De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - What Didn’t We Talk About??

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast. Deinfluenced. We have nothing to talk about today. No, we do. We probably do, but we don't have a plan. But we never have a plan. Honestly, even if we had a plan, we never actually go by the script.

But sometimes these end up being the silliest, funniest, best episodes. No pressure. Yeah, tell me you got any jokes? No, but I can talk about the Odyssey. Jordan really wants to talk about the Odyssey. I really want to talk about the odds. And that's what's kind of fun about our relationship is I feel like we always have something that we're both deep diving into.

When did that happen? Honestly, I think it's like probably after like the third kid. I think we just knew like if we really want to do this thing called life or this like thing called marriage, we're going to have to find some commonalities outside of just having babies. And at a certain point, you know, six years in it's like you already know all the stories, you know. You already knew everything about me. I already know everything about you. Like we both tell the same stories. So there's really nothing new to like learn about each other.

Also life kind of slows down. So it's not like. It's not like we're doing a lot of stuff. Yeah. Every day is kind of the same. Yeah. Like before we were first married like you're traveling. So you always have something new to talk about. And then at a certain point you look at each other. And you're like, I don't really know what I've seen those like TikToks where it's like wife comes home from like a girl's night and like the the husband's like on this like ready to hear all the everything but we don't even have that anymore yeah really have any like drama no I know I'm like well I mean like yeah like you bring some drama in the door from the internet but but not really like real life drama yeah so I feel like we both just decided that it's we're gonna have to either

have a hobby or like keep learning some stuff I think someone almost got a crash outside yeah It's okay. We're in a new studio. Jordan's still not used to it. Yeah, still not used to it. Very dangerous. Yeah, so I feel like we're always deep diving right now. Jordan is deep. And then what's so fun about our deep dives is like Jordan will just like obsess about something. And then like will tell me about it and I'll decide if I want a deep dive with him. Like you had a couple like I was like on the front like.

Which ones? I feel like you followed me into the dark and all. No, the book about the federal reserve. I was like, I'm not going there. Yeah, it was like, huge mess. I did the unseen realm. I followed him into that halfway. Halfway. I'm still working on it.

And then he got into Greek mythology and I was like, eh, not super interested. Actually, no, I'm sorry, you got into the Roman Empire first. Yeah. Then you got into Greek mythology. And then the Odyssey came out and I was like, okay, like he said it's a really good movie. I should deep dive. So I've been actually, I wouldn't say I'm reading the Iliad or the Odyssey, but I am like, kind of spark noting it as a millennial would say.

The other fun thing about you following me into the dark is you kind of co-opt a lot of my talking points. Yeah. Like you shared, I noticed that you allowed for me to share you, share with your audience the Kindle hack and then you refilmed it yesterday. Yeah, because. It's because I didn't think you were going to like your posture. Oh, was I doing Grinch, Belly?

Yeah. And I just, you know, I just care a lot. And I was just trying to save you from. Was it really? Yeah. Okay. I really did. I did really rewatch it. And then I also thought, you know, if I'm going to refill it, I might as well just take the credit. Yeah. Grinch belly is like for some reason I have this like one way of sitting where it's just it's just the way that our bodies are sometimes. No, no. It's just it's just when I said a certain way. It's just when I sit a certain way that there's, you know, if you've seen Jim Carrey. he has the grinchy he has the belly. Jordan showed me like one of the most like I still don't really know

how I feel about it and I've like replayed it I keep like envisioning it and I still don't know I didn't know how to react but like your reaction was weird. Jordan showed me like a shirtless selfie of himself last night and I was like like is this sweet

or is this like it? Or am I like is it endearing? Like and I was like I don't know how to like interpret No, it was only for me and you. And it was because it was only because two months ago, I started a cut, which means that I started eating way less calories. And then I was trying to figure out the before and after because it gets really confusing to know is like, is this working or not? I know. But like for some reason, I was like feeling a little secondhand embarrassment for you. But then I was like, do I need to take a shirtless selfie? Wait. Yeah. You acted like I should be embarrassed. But I was actually. so proud of my progress, which is so crazy. That's actually one of the reasons I fell in love with Jordan in the first place is like, so my dad and I used to call him sport coat. Yeah. Because Jordan when I met him was like probably 40 pounds heavier, wouldn't you say? Yeah, probably. And the funniest thing is that

like I always thought he was like so cute. But like we look back at pictures and I'm like, whoa, like you were like a little chubby. But like, you know, I don't know. I like a little meat on the bones. You know what I mean? And in my head in those moments. But y'all, Jordan, when I met him, like, thought he was Brad Pitt. Like, he literally was the most confident person in the world. Like, yeah. And he worked from home and he was the chief marketing officer of his, like, his confidence was out of this world. And every day he worked from home, he would get up, get dressed, eight o'clock, he had a sport coat on, like an actual blazer. He would dress for success. He would dress for success, but he would just work from his kitchen.

And I always thought that was like so cute. And like so, but my dad would always be like, where is he going? And so every time he would come around, he had like a jacket on. And so my dad and I would call him sport coat. Yeah. No. So, okay, I need to talk to you about this trait and myself because I actually, we're meeting a lot of new people here. Yeah.

And there's something that has existed in the back of my mind where I'm like, I'm like, I think what I'm talking. about is cool. And I think people are engaged and interested, but I do know this quality about myself that it's like, it's a little bit delulu. Like, I can think that I am Brad Pitt, but I'm actually 40 pounds, probably overweight. And in the first, the first, the first, but the first, no, that's what I want to know is the first selfies that I, took, you know, three months ago or two months ago, in those pictures, I was like, I'm ripped. Like, I'm jacked. And you were the one who you were like, and I always come to you and I ask you. I'm like, hey.

First of all, he asks me on a daily basis, pay, he takes his shirt off. He's like, what do you think? Do you see a difference? He's like, and then he always does this in his belly. He rubs and he's like, I think I'm leaning out. And he like does the side thing. And I'm like, and he literally will eat healthy for 24 hours. So like 24 hours later, he's like, babe, I always eat healthy. No, I know, but you ask me 24 hours later. You're like, you're like, is it different? Yes. I'm like, babe, it's been 24 hours. Like, I bet you was like, I think I, I think I'm skinnier. And I'm always like, yeah. Yeah. But when I took those pictures, I was like, oh, I'm in great shape. But then I just looked at the ones that that I showed you last night from, you know, last night. Yeah. And it was very clear that I needed to lean out a little bit.

So this, we don't need to talk about my body. We just need to talk about the Dululu trait of me because it actually kind of scares me in life because sometimes like especially meeting all these new people, my deepest fear is I'm like, that person loves me. We had a great conversation and like what if they're getting in the car and they're like, that guy's a psychopath. But you know what? I would be totally oblivious to it.

But we, babe, we all have those thoughts. About me? About ourselves. Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, I'm sorry. We all have those thoughts about ourselves. I was like, I'm like, I was so funny and great and thoughtful.

And then it's like, sometimes people just don't like me. I'm not trying to bless me. Most of the time, you're right, okay, about your good moments. And the reason you're right about your good moments is because typically you're pretty hard on yourself and your bad moments. So you have like a pretty good honest calibration of yourself. What was a bad moment? Just usually you're like, oh man, like I don't, I don't think I did well there. Like I could have done better.

Like your heart, your heart on yourself. Yeah, I was like tired. Whereas my mentality is so like. Like I killed every time. Naively optimistic probably. And so this delusional trait you're talking about. No, I don't think, okay, let me just stop you right there. I don't think that you're delusional.

in any other way, except for sometimes your body confidence. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. And I think that, and here's the thing, I think you look great. I think you looked great in the photo before and the photo after. But it's just like the fact that you were like flexing in the fear, it just gets me. Well, you're supposed to do that. I know.

And, but babe, like you do you. Like, you look so great. Like just keep on going and like, send me all the shirtless selfies. Okay. Yeah, they're just for you and I, truly. It's in a password-protected folder. Yeah. You know the password.

Yeah. It's the password to everything. Yeah. So, but just parking on this a little bit because there have been several times bachelor parties here in Nashville where, you know, like when I'm talking about what I'm learning with the unseen realm. Okay. You know how I get.

I can go off on a tangent. And the room is captivated. And this is one of the greatest things about you is Jordan knows a little bit about everything. And he's always learning new things. So no, you're not delusional in that way. And I really don't think we need to talk about this anymore. Okay, but you called it, you called it, what did you call it? Enduring delusion.

I think it's endearing. I think everybody likes a little, a little delulu. It's like innocence. All right. So don't tweak anything about my social habits. No, your social habits and you're always so, you always know so many interesting facts and you're really good with names. He'll always be like, well, there's this guy, Richard Miles, who blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I literally sometimes forget my best friend's name.

It's horrible. And like, honestly, I always get my kid's name switched up. Yeah. Do you remember? Did we talk about this last week? What? When we went to that person's house and they asked what Stratton's middle name was or Summit's middle name was. Oh, no, you didn't.

Y'all, we went to a dinner, like probably like the third night that we were here. And the sweet family hosted us, they're the ones that had seven kids. And they asked me like, oh, yeah, like, what's Summit's middle name? and I go, Sumitly. And I, y'all, I could not remember Summits. I made it up.

I literally made it up. You know, the biggest mistake I made in that moment was I corrected her. And then she corrected me. And I was like, he's like, babe,

that's not his middle name. I'm like, can you just go with the flow for a second? Yeah. Yeah, so I have a horrible memory. Dorton has a great memory. I can't remember our kids birthdays. That's the best thing about me is like,

I forget. So like every, in every interesting fact is like new to me. Everything I learn. like wow, I'm learning it all over again every time. Yeah. Like Dory. That's why I love history because I'm like, wow, this is so fascinating.

Like, you know, I'm like, World War II is about this? Yeah. And I relearn it every three months. Most of what, most of the paths that we have been going down together, which is such a great thing that we've found together, is history. Yeah. And it's so great because we'll never learn all of it. And I'll always forget it.

And it's always kind of debatable, right? You got this one perspective on this event. History is like actually, it is so complicated. When people say it's like not complicated, it is. No, for sure. And then like the way, you know, people going through events, the way it's kind of like, okay, it ends up in textbooks. And then there's some like authors or, you know, intellectuals that write this angle.

It's just really, it's really hard to understand, which kind of makes me question the way that we're taught history, you know, it's like when we went through public school, it's like taught this very kind of mainstream, like here's very lacking nuance. And it's not that interesting if you learn it that way. What's interesting about it is all the different perspective on events. I think you appreciate history as you get older because you start to picture yourself there. And like, I'm like, oh my gosh, what if I was a pioneer woman with my husband? And he's, He had to leave us every day to go hunting. What would I do with my three small children that are all girls?

Yeah, we've been watching Little House on the floor. Yeah, I like, I can't. It's really put Danny in the scene. I'm like, oh my gosh, do I need to start wearing long dresses? I'm like, that's why they didn't get mosquito bites. But anyway, enough about history. I want to know more about you. One last thing.

I do think this should be shared. So the Kindle hack is that if you buy a Kindle book, you can use an app called text muncher. to basically get the EPUB file. So like Danny didn't want to read the Odyssey, which I wouldn't recommend you read the whole thing. It's like kind of a complicated. I tried.

It was just a little too much. And so I was like, hey, take this and then upload it to chat GPT and then ask it to summarize like each chapter for you so that when you go watch the movie, it's awesome. Yeah, I had already told chat to BT just like summarize each.

I know, but it's totally different because when you actually have, and I think people are going to get mad about this, but like when you actually have the, transcript, it's like you can actually live in the story in a better way. Well, also, there's different, like, authors of different, like, versions of the Ilya. Oh, yeah. That's so true.

So there's multiple translators. So, um, what's the really? The popular one is like Emily Watson. No, the guy who just made the movie. Oh, Christopher Nolan. Yeah, Christopher Nolan, like used a specific, like. Which one did he use, you know? It's, I think it's, uh, it's certainly than S.

Maybe Sophia something. See, I can't remember nothing. Yeah. They're all the same story. It's just like translating from the Greek is really hard. And so I think her name's Emily Watson. That's the one I read is the most like approachable. And then some are just more like wordy and cinematic and epic.

And then, you know, others are. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Should we talk about the Odyssey or do you not want to do? The 2017 translation by Emily Wilson. Wilson. Oh, okay. I see.

I can't remember. Oh, that's what he used, Christopher Nolan. Okay, that's the most approachable one. I'm surprised to use that one, to be honest. Yeah, I mean, tell us about that experience. Father's Day is coming up, and I feel like dads are some of the hardest people to shop for because most of us just say, I'm good, I don't need anything, which usually means everyone else is left trying to figure out what we actually want.

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like wrote like a disc piece on it. Dude, that's so crazy. What do they even say? What was their, what was their negativity? I didn't read it. I didn't read it. Exactly. Okay, do me a favor.

All right, let me read this. Are you saying what Time Magazine said? Yeah, I want to know what Time Magazine said. They said something about how it's just, um, I don't know. So, okay, so one of the seven kids, so all these kids are homeschooled, so they're very educated. And like they're very well read and they like one of them, I won't say his name on the podcast, but he's my guy I go to. I talked to him, the unseen realm with him and all this and you'll, you'll die laughing.

They're all very strong believers. And I text them and I said, hey, did you watch the Odyssey? And he said, he said, Exodus 2313 caused. a lot of Jews and early Christians to have interesting debates on reading Greek mythology, which has been in the back of my mind and I have not researched it. And I was like, that's such an interesting take. So then I read Exodus 2313, which I actually don't know what that says. I can get it. Oh, it says, Exodus 2013 commands that Israelites to be careful to follow all of God's instruction forbids them from invoking or mentioning the name of other gods, which he's probably

right about the history of the church back then, like entertaining, you know, Greek mythology. But then he goes on. He's protecting his conscience. No, he's protecting his conscience. But then I dragged him in and I was like, listen, just chill, dude. You're the bad advice. I was like, just calm down. But, um, okay. So my, I won't get too much into the Odyssey, although I think people actually care. You have to go into it like with some knowledge of the backstory of the Trojan War, like who is Achilles, like some understanding of Greek mythology and the gods. Just watch Troy with Brad Pitt. Yeah, but when I do think you should also watch Troy with Brad Pitt because it will put on a scale like that is here so much lower on the totem pole.

And then you watch the Odyssey and that it will also make you appreciate what a masterpiece it is. But I saw the Odyssey with seven guys. Half the group had. read and were familiar with Greek mythology and knew what they were like going into, half didn't. And so when a cyclop shows up and they're like, oh, I thought I'm just watching the board ultimatum back in like ancient Greece. And then a cyclot shows up, they're like, this movie's super weird. So it's really hard to understand it if you don't know what's coming. But for all the guys that had read it, we were on the edge of our seats because we were like, how is he going to pull off this story or this book or like this witch changing the soldiers into like swine or pigs,

you know? Right. And because I had read it the week before and had not really that much understanding of Greek mythology, I was seriously like, this is going to be cheesy. I didn't think he was going to pull it off. I thought the reviews were bought and I was like, this is all just like overhyped because it would be impossible to not make this cheesy. And like, I I walked out with like chills. Wow. Straight up and down my arms. And it's three hours long.

It's three hours long. Did you ever feel like I need an intermission? I did. I peed, but I knew what was coming. I was like, this is a down scene. And then I wouldn't pee. Okay. So like my recommendation is you buy the Iliad.

You buy the Odyssey on Kindle. You use text muncher to rip the files. And then you upload it to chat. Chachapit, give it a summary of like the entire thematic history of the time, ask questions. You can do the voice feature on Chachapit. You're like, you talk to a professor. You're like, hey, so like, tell me about this. Or why did Athena not or why did Athena love Odysseus, you know, and not Achilles?

You know, and you ask all those questions. Then you go and then you watch. For his clever and wit. Yes, very good. And then you watch Troy. And then you go watch the Odyssey. And I guarantee you, you'll be like, wow. I so appreciate what he did.

How was the acting? How was in Sindea? So here's my only, okay, here's my criticisms of the Odyssey. And they're pretty simple. One is at times they use modern language. So like I think that they're, they have a lot of like, you know, like you know, like you watch Lord of the Rings. It's kind of they're talking in this like feels like an ancient type of dialect.

They do that. But then they mix in like. modern language. Like it would be like the equivalent of them seeing a witch and being like, oh my gosh, what are you doing here? Yeah. And it kind of throws off the vibe. They're like slay witch. And it's honestly I don't want to like slam him, but it's one actor that I feel like kind of was the weak link. Oh, tell us who it is. Um, I don't know who it is, but it's like Odysseus, Odysseus is right hand. Okay. I think he's like an Indian guy. Um, but he's, I think like the weaker actor that kind of brought down. He's a pretty central role. But I just thought he was kind of a weak.

weekling. Second thing I would say is Travis Scott was awesome but he had such a small part. So like the movie literally, and I'm not ruining anything, literally opened. You're not ruin anything. It's like 3,000 year old Greek mythology. No, no, I'm not

ruining anything about Travis Scott's character but he has such a small part but like he is such a cool presence that I wish that he would have played a larger role in the movie. And then third is is, so if you watch Troy with Brad Pitt, they have Odysseus in that movie,

but they don't really focus on like Odysseus's wit or anything like it's all about Achilles and Troy. I wish that they would have had one moment that like Achilles appeared in a flashback during the Trojan War. And like there was one interaction, but they don't mention Achilles at all. Hmm. The rest was awesome. The rest was like incredible. And the crazy. part about it too is they didn't use any CGI.

Really? I didn't know that. So there's a, everything is like, is real. Everything is real. So like even the, is he against CGI? Um, I think he just didn't want it to feel like he wanted to feel as real as possible. Then how do you do the, the pigs? The pigs or the cyclops. Yeah. Well, the, the, you'll, you'll see it. But like when he, when she transforms the, the, the men into pigs, it's kind of camera tricks. Okay. Um, And then you can tell that it's like, you know, the real masks and makeup and stuff like that. There's a part with giants.

That's all like just really tall people. And he in the book, they're actually not armored like in like Knights armor. But he put them in Knights armor so that he could do the camera trick and like make them look taller. So it's all just kind of like filming up to make them seem bigger. And then this, I didn't know this, but someone next to me told me, the Cyclops is a puppet. Oh. But, you know, he was trying to make everything so real.

It was apparently one of the hardest shoots that any of the actors or team had ever done. Yeah, Matt Damon said it was the hardest movie he's ever done. Because, like, for example, they shot in Ithaca. I think it was shot in Spain. And because he wanted the soldiers to like look sweaty and kind of like ripped in the shots, he made them hike up there. and then they hiked with the giant iMacs camera up these mountains like every single day and you know he just wanted everything to be real so the ships were real he did this in um

interstellar you remember the scene where they drive through the cornfields yes in the truck not a huge scene but he grew all of that corn literally just to do the scene the way he wanted to mean what's up this guy he's just he doesn't even have a cell phone he doesn't have a cell phone? He's kind of flip phone. What? Doesn't do email. Why? Just like he wants to preserve the genius? Yeah. He just can. He just seems like a, I think he's British. Those British people.

Yeah, a little hoity-toity, you know, artistic dude. But yeah. Okay, I'm excited. We have to go see it. We have to go see it. I don't know who I need to get like a second wave of people. Like I'm basically telling everyone now to go read it. That's the best thing about moving to a new city is like you're just working. We're constantly finding, like, excuses to invite people of stuff. Yeah.

I think that's very particular to this city, though. Everyone is very social. Yeah, so social. And everyone knows each other. Calm down. I got invited to go ride go carts. Like, what? I'm telling you, it's kind of giving Mormon.

It's given Mormon vibes here. Like, Mormons would ride go carts. They're so fun. No, it's... They're the fun of people. It's given Mormon vibes here. But I love it. I love it, too.

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I think her newborn was three months and minus five months. I've never met another person with that age gap before. So I already met my new best friend. No. She doesn't know. I mean, the thing is, like, how are we going to hang out? That's so true. It's like, what are you going to do?

Like, I love you. We'll be best friends, but like, we're both just, we can't. You can open up a daycare. We could. Just for, you imagine, like, we get together and we have just, just us, like, hanging out with eight kids. Like, that's crazy. I mean, why do you think families have such, I mean, yeah, why do families here in Nashville

have such big families? Why don't they have so many kids? I think it's cultural. Pronatalism. Yeah, Danny, listen to a podcast on that today. It's very interesting. It's actually not religious. It's just trying to prevent, well, it's not secular.

Yeah, they're just trying to prevent population decline and preserving like different types of communities. I'm going to be honest. I don't understand why everything crumbles with the birth rate declining. I don't understand the argument. Let's ask our producer. One moment. I mean, I'm sure it has a lot of effects on, okay, so, well, and then what also like is AI going to kind of counteract that? counteract that? I know. Or does that actually like is, is AI going to eventually just like also

decrease like population because there's not as many jobs? I kind of agree. That's like if if everything is automated or more things are automated and robots are doing not all manual labor, probably not like trade work, but like a lot of the manual labor, wouldn't that be an argument for population decline because there's there's just not enough work right there's not as much work but then what the what the pro-a-i people say is that now you have more time to have kids is that the whole paradigm of trading time for money is going to shift and change because you can't really like do that anymore because everything is essentially automated especially with like white collar work so then it's so that's where they talk about like universal basic income well because here's another thing

So if AI is taking more jobs, then what about like taxes? Is that going to change taxes? Like the government won't be able to tax like get as much money from us because. Well, you'll have to read that book about the Federal Reserve. It'll never happen. What? I don't think they'll ever, they'll ever take away our taxes. Okay.

It's just too much of a self-licking ice cream cone. Right. but if there's not as many people working, then there's not much money to tell. They're going to tax the heck out of the huge companies that make billions of dollars on AI. They'll tax some people. Maybe it goes from like the individual level to the corporate level.

Okay. But I mean. So I was reading about or no, I'm sorry I wasn't read about it. I was listening to Aaron Brockovich. She went on Sean Ryan and then went on Theo Von. She's like really doing like. Julia Robbers?

Yeah, the Julia Robbers. Yeah, the real one. She's very against. data centers being built. One thing is if you listen to the podcast and you're like, why and like give me some facts, she's not, she doesn't really explain why very well. She was just like, I mean, it uses a lot of water, which is not good. I wish there was another way to cool these big facilities.

Yeah. But besides that, it was just kind of hard, hard to follow. But then it was like a lot of cities are incentivizing data centers being built like in their city. Like they want, they like don't tax data centers as much. Like, why is that? Well, just to be cynical for a second, I don't know Aaron Brockovich loved the movie, but didn't she, isn't the whole concept of the movie that she basically found that there was like leakage or spillover from a plant into the water supply of a community and they were all getting

cancer? Yes. Okay. So like. Frogs had two heads. Frogs had two heads. So she was the one who discovered that and she was like a paralegal and like they took on big business to to fight that, right? Well, she wasn't, but her company that she was working for. Yeah, but in the movie, like her role, like she was the one who was like spearheading it.

Yes, she was. So if I'm Aaron Brockovich, I know water. Right. And I know. Oh, okay. Yeah. She knows water. And she knows water. And she's like, I know what contaminating water can do. and well it's not contaminating water yeah it is I guess contaminating water but it's also just like

the taking water the millions of gallons used sometimes like on a daily basis yeah taking water yeah so it's been a minute

since she's had like a big win if I were her I'm coming back yeah maybe she's like I'm coming for these lands well I thought it was interesting

that she went like on Sean Ryan and then immediately on Theovon but I think that there's like yeah there's it's it's a concern it's concern

yeah no it's concern I don't really know much about it I mean, the only thing I know that freaks me out when it comes to water is, do you remember that movie The Big Short? Yeah. Okay. So the real guy behind that's name was Michael Burry. One of the guys who shorted.

Like, how did you remember that? So, so Michael Burry was like one of the guys who basically shorted the housing market and like created, like went to banks and was like, they were like, no one's ever shorted the housing market. And he's like, I want you to create me a product that I can short the housing market. And he was right. And at the end of the movie, they say, you know, Michael Burry of Cyan Capital or whatever spends all of his time shorting one new asset, which is water. So basically, he's basically saying we're going to run out of water. There's going to be a water scarcity crisis. That's always freaked me out. He's been wrong, I think, a lot since his big win with the housing market. Yeah. Like I think a lot of people actually laugh at him because of how wrong he is

about certain other things. Right. But that freaks me out about water scarcity. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe Aaron's right. What was her point? What were her points?

That's the thing is there's not really like a, I guess her thing is that we need to find another way to cool these big places. Because don't know a lot of cities kind of like the infrastructure kind of needs like AI to keep up and like compete? Basically like what we're told. which who knows if it's true or not, is there's an AI race between countries. It's like the space race.

Yeah, I mean, I believe that. Okay, so like if China cracks AI faster than we do, then they're going to be more advanced than we are. That's like the more global view of it. So in order to power AI, we don't have an issue with like the actual like code and the intelligence

because I feel like the models are all kind of like roughly the same. In fact, China just came out with, I think it's called Kimmy. And it was like, so the leading model right now is Anthropics Claude. And Kimi is open sourced in China and it beat our models. So Anthropics is not open source? No, it's closed. And so their whole valuation is built on them having the best model. And then China's like, hey, like here's an open source version. So. Wait, is open source though? Wouldn't that make a little bias? No, open source means it's like kind of like built like the whole community can improve it. I know. So wouldn't it be like biased in some ways? No, I think people would say that

Anthropics is probably more biased because it's closed and we don't know like we have no idea what their code is like instructing the models to say or do or whatever. But so the models are all commoditized now. So then the only thing holding back these models is power. and compute, which is data centers. Yeah. So I think I've talked about this in the podcast, but Kevin O'Leary, the Shark Tank guy, he invested in a data center in Utah, and he was going to make a ton of money from it. So like it was going through zoning and all of these, they call them NIMBY's, like

real estate developers have a term called NIMBY's, which is like the not in my backyards people. And it's like, it's like a tale as old as time. Someone told me this was in the fox and the hound. but I never watched that movie. But it's like developer versus like the townspeople, right? Big bad developer. So developers call the townspeople Nimbies.

The townspeople called developers like Big Bad Wolf. So Nimbies are basically like the ones that go into these city council meetings and just stir is up and like block things and like block the zoning. And Kevin O'Leary like did a bunch of research. And I don't know if this is like just really good. PR on his end, but he traced a bunch of the IP addresses on like Twitter and like these like opposition forums. And they all went to like foreign governments. And so his big stance was listen. They're trying to slow us down in the AI race. Yeah. Is that like literally like it's a very coordinated nonprofit NGO attack to slow down data centers going into the US so that we fall behind

on the great race. this is kind of crazy but if you're going to attack it it's the way to attack it for sure so I don't really know but the only thing that made me believe that that was true

was when Olivia was on the podcast and she was like I said no to the data center and I go oh that's so interesting because they were going to build it next to the Nashville the zoo right which is fine I would oppose that too but I was like really because like Olivia's not like civically active from my understanding and she was like

She's had a baby, so she's a little busy. And I was like, really, like, why did you get involved in that? And she goes, well, it's hurting the animals hearing. And I go, what do you mean? And she was like, I saw this thing on Facebook. And it was like this huge campaign that if you don't block the data center in Nashville, then all of these animals are going to go deaf. And I was like, that's so interesting to me because.

It's like, do you think that was a campaign from China? My personal opinion is I think that they tried to scare people with like water scarcity. And people were like, whatever. whatever, I'll just buy Ozarka. And then once they were like, listen, you're going to hurt the animals. They found an angle that worked. And the strategy just like took off. And so now it's like, I don't know if the Nashville one's going to happen, but it was hugely opposed.

I found Joel's answer. Do you want your answer to your question? Yeah. Why does Time magazine not like the Odyssey? Oh, no, no. Well, that was like a, their review is so long. I'm trying to find a more condensed version of the Time magazine thing because they're just really rambling about it.

Yeah. I was trying to find something concise. couldn't. But the data center motivating data centers to come here is just an economy thing. Because I think Google and big tech companies will follow the data centers. So it's just

the city trying to make more money. And it also gives more jobs in terms of construction. It is more jobs. Yeah, it's more jobs. But in the long run it could take more jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the the Trojan horse. The birth rate thing is because for us is because of the boomers

because there's way too many of them and not enough of us. So, like, us pouring into Social Security. Like, it was like a piggy bank. It explained it. So they put all their stuff in the piggy bank and then there's just so many of them now collecting on it.

It's like a seesaw. They're like, there's way too many people on the old side and not enough people on the young side. So everything just crashes. Yeah. I've always just been told to never, like our generation

to never depend on Social Security. Right. But that's like what our parents all, like, live for. No, for sure. It like won't be left. There won't be any. anything left. So don't plan on it. So what was I going to say? Oh, and the reason they have, the reason they have to do it so central to cities is because that's where the fiber cables are.

Oh, that's why. So it's hard because you, you can't just like go to like West Texas and build these data centers. I always wondered that because it has to be connected to like the fiber optic cables and they don't run out there. So it would be it would cost a fortune to run the cables out there. So that's why these data centers have to be like in the cities. They hurt the infrastructure of the city. The city is like not used to like needing to power something like that. And so it is it is very cumbersome to put these in place. Yeah.

Because of where they have to go. And they're loud. Allegedly. I don't know. Are they? I've heard they're loud. I think they're bright. Right.

Yes. Like I think that in Utah what they were worried is like. Blinding the animals. I think that it was like it was going to hurt like the the light pollution is what they call it. What? Oh my gosh. That's why Utah people I think were upset because they were like, we look up and we see the stars. Oh, and then they're not going to be able to see stars.

Yeah. Just like New Yorkers like you can't look up and see the stars because the light pollution. Wow. I know. This is so complicated. I know. I know. Honestly.

What it's telling me is it's just another checkmark of like why people are going to move further and further out of cities. Well, I was going to say, I think the reason why people have bigger families here is like I almost feel like to have a big family. Like you kind of have to be away from everything. You really do. It's the only way that that it works. Like that's why I think where we lived in Dallas people had two kids. Like everyone had two kids. If you had three kids, it was like, whoa, you got your hands full.

And here it's like, if you have three kids, they're like, wins a fourth. And I feel like it's because, I mean, there is more space here. It's also, I will say, a little bit more peaceful. You know, it's beautiful. Like you can kind of relax and smell the grass and the flowers. And I feel like, but people, even whenever we talk to anyone that like lives in Nashville, like everyone's planning on even moving like further out. Yeah. And so.

And I think it was there's like one country. It's either Romania or Hungary. I can't remember. but their birth rate is actually on the incline. I think it's like Norway. Maybe. But the article I read was either Romania or Hungary. And this article was talking about what they believe is the number one reason is that it comes down to like the way that the mothers are honored and respected.

And one of the things that like it's almost like the narrative around. Correct. Like right now, I think in Western culture, it's like you and you don't let me trip up here. But I think women are expected to now work. But also. My whole like childhood, it was like it was all about Danny. Like when you grew up, you can be whatever you want to be. Like you don't like it was never about like being a mom. It was like you can go be a doctor, a lawyer, all these things. And then like reality hits you. And you're like, but how much? I going to be that and support myself and live in the city and have kids. No, for sure. And not get hate about having a nanny 24-7. Like it's like, wait, this doesn't really add up like how I was being encouraged. It doesn't really make sense. And then it's also like if I wanted to go be a doctor, by the time I could have kids, I might struggle to have kids because it takes, it took me so long to get my education and to get everything I need. Like it just doesn't make sense. Yeah. Well,

so like I feel like we got married in the girl boss era. Totally. Which I was, hey, loved you, married you. It was amazing. But in that era, I feel like it, this is what I now look back and feel like is really unfair to like women is that in that era, it was like that was like that was esteemed and like put on a pedestal is like being a career woman and like building a business and being like an entrepreneur like the poppy founder.

But then at the same time, no one was like, oh, and by the way, like you can give up. all of these other responsibilities that were more traditional of like, here's kind of what your role in responsibility looks like with your children. And like here's what your role in responsibility looks like in the home. So then it kind of just felt like this giant weight was more put on to women. I will say. Yeah. And I will say something interesting about moving here is I feel a little like insecure sometimes in like my role as a female here because I feel like no one values me for my job here or my work. Like and I feel like when I compare myself to other moms here, they're like so much more like hospitable or they're like cook all the time or they have like these

traditions with their families or they're just like better moms than me to be honest. And they have like more experience being a better mom and like providing for the community or like and they don't work at all. And then I come in. I'm like I feel like I'm so far behind. Like I feel like I've, I, when I first started having kids, like, valued, like, growing in my career way more than those things. And now I'm like, I don't know how to make a roast. Like, I don't know how to, like, most people. Like, I don't know any of these things because I valued something different. And now, like, what is valued here in Nashville, I feel like I don't have that.

And I'm like, do I need to take cooking classes? That's only certain suburbs, by the way. It's not, that's not true of Nashville in general. I think Nashville in general is like a big female entrepreneurship town. Maybe it's like the outskirts of national. Maybe the suburbs of Nashville. Sorry. When I say Nashville, like, we're not really hanging out in like the city.

Like right now, like I'm, we're, we're going to be moving to like a suburb of it. I'm just saying you have value here. No, I know. I know. I know. And I don't mean it as like a bad thing or a good. Like, it's just kind of like sometimes I find myself feeling a little insecure in these situations where I'm like, you made this whole meal for all these people. I was like, that sounds so much harder to me than like starting a couple.

company. Like I like moms that like can cook and provide and do I'm like I feel silly because I don't know how to do any of that. I don't think you're alone by the way because like I think that the males like it's like the equivalent of what you're feeling is like the fathers here are like hey I just got back from a fishing trip and we have young boys but like they're like hey I just took my three boys on a fishing trip to Alaska or like hey we just went on a hunt together and even like the fathers are. are, it's just culturally different, right? Like great mothers and fathers where we came from, great mothers and fathers everywhere.

But like my whole point with like the hungry thing is like, I think that that women here are honored for like their motherhood, which is like what they should always be honored for. And in a perfect world, it can all be done. Right. Like you can be everything. but I think that a big part of like our humanity that we've realized over the past two years, like both of us.

Yeah. Is that like we can't do everything. Like we can't. Yeah. Like we can't. Or there's different seasons for different goals. Right. Like we can't be on planes and building these like crazy big businesses and be present with like four kids.

And that's a lie. I feel like we were fed for so long though. And I truly was like, yes I can. And like if anyone's going to do it, I'm going to. Yeah. You know. And. And.

And I think it works pre Stella turning three. I was going to say, I was going to say it works up until your kids like start to really notice. And they like really need a consistent presence in their life. And that's kind of what changed everything for me. I think that's why even like considered moving kind of like starting fresh again. That doesn't mean I don't have help. Like I still need a nanny to watch my newborn whenever I am podcasting right now. Like of course, like we didn't just leave our kids at home, you know, by themselves.

And so, yeah, I mean, like you said, in a perfect world, we would be able to do it all. But it's just now as I've gotten older and I think too, I have peace in like feeling like I did achieve a lot of the goals that I wanted to achieve like as an independent like independent person, like as Danny. So now I feel like I can step into like kind of slowing down and being that role, that person, that mother that's honored here, whatever. But it's sometimes hard to like let go of the goal. the goals and the dreams.

Like and I think it's probably, that's probably true for every mom, you know? It's like it's just constantly trying to like, you're on this like pendulum swinging back and forth and you're like, wait, but like I want to start a business. I want to do this.

But wait, I want to be with my kids. I feel guilty. Like it's just, I bet it's very common. Yeah. I, you know,

kind of like what producer was saying. I also don't want you to feel that shame here because, I didn't mean it as a negative thing. I don't feel shame. Almost like, yeah, sorry, maybe it's more.

Insecure, insecure. Insecure and or like maybe just even super positive, like inspired by like some of these. I am inspired by them. I think it's incredible. And that's what I've appreciated like just flipping it as a positive. Like I think that the culture that we're now surrounded with is so inspiring of like how you do raise like bigger families, how you do raise like good kids like that no Jesus. like the modeling that we're able to just kind of like look and perceive is going to like make me a

better dad and make you a better mom. It challenges us in like a healthy way. And a totally different way. And I mean, I think that when you and I just like talk about our last three weeks of moving here, that's probably what I'm like most, I feel like God has been so faithful in like showing us. Because I think if we wouldn't have had this like these examples around us, it would have been harder for us to figure this out on our own. Right. And because it's a culture, the craziest part about the culture is like with the mothers and the fathers and raising families being so esteemed, it does make you be like, should we have more kids? No, I'm like sick in the head. Like I want another child. No, I feel that. And I'm like, I'm actually like mentally ill. And it's because like I,

it's psychotic. It's psychotic. Like I'm drowning like Smith was up at 2.30 last night. And like, And I made Jordan get up into the bottle. Like I'm like, and then we get like five or six hours of sleep. I'm, I am like sickly every morning. Like when I wake up, I feel like I'm going to throw up because I'm so tired. And then we're like, should we have another one? No, because like at the same time, like, I literally was so tired this morning. I went to that Bible study and I just sat by myself and got a taco.

People like, why aren't you like hanging out? You're like, because I have four kids. I can't. No, I just sat in A Taka and I was like, man, I feel like I have no, like I have no margin right now. And I was like, is it, and I was thinking to myself, I was like, is it because of the move? Is it because we have four kids? Is it because Smith's not sleeping through night? Probably all of the above.

But at the same time, I think that like there's been times where you and I look to each other and we're like, we're kind of the happiest we've ever been. No, for sure. Like the most satisfied, like because in that kind of like the trenches, as people say about our lives with this, these. young kids, like I feel like you and I have both provided for each other and partnered for each with each other in a way that we never had to. It's survival mode literally. Yeah, but it makes, I know that you feel more loved by me and vice versa. Yeah, because we're roughing it out there. I'm like, you go cut those cardboard boxes down, babe. We're not hiring a service to do it. I'm like, I want to see you out there with that cutting knife. What do you call it? A little razor blade.

Yeah, the zippo thing. It's like me watching like Michael Land. ended on like house on the prairie and like that's my man yeah the biggest thing so you know i think think that where we sit today is there's been like multiple times these past like three weeks where like we've stopped and paused and been like hey like i feel like we're bringing too much of Dallas here and i still think we're trying to figure out it's old habits it's not Dallas it's like old habits from where we lived in Dallas whether it be like too much help in this area like not enough help here. And it's like it's we're still trying to calibrate like how much of our old habits and old lives do die and not come here. Yeah. And I feel like that's routines. Yeah. Routines.

And that's kind of like what's probably the hardest on me right now is because here's the thing, Jordan is a fixer. And he does not like to see me uncomfortable. Right. No, I don't know. I just no. And so like when you have a newborn and like a lot of children, like there's a lot of really uncomfortable moments. And I what it's almost like whenever you're working out. It's like there are times with your kids where like you're so exhausted. You're so sleep deprived. One's screaming on the ground. One's doing this. And it's like in it, you're just like I'm going to lose my mind. But then, you know, an hour later when everything is calm, you're like, wow, I feel like that was a good teachable lesson. I feel like that was a good moment with my kids. I feel like I influenced them in

the right way. It was hard. But like we all made it through it. And like, you know, we all learned from it. Jordan looks, I look at it like that. Jordan looks at it is like, okay, we have to fix that. We can't ever let that happen again, right? And so you're always like, how can I prevent that from happening? Do we need to have a stricter routine? Do we need to have help in this area? Do we need to put them in the summer camp?

Do we need to like? And for me, I'm like, I just want to live in it and like just figure it out and take it like day by day and take it slow. And Jordan's like a fixer, right? I feel like a lot of guys are. Yeah, no, it's not a bad thing. And Jordan is, if I'm in a bad mood, Jordan's in a bad mood. some would call it codependent yeah that's what I was like that's why I was like thinking because I was like you know yes I don't like I I think I'm a very firm believer in like happy wife happy life and

so it's like sometimes and I don't think this is healthy or fair to myself but like sometimes I'm like oh if Danny's struggling or unhappy like that's like kind of on me to like help resolve See, that's not true. No, it's not true. It's not true and it's not fair. And also, I think that what also happens in those moments is it's not entirely selfless, because I think that that paints me as like a really good person. No, you want me to be good so that you can be happy. Yeah. And it's and it's also, I like also want you to be supported because I know that if you're not like I'll probably step in and then I feel stretch really thin. It's the same thing like when you see someone at the gym struggling to raise the bar over their head. and then you go up and help them.

That's actually not helping them. That's actually like stunting their growth and stenting. And like what's really going to help them is they figure out how to do it on their own. And two weeks later, they're like, oh, I look in the mirror and I'm like, look what I did for myself. And like that's going to actually help them. Yeah. So you're always trying to like lift the bar a little bit for me. Yeah.

True. But we, I mean, I feel like this has been like a huge theme in our marriage like the past like three years. And I feel like what what showed me how far we've come is like you kind of signaled to me yesterday. you were like, hey, like, I'm kind of worried that you're fixing this too much. And I listened and I heard and I was like, okay, I hear you. And it was just really good for us to like communicate through that. Yeah. Because like I'm like, I don't want to lift the bar if you want to lift the bar. Well, I want to live the bar. But just like it's going to be hard in the moment. Like when I'm lifting the bar, I'm not going to be like, oh, this is so fun. Like it's hard. And that's okay. It's okay. It's okay to like let someone struggle for a second. Yeah. It's and like, learn. And like, this is. And like, learn. And like, this is. And like, it's. And like, it's. And like, learn and give them the space to like figure it out because maybe they don't figure out that day and maybe it's not the second day but like I'm a slow learner I'm a slow processor I'm slow everything I don't know what I feel for a week no for sure and and it's like it's kind of like uh I think I called

it something on the podcast one time it's like good husband syndrome like because when we all started having kids like my Dallas friends we all kind of went through the same thing where we were like man we just want to help our wives or we want to fix this or we want to do this and we all kind of at the same time learned that it's actually like a disease on our part because by helping we actually cripple you to be able to learn and be the mother that you want to be on accident. We think we're doing something good. Yeah. But it's actually preventing you from becoming stronger and becoming more confident.

And the biggest states of depression that I think Danny has ever been in is when she feels ill-equipped to to like not ill equipped I feel like my my my my uh purpose has been taken from me purpose has been taking yet you feel isolated because you're like okay now like all of these things that like I want to be struggling through like I can't struggle through because they're fixed you know and I think we've even learned this about like ourselves is that you know people who like make a lot of money and, you know, have all this wealth and can have all these people do everything for them typically end up being the most miserable people because, like, if you don't have friction in your life, you're going to create friction, you know, like, because we're just born and

needs some type of purpose. Sorry, but this is not to say we don't have friction or like. No, no, no, no, we do. I have like 26,000 people that hate me. Yeah, no, we do. But like, I'm kind of talking about the quintessential person of like, you. You know, you, you, you're not able to do anything for yourself anymore. And actually, you, you want to be able to do things for yourself, you know, because that's what brings the joy of like, you know, being able to cook or being able to do this or being able to do this.

Like the messy moments are the most special. Rewarding. And I think that that's what we're feeling right now is like nothing's perfectly figured out. And there's a lot of friction and there's a lot of like super night. Yes. Because a lot of, like, like, you don't like to be uncomfortable. Me? Yeah.

No, I don't. It's okay to be uncomfortable and like not. know what things are going to look like. No, babe. I didn't know what I was going to tell me. And then if something was going to fail, it's okay if it fails. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. True. Speaking of family time, where are we going next week? I want to tell them? Oh, first time ever. We're going to Costa Rica.

I'm a little scared about Costa Rica. It was one of those places that actually kind of been avoiding a little bit. We almost went one time, but then they had a, a large number of cases of people being roofied. Oh, I didn't know that. This was like four years ago. Great. Yeah.

There were a lot of people getting roofied through drinks. Well, I have been avoiding it for a different reason. I don't love bugs and I hear they have a lot of those there. And so much that it's like, so much so that sometimes people say it's like heard to sleep because the bugs are so loud. And I have like a, I really don't like bugs. like at all. So I kind of been avoiding it, but like I knew I needed to go one day and I know that I think it's going to be so fun because it's a very adventurous place. You can like go to the jungle and zip line. There's all these like fun activities for kids. Plus it's beautiful. But I just want to put that out there. Like I will be bringing a lot of books right. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for trying. And not like the like not like the like organic one. Like the nets that you wear over your head. Oh yeah. No. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I should. A B suit. Yeah. Yeah. They might even have those nets that you sleep. I've here. I had one of those in Africa, but they put like a net over your bed so the bucks don't.

We're staying in a nice resort, babe. You're not sleeping in a tent. You never know. You're fine. But that'll be fun. Yeah. I do want to tell you that. The helicopter ride?

No. It's not a helicopter ride anymore. Oh, did you cancel it? Yeah, I could do it. Are you thinking about it? Yeah, I can do it. See, that's the difference between me and you. So Jordan lives like, his enneagram is like fear-based, right?

No, I hate it. It's hard. So it's like he's always. like and then mine is like not and so there was this portion of the trip where we were going to take a helicopter up into the jungle and Jordan was like should we do it and like in my head I'm like yeah like we're not going to like not live our lives you know because the helicopter could crash but then I also didn't want to be like yes let's do it and then the helicopter crash and then feel guilty so I was like I don't know you decide and um he really wasn't making the decision so I finally

was like yeah let's just do it I have not thought about it once. time since. Yeah. At all. And I'm sure that this is something that like keeps you up at night. Well, to be fair, I had an experience you didn't. I almost died on that plane. Okay. Yeah. It's fair. It's fair. Jordan almost Jordan canceled a flight that if he would have taken, crashed. Yes. It was actually really scary. Basically. I was waiting for the plane to come and get me and it crashed. But we're also not taking the bus. We're actually ironically taking a smaller plane. I just didn't want to ride in a helicopter. Does it have two engines?

Yes. Okay, that's great. In two pilots. Yeah, you know, the helicopters are a little sketch. It's like that propeller goes down. Like, I'm not. No, I feel you. I just don't really think about it.

Yeah. That's the nice thing about having like a little bit smaller of a brain. You know, it's just like, I don't really think about so much. It's kind of like, it's fine. No, honestly, I think that one of your superpowers is being fully present in every moment. You know who they also said that had that skill set? Michael Angelo. Very close.

Oh. No, Michael Jordan. Oh. They said that what made Michael Jordan great is that he was always just fully present. And that's very much a characteristic that you have is like. That is so true to the, but it's like hurts me. I'm like the type of girl like, I'm going to go for an hour and like I'll stay till midnight because I am just like so in the moment. Well, no.

And you give the best of yourself. wherever you commit your moments, but it is harder to be a part of Danny's entourage because you just literally have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow. So you better keep your life and your schedule pretty flexible because it'll be awesome. Yeah. But that's probably one of the I'm like the person that's like, okay, I'll stop by for 30 minutes. Like do I have to go and like I'll go and like have the best time of my life like never want to leave? In my mind is like, okay, we just kept our kids out to 11 but they have this tomorrow and this tomorrow. Don't even think about it. Yeah. And I'm like, hey, this is going to be a spiral downward and you're like, what a sad way to live. You know,

it's horrible. It probably is. Horrible. It's always thinking of the next thing. It probably is. But no. Another fun facts. This is a little bit morbid but interesting. Do you remember, do you remember when I proposed to you there you, you, I flew you for you for? from Malibu to downtown LA in a helicopter. Well, fun fact, one of the, the helicopter that you wrote in, the one I was actually gonna get you, but it was just too expensive for me at the time,

was actually Kobe's pilot in Kobe's helicopter. How did you know that? Because I talked to the guy who flew it. Really? Yeah. I don't know if he was the pilot that died or anything, but I don't know. So technically we both had similar situation. Which means that we both should not be flying in helicopters or small planes technically, but I'm not going to take a five-hour bus ride

Yeah, with four kids. So be praying for our plane ride in Costa Rica The other thing I would tell you is that there's no option around this We leave to come home back to Nashville at 2 p.m. from the jungle Oh gosh, I already know what that means we go get back to midnight Oh, which means there's a Maybe delays. Oh, gosh. So just.

Just prepare. But hey, listen, let's live like you. I'm like, this sounds kind of fun. This is like daylight savings day. I was like this morning he told me that the guy booking our flights and I was like, I was like, should we literally cancel a trip for this one moment of discomfort? Oh my gosh. I know.

I know. But I stopped myself. This one moment of discomfort. I stopped myself. See, you look at it as discomfort. I look at it as like a challenge adventure. I know. That's why we're married.

I don't know. That's why, no, truly, what did I say to you? I was like, if we hadn't gotten married, I'd probably be a loser. I think I said a fat loser. It's horrible. That same. Yeah. Okay.

I'd be like, never mind. Do you have anything else you want to talk about in your script there? Okay, let me look at my script really fast. We have to do another podcast on Thursday too. So like save my horse anniversary sale updates. No, I mean, I think this has been great. Great talk. See, we always... This has been a little bit more serious of a pod.

You think so? Yeah, but I think it's good. Yeah, it's super educational. You bringing all those facts in. Yeah. Your turn next time. I'm in a rut. I'm now.

I don't know where I'm going to go next. Like what you're going to deep dive in? Yeah, I don't have anything. This is always kind of the calm. Yeah, yeah. We'll find something. Maybe you leave a comment of like, what should Jordan deep dive on next?

I'm thinking maybe like Lewis and Clark. Ooh, that could be good. And then we can watch all the Lewis and Clark movies out there. I don't think there are many. Oh. Pocahontas? No, sorry. I don't know.

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