De-Influenced with Dani + Jordan - Why Can’t We Be Friends? ft. The Notes App Cameo

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Hello and welcome back to your favorite podcast, Deinfluenced. This might be the most tired I've ever been on a podcast. I don't think I ever get less than eight hours of sleep, especially when I'm pregnant. I get like 10 hours of sleep. But last night, last night, we flew to a Chiefs game and then flew right back afterward and my only problem was I was like saving one of those liquid IV energy drinks and our

friends were planning on going to dinner after the game so I drank like a whole one at like 5 p.m. So we landed at like you know 10 30 or 11 and we got home and I'm like wide awake. So I laid in bed till like one or 1.30 and then woke up at like I don't know 545 or 6 and I just typically if you're no that's actually a lie. Whether I'm pregnant or not I just need my eight hours. I'm like the type of person that, like, if I don't sleep my eight hours, I feel physically ill, like my tummy hurts. So I texted our podcast producer and I was like, can you come sooner because I needed to go night night? I was like, I really need to nap. But no, I'm excited about this episode.

It's kind of, you know, when I do these solo episodes, it's kind of like a smorgish borg. Is that the right word? Schmorgish borg. Whatever. whatever um of just all these things i've been thinking about you know random topics because i feel like when you have a co-host it's so much easier to like dive into one topic and like really just talk about that the entire time but when it's solo i mean i'm carrying the show so i have like a ton of just like i know off-the-wall topics and just things that i've been i've been like listening to a lot

podcasts lately watching a lot of youtube videos documentaries um so i want to catch you up on some of the the things that I've been kind of consuming. But, yeah, a little catch up. Like, what's been going on in life? I don't know. I just feel like I'm in that, like, Summit is getting so big, and he's getting to the point where, like,

he's probably about to start crawling. And it's like, I feel sick about it. I'm like, stop it. I like whenever you just lay there and you're like a little baby. And now he's just growing up so fast and it's making me so, I mean, it's so grateful. But it's just so sad because it's just,

it happens so fast. Um, so I'm in this like really good, like, momming era. Um, I'm kind of like the favorite in the house right now. Like all my kids are obsessed with me. You know, we go back and forth. Like sometimes it's daddy's season. Like everyone's daddy and rough time. But right now we're in like a mommy season and it feels good to be back on top. You know, I don't know how long it will last, but it's like you're like the popular girl in school again. And I'm like, everybody wants a piece of this. I can't give it to everybody. You know, mommy's got to get some self care around here. You know, I don't know. Mommy's got to get some self care around here. You know. but it just feels so good to be loved. Me and Stratton have been like really bonding about dinosaurs. I didn't know I would ever know this much about dinosaurs, but I'm kind of like a paleontologist now. I mean, I know everything about every single type of dinosaur if they are an herbivore or a carnivore or if they ate this.

I mean, I just like literally know everything, which is I guess part of being a boy mom. I'm sure I'll learn a lot about trucks and cars to come, sports. Stratton, so Stella never really had like a baby voice, but Stratton's got this baby voice and now he's really talking, and you just want to bottle it up and like never forget it because it's the cutest thing. And he's kind of a thing where he like stutters a lot like a toddler would, and it's just so cute.

So, yeah, I'm just really enjoying this stage. What else has happened? You know, the internet, it's a, it's a disaster out there. You know, everybody just protect yourselves, take some breaks, get off of the TikToks. But let's see. Oh, we went to Chicago. That was a good time. We went to Chicago for our Ulta market meeting, which is so fun because it's like,

it's our time of the year where we go in. And you don't even have to have like a themed market meeting, but we always try to make it fun for all the like Ulta employees. And so our our theme this year was the life of a showgirl, but we made it like the life of a Divi Girl, like Taylor Swift theme. Because the life of a showgirl album, the colors are literally green and orange like

divy green and ultra orange. So it was just like perfect. So we gave them all record players. We made like stickers. We served champagne at the beginning. Everything was like very sparkly and glitzy. And then we got to show then. show them two new products that we've been working on. And then like our holiday kit and we plan exclusives for Ulta. And then Ulta gives us feedback like, hey, like we'd like, it would be awesome if you guys would work on this.

Like it'd be awesome if you guys invested in a field team or if you went in, you know, so we just figure out ways to kind of collaborate and help each other out. And Ulta is like, I don't know. I just feel like so spoiled because we've always had like the best partnership with them. like we give them our all and they give us their all and like we're expanding in a lot of the stores so we're getting like more space and it's just really really exciting we have like so much more to grow with alter and they're also going um like international which is exciting so some updates and news will be coming soon but i'm also really excited about some of our new products like super pumped um one of them like i literally get dms about every single day so anyway um

Chicago was great, but the only downside about this trip to Chicago was we stayed in a really great hotel, but like I really just wanted some like deep dish pizza, you know? Like you just, you got to do it. I'm pregnant. And usually when we're there, we go to Aurelios, but that's like kind of on the outskirts of Chicago. And that's not a deep dish, but it's like really good pizza. So we stayed in the first night because we were so tired. But we stayed at the four seasons and they had like a deep dish pizza on the menu. So we ordered it. It was like a little mini one. It was really, I'm sorry, like, I love you four seasons, but it was not good. It really just tasted like they put sauce on top of like, like a dried up cookie. Like, you know, it was just like not good. And I was just like, oh, it's okay. It's because it's, you know, it's, we did room service. They're not, four seasons is not known for their pizza.

Like no, no harm, no foul. Like I understand. You know, we're just trying to get fed before we go to nine night. But then the next day after the ultimate meeting, we went to, um, Jordanos with George Jordano's I'm sorry I sound like Trump's trying to say acetamiphan but no it's like a famous pizza place and so like you walk in like everybody is having deep dish and it looks so good and we're like so pumped and the weirdest thing though this was so odd like the weather was amazing I'm gonna tell you all it was probably like 78

79 degrees sunny like beautiful and Jordan are like it was lunch time you know it's like probably the one o'clock and we're like yeah let's sit outside like it was so weird no one else in chicago wanted to sit outside everybody said it was like too hot we were like y'all are crazy this is the best weather i've ever experienced like in the past like eight months and everyone was like packed inside and we were the only ones sitting on the patio it was so weird for like what world are we living in right now um but anyway so we ordered our pizza we did like a pepperoni with um uh with jalapeno that's always my favorite and it took like he's like okay you know this is going to take 45 minutes and we're like hey it's worth the wait you know we're going to go we're about to fly back anyway and he comes out and it's thin crust

and i was like are you kidding me i was like we messed up our pizza last night and then this guy messed up our order so we're like oh no no no we want a deep dish like we're not from here like we need deep dish chicago pizza and he was like oh well it'll take another 45 minutes we're like we got to fly to catch and so anyway so then this pizza was like kind of burnt on the bottom so it just tasted like they put sauce on a burnt cracker. So I was just really upset about my pizza experience, but I was really happy with my old experience because they're so awesome. So it's okay. I think it's just we go back to, we go to Chicago all the time. So we'll have to redeem ourselves. But no, we had a lot of fun.

It was also just like kind of good to, you know, have some time with Jordan, you know, be away from the kids just for a night and just like focus on. other because it's hard. It's hard when you got those three babies and you're pregnant. Oh, yeah, and I had so many people. Oh, this was also funny. I had so many people. Well, two things were funny. First of all, on the patio when we were eating, I'm like looking at my stories and I'm in Chicago and I see a selfie that is posted of my four-year-old daughter that I've never seen before. So it's not like I accidentally posted this photo. I've like never seen this photo and she has a filter on and I like don't put filters like oh my kid like I don't know where this came from so I

showed a Jordan I'm like how is this photo on my stories right now like does Stella have a phone like did did somebody give Stella a phone like did and the thing is I'm I've been missing my work phone for like literally a year and I'm still convinced that Stella stole it and like is hiding it somewhere I'm like do you think that she got on my work phone because my work phone has like service and everything and I'm like also who it's not like my parents gave her a phone because they're not they don't have access to my instagram you know so then i realized oh my gosh it's probably my assistant she comes over like twice a week and it's probably my assistant so i probably grabbed my assistant's phone got on instagram and posted a selfie and that's exactly what happened

she's four years old i was shocked i could not believe it um so that was really funny i i kept it up because i was like this is just it's too good um but she looked so old in that photo it was weird it's weird if you've been following me since i was pregnant like i feel like that was yesterday and so people are like i can't believe that she's almost five i'm like i know i can't either it's also funny because when we bought this house we're like we're going to be here for two years and it's been like almost six years um yeah it's just it's crazy when you have kids like how time just like flies flies um oh but and the other funny thing that um i was going to mention is when we did our taylor Swift theme for our ultimate meeting. I got so many DMs that were like, what? Like, you can't

like Taylor Swift and respect what Charlie Kirk did at the same time. And I was like, we'll go into that because I strongly disagree. Let's see. What else we did? We went and got library cards. That was something, that was an idea I had because my mom always took me into the library like once a week when I was a little girl and I could always pick out five books. And it was like our thing. We went once a week. I read them all and then I exchanged them out for like years. And I realized, man, we never, we haven't done that with our kids. And in fact, I don't think I've been to the library in Dallas since I was eight years old. And so we found our like local Lakewood library. And it was so precious, so cute. We went on a Saturday. There were a bunch of kids in there. And we got them their own library cards.

They got to sign on the back. They're going to keep them and take care of. them themselves. I'm sure we're going to have to get a lot of them. But it was so special. And then they picked out their own books, except for Shaden kept picking out, like, books that were, like, for 18-year-old, you know, like, little chapter books. And so I was, like, exchanging them with, like, dinosaur books. So, wish us luck in that, because I'm really hoping that we don't lose them all, because that's the worst feeling, like, whenever you lose a book that you had to return to the library. Oh. I'm not. Like, do kids even go to the library anymore?

Like, when y'all are doing research projects, do you even use the library? Because I remember we used to have to have, like, four different sources. Like, do you remember that? Like, you had to have, like, one online, like, one book, one interview, one new. Like, so you had to have a book resource. And I wonder if they even do that. Like, why would you? You have, like, chat, jviti?

I don't know. Interesting. Things that make you, hmm. Hmm. So, yeah, so then over the week, weekend we get a text from my friend and she's like hey my husband's gonna you know he has to go work in Kansas city so we're going to fire up the plane you all want to come to the chiefs game with us um and then we'll fly back right after and i was like um yes come in i was like i have no babysitter

but i will figure it out we will be there not only that i had no red to wear which if you know like Jordan is like he's like why are you stressing so much about your outfit like should i be stressing about my outfit. I'm like, no, this isn't about you. Like, you don't understand, like, game day outfits for girls is like a big thing. Like, this is like our moment. And, like, you can just wear whatever you want, but like we have to have like a fit, you know. And I typically only go to Cowboys or like UT games. So I only have like burnt orange or navy. Um, and so I had no red, like no red. And I had just returned to dresses that I didn't wear in Colorado for like the 4th of July. I was like, oh, why did I do that? So we went to the mall and

like I haven't shopped like this probably since 1999. Like I was frantic running all over the mall. Like I don't try on clothes whenever I go to the mall. Like I just buy it and like if it doesn't fail, I'll return it. I was in the dressy room like fighting for my life trying to slip things on and and hurry up and my kids are screaming and crying and Jordan's watching Summit because we didn't, you know, like we're all there like on a Saturday morning. it was kind of a disaster but so i did some like speed speed shopping and um found two really cute

outfits um of course i did a poll and like i chose the one that had the least amount of votes because that's just what i do i always do that i'm always like jordan like which one do you like like the pink or the green one he's like definitely the green i'm like okay i'm going to wear pink because it's so funny like i really just want to do the poll so that you affirm what my favorite was not because i actually want to know what your favorite is i just really want to you to say that what I chose is best. And then, like, y'all voted for, like, it was like 49% one outfit, like 42%. And then it was like 10% what I was going to wear.

And I was like, I don't care. I'm going to wear what I wanted to wear. So it was so fun. The only, like, the only crazy thing about yesterday, because that was yesterday, yeah, about flying on this plane was Jordan. I don't know if y'all remember seeing this, but. Jordan was supposed to be on an airplane that crashed. And last minute, he decided to switch to a different airport.

And it was, like, so scary. And it was the same type of plane. It was, like, a king air, like, you know. And so, like, we decided since then that we were, like, if we fly, like, we're going to stick to just flying southwest, like, fly commercial just because that really freaked us out. And, you know, there's, like, so many statistics about, like, how safe, small planes. are like you have like a greater chance of getting in a car wreck than you do like a small plane but jordan only took this smart like we took a small plane like four times and it happened on his fourth times so he's like i don't know it's like a 25% chance for me so um so he was like really and i

i'm kind of like i don't want to say fearless but i just am kind of like it's my time to go it's my time to go. You know, I just kind of like don't really think about it. And which is probably bad. Like, I think I'm a little naive because then I realized the night before, like, Jordan pops out of bed at like 11 o'clock at night. He like runs upstairs and comes back 30 minutes. I'm like, where have you been? He was like making sure that the will was in the right place. He had written like every single family member in our, in our family like a note, like a letter, or kids a letter. Like he was like prepared for like the worst of the worst to come. I'm like, oh my, I feel like such a bad mom.

Like I didn't even write like a sticky note. Like, you know, I wasn't even thinking about that. But I feel like when it comes to like sometimes like the fear aspect of our relationship, like sometimes Jordan is a more like fearful one. I'm more like, wow. I'm like turbulence. This is so fun. Like I'm like bouncing in the air. I'm like I would skydive every single weekend.

Jordan's like, no, absolutely not. I don't know why. Like my mind just like doesn't. and go there and maybe I am a little, I probably am naive, you know. But, yeah, so that kind of like, I was like really excited for it, but then like when seeing him stress out, then I was like, wait, should I be stressed out? And so, you know, typically I'm, like, not scared. But I feel like on that flight, like we were both a little scared. And I could tell. And so we like, you know, we prayed. And I did spend like five extra more, like five minutes,

like more on each child saying goodbye. I always say what are the two things that mommy wants you to know? And they always say, Mommy loves me forever and ever and Jesus lives in my heart. That's like the two things that before I leave, you know, I was like, okay, tell me my two things. So I spent a lot of time making sure they really understood that Jesus lives in my heart part because, you know, like, if I'm not going to be here, they need to know. And, um, and then you go, summit, of course, it's like, go go, go, gaga. Um, and so, uh, yeah, so we took off and, like going there was fine. I mean, it's always fine. It's a little bumpy because you're in a small plane. You know, it's a little different experience. And but coming back, we added like four more people on the plane.

So like someone would even have to like sit on like the toilet seat, like there, which sounds weird, but like you on the toilet seat, you can put this like cushion over it. So it like turns into a seat. But like the plane was just like way more packed. And so it was like way more claustrophobic. And like I know my husband and like I know when he's like well or not. But like I also know that Jordan like when he is not to have a panic attack or like he's really nervous or anxious like he just gets quiet and he will not admit to anyone that he's struggling. Like he won't tell somebody like, oh, I don't feel good or I'm going to faint or I'm going to throw up like you have no idea until it like literally happens. But I know because I know I know. And so he's sitting across to me and I can tell like he's not well.

Like my first thing I always can see is like his face gets really pale and his lips get like white. Like and I always ask him, babe, like are you okay? Like you're not looking well and he's like, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm like Jordan, it's okay. Like we're all friends. Like you can be honest. Like tell us like what do you need?

Like do you need some ice water or whatever? He's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. But I could tell he was like not well on the way back. I felt so bad for him. So I made him chug like a big ice water and put some ice water on his back. But I think it's because he was also feeling like nervous about the flight, but then also like, like claustrophobic or like just having like he's very sensitive in that way. Like he's like very sensitive like not tummy, but like nervous, anxious, like panic attacks like stuff like that.

And meanwhile, I'm like, like, I'm like not even thinking about it. And like poor guy is like over like struggling. And but I think it's just because he's like an overthinker. Like he will, he will, um, what's that called? Not, um, like play a thought over and over. Yeah, yeah. He just like plays it over and just like thinks about it. And, uh, and I'm just like, do to do.

Um, sometimes I feel like ignorance is bliss. Sometimes it's like nice to not be like that smart. Like, you know, where you just like don't know everything. So you just don't even know. It's kind of nice. Um, but yeah, we landed and it was good. And the color came back into space. The only problem is we just like both didn't.

get a lot of sleep last night. Probably because we were like so over simulated, but the game was so fun. Um, saw Travis Kelsey. He's really, he's a big man, like really big. But you know, it's so weird. Like when you're at the game, we had great seats. Our friends got us great seats. When you're at the game, it feels so much smaller. Like on TV, the field feels like so big and everything feels like it's like enormous. And then you're there and you're like, these are just like like guys playing with the ball. Like, you know, it's just, it is what it is. It's not. really is crazy. It is crazy, but it's like, I don't know. I can't explain it. It's just like so much more real. And you just like feel for them so much more. And that stadium is so, it's so hot.

Like it's so hot whenever it's hot because there's like you get like no breeze. And people are like, they're really nice fans first of all. Like I had zero bad encounter. I mean, of course, I was a chief fan. So like I was part of them. But like everybody was so friendly, so nice. Like cracking jokes. Just like a very pleasant experience. And, but yeah, I was thinking about the players on the field because they're like, I was pregnant and like so hot. Like I honestly thought I was going to faint. And they're in those like full on gear with the helmets in the past. I'm like, how are they playing in this heat?

I just, I don't understand it. It was so hot. So that's one thing. I was like, man, I guess we're kind of spoiled for having that indoor stadium, the Jerry world, you know. That is kind of nice. but that stadium is cool. I think it was built in like, we looked it up like 1971. I don't know.

It just has a very good feel to it. And it's kind of like in the middle. I wouldn't say the middle of nowhere, but it's like, but like when you go to like Arlington or some of these other, you just feel like you're in the like it's like you're in a really busy city. This felt like it was like this is about football. Like we're here for football. Like we're here for the team, which made it really fun.

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typically know until unless it's someone that I've been like really fighting for, which maybe is like twice a year but like I don't really know until it happens and our I mean I know that we work with Brittany Mahomes but I didn't know we were working with her like the day that I went to the game which was so fun and so um it was awesome because she posted like a reel with divvy the same day that like we were both at the same game which was so fun um I'm very proud of our divvy team like they kill it with our sponsorships and collaborations and I'm all I'm like y'all got Britney Mahomes like what like I was like that's impressive I was like so so proud of of them. Same thing whenever they had Taylor from the summer I turned pretty or they had

belly. They had belly using some products, like divvy products. I was like, this is legit. Like they are dreaming bigger than I was dreaming, you know. Oh, this past week we also saw, so I'm obsessed with Leonardo DiCaprio, not like as a person. I don't really know much about him as a person, but like I think he's just such a good actor. And like every movie he's in, I just, I love every single movie he's in. Like, you know if Leo's in it, like, it's going to be good. And I had seen a couple previews for a movie that I had no idea what it was about. But I was like, Leo's in it.

We got to go see it. It was called one battle after another. And it was actually really good. It was, the only thing is it's two hours and 40 minutes to just prepare yourself. Like, I probably went to the bathroom eight times during the whole movie. It's fine. But we went to like one of those like three o'clock showings on a Friday. so it like wasn't super crowded.

I snuck in like our Chipotle, Chiquelay, you know, like my usual casual thing that I do. And yeah, I really enjoyed it. It really makes you think, you know? It was one of those thinker movies. So I do, I recommend that one. And then what else have I been doing? Oh, I, okay, so maybe this will kind of segue.

And I recently watched, well, okay, I haven't finished, finish watching or listening to either one of these. So these might be like some incomplete thoughts. But there is a YouTube channel. I think his name is Tommy G. And I saw that he did like a, he investigated Kenneth Copeland. Like I don't know if you all know who Kenneth Copeland is. But he is like this huge televangelist. So he's like the guy like you turn on TV and you turn on. you turn on the church channel and he's like preaching like speaking to you know his congregation but it's like he he's actually a pastor at a church but then he's also speaking to like thousands of thousands of thousands of people online um he's like an older guy he founded uh kenneth copeland ministries this is like back in 1967 i believe with his wife he's big in the like prosperity gospel so prosperity gospel is like basically like the teachings that like if you're a Christian and like basically like you kind of get

whatever you want like if you name it you can claim it like it's all about health and wealth so like if you ask like if you're a Christian like God wants to give you everything that your heart ever desired he wants to give you health he wants to give you wealth um he like what is I God intends for believers to prosper that's what it is um which that's that is kind of the opposite. I don't believe in that at all because like I the Bible this kind of contradicts that a lot but but it's a very pleasant message because it is kind of like one of those things like when you go in you like feel really good afterwards I would say my church growing up like dabbled in that a little bit like more with tithing it was like if you tithe like you will be

given like more and more and more which I I think that sometimes people take that out of like context because like maybe you'll be given more like in the kingdom of heaven or maybe like you know like uh blessings the way that god wants to bless you which is maybe more like a better like like relationships with your kids but i don't necessarily think that means like money but like they believe it's like you give money and like god will bless you with more money so it's like kind of like an investment into like your prosperity which is just like a very confusing like scary message because like with a lot of these churches, they're not very transparent about like where all the money's going, you know?

And so you're giving thinking like it's going to go help, you know, you know, serve the poor or help people. And then it's like going to somebody's like private jet. Like it's just, you know, it's, it just can be like confusing. But this, he was also this guy named Nathan Atful who did this YouTube video where they investigated Kenne of Copeland. He was just on Sean Ryan's podcast. So that might be a better way for you guys to like just learn about it.

And Sean Ryan does like a really good job at like saying like, hey, I'm not here to trash megach churches and to trash pastors because like I'm a baby believer and like I don't want to deter people from like a way that they can learn about Jesus. Like fun like I don't want to just stop them like funneling into a place where maybe they can learn more. But I thought it was a good reminder. Like I was thinking about this. Well, first of all, let me go more into like.

Kenneth Copeland. So he's worth $750 million, like almost a billion dollars. And he owns two private jets. And he, Kenneth Copeland Ministry, they own a church headquarters building, which is normal, production, normal, a production facility. He owns a, there's a parsinage. Parsonage. Parsonage. Wow, I've never actually said that word of. a lot, I've read it. There is a parsinage, which is a basically, like, when you have a church, like a lot of times, like most pastors like make like $50,000 a year. So they typically do need help. And so you can have a parsonage, which is like a home connected basically to the church. Like a lot of times it's like you just like walk outside and there's like your pastor's house.

And it helps them because then they have a place to live. are close to church and transportation, whatever. And a lot of times they're very, like, humble, you know, you can just, it's just right there. But his is 19,000 square feet. It's, like, connected to the church. It's, like, crazy and, like, separating his estate is his, like, own private airport, like, airstrip landing and where he owns his two, you know, private planes. And what's also confusing about, like, a parsonage is, I,

that's literally the hardest word for me to say in this planet, is that they're tax exempt. So you don't have to pay your taxes. It's like kind of a genius little loophole, you know, if you really think about it. But is it? Because it's like kind of weird. But so there's just also like churches aren't required to share like all their like exactly where everything goes. And so it's just very confusing. You know. And it's it's hard because I think the thing that got. it for me was there was this like recent interview where he like got stopped at some girls like interviewing him and she was like hey is like is it true that you have like two private planes like why do you have these jets like they're actually i think it's jets not planes and he was like he said something y'all can look it up yourselves and he was like

because i don't want to go on like a commercial plane like that's filled with people like devils like he let it are demons like he was like with other demons and she's like wait are you calling other people like demons and he like point like got in her face and like point in it like you just have to watch the interview and so that was just like weird to me because it was like it just did not give off like good vibes I was like there's something wrong with this guy and I think it's like a relevant topic because like I said I think that nowadays like it's just you know everything's like so polarizing obviously it's disaster out there and a lot of people um you know defend like their their actions and their character with their religion. And I just think it's always really healthy to do like some critical thinking and to like really

try to understand people that look at the church and look at Christians in a negative light and try to understand like why or, you know, because I think it can sometimes help us like understand like be convicted about like how our sin has trickled into our lifestyles. Like, you know, it hurts to look at sometimes. But so many Christians are like so stubborn because I'm a Christian, I am doing everything. I am doing everything right. Like because so what I say is justified and what I believe is justified because I'm a Christian. And it's like, but yeah, maybe some parts. But like also it's okay to like take a step back and be like, you know what? Let me consider it. Let me do some critical thinking. Let me put myself in your shoes. Because really that's what like critical thinking really starts as is like just if you can say both sides of

the argument like before you make a statement and like try to understand both sides of the argument and then say what you want to say like a lot of times it will come off like really different but you really have to have like a certain level of humility to like put yourself in someone else's shoes. A lot of people that are like, especially a lot of people that are like Christians that sometimes like I feel like take, um, they take like the love and acceptance part of like Christianity like so far extreme. And then you have some Christians that are like take the other part like so far extreme that they have no love and acceptance. And it's like, it's like, but we're all like Christians. Everybody's like, we're, we're, we're, we're, all Christians and I believe this and I believe this. And it's like, it's confusing for nonbelievers.

It's so confusing because everybody's like, they're like, I don't know what God would actually want because you guys are both so polar opposite. It's confusing. And so I, the reason I wanted to go over this is because I think it's, it's interesting to see like how some people have been like hurt by these like really famous like Christian pastors that are like claiming to do like, they're claiming like you pray it. You're going to be healed. You, you pray. You pray. you're going to get it. And that's like so not the Bible. It's so not like God's word. That's not what he preaches. That's not what he shares with us. And so I don't know. I just think it's healthy to like, no, you know. And just to think about. But anyway, so, but there were two kind of takeaways

that I took away from this. Something that Nathan Atful shared is he was like, a lot of times these Christians, you're not over Christ, but you're over the church and the corporation. Not even you're not over the church you're over the corporation because nowadays a lot of these churches have turned into like these mega corporations they're like taking in money money flows in money flows out it's a system and a lot of times people are burnt by the system they're not actually they're not actually burnt by like the church which is like the church in bit like in the bible is the people it's a gathering of people that come together to worship to learn to encourage one another and um to learn more about Jesus be more like Jesus and that's what the church is. So when you say, he was saying this, he was like, do you say that you go to church?

Yeah, we all say, yeah, we go to church. And he's like, no, you are the church. Like the people are the church. What you go to is a building. What you go to is part of the corporation. What you go to is part of the system. That's not the church. And so his whole like message and like, I don't know, I guess his goal is to just like kind of unmuddy the two and just remember that like the church is different. Like we, the people are the church. And so I thought that was like a really good reminder. Because I've been to like some really, really big like megachurches. Like they got Starbucks inside and you feel like, sometimes you feel like you're in like the mall of America or they got like roller coasters. You're like, where am I? And that doesn't mean that they're inherently bad. I'm not speaking poorly over like every megachurch. But I think it's a good reminder because I think that from what I've read is that God really,

like we have the word of God and we have the Bible. And so when we are confused about something, we sometimes need to just rely on ourselves and us learning the Bible and like reading what God says because a lot of times it can get like misconstrued and like just lost in the system. And I don't blame them. Like it's your church is growing. You want you want to bring in more people. It's marketing. Let's get more Christians in here. It's so exciting. Like it's just like any other business when it grows. It's like you just kind of like sometimes get overwhelmed. And so sometimes when I feel like it's done out of like malicious intent or anything, I don't know, this guy's into little crazy.

But like I'm just thinking about some churches. And so I think it's like really smart for us as believers and us as the church. You know, that's why we do Bible studies like our home. And like we dive into the word. Like we don't just listen to what anybody is telling us. Like especially when Kenneth Copeland is saying some of these crazy things, you name it, you claim it. That's not true. Like it's really just not.

and if you read the Bible, you'll understand that, that, like, being a Christian, that's actually really hard. And sometimes there's, like, suffering and persecution and not always. And God does have blessings and all these things, but it's just not so, like, roses and, you know, and rainbows the whole time. And so it was a really good reminder for me to just remember that, like, the Word of God is where we can, like, also make our, like, use discernment and be like, okay, is this church, like, a good place for me? Is it a good, you know, maybe I'm a baby Christian. Now I've learned enough. Like maybe it's time for me to like really go do something else or be somewhere else.

And, you know, kind of strengthen my faith more in a different way. So, you know, I think that I do feel like God is sovereign. So he's going to use all these things like for his glory. But at the end of the day, I think it's so important that we like, you know, it's like when people are like, do your own research. It's like kind of like do your own research, you know. And I think about like a lot of times. how the message of God or Christianity or like this love and acceptance that everyone preaches about all the time, I agree with it because like God is love, Jesus is love. Like he has so much

mercy. But it also talks about in the Bible many of times how God hates sin. Like he hates it. And it talks about how there is a judgment day and he is like a just God and he is going to set things straight, you know, and he likes just. And sometimes. I feel like we kind of abuse that a little bit. Like we're like, well, God just like loves and accepts everything and it's all going to be fine because everybody just do whatever they want because God loves and loves and less. But the thing is, yes, he has a lot of mercy because we all should be going to help because we're all literally the worst.

Like a sin is a sin is a sin, you know? And we all have sin. So he has a lot of mercy on us. But I think if we've like read the scriptures more, like we would understand that like there is like God doesn't like that we sin. and he like has these blessings for us and he has these like ways that he wants us to live our lives because he wants to bless us and it's like he knows that's like what's best for you it's like a dad whenever they don't like let you watch TV after nine o'clock it's because you won't sleep and you

won't you know it's like oh but I want to and like dad like but it's like saying like oh dad lets me like watch TV because he's like so loving and it's like no he's just like looking out for you and that's why he doesn't and that's why he wants you live this way um and so Yeah, and then you look at all these, like, crazy, I was going to say crazy ass, but I have to, like, not cuss when I'm talking about God. But, like, or just in general, I need to stop cussing. But you look at all these, like, crazy stories in the Bible, like, okay, different, like, sometimes I'm like on Pinterest and I see these, like, nurseries that are Noah's Ark themed, you know? And I'm like, Noah's Ark was probably the scariest days of, like, the world. it's like everything was drowning and dying underneath the water like like really super scary and like

you know you see it's like the rainbow and all the animals on the nozark and i'm like that day would scare the living ish out of me um i mean you look at saddam gamora uh you look at uh the plagues on egypt you look at even like the cross and then you also look at like final judgment like god's judgment That's why I also like sometimes when I feel like I see all these people on Instagram and they, you, you feel so angry and you just like want someone to like, okay, I'm going to be specific. This is like, okay. So there's this girl on TikTok and she's just really mean. Like she's just a really mean girl. Okay.

She's made some videos about me, but she's just not nice. Okay. And she's, y'all probably know who she is. if you know, if you're reading my mind, she has like a lot of followers, like half a million followers, probably more than that. And just in light of like everything that's been going on, she's just been really mean about a lot of things. And it's so funny because like she popped up in my feed. She made like, she's kind of being like canceled right now for a video that she made like about Charlie Kirk's death and she was like dancing whenever he died and was like, you know.

So she's kind of being canceled for that. And so it just popped up on my, you know, I was actually doing research last week for this podcast and it popped up for me. And I was like, okay, that sucks. Like, whatever, scroll through. But then when I looked at the bottom, you know what's like suggested video? It said her name and Danny Austin. And I was like, what do I have to do with this girl? I was like, so of course, I'm like, I shouldn't click on this, but I did.

She made a whole video about me. And it was just mean. Like it was mean. Like in the first sentence, she calls me a dumb ASS. Like, you know, whatever. It was just a mean, mean, mean. And man, everything. in my and she's being like canceled now so like when she made the video she was like in the clear but

she's being canceled now and it really took everything in my soul not to like I did comment back but I was pretty nice like I wasn't like but it took everything in my soul not to like send us all my friends and be like this girl got what she's third and like this girl like you know and it's just like so human like it's just like the sin that lives with thunderous like you you know you just try to fart it we're like I just she I'm so happy that she's suffering now like that's kind of what I felt like isn't that so horrible that I felt that way? Yeah. And, but I have to remember, especially in moments like that or in moments, um, like whenever, when I don't know the person personally, or I'm like, uh, you know, you just, you just want to let them have it or you just want them

to fail because they're so evil. Like, you know, you just know what I mean. And first of all, I have to remember, um, one, God can redeem anyone. Okay. Like, this is like, this is like, God's child too. Like the same way that Paul used to kill Christians, like then he ended up dying for his Christianity. And then now he then at the end of it, he like dies for like his faith. That's crazy. But like so I have to like remember that.

And then I also have to remember that. Okay. So God can read everything. And like God is just and like everybody like I don't have to be the one to make someone hurt or I don't have to be the one to like, you know, tell them that they're wrong and try to like get revenge or whatever that's like not my job at all like that's i need to stay in my own lane um god is merciful god is just like it will it will happen the way that it happens and like i don't need to get in the middle of that it's not my role here um and so you know everybody's like

pray for the people that you know harm you and it's like like you really should you know it's hard i have i have to admit i haven't prayed for her yet maybe i should but that's a that's a hard It's hard. It's really hard to like also like forgive people that hurt you. Like, ugh. But that's the thing is like God just calls us to a higher standard. Like he just calls us to be better and better. And I think the more you do it, the easier it gets. But yeah. So I don't know. It's just it's a good reminder. And if you all want to watch that documentary, there's one, it's Tommy G on YouTube. And then the interview, it might be better, but I haven't listened to the whole thing. So I'm not necessarily endorsing it. But it's Seth Ryan's podcast. And he interviews a guy. named Nathan Atful, which I think is like Iris Outful, but Nathan Atful. I don't think they're related. Um, so anyway, am I 45 minutes in? Oh my gosh. How does that? I have like five more, like I always overprepared for these, these episodes. Like, I'm not even kidding. Kidding you, like before. I wrote the Kenneth Copeland documentary into my catch-up. This was like part of my

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all of your financial accounts right now and what's in them? No, absolutely not. I think I have big accounts that I like forgot about. I really do. It's horrible. Like your 401k savings, investments, maybe even that old checking account, your parents opened up when you were in high school. Yeah, I couldn't either. I'm telling you all, I probably, guys, I probably have so much money in that I would, I would say at least $5,000, like from when I was a kid and I have no idea where it is. That's exactly why I started using Monarch money. And let me tell you, I was shocked at what I found. It really made me realize how much I'd been winging it instead of actually managing our money.

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I can go over a couple more things. This one's not as deep, but this kind of like ties into everything else that I was talking about is the amount of DMs that I got that were like, oh my gosh, you can't like Taylor Swift. Which I was, because, Because I had, because I had said that I appreciated Charlie Kirk as a Christian, you can't also like Taylor's stuff. And I was like, first of all, you can't tell me what I can and can do. That's really the first thing that I wanted to say. And I was like, what is there? Is there a law that I can't like both?

But no, I just, I see this conversation a lot. And it was like, really crazy to me? Like, whenever I went to the game yesterday, I posted a video because everybody was like, is Travis Kelsey there? And I don't know much about Travis Kelsey. Like, I really don't like follow him that close. I just know that he's getting engaged to Taylor Swift and he like pursued her.

I'm like, that's cool. That's cute. But I kind of like believe the amount of people that were like, like, set me like throw up emojis whenever I posed him. And people are like, who cares? I don't like him. He's the worst. And I was like, whoa, I thought everybody like loved Travis. I was confused.

But, um, you know. it always it does kind of blow my mind when people like send me stuff like that I'm like oh my gosh people probably say that about me too like whenever you pose a picture with Danny and they're like throw up but whatever um but the reason why I wanted to go over this is because I think that this is the type of rhetoric that like literally ruins us I I think whenever you're like hey because that would be like okay because you're a Christian like you can't hang out with this person because you don't believe every single thing that they believe. Like that's literally kind of like the same thing. Like, oh, you can't like this person and like Taylor Swift is really just total

Malar. It's so silly. That's so silly. I especially like me growing, I would have had no friends. I grew up in a Jewish community and I told you guys all my friends were Jewish growing up. Like we obviously believed like very different things and they were all my best friends. And we would talk about it and stuff. And like everybody was so set in their faith that it was like it was it is what it is. Okay, let's go play outside, you know? And we got along great. And it was like, like, there's still some of my friends to this day. And I just can't even imagine that you've met someone that you've wholeheartedly agreed with every single outs of their being. Like, even my husband. Like, I love him to death. He's my soulmate. And I still, like, don't agree with everything that he says. You know, he wants to move

to national right now. I don't necessarily want to do that. Like, you know, it's just like, just because we don't have the same exact beliefs doesn't mean that we can't. appreciate one another. Now I'm not worshiping these people. I'm not worshipping Charlie or Taylor Swift. Like absolutely not. Like that would be so silly. But I do appreciate little parts of them. Oh, I actually wrote

something in my notes. I wrote this the other day. Let's see if... You know when you write something in your notes and you're like, I feel so strongly about this, but then you reread it and you're like, let's see if that's what this is. Um, okay, so I said, I've received so many DMs that you can't

respect Charlie Kirk's religion. and Taylor Swift at the same time. Respectfully, I strongly disagree. This is the type of rhetoric that is going to continue to divide us. We had to remember, this is like so cheesy, that we're all Americans and we're all in the same team. I can respect Charlie's faith, but also adore Taylor's integrity and determination and her music. They're just not mutually exclusive. Both of them are just human. Neither one of them are perfect. I don't worship either. I worship a Jesus and a God that never lets me down and are perfect. I can agree and disagree and question and learn, but it's just really harmful when we place labels on one another and we just divide each other humans are so much more complex

we evolve and we grow and I'm questioning and sharpening my wisdom and opinions every day that's the thing is like sometimes I believe one thing one day and then different thing the other day and then it's like what if I like now I can't be friends with her because I flip flopped on it's just silly um I hope on this page we can let go of labels and contentious attitudes and try to love and appreciate parts of one another instead of attacking dividing and assuming it's really not helpful um the one thing never denies my faith in Jesus, my believe that he's the only one that will never disappoint us when humans disappoint us daily. So that was my little, my little notes rant. You know, when girls, there's like a big, like, trend right now where, like, girls are, like, just posting

all of their notes. Have you seen that? Like, people are just, like, screenshoting all their notes tabs and then posting it, like, in their feed. And, like, I can't do that. Mine are too deep. people are like pick up apples to toothpaste and deodorant and mine are like we're all americans we must not divide i just i can't it's too much it's too much um but yeah i my biggest thing is we don't worship these people another thing is i think our jobs as parents or or the job of like our parents is to be the one that like really helps set the foundation for like what our children are exposed to and like what they're influenced on and like I just remember my parents I did such a good job with that like I remember the day that we were going to learn about evolution in school and my mom

was like hey you're going to learn about this thing called evolution you know we believe that God created you know everything but you're going to learn about it and you know we don't necessarily agree with that but you know just so you know and it was great like because then I like when I went I was like, I don't know, like, I kind of believe in this God and I kind of believe in this. And so I had very young age, I would say that this is probably, I think we learned about that in like fourth grade, I believe, maybe third or fourth grade. And even at third and fourth in fourth grade, I had the discernment. And I had the foundation that my parents set for me that like, I do believe that there is a

God and I don't have to believe what the world tells me all the time. And I think that's kind of like our role as parents is to like really instill that in our children, that like the world is going to tell you all these crazy things and Taylor Swift is going to sing about this and you're going to see this in a movie and you're going to but ultimately like you're going to have to use your discernment and you know try to like try to figure out the truth and like the truth is sometimes going to like you have to search for it and you have to really like learn and but like the truth is the truth and like don't get sidetracked nowadays we put so much pressure on like celebrities and influencers and movies and people are like oh my gosh your Taylor Swift is like influencing. a entire generation to be this and this. Yeah, and she might, but, like, that's the role of, of, like, a parent is to be like, hey, like, you're going to be exposed to a lot, and I want to shield you from as much as I can for as long as I can, but, like, you don't have to go along with the ways of the world. Like, you can live differently and you should live differently. And, like, here is the story of Jesus, and this is, like, why we live differently. We're called

to be different. Like, you don't have to be like everybody else. And so I think that sometimes we put so much blame on other, like, institutions, like, or I think that's where me and Jordan would maybe disagree is he he's so fearful of like education these days and he's so fearful of and I think because he's more of like a fear based person like we were talking about earlier and I'm not and maybe I'm naive but I'm just more like no like even if my kids go to public school and learn all the crazy things at our home they're going to learn the truth and like at church they're going to learn the truth and like it's the world like it's just you can try and I want to shield my children don't get me wrong I want to shield them from all the crazy things because. they're very vulnerable as children. But at the same time, like, you can't protect them from everything. And I think that that's why I also felt, sometimes I feel like, man, if it's my time to go, it's my time to go. Because I truly feel like God will take care of my children.

I really do. Like, I've always believed that. And of course, I think it would be better if I was here, please. But I've always believed that. And yeah. So I would just say, like, that discernment is key. and if you're really worried about, if you're really worried about how the world's going to influence the world, then focus on your family and focus on your kids first, you know.

The other thing is I just said, Taylorstiff makes me smile and it helps me process my emotions in a healthy way. It does. Sometimes whenever I'm, like, working out and I'm like, and then I get on there and I'm like, I'm like, you just have to shake, shake, shake it off. You know, it's just like, sometimes she just puts me in a better mood. And then I also love that music and I love that arts can pull people together from all different types and like walks of life. I don't.

That's another thing. It's like sometimes I worry about like where Jordan wants to like move or put our feel because I like to be. I like to be with like a lot of different people and like a lot of different beliefs. And I like to have my home space. Like you know my people that I like retreat to. But I like to be out there. And I don't want to like live in a bubble. And I don't think that's what he's suggesting at all.

But like I'm just, I'm probably making putting him in like an extreme bubble. And I'm probably putting myself in an extreme bubble. But, um, oh, poor someone's crying. Sorry if I'll hear that. But he's with our nanny. But, um, yeah, I, uh, I don't know. I just like that. And I like how music, podcast, social media brings people together.

Like I love how my community isn't all Christians or believers. I love that. it that's exactly how I want it to be. And I want to be able to speak about anything and everything. But then like, and I want you to be able to like believe what you believe and like us to be able to respect each other and not like hate each other for it. And I always felt like that's how it was. I really did.

I feel like whenever political times pop up, it's like so not like that anymore. But I've, I never felt that until like probably 2020. Like I had, I used to have so many people DM me all the time that were like, hey, I'm, I'm, you know, Muslim or I'm Jewish and I don't believe anybody. I really love whenever you talk about your faith. It's super cool. Like, that was so cool. I, and I, I miss those days. And I think it's still out there. I really do. I just think that sometimes the hate is so loud that you can't, like, see it, but it is. And so, I don't know. I like it. I like to live it. Sorry. The one little bit of information that I learned that we can

end with, speaking of Taylor Swift is, man, I really thought she was going to perform at the Super Bowl. but bad bunny is he's headlining that I don't know why I just feel so silly saying bad bunny I think it's like I like have children at home and it's like bad bunny I don't know bad bunny is headlighting the 2026 Super Bowl he's from Puerto Rico pretty cool um I don't know much about the man. I know he dated Kindle Jenner for a little bit. That's really all I know. He seems to be quite the

entrepreneur. I mean, I know most of his songs are in Spanish. He sings so fast. I can't understand anything he's saying. I have heard it is pretty raunchy. But yeah, I think it'll be great. I think that I don't know this fact, but I know that the NFL has been trying to get

Taylor Swift to perform at the Super Bowl for years. I know that. You've seen so many interviews and quotes. about that. I personally, I don't know this, but I personally feel like she declined it because she knows her worth. She knows the worth that she's bringing to the NFL. And they probably like refuse to pay her because I don't, they don't pay any buddy that like performs during the Super Bowl or the halftime. But that's probably the one person that could actually bring a ton more traffic is having Taylor Swift perform. And so she's like, hey, like I'm adding.

value to the NFL like I'm going to need you all to pay me and they probably declined and so I have to imagine it was like mainly because that's a lot of work too to like prepare for the Super Bowl and to practice and she's doing her own thing maybe honestly maybe she was just busy maybe she had other plans and she just wasn't available um but I don't know if I had to guess that would be very Taylor Swift of her to be like and for her to be like but I also also could see her being the first artist that was ever paid to play during the Super Bowl. But congratulations, bad buddy. I will be watching. I'm excited. I really liked Kendrick Lamar's performance last year. That was fun. And I'm so happy he brought back Bell Bottom jeans.

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