Dear Chelsea - Alien Encounters with Neil deGrasse Tyson

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson joins Chelsea to talk about what little green men might actually look like, how to prove alien life exists, and disclose what Area 51 is REALLY used for.   * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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host of StarTalk, and director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History, please welcome Neil deGrasse Tyson. Oh, lovely. We have, oh, Neil deGrasse Tyson is here today. This is your babe cave here. Is it? Oh, that's, I like that.

A babe cave. That sounds better than a man cave. No, that does sound like a, that does sound better. We need something like that. We got all parts of you up there on the wall. Uh-huh, we do. When was the last time we,

I'm going to take some medication since you're here. So you waited to start filming to take it. For when I'm dealing with you. Give me some of that too, whatever. It's nothing too exciting. Otherwise, I'd be happy to share. When was last time I saw you? I was on your show.

It was the Netflix show was the last time. But before that... Chelsea Lately. I don't think I've seen you since then. No, no. I would have been the Netflix show was the last time. But we have... I interviewed you before then also.

I think so. On Chelsea lately. But it's been too long. Pre-COVID. BC before COVID. Oh, sure, sure. How did COVID treat you? I was novid until like a couple of our

October's ago. So yeah, I didn't get it at all. Yeah. Oh, you know, I want to do that too. Can I do that? Yeah, yeah. It's called Crisscross Applesau. If I can still do that. Yeah. I bet you can. If you can get it. If you can get it to this position, that would be pretty impressive for a man. Oh, Neil degrass Tyson. Look at this. Let's see how your knees didn't even crack. Do you need a pillow to secure the area? No, I need. I need a tone. Okay, okay, okay. We'll do it. We'll do it with you. Look, we're all sitting like that. But I used to dance. I was a performing member of three different dance companies. I did not know that. Yeah.

So there's nothing like being in dance shape because you're nimble and strong and flexible. And so I would just fold up whoever I was and chill. Yeah. Well, I'm glad to see that's still working. I'm embarrassed. This doesn't come. Well, that's okay. I think you're doing a good job.

It's good. But it's accounted for that purpose. Yeah, yeah, it is. Congratulations on your new book. It's called Take Me to Your Leader. Perspectives on your first alien encounter. When is this going to happen? I can't wait.

It's overdue. First of all, there's really, I mean, everything you, I'm fascinated by you, as I've always been, because I don't understand anything that you understand. I know you're an astrophysicist, but you also are, you are able, you have a nice knack for kind of explaining to a layman what. Well, I try. I mean, I'm an educator. Yeah.

So any educator should have some kind of knack. That's right. Otherwise, they're just pontificate, they're lecturing rather than educating. Exactly. You know, you can lecture. And if people are paying attention, maybe. that's okay, but consider that after college, any time someone lectures to you, you say, no, stop lecturing me, you're lecturing me.

It's a bad thing after college, because I think it implies that you have to meet them all the way where they are to learn what they're trying to teach you. But I think if you're a real educator, you think about what's going on in the brains of the person who you're talking to. And you should be taking the biggest journey to them. Well, I mean, that's what you do in this book. I try. Is you try to take on the perspective of alien invaders

and all the different realms of possibility that they could choose to arrive in. It's a love letter to our fascination with aliens. That's really what that is. And to our assumptions about aliens. I just want to challenge some assumptions. The biggest assumption is that it looks humanoid. Right.

You know, most life on Earth does not look human. and we have DNA in common with it. I talk about bananas. Yes. Okay? That we have 45%? No, between 20 to 25% identical DNA as a banana. As a banana.

So I'm thinking an alien coming from another planet should be, it either has no DNA in common with us or no DNA at all. Right? Who says DNA is the molecule in the universe? Right, right. So it should look at least as different from us as we. and bananas look from each other. When you think about anything that's on the bottom of the ocean, like that's where alien, like, both look like alien.

It looks alien. I got one for you. Maybe I'm jumping ahead. I don't know what your agenda is here. But let's suppose only a few dozen people had ever seen an octopus. Just picture this. And now they testify in front of Congress under oath. You got to believe me, there's this squishy thing in the ocean.

big, it has eight legs, and each leg has suction cups on it. And it's got big eyeballs, and it's really smart. And it could change its surface pattern to blend in, to disappear in its environment. And it's, you just say this, they'll look at you like, okay, draw it. And no one can draw these things, right? So if you look at the drawing, it's like, what? And so they would parade forward. and until someone brings forth an octopus,

it will always be about, do you believe in octopuses? Right. To believe in them. Do you believe those testimonies? Do you believe it? So I'm saying, now that high-ranking people have said

they've got aliens in the back 40, or in the shed, is it too much to ask them to bring out the alien? And who's to say that an octopus isn't an alien? Well, yeah, well, because we can check the DNA. So it's of this earth. So based on an octopus's DNA, it's of this planet, so we know it's not. Correct, correct.

So that's a good check. Okay, that's a good check. That's good to know. And you open this book talking about bananas and chimpanzees about our DNA makeup with chimpanzees. Yeah, yes, almost identical. Because we're basically the same thing. Yes, yes.

What's the difference? A chimp is perfectly comfortable sitting as we are, you know, resting an elbow, you know, looking around and they like bananas just the way we do. It's 98 plus percent identical DNA. And what is the two percent different? Here's what we tell ourselves. We say, well, the chip, a smart chimp does what? They can stack boxes and reach a banana suspended from the ceiling.

That's a smart chimp can do that. And whereas we have poetry and philosophy and science and art and the James Webb Space Telescope. So if you're prone to think highly of us as a species, you'll say, what a difference that makes. But I pose the thought experiment in the book. Imagine an alien species. That's that 2% different from us that we are from chimps. Just in the same vector. Just put them up there.

But doesn't that, wouldn't that have the same DNA too if you're saying 2%? I know, I know. So it's hard. It's a thought experiment. It's whatever it is that separates us from chimp, contain in that 2%. Give that same separation to some other species. however that separation can be manifested. What would we look like to them?

We would be squawking idiots in their presence. Just the way, I don't want to call it a chimp an idiot, but a chimp is not doing long division, right? A chimp is not building, you know, skyscrapers or airplanes. Or lithium farms. Or lithium farms. So, very good lithium farms. That could be in our future.

So that's only 2%. What would a 5% difference be? So when we have the audacity to say, let's go out in the universe and find other intelligent life that presumes we're intelligent. Well, who said we're intelligent? We did. We didn't.

Okay? So think about that one. So would an alien consider us to be intelligent if we are today what chimps are to us? And so I just, it's an important thought experiment. The alien could be way smarter than us. Well, also with the argument that is also in the book, they're the ones that are visiting us. We're not visiting them.

So they got here and we only just weeks ago left low Earth orbit for the first time in 56 years. So yeah, if they visit us, they're going to be smarter. They have better technology. Might even be better looking. And they might have, I mean, and we have no idea how many. Well, let's go to basics, first of all. Can you define what a light year is? Oh, sure.

Just for layman's terms. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, it's not a year with fewer calories, no. A light year, it's a convenient unit of distance. Okay. To talk about how far away something is. So the nearest star system to the sun is four light years away. Just turn on a beam of light.

Four years later, the light arrives at that location. And light is very fast. And that's kind of like when you see a shooting star, the same thing, right? Oh, no, shooting stars are in our own atmosphere. Okay, so light year's not in our atmosphere. No, no, shooting stars are not actually stars. That's the problem. They're just, it's particles of dirt and meteoroid.

We call them meteoroid. They're the size of a pea, typically. But they slam into Earth at 10 miles per second, and they just burn up in our atmosphere. That's the streak of light. You see, some are big. They'll make it all the way down. And if you find it... Make it all the way down to...

To Earth's surface. Oh, okay. And if you find on the Earth's surface, then it's a... So if you see it's streak, it's a meteor, it hits the ground, meteor right. Oh. You didn't know that? No, no, no, no. I don't know anything about any of this stuff.

So if it hits the atmosphere, then it's meteor. Meteor. And then if it hits the actual land of Earth. Meteor right. Okay. Got that. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

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Okay. Go ahead and word it. It's a secret Air Force base. Okay. And it does it. And they do secret stuff. They do secret military stuff. They'll test aircraft.

And that became a convenient place for UFO and alien enthusiasts to say the government is hiding aliens there. Now let's make sure we understand the difference between a cover up, which would be a thing that happened and no one wants you to know, versus just something that's top secret. If something's top secret is not a cover up, it's just top secret, you're not going to learn about it unless someone leaks it. So it's been the supposed place where the government is stockpiling aliens. But that's never been, people have declared it. Again, you have to believe them.

But no, I want the janitor. Get the janitor. Right. With their smart, everybody's got a smartphone, high resolution, video, camera, just take pictures of the alien and then stream it out.

The janitor would lose his job immediately, but it would be the richest, most famous janitor there ever was. Well, yeah, because he wouldn't really need a job after that. That's correct. And I think once you've been a janitor, you shouldn't have to work that long anyway. Well, and it is kind of a catch-22 now because everyone says, like, why aren't we seeing all these UFOs?

Everybody's got a camera phone now. But then when you do see a video of somebody catching something strange, it's like, oh, well, that's fake. So we're living tough times now because Photoshop was the first to be able to just toss in a little saucer in your picture. but now you just, it's a command line in an AI chatbot, you know, produce a picture. So it's really hard now to bring convincing video

of an alien. So that's why you gotta kind of bring out the alien. So you would say that in your opinion, or you tell me, so Area 51 is just an area that has been designated to study this kind of extraterrestrial life. No, no, I'm saying it's to study secret air force stuff. Right, but are they-

If you want to think they got, they put aliens there, okay. But identified flying, unidentified flying objects, UFOs. The Air Force has studied UFOs like since forever. I mean, there was Project Blue Book was one of the early, there's several, but that one is perhaps the most famous of them. And what it did, it studied everybody's account of things in the sky that we didn't understand. And remember, this is the Cold War.

All right. And so just think of governmental motivation for this. if you crowdsource stuff in the sky because you can't look at every square inch of the earth and you get people to report it to you, they're your radar. They'll find stuff that the Russians might be working on. So what a brilliant way to collate what everybody thinks.

Oh, you might say, oh, they could be aliens that boosts the interest that people would place in participating in such a thing and in reporting what they find. But in the final report, they said they found nothing that couldn't otherwise be explained by natural causes, and that which couldn't be explained, there was no strong evidence that it was extraterrestrial. And so, but there have been other studies.

But meanwhile, but kind of none of that matters now because we have high-ranking people, testifying in front of Congress, whistleblowers, insiders, former military, former intelligence officers telling you, standing there flat-footed with an honest, his face, after swearing in that they got alien bodies, alien crash saucers, that they reverse engineered the thing. And so, so, okay, it's not just the farmer, you know, in the back 40. I mean, Obama admitted it on a podcast recently, and that was big news. Well, well, he said, he's scientifically literate, so he said the correct thing. He said,

he has no reason to doubt that there aren't aliens in the universe. And everyone said he's thinking aliens on earth or in the, you know. But think about it. If there was a government cover-up, surely the president would be in on it. So deciding whether a president is saying, speaking the truth, often is only a matter of whether you agree

with what the president is saying. And then you say it's the truth, right? And so for me, I just bring out the octopus. Right. Bring out the elephant. Bring out... An elephant, describing an elephant would be just as weird

as describing an octopus. Think about it. Well, when you frame it like that, I mean, you frame a lot of things in this book, which makes it so interesting. Like, say, we all have this idea because of all of the movies we've seen that have aliens in them

and the way that aliens have been... I think we're ready. We're ready for aliens. Do you think we're ready? Yeah, all the movies? We are so pumped. Bring out the... You know, show me the aliens

sitting in the corner or smoking a cigarette or something. We are so pumped, but we're not ready Because we don't have a, I don't think, based on everything you say in this book, I don't think we have a clear representation of what an alien would even fucking look like. That's correct. That's, that's correct.

Or it's- Like Donald Trump could be an alien. He could be. He could be dressed as a human. Okay, so I comment on that in there, not Trump specifically. Not Trump specifically. But if an alien were masquerading as a human, as they did in the movie Men in Black, you could do that, but you would not survive a medical exam.

Okay. your heart is in the wrong place or your... Well, what if they're able to mimic being a human being? If you mimic it, then what does it matter at that point? If it looks like a duck, acts like a dog, walks out, then just call it a duck. If you look human and you put all the organs in the right place and it's got bad breath in the morning, it's a human, right?

I mean, if something else happens weird, like its ton comes out and it's this long, you have some evidence... But what if it was operating on behalf of the whole other culture, you know, like say like Bugonia. You saw that movie like... Yes, I did see Bologna. Okay, so say that's what's happening, right? They come down.

You know what I didn't like about Bologna? Which part? No, no, it's fine, okay? I didn't have a, one part I didn't, she finally meets, she goes back to her alien friends and whatever is their spaceship. And so they're there, and they're surrounding an illustration of the flat earth. It's like, no, I'm going to give you an alien, but I'm not going to give you the flat earth. Okay.

Yeah. We have NASA. That's interesting. Why do you think they did that? Because I think they wanted to bring together multiple conspiracy theories into one narrative. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you noticed that at the end.

I didn't. Yeah. They're around a circle. I wasn't thinking about it that way. Yeah. No, I caught that immediately because the flat earthers say there's earth and then Antarctica is the edge of earth and it's around, so you can see that in there. So I think they just, they had a catch bin and they put everything in it.

But that's a spoiler alert. Well, I'll put it in a spoiler alert in audio so like, like, back for 30 seconds. We haven't seen begonia. I don't have time to accommodate these people. If they haven't seen pagonia, that's their fucking problem. Yeah, exactly. Get off your couch. Yeah, yeah.

But I like the way you posited in the beginning of the book where you're like, if aliens were to come to Earth and say, okay, take me to your leader, we might think that leader is Donald Trump. We might think that leader is Taylor Swift. We might think that leader is you. Oh, no, no. No, no. No, we know our leader is our official leaders, the Pope, the prime minister.

Right, right, right, right. But the alien might not because they're seeing our leaked radio signals and they're seeing who we worship. And there's Taylor Swift. There's Beyonce. There's people. The Dalai Lama. The airwaves. And they're thinking those are the important people.

Right. So they might expect to be taken to Taylor Swift is my only point. So what do you believe? Because the radio waves are escaping at the speed of light. So we're in the middle of a radio bubble, which is the broadcast signals of our culture, expanding at the speed of light. And it's gone out, it's about 80 light years across.

And each light years is 1,000 years? No, each light years one year. The light years is 6 trillion miles. Six trillion miles. That's how far the light is gone. Okay. So, if you've only ever been on cable, you're not in those airwaves.

If you did anything on TV, they'll get a little piece of Chelsea coming by their way. Chelsea lately is not going out, right? It was on cable, wasn't it? Yes, I was on cable. That sounded like a dig, Neil. No, no.

So, you know what else is not out there is Beavis and Butthead. I think we should be perhaps thankful for that. If the aliens' first encounter with humans are these shows, it would be just a little weird. win. Number one hits, millions of records sold, awards, sold out tours.

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No, that's the universe, 13.8 billion years. Earth came much later. Four and a half billion years. Four and a half billion years. And we spent a half a billion years very hot because we're getting slammed because the solar system is forming. And so you don't want to start the clock yet.

So nobody's alive. No, no, you can't, there's no molecule. You can't even have big molecules then. Start the clock when we're cool enough to have big molecules. Life got underway within 100 to 200 million years. Sounds like a long time, but it's 5% of the timeline of the Earth. So it's almost as soon as it could have. So A, B, we are made of the most common ingredients in the universe.

hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen. Peroxide. Yeah, so peroxide is, I think peroxide is, what is peroxide? You're not asking the right people. So we got underway quickly and we're made of the most common ingredients in the universe.

But did we get underway quickly? I thought you just said. No, no, life, life. Humans are much later. Okay, so things, organisms. A single cell organism, correct. So if that's the case, you would be inexcusably egocentric to suggest that we are alone in the universe.

Because the universe is vast. There's hundreds of billions of stars in the galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, and hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. So don't run around here saying you're the only thing happened. If we were made of some rare ingredient, you could say, we're spousy. Something special happened here, but we're not, and so you can't.

And so, yeah, no one is going to deny that there's life house. That's a separate question from whether we have been visited. And what I do in the book is I just ask other sets of questions that other people aren't. I say, all right, if we've been visited by aliens, why are they only showing up in restricted military airspace? Why are they only coming into the ground? grips of our government. The government is not everywhere. We have the whole surface of the earth. Why isn't there a crash-flying saucer in some place where there isn't a government that's going to cover it up? There's just questions I'm asking. But I, okay, I've asked these questions

too because I thought Area 51 was just stupidly, unless this is also what you're saying. I assumed, wait, why is extraterrestrial life only going to this one area in Arizona? That's my point. You would have to, you would have to, the alien would have to land, they'd have to secretly grab it, and take it to, with no one seeing this, they'd have to take it to the, now they solve that in men in black because they had that little light that you look at and then it takes away your memory of what just happened.

So they needed that solution. Or, but, or is it this or versus alien life and extraterrestrial life happens and is rampant and then they just put everything in the area 51 to study it in that little center. You have to somehow get it there, no matter where it landed. Right, so but what's the problem with that?

Oh, you mean, you get there with no one noticing it. Okay. Okay, right. And the number of people who would be in on it, there's a quote from... Somebody's going to leak. A quote from Benjamin Franklin in his almanac.

Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. He wrote that in 1785. The boy knew something about people's inability, especially juicy. You can keep a secret if it's not juicy, then no one cares. You don't have these urges to say, you want to hear a secret?

So that's why I don't have a problem imagining we're stockpiling aliens, but since we've had insiders saying that they're there, and so it's no longer a cover-up. You can't say you're covering something up if insiders are telling you you're covering it up. It's no longer a cover-up. So there. So is it too much to ask to bring out the alien? Yeah, bring it out.

Because I don't feel like, I don't think anyone, well, actually, I don't know what people think. I mean, people are about to vote for Spencer Pratt for a mayor of L.A., so I don't know what people are thinking. But as a general idea in the world, I think like extraterrestrial life and aliens is more like of an understanding now. Like, of course something else must exist. Of course we're not the only people.

That's why those who said, the reason why the government doesn't want to show, because they're afraid the public would freak out. Look at all the alien movies we've been treated to out of the creativity of our own species. Just look at, like I said, what the insiders are saying. I think it might even be anticlimactic. The alien will come and say, hey, we got better aliens in the movie.

Spielberg came up with better aliens than that. You know, so yeah, I'm just sitting back, eating popcorn, waiting for the presentation of the alien. And what are your firsthand experiences, like, that you've heard of from other people in your community that have stayed with you? Okay, so none of my colleagues have ever seen anything they could not explain.

I spent my whole life looking up. I was a geek kid from age nine. I had a telescope at age 11, age 12. And so... So you didn't have sex for a long time? It's okay. You're able to give back in other ways. Always marry an astrophysicist

because you know where they are at night. They're like that. And we used to have these geeky things, bumper stickers, nobody uses bumper stickers anymore. Speak for yourself. I love heavenly bodies, you know, this sort of thing.

black holes are out of sight. There's like the geek bumper stickers. So I care about observing the night sky. So I know about the sun, moon, stars, and planets. And I, you know what else I know about? Weather, because it gets in the way of me looking at the night sky. So I know all kinds of weather patterns, cloud patterns, what twilight light can do, how it can deceive you.

So I would say a few percent of the things that I've seen that were really weird I only knew what they were because of my extensive background in the subject, telling me that other people would just report that to the police, whatever. So, back to lower than average reporting of UFOs among people who spend their whole lives looking up. And that's the astronomy community. Because you understand what you're looking at. Like I just, I recently went to Finland and saw the northern lights. Beautiful.

And so once that was broken down. Is that your first time? Yes, it was. Imagine if you didn't know. What it was. Imagine. I would think that was alien. Yeah.

Yeah. Completely. And in fact, the very name Aurora, I think through, through, that's the official name of the Northern Lights. Aurora Borealis. And in the south it's Aurora Australis. If you didn't know that. I think it was, is it in Greek mythology? There's an aurora, a colorful.

Yeah. So it's beautiful and it's fully explained. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And another one, there are clouds. I have to be Professor Neal for a moment. Okay, you have warm moist air going horizontally across the ground

and then hits a mountain. And then the air goes up the mountain. It's cooler on mountains than it is at the bottom. If you have moist air, that moisture condenses out of the air and makes clouds. That's why it's common to see no clouds anywhere in a mountainate clouds right on top of the mountain. Those are called orographic clouds.

And depending on how they're made, they can look like a disc, like a cap on top of the mountain. Because they, not because they get stuck? Well, because that's the only place they form. Because it's cold enough there to take the moisture. Because right near this humidity in the air here, but it's not a cloud.

If you take it high up, it'll condense and make a cloud. Wait, hang on, right at the top of the mountain. Now, now the sun sets for you. So you're in darkness, but the top of the mountain still sees the sun. the setting sunlight. And so the cloud takes on this, this reddish orange hue. And you're in darkness and there's this glowing cloud at the top. That's the mothership, of course. But that my book, I have photos of this just so you can see. If, if, but if also, here, there's your book.

But why is the cold air get stuck there when heat rises? Yeah. So what happens is that sun doesn't heat the air, the sun heats the ground, and the ground heats the air, and that air will rise. And so rising air, if it has any moisture at all, eventually condenses out and makes clouds. That's why clouds are generally well above your head and not down here. A cloud can form at ground level. We have a different word for that. Isn't that great? A fog. That's just a cloud that's like on the ground. And when you're in a fog, you're never hot. Fogs are always kind of dank. and a little cool. Yeah.

Right, right. Yeah. It's not the word dink, actually. We need to be using that more. Dank, it's a great word. It's a single syllable. But if heat always rises, why are the mountaintops so cold? Oh, because.

Yeah, there's less ground around you to be heated. It's the ground that heat. You've been in an airplane. Have you seen the temperature? You know, where are you in the rude? And what's the outside temperature? It's 40 below zero outside. Uh-huh.

It's the same earth where you were just down here and it's 75 degrees. While you go up a little, you're closer to the sun. Well, has it get 40 degrees below zero. The sun is not heating the air. The sun is heating the ground. So the hottest part of Earth's atmosphere is just above the ground.

Yeah. Okay, this is good. Take a look at these clouds. Okay. Sorry, it's just in black and white. Well, that does look like a flying water. Okay. Now, imagine that twilight lit from below

because you're lower down. Your sun is set for you. It sets later for people higher up. Now on the previous page, so that cloud was made by a rocket in twilight because its rocket plume is high enough. It still sees the sun. Evidence that Earth is curved. You're high up you see. Please don't point at me when you say that.

I wasn't the one who, I didn't push that theory forward. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. I think that was Sherry Shepard or something. I was just being articulate with my finger on my hand. Yes, yes. So that's still in sunlight and you're not.

Right. So it's just glowing against a darkened sky. People freak out when they see that. That's a SpaceX launch, by the way. Oh, okay. I mean, it makes a lot of sense what you're saying is because you have a keen eye that has studied this. So when you're looking at these things

that another lay person may look at it and say, oh, what is that? That's got to be an identified flying object or what I identifyable, blah, blah, blah. You know because that most of the time... I know more than most people when I look up. Right. But that doesn't mean that some of them

may have no explanation at all. I'm not denying that, but even UFO enthusiasts recognize that most people, when they're identifying most things, will have a natural explanation. They want to sift through all of that and get to just the bottom, the few percent that might have no obvious explanation. That's all. And if those are aliens, I would then ask other questions. And but do you have, like, have you heard either in, not from any of my colleagues?

Nothing. You've never heard anything that you were. We're like, oh my God, this is my, this is blowing my mind. Yeah, I have a cousin who, while in Puerto Rico, said that there was a spaceship that was hovering over the nearby homes, and it stayed there for a while, and then it shot off into the distance. And I don't know him to hallucinate. He did like drugs at the time, but not. To that extent. Yeah, so do many people, but they're not talking that way, right?

And so, and he said someone else saw it with him. So, okay, okay, that was the early 1970s. You realize there were only two kinds of people who carry cameras back then. Tourists and journalists. We didn't have cameras. In fact, most people, you were in show business. Most other people are photographed once a year for the school picture. Okay, that's it.

So access to cameras. So all I'm saying is, if that happens again, take out your smartphone. Video it. I have a colleague who's head of a committee who said, appointed by Congress, by the way, he wants to set up a, do I call it a task force, an app that everybody has on their phones. If you see something, you go inside the app and when you take pictures in the app, all the metadata is preserved. What direction you were looking, the elevation, the altitude, the color balance, all of this. So there's multiple people do it.

you can triangulate on the thing that you saw and establish its authenticity and not being something in your head. Even without that, everybody's got a high-resolution phone. We don't have pictures of people getting abducted. Why not? It was all the rage in the 70s.

Everybody's getting abducted. There's stories written about in the papers and the National Enquirer. That's half their sales. We're talking about abducted people getting abducted by aliens. So show me the alien walking towards you, abducting you, and live stream it. That'll go viral. Kitten videos go viral for less, right?

I feel like though if there are aliens and they are so much more intelligent than we are, since they're the ones studying us, not the other way around, then they would be able to make sure that that footage never was released. That's what they said in the days when they had cameras. They said, oh, it did take pictures, but they blanked out the camera. Right, right, right. But if you're live streaming, okay, you see it, and you start live streaming, that's,

and the app would probably make that easier, by the way. So here's another thing. There used to be these flying saucers along the roadside that people had pictures of it. Again, why would you have a picture of it? Because no one had cameras. But let's say you did happen to have a camera. And so there's a flying saucer there.

It was clear as day. There it is. Usually dark against the light sky. And all those went away. when cars stopped using hubcaps. There are no roadside flying saucers, pictures of roadside. Hubcaps, these were separate things from your wheel

that you'd hammered on and they were kind of decorative sometimes. And every road is guaranteed to have a pothole. You hit the pothill, you lose a hubcap. You don't even know it. And so the hubcops were strewn along the freeways. And so if you find one and fling it, take a picture, you've got a UFO.

We don't have those anymore since cars don't have a UFO. So then what is your... What do you think now? I think people took pictures of hubcaps. But what do you think now? So do you think there is not an intelligent life like other, in other places? Sure, in other places.

But we just haven't witnessed it. Like what do you, what's your assessment of the situation? Bring out the aliens. There are people who say they've witnessed it. And so we've taken away the surprise factor because of that and people of high rank. There's a nearly two hour documentary on this. The day of disclosure just came out like last year,

and the end of last year. a whole parade of people, including government officials. So I'm tired of hearing people ask, do you believe in aliens? Bring out the aliens, and then no one has to ask that question again. You don't have to believe in octopuses. You don't have to believe in elephants.

Do you believe we have aliens that we're holding or hiding in this country? I don't like to believe in things that I have to believe in to believe. Okay. and copy that. Okay, let's pivot. Did that sentence make sense?

Yes, yes. It actually did. It felt like it makes sense while I was saying. Yeah, we did. It did. And it's going to have a lasting impact, that sentence. Okay, okay. A reverberation, if you will.

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But I feel like you need to dive into quantum theory. Oh, yeah. We've got weather. I cherish. adults who are curious. Let's talk about quantum physics. Break it down. Bring it on.

Break down what that means. Okay, so you want a little primer on quantum? Yeah, to make it digestible for our audience and our listeners. This has been an ongoing kind of curiosity of mind because I can't really seem to wrap my head around it. So I was looking forward to seeing you today. Let's start out with the, I forgot who said this, famous physicist. It might have been Max Planck.

who said, the day you understand quantum physics is the day you can be sure that you don't. Okay. Because everything about it is weird. You know, to you, what makes sense? What makes sense to you? We were forged in the plains of the Serengeti trying to not get eaten by lions.

So that's how we evolved. So we have a certain sense about that. Something with big teeth is chasing you, you run the opposite direction. You pretty much don't have to think about that. All right. That's what forged our senses. When the microscope and the particle accelerator got us to very small form manifestations of nature, whole other laws of physics revealed themselves that we didn't evolve under.

Yes, it matters in us in our molecules, but in our molecules. our sense, our sensory system does not experience it. And so it's not part of what we call common sense. I just want to start with that. Okay. Common sense. It's not common sense. It's common sense that I let something go and it drops.

Okay. Gravity, you push something at moves. And it's also common sense is an understanding that we all share. Yes, because we're all growing up in the same world. Right. All right. So here's what we find. You're sitting there.

If I shine light on you to take a picture. you're still sitting there. Okay? That's because you are much bigger than the photons of light that are striking you. Okay. Okay? So they hit you, they reflect off, they go to my camera, there's Chelsea. And Chelsea and Chelsea and Chelsea seven times on your wall.

Okay. What happens if I make you smaller? Half this size, a hundredth this size, a billionth this size. Here's what happens. The moment you're the size of particles and I say, is the particles sitting there on the couch? Let me find out. And I shine light on it.

The photon hits the particle. The particle pops to another state of existence. You don't have access to matter on that scale because to even know what it's doing requires shining light on it, popping it into some other place, some other state of its own existence. And so what it means is when we describe matter

at its smallest scales, we describe it statistically. The particle is somewhere there. And you want to find out exactly where it is? You can shine light on it, but it's going to be somewhere else. You just keep doing this, you can create a statistical understanding of nature at that scale. And Einstein hated that. He said on multiple occasions,

God does not play dice with the universe. Statistic. And so it turns out Einstein is wrong. What the universe doesn't play is poker. Okay. It'll play dice. The universe doesn't play poker. So that's one feature of very tiny particles.

We are so big, it doesn't do that to us. It just doesn't. Okay. Another thing, that particle can behave as a particle and as a wave. that's kind of weird we have no way to wrap our brain around that we tried we tried inventing a new word wavicle never caught on you ever hear that word no never caught on i thought it had a chance i thought it back in the 70s maybe 60 i thought it had a chance never caught on wavicle because you now have to put in your head the existence of something

in two completely different manifestations of itself simultaneously. That's not how everyday life works. You're not sitting there as a human being one moment and a, you know, at a candle in the next moment, not knowing which you are at any... No, you are persistently this. But a wave particle duality is fundamental to quantum physics.

Meaning that the two things can be happening, with your person at the same time or with any matter to the particle, to matter, matter. I feel bad my foot came off the couch. Well, you feel bad for your foot. Or your foot that is a particle. So other things it does. You can create two particles at the same time

because matter and energy are interchangeable. So you can take energy, the E equals... Matter and energy are interchangeable. E equals MC squared since 1905. Right. We've understood that. Okay. And so one just, so that's another duality thing.

It's just the same thing, different sides of the same coin, matter and energy. So a particle, you can take energy and create a pair of particles that are complementary to each other, a matter, anti-matter pair. The other ways you can create particles in this way and then separate them. They know about each other. they, I don't wanna call them the same particle, I'm gonna say they're entangled with each other. Because of proximity.

Because of how we made them. Right. How we create it. Now we can put one here and the other one across the room. If I make a measurement on this particle, I will immediately know the properties of the other particle with which it was entangled because it has complementary properties. And so, was there a limit to this distance?

No. they can be quantum entangled across the universe. And when you measure one, the other one gets known instantly. So this is something moving faster than the speed of light. In the vacuum of space, they're what we call virtual particles,

pairs that come in and out of existence, and they're entangled. I spoke with a colleague of mine who studies this. He said there's emergent thought that the entangled particles are connected via wormholes, and that those wormholes are the stitching in the fabric of space time. So it's like, whoa, okay.

So again, this is quantum physics, just being out there. By the way, there is no creation, storage, and retrieval of digital information without the quantum. The entire IT revolution exists because we figure. how quantum physics worked 100 years ago in the 1920s. Watershed decade in science. Oh my gosh. The 1920s. Oh my God, if you had to pick a decade in the history of our species, that's the decade.

Because in that decade, we discovered that the whole universe is not just the stars of the night sky. There are whole other galaxies that have stars of their own. But aren't we still discovered? I mean, I don't want to throw any shade to the 1920s. It's not a matter of the number of these things. things, it's the nature of the truth. Okay. Okay. The nature of the truth is the stars of the night sky are not the entirety of our universe. There are other groupings of stars out there that are galaxies just like ours. But they're far away that just looks like fuzz. And there are billions of those.

Hundreds of billions of those. And we don't, we haven't even discovered all of them. Well, we've seen them, but we don't go there because we can't. Okay. So there's that. That was 1923 in the mid-20s. Then And 1929, Edwin Hubble, the man, discovers that these galaxies are flying apart from each other. So that we're in an expanding universe. And in the 1920s, we discover what particles do when poked and prodded. And we came to finally understand the atom. That is quantum physics. And all of our electronics depends on it.

It exploits it. It understands it. It uses it. And so... So what is the particle to the atom? Oh, right. So you have an electron in a traditional atom, and then you have the nucleus,

which will have protons and neutrons typically. Okay, nucleus. Protons have a positive charge, electrons. Negative. So you'd think they would, ah, you would think the electron would just collapse into the nucleus because it's got opposite charges attract, right? But no, it stays out here.

And we so desperately wanted the atom to look like the solar system? It was, wait a minute, there's a nucleus and their electrons going around it. Maybe it's the solar system all over again, but just on a small scale. And so you look close, it's like, no. The electron is not orbiting. It's like hanging out in these clouds described by the wave that it also is. Okay?

But so badly did we want to analogize it to the solar system that we call it. not an orbit, but an orbital. So electrons are in orbitals around the nucleus of the atom. So now you have an atom. Electrons can come and go, so the, but the atom is the nucleus and the electrons. Then the electrons can share their orbitals

with other atoms. They can give one, donate, share, then you make a molecule. So molecule is more than one atom joined. Okay. what's completely mind-fuck, okay? Hydrogen is a flammable gas. Oxygen promotes fire. Okay? No smoking near oxygen tanks. You put them together, it makes H-2O, which is water, which extinguishes fires. Wow.

Take sodium, a metal that's soft enough to cut with a knife that's explosive if you put it in water. In fact, labs are always immersed in oil. It would explode if you put it in water. Chlorine, a deadly poisonous gas used in chemical warfare in the First World War. Chlorine gas, okay? You take sodium, combine it. with chlorine, and you get table salt, sodium chloride. So the behavior of molecules is so different from the individual behavior of the atoms

themselves. It's like a circus. Yeah. And this is why chemistry is an entire field unto itself. And all that is enabled, empowered, and manifested because of rules of quantum physics. So when we talk about something like, I think what we've been talking about more on this show has been like simulations, right? With regard when we talk about, I think we kind of mistake, we think we're talking about

quantum physics, but we're actually not. Because when people talk about time travel or space travel, like what purview does that fall under? Yeah, I mean, you can travel forward in time using Einstein's relativity. And do you believe in that? Oh, no, no, we can, we've, that's real. We're doing it right now. It's, well, we're traveling forward in time one second.

Per second, yes. But we are prisoners of the present, forever transitioning between our inaccessible past and our unknowable future. And so the Holy Grail in there would be to step out of that prison cell and access your timeline, either forward or backwards. I talk about that in a book as a possible alien power, where their relationship with time is different from ours. And if they're living in like a fourth, a higher dimension,

then you know how you can move around in this room, up, down, left, right, and you can repeat that. All right, you're not a prisoner in any given spot. Imagine your timeline stepping out of it and then rejoining it. And then you can, someone said, well, when were you born? No, I'm always being born right then. When did you die?

I'm always dying right here. And I'm always doing all these things at all times. So it changes how you think about time. Now, with Einstein's relativity, if you go fast, time will tick more slowly for you than people back here on Earth. So that when you come back, you might have aged, depending on how fast you go, you could age a year, and Earth would have aged 10 years.

This was famously shown in the movie Interstellar. Did you see that film? I did, but I don't really remember that film. Yeah, it's a lot of really crazy science-y stuff. But his theory of relativity, means that you can travel to the future. Yes. But you can't go backwards.

No, you can't go backwards. Right. You can travel into the future of the people who used to, you were hanging out with. Okay. Okay. And how? Because when you're traveling fast, time ticks more slowly for you. But traveling fast at the speed of light fast?

Well, speed of light time stops. So you don't want to go that fast. Okay. You want to go. 99%. Well, you don't even, just half. Half of that. Be greedy.

But how are you, how are you traveling like that? You're a spaceship. You have to. to be in a spaceship or a rocket. I presume, otherwise, you know, space is not very, very good for you. But, I mean, people in space aren't time traveling when they're in space. They are. They traveled.

So astronauts moving five miles per second. That's how fast they are in the International Space Station. Oh, okay. That's small compared to the speed of light, but you can calculate when they come back how much younger they are compared with a twin that they might have left on Earth. No way. And so you can say, well, is it just a theory? How do we know?

Wait, wait. They're younger than their counterpart. Because they didn't age as fast. So therefore they're young. Yeah, they're not younger than when they left. They're just not as old as they would have been had they stayed on Earth. Oh, wow. Yeah, I know, I know.

I know. But if you can go forward, then you should be able to go backward. Well, except. Scott Bacula did promise us this in quantum leap. I mean, but every. The issue is going back in time because, so suppose you go back in. in time and prevent your parents from meeting each other. That would be a great idea, by the way.

Or, as was shown in at least one film, and I forgot which one it was, might have even been a rival. If you go back in time and delay your parents for having sex for 10 minutes, probably a different sperm would have fertilized the egg, and you would be someone else. You'd be one of your siblings, but not you. But I bet I'd still have a podcast. So it doesn't require the gore of The Terminator to kill people to prevent someone from being born. Just prevent two people from meeting.

Watch. If you did that, then you'd never have been born to have gone back in time to prevent them from meeting each other. Oh. Just think it through. Yeah. Think it through. So there is a paradox of backwards time travel. that is not entirely resolvable unless the universe splits into a whole other world.

And so they're the multi-universe people who think this way. They did talk a little bit about that in dark matter, Blake Crouch's novel. And then there was a show that came out last year or last couple years where, you know, he is sort of, it's a multiverse thing. He's like, well, in this other universe, my wife and I conceived our child a few minutes different. And it's like a boy instead of a girl or it's, you know, totally different. So in that way, whatever timeline you disrupted, it became its own timeline in its own future. So because you would have prevented your parents from meeting and therefore you would not have

been born to go back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, the only real way out of that is to have the universe split and you create a whole other timeline of events. But why does going back in time necessarily preclude you from being born? Only if you happened either on purpose or by accident prevented your parents from meeting each other. But isn't it a scientific theory? And maybe it's not. You tell me that for every thought or every action, there's a reaction. Well, in forces, yeah, there's a force.

There's an opposing force. Correct. Right. So if you could go into the future, you could go to the past. Yeah, except it's not so much that you're stepping out of your timeline and then rejoining the future. your time is just going more slowly. It's going forward for everyone. I get that.

I understand that. But just at a different rate. That's not the same thing as stepping out and rejoining. Okay. Yeah, because to your point, if you could do that, then why not go to the past? But if you go back to the past, you're going back to a predestined event. Event. Whereas the future is unknown.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So now, Stephen Hawking came out with a chronology protection. conjecture, which is he's suggesting that maybe one day in the future, we will discover a law of physics that says why that's impossible to happen. And what is that called? A chronology protection.

Erection. Protection erection. It's quite a tongue twister. Yeah, I didn't say erection. I said erection. I did not come out of my mouth. No, I know. Don't worry.

I won't pin that on you. Okay. So this time travel thing is it's no end of. storytelling and science fiction. People love it. Now here's here's a scenario that I just want you to think about. There's a hypothetical particle called a tachyon from the Greek root tachios which is fast like tachometer measures how fast your engine is turning. So so we invented that word for this hypothetical particle that lives faster than the speed of light. Okay. If it did that it would live backwards

time. So let's look at what that world would be like. And let's assume one day in the future, we harness these tachions. And I can send you a text with tachions. You would then get the text before I sent it. That's kind of cool. So watch what happens. You're my friend. I care about you. You're walking down the walkway, and you slip on a banana peel and get hurt. And I say, okay, I can prevent that from happening. All I have to do is text you with tachions. So do you get a text before that happened? Okay, so watch what happens.

I send you the text and I say, Chelsea, watch out for the banana peel. While you're reading the text, you step on the banana peel because you weren't looking where you were going. So the banana peel fate is built into that timeline. Okay. because it already happened?

Because it already happened. Because in a way, I made it happen. I created that loop. And there's something called a gin particle. Since you're going there, I'm going to take you all the way. Okay. Can you go all the way? You got this?

Take me to the river. Okay. A gin particle is a something that was never created nor destroyed. It only exists in a time loop. And it's freaky to think about this. Do you remember the movie somewhere in time. There's a love story that Christopher Reeve in it. Okay. If not, let's go to... Message in a bottle? No. Well, let me describe this somewhere in time just because it's so romantic.

He's a professor at a university, and an elderly woman comes up to him and hands him a beautiful jeweled locket and says, come to me, come back to me, and then she disappears. And he gathers. there's some information, like, what is this? It goes to a physics professor, a friend of his, and said, she was around 60 years ago, and she is asking you to come visit her when they're in their 20s, okay? And, but I don't know how to time travel, but this professor has a way to time travel. So he time travels, goes back and meets her.

She doesn't know who he is, but she said, come back and meet me. So he meets her in this like beach hotel and they befriend one another. They fall in love. And he so much feels for her, he gives her this locket that she had given him in the future. And she cherishes that until she hands it back to him 60 years later. It's a beautiful love story. No action or anything. No chase scenes.

It's just a, you know, it's, it's, it's, And so that locket was never created nor destroyed. It only exists in this loop. You see what I'm saying? Okay, and the back to the future, Michael J. Fox's version of that is, I presume we remember this movie. Okay, he's at the school dance.

Yeah. And he's performing Johnny Be Good. And the person who was hired to be the band that night is the cousin, of Chuck Berry. Okay? And so he hears Michael J. Fox's character, Marty, perform this. And he calls up Chuck Berry.

It's Chuck, Chuck, this is your cousin, Marion. Or whatever, not Marion, Marion, Mary, Barry was your mayor here. Whatever guy's name was. Marvin. Marvin, thank you. I was close. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, this is your cousin, Marvin. This is that sound you've been looking for.

And he puts the phone out to the stage, and he hears Johnny Be Good, played by Michael J. Fox. There it is. Johnny Be Good was never written. It exists in this time loop. Right. You've only given us two examples in movies. I know, because it's a more subtle, but for me, highly interesting example of how a time line can trap something in a loop. So that would be a time warp, right?

No? Next week I'm seeing Rocky Horror on Broadway. Yeah, time warp. Anyhow, so time, it's fun to talk about time. And in the chapter, alien powers, I explore the powers that aliens have had in famous movies and to mind reading. And I look at what's the physics of it. How would that manifest? What you should be cautious of?

If they can put a thought in your head, game over. Well, it feels like that's already happening, but it's not aliens. It's just computers. Yeah. But computers and algorithms. I mean, that is putting a thought in your head. So we've already displayed our susceptibility. Right.

But if they can do that neurologically, game over. So do you know what can prevent electromagnetic penetration of your head? A metal shield over your head. Because electromagnetic energy can't pass through. the metal, okay? Okay, which is the tinfoil hat. The tinfoil hat. All right, well I guess you're gonna,

did you bring some of those before you leave? I mean, we only had an hour, but it feels like I talked to you for 30 seconds. I think I'm in a time warp. Yeah. So the tinfoil hat would resist penetration of electromagnetic energy, which is what they would need to use

to read your mind because your mind is creating electromagnetic. We know we generate brain because you have electrochemical activity in the brain. And in principle, that's readable? In principle, an advanced alien technology, why wouldn't they just be able to read it like that? So, but you can't cheat physics. And the physics, you can't send waves through metal.

So the tin foil hat, which of course, in the old days was made of tin, now it's aluminum. Aluminum foil hat is what you would need in order to not have an alien's either read your mind or implant your mind with their thoughts. Well, and also it's confusing now because artificial intelligence AI has become such a big part of our culture and our future. And that's what our, it's like AI is being blurred or blunted by, by other AI. Like now we have, we have, we have, we have self-made. Yeah, AI is AIing itself. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So in there I talk about a sufficiently intelligent alien would chuckle at our AI because for us, our great measure of our AI was, can you simulate our intelligence? But an alien that's much more intelligent than us would just laugh at that. Right, because why do you want to do that if we're so done? Wait, I'm way beyond you anyway. How charming that is. Pride is like love.

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well into adulthood long after childhood because the real dip is coming out of elementary school. You go into middle school and high school. The kids have such charming curiosity and then it goes. I think gonads kick in, you know, and it's like there's a gap. Yeah. Maybe it resurrects again. I think it does. In college. I think the classroom isn't always the best place for learning for so many people. It is. You're right. Just the environment. Like sometimes you just have to like, there's so many other social aspects and like things that can distract you that you really, like I know like I, yeah, I think a lot of my friends also feel the same way where you become curious when it's not, when you're not being forced to. Oh, okay, because then it would naturally

gurgle up within you and it's not being suppressed for social reasons or anything else. Yeah. Now I have the patience to learn. Whereas before I was like trying to forget a boyfriend in school. I had other things going on. You know, there's a pecking order. I was trying to get to the top of it. So there was other distractions. Right, right. That's what I'm saying.

So I think a person who retains their curiosity through there and into college, I think they're primed to become scientists because then the world is your oyster. Right. And if you care that other people are as excited as you, then you become an educator on top of that. Love it. Yeah. Love it. There it is.

Great. Awesome. Nice to see you again. I love your work. Right back at you. You are, you are, just stay, stay, stay, on top of things. I'll stay on top of things.

Stay irreverent. I will, no problem there. We need that. Yeah, we do need it. We do, we do. It'd be great if I, I mean, I'm actually looking forward to aliens coming and rescuing us and just being like, listen, we're so sorry about all of this. Yeah, yeah.

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