Dear Chelsea - Arbitrarily Ruthless with Ed Helms

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Chelsea’s pal Ed Helms shows up to talk about why the US government bought the world’s supply of LSD, his love of historical blunders, and the best way to go heli-skiing.  Then: An actor wrestles with the choice to give up his day job. A coworker divulges her previous bad behavior at the office.  And a brokenhearted yachtie finds her footing on dry land.    * Pick up a copy of Ed’s new book SNAFU! * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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with some of my girlfriends, and I love getting away with my girlfriends. Oh, nice. Where'd you go in Mexico? Uh, we went to Cancun. We've got, like, a few hotels that we go to, and they just opened up a brand new one, so we went to their brand new one. It was fantastic.

Nice, nice. I'm in Europe, you guys. I am in Paris, Grand Paris, or Great Paris. I'm not really sure how you say it. Gay Paris. Gay Paris, guys. Oh, that's it. Of course my husband would get that one.

And we're having a hell of a time. I'm with Molly, my cousin, Yamanika, Eric, my tour manager, who we call Erica. And I have shows coming up in Brussels. I'm in Brussels on May 17th. I'm in Amsterdam on May 18th, and then Oslo on May 19th. And I have managed to keep my shit together in Europe. So far, so good, right?

Yes, and we've adjusted to the time. We had three days in Reykjavik right? Yes, we've adjusted to the time. We had three days in Reykjavik and we, and yeah, we're ready to rumble. So we're getting it all in. We're getting it all in. I've been reading lots of books on my flights. Yes, I'm just a happy camper, very happy. We'll do a little mini-sode soon

with a roundup of all the books you've been reading and can recommend. Okay, wonderful, wonderful. And our guest today, you know, from The Office and the Hangover movies, he has a new book called Snafu, the definitive guide to history's greatest screw ups. It is out now and it's very enjoyable.

Please welcome actor, comedian and writer, Ed Helms. Hi, Ed Helms. I ran into Ed recently. We were in, where were we? Oh, we were in Austin, right? South by Southwest at the I Had Podcast Awards. Yeah, that's right. We were at the I Had Pasta Awards.

The pasta awards. We were talking about all of your credits, but you missed that conversation. We were talking about where all people would know you from. Places like the Hangover, the Office, the Vacation Reboot Movie, The Daily Show. Were you a correspondent on The Daily Show? Yeah, I was a correspondent from 2002 to 2006.

I forgot about that one. I forgot that you did that. I mean, it was, I made a huge impact. Well, yeah. And it was, no, actually it was a pretty incredible time because it was the W years. And there was a chunk of time there where it was just Colbert, me, Cordray, and Sam Bee

were the four correspondents. And it was a hell of a lot of fun and an unbelievable amount of work. Like it almost broke me. Yeah, yeah. Do you ever think that you wish you were doing that during this kind of administration? No, never.

I don't either. It's too much garbage to talk about all the time. It's too overwhelming. John goes on once a week now and absolutely crushes it. And I love it. And the other correspondents now also host the show for the rest of the week, which I think is a great format because it like gets the because it really builds the,

I don't know, the communal vibe of the show. They're killing it. It's so good, I'm gonna leave it to them. Ed, I don't wanna sound sexist right now, but I just wanna say, since women are allowed to talk about men in this way now, because you guys had your way with us, I just wanna say that you've had some sort of glow up.

And I don't wanna sound condescending or patronizing in any way, but I just want to say that you've had some sort of glow up. And I don't want to sound condescending or patronizing in any way, but I just want to say you've burst into manhood in such a way. And I think I told you this at the iHeart Podcast Awards, but you really look very handsome. Your hair, you've taken off the glasses. You're very debonair almost, I want to say. All right. All right. Well, I finally went through puberty. That almost, I want to say. All right, all right. Yeah, so you're-

Well, I finally went through puberty, so. That's what I was, yeah, that's what I was getting to. I was like, have you gone through, it feels like you must have hit it late and that you hit it hard. Can I tell you something? I just turned 50. First of all, I really appreciate you saying that.

And I just turned 50, well, a little over a year ago. So I'm 51 now. So now you're 51. But I'm still, in my head, I just turned 50. And I just kind of, I'm like healthier than I've ever been. I don't know, I'm eating so much better. I'm more active. I also have two little kids that keep me

like very much on my toes. Have you done paternity tests for the children? No, why should I? Just to make sure you're their father. I mean, yeah, why wouldn't you? Should, why wouldn't I? Yeah. Because I'm pretty sure I'm their dad.

Yeah, but that's not 100% guarantee. You know that's not. Wait, what are you doing? You're just lobbing doubt into my long-term marriage? I'm just putting things out there. I just want you to be, you know, have all the information. I don't know that you do have do. What an arbitrarily ruthless thing to just like

grow into a conversation. Have you had a paternity? Arbitrarily ruthless is a good, I like that. That's great. I like that combo platter. You would also know Ed Helms from his podcast because it's called Snafu, just like his new book that's out, it's called Snafu, just like his new

book that's out, it's called Snafu, which is a great book to have around the house. And I would even, Catherine even suggested to have in your bathroom. It's a perfect bathroom book. It's a perfect bathroom book. I'm not judging. Read it anywhere you want. And it's, and you're right, actually, it is a good bathroom book because it's so episodic, right?

It's Snafu, the definitive guide to history's greatest screw ups, and each chapter is a different historical screw up. So yeah, it's perfect. If you got five minutes here, just pick up, read a few pages, enjoy. Might even help get things moving, I don't know. Absolutely, I mean, it is.

It's a very relaxing book because I mean, and it's very interesting. I mean, you're a big history buff and you kind of take all of history's blunders and talk about them, not all of them, but I mean, who could count all of them? I mean, can you imagine what's gonna happen after this administration in a hundred years

when people, I mean, if there's still a planet and people can reflect? This is a great piece of, this book is comprised of lots of stuff that nobody, I mean, what I've read so far, none of these stories I've ever heard. So it's very interesting. I, of course, was drawn to the LSD story immediately. There you go. Let me just read the title of that chapter or the caption for that chapter. In the 1950s, the CIA scientists secretly bought the entire world supply of LSD, embarking on a horrific attempt to discover the secrets

to mind control. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's the story of MKUltra, which a lot of people know. It's a relatively out there incident, but yeah, Sidney Gottlieb was this CIA scientist who just started drugging people. And George White was one of his underlings who actually, this is so insane.

This was all under like official government activity. They built a apartment in San Francisco that had a double wall with a glass mirror where he could sit there and watch and he had sex workers bring customers back and then they would drug these customers and presumably also have their sexy time and he was just sort of taking notes and God knows what else behind this double mirror and this was all in the name of science. Your tax dollars at work. Your tax dollars. And at the end of it, when it was all exposed, they came clean like we actually gathered

zero scientific data from this. Yeah, this just sounds like a guy jerking off behind a wall. It does. It's pretty much- And so I don't know why, so I don't like the way it besmirches LSD's reputation. You know what I mean?

Why did LSD have to be involved in this? This guy was just trying to get his rocks off. When I read this, I was like, where does the LSD even come into play that you're able to control someone sexually via LSD? Well, there was a big, LSD was so new, and there was this sort of international competition with the Soviets, like the Cold War was flaring up.

Is mind control a weapon that we can use or is LSD Maybe this crazy truth serum like how how does it affect people and can we weaponize it or use it in in? advantageous ways and Yes, it just devolved into like a guy jerking off behind a glass mirror Like watching people and it's so much darker than that too. Like they wound up drugging like watching people. And it's so much darker than that too. Like they wound up drugging prisoners, they wound up drugging people that they would go into bars

and drug people and then observe them for hours afterwards and just basically watch them melt down on these crazy acid trips that they had no idea that they were going on. People thought they were going insane. And this is a very weird factoid, Whitey Bulger, who is the famous Boston mob boss, who recently died. When he was in federal prison in Atlanta,

I think in the 60s, he agreed to be experimented on in this way. And for months, he was given these intense psychedelics. And he says that it gave him these like violent visions for the rest of his life. Like he would have horrible nightmares and violent visions. So I don't know, maybe the CIA helped create the monster that Whitey Bulger became.

I would just also like to say, this is not how LSD is anymore. You don't have to take LSD like this. LSD can be microdosed. I'm a big proponent of microdosing LSD. This is not a microdose. This is- No, those are probably like mega-doses.

No, these are mega-doses. Yeah. These are mega-doses. And they're also involuntary and they're in terrible contexts. Torturous. Imagine being put on that. Literally.

Yeah. Literally torturous. So wait, I am so curious about this. I've never done like a serious, I've never had like a serious psychedelic experience and I want you to tell me what I should do. Like how do I dip my toe into this? Cause I'm fascinated by it and I kind of want to.

I mean, microdosing is kind of like a whole new world Ed. Like it just, you could easily take one on a work day, take a microdose of LSD, you could even rip it in half. They're little paper tablets like they've always been. But I get mine from Canada. I get all the best drugs from Canada, the purest drugs, I should say, from Canada. But microdose really changes the game because then you don't ever have to feel like you're being overwhelmed or you have to go sit down in a corner while you get, you know, like you don't feel that way. And just like watch the clock and you're like, I'm going to be okay.

Yeah, it's not like that. I don't want anybody sitting in a corner. I don't want anyone freaking out, but I do think of it as like an enhancement, like a life enhancement or performance enhancement, especially if I'm outdoor exercising, if I'm on a big bike ride or if I'm on a big ski day, I love to take a little LSD. It just is like, it's like an upper of energy, enthusiasm, calm, like it makes you less nervous

if I'm going heli-skiing. Like it just really intensifies your focus in a way that is beneficial to your experience. Who are you? I actually write that down because what did I just say? It feels like I'm on LSD right now and I'm not. Now would you have him start with LSD or like try a mushroom situation first?

Well I think they're all different. Like mushrooms are good too. I'm more into the LSD right now just because it's had such a positive impact on so many people in my life. The MDMA is different. MDMA, some people can have a great reaction to that. That's also a microdose.

But MDMA to me is the love drug. So that's a heart opener. And what I love, Ed, about all these drugs is that they kill the ego. So there's no ego. Like you're just like open instead of any sort of negative thoughts or just kind of eradicated. Like even people you dislike, you like when you're on these drugs. And I think that really just says it all.

So a lot of couples counseling, like a lot of couples will have MDMA guided couples counseling because when you take the MDMA, there's no defensiveness. You're both just open to hearing the other person's argument. So there's been a lot of success. And the reason why I was drawn to it in the first place, and I don't really, I don't know if I have massive PTSD to anything, but is that it's helped so many people with PTSD, so many veterans, so many people

who've been through bad experiences. And that's scientific, I mean, like the data's there. So, yeah, you can't argue with that. And, you know, I think we're in a place where, you know, drugs come on the scene in the way that you describe in your book, in this chapter. And then over this period of time, look where we've come. You know, we've realized, okay, that's too much,

this is the right amount. So it's like any other substance, you have to figure out what the right balance is. Yeah, wow. But I'm an advocate. That's so fascinating, and I'm so curious, and I have had friends, you know, do the MDMA couples counseling

and had wonderful experiences and I had a lot of friends in college just kind of having fun with various psychedelics and I've always been a little bit, I don't know, intimidated or something. But microdosing feels like a nice, a good baby step. Because I do want to, I just want to kind of like, I don't know, mix it up a little bit.

I like what you're saying. If it allows me to go hella-skiing, then yeah. I'm hella on board. So. Where did you go to college at? Oberlin College in Ohio. That used to be, well I know Oberlin, yeah that's a very well respected school.

I thought that was a women's college. Did it used to be a women's college? No No, in fact, it's the first College in the United States to admit women. Oh, so yeah, that's one of its claims to fame It's always been a very progressive kind of intellectually Exciting place and it has a conservatory of music as well the Oberlin Conservatory That is a world-renowned, you know music study place and what did you study there? Did you study? Did you study acting? No, I mean I did I took I was in some plays and took some acting classes, but I

Studied I cut out of a funny academic journey. I started out- Gynecology? Yeah, I was like, guys, I want to be a gynecology major. They're like, we don't have that. You can't do that. And I was like, well, here's my notes. You can't major in gynecology since when? I was kidding. So I said, I wanted to be a geology major

because I loved being outdoors. I was kind of like, I loved camping and hiking and all these things. I was like, geology, that's the that's what geologists do for a living. And then I got into the hard science courses and I was like, this is terrible. I am not cut out for this. And I kind of did a gut check and I really wanted to make movies and be in movies and work on movies. And so I became a film major, but Oberlin didn't really have that at the time.

They do now. But at the time they had a film minor. And so I was able to do this weird thing where you design your own major and I cobbled together like different acting classes and directing, you know, theater directing with the film courses. And then I spent a semester at the NYU film school. One spring, I spent the whole semester there and that was so, so cool and eye opening. And so I graduated with a kind of made up major that was, was a, basically a film major. Well, that's nice that they were able to get, you're able to do that.

There's not a lot of schools that allow you to make up your own major. You really have to make it sound legit. But I was always a good kind of salesman. I could like, you know, charm the committee and then, and it worked. I got, yeah, I graduated. Yeah, yeah. Well, you did. I mean, you've been entertaining us for a long time.

I like that you're able to marry your careers together and do this kind of stuff that you're really interested in. in also this historical stuff While being very entertaining. I also I I worked closely with Zach Galifianakis for a while on the road Well, not as long as you did on the hangover but on the road and I have I have a great Zach Galifianakis story that I shared Recently about him. Well, I have a couple of Zakk Eliphanakis stories, but I want to know about your experience working with Zakk Eliphanakis, because I think Zakk is probably the funniest person I know.

He's the- Don't say nothing. I think you're right. I think he's the funniest person. He reminds me of a human snuffle-upagus, and that's not only because his scalp also isn't quite set to the top of his head.

He doesn't have a hard scalp, he has a baby scalp. I've tugged on it, I haven't seen him in years, but when I was spending time with him, I couldn't, he'd always be like touch my scalp and it was always soft. You know how baby scalps are soft while they're forming? And they've got that little- Like the skull? Yeah, yeah, and they've got that little spot

where until it doesn't really get hard. Sure. His has never hardened, so I'm not sure what kind of creature he is. Well, he's a Snuffleufagus, like you said. Yeah. He's a human Snuffleufagus. I love a Sesame Street reference. Thank you for bringing that in.

Yeah, no problem. Absolutely. It's history. I read somewhere that someone described Oscar Wilde as the sharpest wit they had ever known, and that he was the fastest with a zinger or a comeback or just a quip or a joke or a comment on a moment. And that's Zach.

I've never seen the speed that he, like, delivers a quip off of a situation, like, or you say something dumb, and he, like, instantly has the kind of zinger or comeback. And it's not always a zinger, like, a kind of mean-spirited thing. Sometimes it's just a silly, ridiculous thing, but it's sharp and it's smart and it's so fast. Like, his brain is just in a different gear than everyone else's.

It's sort of like when Keanu Reeves in The Matrix, like, realizes he's the one, and all of a sudden, he's like, everyone else is in slow motion because they're in reality and he's just like, oh, this is easy. That's how I think Zach's comedy brain works. He's just ahead of everybody else. And Todd used to, Todd Phillips,

the director on The Hangover, sometimes he direct from afar. Like a lot of directors, he would sort of sit at the monitors or somewhere sort of off to the side with his own little monitor, and he'd call out things to us. And then Zach would always kind of zing back at him. And Todd was just like, always like,

unbelievable, unbelievable. He just has the quickest way. Dryest and the driest. Because he's never laughing at himself. No. And he's not loud. He's quiet. Yes, it's like quiet never laughing at himself. And he's not loud, he's quiet. Yes, it's like quiet and under the radar.

And sweet, there's a sweetness to all of it. I feel like there's certain comedians that can get away with pretty aggressive insults or just kind of like darker or things that would, on paper, be extremely mean-spirited. But because you know that they have such a big heart and they're such kind of sweet people, you're just like, it's the funniest thing.

You give them so much leeway with that. And he's definitely one of those people. Yeah, he used to, he probably still does this where he plays the piano on set. He goes on the, he'll go up to the improv and just play the piano in between jokes. So there's just like this dramatic effect for absolutely no reason. And he had this joke where he's like, I thought about killing myself today and then plays

like three bars. And he's like, so I jumped off the roof of a pizza hut, but I only broke my leg. And you're like, that wouldn't be funny from anyone else at all, except for you and that fucking piano. He's just so ridiculous. So he used to, I had to sleep, I was really broke and I was doing San Francisco punchline. He was the middle, Dave Attell was the headliner and I was opening and I had no money. So Zach's like, you can sleep in my hotel room at the Commodore.

And I was like, okay, thank you. And then, and he said, you know, I promise you're safe with me. And I was like, okay, thank you. And then, and he said, you know, I promise you're safe with me. And I was like, I believe you. I think I could take you physically, so I'm not concerned. And we would get to bed and I had a terrible week. I was like my first week on the professional road with like two big, like heavy hitters.

And I, you know, I didn't know what I was doing. And every night I'd be so upset, like, fuck, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? He's like, this is part of it. You know, you got a bomb, you got a bomb. And then we'd go to bed, and we'd sleep in the same bed with our clothes on,

and he would rub my hair before I went to sleep, and he would whisper in my ear, I will never rape you. Oh my God. Oh my God. Such a sweet memory. Is it a sweet memory? Yeah, I think it is.

It is a sweet, sweet memory. I've never had anyone say that to me. You're right that in the, in just, yeah, that's just what I was saying before. Like he's such a big hearted sweet person that he can make that joke and actually make you laugh because anyone else who said that to somebody, it almost sounds like I'm definitely going to do that.

Right? Right? Yes. On that note, we're gonna take a break with Ed Helms, and we'll be right back. If you'd like advice from Chelsea, write into us at dearchelseapodcast at gmail.com. We'd love to hear your questions

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So you have to pick up this book. It's called Snafu, the definitive guide to history's greatest screw ups. And it's all the greatest screw ups historically in this country and others actually, lots of it takes place on other lands. But it's a great book to have around, especially to pick up and put down when you want to get a little piece of information. And it's great.

There are great talking points for conversation starters. I know a lot of people need conversation starters. Yeah, and it'll make you like a killer at dinner parties. Absolutely. You've got a whole arsenal of great stories. And it's a great gift, by the way. It's a great gift to give to somebody. Yeah, especially a great guy gift, I feel like.

And I also like that you say in the beginning, you're like, you know what, we've been through shit before and problems and stupid mistakes before. Hopefully we'll survive everything that's going on now as well. Yes, it's a great reminder of that everybody thought that it was the end of the world many, many times in our history, especially in the 50s, where some people look back at as one

of the best times in America. People were scared to death of dying from a nuclear bomb during that time, as Ed depicts in his book. Yeah, it's always like the history of human folly is so overwhelming when you look back on it. And weirdly, I find that calming because we just keep moving. Yeah, this is a scary time that we're in right now. It just, it doesn't matter

what your political disposition is. Like it feels volatile. It feels like the division is crazy, like unusual, but it isn't that unusual. We have been in very similar situations in the past. I'm not saying don't be afraid or don't work to make the changes you want to see in the world, but I am saying there's reassurance in looking back and seeing, oh, people did sort of fight through something or get through something and we got to a better place.

Absolutely. Well, are we ready for some advice? Yes, Ed's gonna give advice. Ed, you're gonna be great at this. Yeah, you actually are gonna be perfect. We have live callers, we have written callers, people calling in, they need help. And here you are, Ed Helms, here you are to help.

All right, I'm here for it. Well, our first question has to do with having a long history with someone since we're talking a lot about history today. The subject is office friendship gone awry. And this one's just an email, she's not calling in. Okay. Dear Chelsea, I work with a friend

who I've known for 12 years. She referred me to the job we work at. She trained me in everything. However, she's a gatekeeper and always wants to be the hero at work. She's also loud and obnoxious when she talks about how we used to be ratchet and all, which was so long ago. She's kind of annoying in that sense.

I find myself at times asking her to keep it down because we're at work. Also nobody wants to hear that and frankly it's embarrassing. I'm now avoiding her outside of work too. I don't know how to handle her. She over shares and I don't want to be a part of it. She also seems jealous when I hang with other managers and coworkers. I'm not kissing ass, but I'm a social person.

How do I manage this situation since I have to see her every day? I'm becoming resentful. Ugh, love you and take care, Sammy. Did she say at the beginning that this person was her superior at work? No, but she got her the job. Oh, the woman got her the job or she? Yeah, the woman got her the job. Oh, she, the woman got her the job or she?

Yeah, the woman got her the job. Oh, I see, I see, so that's also true. But we don't know if they're, we don't know what their status is at the job. We're not sure about that, but yeah. I think that's an easy, I think that you just, that's a conversation, an in-person conversation, one-on-one where you go to lunch, you go to coffee,

and you say, listen, I know we had a lot of wild times and a fun past, but I feel like I've grown up a lot and I feel like we've both grown up a lot. Don't make it just about you being superior to her in that way, you're mature and she isn't. Be like, we've both grown up a lot. And sometimes it's like, I feel like it's a little embarrassing when I hear you talk about our past in front of our coworkers.

And I totally get it, like it's fun and those were the best times. But like, I think we have to have some sort of evolution, especially professionally in a setting where I want to be taken seriously and I don't want to take the fun out of it. But I also don't want to start avoiding you. You know, don't act like it's already happened.

Just say like, I'm starting to feel like I do want to kind of avoid you and take my own space, and I don't want to feel that way about you at all. I want to maintain this relationship, but also take it to the next level of maturity and evolution. We're all going to have to grow up at some point. And you don't have to grow up and make it sound boring,

but grow up and make it sound like, okay, now we're going to do different stuff. And we don't have to live in the past, because that's also a thing that people get stuck in is like living. They want to constantly live in like the best time that they had, which is like that varsity high school attitude. Like when you peak in high school, you want to live in high school for the rest of your life.

God damn, that's good. Chelsea, you're good at this. Oh, Ed. Ed, what, you're good at this. She really is. Ed, what do you... That's the real deal. That's like the, that's the advice. That is good advice. Whoever, the listener should definitely follow that advice.

Now I'm gonna give you some bad advice. Great. I think that you should... Fight the woman. Start slipping like massive doses of LSD into their coffee. Perfect. That's also advice. And just MK Ultra them. And then also just subtly sabotage them at work. start slipping like massive doses of LSD into their coffee. Perfect. That's also advice.

Just MK Ultra them. And then also just subtly sabotage them at work in all kinds of different ways. You know, just like mess up their files, like if they hand something in, see if you can grab it and take it so it's late and they get in trouble. Is that helpful? I don't know. I think so. It's perfect.

I think that's going gonna be very helpful Ed. No, but truly Chelsea, it's so fun hearing you just like jump on that with the most constructive angle. Just like, hey, jump in and talk to this person. And just everything that you wrote in that email, that's pretty much what, that's your script. Like you can say that to this person and find the positive top spin on it. Find the language that gives

it connectivity instead of just like accusation and frustration, but get into it. That's what I heard. That was like the main thing was like just jump right into it. Get into it because I think avoidance is just always the, you know, that is like nobody gets anywhere by being unavoidant. Where did you grow up, Chelsea? In New Jersey. There you go. is like nobody gets anywhere by being unavoidant. Where did you grow up, Chelsea? New Jersey.

There you go. See, I grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, and my mom's from Tennessee, my dad's from Alabama, and it's a lot of like, we don't talk about that. Yeah. It's a lot of like discomfort with, like avoidance is like almost like a policy in the South sometimes.

Did you grow up Southern Baptist? No, no, my parents were pretty progressive politically and religiously, but we went to a Presbyterian church, which I liked, actually liked a lot, and I know my parents valued a lot, but they also, after church, they would always be like, the, this stuff is kind of made up, but we just, this is a good community institution

and we like a lot of the people, but you don't have to believe the actual, you know, they would sort of undermine the religiosity of it. Which is a great attitude. I read a quote once saying like, you know, you're not praying, people who sit down and pray, it's not about who you're praying to,

it's the act of praying that creates a better surrounding for the whole world, right? Like the fact that people are praying, you know, as long as you're praying for like peace and the world and love and goodness, it doesn't matter what you're saying, it's the act of it is an act in itself. Yeah, it's the articulation of thoughts and ideas that have power in you. Yeah, it's the articulation of thoughts and ideas

that have power in you. And I kind of think of therapy as the same way. It's like weirdly therapy can be a sort of prayer because you're giving voice and externalizing these things that have sort of may have chewed you up inside for a long time or felt insurmountable, but as soon as they're outside of your body, literally just the words take form and leave your mouth, and then it's outside of you in a way that feels manageable

or feels like you're approaching manageable of these difficult things. Yeah, therapy is like helping you be a better person in the world, right? So that's a gift to everybody who has to come into contact with you by not internalizing all of those thoughts or things that you're going through. Also, meditation is a form of prayer, you know, if you look at it that way.

It's a form of like, okay, I'm trying, you know, you're setting an intention, you're trying to calm your thoughts and actually be a more well-balanced person. So that's a form of prayer too. So all of that stuff is good as a tool to be a better well-balanced person. So that's a form of prayer too. So all of that stuff is good as a tool to be a better person in the world. Well, our next question comes from Amanda. And before we let Amanda in, I thought this would be a perfect question for you, Ed,

since you played a character who was broken up with while on a yacht. So Amanda's really going through it. Subject line is heartbreak on a yacht. Dear Chelsea, a month ago, me and my partner of four years split up. Three weeks prior, he had ended it and I was devastated. He resigned, we work on a yacht together,

and I packed my bags. I didn't want to give him an opportunity to panic and change his mind. But sure enough, he asked me to stay and I did. Three weeks later, he hooks up with our friend and coworker. The relationship ended and he asked me to stay and I did. Three weeks later, he hooks up with our friend and coworker. The relationship ended and he told me he would resign. Typically on boats, as we all live and work together, when a couple splits up, there's

an honor code that the one who ends it is the one to leave. I took six weeks unpaid leave so I could fly home and be with my support system and give him time to finish out his contract and not risk losing any pay. When I was leaving, he told me he was going to do everything he could to find a way forward for us. A month after the breakup, he calls to say the separation is the right thing and he won't be resigning. Neither he nor the person he hooked up with resigned.

The last thing I want to do is give up my job. I love what I do. I just got a new contract, but the thought of being trapped on a boat together and having to see him every day feels daunting. And there is an update that happened just yesterday. She got a call that her contract was canceled and theirs was not. So Amanda's really going through it.

Oh, I'm sorry. Hi, Amanda. Hi. Hi, honey. This is Ed Helms, our special guest today. Oh my gosh, hello. Lovely to meet you. Likewise.

I'm so sorry for all this, uh, this hard ship. Get it? I'm going to throw a pun in there right, right out of the game. That was almost Zach Alfenac is territory. Yeah. Um, Matt, this does sound tough. So are you with your support system now? Yeah, I've been with my family and my friends.

So I'm very fortunate to have them. So are you with your support system now? Yeah, I've been with my family and my friends, so I'm very fortunate to have them. But yes, as Catherine said, as of yesterday, I've been let go as a result. So I guess now it's a whole different ballgame of how to proceed. So did you lose this contract because of the sort of messiness of the situation?

Yes, I was told it was due to the extenuating circumstances. So he has a senior position, more senior position than you do? Yes, he is a high ranking person. So yeah, he, I guess, got priority. Okay. And does the woman work on the yacht too? I was confused by who resigned and who resigned. Okay. And does the woman work on the yacht too? I was confused by who resigned and who resigned. Okay. No one's resigned, but yes, the person he hooked up with, they both are still on board.

Okay. Well, that's an, you can't go back to that situation. So it's time to find another position, right? On a different yacht. Yeah. How hard is that? I have no doubt that I'll be able to find another job. I'm not concerned about that. I'm very capable. Yeah. So I guess with Catherine, initially I was just, I guess, hoping to find a way to

navigate through this, but even now people are telling me to try and appeal the termination. Um, so yeah, I'm just a bit of a loss right now. I honestly really wouldn't pursue that. What a waste of your time and energy. Why, why? It seems like winning that appeal puts you in a worse position, right?

Where you're on the boat with this sort of toxic energy. Yeah, I agree. And there's something, there is something about like having distance from, having physical distance from the pain, the source of this pain can be incredibly healing. Just not like you said, like you intuitively understood being in that presence, seeing him every day, so forth.

That would just keep you in this laundry cycle of frustration, anger, hurt, all of it. So embrace the distance. Are you okay with doing that? Like are you ready to do that? Like I mean, I think you need to heal and move on and go and find yourself in a completely new environment. I'm so happy to hear that you know that you're capable enough to get another job.

I mean, I know this is kind of, it's a small community of people who work on boats and meaning it can seem like a large one, but really it isn't. It's a smaller community. So like if you're good at your job, you're going to get another job on a yacht. Yeah, no, I have no doubts about that. I guess it's just been, the whole process has been so devastating just at every turn. And then yeah, yesterday was like, I didn't even, I don't know, I didn't believe that it could get to this point where I would be fired. And I understand I'm like, big picture wise, like you guys are saying,

this is the best thing to get away from it and all that. I guess I'm just still reeling from. Totally. Which is totally understandable and And give yourself grace. Give yourself time. You're not supposed to get over these things in a week or two weeks or even a month or two months. This is a big situation.

You were with him for four years. You have every right to be upset, to feel your grief, to go through all of the emotions and all the stages of emotions that don't come in the order that people tell you that they're gonna come in. And just when you think you're out of the woods, it hits you again. But be honest about your feelings, which you are doing.

You're called in here. You're having an honest conversation with people you don't know about how you're feeling and how hurtful this is and how shocking it is. Have you heard about the new Mel Robbins book, The Let Them Theory? Yes, I have. I actually listened to the episode with you and her yesterday on a run. I was like, I need something. Yeah.

Read that book because you have to let him let her let them get that. Let them do their thing and be grateful that you're not in the mix to have to witness any of that. Are you concerned at all about the, about your sort of standing in this community? Um, well, that's the other thing is I feel like because it's such a small industry and everyone knows somebody on a boat, you know, when you're applying for something, everyone knows whoever's applying, it's a very small community.

So that's the reason why I've been trying to be as peaceful as possible through this whole process. Cause I'm like, I don't want it to reflect poorly on me. So that's another thing with appealing this. whole process because I'm like, I don't want it to reflect poorly on me. Sure. So that's another thing with appealing this. I'm just like, I feel like it's, I hope my integrity would speak for itself moving forward. And people talk like they'll get, I think the real story of like that you are the one who got the short end of the stick on this.

I had a spiritual teacher once tell me, you know, God or the universe or your, your, you know, better angels, when something's not right for you, they'll like tap you on the shoulder and try to tell you. And if you don't listen, they'll like tap you harder. And then if you still don't listen, you get like the two by four across the head. And like this ending of the contract feels like this is the two by four of just like, this is not for you. There's something way better for you.

Yeah, I believe that too. Yeah, and it's really picture and listen and just and appreciate where you are in this moment and all of that. Don't try to fast forward your healing. Go through it. The only way to get through something is to really, really feel it and be honest about your like emotions. You know what I mean? Lean on the people that love and care about you. Unfortunately, this relationship is over, but you're gonna move forward in a better and a stronger sense of self.

That's always what happens when we get our hearts broken. We always come out stronger, and that's not debatable. So that's what's gonna happen with you. You're capable, you're competent, you're strong. I'm so happy you have a support system that you were able to fly home to. And I'm so glad you do need a letter of recommendation from these people. So you do need to contact him back. I'm sure that's a given, but you do at the very minimum, they have to guarantee you for, I mean, they didn't give you any reason to fire you. So

they have to give you a letter of recommendation when you go out and look for a new job. And I do know a few people who do own yachts and I'd be happy to pass on your resume to them. That's incredibly kind. I know that comes as a huge surprise to all of our listeners. Chelsea's in the accro. Chelsea's so right here. It's so easy to kind of like intellectually understand why getting fired in this situation might be a positive thing and why. Like, the math might be, might look good on paper. Oh, we're gonna have distance now.

But Chelsea's so right. The emotions, all the feelings, all of the pain and the trajectory of your grief is something to just submit to. Even when it's on paper, it feels like, oh, I'm making the right steps. It just doesn't always feel that way. And so embrace that and yeah, move through it. Feel it.

Thank you so much. Yeah. I agree. You're gonna be just fine. You're gonna be better than fine. Yeah, you are gonna be better than fine. Not right now, but very soon. Very soon.

Yeah. Chelsea, I obviously read your book as soon as it came out. Life Will Be the Death of Me is what got me into therapy in 2019 And so I do think my ability to handle this has been because of all that work in the last few years And I've even been rereading little bits of your book talking about moving through heartache and It's been very helpful amongst everything else. It's been very helpful and I can't express enough how much, yeah. I'm so glad, I'm so glad.

I'm glad. Well, take care of yourself. And send me your resume. We'll get it passed along the chain. For sure. That's incredibly kind. Thank you all so much. This is very, just so lovely.

Thank you so much. All right, thanks, Amanda. Thanks for joining us. Good luck. Thank you so much. Bye. And you're really good at this too. I know. That was very compassionate. I love how stable she is and so normal.

You know, like I love how our listeners are normal and they like they can handle these situations. Like she's going to be just fine. She should be counseling other people going through breakups. Well, our next caller is Jonathan. Dear Chelsea, I need your help getting unstuck. I'm in a job I have a deep bond with, working as a nanny to a child with special needs, one that has given me financial stability and a strong sense of purpose.

But as much as I love it, I know it's time to move on to fully commit to my acting career. The problem? I feel paralyzed by guilt over leaving something that has meant the world to me. I worry about losing a part of my identity and the people who've become my family. On top of that, there's the financial risk. I have bills to pay, and while I want to take the leap, I also don't want to put myself in a situation where I'm struggling just to get by.

That said, I've been putting in the work, I've taken real steps to get my mental and physical health together, and I've been submitting for everything I can to open new doors. I've worked hard to build a creative life, I perform on stage, I dance, I even build a creative life. I perform on stage. I dance.

I even made a name for myself in the drag world. But I know I need to take bigger risks if I want acting to be my main focus. I moved to LA from Iowa with $250 to my name, and for the last seven years, I've made it work. As a gay man from a small town, I take pride that everything I've built has been entirely on my own. I keep telling myself to be patient and trust the process, but after turning 30 this past year,

I feel like I'm starting to lose my spark. I don't want to give up, but I also don't want to wake up one day and realize I played it too safe. How do I take this leap without losing myself or my rent money in the process? Best, Jonathan. Hmm, hi Jonathan.

Hello, how are we doing? Good, we have another actor here on the show today. Ed Helms is our special guest. Oh, wow. Hi, Jonathan. Hi. Hello. Gosh, I know you're in a difficult spot, what feels like a crossroads,

but you have already made so many tough decisions and taken so many risks. You have so much to be proud of already. Thank you. I appreciate that. And, you know, I think that just these last couple of years, I feel like I've the momentum, like something has kind of happened where I just feel like I'm a little bit of a functional freeze right now.

And yeah, I'm just kind of thinking about, you know, I guess I was wanting to kind of ask when you guys were starting out, what kind of helped you get through to like take those kind of risky steps towards making your passion like your main source, you know? And I know that it's a process, but I also, like I said, I have a deep bond with this family and I don't necessarily want to give that up either, you know? So outside of acting, you're not feeling like there's a need to leave the job. It's more like the conflict between the two? Yeah, yeah.

Is it an everyday five day a week job? It is, yes. I see. Does this family, they're aware of your acting ambitions or no? No, yes, they definitely are, for sure. And this is a very positive and nurturing relationship with this family.

I assume they adore you and appreciate you. Yes, yes, they feel like family for sure. Which is amazing and a tribute to you. And I would also encourage you to explore the possibility, dare I say likelihood, that this family wants you to thrive and this family wants what's best for you as well. Of course, they depend on you in some very critical ways, but it sounds like they also would not only be

understanding but supportive. Is that a leap? You know, I think that, I think sometimes I have to kind of get real with myself and realize that, like, you know, I'm also here for a reason. And I think that's kind of been the issue that I've been working with is, you know, I've got a couple gigs here and there,

and those have been fine, but I guess I really kind of, it's kind of stopped me from like pursuing something that would be like a large block of time away from them because I don't know if, you know, that would be the case, if, you know, they'd be able to kind of keep me around. And I think more so I'm just like, okay, like I know I need to take the next step and I've been really lucky with the opportunities

that I've had, but I just feel like I've been kind of in this in between now for these last couple of years. And I just feel- It's because you are in between. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I understand, and it would be great if you could work around your schedule

and they could be accommodating to you, but then you're still in between. Like when you want wanna go for something, especially in this business, you have to go like 155% in that direction. You can't have like other side gigs going on. You know, if you really wanna achieve this and this is your dream,

you kinda have to go full throttle. It's like a fucking bowling ball down a hallway. Like nothing is gonna get in your way until you get to your goal. And then that goal leads to the next thing and that job leads to the next job. So you do kind of have to throw everything you have at what you want in order to obtain that and attain it. And so I get that part. And I think this stuff, it would be great if they could be malleable and work around, I don't know how realistic that is. Is it realistic for them to like work with your schedule and give you the opportunities you need to go

and seek auditions? Like how does that work with a child with special needs? You can't just bring them along. So that's kind of the difficult thing. They are amazing co-parenters, but they both have very high level jobs that require a lot of time away, you know, and I think they rely on me a lot more than, you know, maybe is it healthy, but I'm

kind of okay with that. And I think that I, because of like the connection that I've built, I just feel like I'm torn between what's right for me, like taking those steps to advocate for myself, you know, because I feel like I'm just kind of a third parent at this point. Well, I think what happens a lot with caregivers, whether that's a hired caregiver, family caregiver, is like, it feels like it's all on one person. It's on the main caregiver, which right now is you.

So because the parents can't be someone to like take a day off and take care of the child when you're unavailable, say you have to go to an audition or if you do get a longer term gig like in a play or something like that, that you can't be there every day, it may be worth sitting down with them and proposing another solution, which is like, I wanna be the main person,

but like let's bring in a specific other person who can be kind of on call, who we can call on, on those days when like, I know I need to go drive across town to an audition or I need to do something else. And it just feels like if we, if we feel that sort of missing system, then you have a little bit more freedom to do what you need to do. Right. And you know, it's, it's funny, I actually, uh, just kind of brought that up to need to do. Right. And you know, it's funny, I actually just kind of brought that up to them. So I feel like I'm taking steps in the right direction,

but I just want to feel unstuck. I think that that's kind of where I'm at right now is just feeling like, ah, like, you know, I'm really proud of how far I've come and I feel like I can recognize that, but I also want to push myself in the other direction, and I want to keep the momentum going. And I just feel like I can recognize that, but I also want to push myself in the other direction, and I want to keep the momentum going, and I just feel like I've lost that.

And so I think I just, I don't know, I just feel stuck right now. I think a great solution would also be for you to be the person in charge of training the new person and bringing them in, so that will free up, once you get them situated and understanding of like all of the dynamics

and all of the things that need to happen each day and the relationship, like once you get that situated then you'll have a time to like kind of float in and float out of the job when needed. And how were they responsive to you when you brought this up to them? Yeah, they were, they were responsive but I think they really struggled.

I don't think they've ever had anyone as long as they've had me and the bond that I have with their child. And I'm nervous that it's gonna be kind of hard to find somebody that can match that. Of course it is. And I'm not, you know. It will be. It will be.

But also you can be the, as Chelsea said, like be the constructive part of this transition. You know, lay the groundwork for the transition. Be the person who's really like leading the search for this new person. Have a heavy overlap with them in a training, sort of almost like an apprentice process perhaps. And then the other thing to keep in mind

is that this relationship with this family and this child that clearly means so much to you and to them and the child, it doesn't go away with you thriving in another area. If you start to really, you know, get more work in the acting space and your career starts to blossom, they're still there and they still care about you.

And it's not like a breakup. It's a, it's just branches of a tree kind of maybe growing apart, but they're still attached to the trunk. It's just branches of a tree kind of maybe growing apart, but they're still attached to the trunk. And you've built so much with this family, it sounds like. This is a very poignant moment, and I can sense your struggle,

but just remember that the struggle you're feeling is rooted in how much love there is in this family unit that you're a part of now. And I think you keep checking, you keep saying things that make it clear that this transition feels necessary, it feels important. And then the question starts to become, so what are the steps? And how do I manage it? And how do I do it in a way that's responsible and loving to these people I care so much about? And that might, that's going to take some work and it will be hard and it'll be painful at times. There'll be the emotional pain of the separation eventually, whenever, whatever form it takes will be hard. But also the you thriving

and pursuing this thing that you literally came here to do, or at least taking that risk and taking that jump, I'm hearing that that feels very critical. It does, it does. And I think that I feel like through the pandemic, I just kind of lost my spark a little bit. I mean, like I said, I moved here with nothing and I just kind of made my spark a little bit. I mean, like I said, I moved here with nothing and I just kind of made it work. And, you know, I think I'm trying to rediscover that, that

part of me, right, and understand that, like, I've been really lucky to not really kind of fall on my face. But I'm nervous, I think right now about especially like with just the economy and everything the world is right now to kind of take that leap. But I feel and you know, my heart and my body that it's it's ready to I'm ready to do that, you know? Good. Right. Good. Awesome. Well, thank you guys so much. Yeah, thanks for calling in Jonathan. Good job. Well done. I mean, you can always maintain that relationship. You know what I mean?

Always, regardless of whether you're their point person or his main caregiver or not, you can always create a long standing relationship with and maintain a long standing relationship with that family. Right. Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Chelsea. I really appreciate it. Okay.

And yeah, I just, I really, I mean, this podcast has done so much for me. Your episode with Cody Rigsby about all the body issues really kind of healed something in me and I just appreciate the work you guys are doing. Love to hear that. Love that, Jonathan. Thank you guys. Have a great day and good luck with everything. Thank you.

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And we're back with Ed Helms, whose newest project is a book. He has a podcast by the same name. It's called Snafu, The Definitive Guide to History's Greatest Screw-Ups. It's a great gift for all of you readers out there. It's a great book to put by your pool, put by your toilet, put on your coffee table. Anything liquid related. Yes, anytime you're around liquid, we want you to pick up the book and read a couple of chapters.

It's fascinating and entertaining, just like Ed Helms himself. Ed, you have been an incredible guest today. You were very helpful to all of our callers and I am so grateful. Well, this has been a blast. This is, it's really amazing to hear these people call in and just talk about how much you have affected them, Chelsea.

Oh, I know, it's so sweet. You have some superpowers, for sure. Thank you, Ed. Thank you. It was such a pleasure to see you twice in, like, three weeks. I love this. I know.

Me too. Let's do more. I'll see you by the next toilet or swimming pool that we bump into each other by. All right. Thanks so much. OK, take care. Bye bye.

Bye. Do do do do do do. Drum roll, Catherine, please. And abroad, broad is my European tour. So I'm coming to obviously find a husband abroad. I need to get the hell out of this fucking country. And it's not as easy as you think. So I'm coming to Reykjavik.

I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming to the UK, I'm coming to Brussels, Paris, Belfast, in May and June, I'm coming to Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow, New Zurich, Vienna, I've never ever been to Vienna, Berlin, Barcelona, Lisbon. I'm coming. Abroad is abroad. That sounds like fun. I'm going to go see you abroad. I know. I want to go see me abroad. There I'll be. There I'll be.

Excellent. Okay, my remaining dates for Vegas. There are remaining dates for this year. Summertime is coming and I will be in Vegas at the Cosmo doing my residency on July 5th. It will be the next date that I'm there. July 5th. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there.

I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. is coming and I will be in Vegas at the Cosmo doing my residency on July 5th, will be the next date that I'm there, July 5th, August 30th, and then November 1st and 29th. November 1st and November 29th, I will be in Las Vegas at the Cosmo performing Inside Myself at the Chelsea.

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