Dear Chelsea - Big Italian Sausage with Bianca Del Rio

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

Bianca Del Rio joins Chelsea to talk about having a man in every port, not letting your career take over your life, and the business of pronouns. Then: A Bostonian cringes at his friend’s bad behavi...or. A self-deprecator wonders why all his friends seem to tease him too much.  And an up-and-coming comic fears he’ll run into his ex… who’s in the same line of work. * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at DearChelseaPodcast@gmail.com * Produced by Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brandon Dickert * * * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 Tune in and join in the conversation. Listen to Decisions Decisions on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Hello, listeners. How are you today? How is everybody today? I hope just wonderful.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Yes, I do too. You know who's thriving at home? Who? Bernice. Is she just really giving you all the love? It's interesting. Every time one of my dogs dies, the other dog is fucking happy. Now she gets all the attention.
Starting point is 00:03:15 And I realize how marginalized she must have felt. I mean, she was always the one who wanted to be spoiled the most, right? I think so. Yeah. Because she looks now, like now she's flirty. Like she comes in like, hey, are, right? I think so. Yeah. Because she looks now, like, now she's flirty. Like, she comes in like, hey, are you up? Let's hang. Oh.
Starting point is 00:03:29 And it's really cute. And she doesn't seem to be bothered by the fact that Bert isn't there at all. Oh. And that happened also when my older dog, Tammy, died and Chunk was left. Mm-hmm. He got a pep in his step as soon as she was out of the way. Interesting dynamics. That is an interesting dynamic.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Like maybe they were just waiting for the other one to die. Well, they clearly don't have the affinity for the other dogs as the way that we want to believe that they do. You want to believe your children love each other, but the reality is they don't. So we had a dog who was a great Pyrenees. And there were these huge dogs. They're all white. And this dog sort of had the personality of a cat, very like, I'll come to you sort of energy.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And when our older dog died, she, who she had basically been raised by, she turned orange and she got super depressed. She did also get more like snuggly, wanted to be with you, wanted to hang out. She definitely became more of a people person. What about your two dogs now? They're in love, right? Well, that's actually an interesting conversation because apparently we didn't know that you're not
Starting point is 00:04:32 technically supposed to get sibling puppies. And so there was a little bit of an adjustment period where they were like fighting all the time. Oh, how annoying. I know. Honestly, like I was so upset about it because they were fighting like in this way, these tiny puppies and just like fighting in this way that was like really aggressive. Nobody's drawn blood. But I was like, I don't know what we're going to do. Brad, we might have to rehome Lottie because she's like going after Wendell. And then I found this perfect solution, which was basically training them out of it by using a squirt bottle. And I did not think it would work. And it fully works. It just snaps them out of an argument. And then
Starting point is 00:05:11 we do a little training. Calm is their new command after they like break up a fight and have to come and sit calmly. So now they're starting to like when I say calm, they're just coming over and like breaking it up. So I'm so relieved, honestly. And it's getting a lot better. Yeah, that's really something that I would not be equipped to deal with. No. Oh, my gosh. I had no thought in my mind that it could be a bad thing. And so careful out there.
Starting point is 00:05:34 If you're trying to get a puppy, don't get two. You know what? I just, okay, well, if you don't want a puppy, you can buy a hyperbaric chamber. I just got one of those installed into my house because I came back from skiing and my knees are just so messed up. So I got one and then I was like, okay, and I'm going to get one of my lasers done. I'm going to get a CO2 laser on my face and neck. And so I'm excited about this because they're not as strong, the ones you get for your house as the ones where you go to like a clinic and get it done, but you could sleep in it if you want. Really?
Starting point is 00:06:05 Yeah. Would you do that? Well, no, I doubt it. But I can go in there and read for two hours a day. Yeah, sure. Right, right. So that's easy. Like I can, last night I did one hour. Tonight I'm going to do two.
Starting point is 00:06:15 You have to be cumulative about it. Yeah, you can't just like start with four hours sort of thing. Well, no, I mean like you have to be consistent and do it. Like if you do it once in a while, it doesn't work, I don't think. Does it de-puff? Like what's the benefit? It's like you're getting 150. I'm at one atmospheric pressure, which who, you know, me and my space degree,
Starting point is 00:06:32 who the fuck knows what that means. But you're at like 150% oxygen, whereas we're at 50% right now. Like we're getting 50% of oxygen. I don't know what else we're getting. Nitrogen maybe? I don't know some other things. I don't know. Carbon dioxide?
Starting point is 00:06:44 I'm not sure what's happening. Carbon monoxide, probably a little bit of that too. So yeah, it's supposed to be really good for injuries, inflammation, reducing swelling, you know, all that stuff. So the house that we bought has a pool and we have not yet put a heater in it. I'm like, should I just become one of those people who does cold plunges? I don't know. I don't know if I'm brave enough for that, but I'm tempted. Have you ever done one? I have. I just got one of those things too, a cold plunge pool. Yeah. I haven't used it yet though. I'm saving that for the new house when it's ready. Yeah. I don't think I need both of those things. I think I like cold actually, but I don't like it that cold. That's a little, but that's gotta be really good for you. And that's only three minutes. Like a hyperbaric
Starting point is 00:07:21 chamber, you have to be in for an hour, you know, two hours a day. Like that's a little more time consuming, but a good excuse to read and not be on my phone. Take some you time in the hyperbaric chamber. Chelsea, I'm so excited for our guest today. It's Bianca. Do you want to tell us a little bit about her? Okay. Bianca Del Rio is the host of The Pit Stop, which is the official review show of RuPaul's Drag Race. And her alter ego is Roy Halock, and that's who's here today. Hello, Roy. Hello. Hi, sweet cheeks.
Starting point is 00:07:51 How are you? We're happy to see you. Since drag is such a hot topic these last few months, drag shows are being banned. Was it the state of Mississippi or Tennessee? Tennessee, for sure. Tennessee, okay, Which is very confusing because what's Nashville going to do? Well, also like what's Dolly Parton going to do? I mean, let's
Starting point is 00:08:09 be real here. Drag. It's a serious thing. Tennessee's all fucked up. They're not as bad as Florida though, but it is pretty insane that this is happening. Have they been banned in Florida to drag shows? No, not yet, but it's on their way. You know, DeSantis is losing his mind over there. So he's just been creeping out on other topics, basically about the trans youth and dealing with trans people in general, because apparently the orders that they're making are just kind of vague. It's like blanket situations where it's leading things to where they could kind of decide what they think is right or wrong in the moment. Yeah, yeah. Which is kind of fucked. Yeah, he's taking a lot of latitude because he's going after everything that's going to make him like a political hero, right? Like taking the power away from Disney World, which doesn't sound actually that bad when you read about it because you're like, wait, why is Disney World have their own municipality? Like, what is
Starting point is 00:08:57 that? But whatever. Forget about that. When we're talking about critical race theory, when we're talking about LGBTQ and in books and then now, you know, it was funny. I posted something the other day about banning books in Florida and how, you know, Floridians really need to get their shit together, blah, blah, blah. And I got all these responses from people who saying, well, I mean, there's pornographic material in these books. And I'm like, no, no, no, that's not what we're talking about solely. We're not talking about porn. We're talking about exposure to LGBTQ people. And we're talking about critical race theory. Like porn is the least of it. And I mean, there's a lot of porn in the Bible. Let's be real. These people that clitch onto the Bible. I'm so done with the
Starting point is 00:09:34 religious aspect of it or the people that say my moral compass is about this and I live by the Bible. You know what? Go clean the Catholic church. Go fix that, motherfuckers, because this is your people. This is your deal. You know, there's gays in the church walking around with a purse that's on fire up and down the aisle, wearing robes, telling stories. It's no different than children's story hour. But why don't you fix that? Raping children? I mean, hello. Like, why don't you give me one priest and one person who dresses in drag and see what their record is of assaulting little children? Yeah, I agree. I completely agree. It's just absolutely insane. It's also this thing now where I think that they have to find a way to, as you said, to become the hero. So they're just picking on any group they could possibly do this with. And it's just insane that this is the topic
Starting point is 00:10:17 now. It's like, look, I'm a person who does drag, obviously. And I don't believe in children coming to my show. My show is always 18, 21 up. That's my thing. So I'm not one of the children's story hour people, but I never... Neither am I. Yeah. Agreed. But it's that thing where I'm like, you know, this is not my thing. But I do understand that if a parent feels that, hey, this is what I want to do, bring my child or expose them to that, they should have the right to do it. You know, it shouldn't be up to, quote unquote, legislation or some guy with small dick energy. It all just is so counterintuitive to the Republican Party's platform, you know, not to get too political here.
Starting point is 00:10:54 But like, you know, Republicans are historically known for getting decisions out of government. They hate big government. They hate it. Except when it's talking about taking people's rights away. Then they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We want a hand in this. So it's just so hypocritical, all of it. I mean, obviously, the Republican Party has lost their way a long time ago. So we can't be expecting too much from them, especially with people like Ron DeSantis. It was funny. I listened to this thing on Ron DeSantis yesterday, like the genesis of Ron DeSantis. And I forgot. Remember forgot remember you guys when that
Starting point is 00:11:25 commercial came out before Trump was elected because everyone had to like cozy up to Trump because he was looking like the possible candidate but it was like in 2018 I think when DeSantis ran for Congress originally and he had to put an ad together and his wife was like he plays with our kids and what they were playing was building a wall. And he's like, look, my kids know how to. And I remember spoofing that when I was doing a TV show at the time because we were like, who's this idiot? And I was like, oh, fuck, that was Ron DeSantis.
Starting point is 00:11:55 We're in for it because this guy is still around. And that was only like, what, five years ago? Isn't it crazy? Yes, that was him. Yep. Now he's just bootlicking. But now he's on his own little platform here. And that's the scary part about it is just to think that, I mean, Florida is its own little world at this point, you know, and you sit back thinking, how is this fucking
Starting point is 00:12:13 happening? How is this happening in real time? How is this, how is this our world? I don't get it. Yeah. Uh, anyway, let's move on back to you instead of me just going off about everybody. You know what I mean? I've decided 2023 is the year of conflict and confrontation that makes total fucking sense and listen also i just wanted to say happy belated birthday i see you just had a birthday and you were out on the slopes i was pissing myself how did you survive that you know what i gotta tell you it's pretty enjoyable like is it it's it's exhilarating like you're not cold because you have so much adrenaline. First of all, we're trying to be discreet because we're trying not to have too many people see me because they'll film me and then it's blown.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Or we're trying to hide from ski patrol. But this year, ski patrol saw us and then came back and picked us up and dragged us out of there because we're like, we need another half hour. And they're like, all right, well, this is going to close and we would have to really like walk out. And so the guy came back and tugged us out, which was really cute. So that was great. So now they've given up. And that's how I feel about pushing against authority. If you push hard enough, eventually the doors just open and the flooding starts. And then they're just like, fuck it. It's happening and it's going to happen. It's just sheer exhaustion. They just don't want to bother anymore they're like ah fuck it let's just roll with it yeah like the first year i made a ski video the ski patrol found me or they were looking
Starting point is 00:13:33 for me actively but they didn't know i had already shot it two days earlier they thought i was doing it in real time i'm like no that wasn't two days ago yeah and then the next year i got a warning from the mountain that i'm not allowed to i'm not allowed to drink and smoke pot on the mountain. And then the next year, I skied off the mountain. We did backcountry because I don't want to deal with those fucking people. And then this year, they're just like, you know what? They have no fight left in them. Do your thing.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Do your thing. So that's how we always have to push up everyone who's listening. You have to keep going. You have to break the door down you know especially when it's in the name of just joyousness and celebration and fun and you're not hurting anybody right so and art and art and art don't forget art yes oh yeah please don't forget what an artist I am so let's talk about I think actually a good lesson sorry to make you a teacher for a little bit so it's all good let's talk about, I think actually a good lesson, sorry to make you a teacher for a little bit. No, it's all good. Let's talk about she and her and pronouns.
Starting point is 00:14:28 And I think it's always good to kind of refresh people who are confused still about what everything means. When you're in drag, you prefer to be referred to as a she or a her, correct? You know what? I accept anything. I accept cunt and face. I mean, I'm pretty cool with it because I'm of a certain age. I too accept cunt face. I'm with you. It's true. It's true. I mean, I'm of a certain age where it's of a certain age. I, too, accept con face. I'm with you. It's true. It's true. I mean, I'm of a certain age where it's like, you know, I didn't think about those things.
Starting point is 00:14:48 And I guess being a drag queen for so many years, I just answer to any of it. So me, I'm just whatever. As long as you get the right name on the check, I don't give a shit. And I'm old enough to even say the check because who the fuck gets a check anymore? But it's that thing where, for me, it doesn't bother me at all. So, I mean, I can be called anything. Okay. Well, that's great to know.
Starting point is 00:15:05 For me. For you. And then when you're not in drag, you identify as a man, correct? Yeah, well, the jury should know on that one. It depends on who we talk to. I'm a little light in my loafers, but yeah, I would assume, yes, yes, that works for me.
Starting point is 00:15:19 And are you in a relationship? Oh, currently, yeah, shockingly. And I say that very begrudgingly and carefully because, you know, when you get to a? Oh, currently, yeah, shockingly. And I say that very begrudgingly and carefully because, you know, when you get to a certain age, Chelsea, you start thinking you don't want to mention the fuckboys because we've all been there and we've all been like, oh, this is the one. This is it. I'm not one of those people that proclaim it on Facebook or Instagram or any of that madness. But, you know, every now and then they catch a picture of you and then people think, yeah, this is it. And then you end up fucking yourself. You know, you end up getting screwed over
Starting point is 00:15:45 and then you have to explain to the world in some form or fashion, hey, this didn't work out. So I've been low key with this one for about a year. So it's been hard to keep a secret. You know, gays can't keep a secret, but we've been trying.
Starting point is 00:15:56 And a year in like gay life is a really long time. That's like seven years, right? Yes, about seven years. Not lesbian though. Lesbian's about 12 years. But this is about seven years in the gay world, yes seven years. Not lesbian, though. Lesbian's about 12 years. But this is about seven years in the gay world, yes.
Starting point is 00:16:11 But I feel like lesbians, they stay together longer, no? Yeah, because they're lazy. Yeah, it makes sense. You know, it's all about, listen, I would be a lesbian because it's all about comfort. Look at the costumes. Look at the outfit. Look at the choices of hair. Look at a cat.
Starting point is 00:16:21 A cat can take care of themselves. I love it. Think about it, though. It's like it's literally all about comfort. So I would totally be a lesbian. A cat can take care of themselves. Think about it. Think about it, though. It's like it's literally all about comfort. So I would totally be a lesbian. A cat can take care of themselves. It's a different world for a lesbian. I mean, they've got it figured out. And is this your first serious relationship or no?
Starting point is 00:16:37 Oh, hell no. I've had a couple. I mean, I'm 47, so I've been around the block. And I've had the good ones and the bad ones. But, you know, you get to that point where you're like, all right, let's see if this is working. And slowly this has been working, shockingly. And what do you think makes it work for you? Well, giving up.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Giving up, Chelsea. That's it. Just giving up, like you said. No, it's more or less just kind of being with an adult. Does that make sense? I don't even know if it's about age, but it's more about just being an adult. He's got his own shit. He doesn't give a fuck what I do. He doesn't care about drag. He's not
Starting point is 00:17:07 interested in it, which is a lovely thing, you know, didn't even ask questions about it, which makes it so much more entertaining, you know, because I can go do my thing. He can go do his and then we meet in the middle. And how much of your life does drag take up? Far too much. I mean, it's your profession, really, right? Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it's kind of like you got to create your own world. So for me, it's usually when I'm out on the road, I just finished a tour where I was out for 13 months. And so we did 129 shows in 27 countries and 99 cities. So that's the schedule, you know, and that's not just going out, but it's like going out with drag. You know, you got your meet and greets before the show, you got to get in the drag, you got to pack the drag, you got to go to the other countries and stuff. So it's like going out with drag. You know, you got your meet and greets before the show. You got to get in the drag.
Starting point is 00:17:45 You got to pack the drag. You got to go to the other countries and stuff. So it's a lot there. And it's not so much like, oh, my life is difficult. It just means, you know, when you're in the monkey suit, you're ready to entertain. When you're out of the monkey suit, you're like, get the fuck away from me.
Starting point is 00:17:56 I need to sleep. I need to drink. I need to be, you know, I don't want to be bothered. So I guess that's the packaging for it. You know, you start to realize it's a lot physically and mentally, then you go, how fucking lucky to get to travel the world and do what I do, you know? Yeah, it expends. I'm sure it expends a lot of energy. There must be days where you just do not feel like getting it up, right? Like getting your outfit together and doing the whole hair and makeup, right? I mean, I know as a woman that I don't want to do that on most days.
Starting point is 00:18:20 No, no, it's true. And it is kind of exhausting. But then in the end, you realize, you know, if I don't wear the wig or the makeup, I got to have the packaging to make it theatrical. How long does it take you to get in drag? I'm curious. I can get ready in about an hour. You know, if I have everything. Yeah, I'm not one of those.
Starting point is 00:18:35 If you've seen me, I don't blend. So it's not like I'm sitting back doing this whole, you know, luxurious moment thing. It's not that fancy for me. But literally, if everything is in a room, I could do it within an hour. And what about the culture of your profession? I would assume it could be pretty catty, but that's just- Oh God, yes.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Okay, okay. But I mean, the cattiness of it though, those are the people that are your friends. You know, everybody that's a cunt is my friend. You know, we get it. That's kind of part of it, right? Giving each other shit in an exaggerated way because you're on top of it.
Starting point is 00:19:02 You are drag queens who kind of do that for a living. Without a doubt. And I think I have, I'm always suspicious of drag queens that don't drink and don't have a fucking sense of humor. I go, how can you not have any of those? And so for me, you know, when I started out, I was working in gay bars and you would do gay bars or cabaret spaces. That's the only place you could find a drag queen. But now you walk outside, they're fucking hanging from the trees. Everywhere you go is some stupid bitch with a wig on saying, drag, save my life. No, that's not how I look at it. For me, it's a job.
Starting point is 00:19:28 It's what I do. And it's not necessarily my identity. But when I'm in it, let's go have fucking fun. You know, let's let's make the best of it. Take the piss out of each other, basically. Yeah, that's fine. Where are you based out of? Currently, I'm in Palm Springs, because it was cheaper than having plastic surgery. You know, you just come out here where the old people are, and immediately you look better. So I've been out here now for about, since the pandemic, for about three years. Oh, really? I was going to guess that you were in Miami just by your decor behind you. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's Palm Springs. Everything's white. Even my neighbors. That's a whole other story. Because I am the brownest thing in this
Starting point is 00:19:59 neighborhood that doesn't have a lawnmower. But that's a whole other story. Okay. Well, Catherine. We're going to take calls from people. You're going to expend great advice, as I can suspect you're very good at giving. Sure. And we're going to help people along with their problems today. We're going to help
Starting point is 00:20:17 people with problems. And we curate the episodes to our guests. So we have questions that I think you'll be able to relate to. Or at least Catherine thinks. Catherine produces all our guests. Yes. So we have questions that I think you'll be able to relate to. Or at least Catherine thinks. Yeah. Catherine produces all our episodes. Every time I come here,
Starting point is 00:20:30 it's a surprise. Yes, exactly. Well, I'm going to make us take a quick break and then we'll be right back with Bianca and Chelsea. Okay. Inside you,
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Starting point is 00:24:51 Are you? I'm sorry, Brad. Are you listening to Whitney Houston? Feeling it. Watching an Instagram video. Brad's favorite song is I Want to Dance with Somebody. Like, no lie. And he doesn't dance.
Starting point is 00:25:03 And he doesn't dance. That's crazy. He doesn't dance. Catherine, you know I love Celine dance with somebody like no lie. And he doesn't dance. That's crazy. He doesn't dance. Catherine, you know, I love Celine Dion. That's not accurate. So Celine Dion is where it's at. Actually. She's pretty fucking funny. I didn't realize Celine Dion was funny. Yeah. Drag queen introduced me to her. Well, not introduced me, but verified. He's like, Chelsea, you have got to watch her. She fucks around and she's really funny. And I was like, oh, she's I didn't know. Yes. Then that awkward in that awkward way, which makes got to watch her. She fucks around and she's really funny. And I was like, oh, I didn't know. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:26 In that awkward way, which makes it so fucking fun. Yeah. And an awkward French-Canadian way. Yeah, that too. All right. Well, so Brad, sorry, we don't have him on, correct? No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:38 And my heart will go on. Okay, wonderful. I think this question is great for both of you. So Rob is writing in from Toronto. He says, Dear Chelsea, after an emotionally exhausting relationship with someone who I thought was going to be my person, I ended things after coming to the conclusion that he was manipulating me and playing games due to what I believe were narcissistic tendencies. This scenario forced me to call him out on his behavior and block him so he would stop reaching out to try and convince me that he had changed and that we should get back together. Luckily, I've moved forward and been able to get back on the mend. But here's the issue. He and I fell in love over a common interest. We both want to pursue a career in comedy and writing. Now, him being further along in his career means he's become a part of that world in our city.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Meanwhile, little old me is just getting started. It means that I'll have to see him, interact with him, and deal with him again after coming to the incredibly hard conclusion that the best thing for me would be to never have to see him again. I don't have any intention to sacrifice my career ambitions, but I'm also unsure how to face all that anxiety, depression, and emotional trauma all over again. How do I honor the part of me that wants to make this a reality while also honoring the part of me
Starting point is 00:26:55 that has urged me to stay away? Rob. I'll go first, okay, Roy? Got it. And you can follow up. First of all, huge opportunity for growth right here. Huge growth opportunity. As they would say in any book, whenever you have to be faced with something, you're already saying that you're going to pursue your career. He's going to be in the same career.
Starting point is 00:27:14 There's nothing you can do about it. All you can control is the way that you react to the situation and handle the situation. And you have a huge opportunity to handle it with dignity and with grace and with self-respect. And respect for him, too. It didn't work out. That doesn't mean anything. You don't have to harbor ill will for that person. In fact, you should want that person to be able to find what they're looking for, regardless of whether they're a narcissist or how they treated you or the dynamic of your relationship.
Starting point is 00:27:39 You should want the best for him. And if you keep saying that to yourself, eventually you'll start to believe that you want the best for him. Sometimes you kind of have to trick yourself into thinking that. But this is a great, great life lesson. I mean, I'm excited for you because you could go into this and be like, I am going to crush this. You know what I mean? I'm going to get an A plus in this class of like being a higher person and leading the way. You are going to be an example to show him and the people around you how to behave after a breakup. Rob, I say move. Pack your shit and move.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Listen, gays are the fucking worst. They will haunt you. They will drive you crazy. Get the fuck out of town. No, the thing, you know, this is the thing. I mean, Chelsea's right. Be the bigger person, which can be very difficult when you're dealing with gay people
Starting point is 00:28:20 because they don't sit well with it. The fact that you both were in the same profession, that alone is a fucking nightmare. I can't, I would never. Would you date another comedian? Oh, I guess I shouldn't ask Chelsea. But I mean, in general, for me, I couldn't imagine dating another drag queen.
Starting point is 00:28:34 I think that would be quite problematic, you know? So I don't know if I could do it. So you're a better person for even giving that fucker an opportunity. But just have a drink and remember that, you know, one day he's going to die, and that should make you feel better, and that should help you get through this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:49 That's how I look at it. There's two sides of the coin in that advice right there. Well, our next question comes from Danny. Danny says, Dear Chelsea, My friend, who I'll call Matt, and I have been close friends since college. For the last 20 years, he's been a faithful, loyal friend who I've shared good times and bad times with. He's funny. He's loyal. He's sassy. We both came out at around the same time in life. We've gone through a lot together, and he's family to me. He still lives in Dallas, where we went to school. I live in Boston with my husband. Matt visits frequently, and there's one side of him that makes it difficult to have
Starting point is 00:29:23 him around. He has loud outbursts at times, at restaurants, on the streets, and he even said something out the window to my neighbor who has severe mental health issues. He whistles at people at bars and says obnoxious shit to strangers in the streets. He's meaning to be funny or playful, but it makes me want to disappear out of humiliation. It's the behavior of a teenager, and we are 40 years old. I've asked him repeatedly to please stop, and he doesn't seem to understand how embarrassing this is for me. I've gotten to the point where I feel like I need to tell him this behavior must stop immediately or he can't come to visit anymore. He's never responded well to criticism so I'm at a loss on how to approach him with this as he's already experiencing some loneliness in his life and
Starting point is 00:30:03 therefore likes visiting frequently. Much love from Boston, Danny. I think we all have some loud friends. Yeah, yeah, we all do. Loud. Well, I took it personal. I thought he was describing me. Danny, this is challenging. It's annoying when somebody thinks they're funny and they're not being funny. I can't fake laugh at something that I don't think is funny. So that's annoying, a really annoying quality. Hi, Danny. Hi, Danny. Hi, how are you? Good. Hi. We hear your friend Matt as being very annoying. Yes, very much so. Yeah, that is really annoying, by the way. I hate that. I hate loud, when people are screaming and loud, you know? And I also hate when people think they're funny and they're not.
Starting point is 00:30:47 And you're supposed to pretend to laugh or not or whatever. Anyway, I think your friend is worth losing. And I've been influenced already by Roy on this podcast today. Move! Move! I know. I think your friend is. If you lost him, it's not that big of a detriment to you, is it? I mean, yeah. So that's the complicated part. I mean,
Starting point is 00:31:07 so we've been friends for, I mean, 22 years, if I'm doing the math right. So it would feel like a huge impact for me. But like I was telling Catherine yesterday, I know you guys are busy, so I won't give you my whole story, but... We're busy fucking doing this podcast. I mean, we're busy listening to callers. So yeah, give us your story. Okay. Awesome. Thanks, Chelsea. I mean, you know, keep it succinct though. So I grew up in very like small town, Texas. I left my small fucking town and moved to Boston and have the career I want and a tall, gorgeous Italian husband and basically killing it. And like, it's the truth. And, and it's that thing where it's just here in my new life that I have here that I've worked very hard for. I live with like co-respect,
Starting point is 00:32:01 if that makes sense. Like let's live positively towards each other and that type of thing. But I am not going to suffer fools and I'm not going to put up with people's bullshit anymore. And I deserve respect like anybody else deserves respect. But he probably doesn't think he's disrespecting you in his defense. He thinks he's being entertaining or funny, you know? Oh, totally. And also, Danny, you said you've been friends for like 22 years. Now, was he being annoying the fuck out of you for 22 years? Or is it just
Starting point is 00:32:30 recently that he started annoying you? Is he jealous because you've got that fine piece of Italian man? Is that what's setting him off that he's forced to talk to strangers to make himself be noticed? Is that what it is, Danny? No, no, no, no, I don't I don't think it's that at all. I mean, I think that it's always been there in some capacity but then it's just a mixture of things so i live in a different city and then he turns into this like quote-unquote city person when he's here and i'm like look the fuck around you no one else is acting like that and all of us live here what exactly does he turn into? It's like a get out of my way, like no, like whatever. And I'm like, you're kind of the one being Mr. Nonsense and irritating everybody.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Because it's one of these older friendships where they're used to me being that person. It feels like I have to handle that new version of me a little bit more delicately. But then I live in Cambridge. I live very close to Harvard Square for 11 years. I know people and you're embarrassing me and people in my building know me and all these things. So I think that's where I'm having such a hard time. How do I go?
Starting point is 00:33:43 Can you please knock this the fuck off and be 40? Because you're not like a 15-year-old girl. Yes, absolutely. But obviously, you've said it to him in the past, right? Yes, I have. Yeah. And did you say it like you just said it to us? Knock it the fuck off?
Starting point is 00:33:58 You're embarrassing the shit out of us? You're 40. You're 40. And there's nothing worse than telling a gay person they're 40. That's a fucking reality check. It's definitely going to wreck his nerves. And it sounds like you hate him, Danny. It sounds like you've made that you've already got all this figured out. You hate him. Just drop him. It's not worth all the grief. people have had to have compassion for me when I was just being a fucking idiot in places in my life. But I went, oh, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I will not, I'm going to stop doing that. Yeah. I think it's your approach. I think if you say to him in a much more gentle, loving way, like in a thoughtful way where the conversation isn't a reaction to his behavior, it's actually
Starting point is 00:34:41 aside from his behavior, you know, you either have a phone call or see him in person, whatever feels right to you. But I think you can address this and be like, listen, I know we've joked about it. And I've been kind of a shit about it in the past, reactive to your behavior. But I have to tell you, it's not funny. And it makes other people uncomfortable. And it makes me uncomfortable. And like, say it in a really loving way. Like, I care about our friendship. It's been 22 years. It's starting to become an issue. Like, you don't seem to have any self-awareness around this issue. That, you know, how you're coming across isn't what you think it is.
Starting point is 00:35:19 And, you know, without assailing him, but just laying it on the table in a more loving way. Yeah, I think there's also something there with, like, when we're out at the bar, like, be yourself. Be your crazy self. We love to see it. But when we're walking home late at night in my neighborhood where I know all these people who are 80 or whatever. And one who is mentally ill, like we don't need you triggering them or screaming at them. And if he can't get it together and he can't obey by those rules, then, you know, maybe he doesn't come to say anymore. Right. Yeah. And I mean, that's where I'm at. I want to have space for everybody in my life. If they're Texas people or Boston people or wherever people, if it's someone I love,
Starting point is 00:35:55 I want to have space for them in my life. But for me, it's just like you're literally taking space from me by being here. Well, he's got to meet you halfway. He's got to meet you halfway. He's got to be respectful of what you're going through as well. Yes. Totally. That's really great advice in terms of just approaching it a little bit more gently. And also, I think just bringing it up when it's not a place where I am just ready to go off.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I think that's the bigger part is I need to get to a place where I can separate myself from the problem and go, this isn't mine to carry. So. Yep. And it's also okay to set that boundary
Starting point is 00:36:31 with your friends. And remember, you're in Cambridge and you got that fine man. Don't worry about that little bitch. You can't worry about him all the time.
Starting point is 00:36:40 He's in Texas. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Just turn your, turn that beat around and focus on your big Italian sausage. Awesome. Thank you so much, Danny. Thanks, Danny.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Thank you all. Thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. I love Danny. I love Danny too. I was just thinking about my big Italian sausage. As I said that, I was like, I've never had a big Italian sausage. And then I was like, oh, yeah, I did. I dated an Italian guy who lived in Spain, but I dated him for a couple months. Well, no, we had like a long-term kind of come and go affair.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Like we'd meet each other in cities. It was pretty cute, actually. How long did that last? Over the course of like a year or two. Nice. We were never like exclusive. It was just an understood. A moment.
Starting point is 00:37:23 We would meet up in different cities which is my favorite thing really to do for having sex anyway yeah so you have area codes i know i love i love a man in every port you know what i mean as you should chelsea are you sure you're not a gay man i mean this is no i'm not i'm not sure i don't know if i'm a lesbian or a gay man but i feel like i am definitely on the other side of things. Got it. Got it. Well, our next question comes from Brian. Brian's also here with us on the phone. He says, Dear Chelsea, I'm writing because I need some advice that I haven't been able to get from a therapist.
Starting point is 00:37:59 A thing that haunts me is the dynamic I have in a lot of my friendships. Ever since middle school, I've been told that I'm easy to pick on or fun to tease. I definitely grew up in a household where I was sort of prepped to expect the world to reject me. Both of my parents are deeply insecure and somehow transferred that to me as an attempt at protection. Now in my mid-30s, I'm still haunted by friendships with people who seem to find a lot of pleasure in teasing me or picking on me, often about things that are reminiscent of what I got picked on for in middle school, my weight, or my lack of masculinity. Therapist after therapist gives me the same runaround about having self-worth and all that stuff. That's lovely, but it's hard to balance an attitude
Starting point is 00:38:38 of not taking oneself too seriously and also not being self-deprecating. I think a lot of this is just sort of lazy humor that people have that was popular in the early 2000s, and also not being self-deprecating. I think a lot of this is just sort of lazy humor that people have that was popular in the early 2000s and we've all sort of grown up from. One of the things I love about you and your podcast has been your evolution and your own sense of humor. I'm just really looking for some help and advice from someone that I think has their shit together and isn't so damn invested in who I am, Brian. Hi, Brian. Hi, Brian. Hi. Hi, Brian. We have our special guest today, Bianca slash Roy. Hi, Brian. Hey, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi. Okay, so your friends, is it the same group of friends? Is it a varied group? I mean,
Starting point is 00:39:19 is it a lot of people or is it? It's like a good percentage of my friends, but I think, so I've got friends from my like teens and twenties from when I lived in Atlanta. And then I've got friends from when I moved back to California that are mostly people I met in my thirties. And I really thought that when I made that move, that I would be able to redefine that boundary of how I talked about myself and how I let friends talk about me. And I just noticed like the same pattern has started up again over the past few years. So I'm kind of at a loss. Okay. So what is the pattern? Can you give us some examples? Totally. I mean, it could be like little remarks from straight friends about being so gay or too gay or you look straight until you open your mouth and start talking or comments about
Starting point is 00:40:13 my weight. I work in the diversity, equity and inclusion space. So like jokes about me being the woke police or just stuff like that. I see. Yeah. OK, Well, I think these are just kind of leftovers. You know what I mean? Like everybody's getting up to speed. If you're, these people are good friends in your life, I'm sure that they care about you. Right. So it is lazy humor. It is leftover from we're entering a, like a world where like, it's not cool to say that anymore. And some people are just kind of like, they don't want to let that go. You know what I mean? It's easy to make that joke. It's easy to
Starting point is 00:40:48 make that reference. I'm guilty of it myself at times, you know, I just always have to remember, like, pick it up, pick up your humor. So I think you have to just have a different reaction than you've had. And don't think of it as a reaction as much of as response, where you are firm, you know, and whatever that looks like for you. Like it can be a real conversation or it can just be like the way you react in the moment. Like, dude, if you still think you can say stuff like that, you're like mistaken. Like get with the program. Yeah, I might be the woke police, but I know what's going on and you guys don't. It's not cool to make fun of people being gay anymore.
Starting point is 00:41:20 It's not funny anymore. Get more clever in your humor. I think you have to be a little bit more aggressive than your probably natural disposition allows you to be. Totally. And I think where I've tried to like call people out on it, especially when it's stuff that I like really sensitive about, the immediate reaction that I get is, oh my God, you take yourself too seriously. Oh my God, you're too sensitive. And that's where I honestly like fall apart and turn into like a kid being bullied on the schoolyard again
Starting point is 00:41:51 and just kind of want to burst into tears. Yeah, you don't want to do that. You don't want to do that. You want to like handle it in a way that it's not a question, right? Because then they're going to attack you for being weak. And then that supports their argument that you're already too much of a whatever, too effeminate or too girly or too gay
Starting point is 00:42:09 or whatever. Like, I think you have to just be succinct about it. Like, it's not cool guys at all. And not in a victim-y way, in a way that you're not the victim, in a way that you're taking charge of your life. Like, great. If you guys want to do that, that's great. But I have other friends that aren't going to treat me me like that even though you don't yet Let's just pretend you do Okay Because we're gonna manifest them and you're gonna start talking and you're gonna start attracting people that are gonna be treating you in a more Dignified way because the people you're around is always just a projection of yourself
Starting point is 00:42:36 So when you start taking your gayness more seriously and with more pride instead of being a victim about it Then you're gonna be in a position of power instead of a position of weakness, which it seems that you're in right now, but that's easy to shift out of. Totally. And you also have to realize that, you know, when someone says this kind of shit, like as gay people, we've heard this our entire life. As you said, you dealt with it as a kid and it takes you back there. Is it literally in your mind, you have to flip it and just go,
Starting point is 00:43:01 I've heard it. This doesn't affect me on that level anymore. I can't allow it to affect me anymore. You got me. I'm gay. I'm as gay as it gets. Now, what else you got? Yeah, I'm going to fly away in about five minutes. It's just one of those things where it is a lazy situation.
Starting point is 00:43:15 But yeah, once you assess it and just kind of in your own mind go, hey, I'm not that kid anymore. And I don't have to put up with this shit. And you do realize that when people are this negative in your world, that it does become exhausting. How much of it are you willing to take? How much are you have to put up with this shit you know and you do realize that when people are this negative in your world that it does become exhausting how much of it are you willing to take how much are you willing to put up with you know and so I think if you put it on the line with them then they have the option of either staying and being a better person or getting the fuck out you know it ain't worth all that it ain't worth all that trust me I've been called sissy I've been called everything and it's just one of those things where like if you say fag on the street I'm gonna turn first because I would react to it going, hey,
Starting point is 00:43:47 but in the end, I laugh at it now, you know, because I am a big faggot in a wig, you know, it's my job. And Brian, you mentioned being self deprecating. Is that something that you find yourself sort of leading with when you meet someone new or, you know, are in a new friend group? Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, I've been out since I was 13 and had a weight problem since I was younger than that. So of course, the way that I've always learned to sort of be on the defense is to make the joke quicker than everybody else does. And through years and years and years of therapy, I've learned that that's something I have to really check. But also it does make people feel more comfortable around you
Starting point is 00:44:26 when you can show that you can make a joke about yourself. It's just such a hard boundary for me to find between being self-deprecating and then also not just talking shit about yourself. Right, exactly. You can be self-deprecating, but not when you're telling yourself negative things about yourself. There are different ways to be funny and make other people feel comfortable without putting yourself down. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Like Chelsea has a joke about like the difference between the sun and the moon. And she talks about that. But she's not going around calling herself stupid. There's a difference between a shame-based, you know, quote unquote self-deprecation and something that's fun and lively and invites positivity into your life. So just be really careful. And maybe for a time you aren't self-deprecating. Maybe you take a break from that for a little while and start making jokes that are positive about yourself and see where that gets you. See what happens with that. Yeah, I like that idea. Making jokes that are positive about yourself. And also,
Starting point is 00:45:23 you know, like whatever your approach has been or response has been thus far isn't setting the right message. So you should experiment with some other responses, you know, and it doesn't have to be like you getting up and storming out when you're in a group setting and your friends are like not getting it. It's about you laying down a boundary and going, hey, guys, I know this is fun for you, but it's so old and it's so not funny for me. Like, this is my life. I but it's so old and it's so not funny for me. Like this is my life. I'm not interested in hearing about this anymore. Like if we can't have more clever jokes about me, then like, why don't you guys let me know when you're ready to hang out without making fun of the fact that I'm gay. When you're ready to do that and you feel more mature, then great. And you know, you could try it like that, but make it a non-emotional. I know it's hard in the
Starting point is 00:46:03 moment when you're having those interactions, but I think this is a perfect example of something that kind of needs to be handled in the moment. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, that makes total sense. And it's a good exercise for you. It's great, you know, because once you get a little bit of power, your power back, you're going to like the way that feels. And then there's going to be more boundaries and boundaries are good. Like they're not limiting. They actually are expansive because they make people behave in different ways and they make other people expand their behavior. You know what I mean? So like you're not just helping yourself, you're helping other people around you and you're setting up a dynamic that's much more respectful to yourself.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Right. You know, I think there's also an opportunity maybe for you to express to your friends that you are making a conscious shift in how you talk about yourself and what you talk about. Yeah. I had a moment with my therapist where I was like, my in-laws are going to bring up such and such and I'm going to have to talk about it. And she's like, you know what? Just say like, I actually used to talk about that all the time and I'm not comfortable talking about it anymore. And then you change the subject and like think it's okay to do that in like a kind and caring way. Like I don't really love joking about my weight anymore. Like let's move on. You know, it's okay to do that in like a kind and caring way. Like I don't really love joking about my weight anymore. Like let's move on, you know?
Starting point is 00:47:07 It's just like taking ownership over something, just taking ownership over it and also just realizing, hey, we've been there, we've discussed it, it's been beaten to death, moving on. Yeah, and I think being comfortable with that like momentary discomfort, knowing it's going to have a positive payoff in the long run. Yeah, I mean it's like I was talking about this last week. I was reading this book and I was talking about like letting go and dancing, even though
Starting point is 00:47:30 you may look like an idiot, you're learning how to dance or you're going to you're going to let people see you kind of stumble. And for me, because I'm not good at dancing, I have no rhythm. But I was like, it's preventing me from dancing. Like, I don't want to be like that. I don't care what I look like when I dance. At least I want to be that person. So I just, I was like, okay, I made a real effort this winter when I was up with my friends, when we went out, I was like,
Starting point is 00:47:52 you got to dance all the time. Just dance as an exercise because it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. And it doesn't matter if people see you mess up, that's good. And it's a growth spurt for you to be uncomfortable in what you're asking and then see the result of what you're asking. And if your friends aren't respectful of that, then they're not your friends to begin with. You know what I mean? The bigger issue, right? Yeah. There you go.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Yeah. Yeah. But I'm sure that they will be. Yeah. It's probably me giving them a little bit more credit, too, and just giving them time to understand that, like, I'm having a shift in how I want to talk about myself. So. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Well, was this helpful, Brian? Yeah, totally. Years and years in therapy can give you a bunch of tools, but sometimes you just need like a really good pep talk. So this has been great for that. And I thank you all so much.
Starting point is 00:48:43 And we didn't even charge you. We didn't even charge you. Much cheaper than there. We're going to Venmo you. Or do you Venmo us? Who Venmos who? Is it the purchaser or the ower or the buyer? I don't know. It's so confusing.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Are we on PayPal? Send me the invoice. Okay. Yeah. We'll send you an invoice. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Brian. Bye, Brian.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Good luck. Bye. A lot of questions that really like deep down are about people pleasing with two people who are, in my opinion, don't seem very concerned about pleasing people. No, no. Well, I'm quick to drop a bitch. I'm just one of those. I mean, I think also just as you get older, you start to realize we ain't got much time. Like, do I really want to be bothered with this toxic person, you know, and if they're going through a moment, I never say never. So it's that thing of like, if you have a spell and you don't speak to them, and then eventually you pick back up, all right, you got over yourself. We addressed it. Now you're
Starting point is 00:49:32 in a better place. That's fine. But the daily occurrence or just dealing with that annoying son of a bitch, I don't think I could do it. I just can't. Yeah. And also, these people aren't necessarily toxic. They just are not. They haven't been called to task for their behavior. So if they were called to task for their behavior and then increase that behavior, you know what I mean? Then it's toxic. But, like, we have to give them a little bit of credit to understand that they might get the feedback and be like, oh, shit. You're totally right. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Sorry we did that. You know, that's also an option. And they may have just, like, gotten the wrong impression in the beginning of like he's teasing about himself. Like, yeah, he's the guy. Let me jump on the bandwagon. Yeah, exactly. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back to wrap up with Bianca Del Rio and Chelsea. 2025 is bound to be a fascinating year.
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Starting point is 00:54:18 Bianca Roy, I love your energy. Oh, well, thank you. Listen, it's just what it is. For somebody who wears all this shit and drag, I'm just basically a normal person, which is funny, you know, because you put all these layers on, you put all this madness and people just assume that you're going to be different. No, I'm still the same sad fact out of it. So it's no big deal. It's what it is. Bianca, do you have any advice you'd like from Chelsea?
Starting point is 00:54:40 Well, I'm just curious, though, Chelsea. You've been around. You've had the block. I've been around the block. You've been around, Chelsea. You've been around. You've had... The block. I've been around the block. You've been around the block. I've been around Jenny's block. And you've also been, you know, in and out of a big Italian sausage.
Starting point is 00:54:52 You know, you've had... Oh, rehab. Oh, that's good. I haven't done rehab yet. Is it... Maybe that's the question. Is rehab worth it? I haven't been either, actually,
Starting point is 00:55:00 to be quite honest with you. I'm not doing that in this lifetime. I was just going to say, it's for quitters. But in general... I feel like I was in rehab the last lifetime and that you. I'm not doing that in this lifetime. I was going to say, it's for quitters. I feel like I was in rehab the last lifetime, and that's why I'm acting like this. That's why you said against it now. I guess the question I would have is, how do you maintain your sanity with as many projects as you have going on? Because of the fact that you basically, as a comedian, as a writer, as a person who's out there and making appearances and talking efforts, like even
Starting point is 00:55:28 just now giving advice to people, how do you find that balance for yourself to stay kind of in tune with yourself and also funny, entertaining, engaging in the business side of it as well? How do you, how do you do it? I mean, I hate saying I have a practice. I don't hate saying it. I'm just not used to saying that, but it is a practice. I practice it. I mean, I hate saying I have a practice. I don't hate saying it. I'm just not used to saying that. But it is a practice. I practice it. I practice making sure that this is not my whole life, that my whole life does not revolve around my career.
Starting point is 00:55:53 My career is pretty much the biggest thing in my life, but it doesn't take over my life. Like, I have a private life and a personal life, and I have friends, you know, lots of different groups of friends that have nothing to do with Hollywood, and I try to spend as much time as I can away from L.A. so that I am reminded about the rest of the world. Yeah. And I think that is a really important ingredient in terms of evolving and growing and learning.
Starting point is 00:56:17 You know, I'm always trying to learn. Even when I'm watching TV, I'm trying to learn something. You know, I try not to watch stupid shit so that I can be educated. But, you know, obviously I watch stupid shit as well. And, you know, when I'm reading to learn something. You know, I try not to watch stupid shit so that I can be educated. But, you know, obviously I watch stupid shit as well. And, you know, what I'm reading and stuff. But it's really important to, for me at least, it has been, to remain very grounded in terms of my relationship with my family and my relationship with myself. Not to be, not to have it all encompassing, you know, to have like a wide berth of interests, not a narrow field or to be like a hermit. You know, I always want to just go out and grow. And anytime I can, you
Starting point is 00:56:53 know, leave this country, I do it so that I'm not getting recognized every single place. And I'm not constantly being told nice things about myself or terrible things about myself. Either way, it's not about me. You know what I mean? You want to get to a place in your life where not everything is about you. Right, right. I think that's definitely the issues that lie within it because it's so, I guess with social media, there's so much that's there out in the world. And then everybody then starts to compare or analyze what everybody's doing in the world. And there's a huge part of my life that I don't put, as I was telling you before, I don't put all my business out there on the street. But what I do put out there, you are going to be judged by. So I try to maintain that sense of, hey, this is what this is. And this
Starting point is 00:57:32 is what my real life is. I just didn't know if that's like the best way to go. But it just seems like that works for you. So well, it's nice to integrate everything, you know, because whatever is happening in your private life and your personal life, you're able to bring with you to your profession and to your creativity and vice versa. So it's like it all feeds each other. You know, there is no perfect ratio of time spent in the public eye versus time spent in the private eye. But, you know, I'm a very public person. I'm totally down with that because I'm not trying to pretend I'm anything other than who I am. And I like that people respond to it.
Starting point is 00:58:05 So I have a lot of gratitude. But I also have a desire to not, you know, I can't tell you how nice it feels when you don't check Instagram all day, one single time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you could go a day, 24 hours, and then you start to deprogram yourself. Like, it's fine to be on social media, but not scrolling for hours blindly and mindlessly like that is just, and every time I give myself time like that, I'm always feel it. I'm like, Oh, you're fuller. Like you felt you've, you filled up your cup a little bit more today instead of depleting it with compare, contrast, gossip, looking at people, liking what they're
Starting point is 00:58:40 wearing, not liking what they're wearing, whatever, all of that bullshit. So I think it's a good practice to try and just always maintain a little bit of, you know, some other interests. Makes sense. Makes sense. It was great seeing you. I hope I get to see you in person one day soon. Yes, hopefully too.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Yes, we got to work that out. Next time you're around, we can make some ad does happen. Yeah, we can have a sausage party. Yeah, sausage party. All about it. I'll order up the Italian. That sounds like a friend, like a joke that one of his friends would make to him. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Welcome to the sausage party. Jason has arrived. Okay, have a great day. We love you. Thank you, babe. Thank you so much. All right, talk to you soon. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Bye. Bye. And don't forget, everybody, my new special, Revolution, is now streaming on Netflix. And it's badass. And then I'm doing a tour, a little big bitch tour. Go to ChelseaHandler.com for tickets. I've added some new dates.
Starting point is 00:59:31 I added a date in Monticello, New York. I'm coming to Colorado to Red Rocks Amphitheater. I'm coming to Kalamazoo. And then I'm coming to a bunch of places in Tennessee, Memphis, Knoxville, and Chattanooga. That's May 19th, 20th, and 21st. And then I'll be in Atlantic City, June 10th, which is almost sold out. So get your tickets. So if you'd like advice from Chelsea, just send us an email at dearchelseepodcast at gmail.com. Dear Chelsea is a production of iHeartRadio,
Starting point is 01:00:00 produced by Catherine Law and edited and engineered by Brad Dickert. Joel, the holidays are a blast, but the financial hangover, that can be a huge bummer. If you are out there and you're dreading the new statement email that reveals the massive balance that you may have racked up, well, you could use our help. That's right. I'm Joel. And I am Matt. And we're from the How to Money podcast. Our show is all about helping you make sense of your personal finances so you can ditch your pesky credit card debt once and for all, make real progress on other crucial
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