Dear Chelsea - Falling for Another Guy with D’Arcy Carden

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

D’Arcy Carden joins Chelsea to chat about eating her niece’s hair, why working on the Handmaid’s Tale was actually fun, and the best advice Ted Danson ever gave her. Then: An actor struggles to know what’s next in the shifting landscape of entertainment.  And a med student must decide between her fiance and the potential of another man. * Find Cassidi and her new production here * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was just at the beach. I was in the water. I actually took a water slide. I was on a water slide. I don't think I took a water slide. Yes. And then I just came, I came home and I took a show show and I'm getting ready for our group dinner. I love it. That's like the best part of the day during a vacation is like, you're all warm and toasty from the sun. You're getting all cleaned up to go out. I love that part of the day. And I'm reading the best book for our readers. I'm reading The Calamity Club by Catherine Stockett, which is fucking awesome. And a page turner. So. So if people are looking for a book and haven't read that, get that. You will like it. It's A plus for everybody. What's it about? She wrote The Help. And so she is like from the South and it's about a girl who is in an orphanage and her mother abandons her and like the saga of what happens. And then this other family, this other woman kind of ends up crossing paths with the girl in the orphanage while she's volunteering at the orphanage. and it blooms into this bigger, bigger saga. I don't know. There's a lot of twists and turns, and it's really compelling.

I don't want to give anything away because I'm only like three quarters of the way through, so I don't know what plot points to give away. But it's a great read, so I highly recommend. I'm reading The Strangers by Bell Burden on your recommendation, I believe, right? Oh, yeah. It's like the memoir that's popping off right now

and the husband leaves. Yes, even though I haven't read that book. I listened to her interview on Oprah, and I felt like I had read the book just from that interview. So no, I didn't read the book, but everyone's reading it. Yeah, yeah. It's great. Highly recommend. Well, our guest today was very fun. Yes, our guest today is an Emmy nominated actress, you know, from The Good Place, a league of their own, and our newest project, which is called Five Star Weekend. It's out today on Hulu. Please welcome Darcy Cardin. We have Darcy here today. Darcy Cardin is our guest today. I watched the first two episodes. of your newest show. Oh, yeah? Which is called five-star weekend. Yeah.

With, I watched two episodes last night and then they only sent me, Peacock does this kind of shit all the time. God damn it, whenever I have a guest on, you know, I get a special link and then I get to watch it. And then I'm like,

I go to watch the third episode and they only gave me two episodes. So I have to watch like regular people when it comes out. What's the point of having a podcast if I have to act like a regular person? Two episodes is like worse than zero. No, but it's great.

It's really good. And it made me wonder, It made me think, so Jennifer Garner is a widow in this show. I'm not going to give anything away because I don't think I have anything to give away. Right, right. And all of you girls come together. She brings five girlfriends or four girlfriends. Four girlfriends.

Four girlfriends from every different phase of her life. Childhood, her college best friend, her mom best friend and like her new best friend. And she's kind of like a Martha Stewart influencer type, right? Yeah. So, and you guys all kind of come together. and I like this concept a lot. A, these are kind of the shows of the moment where you go to a like a beautiful location.

I'm headed to Nantucketka too. I know, I saw that. I'm performing. Have you, had you been to Nantucketka before you? Not before we shot this. Okay. So Nantucket is a very, very specific slice of Americana. I am very curious though.

Do people really call it the tuck? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think. That's the first time I've heard of that. Does just my character say it or do other people say it? One other person says it. Two of you said it. Yeah. I like the way my laundry smells. Yeah. Well, I did your laundry so you're welcome. No problem. I can continue doing it. I do about once a month. Thank you.

Yeah, I think my character, Brooke, who's sort of like a little like desperate and a little like uncool. She keeps calling up the tuck. Is that how you play that as like desperate and uncool? Is that what you were thinking? I think she's just like she's trying so hard. She's really trying. Like she wants to fit. in. She loves Jen Garner's characters named Hollis and she just sort of like worships her and wants to fit in and cannot believe that she got the invite to this weekend. Yeah. So excited that even though, and you have your own

personal story that I'm sure will be uncovered as the series. I can't imagine what might happen there. But on the subject of going on girls' trips with strange girls that you don't know. Yo. Let's discuss that. I have a couple of friends that will not go on all girls' trips. They're like, I won't do that. It's too much drama every single time.

And I'm like, I don't as a, I'm, I think at this point, a semi-mature woman who can pretty I like, like, the unknown. I like dipping into a situation where I don't know anyone for a short period of time. Yeah, yeah. But I don't need to know anyone. I don't feel like I don't have any anxiety around that. That's cool. If someone annoys me, I just avoid them, you know?

Yeah. And I would never be a person that would get involved in. in like, you know, the drama. Totally. I just wouldn't. You just kind of like stay about it. I would just remove myself from that situation. I'm totally with you.

And I, yeah, I think, I think that trips like that can really stir up a lot of anxiety for people. But, yeah, I think it is like, I'm exactly the same as you. Like, like, I wouldn't get involved in the drama. If it happens, I can just sort of like step, God, have I ever gotten involved in the drama? I mean, of course, yeah. Right.

We're women and we're humans. Right. So at some point we were involved in the drama. Or at least we, like, chose a side or something like that. Or you like just kind of don't like someone. Like they rub you the wrong way. That happens. Yeah.

But yeah, when I think of girls trips, if anything like, if there is someone that's rubbing you the wrong way, you probably bond with someone else over it and it like strengthens your friendship. Yeah. Yeah. But in present day, if you were invited on a trip with your, like, say, somebody you admire a lot but didn't spend a huge amount of time with. And she's like, okay, five of us are going away. You won't know any of the others.

And you won't know any of the others. What would be your reaction? I would, okay, the fact that you said like someone you admire a lot, somebody that I like, somebody I love, somebody I want to spend more time with. Say Celine Dionne called you. Oh my God, I'm there. And she's like, hey, I have four girlfriends, and I loved your work in this. And I thought you'd be a great addition.

Honestly, I would totally go for the life story of it, right? Like, it's not going to be, even if I get there and it's a weird three days or whatever, it won't be not worth it. Okay. Yeah. So maybe that's too much of a... Right, right. But okay, so even if it's like somebody that's in your life that maybe you don't know that

well, but you're like, I like this person or I want to get to know them better. which I feel like I've been in that situation. I did go on a girl's trip with like four best friends and I was like the other one. And it was great. But it was I definitely was like, I was like a late invite. I was like. It's kind of scary. Yeah.

Like somebody else may have canceled. Exactly. Totally. And definitely, yeah, I felt like an outsider but not in a way that was that like ruined the trip. I was just sort of like getting to know them. Yeah. And you have to get up to speed on their personal stories and their inside jokes and all of that stuff.

And you kind of figure out who is really close. Yeah, I like that positioning. I like the study of kind of like sociology in those situations. Me too. And I like pairing up, you know, like finding like if it's a larger group. Like I like finding your little clique. Me too. And like having like I went on this trip to Antarctica and like five of us formed this like group.

I love it. Like a huge group. It was like 190 people. Yeah. And the five of us were like, oh, you know. And that was really fun. I love that. I mean, I haven't spoken to any of those people since. Sure.

You never will. Well, actually one. Yeah. That's all you need. Or two, two, two actually. But I loved it. Wow. The other three right now are like, I don't know.

She's still talking to two of them? I know. They're like, wait, what? You're answering other texts? And I don't, I hope this doesn't sound like toxic or whatever. But one thing I love about trips like that is finding your person or your five people or whatever where you can kind of like look at them and be like, like roll. Oh, this is a podcast.

So like roll your eyes at the person that's maybe being annoying or whatever. I mean, you know, like the not trauma bonding, but that thing where you have your person. You're commiserating together about the nonsense that's coming out. Yeah, I like that too. I like when you can look at a, it's like when you're in church. Not that I've been to church recently, but when you're in church and the pastor says something absolutely ridiculous and arcane that is nothing to do with present day society. And you lock eyes with someone else and you're both like, what are we doing?

I love that. I can marry that person. That's like bonding. But you're already married. Well, yeah. Well, that's not legal yet. Although I'm sure polygamy will become legalized within this administration. So just hold on tight.

Hold on to your pants. You're married, but you don't have any children. That's right. Okay, so. Dog, dead dog. Dog, but dead. No children, dead dog. Why don't you get another dog to replace the dead dog?

Well, we were thinking too. Yeah, I'm in pursuit of my second dog right now. Just because Doug has no social life. I mean, he does, but it's limited. Right. He wants someone. And he wants a lot of action and he has a lot of energy. And I, like, you know, I can throw something about three or four times before I was interested.

Yeah. And then I'm like, I'm not going to the park with him. You know what I mean? Let's be realistic. So tiny PSA, if you do get two dogs, don't get litter mates. Wait, this is actually huge info. Right, because everyone thinks, oh, their siblings. I was thinking about, we did this.

And apparent, like, they, when they were little, they had, like, sibling rivalry, like, litter mate syndrome. And they would be these tiny cute puppies. And they're, like, trying to rip each other's throats out. But now they're fine and they love each other. But we called multiple trainers and they were like, oh, you could just get rid of one of them. There's not really anything you can do. Oh, my God. I thought Byr and Bernice were brother and sister.

Were they bonded pair, a bonded pair already? Yeah, they were together. So when I got them, they were, because I went to get one and they were like, well, we have a brother-sister combo platter. That's kind of what we're like looking for. We're basically like already bonded. But even if they're older, like we keep thinking if we want to and how often do you see like a bonded pair, please don't split them up. But so often people are just looking for one. So we figure if we want to, we might as well look for a bonded pair, but maybe not litter mates.

Avoid, yeah, avoid litter mates. But if they already are bonded them. Well, also, somebody told me not to get. two males. Since Doug is such an alpha male, don't get another male, get a female. Yeah. So, Darcy, you don't have any children, but I read that you ate your niece's hair. Did you chew? What is this about? That's so funny. I'm going to cry. My niece, whom I love so much. My, like, I have some really great nieces and nephews. How many do you have? I have on my side, my side, I have two, four, six, and on my husband's side, I have two, four, six, eight.

Wow. And they're great. So you have 14 nieces and nephews. Yes. Wow, that trumps me. I only have eight. Well, that's a lot. But it is a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not married because I don't want any more nieces and nephews. Great. You would have more. That's my main reason. Yeah. So my little niece.

Okay, but let me just think of what this was. I love her so much. I need her. I love her. I'm like, I want to eat her. How old is she? Or was she? She's four now.

Oh, yeah. That's the best age. It is the best age. I'm going to see her this weekend. But, okay, so like little tiny baby infant, and she kept getting this one little knot in the back of her head, like this one little, these hairs that would just like knot up and you couldn't brush through them. And so my sister and her husband, this was her first haircut. It was just like, not even a haircut. It was truly like that.

Ding. And so they cut it off. And then I think truly just to like, there's something about wanting to eat her. And then there's also something about wanting to make my sister laugh. I just put it in my mouth. Oh, so you just, okay, I got it. But, I mean, that's kind of gross. Well, is it, though?

I mean, how gross can a four-year-old hair be? No, and she was also an infant. This was like her, this is like, she's like, it's pure. She's like six months old or something. That's, it's pure hair. And I'm sure, like, we do weirder things to like, you know, we, what are we putting in our skin? You know what I mean?

Oh, no. Our hair is dirty even, but at least kids are protected. Like, their skin and their hair, their breath. Everything is fine for the first couple years, you know? I think so, too. And that's nice. I agree. Yes.

Like, you could eat, like, if a doctor. was like, just drink the baby's pee. I'd be like, okay. Yeah, no, there's nothing weird in there yet. Exactly. There's nothing strong enough in there that I'm going to get, I'm going to get sick or like that is going to be too strong of a flavor or a taste. I'm sure that, no, I don't even want to go down this road, but I'm sure there's like

health benefits. Yeah, I don't think we need to be talking about drinking children's urine on this podcast. I don't know who brought that up. And you can cut that out. Well, I think we're going to leave it in. That'll be the promo, actually. Yeah.

Yeah. So I want to, so with 14 nieces and nephews. 14, right? We said, or 8 and 8 is 16. You said 8 and 6. 14. Okay, great. So that's like a lot of responsibility.

Like I felt, or I did initially. I would say this feeling is starting to wane. Okay. I felt like very serious about becoming, like, about being an A plus aunt. The aunt. Like I'm the one, I will take care of you forever. You come to me with any real problems. Yeah.

That feeling has faded for me. Because of like just they're getting older or just so many of them. I guess so. Yeah. I guess because they're getting older. Not because of the volume of, not because of the number. Just because they're getting older. And then once they develop their own opinions about things, I start to lose interest.

Yeah. Yeah. Once they have like their own. Like if they're if they say like, I guess display idiocy. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're like, you're done.

I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't spend all this time with you. Totally. You didn't have access to our family. Right. And all of our democratic values, which is usually my big issue. Right. To end up like this.

Right. Like, what are you doing? I didn't raise you like this. Yes. Yes. I didn't spend money to make sure that you're... To have this be the end of results. Totally, totally.

Where is most of your family in California? No. No, they're in New Jersey. Okay. Where did you grow up? In the Bay Area. Oh, okay. That's where one of my sisters lives.

I'll visit her. I love the Bay Area. I do too. That's like one of my favorite. places to not only perform. Oh, I bet they fucking love you. Yeah, San Francisco's a great city for comedy because I used to start there. Like when I was a great city for comedy. Like Cobbs, but before Cobbs, the punchline and then Cobbs got, they redid it and it was really even better than the first Cobbs. Yeah. But San Francisco's a great city just for a bevy of reasons. And I think that's a great

place to live. Yeah. We grew up, you know, outside of San Francisco, but, but that's, that was our city. Yeah. Where outside of San Francisco? I grew up in a town called Danville. which is like next to Walnut Creek, which is next to Berkeley, if that rings any bells. And almost all of my family is still there. And I'm one of four. You're one of six. Six. You're one of four.

Four. Look at us. Yeah. Look at us. And none of us are procreating. Look at us. Look at us. And three of us coming from huge families and we're like not in Jesus.

We have dogs. So, okay. So this weekend, I'm going to a cousin's wedding in Portland. and Oregon. Oregon. And staying in a big house with mom, dad, sister, her kids, husband, my husband, aunt, uncle, two cousins, and down the street from my sister who has two kids. It's going to be like a very family family family.

That sounds like fun, though. It will be fun. But you know why? Because it's a weekend. Yeah. It's not a week. Right. That's the key.

Right. Yeah. Two 48 hours, 72 hours, tops and that's it. And then get out. Yeah. I'm not, it doesn't even sound overwhelming to me. Like I think a lot of people would be like, ooh, you're going to need some alone time. I'm like, I want more.

And are you the fancy person in your family because of your, because you're on TV and you're an actress? I wonder if I am. Do they treat you that way? No, no. No. Yeah. I don't know what. Maybe because it came to me later.

I don't know. Maybe because they're all kind of like, whoa, you're on TV. Like, it's not like I've been on TV since I was like a young, hot 20 year old. Well, when it came to you later, I mean, you're all over, though. Like, you're on all sorts of different shows. You've been on the good place. so many years. I feel like you're on as many things as Nicole Kidman right now. Imagine. I feel like there are two of Nicole Kidman because there's no way that Nicole Kidman can do everything

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Listen to waking up with Ryan on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. First, I want to talk about, so sunny nights, right? I thought that was related to always sunny in Philadelphia for some reason. I know, I know. If you like take an off show. Right, totally. That's like a spinoff. And you got to shoot that in Australia.

And you want to go back to Australia and shoot a season two. I love Australia. I do too. We shot in Sydney. We lived on the beach. We just like, it was a really good life. I know. It's a beautiful lifestyle that they've created for themselves.

And you can kind of see yourself just staying there. Yeah. And I've shot a lot of things in a lot of different places that I've loved, but I've never wanted to just. I always am sort of like ready to go back home. And with Australia, I was like, can we stay? I know. And I've looked into it. It's quite expensive, but I don't think it's more expensive than L.A.

And you're rich. It's just, yeah. But if you go there, then, like, you know, coming back and forth is a big issue. Right, right, right, right. Because that's not an easy time skip. Like, that's the worst jet like I've ever had is going. Usually I can go to Europe and I'm fine. Like, I can adjust.

But Australia, you like, two days, you're like, fucked up. It almost seems impossible. Like, it almost seems like, like, getting to Australia seems like, well, that's, I can't get there. Like, there's no way to get there. And the friend of mine who was the showrunner of that show, Trent O'Donnell, he shoots a lot of things in Australia and a lot of things in America. So he is like, he's got that trip down. He will come to L.A. for like 48 hours. Does that seem nuts?

Yeah, that does. Yeah. Because it takes like 15 hours. I know. Right? From here to L.A. or to Australia is like a 15 hour flight. But it was, it was just great. I loved living there.

I loved. We like went in the ocean a lot. I sort of became a beach person and then came back here and went to Santa Monica and was like, and he's not the same. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah. I know it's there, but nobody's really in it.

Right. So tell me what you thought of going to, switching gears to this show that we're talking about. How long did you spend in Nantucket? We were there for like a month. And were you guys all in some house together? We were in, I feel like you probably know Nantucket up. Well, I knew Martha's Vineyard well because I grew up on Martha's Vineyard.

But I've only been to Nantucket, I think, three or four times. There's like a place called The White Elephant. Oh, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's kind of all over the place where it's like, you know, apartments and little homes. And that's so fun, though, to go all. Isn't that so fun? It's so fun.

Go with a bunch of cast members. It is a little bit like White Lotus. Yeah. And it's like we had spent the summer in L.A. shooting. And we were doing, it was like not a hard shoot, but we were doing six day weeks, which I had never done before. And we were just like, it was like, it was like. Like work, work. And then we got this little vacation at the end, which still was work. Like we kind of kept, we would be on set in Nantucket, like looking around and we're being, wait, I thought this was a vacation. But it was vacation. It was like, when you're on location, you know this. Like when you're on location, it's so different than shooting in your home. When you're shooting in your home, you go home afterwards and you like go to the doctor's appointment and you have to go grocery shopping or whatever. But when you're on vacation, you really are like,

What are we going to do tonight? When you wrap, you're like, let's go to dinner. Let's get a drink. Yeah, and that's so fun. There's like that sleepaway camp five. It's so sleepaway camp. And with these women, too, with, so it's Jen Garner, Chloe 70, Regina Hall, Gemma Chan. And then like Judy Greer and Timothy, Allifent and like, just an amazing cast.

These are also like really professional, accomplished people that are, you know, they're like, they've got families and we're not like partying. in L.A. or whatever. And so it was so fun to go to Nantucket with them and like really, you know, really, really live it up. Yeah. It was great. It was great. Timothy Olafont. I once someone, when Timothy Shalame was becoming famous, this was years and years ago, someone had reached out and said, can you get a birthday message from Timothy Shalame? Okay. And I thought they meant Timothy Olafant. So I forwarded the message from my friend to my agent and I said, is there anywhere you can get a birthday message to this girl from, I just forwarded the email. So I assumed it was Timothy Oliphon because that was the only Timothy

I knew and I had just seen him. And I was like, he'll do it. He's a totally nice guy. And then I got a video back of Timothy Shalamee and I was like, who's this little pipsque? I was like, who's this little pipsqueak? And this is when he was like, you know, even littler. Yeah, right, right. And he, but he was so sweet. He had sent this whole birthday message. And when I sent it back to my friend, she was like, oh my God, I can't believe you got that. And I'm like, who is this? And she's like, it was right before called me by your name. I guess was his first big movie anyway. But I was like, I saw Timothy after that and I went to go thank him. And I was like, oh, I want to thank you for that birthday. And I'm like, actually no, you're the wrong Timothy.

Yeah, that's the story of my life. Getting celebrities confused. Always. And the access you have to them is so funny. I know. I know. Because it's like, you know, I meet celebrities all the time. But I think I'm meeting for the first time. And then they'll be like, oh, no, you interviewed me. And I'm like, well, that's impossible to remember. I just think that must be insane. To have, to have interviewed everyone. You've met everyone, but also it's like.

A blur. On a different level. Yeah. It's a blur. And especially, yeah. So anyway, back to you. Yeah. So is this a kind of trip that you would take, like, within real life?

Would you go on a trip with five girlfriends? Let's see. Yeah, I would. I mean, you know what? Because I'm really close with my two sisters and we take trips together. If someone handed me a trip, I'd be like, I'd probably say to my sisters, let's go. But, you know, there was a while where, let's see, this is pre-COVID. There was like every in between, let's say, like, every New Year's week, a big group of friends would go on these kind of like extravagant vacations together.

It was six couples. Holy shit. Wow. Six couples. Somehow we made this work. No one had kids yet. It's all people that, like, we came up together at U.S. in New York and then everyone is sort of like working in TV and starting to get like a little bit

of money. So we were like, nobody has kids. Let's like blow it out and go on these amazing vacations because someone will start having kids next year and we won't be able to do it again. And people just kept not having kids. So we did it for like five years. And we went to like Borobora and Paris and Hawaii and Costa Rica. And we did these like really fun vacations. And those were like some of my favorite life memories. Bora Bora Bora was one of the, if it was one of the, it was one of the top five trips of my life. It's not real. It's not real.

The whole time I was like, is this man made? I don't understand. I felt the same way. I was like, am I at Disney, like a off shoot of Disneyland? Like it's so, it looks like it's created by imaginers. And I do want to go back. Like, I haven't had enough. That's what I said.

I was like, I was like, I'm going to rent this place out for my 50th and then I didn't. So I have to figure out a time where I can do that because I remember crying the day I left Bora Bora because it's so beautiful. and the volcanic rock, like the way the water is, you can actually see a change color. It's like bifurcated by volcanic rock. Totally. So it goes from like dark blue to medium blue to light blue to lavender to dark purple.

And you can just see the ridges. Like you go over and you're like, it's a completely different color of water. It's so gorgeous. You've kind of like never seen anything like it. Like you are in just sort of a state of joy. Yes. It's just like your eyes feel good.

And it really, it's not even like there's that much to do there. It's just, so good. It's just beautiful. It really is a slice of heaven. And it takes you a long time to get there. So once you get there, you go to park it. Yeah. Park it. Yeah. You could do it for 52, 53. I know. It doesn't have to be a special number. That's true. That's true. Yeah. To throw everybody off. What do you think, like, since you have two sisters that you sound like you're pretty close with, who is one of them? Like if I asked you who was the biggest influence in your life, would it be one of your sisters? Hmm. Biggest influence in my life. Like, my immediate answer is my dad. Oh, great. Yeah. I feel like as a kid,

I really, like, looked up to him in a way where I was like, I want to be like him, you know? What was it about him that you admired? He was like, I mean, is. He, like, what growing up with him, I felt like, I mean, so smart, fun. Like, I think vivacious is maybe a word that describes women, but very like full of life and, and friendly, like, every, you know, friends, made friends wherever he went. I would say like everybody described him the same, which is like, I love him. Like, oh, Dennis is your dad. I love Dennis. He owned a music magazine.

So he had all these like cool employees that would always say like he was the best boss. I don't know. There's just like I feel like very positive about him. And he just sort of like went for what he wanted. And I just admired him. He also gave me and my siblings so much confidence. How? Okay.

Yeah. He I really, in my mom too. They really, okay, so three daughters and a son, they really made us feel like we could do whatever. the goddamn hell we wanted to in the entire universe. Like, I really grew up thinking that maybe I would be like a major league baseball player because my dad was just like, you can do that. Right. And he would say this thing. Meanwhile, you can't. Meanwhile, don't forget. They won't let you. Not yet. Yeah, barely. No, I mean, it's truly so far away. But he would say this thing to me and my siblings before like a sports game or before a play or something. A sports game.

Okay. I would say the same thing. Yeah, you know what I mean. Where he would, he'd kind of like rub my shoulders and you'd go, you are the best. You are the king of the world. There's nobody better than you. And he'd like say it over and over like a mantra or like, you know, it did something to me. It really, I really took it on. Well, because I think we take on, not I think, it's pretty obvious that whatever like the most hurtful things your parents have ever said to you and the most loving things are the things that stick with you the most. That is so true. When they're constantly instilling support and love in you, like the reason why it adds up, it's kind of like the marble jar. Like, right?

They keep telling you. Little by little. You believe it. And like what does a little child need more than that to believe in themselves? Totally. Like when I think of sort of like the best compliment or something I've ever received in my life, it would just be my parents saying like, we're proud of you. Right.

You know? And they're not even, they're not stingy with it. But like, you know, it really means something. Yeah. I remember looking at my father thinking I, he motivated me in the exact opposite way. Okay. Like I was like, I will not be anything like you. Okay.

Even though I am a lot like him in my drive and kind of personality, I'm out there and I'm outspoken and all of those things, his whole like kind of moral compass was off. And I didn't like that. I was like, oh, I'm never going to be a cheater or a liar or that's why I'm so, passionate about being direct and being honest, even when the situation doesn't call for it. Right, right, right. Because I just want to make sure that I'm on the level. You're on the right side. Yeah. Like, I'm like, I'm not a liar. You'll never catch me in a lie. Like, if there's something bad I've done, I'll come forward with it. That's a great quality. Well, thank you. But it was more

of like watching him as a deterrent. Yeah. Yeah. And me being like, oh, I'm going to be, you know, different than that. Yeah. That's so interesting that we almost did like the same thing, but the opposite. I'm like, I want to be, what I will make of my life and the person that I will be, you is directly related to my dad, and you're like, me too, but the opposite. But it's still true that regardless of those differentiations, you really, all you want as a child is for your parents to be proud of you, especially when you're a girl, your dad. And I guess probably if you're a boy too, but there's something about your father saying, I'm proud of you.

And, you know, that we're all striving for, no matter how old you get. Totally. And he was also, like, he would dabble in acting. He would do, like, the, like, community theater play here and there. or he was on stage a lot. He was like a, he was like a showman. And it really made it feel possible for me too. I was like, I want to do that. That's what I want to do. Hey, I'm Tori Webster and I host That Digital Take. If you've ever wondered how the internet really works from influencer culture to digital marketing and pop culture, this is your inside look.

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You're also in Lute, which is on Apple with Maya Rudolph. Who's 100? 100%. I mean. Who's 100? I mean, that's just one of your show. And your Handmaid's Tale also.

That was wild. Which is wild. It's just wild to be able to toggle and also very admirable. Thanks. To be able to toggle back forth between comedy and drama in that way. Thank you so much. That is like important to me. You know, I love doing comedy and I really like found myself in comedy. But my, I mean,

not to say like my education, but, but my foundation is in like, you know, Shakespeare and like the straight plays and the classics and stuff like that. And then sort of realized that I kept getting cast as like the funny girl in those things. And then really like dove into comedy in New York, but I love doing all of it. I had, I had like a friend, an early, okay, in New York when I was like a struggling actor, I had an older woman friend who actually, the story is too weird, but who actually like used to be my high school teacher. And then we ran into each other in New York. And she was like divorced and young and was like, let's hang out. Yeah, that is weird. It was, I like, I like, I know. And then we like really hung out a lot. But because she was, because she had been my

teacher, she was always like giving me advice. Yeah. And she was like, you. need to pick Elaine. She was like, you are all over the place. Like, you need to be the comedy girl. You need to be this. You need to be that. And I remember being like, I know this is good advice, but like, I really don't want to do that. I really don't want to. I want to, like, I'm so afraid of picking Elaine. I'm so afraid of like being pigeonholed, I guess, as one thing. Yeah. So, so I didn't do that, you know. So you didn't take her advice. I didn't take her advice. Are you still friends with that woman? No. She actually was kind of toxic. I was going to say it had the makings of a toxic relationship.

But I like when somebody gives you unadulterated advice about something they know nothing about also. Based on what are you giving me a surprise? When an older person is giving you advice, you always think it's impactful. And then when you are older than that person giving you the advice, you're like, you knew nothing. Exactly. You know what's it like to be on the set on the Handmaids tale? You know what's funny that you asked that is that I also wondered that in the years of watching it. The years of watching. I blame that show for the situation we're in for giving all of

these Republicans these ideas. I know that these ideas have been germinated for quite some time. And it's not a new thing. But I feel like that show showed us what the absolute worst outcome could be. And then they're like, let's try it. Right. We're like, oh, it works sort of. Shoot for the moon. God. When I was on The Good Place, I remember watching Handmaid's. Which is the exact opposite vibe of And that was kind of my thought was like every day on the good place is a good day. I'm like so happy. I'm surrounded by the most wonderful people. I get to do the most fun, lovely scenes.

And then I was like watching the show, which I love the The Handmaid's Tale. But I was thinking like that's not a good day on set. That is like a bad day at work. And I ran into Bradley Whitford on an airplane. I love Brad. Love him, the best. Yeah, he's the cute. Yeah, I love him.

He truly is. West Wing. He's so hot. And so hot in West Wing. So hot and West Wing. Oh. West Wing is, I mean, that is a show worth watching over and over again. Yeah.

And I do every night as my husband falls asleep to it. Oh, you do? That is like his full comfort show. But yes, so I, were you like looking up West Wing? Yes, a little bit. Okay. That wasn't one I watched. That wasn't one.

Yeah. It's like the wire. I didn't watch that until somebody made me watch it. And then I tried like three times. It was like Breaking Bad. There are like three shows that I've taken, like it's taken me three fall starts to get into. And then once I got in, I watched them all within like once, one week. And you understand. And then I was like, oh my God, I'm attracted to Brian Cranston.

I can't stop thinking about it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. But so he had just done his first season on on Handmaids. And so I got to ask him basically, like, what is that set like? It seems so like dark. And he was like, it's actually the opposite. We're like dancing, we're joking. where how it's like there's like it's very light which I was almost like yeah right like you're lying and it is that it's really they keep it light they keep it there's like I think intentionally light you know what I mean well I think yeah absolutely the subject matters too so dark is too dark too and the the I mean I came on it in the last three episodes of the last season so they it was like a well-oiled machine but they really are these like some some of the most amazing actors I've ever

worked with that can really just like well lizzie is ridiculous i mean she does scenes by her she's basically acting alone and half of the show like she does scenes where there's not another person in them and she the other person is like her the camera that's like right here and her face facial expressions and the look of fear like what that woman can accomplish in just like i mean it's she should be teaching acting classes to people she's like she is on another level she is she can the way she can like pop in and out of it is I've never seen it in my life. We're talking about Elizabeth Moss. Elizabeth Moss, yes.

Yeah. There was like, I'm remembering a scene where she's like walking out to, this isn't a spoiler. Well, whatever. She's like walking out to be hung, which doesn't end up happening. Yes, I know what you're talking about. And I'm like in with a noose around my neck, like watching her come out. It's so dark.

So dark. And the camera is an inch away from her face. And she's also directing this episode. And she's like tears in her eyes. about to be murdered and she can see in the reflection of the camera that her little like, I want to call it a habit, but whatever the like, the like, you know, handmaid's head covering thing is like off. And she like giggles and fixes it and then just like drops back in. Doesn't break stride, doesn't like have to reset, doesn't need to start over,

knows what the edit will look like well enough to be like they're not going to, I mean, she just is like a machine. Yeah. It's wild. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. Who's somebody that you've worked with besides Liz Moss, Lizzie Moss, that you, that you, have learned so much from? You know, like, Ted Danson really pops into my head. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, Ted... He's a smooth operator. He's a smooth operator. He's been doing it so long. He's so grateful. He's, I mean, he's, he's a couple things. He's like a good time on set. He's, he's, everybody's best friend, but he's also such a fucking good actor. And it's almost like, you almost forget that because he's Ted Danson. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's true. As you were saying that, I'm like, Yeah, I guess he is a good actor because it's always Ted dancer. Totally. He's so open and receptive and as a person and as an actor. He really just, he's listening, he's reacting.

He's like, he's not, he's just, he's just kind of perfect. He's kind of like your perfect scene partner. And he's the type of guy and also Henry Winkler's like this too, where they really, they've been doing this a long time and they remind you like how lucky we are. I'm surmising from what you're telling me and from knowing both of them, that they are good at making sure you, everyone else on set feels really comfortable. Totally. Yeah.

They're both so good at that. Yeah, they don't take their position lightly, I think. Do you take acting pretty seriously? In a way, like, not in a method sort of way at all, but my God. But in a, like, I really feel like it's my life's purpose. And so every time I get the opportunity, I'm like, don't waste this. And I fucking love it. I think that's a great piece of advice for anybody in anything.

In anything they love. Don't waste this opportunity. Right. Because sometimes it's easy to just be like, fuck it, let me just get through something. Not necessarily with an acting gig. But sort of. But perhaps if you have a lot of other things going on in your life or if it's a weak job and you're like, I forget, let me just mail this in.

I've got other things to deal with, whatever. But I think that's good advice. Yeah. When any opportunity, I read something the other day that hit me. And I don't know, maybe I said this on the podcast. but it's not about the outcome of your opportunities, it's about the shot that you get. I agree. Like you got the shot, take the shot, you shoot your shot.

And instead of attaching yourself to what will result from the opportunity, and I loved that because it's just a reminder to stay in the moment that you're in and don't get ahead of yourself. I've been really feeling like that with career and acting stuff, which is that I think in the beginning it was so outcome-based. It was like, you know, like this, I don't know, like. Well, this industry is outcome back. Completely. And then I started realizing that like the days on set, the days like doing the acting

with the people was actually all I gave a shit about. Like I have a hard time like watching it afterwards. Like I'm not really, you know, if this show is a hit or not, it's like interesting, but it's not the thing, you know? And that, yeah, I just, that has really, really hit me lately. And like Australia is a perfect example of that because when we did it, it was. wasn't on Hulu yet. It was, it was going to just be in Australia and on Stan. Love You Stan. Love you, Stan. They have great shows in Australia. Yeah, they really do. I watch a lot of

crime shows from Australia. Great crime shows. Yeah, because they have real actors. Yeah. Not, you know, not everybody's beautiful and I appreciate that. I totally agree. God, I love those actors. Same with BBC. Yeah. But I was like, if this doesn't, it was, I was enjoying it so much that I was like, if this doesn't even go to America, I kind of don't care. Like, I wouldn't have not done this. Yeah. Right, right, right. You know, America. Did you bring your, America. in the land of the free and the home of the break. The place. Did you bring your short king husband to Australia with you?

He came with me for like half of it. So I was there for like four months. Is he an actor as well? He's a producer. He runs Seth Meyer's production company. So we're both sort of in like the same world. Yeah. We're certainly in the same circle.

Yeah, you are in the same circle. But he came out for like half of it, the last half. And he would wake up at like four in the morning and work. work and then go to the beach. It was like a really good life. He would, he would work like whatever America's schedule is, New York schedule. And then, yeah, and then he would like, the second half of the day, he would just be like an Australian dude. I wonder if Australia is ready and has the capacity to absorb half of America. We're there. Because how many people do? I just learned that L.A. County is only four, or not L.A. County. L.A. proper. It's only four

million people. L.A. County is like 11 or something. I thought it would be way more than four million. I mean, Australia has a lot of room, right? It's just like we want to be able to be. Yeah, but we want to put the snakes on one side of the island and the spiders and the spiders. Because it is kind of surprising when you go to Australia, because I've gone there touring several times in my career. And you forget that it's basically the same like distance as America. Like if you go from Perth to Sydney, it's like a five hour flight. And you're like, wait, what? Right. I thought this was a little place. But it's not as big people. There's a lot of spiders. But in that show, Sunday nights, Will Forte plays my brother, and his family was out there, his beautiful wife, Olivia, and his kids.

And we really talk about going back there a lot, like living there in a way that I just haven't experienced before. I know. And they're just very civilized the way that they've set up their lifestyle. There's bike paths in every major city in Australia. They set up like when you're in the harbor, the Sydney Harbor is one of the most beautiful harbors because they have no shipping containers. That's right. And I'm like, where do they put the shipping containers? somewhere else. I'm not seeing it. Not anywhere we can see him and I appreciate that. I know.

And I walked, I like sort of discovered my love of just walking. Like walking. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's just like, you just, it's really, it's made for people to like enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm Tori Webster and I host that digital take. If you've ever wondered how the internet really works from influencer culture to digital marketing and pop culture, this is your inside look. Each week, I share what's actually working online, the behind the scenes of building a career as a creator, and real conversations with people shaping the industry. Think of it like your big sister guide to the digital world. Follow that digital take on IHeart Radio or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Okay, we're going to take some callers. We give out advice. People are going to call in live. Let's begin this portion of this episode by you can tell, you can choose to tell me, either one great piece of advice that you've been given or a really bad piece of advice that you've been given. Okay. It's funny. I mean, I guess I told you the bad advice from my former teacher. I guess like, it's not funny. I just love like, do you want to hang out with your former student? There's something wrong about that. And I'm not quite sure what it is. And I also wanted to call her

like, miss whatever. Yes, I know. She's like, stop. Like, I got a hot new husband. I'm not a teacher anymore. I'm an aspiring actress. It was really very funny. Okay, this is too much about acting, but it just rings. That's okay. And it's from Ted, which was playing Janet on The Good Place was sort of like, basically he was like, whatever you do next, have it be the exact opposite from this and continue to do that throughout your career. Yeah, that's great advice. And that has really like been my North Star. That's great advice. And it's helped me with like doing things I'm scared of. of doing things that maybe I wouldn't want to say yes to to really like follow your gut, I guess. Yeah. So that's really helped me. Me, but that's, you know, that's advice for an actor.

Yeah. Or maybe. We're not. Yeah. Maybe not. It all, it can. I think in any creative endeavor, it's good to shake it up and do what people don't expect. Like in life, right? Like in life, we get so stuck in our ways that we're like, I mean, I'm, you know, the older we get, it's so easy to get stuck in your, in your patterns and to like do things that's scared. us, I think, is how we like live a full life and stay young. And, you know, I, I feel like I see that too much. Just people sort of like. Yeah. It's just also good to get the adrenaline pumping, right? Like if you're so accustomed to something or you've gotten really good at one thing, it's like, okay, that's great. But also, like, the fear subsides. And I feel like fear is a healthy

ingredient before you're about to take something on. And I'm a big, like, I talk to my friends a lot about like fear, that you have to be a little scared or something. Yeah. If you are a little scared, that's probably a reason to do it, you know? Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I have an actor question. Oh, perfect.

So we'll just go right on. Yeah. Okay. And Ted is here in spirit. Ted dancing is always in the spotlight. Truly. Totally. Well, Cassidy says, dear Chelsea, I've been an actor my whole life and I've spent the

last 11 years in L.A. working in commercials, TV, and creating my own projects when opportunities weren't there. Over the years, I've learned how to make things happen for myself. I've now produced multiple projects. I've done stand-up at the improv and the ice house, and I even have a one-woman show. I co-wrote and am performing about choosing not to have kids and what that means for your identity and relationships. And we're putting that up soon.

But I'm hitting a wall. I came out here to be a series regular on a TV show and have a work family, but the industry has changed so much over the past few years. Despite everything I've built, I feel like I keep having to start over. I've never been able to fully move on from this path, even when it's been painful. but I also don't know if I'm being resilient or if I'm just stuck. Most of the advice we get is just keep going. But what if you really are that person that just keeps going? With how much the industry has shifted, how do you evolve your path without feeling

like you're abandoning your original dream? Thanks, Cassidy. Wow, Cassidy. Hi, Cassidy. Hi. Hi. We have a bona fide actor with us today. I'm Darcy.

I'm Darcy. I'm on the right episode. Hi, Darcy. Hi. Darcy, why don't you start if you don't mind? I don't. Because you are more of an actor than anyone else in this room. You're not an actor. I'm a comedian. I'm like a little bit.

Right. Not really. I really relate to this. I really like understand and I feel you so hard on this. I know this struggle so well. You're like I also don't want to know what to do. I will truly. I mean for sure the industry is changing so much and there is this feeling of like, do I need to sort of like widen my view?

Like do I need to learn how to do? other things or, you know, you kind of, we're in flux right now. So, so much. I really feel that. But also just the feeling of like moving to a city and, and with this goal and it's not quite happening, but it's not not not happening. But it's not exactly happening. Like, I think, you know, I lived in New York for 11 years, made $5 as an actor, but also like was very artistically fulfilled because I was doing what you're doing, which is like putting shows up and, and, you know, writing and doing improv and doing sketch and stuff like that and auditioning for things. And then moved to L.A. And it was a similar thing where I was like, I had this feeling

where it's like, this thing that I wanted seems like it's not going to happen. And it's like, do I face that reality? Am I happy? What's bringing me joy? And I sort of like realized that I was, I had to like shift my idea of what I thought my life was going to be a little bit, but realized that I was happy doing the things that you're doing. I was happy doing the things that you're doing. But do you know what I mean? Like putting up your shows, it's such a struggle. It's just, it's such an unpredictable business.

And especially the time that we're living in, I think it's just so important to have like a couple of ducks in a row that are not just acting. Right. And not just performing. And it sounds like you do, do you? I've got about three jobs. So, yeah. So you're a set.

For sure. The jobs and also, but like, I mean, so many actors, like you're already in a dog, you're already so far ahead of it because so many actors come to L.A. or New York with only the goal of like auditioning to get the job. And it sounds like you are, you're doing your own thing too, right? You're writing your own shows. Like that, that's the advice is like you have to. Self-produce, self-create, all of that.

stuff. It sounds like you're on top of it. Yeah. And I'm really excited about the show. And I've done other shows before, like I said, and I've produced my own thing. And this one truly does feel like it's kind of my purpose on Earth, which is a crazy thing to say. Yeah, because it's what I've gone through with unpacking that I don't want to have kids, but what that means as an identity and what does that mean for my future? Because I discovered that in my 20s. So I was like, well, you know, a lot of time. And most people with their older are dealing with their kids or their grandkids. And I was like, so what am I going to be doing? So it is fun in a way.

And the energy shift that I think you both were talking about, I'm getting so much better at, especially over the last year. And I can definitely see things coming toward me because of it. Yeah. So I'm happy about that. And I know it's a sort of nuanced question that nobody really knows what to say besides It's like just keep going. But yeah, I was wondering if there was like any in between because I know you, I'm sure you two, even including Catherine, know what I mean when you're like, okay, cool.

Like let's discover this part of this medium. And then you kind of feel like you're starting over. And then you're like, okay, we did that. That was fun. I did it well, actually. But it doesn't feel like something I want to do forever. and that's also what I kind of came here to do. Like, I went to school for music theater.

I've done film and TV out here. I like it all. But, you know, when you focus on too many things, your energy gets diffused. But then you also don't want to focus only on one thing. Exactly. Betting on that. So there's all this sort of on the opposite end of the spectrum advice.

Yeah, I think it's really discerning, like, where you want to put your energy in focus and writing that down. You know, like, what gives you the most, feedback, payback, enjoyment out of all of the things that you're doing and then narrow it down to like the three things that A, are providing you with income and the stability to live and be safe, you know, and feed yourself obviously. And then get to the second tier of things like which ones do you enjoy, which ones give you life, which ones, which aspects of this industry, because the industry is always going to be shifting. Like I did Howie Mandel's podcast a couple

weeks ago. And he was saying, if you're doing comedy the same way you were doing it 15 years ago, you're missing the whole boat. Like, everything has changed. And I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm doing comedy the same way I was 15 years ago. He's like, no, Chelsea, you have a whole social media platform that you didn't have 15 years ago. And I was like, oh yeah, you're right. And he's like, yeah, you're on. What are you on? I was like, all of them probably, you know. And you're doing a podcast. Like, you're adapting. So like, that's something that I stood out to me that he said is like, you do see the difference between people who adapt versus people who resist. Totally.

Like, yeah, area is coming. It scares the shit out of everyone. But you have to deal with it. Like, we can't just be like, I'm not going to use it. That's not helpful either. And live performance is also something that, you know, is not going to be easily replaced. Right.

People don't want to go see a hologram perform. I mean, I'm sure some people do, but most people don't. I heard something interesting recently, which was we were very excited in the like 70s and 80s about a computer being able to win at chess. until it actually beat a person and then we didn't care anymore. And we just watched people play chess. I mean, if you're into that sort of thing.

Right, right, right. So, yeah, that's interesting. Okay, one thing that, like, stuck out to me, as you said, like, you feel like this show is your purpose on earth. I think, like, follow that feeling, right? Like, like, that is so attractive. And I think just, you know, it's, it might not be tomorrow that, like, the thing happens from the show or whatever.

But you having that feeling of not the desperation of, like, this is going to bring me something, but just more like, I love what I'm doing right now. That is so attractive. Totally. Right? And so then it's like, you know, I think good things will come from that. So I think, like, loving what you're doing and following your passion, I know this maybe sounds a little like, duh, but it's like that is, you're doing it right.

And then, you know, yeah, you have to have this job and that job that pays the bills. But that can start changing tomorrow. I don't know. It's hard. I think that's true. I think everything you're saying is right. It's very hard to live an artist's life. It's very unpredictable. So like that's what you signed up for. And this is just part of that. And so when you think about it that way, like it just kind of comes with the territory. You get to do what you love to do with also the side of instability. Right. So you just kind of have to warm up to that idea and do everything that you can to protect all of the things that are going to keep you safe, housed, clothed and fed. I know you know this also, but like you get the show to. tomorrow you get the TV show and it lasts for one season and then you're like right back and this yeah you're right back to where the same feeling that you had before this business is so up and down and I don't I mean even even someone that's like been doing it as long as you like you've I'm sure you feel that

you know like yeah like the you're on top you're on bottom you're on it's just it's it's it's not it's not for the faint of heart so whatever yeah I decided a while ago to stop putting energy into quitting Yeah. Because I tried to quit so many times and I just kept coming back to it. That's something to listen to. And it's a part of the energy shift. I think too, though, there's like, you know, you want to have goals and you're supposed to have goals.

And of course I have because you want to know where you're going. But then a lot of the things that I've been a part of, I would have never been able to put down. And they've been some of my happy stays. Right. So there's that weird in between. Yeah, being open to. You want to have a big goal, but you're supposed to have a space. It's like a goal.

I'm not a real goal-oriented person. I'm just more of a like, I kind of fly by the seat of my pants a little bit. So I can understand the goal aspect and why people do that. But I also think just like welcome the challenges, you know, like you're talking about shifting your energy. And part of that, there's a great podcast that I just listened to. Ezra Klein had Pima Shodron on. She's not a monk.

What is it called when you're a female monk? A monk ass. A monkette. It's like a smurfette. But anyway, it was a lot about not resisting the reality of a situation, right? And when we are challenged, like in whatever industry you're in, we're talking about this specific entertainment industry, it's good to just kind of look at it and, like, move towards the challenge rather than just move away from it. And like, and then that also becomes like an energy vibe that you're giving out where you are attracting different things and things are coming your way because you're not resisting the fact that the situation is changing or becoming challenging.

in a different way. You just kind of embrace it. And you can apply that to anything in life. Like, you just kind of embrace the difficulty of the moment and move towards it. Yeah, that's interesting. I'll be thinking about that. Well, Cassidy, will you send us a link to your show? And if it's up by the time this goes out, we'll put a link in the bio.

Cute. Love that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Thank you all so much. All right. Thanks, Cassidy. And everybody behind the scenes. Oh, thanks, Cassidy.

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She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a 26-year-old straight woman, freshly graduated from medical school. Later this summer, I'm about to move several states away from my family to start my career. I'm currently engaged to the guy I've been with since I was 17, and we've overall been really happy. He supported me throughout school,

and we're supposed to get married next year. However, there's this guy from my medical school class who I've had a crush on, since the first day of school. In the last few months, I finally ended up telling him how I felt, and it turns out he felt the same way all along. When I'm around him, it's electric. I'm nervous, I'm shaky, my heart races. I've never wanted somebody like I want him. When graduation came, we essentially set our goodbyes, and he made sure I knew that while he's not rooting against my future happiness with my boyfriend, if anything happens where I end up single, give him a call,

whether he's in a relationship or not. It's a couple of weeks since graduation, and I hate him, the thought of never seeing him again. I can't stop thinking about him and I'm sadly thinking about ending my marriage before it starts. I love my fiancee and he's a really good guy and he loves me so much and we've been happy. But there are some feelings in me now that weren't there before. I'm wondering if he's still everything I want in a husband. I'm also feeling like if I'm having these thoughts, I have to break it off. But this is like the scariest decision ever and I don't know if I'll regret it. I just have a couple weeks to figure it all out and tell my fiancee if I decide to break it off. What do you think I should do? Do I give up what I know is good?

for something that could or could not be great, Ashley. Ashley, you got stuff going on. Yeah. Is your wedding date set? Yeah, next year. Okay. Okay. I feel like you have an opportunity to, like, look into this situation that you have going

with this guy. Like, I don't think you have to tell your fiancé everything right now. I think you can just simply say, I need a couple weeks to myself to really think about this decision that we're making. I love you. I care about you, like, but I really just need some time. I'm having all sorts of feelings, and I just want to take a break. I really don't think you need to divulge what it is that you're doing at this juncture.

And what she's doing is fucking that guy. Yeah. That would be my advice. I would start dating this guy, have sex with him, and see if what you're, because listen, we've all had crushes. And one of the most intoxicating things about them is that you don't know what would happen. and that's why we're so dazzled by this. Like, you know, the idea of someone new and the idea. And when you put pens of paper, you might just go and find out, oh, you have like no sexual

chemistry or it doesn't feel good. And then you'll be even more able to double down on the relationship that you are in. But if you don't explore this, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life. You might regret it for the rest of your life. That's what I'm thinking. And I think, like, this is a tricky one because I think this might be a little bit about hot guy and a little bit about like it sounds like high school boyfriend is lovely and wonderful and my parents met in high school but like there other than that the idea of meeting your

soulmate at 17 is is tricky like you will grow and change so much and I'm not saying like he sounds wonderful and I think he is otherwise you probably would have gotten rid of him already already. But yeah, it would be easier if he wasn't. I know, I know. Listen, I actually really understand this situation, like, like on a deep, deep personal level from my high school boyfriend, just like a lovely guy, just like nothing wrong with him, but just not quite there. And, and I do think if I had married him, I think I would be in a situation where I was like thinking about the medical school guy. Is there any scenario where you can say to your fiance, I need like a month to myself.

So I've been thinking about like how to approach it because we're supposed to move away together at the end of next month. So like five, six weeks from now. And I don't want to do that, I think. I have to move regardless. But I think I need to like sit down and talk to him and tell him that I don't want him to move with me at least just yet. Ashley, I think you might want to take a break from this guy. From boyfriend. Yeah, I think it might be more than a month.

I think you might need to like really. Yeah, if you're already thinking about that, moving in with him and then postponing that, I think that it would be in your best interest. Listen, when women have feelings, you need to pay attention to them because we've come from generations of women who have been taught to ignore what they feel. So in pursuing what you want, even if it doesn't lead to anything, you're listening to yourself and then you're like breaking the cycle of women that became before you and for the women that come after you.

Like you really, I think about those kinds of things when I have a big decision. I just think about how does this decision affect all women. Yeah. And like, I know that sounds crazy, but it's really, it's worthwhile to think about how you're, and, you know, how you're standing up for yourself, you would give this advice, like, to a friend, right? You would say, go explore this and see what's there. And even if it's nothing, you were true to yourself. Right. And you examined it. And you're like, okay, and maybe you're going to fall mildly in love with this guy. And maybe this is the guy. And maybe he's not. But either way,

you should follow your heart and follow your emotions because you're young enough to do it. Right. My big question in this scenario is this guy who feels very excited. Yeah. Sometimes those people are, it's exciting because they're chaotic. Right. Or they're messy. Or you're unavailable and that's one of the reasons. Yeah. And there's like a love bombing situation. So is that what's going on at all or you don't feel that at all? No, I don't think he's like just in it for the mass of it. I mean, like over the last like few weeks, months, he was very much on the side of like you need to like try not to cross any line. Right, right, right. Which is respectful and nice. And if he were toxic, he would have been like... Yeah, and he was really keeping me, like, fine and that. And then when it was time for, like,

oh, it's his sake about I and him to lead. He was like, you have to figure out what you want to do, like, for you and, like, kind of leave me out of this. Like, if you end up single, I'll be there. But he was just like, you can't... You can't just swap us out. I was like, you got to figure out what you really want. when you think about your um fiance do you feel like you're like in love with him for life or do you feel

like this is you feel safe with him or what what do you think it is it just sort of like this you know this is like the natural progression of a relationship is like you date and then you move in together and then you get married i felt very in love with him i just feel like like a part of that is wrong now yeah but i mean I was very happy and very excited to like marry him. But I just feel like now I've been thinking things differently. And with all these changes, I feel different. I also think if you take the space and you decide like I actually do like this person I'm with now is the person I want to be with long term.

I also don't think that you guys need to talk about anything that happened in the interim. I think that's like we want to bring to yourself. Yeah. Like more than anything else. Agreed. How you want to handle, like, the intricacies of it. You need to listen to yourself as a woman. Yeah.

And you kind of know already. I do. I do. I just, I don't know how to do it. You know what I mean? I think you just have to sit down with him and be as gracious as possible, knowing this person's in love with you. Sit down with him and be like, listen, I would be lying if I didn't say that I had some

misgivings and I'm getting really nervous about being married. And I really need to, like, slow it down. Yeah. I need some time. I think for myself. I owe it to myself and I want to honor these feelings that I'm having. I don't think this has anything to do with you. This is me.

And I'm starting to feel panicked about the wedding. I'm just, I just want some time to really like clarify or gain some clarity about how I'm feeling. And any real guy, like, of course he's going to not love that, but if he really loves you, he's going to respect that. And you just have to be very respectful of him. when you're telling him. I mean, obviously you're not going to tell him that I'm interested in fucking this other guy from college. But you can just be like, listen, I have some things. I have some unanswered questions. I don't know what that means. Maybe you're going to talk to a therapist for a month. Maybe you're going to just like explore life what it's like without him in it for a month. But putting it in a way that there's nothing he can do, you know, and not leaving him hanging being like, listen, just give me some time and I will come back to you with a more. answer, like more realized, yeah. But right now, just like, I don't like the way I'm feeling

and I would never want to enter into a partnership or a living situation, feeling this way. Right. Right. So I have to clear my thoughts and I need to do that without you. And you do. You need it for you. It's not selfish. Like, depending on his response to this also can kind of inform you about how you guys are as a couple. Yes. And it's not, it's not like selfish. You have to do it for you. And he should also understand that you will never, sort of forgive yourself or stop thinking about this. And I don't even mean the guy. I mean, you being alone for a little while. Yeah. So that's huge. Like if he, if he doesn't understand that, that says a lot about, you know, him and you guys as a couple. All right, Ashley, will you check in

with us? Give us the scoop? Yeah. I'll email you. All right. Good luck. Thank you so much. Thanks for calling. Ashley. Good luck with everything. Thank you. Okay. You too. Wait until you're 30 to get married. We like your shoulders. Oh, yeah, shit. Get her back on. Okay, well, that was awesome, Darcy. That was our hour with Darcy Cardin.

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