Dear Chelsea - Got the Ick with Denis Leary

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Denis Leary is here to chat with Chelsea about a Kardashian/Jenner flight fiasco, the nun that kicked him out of class, and how he got the ick from smoking after 50+ years. Then: A sister is unsure ab...out spilling the DNA tea she has on her sibling.  A budding comic struggles to get more stage time.  And RFK Jr. terrorizes a listener while working out in jeans.  * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at DearChelseaPodcast@gmail.com * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:32 Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Where are the world are you right now? I'm in Helsinki, actually. It's funny you mention that. I'm in Helsinki and I feel like I am in Russia. It is a very gloomy day, not to confuse the Finnish people with Russians
Starting point is 00:03:47 because that's probably not welcome. We won't be problematic today. It won't be problematic. But it is a very, very gloomy day in Helsinki. here for the night on our way to another place. And it is something like, all people do here is sauna and karaoke. I mean, that sounds like a good time. I mean, if they put the karaoke in the sauna, I think that would be a better time. Absolutely. Well, our guest today is very exciting. Oh, yeah. I love him. He's one of my boyfriends. You know him from Rescue Me, his long time
Starting point is 00:04:22 stand-up career, and his new series now in its second season on Hulu, which is called Go. Going Dutch, something that I never want to happen. Please welcome actor, producer, and comedian Dennis Leary. How are you, Chelsea? I'm good. Where are you? Are you in a hotel room? I am in a hotel room in downtown New York because I'm shooting a bunch of stuff today. So this is the... So you're doing a podcast before you shoot your show?
Starting point is 00:04:48 No, I shot something this morning and then I'm doing a round of press for my show. Okay. So... For your show, which is called Going Dutch. Going Dutch on Fox And streaming on Hulu Season two people It's a half-hour comedy
Starting point is 00:05:04 It's really funny It's a great cast The girl who plays my daughter Is amazing Taylor Mischiak Danny Pudi from Community Is also one of my co-stars And my girlfriend this year And this season is played by Kristen Johnston
Starting point is 00:05:17 Who's brilliant Yes she is So that's it Everything about the show is out of the way Okay great It's great Whatever the fuck you want to talk about Well I just want to make mention
Starting point is 00:05:25 As part of the plot line in this show, you play a colonel who gets, well, deported, basically. Yes. So very timely. Very, very timely. It's very timely. I get deported and I get sent to Amsterdam because it's the most, it's actually based on a real base that got shut down, based in the Netherlands that literally was built to supply, to do the laundry for the other 32 NATO bases in Europe and to supply cheese and wine. to those other bases.
Starting point is 00:05:58 I know you don't drink anymore. So what do you think is more important out of those two responsibilities, the cheese and the wine or the laundry? Okay, so here's the fucking thing. Even when I drank, because I'm Irish, I hated fucking wine. Listen, listen, I still drink because I'm not Irish,
Starting point is 00:06:14 but I also hate fucking wine. I am so sick. Wine sucks. Wine is a boring drink. And when people drink too much wine, especially red wine, you look like a fucking jackass. You look like a fucking jackass.
Starting point is 00:06:26 jacket is number one. Number two, when you start explaining to me all the things of the flavors and the sip. I don't want to fucking sip it. I don't want to gulp it. I'm not there for the fucking information about how it was fucking bottled. Fuck you. You know what I mean? I went to went to went on a date with a guy. It was, it wasn't a date. Well, I guess it was a day. It was a blind date. I went to go meet him at some bar in Santa Monica or hotel bar in Santa Monica. And I walked in and he had a glass of chardonnay at night. And he was also wearing a leather bomber jacket and so I had to leave and then after the first I would have I had a gin and soda he had a chardonnay and after he goes should we get another round I said no this is it I said you should
Starting point is 00:07:07 no I said you should get another one because I'm leaving yeah and get rid of the bomber jacket and start drinking real booze what was your drink of choice when you were off the wagon oh I'm so I'm so fucking Irish I'm so whiskey I literally I drank whiskey and beer and mostly whiskey and I drank my whiskey straight and I fucking loved it and sometimes I would veer up and like in the summer I would have vodka maybe everywhere but I was like I wasn't so fucking I'm so fucking I had fucking two hollow legs so I could drink like a fucking fish and nobody ever saw me drunk because I'm fucking I'm so 100% my parents are both from the same village in Ireland so it's and you know my family I'm from Massachusetts on top of that so it's like we still drink up there like it's 1954 you know
Starting point is 00:07:52 I mean, like, Jack Kennedy is in the Senate. That's what, like, there's no, people are still drinking, like, my family is, beer is not alcohol. Beer is, like, water. Right. So you're just drinking beer all day. A lot of beer, in the defensive beer, a lot of beer does taste like water. Specifically, like, Coors Light or Macalob Light, like, those light beers taste like water.
Starting point is 00:08:13 I don't even know what the appeal is. But the other thing is, like, even with Guinness, my mother, my, God, the rest of souls, she just passed away this year, 98. Wow. She was like, Guinness was protein. Guinness was like, if you were sick. The other whiskey was NyQuil when I was growing up. They didn't, they got sick.
Starting point is 00:08:31 They gave you whiskey. They didn't. They'd go to bed when you're ate. I still take whiskey when I have a little cough because somebody told me that that works. Or a fireball. I'll take a shot of fireball or shot of whiskey. What do you normally drink? What's your normal drink?
Starting point is 00:08:44 Right now, I have my own alcoholic drink. It's called Chelsea Handler's Vodka Lemonade. So I drink a lot of that. And those are nice and light. but when I'm out at dinner and I have to order a cocktail, I get a gin with a splash of soda. And in Canada, which is where I live in the wintertime, you have to get a double.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Well, you don't have to, but I have to get a double because the shots here are like, you know, one little jigger. And I like two. I want an American serving. So I always get a double and then a splash of soda. So mostly gin, but it's something to cut the gin a little bit, but not too much. Well, that's the, you know, that's the, during the Karen Reed trial, when people were so shocked that she was in a bar with their friends and they would order drinks and then order two extra double shots of vodka on the side to pour into the race.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Because that, you don't put, they're not putting enough booze in. I remember that, you know, from drinking. Yeah. Like in a bar, you almost need to bring your own backup bottle so that you can fill. Right. It's called a flask, basically, right? That's what we're talking about. I never, I never carried a flag.
Starting point is 00:09:47 You look great, Dennis. I mean, you look good. You look fresh. I mean, you're almost, I don't know if you're going to have a problem with me saying this on the air, but you're going to be 70 years old soon. I know. It's unbelievable. And then what happens? And I smoked like five packs a day until like five years ago. It's crazy. I can't believe you were able to quit smoking on top of it. That is very impressive. Do you want to hear, I'm going to make you very angry now. And a lot of my friends are already angry. And I'm just telling you, it's not bragging. It's just the truth. I never fucking intended to quit smoking. I loved fucking smoke. I fucking loved it. And then my kids asked me, my wife asked me, my mother asked, I was like, I'm just never going to do it. And I was outside like in the summertime, like five years ago.
Starting point is 00:10:31 And I went outside to smoke a cigarette. And I smoked a cigarette. And literally at the end of that cigarette, I went, nah, I think I'm done. And I was like, ah, that's bullshit. So I got up to the next morning. I had a full pack. I went three days. And finally my wife said, hey, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:10:46 Are you not smoking? And I was like, yeah, I think I can. quit and I fucking quit. What? You just got the ick. I know. It's so fucking stupid. You just got the ick like Catherine said.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I like that. You got the ick from cigarettes. It's unbelievable. And I've never gone back. That is crazy. I mean... It's crazy. I have no explanation.
Starting point is 00:11:05 I've had similar experiences with things where I'm just like, oh, I'm done now. But for most people... Like what? People. Men. Mostly men. Cigarettes. I quit for 10 years.
Starting point is 00:11:21 I got hypnotized and I quit, but I was never very a crazy smoker. I smoke when I drank, but then I drank all the time, so then I smoked all the time. But then I just curtailed my behavior. You know, like, I just had a revamp. I was like, all right, listen.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Yeah, yeah. I don't want to have to quit either one of these things ever. So just dial it all back and just regroup and recalibrate. And I'm pretty good at that in my life. So I went through a period of like 10 years where I drank, but I did not smoke one cigarette, and I just didn't drink as much as I, that would get me into trouble. And I didn't do any drugs that would make me want to smoke because that was usually the gateway
Starting point is 00:11:53 for me. What was the gateway? Like, weed? No, just like, you know, tripping or anything. Any substance makes you want to just take it up a notch. So I quit drinking. I quit smoking. And then I was in Europe and people were smoking there like, it was just, you know, had just been
Starting point is 00:12:08 invented. And I was like, oh, are people smoking in Europe? And then I was like, well, I guess you can't get cancer over here. And then I had a couple cigarettes on vacation in Europe. And I remember coming back and being disgusted with myself. I'm like, who do you think you are? You're in your 40s. At the time I was in my 40s, I'm now 50.
Starting point is 00:12:26 And I was like, you just can't smoke like that. Like your skin, everything, you're looking old. Like it's a vanity thing more than anything. You know, of course it's a hell thing. But first and foremost, for me, it was a vanity thing. So I dabble once in a while, but I don't really smoke cigarettes. You know what I mean? If I'm in Vegas and we're gambling and somebody has a cigarette and I'm lit enough,
Starting point is 00:12:44 I will have a cigarette, but as soon as I take a puff, I'm like, why did I do that? It's disgusting. Yeah. Well, I mean, I fucking loved them. But, I mean, I liked your, I liked your hero story. It's, I don't think of it as a hero or champion story because I can't, I can't, I'm not, it's not that I'm proud.
Starting point is 00:13:00 I'm glad I quit smoking. You don't feel victorious. I just felt like, I literally, I'm such a fucking addictive personality that I just was like, oh, my brain, without even telling me, was like, all right, so that, that, we're done now. This was the last one. And, you know, Colin Quinn and all these friends of mine that quit smoking over and over. I had a great friend of mine. He was Adam Roth was my guitar player and my show band, but he was a famous guitar play. He was in the Jim Carroll band and he was in the Del Fue goes, he was every, at one point in his life, he was everything. When he was in the Jim Carroll band, they were all speedball junkies. They smoked, they drank, they shot speedballs. That's what they did. And that's coke and heroin, right? Yeah. So he was addicted to everything and then pills. And then he quit everything. And he said the hardest thing for me to quit was the cigarettes. And he did throughout his life, he kept going back to the cigarettes. So I just thought like, based on his experience, I'm never going to quit. It's too hard to quit. Not going to quit. And so I think I can't take any credit for it. Some part of my brain went, you're done. I wonder how common that is that people actually just quit doing something because they have just reached the end of their rope. And it's not even really doesn't sound like a rope. It's just like I'm no longer interested in doing this.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Yeah. And listen, I did a lot of it. So it's not like. I believe you, Dennis. I believe you. I believe that. I jerk off a lot. I haven't quit that. So I believe that too. You've been married for 44 years. So I'm sure there's a lot of masturbating happening because I'm sure your wife is so sick of your shit. My wife was sick of my shit two years into the relationship. Yeah, I believe that too. And here we are 40-something years later. 44 years. You've been married, Dennis Leary, 44 years. That's amazing. Well, we've only been married. We've only been married. We would live together for seven years before we got married. So I don't know what the math is because that's not what I majored in.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Oh, 44 minus seven? Neither one of us is a math thing. 37. How many do you that out? I'm pretty sure. Seven plus four is 11. So I guess that these. 44 minus seven.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I think that's 37. It would be 37. 37. 37. So I've been married for 37 years. Yeah. But you know what? I want to say something about your age, first of all, because being married for that long as a feat.
Starting point is 00:15:17 And yeah, your wife is probably, she's probably got a lot to say about it. But I also want to say about men your age, you know, sometimes when men get older, not sometimes, a lot of times. When men get older, they start to transition into a woman. They start to look a little bit softer around the edges. and they turn into sort of, you know, a femme bot, if you will. Yes. And I've seen a lot of older men. I guess it's the testosterone.
Starting point is 00:15:41 You lose the testosterone. And I guess, I don't know, are men taking estrogen? Because it looks like it. But you don't look like you're turning into a full-blown woman. I just want to say that. Well, listen, I just want to say this. I think men do tend to start to look like aging lesbians at a certain point. I was just hanging out with Conan recently.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Do you think Conan is starting to look like an aging lesbian? Conan self-proclaimed looks like an aging lesbian. Conan has been a proclaimed lesbian for since I've met him, since I've known him. And I'm sure you've known him longer. I've known him. You know, he's my cousin, right? Which is weird. Maybe I did know that.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Yeah, yeah. It's like he's my fourth cousin. But listen, the thing about, there's nothing you can do about it unless you're going to have some kind of plastic surgery or start shooting testosterone into your face. Have you had plastic surgery, Dennis? No, fuck no. Okay, because you look really good for 70 years old. I'm not, I can't, I'm not fucking doing it. I know, but you never really know, listen, you never know what man.
Starting point is 00:16:39 I don't have the patience. For plastic surgery? Yeah, you're fucking go and get surgery and then you got to recover. I don't have time for that. Yeah, okay, okay, copy that. Also, I don't like, here's my thing. Almost every guy, and you know, you've probably had this experience with men, where you go, you're like, you're working with an actor and you go like, this is weird.
Starting point is 00:16:57 This guy looks different from the last time I saw, right? And a lot of them don't own out to it. But if you know the guy long enough, he said, hey, did you do something to your face? It's like, oh, yeah, I had a little bit of the, like, you don't, you look, you start to look like, you do look like a lesbian at that point. You look like, you know, you're not looking like a man anymore.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Your face is not aging. I think for an actor and a comedian, like, you know, male comedian getting, what are you doing? Right, right. And most men, when I see a man get plastic surgery that you don't detect, like, you're supposed to just look refreshed. you're not supposed to look like a woman or, I mean, it's some plastic surgeries if you're transitioning.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I can't speak for anybody except myself. You can't speak for anyone that's transitioning. And, Dennis, I tend to disagree. I can't speak for a lot of people. I can't speak for anybody except me. Okay, great. Great answer. Great straight male answer.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Let's go. But I will say this. If you're a fucking character actor, right, or you're a fucking comedian. And in my case, I consider myself both, like, why would you not want to look whatever the way is you're looking as you age because that's part of what your truth that you're telling, right? So it's weird. It's fucking weird. And how's your hair doing? Your hair looks beautiful and bountiful.
Starting point is 00:18:08 I know. I get it. It's genetic. I mean, you really do have good genes. Well, here's the thing. I don't think I've ever been more attracted to you. They're staying it and it's all Zoom. But we, I'm always a little attracted to you because I've told you that. My sister has a huge crush on you and by osmosis. I've always, she's always pushed me in your direction. Have Dennis Leary on. Talk to Dennis Leary. I love Your sister is so fucking smart. And she has such great taste in that. I always said that about it.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Here's my next question. Why are you? I thought you moved to New York. Why are you in a hotel room? It's a long story. I bet I know the answer. Your wife doesn't want you around when you're doing press because you're too annoying talking about yourself all day, probably.
Starting point is 00:18:50 My wife has right. She's a writer. So she's working on her book. She does not want me around. Even if I'm in the same place with her, she doesn't want to see me until except in the morning. and what she's done writing in the afternoon. And that's basically it.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Maybe we watch something together. It's that we have the relationship to figure it out. No, I'm just, I'm doing such crazy amount of press these last three days that I'm in. This is very convenient because it's between two places I have to be. And it's also great for your sleepwalking because if you sleepwalk in a hotel room, like you're only going to injure yourself or, you know, hopefully no one else. And the windows don't open up here. What happens with you when you sleepwalk at home? How often does this happen?
Starting point is 00:19:27 Did we talk about this on your on the talk show one time? I don't remember, do we? You're the sober one. You would remember. I don't remember if we talked about this, but I like it. I like the subject of sleepwalking. I haven't remembered a sleepwalking experience in a few years now. So that means you're in the clear.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Maybe you just got icked out by sleepwalking too and we're like, forget it. I'm done with you too. Maybe the smoking was causing it. Yeah. Oh, that would be a fascinating medical correlation. if you quit smoking and that ended your sleepwalking. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:20:01 I'd have to find out from Mike Berbiglia if that can happen for him. Mike Perbigna. Mike Perbiglia. He wrote an entire show about it. Yeah, it's crazy, man. And I haven't. Oh, my God. It's like I still don't sleep on airplanes anymore because you know that Kardashian story, right?
Starting point is 00:20:20 No. Have you been traveling with the Kardashians recently? I did. This is years ago now. This is like almost probably, it's got to be at least 15 years ago. This happened. What? Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Okay. So I thought I sleepwalk. I've always left to walk. So here's my worst thing I ever did when sleepwalking. I was taking a flight New York to Los Angeles to publicize Rescue Me. So it was during Rescue Me. And I was doing Conan was the first show I was going to do the day that I landed. Because he's your first, because he's your fourth cousin removed.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Well, he was. This is how long ago it was. It was when, I think it was when he was doing the Tonight Show. Okay. So that would have been whenever the fuck that was. A highlight of his career, I'm sure. Yeah, nine months, which is still hard to remember. Anyways, he's never gotten over that.
Starting point is 00:21:08 So I'm taking this flight that I always take from New York to L.A., which leaves first thing in the morning, six o'clock in the morning. So when you get to the airport at like 4.30 or 5, you know, there's nobody there. And first class is usually empty. So I get there. It's me, Dave Franco. Okay. Or James, which one was the one that was sexually had, had, I think it was, James.
Starting point is 00:21:29 James is the one we don't talk about it anymore. James Franco, sorry. He's the more sexual one, publicly sexual one, I think. Some of cancellation situation. Which one was the more publicly sexual Franco? There's always a very publicly sexual celebrity on the first class flight from L.A.X to JFK or vice versa. There's usually a person on that first class flight in show business who's teaching an acting class and molesting students.
Starting point is 00:21:55 So I think in this case it was allegedly. Anyways, so it's me, James Franco, and the Kardashians show up. On the flight. In the first class lounge. Okay. Right? So, and again, this is me. I'm so judgmental that I'm like, all right, look at the Kardashians in my head, like,
Starting point is 00:22:14 look at them. And they, again, to my credit, they did start bitching about the first class lounge food, which was all really fresh, like just put out eggs, whatever. So I'm totally judgmental about them. And this is when she was still Bruce Jenner. And it was Bruce Jenner, the mom, and a bunch of the girls, except not Kim and not Chloe. Okay. And it was a bunch of girls and one boy.
Starting point is 00:22:39 So I don't know all the Kardashians, but there was a bunch of them. Okay. The boys Rob, Rob Kardashian. Yeah, I guess so. He's like the Roy of our family. That's how I know his name. He definitely is. So we go, we get on the plane.
Starting point is 00:22:53 And again, like I do have. I'm aware of the fact at this point in my life that I have a sleepwalking problem. But up to this point in my life, I had never slept to walk or did anything on a plane, right? Now, here's the other side thing. Because of Rescue Me, when there's an air marshal on a flight, they always kind of let me know. Like, hey, you know, I'm a fan of Rescue Me. And they usually give me a little pin, you know, or something connected to their job. To remind our listeners who aren't familiar with Rescue Me, that was a phenomenal show about firefighters.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Show about Firefighters. Yeah, that he started for many years. It won a lot of Emmys. It was a very, very well received and a very great show. Yeah, and it was at that time still on. That's what I was publicizing, I think. So anyways, this guy comes up to me. Again, I could spot him.
Starting point is 00:23:36 I knew he was an air marshal before he told me. He's like, I'm an air marshal, blah, blah. Oh, great. Nice to meet you. I'm on your flight. Great. Get on the plane. Kardashians are over.
Starting point is 00:23:45 On that's one side. I'm on the other side. There's nobody else. The Kardashians, James Franco is the only person in the middle. and then me, I'm the only, it's basically an empty first class. So the air marshal goes, hey, you might have I sit next to you and just talk to you? And I was like, no, not at all. Do you typically like that kind of activity when you're on a plane talking to strangers?
Starting point is 00:24:03 Or did you make the exception because it was an air marshal? Because it's an air marshal. And, you know, he's got an interesting job. He's probably got some great stories, right? So now we sit down and the plane takes off and we're talking for a little while. And then he can't fall asleep, but he's, you know, the conversation is dying down. Before I know it, I wake up because I have him trapped in the chair. I'm standing over him.
Starting point is 00:24:31 I have his legs clenched in between my legs. And I'm fucking hitting him in the head and in the chest with a water bomb that has exploded. It's just water everywhere. And somebody is grabbing me from behind. And Bruce Jenner is on the floor, in the aisle, in my aisle, on the floor in a karate stance. Like he's about to attack me. Like, making karate noises.
Starting point is 00:24:56 And his entire, the Kardashians family over there, everybody's going, scared. And I'm like, and the air marshal's going, like, trying to grab my arms and screaming. Like, what the fuck, man? What the?
Starting point is 00:25:08 And I immediately know that I've been asleep in a dream, like sleepwalking. But nobody else knows that. So I stop, and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry, I sleepwalk, I sleepwalk. I sleepwalk. Like yelling it And everybody's like, oh my God
Starting point is 00:25:23 Everybody settles down I'm like, I'm so sorry, I sleep buck I should have told you guys Now they take us into the little, you know, panty thing Yeah, not the cockpit But the fucking the galley And because his pants are fawking The crotch of his pants are completely so
Starting point is 00:25:41 He's completely soaked. He's ripped shit, by the way, as you can imagine. And so are the stewardesses. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. So I go in the galley with them, and one of them had a blow dryer, so they would plug in the blow dryer and try to blow dry his pants. And I feel so bad. And he's literally like, you fucking should tell people that you have that problem.
Starting point is 00:26:00 And I was like, I didn't plan on falling asleep. I'm so sorry, whatever. And I'm in my head, I'm like, the best part about this is I know I slept like five hours. So the flight, I have like an hour left in this flight. And by the way, maybe the reason why you fell into such a deep slumber was because this man was talking to you. could be his own fault. You know what I mean? I mean, just why not
Starting point is 00:26:21 re-point the finger back at him? He didn't have good stories after all. I mean, why would you? By the way. We react that way in your sleep. To punch somebody with a bottle of water unless they were super annoying. Super boring.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Yeah. And by the way, we were 20 minutes into the flight. No. We're still like another four. Oh, oh, God. And I had to sit by my, I went back out and sat by myself with Bruce Jenner,
Starting point is 00:26:47 And the whole Jenner family, like, throwing me looks. And even James Franco was like, what the fuck did you? You know? I mean, this is pre-sexual, you know, scandal. Right, right. No, there were no sexual scandals before this happened. None. Not one.
Starting point is 00:27:01 So, anyway, I got to L.A., and I told Brian Kiley is one of Conan's guys, who's one of his writers. It still is. And so I told Kylie, you know, what happened. He's like, you got to tell that story on the show. And I'm like, I'm not fucking telling that story. And then when I got there, because it's the same day, Conan's like, if you don't tell the story, I'm going to tell the story. So I was like, so I told it on the air back whenever it was 2010. But now I do not sleep on planes.
Starting point is 00:27:28 I'll take a very brief, like, five-minute nap holding like an iPad or something that could fall, but I will not fall asleep. You know they have those like straight jackets you can get for yourself so that you can put your arms around your own body. And it's kind of like it works as two things. One to protect you from other people if you're a sleepwalker. and two, you can kind of hold yourself like a baby. I'm not interested in holding myself. But maybe that's the kind of soothing you need. What if this goes all the way back to your childhood
Starting point is 00:27:59 and you find out you were never held as a baby and that's why you have these outbursts? First of all, the chances of you doing that to anyone other, like the fact that you did it to an air marshal, someone who's trained to actually deal with this kind of behavior. What are the odds? Well, yeah, exactly. Because if that would have been a real person,
Starting point is 00:28:15 and you would have been in a lot of trouble. They would have probably pressed charges for assault. Well, on top of which, he could have killed me, like, with one, like, just with his, like, thumb and forefinger if he wanted to. Right. He's like, I'm coming up here. He's like, I'm coming on this flight to find terrorists. And what I'm dealing with is just an errant baby, Dennis Miller,
Starting point is 00:28:33 Dennis Leary Miller, Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller, Leary. I was on a flight. That's what I told people, by the way. I was like, I'm Dennis Miller for this episode. I like to say that. I would have said, like, if he did. I didn't know I was Dennis Leary. I could have said, I'm Willem Defoe.
Starting point is 00:28:48 I passed off Kevin Bacon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jane Lynch. Yeah, you know. Anybody. Ellen DeGeneres. Jane Lynch is a good comp for you. Jane Lynch.
Starting point is 00:28:59 What about, yeah, you get confused with Willem DeFoe a lot, don't you? All the time. Yeah. Who do you think I get confused with a lot? I don't, I would think you're so original that you. Thank you. Elizabeth Banks. I get confused with Elizabeth Banks.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Oh, yes. Okay. And in my earlier years, Jenny McCarthy and Pam Anderson, when I was really young and I was just boobies out, then it was really all about that. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. Like you're not boobies out now? No, they're out, but they're not free. I don't have my nipples exposed. I don't do that kind of stuff anymore, really.
Starting point is 00:29:34 I have nephews, and they were icked out by it, and I thought. Yeah, and thank God there's no video of you, like naked skiing. Yeah, exactly. Thank God that's not out there. Thank God that's not out there for those kids. The newest tracks Let's go New music
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Starting point is 00:30:06 I think we need something new Discover I heart new music Always fresh always first Stream now On the free Iheart radio app Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.
Starting point is 00:30:29 The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms
Starting point is 00:30:57 on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, This episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast.
Starting point is 00:31:28 This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpbright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun. tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.
Starting point is 00:31:58 The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth, until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no grip. A new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the under-explored pockets of F-1, including the astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. story of the sports most consequential driver strike.
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Starting point is 00:33:19 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I have a sports question for you, Dennis. I recently got into betting on sports just so that I can remain interested in professional basketball, football games. And then I learned that these guys are throwing games. Like there's all this stuff happening, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Where they can throw points and stuff. And I'm like, wait, why are we betting on things when we don't even know who's getting bribed? But as somebody who is such a hardcore, you know, massive Boston person, okay? You are indie. And now you're living in New York. How does that impact your loyalty to your sports teams? Well, I don't gamble at all.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Yeah, I'm sure you don't. You can't. No. I just can't, you know. When I was a kid, my brother, my older brother was, he ran a football ticket at one point when we were in high school. And I was like, I tried it. And I gave him like 25 bucks, which was a lot of fucking money at that time.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And he was like, yeah, you know, with this parlay, you could do this and this and nothing. I lost everything. I was like, I'm not fucking doing this. I'd rather set my money on fire. So I'm not going to gamble. I have enough invested emotionally in the fucking game. So who is your team now? Well, I'm all Boston teams.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Yeah. You don't have any affinity towards the Knicks? I have a soft spot for the Knicks because I have so many friends in New York. And I think when the Knicks are good, it's good for all of basketball. Right. But all the New York teams, I have so many friends here, NLA, that I have a sympathy. for like those teams need to be good for the all the different sports those the it's important to have good teams in l.A. and new york doesn't make any sense to me you have so much fucking
Starting point is 00:34:54 money how can you have a bad team how can the nix be bad for now they're they're good they need to win now right because they're they're actually set up for that i love brunson i think he's great so i don't know i have a soft spot for the nix i went to the nix game a few weeks ago i bet some money on it. I was with a new guy that I'm dating and we won. And I believe, like, the energy was in the right spot. I was like, we're going to, we're going to the game. It's a home game. Let's bet. I mean, I wasn't my idea. Let's be honest. But I'm really into betting because that's the only way I can pay attention to sports. I'm just not interested otherwise. But also, you're not a Knicks fan. No, but I'm a New Yorker. Like, you know, at heart. I'm from New Jersey. And Knicks is my team.
Starting point is 00:35:33 If I had to choose a team, it would be the New York Knicks. But I wouldn't say, yes, I'm not like some avid Knicks fan watching their, you know, watching their games all the time. I don't want to falsely, you know, represent myself. You're not waking up in the morning and looking at the highlights of the game if you missed it. No, I know. I wouldn't even know what site that was. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:35:51 Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's, I do that not only with my teams if I miss the games, but like I'm sports. I get up in the morning. I watch Get Up. I watch Stephen A. You know, if I have a time. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:03 I'm a fanatic. Yeah, and are you kids, too? My son is my daughter got into football. My daughter is a writer, but she got into football because when they started doing the documentaries about the receivers and the quarterbacks, and she got to see behind the scenes like hard knocks. Like what, she got emotionally invested in football. So now she cares about football because of the stories behind the athletes. Okay, we're going to get into the next portion of this show, which is where we give advice to real life callers.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I'm sure you're going to be terrible at this. But I want to ask you a question first. Do you remember... I'm really good at this. Yeah. No, I bet you are. You've had too much life. If you have this much life experience and you're not good at giving people feedback objectively, then there's bigger problems. And since you got rid of all the main obstacles in your life that were preventing you from really, I guess, sitting still and growing up, then I guess, yeah, you're prime. But can you remember a piece of either really good or really bad advice that you've received over the years? Oh, yeah, fuck yeah. What's a piece of really bad advice that someone has given you?
Starting point is 00:37:10 This nun, sister Judith Kaepenman was her name. She was the fucking Spanish nun. I flunt, I flunk a lot of things when I was in high school because I could only care about the things I was good at, which was smoking, drinking, girls. That was it. So, and being funny. So she, I'd flunt Spanish twice. And the second time, she said to me, I could still remember it. She was like, Leary, I'm going to pass you just so I can get you out of this building.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Right? And I was like, oh, that's, okay, great. You're like, is that a compliment? Yeah, that's what I thought? And she goes, what are you going to do with yourself? Nothing's going to, you can't learn Spanish. You can't, you don't apply yourself. You're never going to go anywhere.
Starting point is 00:37:52 And I was like, okay. She's like, you need to learn Spanish. And I was like, man, not really. You don't need to learn Spanish for what you're going to do. That's, that's for sure. Yeah. I just want you to know that I've been learning Spanish for about 10 years. and it's been a slow role.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Very slow. But it does feel good to be able to communicate in a different language. It makes me, I felt like for my life, I don't want to go through this life not knowing another language. I feel like America is already too stupid. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:38:18 As for, like, out of respect for others, I need to learn another language. So how far along are you? I'm about 10 years in of light Spanish. You can have a conversation? Yeah, I can have a light conversation. I can't have like a political conversation. And I can't, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:33 it's not going to be. sophisticated, but I can get us from point A to point B. If you and I were dropped somewhere in the Canary Islands and I had to navigate our way back to the port and get us on a plane without you talking to anyone, we would get it done. Okay, I got it. My wife speaks a little bit of Spanish, so you probably speak it like her. Perhaps, perhaps. Hey, listen, I know some Spanish. Okay, okay, calm down. It's not a competition. Yeah, no. So you, I asked you with the worst piece of advice is that wasn't the worst piece of advice that was just someone berating you your teacher for being terrible at spanish that wasn't advice that was kind of a reaction okay well here's a great
Starting point is 00:39:14 piece of advice that andrew dice clay gave me when i first got famous okay i was doing a photo shoot for some fucking magazine i just gotten famous he's already famous he's the dice he's already he's been famous long enough that he had the the big thing where he hit and then he did that movie and the movie bombed right ford fairlane the adventures of okay And by the way, I like Dice. He's a very nice guy. But I hadn't met Dice at this point. So I was coming into the photo shoot and he was just leaving, I guess, from having done it.
Starting point is 00:39:46 What a lucky photographer. You two back to back. I know, back to back. Jesus, what a fucking, a couple of really fucking, like Harvard graduates. Anyways, he goes to me. I go, hey, man, it's really nice to meet you. But we had some mutual friends. And he's like, hey, it's nice to meet you.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Let me give you this piece of advice. And I literally was like, okay. Because he goes, forget the fucking movies. It's no good. The acting is a dead end. Stick with the comedy. And he goes walking down the stairs. And I'm like, that's not, what the fuck is that?
Starting point is 00:40:16 What kind of advice is that to give to a young guy starting out? Yeah. So it was just reflective of his experience at the time. But that was terrible fucking advice. Yeah. That sounds like he was pissed about what happened to him and had no. Exactly. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Well, let's forget about the bad advice that. And your mother just passed away. what was something that she told you or that advice that she gave you or something that she had said throughout her life that you listened to? She was an amazing woman. My parents came here by boat, right?
Starting point is 00:40:46 And they came here in 1950. From Ireland? That woman, yeah, from Ireland with very little education, big huge families, the whole nine-year-olds, right? And my mother was like on the cutting... First of all, she was the boss. Like, she really ran the house.
Starting point is 00:41:01 My dad was always working. But this woman literally was on the cutting edge, like civil rights, women's rights, gay rights. Right down the line, she hated fucking Trump. She fucking hated them. She felt like she had lived in this country long enough to see everything happen in terms of equal rights for people and women and everything. So she saw what was happening with. They were pulling the country back to the way it was before she had even come here. But her whole thing was like the reason that we came to America is that you kids.
Starting point is 00:41:33 could be whatever you want. You know what I mean? Which is an amazing thing for an immigrant parent to say to kids, which is just go, like, you want to go to college? Let's find a way to get you to college. What do you want to be?
Starting point is 00:41:45 Be what you want to be because we didn't come here so you had to work and slave and not enjoy what you did for a living. And that's like that. Like for me to go to, like her and my dad when I was like 17 and go like,
Starting point is 00:41:59 yeah, I think I want to be an actor. Yeah. The easiest thing would be to say, What are you nuts? But instead they were like, okay, well, let's figure out how we could make that happen, which is crazy because they didn't have money to send me to college. So that's, I always remembered that, which is such a very stark, pure message. Like, I say that to my kids when they were growing up, I said, your grandparents didn't
Starting point is 00:42:21 come here so that you could end up not doing something that you love. It's interesting. You say that because my mom was an immigrant also. She was from Germany and she married my dad who was not an immigrant. And when she came over here, like when I grew up and I kind of saw that. their dynamic and like how beholden she was to him financially and like, you know, all the responsibilities and the finances were all taking care of my, by my father. And my mom was for the cooking and the cleaning and the caretaking and everything. I just remember thinking, I don't want to
Starting point is 00:42:47 be dependent on a man. And my mom goes, you're so lucky that you have the option to not have to deal with that. Like, you're so lucky that you're growing up in a country where you're able to pursue whatever dream you, that is imaginable. And my dream was, I didn't even know. know what my dream was. I just wanted to be heard and seen. And, you know, it was pretty shallow to start with. I just wanted to get out and to bloom. Like, but what I've realized now after so many years is that I've made a living by being myself, like by by just being myself. Nobody ever said that was even an option growing up, right? And what many of us do as comedians is to make money at being ourselves. We're telling our stories. We're doing our thing. We're not putting on any acts
Starting point is 00:43:31 or playing a character. And that is really like unreal to think about, right? It really is. Like for my mom or your mom to see you and how you operate through the world and then my mom, the same thing, watching us come up and actually realize our dreams and pursue our dreams must have been like, wow, you are, you know, this is a different generation.
Starting point is 00:43:53 We get to watch them now pursue the things that they care about instead of just surviving. But here's the thing, Chelsea. And it's, again, you can tell this to people, young comedians or young actors, whatever, and they probably think it sounds empty because they've heard cliched versions of, but it's really true, which is I learned that when I was very young, as I think I was in acting school when I saw an interview with Richard Pryor, who was one of my, I think is the greatest comedian who ever lived.
Starting point is 00:44:20 But he was one of my heroes as a comedy hero. He said when he made the transition from being on the Ed Sullivan Show, a clean cut version of him. So to being the real Richard Pryor, he said, I wanted to become the guy that was in the living room with my friends. That Richard Pryor, the real Richard Pryor, I wanted to get that on stage. And you couldn't do that in the 60s.
Starting point is 00:44:46 You couldn't get on television that way. And so anyways, I was like, oh, that's what I want to do. Like, if I do stand up, I want to just be the guy that I am in the living room with my friend. Well, once you, if you just operate that way, If that's the truth you want to have, that's what you did. You just get on stage and you eventually work your way to it's like, it's like you're having a conversation with Chelsea when you're in the audience, right? Because you can feel it's real.
Starting point is 00:45:11 So, so many people, I mean, you probably knew people like this too. I knew so many comedians who were so fucking funny offstage, but then their act was like this middle of the road. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that too. What are you doing? I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know what the fuck.
Starting point is 00:45:24 It's like, it's like, you know, I don't get it. I don't get it. So I think being authentic is the key. And again, like our parents said, why would you do it any different, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess because we have the freedom or we had the freedom, hopefully the next generation will also have the same freedom. Hey, is your mom still alive?
Starting point is 00:45:44 No, she died with your mom. Actually, she died years ago. My dad, my mom died, I have no sense of time. So she's been gone a long time. Probably almost 20 years. My mom has been dead. How old was she when she died? Young.
Starting point is 00:45:56 She was like 63, 67. Oh, 163? I can't remember. Oh, damn, man, that's young. Yeah, she had cancer. And then my dad hung out forever and he was a real, we couldn't wait for him to die. We were like, all right, let's wrap it up, wrap it up. You are, we had to get, he had so many issues with all these old age homes that he was staying in. He was sexually harassing the staff.
Starting point is 00:46:17 He would grab people's butts. We had to move him from one facility to the next. And then we had to move him to a facility that only had men working, which is very hard to find, you know, in aftercare in those kinds of facilities. Yeah, so he was a hot mess. But my mom told us when she was dying, she's like, listen, watch out for your father because there's a lot of shit you guys don't know. And as soon as I'm gone, he will reveal himself. And it was two weeks, two weeks after my mother died,
Starting point is 00:46:43 that my brother sent us a family thread. There are five of us on our thread, brothers and sisters, saying, I just walked into our old house, 35 Morningside Drive, living to New Jersey. And I found dad and his housekeeper, Luzette. Luzette was completely nude, cleaning the kitchen counter, and dad had his pants around his ankles and was sitting on the couch masturbating. That was two weeks after my mom passed away.
Starting point is 00:47:08 So, you know, on that note, we're going to take a break and we're going to be right back. That is so awesome. We're going to be right back with Dennis Leary. The newest tracks. Let's go. New music. And the next big thing. Always on the new music first.
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Starting point is 00:47:46 Hi, this is Joe Wintersstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic, Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.
Starting point is 00:48:23 He really has taught me to embrace people. sleeping in different rooms, on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want to chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast, starting on February 24th, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast.
Starting point is 00:48:53 I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Seasies. to podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun. Tells me to lie down on the ground.
Starting point is 00:49:13 He identified Tremaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything. I was a monster.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the on-purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music, artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight.
Starting point is 00:50:11 I hate fame, I hate the word celebrity, I hate those words, that you made me uncomfortable. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there, is the only guy that's not there.
Starting point is 00:50:31 I'm in Australia when Bo is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back with Dennis Leary's here to promote.
Starting point is 00:50:56 Oh, my God, that is so fucking funny. His second season of Going Dutch, which is, yeah, a show where he plays a colonel, and he, it's a comedy, it's on Fox, it's in its seconds. You can also watch it on Hulu, by the way. Okay, so, Dennis, this, it's, am I saying Hulu wrong? Is it Ulu? Ulu? You can watch it on Oulu. Okay, Dennis, we're taking calls from real live people, so you need to act, you need to fucking pay attention, okay? Okay, I'm fucking paying attention. I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Okay, Catherine, what's up? All right, we're going to start with just an email. This is our one drink question. And Dennis, I was going to start with an easier question, but I think you can handle this one. Dennis, you can have an OJ for this question. Yes. So this listener, Elsie, says, hey, Chelsea, ancestry tests really know how to spice up a family tree. I recently found out that my half-sister, who's in her 50s, isn't actually related to me, meaning the dad we thought we shared isn't.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Her mom passed, and my dad, now in his late 70s, has no clue. They've had a rocky relationship in the past, but have been solid for the last decade. She doesn't want to tell him because she thinks it would break his heart. I get it. This was 50-plus years ago. His first of three marriages, so clearly not his last surprise in life. But keeping a secret like this until his death feels icky. Do I respect her wishes or spill the DNA tea?
Starting point is 00:52:18 Help me, wise one, Elsie. Dennis. Hmm. Hmm. Listen, I'm all, I'm one of those people who's like, listen, you got to fucking unburry the truth and get it out in the open because that's ultimately the best for everybody. But I would, I have questions. He's in his late 70s, she said?
Starting point is 00:52:36 Yeah, she just, yeah, seven days. Yeah, so we don't know late early. Oh, yeah, late 70s. She did say late 70s. In late 70s, I mean, if he was late 80s, I'd be like, oh, leave him along. Right 70s, he could probably handle it. That's my feeling. It's like, get it out in the open.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Also, does he hate this person or like this person? He likes her. They have a good relationship now. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's going to. You know, to alter the relationship, but it's not like it's going to kill him. He's young. Listen, I disagree. I don't think there's any reason to bring all that nonsense to the four.
Starting point is 00:53:07 In the time he knew her, he thought that his father. It's upsetting news. It's not really relevant because at this stage in the game, he is her fucking father. So just to find out that his dead wife cheated on him is, what's the point of that information? I mean, it's important for the daughter to know because if she wants to find her real father, then maybe she can. but I don't think it's important for your dad who thinks she's her father to know at this stage in the game. So I'm all about honesty and making sure you kind of like air your dirty laundry. But in these cases, the world is about to end anyway.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Like let's just let's not blow up our families on our way out the window. That's my theory. Listen, can I just say this? Of the two opinions that were just offered, I would probably listen to, I would definitely listen to. She's smarter than I am and she's a woman. So I'm fucking listen to her. Yeah. Woman to woman.
Starting point is 00:53:57 I'm turning into a woman, but I'm not a woman yet. So let's shell. It's a slow roll. All right. Well, our first caller today is Allison. She's located in D.C. And her subject line is, help. I'm trapped in the gym with RFK Jr.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Oh, no. And Dennis, I pulled this for you specifically because I know you're like a Jack Kennedy Democrat or that's what you've always said. And you even had a song about the Kennedy. So this one's for you. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm writing because I've been angrier than I'd like to admit this past year, and I'm struggling to keep that anger from bleeding into my everyday life. Since the new administration took office, I've felt this constant simmering frustration, not explosive, just ever present.
Starting point is 00:54:42 I try to be functional. I try to channel it productively. And then it shows up in the least therapeutic place possible, my gym. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. works out at my gym, which means several times a week. I am expected to peacefully coexist with the physical embodiment of my political rage while I'm just trying to lift weights and dissociate. He's quiet. He's confident.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Maybe too confident. He works out in blue jeans. And those unsettling... This fucking guy. BDIs. This fucking guy with the working out with the fucking jeans on. Go ahead. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:55:13 No, it's so good. And those unsettling beady eyes are always present. It's mind-boggling. This is the cheapest gym in the area. So cheap that at one point, the air conditioner broke for five weeks, and we were all just expected to work out in a semi-dark sauna and accept it. Meanwhile, there's a fully-functioning equinox right next door. I don't say anything. I don't do anything, but inside I'm seething. So my question is this. How do you contain your anger when it's justified,
Starting point is 00:55:40 chronic, and keeps popping up in places you're just trying to live your life? Is the answer maturity, detachment, switching gyms, or is this just the emotional cost of being alive and paying attention right now? Love Allison. Hi, Allison. Hey, how are you guys? Hey, Allison. Hi, that's Dennis Leary, our special guest today. I think I'm very qualified to discuss this because I'm an Irish person from Massachusetts,
Starting point is 00:56:06 which is where he's from. Obviously, they were rich, we were poor, but we voted for them. So, first of all, I can't fucking, this guy fucking going to the fucking cheapest gym proves that he's cheap. Number one. Number two, working out in a fucking jeans, fucking things. just drives me too. So fucking insane. I cannot stand it. I cannot stand that.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Yeah. Fuck you. First of all, why are you in the cheapest gym? Number one. Number two, is he there with his like security detail? Are they there too? Are they outside? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Like full perimeter. I'd say there's like upwards of like 20 secret service within this tiny little gym. So I, there's no other way to look at this except he's cheap and he like showing off. And the other thing is, you know he fucking goes in to get. That's a tan that he gets from tanning beds, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He tans. This guy tans.
Starting point is 00:56:57 The health administrator of our country tans. Yeah. I just, I don't, here's my thing. I don't know you at all, obviously. My thing would be, I would just walk up, especially the mental state that you're in. I would walk up and fucking have a conversation, a real conversation about how you feel about things. I don't think of that. Listen, he's been confronted so many times about his ethics.
Starting point is 00:57:22 and his views and his, I mean, he doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks anyway, so it's not going to make an impact on him. I first of all, I would, but I would like to, I would just to get my rocks off, I would like to have a go at him. First of all, just some background information. I bought RFK Jr.'s house in Los Angeles five years ago. I did not know I was buying it from him. It was anonymous. It was it anonymous, but his is in a trust. Mine was in a trust. It was all private. I bought his house from him and Cheryl Hines. I still have not lived in this house. That's how fucked up this house was. The idea that this guy is
Starting point is 00:57:55 in charge of the health of our country when he didn't even have a proper foundation at his house, when they unearthed, when they opened up the house, they were like, this house is the most toxic environment. You cannot live here for at least two years. I'm not exaggerating any of this. It is, it was a disaster.
Starting point is 00:58:11 And I didn't know it going in because everything was, you know, under wraps. So anyway, I have my own issues with R. Oh my God. The money I would pay to see you walking through the gym where he is and have the conversation about the house. That should be a fucking Netflix special. He's one of the worst people that I know of.
Starting point is 00:58:27 He really is. I have really thought about it, Chelsea, because I've listened to your podcast for a while now, and I know this story, and I see him all the time, and I'm like, what did you do to Chelsea's house? Like, what have you done? Yeah. He put a curse on it. It's curse.
Starting point is 00:58:39 I mean, three people have come in and said, this house is cursed. Hey, you know what we should do, guys? We should start an army. Okay. Beginning with the three of us. We should start an army of people, famous and non-famous people who, as, is a lot of people who, various points in the country will come up to him and go, what the fuck did you do to Chelsea's fucking house?
Starting point is 00:58:57 Yeah, yeah. How could you sell us this house? How could you sell Chelsea handle that fucking house? Just in the last week of inspection, they came and I finally, like everything's been redone, redone, redone. They're like, oh, there's a unit. He has like a little outdoor storage unit that's been there since I bought the property. And they're like, this is illegal.
Starting point is 00:59:16 And I'm like, oh, my God. So now we have to remove his illegal bullshit from my. property. And I'm like, how did they not find this upon the first inspection? But anyway, I would move gyms. I wouldn't want to even be exposed to that kind of negative at like, he's so negative. That whole vibe. Being in D.C. is probably really negative. But I would totally move gyms. Go to Equinox. Why are you at the cheapest gym? Is it a money issue? I could swing it. I just prefer like, that's where I want to go. It's right next to my house. Like I just have convenience there. I like it there. I can swing. I can swing Equinox.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Yeah, I think it's better. I think you should. leave him a message, or you should let him know that you're leaving the gym because of him and that you're not the only person, be like, I'm so sorry. I can't believe that I joined a gym and then I had to see you here. Like, you are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with this administration and you are sickening. And also, what the fuck is wrong with Chelsea Handler's house? Yeah. That's right. P.S., motherfucker. What the fuck did you do to Chelsea Handler's fucking house? Yeah, and they had the audacity to leave me a note. Cheryl Hines left me a note saying, Let us know if there's anything we can do for you, Chelsea.
Starting point is 01:00:25 I'm like, yeah, how about a fucking foundation? That's something you could do for me. Anyway, I'm not angry about it or anything. I'm totally over it. It's only been five years of your life. I'm going to get you some answers. That'll be my swan song. But change, James.
Starting point is 01:00:41 Always take yourself out of a situation that's going to make you angry. Yes. Better for your blood pressure. Dr. Chelsea Handler. Mm-hmm. There you go. All right. Thank you, Allison.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Thanks for calling, Allison. Thanks for both so much. Bye. Okay, we're going to take a break and come back with another caller. Oh, is throwing it back. 20s, the decade.
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Starting point is 01:01:29 Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different. different perspectives, and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.
Starting point is 01:02:06 He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life. This episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast, starting on February 24th, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast.
Starting point is 01:02:41 This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random question. crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Termaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.
Starting point is 01:03:10 The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ready for a different take on Formula One?
Starting point is 01:03:38 Look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the under-explored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it?
Starting point is 01:03:54 Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sports most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out, and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career, a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this.
Starting point is 01:04:20 and plenty of other mishap scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Back with Dennis Leary. I love your breaks. Your breaks are so fast.
Starting point is 01:04:42 Well, yeah, they're so fast because, I mean, I need you to continue to pay attention. You know what I mean? We're already struggling. Catherine, what do we have to close out today's episode? Well, we have Jennifer, who is writing in, and she's getting into comedy. So Jennifer says, dear Chelsea. Two years ago, I started doing stand-up open mics whenever I could. I absolutely love it. I love making people laugh and I also love telling stories about my family. My partner of 20 years and my boys are supportive. It's hard for them because I'm away from home on some weeknights trying to get stage time. I haven't headlined anything yet, but I'm still working on a solid 15-minute set. I write jokes every day and I work on delivery, timing, and stage presence. So here are my questions. How do I handle the clicks and egos of other comics so I can get on. stage. I'm running up against venues that have their favorites and no matter how talented you are,
Starting point is 01:05:28 you aren't getting stage time. I want to be polite but assertive and not burn a bridge at a club either. Do I set up a YouTube channel with sets from my open mics? I would have to have my 12-year-old help me do that since I don't have a clue how to do it. How do I balance the need for laughs every few seconds within storytelling? Most of the literature states that you need to find something original and do that. It's 2026. Comedy's been around since before the written word. The only thing original I bring to the table is my interpretation of things. I am completely unhinged. How do we exploit that in comedy and still be relatable to the mainstream? Or should I just not care what the mainstream is and just do my thing? And am I too old to even start down this road? You're amazing and I'm trying to get everything arranged so I can
Starting point is 01:06:09 see you on tour. My kids have a negative review with most sitters. So it's a struggle. Thanks, Jennifer. I like that. Hi, Jennifer. Hi, guys. Oh, God, it's Dennis Ler again. Jelsea. at the same time. At the same time. It's like a threesome. It's just kind of against the law. They don't let us do it very often. How old are you?
Starting point is 01:06:32 I just turned 51. Oh, listen, fuck. Anybody could do it. Zarnagarag is a great example of somebody later in life who raised her kids and then started doing stand-up comedy. I think when they were teenagers or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Forget about that.
Starting point is 01:06:47 That doesn't matter anymore. Number one. Number two, it sounds like you're actually mentally, you're already. you're already on the right page, which is, you know what, fuck the mainstream. You just got to do what you have, like we were just talking about this a few minutes ago, me and Chelsea, about just be yourself. That's the best, comedy-wise, that's always the best thing. Writing-wise as well.
Starting point is 01:07:06 So fuck the mainstream. Who gives a shit about that? You should just do what you want. Yeah, I would say intentionally, like you said you're unhinged. That's great. People like that. People like unhinged. I would exploit whatever the most outlandish part of your personality is.
Starting point is 01:07:20 I would take that and just put that. You know what I mean? That's what separates you from other people. I mean, and listen, yes, comedy has been around since forever, but your take on it hasn't been around forever. So while subject matters may overlap and people may discuss the same things like people are always talking about dating and fucking and people who are cheaper, they're talking about politics or girls are talking about guys who are terrible in bed and terrible at paying and blah, blah, blah. While all those things can like, you know, overlap and be kind of ongoing sagas, your take on it hasn't been out there. You know, and if you're, if you're unhinged and you want to really, like, be something original, focus on that. Don't focus on getting as many people the mainstream aspect of it.
Starting point is 01:08:02 That's just kind of a fool's errand. You have to find people that are going to respond to you and you be as much of yourself as you can. And I think that's where the rewards will come in and you'll start to see some gains from your work. Like an original. When somebody, when I see someone original on stage, I'm like, wow, I've never seen that angle before. You know what I mean? so there's always a new angle to be had. Yeah, that's very true.
Starting point is 01:08:24 And being 51, like, exploit that. Talk about the fact that you didn't have time to get around to this until you fucking had your kids because you're a woman and you've been put under too much pressure your entire life to be the perfect woman. And now you're here, you're a little late to the game and you're fucking pissed about it because you should have been doing this all along.
Starting point is 01:08:42 You know what I mean? There's a whole storyline. Just keep adding onto that aspect of things. I, you know, I like disgruntled. I like comics who get up there and are angry and pissed. and just want to go off. I always find that very amusing. Regarding the internet question,
Starting point is 01:08:55 I would go TikTok, not YouTube. And unhinged plays very well on TikTok. Like, kind of the more unhinged you are, the more attention you get. That's a good point. True. All true. How are you getting stage time
Starting point is 01:09:07 if you can't find a sitter for your kids? I have a partner that will stay with them. Okay. The youngest is eight. The oldest is 12. So they're almost to the point where they won't set the house on fire. so it's close. We're getting almost there.
Starting point is 01:09:23 We're almost there. But we have a fireman right here. I mean, he can help you and we can put him on speed dial and if anything happens to your house, Dennis will be right over. That is true. I'm really good in a fake fire than I am in a real fire. He's very good at house calls too, but not with regard to fires. Do you talk about the kids on stage? I do. I do. And they're a little crazy as well. They're both adopted too. So it's a completely different story than having your kids. That's an endless supply of material. Yeah, adopted. You could return them.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Is that an option? You know what I mean? They've asked if they can be. Well, that's good too. That's all material. Everything is material. It's all material. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Yeah. And don't think about age as a number. Think about it as like an avenue. You know what I mean? This is my inn. I'm 51.
Starting point is 01:10:14 This is how pissed I am that I have to do stand-up comedy to get my rocks off. You know? Like I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, can have a nice quiet life. But no, I don't. I want to disrupt. The other question that I wanted to bump back up is like handling the clicks and the egos of the other comics and getting stage time. Do you guys have advice on that? Listen, man. Getting stage, you just have to really be persistent and consistent to get the stage time. And obviously there will be people that are on your side or people that are not on your side and those are easy to suss out right away. But as far as other comics go,
Starting point is 01:10:46 like it's important to kind of form a little, you know, get some groups going or make some friends because people are always doing small shows and smaller shows that you can get stage time in. You know what it means? So you want to be friends with comics. But if you're feeling like people aren't welcoming of you, I really just like cut out that noise. I used to go into the comedy store when I was really young and would get, and I would just walk in, do my set and walk out. Like no socializing. Obviously it's a different story now, but when I didn't feel like I was welcome or I felt like I was being judged or people were jealous or whatever the feelings were, I just didn't expose myself to that.
Starting point is 01:11:21 All I cared about was doing my set and leaving. And by the way, the funnier you get, it's human nature, especially comedy, human nature. The funny you get, the more fucking people are going to get jealous, comedians of you. So don't even fucking worry about that shit. Find, like, Chelsea's right. Find your, the friends you find that you get along with in that scene, fuck everybody else. That's a good point I was told by one male
Starting point is 01:11:49 comic that said as soon as you get on stage because you're a female everybody tunes you out and I was like well you're an asshole what fucking year is he living in are you fucking kidding me oh my god
Starting point is 01:12:03 yeah welcome to the future dude yeah what did you say back to him I just said you're an asshole yeah you know basically it was like
Starting point is 01:12:15 And I do have a group of guys that I do things with. It's just, you know, finding the time to get out with them as they do, they do small shows and stuff like that. Right. So just do as much as you possibly can with the time that you have. Sweet. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:12:30 Awesome. Thank you, Jennifer. All right. Thanks for calling in. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:12:37 If she plays her cards right, she too will be recording a podcast from Whistler, Canada. Any minute. No, can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? Yes. So do you live in Whistler like part of the year? Yeah, in the summer, in the wintertime. I base myself out of Canada in the wintertime because I like to ski.
Starting point is 01:12:54 I know you love to ski. I know you know I love to ski. Yeah. Yeah. So basically you're up there, what, from Christmas until? Probably like April. But I'm about to go on. Oh, really?
Starting point is 01:13:03 I'm about to go on tour. So I'll be coming in and out of Vancouver rather than in and out of L.A., which isn't that big of a difference. But yeah, I like my little life up here. It's a nice trans. It's nice juxtaposition from my life in Los Angeles. So, you know, in order for... And Whistler is fucking beautiful.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Yeah, and it's beautiful. The snow isn't really cooperating right now, but that's okay. I can get by. It's a very homey, you know, I work out a lot in my house here. I read a lot of books. I've got my dog here. I have friends come and visit. I have a lot of sex here.
Starting point is 01:13:33 Everything's fine. You know what I mean? Great. So, well, I am so excited about you becoming a woman. I am so excited about the second season of your show. I love you. Dennis, you know that I love you. I have strong affection for you. And I love
Starting point is 01:13:48 you and your sister. And my sister. We both love you as a family. And it shows on Hulu or Fox, guys. It shows on Fox. It's called Going Dutch. All the episodes are available on Hulu. Okay, season two. Excellent. Okay, Dennis, I'll see you.
Starting point is 01:14:03 I'll see you on the flip side. Hopefully I'll run into you somewhere very soon. I hope I catch you smoking a fucking cigarette. Can you imagine? No. I can't. After this conversation, you better never smoke again. I hope I never smoke again. I don't think I'm gonna. No, you're not going to. But you never know. No, you're not going to. You're not going to. You never know. If my brain can click off of cigarettes like that, I'm afraid like tomorrow I'm walking down the street and my brain goes,
Starting point is 01:14:29 guess what? We're going to start smoking again. Or yeah, well, maybe it'll click off something else. Maybe maybe just think about things you're going to keep getting rid of instead of it going in the reverse direction. What's left to get rid of? Smoking and drinking are gone, right? Smoking and drinking or gone. I'm sure you have some other bad habits. I'm going to, Maybe you can stop going to the bathroom also. Goodbye, Dennis Leary. Bye, Chelsea. Bye.
Starting point is 01:14:51 Okay, guys, I am officially on my high and mighty tour. March 13th, Cleveland, Ohio, March 14th, Columbus, Ohio, March 15th, Cincinnati, Ohio, and then March 20th is Denver, Colorado. March 27th, Portland, Maine. March 28th, Providence, Rhode Island. March 29th, Springfield, Massachusetts. April 10th, is. Chicago. I'll be at the Chicago Theater. April 11th, Indianapolis, Indiana. April 12th, Louisville, Kentucky.
Starting point is 01:15:21 April 16th is Albuquerque, New Mexico. April 17th is Mesa, Arizona. April 23rd is Kansas City, Missouri. April 24th is St. Louis, Missouri. April 25th is Minneapolis, Minnesota. April 30th, Nashville, Tennessee. May 1st is Charlotte, North Carolina. May 2nd is Durham, North Carolina. May 6th. I'm doing Netflix a joke festival. I will be in Los Angeles. That is a new announcement, along with Atlantic City, May 15th, Saratoga, California, May 16th, Monterey, California, May 17th, Modesto, California. And then June 4th, Portchester, New York. June 5th is Boston Mass. And June 12th is Portland, Oregon. And then Seattle is June 13th. So suck on that, everybody. Go to Chelseahandler.com for tickets. If you want advice from Chelsea, write in to Dear Chelsea Podcast at gmail.com.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Dear Chelsea is a production of IHeartMedia. Follow Chelsea on all socials at Chelsea Handler and find Catherine on TikTok at Flashcadabra. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brandon Dickert, executive producer Catherine Law. Find full video episodes and minisodes now on Netflix and get tickets to see Chelsea Live at Chelseahandler.com. Hi, it's Joe Interesting, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast. where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend, Krista Williams.
Starting point is 01:16:53 It can change you in the best way possible. Dance with the change, dance with the breakdowns. The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves. So I'm like delusionally proud of my chart. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip,
Starting point is 01:17:18 a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the under-explored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sports most consequential driver's strike and plenty of other mishaps, scandals, and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent, dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grip on the IHeart Radio app,
Starting point is 01:17:41 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast.
Starting point is 01:18:19 This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or where wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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