Dear Chelsea - I Hate Loud with Sam Morril

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

Comic Sam Morril is in the NY studio to discuss the problem with dating younger people, tormenting morning news hosts, and why a rec center is his home away from home.  Then: Soon-Yi confusion ensues as a daughter struggles to accept her dad’s romantic escapades.  * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is this Will Smith story that everyone was talking about? Oh, my gosh. He did a bunch of shows, and there was legitimately a big crowd there. But for some reason, his team, like, put a bunch of AI extra faces to make the crowd, like, look even bigger. And everyone's, like, why would you do that? This is a Donald Trump move. It's so stupid. And also, it's so badly done. Like, have you seen the pictures?

Yes. My friend sent it to me. It said, from West Philly to West Swizzy, we love you, Willie. The thing is, why would they do that? Because the crowd sizes are big, it's just like, when you see the real photos, there is obviously aisles where people can us get. Like, people know aisles exist where there's no people. So he's on Moore, Will Smith?

I guess so. I blame this on Scientology. I blame everything that's going wrong. on Scientology. Yeah, I agree with you. Either that or the Trump's. One of them, I'm Billy, so choose your poison.

Pick your poison. You know what? I think that must be why Burning Man blew away. Because like Ivanka Trump was there. What the fuck happened there? Did you hear what this? The Orgy Ted blew away.

Well, my friend, we were all going to my friend's house in the Hamptons last weekend when I was doing shows there. And she was going to Burning Man. And so I saw one of those videos on Instagram and forwarded to her. I'm like, is this you? I still haven't heard back from her. I don't even know if she's alive. She blew away.

What happened to Burning Man? I think they just had like this huge. I know there was a dust storm there was like a big windstorm. There was a dust storm in Arizona. In Phoenix, did you see this? It looked like the hand of God coming over. I did see that. I did see that.

Very ominous. But the Burning Man was like, so Burning Man just got fucking ruined. I think it got ruined. Yeah. I know the orgy tent that they had spent a week setting up that's been there for 20 years. Is that right? They have an orgy tent. Another thing I'd find disgusting orgies.

The same orgy tent for 20 years. I remember watching a porn when I was a little girl and there was a big orgy. And I was like, Oh, I was like, do people really do this? And the answer is no, they don't. Only a Burning Man. Only in very specific circles. Do you have friends that do Burning Man?

I do have like, I think I have like one or two people. I once went on a date with a guy in New York. My friend Sophie set me up with this guy. And the minute we sat down, he started going on about Burning Man. And I said, listen, the second time he said it, I go, listen, I'm not a Burning Man person. I don't find that interesting at all. I think it's a bunch of rich people trying to share for the very first time. and I don't want to do LSD on, I don't want to do LSD and get sandblasted.

Like, that is not my idea of a good time. And then he kept going on and on about it. And then I did get it, go up. We were having dinner in the hotel restaurant of the hotel I was in. My friend showed up, and when you got there, I go, he's your problem now. And I went upstairs to my room and I took a Xanax. Excellent. See, that's the place to be doing drugs, not in the desert.

Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, Xanax is what they say. How do you know someone's been to Burning Man? They won't shut up about it. Yeah, it's really annoying when people, it's like pickleball. That's the, people are like obsessed with trying to convert you. It's a pickleball, to be obsessed about pickleball and Burning Man. Yes, yes.

I put up New Vegas dates, by the way, for next year. This year, I will be there November 1st and November 29th. Those are my last two dates this year. Then I start up again January 31st, March 7th, April 18th, and May 30th. And tickets are now on sale for all of those dates. Our guest today will be at the Chicago Theater and all across Europe in October as well as playing Carnegie Hall in December

on the Errors tour. Please welcome Sam Morrell. Welcome, Sam, Merrell. I'm saying it. Yeah, it doesn't matter. No, it does matter. It's Morel, but I don't like correcting people. Morrell, where are you getting the E from?

My dad said, and I just rolled with it. I don't know. He's wrong. Listen, you have a lot of introductions here. I was reading your shit last night. Okay. There's a lot going on with you. First of all, you just came out with your six stand-up special since 2020.

How is that possible? No, no, not that many. You have six, though, right? I think so, yeah. And in what frame of time? It was a period where I was doing way too many because I was just like I had no life. Because of COVID? COVID, I did a rooftop one because I was losing my mind here.

And I just started going to people's roofs and doing stand-up. And that turned into a special. But that wasn't like my best stuff. I wasn't like honing that in clubs and stuff. I have, like, you know, I did it on Amazon, they're on Netflix, I did a Comedy Central hour, I did a YouTube hour, I did the roof thing, and I did like a half hour, so five and a half really. Oh, okay. Well, that sounds more reasonable when you say it like that. The way it's presented is like you're about to win an Academy Award. No, God know. First stand-up comedy, which I think is pretty

impossible. Oh, no, we're not respected. No, comedians are not respected. But that's good. If we were respected, we'd be boring. Well, the reason we're funny is because we're not respected. Exactly. And there's no way to gain respect as a comedian, really. Yeah. I mean, there's comedians that are well-respected, but only in circles outside of comedy, right? Like, within comedy, you don't really, nobody really respects each other. It's true, yeah, because we see through it. It's a ruse. But then you see, like, a singer, you're like, holy shit, that's incredible. Yeah, different art. But then they're probably look that way at us. Like, you even popping, like, a musician open mic when you start and they're like, this guy's awesome. Yeah. But then you take the same jokes to a comic open mic and, like, you suck.

Or I'll go see someone who's, like, a musician perform and be fucking below. own away and they'll perform at the Greek or something and then they'll come see me perform and be like, I can't believe you can do that. I'm like, what are you talking about? I can't believe you can go on drunk. What are you talking about? Yeah, I know, I know. Well, musicians can too. That's their thing. They can. Yeah, I guess they can do like heroin too. I mean, they, I mean, I saw. What they do is way more impressive. And it's also more exhausting because they're up there for like two and a half, three hours. Like I was at Glastonbury recently and we saw Alonis Marisette and she drank, she went through like these jugs of like,

I guess it was like green tea or something. She, she went through like six. She went through like six or seven of them, and it was less than an hour set. I've never seen any guy drink any beverages on stage other than red wine or alcohol, like a musician-wise. Like, I couldn't believe how well she was hydrating. I was like, wow, you must be into crystals and stuff if you're hydrating this much. Yeah, green tea is like, that's weird. Well, she's kind of on an, she's ethereal. She's on another, you know, she's like on another frequency. She's one of those people. She probably meditates a lot. She's vibrating at a higher level than regular people, certainly higher than comedians. Definitely, yeah. Yeah. Do you do drugs and drink? I drink. Uh-huh. You don't do drugs.

I'm scared of drugs. I don't like not knowing what's in my bloodstream. Or what's in your future? Yeah. Yeah. I can maintain a level of control. I like drugs that push your feelings down. Away. Well, you're a man. So is it hard for you to be a stand-up comic surrounded by so many female comedians? No. I love female comedians. That was a joke. I just always wanted to ask a man and what it feels like to be surrounded by women since that's the only question we ever get to. Oh, they ask you guys that a lot. They ask us all the time. What's it like to be in an industry that's so male dominated? And I'm like, can you fucking think of a more interesting question? I've been doing this for like 25 years. Well, the other more more boring question is when you're promoting a tour

or you're promoting a special and people ask you, what can we expect? I fucking hate that question. It's hard to describe your own act. Well, also, without doing bits. Like, I don't want to be on the and doing bits, you know what I mean? If I'm talking to a reporter or a journalist, I mean, a journalist is a, you know. Yeah, you're getting better interviews in me, I think. I'm talking to a journalist. I'm talking to some guy from like, you're like, what are you, fucking, you could expect to laugh and you could expect comedy.

Yeah. I can't. What can you expect? I mean, you know, I come out in the third act. I don't know. Nothing, nothing. Yeah. It's jokes.

So we were just talking because you dated, you've dated a lot of female comedians. Two. Two? Only two? Yeah. Megan. Galey. Right? I didn't date her.

You did it? You just had sex with her? Sure. Okay. Well, I feel like you dated her. I don't know why. Okay. You dated Taylor, Tomlinson, for a few years. Because I know that because when I had her on my podcast, she was quarantining with you. Yeah. And you guys were together for a few years, right?

Probably two years. It's hard to measure because we broke up so many times. Really? Yeah. What was the problem? Probably both of us. I don't know. It must be hard to date a comic. I don't think I've ever dated. Oh, yeah, I did. What am I talking about? Yeah, no, I'm aware of that one, too. I just forgot. I forgot.

Yeah, I think the problem is, it's funny when people were like, what went wrong is I don't know, it's us together? That's it, I don't know. Do you attribute part of the relationship working out for a duration of time because you were, it was during COVID and you were quarantining? Oh, yeah. The first few weeks were great. But, no, no. It was like a sleepover that just went on too long.

Went on, went on and went on. But we, no, we had great times, I think, you know? I looked back at some of them and I was like, man, we're like watching movies. We started a movie podcast. It was fun as hell. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it was great. We had a good time.

That's cute. Yeah. It's fun to, you know, you share a movie and then you talk about it. I'm trying to think if I dated any other comics. It's just such a weird thing because I find it, like actors and actresses, I find it normal for them to date. Are you drinking ginger ale? It's a cell, uh, I fucking loved Canada Dry Gingerill. Oh, my God.

It's my favorite. I love Canada Dry. I know, I know. I once called Canada Dry. I'm like, I want to do a commercial for you guys. I'm so obsessed. You pulled that? Yeah, but then they were like, can you do one for Sprite because they're all owned by the same person?

And they were like, Canada, nobody drinks. that. I'm like, they're like, oh, the only people who drink that are from New Jersey or New York. It's a very East Coast thing, Canada tribe. Like, they don't sell it on the West Coast as it's not as available. I love it. I know, me too. It's like when you land in Detroit and you're like, I need some, I need some Vernors. So you only dated one comic. It's weird to me because it's, you know, you're an attractive lady. You're a funny lady. I'm sure dudes were hidden on you quite a bit. No, men are scared of me. I can see that. Men are not interested in trying to get, like, shot down by me. I mean, even Joe Coy, when we dated, it wasn't even

even like, I had to decide that I was going to date him. He would never, ever have made a move. I think so, because we were friends for so many years. And then when we got back to, like, we were hanging out as friends. And he just kept coming around and coming around. And eventually I just capitulated. And I was like, were you drinking? Did that give you the, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I'm always a little drunk, you know? I love drinking. So, like, but I mean, we, I have my own whiskey. I almost brought you a bottle. Oh, you should have brought it. I remember I read one of your book and you're a vodka person. So I don't know. Some people are like, I don't fucking drink whiskey, you know.

I like whiskey's nice and warm, especially in the wintertime. And when I'm in like, I go to Whistler, Canada for winter, and in the winter, I'll drink whiskey. Okay. Yeah, it warms your bones. I love it. What's your whiskey called? It's called Bodega Cat. Oh, oh, cute.

It's cool. So you grew up in New York? In the city, yeah. Yeah, here in the city. So you've never strayed too far. No, I'm useless. Really? I'm fucking useless.

Like an Astroana motorcycle? I'm, yeah, I'm terrible. Like, what do you think your best qualities are? If you have to pick three. This is like describing your tour. Shit. My best qualities. Like, come on, you have to think of three good things that make you valuable to the human species.

Damn. And if you can't think of three. I think I'm pretty loyal. Okay, that's great. That's a good one. I can't say, you know, funny-ish. Yeah, I'm a cock-sucker. I'll suck your cock.

Okay, great. I'll suck a dick. Somebody's got to do that because I'm not doing that either. Yeah. Thank you. No, that's why I was intimidated by you was your cock. Thank you. loyal. I was going to say good listener, but I'm not. I'm on a bunch of riddling right now to make

sure I'm connected with you right now. I would say, though, in order to be a comedian, and you have to be a good listener. I'm observing, but I'm not a great listener. Oh, really? I'm to a point, but then something pops into my head and I start following that. Do you ever do that? It's ADD. ADD. Yeah, absolutely. But we all have that. Oh, my, I'm so bad. As long as you stay medicated. I don't take medication for it, but I've just learned how to, when I used to post talk shows, I would literally be thinking about what the fuck I was going to eat if I was talking to somebody who didn't hold my interest. I'd be like, what am I going to have when I go upstairs? Are there any gummy bears? I'm like, are there any red ones left? Or did everyone steal them? Like, that's ADD

right there. Like that was, you know, but I didn't ever, I don't take any medication for it. I just eventually just started going, okay, you have to fucking focus on what you're doing. Like, I want to be able to read a book. I want to be able to tune out my phone. I want to be able to put a phone like on another side of the room and not walk over to it every 15 seconds. So it's kind of like trading yourself like a fucking dog, you know? Yeah, and if it's a book that interests me, I'm, I can't put it down. But if it's something that I have to, like, work at, I'm just like, fuck, I guess I got to pick this up again. Right, right.

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Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really does. cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage.

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Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So what's your family situation in New York? How did you grow up? First couple years, just me and my mom, and then she married a guy who became my stepdad who I love. He's a great dad. And then I got a stepbrother and step sister from his side, and that's my family situation. They have kids now. I don't have kids. Okay. Is that something that you want to have? I don't know. I don't know. I, I, I think I would like one. I think one is a good number.

Why don't get a pet, though? I was going to say, a pet's hard to take care of, not thinking that a kid is probably also hard. I don't know. I think I need a little time still to figure it out. How old are you? I'm 38.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So you're not even 40 years old yet. So you haven't even like hit your little crisis zone. Yeah. That's coming, especially as a male comedian. I'm always in crisis. Yeah.

I feel like a lot of men are like in longstanding male crisis. comedians, especially. Well, I think women, I mean, you guys have a biological clock, but all we have is if we don't have kids at a certain age is like, what the fuck's wrong with that guy? Right. That's all we get. It's not that bad.

But, like, I mean, you get judged for that shit all the time. And I kind of like that you're just like, I don't give a shit. Yeah, no, I don't want a baby. Like, that's a fucking pain in the ass. Do you have a pet? Yeah, and he lives, he's in L.A. right now. You know what I mean? I see him when I see him.

And he says to take it personally. And if he did, I wouldn't know about it because he can't fucking talk anyway. That's why pets are amazing. Yeah. They work for you in every situation. I sent him to Canada. I did a Euro tour. You're going on your European tour, right?

I am. I love going to Europe. And you're playing, I love performing in Europe. I just got on. What's your favorite? What's your favorite? Oh, God. Paris was amazing.

Berlin was awesome. I've never been to Berlin. Are you doing that whole, that whole run? Yeah. You're going to Copenhagen, Amsterdam, all of those places? I've done Copenhagen. I'm not going this time, but I'm doing it Amsterdam again. I love.

Yeah. So good. It's beautiful there. I mean, and it's really nice to be out of this fucking country. It is. It's good to get a little reset. Yeah. Well, when I was there, I was going on stage.

It was right, not right after the election, but like a couple of months after election. So I just got on stage and just started apologizing on behalf of our country, you know? And they were there for it. They were happy to hear that. I'm like, listen, we're not all like this. I'm really sorry about our country. I don't know where you stand politically. I'm assuming you're not a bro.

I didn't vote for Donald Trump. Right. Okay. Right. I mean, I'm sure you're not a Trump. I can tell by your outfit that you're not a Trump supporter. Not a lot of corduroy jacket Trumpies out there. No, no, no, no, I don't think so.

So you're going, you're doing your tour, and then you're doing Carnegie Hall too, right? I am, yeah. What's the date on that? December 4th. Oh, okay. And are you going to Europe after that or before? No, I'm going to Europe in October. Oh, fun.

Should be good. Yeah. And so are you going to go to like Reckovic? Are you going to Sweden? I'm not going to Recovic, unfortunately. I've done Sweden before. I love Stockholm. That was awesome.

But I just couldn't fit everything. And I've never, I've never been to Germany, so I wanted to go to Germany and just some place that hadn't been, so. Right. You're not Jewish. I am Jewish. Oh, you are. Well, you better go to Germany while you can because they're ramping back down. I know, no, no. My friends just went to Frankfurt. They had a layover and Frankfurt got stuck there. And her son had like a high necklace on. And she's like, they, the cab driver said, no, we're not taking you. We don't drive Jews. Oh, nice. That was recently. So yeah, you might want to get over to Germany quickly and that bounce. Getting a cab, they're like, don't rub it in, dude. Just fucking, you know, I get it. So you're like,

So if you're, if you're this prolific with your stand-up, you're performing all the time, all week long. How many, and as a New York, because I know you, New York comics like to get up, like, sometimes three or four times tonight. Yeah, I've dialed it back a little just for, you know, there was a point where I had some older comics, I respect, be like, dude, you have to have a life to write about. Exactly. You can't just, like, you know, your audience is living. You have to live. So, you know, at a certain point, all your jokes are, this guy came up to me after my set and he said this. and you're like, that's not a fucking, that's not comedy.

Yeah. That's not life. Right. So, yeah, I try to, I try to follow like an adventure every once in a while. I'm like, I'll just get fucking drunk some nights and be like, let's see where this takes me. Back in the day, I'd be doing like four sets. Tonight I'm just going to like scour the village and try to have a adventure or something with a friend of mine or something. Yeah.

And also go on vacations. I'm so bad on vacation. Why? I get really bored. Really? I'm doing some, you know, days off on this Euro tour so I can just chill. But I get really bored. Do you know how to swim?

Yeah. Well, you should take some swimming classes for sure. Swimming classes. So that you can have, so you can improve on your swimming skills and have a great vacation. I'm a good enough swimmer. Do you think so? But that doesn't sound convincing. Well, how good a swimmer are you?

That's part of what vacation is for me is swimming. Like I want to be. That's how I would like sweat out booze on the road. I would go to like a rec center or something and just swim left. And then sweat in the pool? Yeah. I don't really think gets sweating from swimming. But I get like vacation vibes.

So you sweat and then it just goes right back into the water. Yeah, and the chlorine. rain water, I think. Really? Is that not right? What do these guys do over here? Do they not fact check or something? I don't think you can sweat while you're swimming when you're in the water.

But this is a very interesting conversation. Maybe I'm dumb. I don't know. I think maybe you are. Because can you imagine? Think about it. You're in the water and then you're sweating. I understand it's a workout.

Yeah. But when you come out of the water from swimming so hard, are you sweating? No, but you feel better. She must be losing some of that. You're burning calories for sure. All right. So maybe. sweating was the wrong word, but it's healthy to swim. Well, it's healthy to go on vacation and swim

is what my point is. I love vacations. I'm all about working. So the rec center on the road, I painted for you. It wasn't like a tropical paradise to you? No, I never saw the inside of any rec center. Oh, I love those. I'm not that kind of Jew. I'm like, I'm a total rec center Jew. Yeah, like a YMCA basically is what you're giving. Yeah, yeah. That's how I do the road. We go to the rec center every, yeah, we did a tour bus and we do the rec center every day. Joe Coy had a tour bus, and it smelled like balls. Did you, did you guys do that to together on the bus? No, I went on the bus like twice and that was enough. I mean, we may or may not have had sex on the bus. I don't really remember, but I was disgusted by every part about it.

There were so many men. It's not for women. It's not for women. It should actually just say these are not available for women in a non-discriminatory way. Yeah, Nikki Glazer called me up and she was like, do you like the tour bus? I was like, yeah, I do you like the tour bus? I was like, yeah, I do you like going new. Nikki doesn't take a bus, does she? No, no. But I've got a lot of people hit me up be like, do you like that? And I'm just like, yeah, but that doesn't, it's weird when people ask you if you like something. Yeah, of course. That doesn't mean you're going to like it. Yeah, that's kind of like, what can we expect from your show. Yeah. So that's what you do on the road. You go on the road, you go to a rec center and you bring your crew there. I bring my crew,

we play some basketball or a swim. That sounds reasonable basketball in the rec center. I don't have a problem with that. Love that. And then we, these new YMCA's are all nice. You go to the Midwest or the South. They have like saunas and stuff. so we get in there. Usually there's not a weird dude in there. Sometimes there is. Masturbating. Oh, yeah.

At a Y. That's real tricky. Yeah, that's low fucking end. Well, in New York's... That's not like an equinox dude jacking off. At least you're like, all right, I'm not gay, but at least he looks good. Yeah, but most of these gyms in New York, like men know which ones are the gay gyms and which one are the straight gyms. So that if you walk into a sauna and there's three guys jerking off, that's because that's what's supposed to happen.

Yeah, I'm like Jack Reacher. I'm just passing through these YMCA, so I don't know which are... Right. Well, I'm glad that you're keeping it like you have a lifestyle on the road. That's nice. Got it. Yeah. Because otherwise you're going to go fucking crazy. Totally. Yeah. Flying in and out of cities. Like I like to fly in and out because, and I also don't like to stay in cities where they don't have a nice hotel. Yeah. I can see that. I've already done that a million times. I'm over it. Totally.

I don't want any discomfort in my life at all. I think being a young female comic doing the road. Like that is like, that's tough. I used to do the San Francisco punchline all the time. Great club. And once the first time, yeah, great. club right now it's kind of cobs is is in another big club there too but that was always there but the first time i ever did the road i did i opened for it was david tell was headlining he's my favorite of course the best zach i haven't seen him in years zach alfenakis was middling and it was me and i had to sleep with zach aliphonacus in his hotel room at the commodore hotel because i thought you're going to say just to get the gig because well i mean no Zach would never do something like that he's the only male comic that would never do something like that but he did every night we

went to sleep and he would whisper in my ear, I will never rape you. Oh, that's great. And that was sweet. That's awesome. It was romantic a little bit. Did he do it while he's playing the piano? No, no, he didn't have the piano in the room. Damn.

But that was my first week on the road and I just realized, oh, you, it costs more to even get there than you're going to make in the week. That's when you're a young comic. As an opener. Oh, yeah, you got it. But I remember doing gigs with Dave Attell, and he was the most fun ever. I mean, we were driving back from a gig at Terrytown Music Hall once, and he does that thing where he'll bring you on stage and you're like you dude you're the quickest guy in the world

I'm not going to keep up with you but he's you know he's super supportive then of course he murders we're in the car ride back the whole ride he's like I'm a fucking hack I fucking suck and we're like dude you're all of our favorite comics and he's like well I'm better than you guys that's funny I know he kind of does self-hate oh my god yeah but it's kind of refreshing so many people love themselves I mean I don't think he should hate himself but like you know just a hint of self-loathing's kind of good I think for a little bit but not don't get carried away with it because then you're like spending all day talking about what a fucking loser you are. That's not good either. I mean, that's not good especially. You seem

like you have a good drinker's energy because I think the hangover is good for me because I wake up with like a little bit like, you piece of shit. I need like a little bit of like you're a piece of shit. Well, I always have my best shows or like when I was like doing my talk shows. I always had my best shows when I had a little alcohol in me from the night before because it's just takes like then you don't give a shit. You know, you're just kind of like Lucy Goosey. I don't like to be tightly wound. I don't really get like that anymore because now I've been doing this for so many years, but I don't like, I don't like nerves before I go out on stage. I understand that they're good for, they're purposeful, you know, it means you give a shit, but I don't like

to be nervous. So luckily, with enough time under my belt, and I'm sure you probably feel this way too, after however many years you've been doing stand-up, which is what, 20 years? About, yeah. 20 years. You, I mean, you don't get nervous, right? No, not really. I mean, I get like bored. that's where the alcohol comes in. I'll get, like, disconnected, you know, especially when I do that many shows in a row, I'm just like, all right, I need a drink to spice things up. To spice things up.

Maybe I'll go down a different road with this bit tonight or something. Yeah, I just, like, for a few days, I don't really need a drink. And then, like, by day four, I'm like, I need, like, a man had and I need, like, a cocktail. I need, like, a proper cocktail. I need to get a little buzz. Right. Well, that seems like you have a healthy relationship with alcohol. Yeah, I think so.

I respect it. I know that, like, I don't want to ever. Have to quit. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. You said that before, a bunch too. Obviously. I had a boyfriend once who told me, he's like, I don't ever want to abuse alcohol because

I don't ever want to have to give it up. And I was like, let me write that fucking down because I'm with you. I sometimes go overboard with drugs and alcohol, but I always reel myself back in because I know I can't act like that. You know what I mean? I'm like smarter than I, than my body. I'm not going to end up in a rehab, knock on wood or somebody knock on something. I like what you do with morning news shows. What, how should I say that? I know you've nailed it. That was great. Morning news shows?

That was awesome. What do they call morning? Yeah, morning shows. Like local news shows. Yes, yes. I like that you call them up and fuck with these people because these are the people who aren't wearing pants underneath a desk. Yes.

Like when you're in a local, when you're in like, let's say Akron, Ohio. Sure. Okay. And you go on a local news show and you're promoting your show. And these people are basically, you could say, my penis is out. And they would be like, what can we expect from your show tonight? Yeah. There is no change, of course.

And Sam does this really funny thing where he brings up really uncomfortable topics, Catherine, while he's being interviewed in the morning. And he'll be like, oh, what was one of the ones that you did? I liked the human trafficking. Right, human trafficking. Yeah, it's funny.

That's so funny. Why are you talking about? That guy, I broke him, I think. The woman kind of got it. But don't you think those people are slightly broken anyway? I mean, no offense to any newscasters who are watching, but seriously,

you guys need to take a look at yourselves in the mirror. Yeah, I think they're just so scared. I think they're just living in it. They have to walk such a tight rope and we just, that started because I was forced to do that at like improvs and stuff. Like you have to, you don't, if you miss that, you can't do the weekend. So I'd be like, all right, so I'd go. But I'd be on like two hours sleep hung over and in a bad mood. And it started, the one that started it was in Pittsburgh where someone was like, so have you always been

funny? And you're just in there like. And I said, no, but when I was young, my uncle, he was funny and he molested me. And I got his powers like in Spider-Man. And they were just like, okay. And I just kind of turn to the camera and smiled. And I remember leaving like, can I get that footage? That's like a funny clip. And they were like, get out. So it turned into like a heist.

It turned into like a thing where I'm like, oh, I call the Uber before I go on because I know they're going to be fucking pissed. And I just run out and jump in. So that one, people thought it was funny. So I can take something I hated and make it fun. So, yeah, the Columbus one people liked. I don't know. You just go in.

You're like, is there something in the news I could fuck with? I don't know. It's just nice to fuck with people who are so serious about nonsense. You know what I mean? We're talking about the weather. Like, unless there's a fucking hurricane coming, it's not that serious. And we're talking about morning news, which is pretty banal. There's nothing really happening there either.

It's just so scripted. So when you go on there and you just make it a mess, it's kind of, it's fun. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate that. Thanks. So after everything we're speaking about, you like being on the road, would you say that you prefer that over being at home? I mean, I like both.

I romanticize the road, though. I love it. I love that I can like... How do you romanticize the road? I'm just like, holy shit, this is cool. I'm like, you know, it makes me have a deeper appreciation for America. Like, you go to these random cities, you're like, this is great, you know? What are some of your favorite cities that you really like?

Because I, or some of the ones that you really will never go back to. Well, people know I hate Naples, Florida. I fucking hate that city. Florida altogether. I bombed. There's parts of Florida I love. But overall, like, yeah, Naples was like, that one took, that one, I took a beating there. They hated me.

Really? Yeah. That one sucked. What was so bad? about it. I don't know. I just couldn't connect. I also had this opener who was high energy and hilarious and like he's since passed away, this guy, Carl Michael. How did he pass away? I think he, I think it was, my guess would be drugs. Okay. So you don't know. I don't, we weren't super close. He just happened to be open for me that weekend. But I thought he was funny. I thought he was

really good. And he was a lot of good that does now that he's dead. I mean, you should have told him then. I did tell him then. Oh, great. I wasn't resentful that he was burying me. I was fine with Oh, he did better than you. Oh, totally. Oh, that's funny. I was cool with it. I was like, no. I always feel the same way, too. I have Yamanika open for me a lot, and she's fucking hilarious. And sometimes, I'm like, half the time people are like, who's your opener? I'm like, I have no problem with an opener being funnier than me. No problem whatsoever.

Yeah, no, he was super high energy, and I talk like this on stage. So I think these old people were looking at me, like, he's not even trying. But I'm like, no, this is how I perform, you know? So, yeah, I just bombed every show. They hated me. And I was like, oh, I'm never fucking coming back. And that became, like, a big part of my act is how much I. I hate Naples.

Yeah. And then, but then cities I like, I think, you know, Chicago's amazing. I love SF. I love San Diego's really cool. Seattle. There's always sleeper cities, too, that, like, I would always be hesitant. Like, I don't really like to go to Florida in general just because of the politics. And I find it just to be a depressing place.

I know there are decent places to perform and there are good venues down there. But I try, but like, you know, like Alabama I had never gone to. And then I went and did a show in Montgomery. And it was fucking awesome because there is always those groups of people. that really want you to come down there that they don't get, you know, they don't get everybody passing through those cities. So they're even more wildly appreciative of it. And I like that. I like serving it up for those people. Yeah. And this is, look, it's a complex country that we live in. But there are these pockets that surprise you. And you're like, this is amazing. I had a great

time here, you know. And that's part of the road. Like, I would never go to some of these cities if I wasn't a comic. And then you find out you like them. It's kind of cool. So that's part of the way I romanticize the road. And I think your actress gets better if you're out. like that. You're just like, okay, I'm making it. I was in Zanis once and they told me you were in the green. They were like, oh, Chelsea Hamlin was just hearing like every show she was just making adjustments. I mean, that's the road, you know? Right. You're tweaking, you're trying stuff. Like, that keeps me, when I'm excited about stand-up, that makes me love it, love the road. Because I come back and I feel the results of it. Oh, yeah. I see what you're saying. So you're working on your stuff a lot on

the road. Yeah. I was just having this conversation with a friend of mine because I was like, oh, I started in L.A. doing stand-up, even though I'm from Jersey, originally. I started doing stand-up in L.A. And the culture there isn't like three or four sets a night. You don't do that. You do like four or five sets a week. You get up every night once, maybe twice, but like those for die-hards. But once I started doing the road, like, I don't come back to L.A.

and go up at the comedy store or go to the Laugh Factory. Like, I do my shows when I... Why don't you? Why don't you ever go up there? I just... I don't have any desire. Like, I want to do my hour set, not a 20-minute set or something. Like I will if it's a friend's show

when somebody asks me But typically you're not going to see me at those clubs I just don't I feel like I've I don't want to say I've outgrown it Because that sounds like I'm too good for it Which is not the case I just don't have a When I'm home I want to fucking chill

And relax I totally understand that And recuperate Because when I'm on the road It's like Wednesday through Sunday sometimes Or you know Thursday through Saturday And then I'm done and I come home And I'm like chill chill chill chill

Go back out So I think one of my fears And my audience is very forgiving If I take a long time To get to a punchline because I think they know it's coming. Yeah. But like, you know,

if someone will take something to a seller, is the comedy seller, and they're just like, what the fuck are you doing? So I want to know how the jokes are for people that aren't straight up just there for me. Right. Yes,

I understand that. You know? And I also live like seven minute walk from the cellar, so I feel like I go there more than I should probably. But I love throwing shit at the wall there. It's awesome. Yeah. I mean, that's a good point.

You do want to perform in front of people that are not your fans. Totally. Yeah. I feel like you stop growing if you don't do that at least a little bit, you know? I'm just waiting for my house to be done so I can fucking sell it and move to New York probably. Are you really going to move to New York? I mean, I hope so. That was my plan about three years ago.

That's pretty cool. I got stuck in this new. You seem like a New Yorker. You don't seem like an L.A. person in me. I'm Jersey. That's the Jersey in me. I know, but you have like a, I think wherever you start, that's kind of how you feel to me. And I saw you in the city like way back in the day.

Oh, yeah? It wasn't even a comic yet. I think you were opening for a hotel, I saw you. Oh, maybe. Yeah, Caroline's probably. And you had like a New York mentality. So you feel New York. You should come here. Yeah, I would like to be here. I would like to. There's so much more action here. L.A. is a little bit like really healthy living and everyone's in bed by eight. So I go there to recover, you know, mostly. It's kind of like rehab. I'm healthy when I'm there. Yeah. Everyone's healthy. People, you can't get a drink after 10 o'clock at night. Nothing is open.

Yeah. Anywhere in L.A. Like, they have never recovered from COVID. When you guys, when you were living with Taylor, started to bring this up again, but were you guys in New York or L.A.? We, a little bit of both. During COVID, we were in L.A. And that was probably the healthiest I've ever been. Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, she was, she doesn't drink. So, you know, she felt bad I was there. So she's like, let's go to Vons and let's just find a bunch of liquor for you. So you don't go crazy. But she doesn't, it's also weird to just drink when the other person is sober. Isn't drinking, yeah. Not that, like, I can't, but it's just not as fun. No, it's not as fun. I actually had this show. I was dating this guy and I had the shoulder injury last year and I couldn't drink for like 30 days because I had it like I had to get this

intravenous antibiotics every 24 hours. And you're asking the doctor for loopholes. You're like, but what if I mean, well, I find out after because you could have been drinking on those antibiotics. They're so strong. They'll kill everything. I'm like, you could have fucking told me that a month ago. But I was like, oh good, a month of sobriety under my belt. Like I could use that. You know, I mean, I like to have a drink. So, but this guy didn't take the cue and he kept drinking while I was unable to drink. And I was like, you're out. Get out of here. I'm like, are you stupid? This is your one opportunity to like band together with your partner who cannot drink. This is the moment you don't drink also. Yeah, there was a girl. I wasn't like dating her, but we were kind of hooking up

a little bit. And she would just happen to be in town. And she goes, where are you? I'd love to see you. And she showed up. I was just at a bar shit face with my friend. And she was disgusted. But I didn't know she was coming. Like I just hit me up like 20 minutes before. Like let's hang out. and she was like, you're just drunk? I'm like, hey, you met me at a bar that I've been up for like three hours. Yeah. I'm gone.

Yeah, it's hard. Being drunk is pretty, is pretty... I'm not even a bad drunk or like any bad drunk as you get older has to quit. I'm a pretty pleased... I'm like a go-getter when I'm drunk. I talk about like grand ideas. I'm like, oh, I'm going to do this. It's going to be great.

I make big promises. I don't follow through on them, but I do in my heart want to do them. Yeah. Your intention is there. Yeah. You have a good, healthy relationship with alcohol. I'm the type of drunk who tells you, like, how I genuinely feel about you.

And it's going to be good. I'm not going to drink with you I don't like. So it's all positive. So that's very high school too. When you get drunk and start telling people how much you like them, that reminds me of like, you know, 11th grade in high school. Where people are my best friend.

You know what I love about you? This is what I love you. Or like MDMA, people say that. But at a certain age, yeah. Have you ever done MDMA? No, I don't, drugs. I don't like that. You don't like that at all.

Okay. I'll do like basic. I'll do like if it's a muscle relaxer or something or like, you know, riddling and stuff. like that, but I don't, do you do, do you do a lot of pills and stuff? I mean, I, I, I, I'm familiar with pills. I mean, I'm pretty much, like, I'm familiar with such a classy way to say that. I'm familiar with pills, but I've never heard someone use it. I wouldn't say I'm a pill popper.

Like, if I, if I, if I have, like, I had surgery on my foot a couple, like, I guess two months ago, and I had some pain pills for that, but I wasn't, it wasn't like the enjoyment I would have gotten from pills like 10 years ago. Like, I'm not interested in that stuff anymore. Gotcha. But I do like like MDMA. I like LSD. I microdose LSD all the time. I fucking love LSD. I think it's the best like upper. So I'm pretty like open. I'm a very drug, positive drug. I get along well with drugs. I rarely have a bad time. I was just in a Biza for three days and that ended on a sour note. But that I don't think had anything to do with drugs. That was more, that was just like the heat, extreme heat. And like. But you had a bad.

day from drugs? Just like sick from like just, I was at this party for like three days. It was an ongoing party. Different people, groups of people. It wasn't one party, but just like too much and it was hot and I was like, I'm out. I don't feel good at all. And then I slept for like almost 24 hours and missed my flight back. Fuck. Yeah. I mean, I missed it intentionally. You know, I was like, I'm not making this flight. It's not happening. I have to sleep. It's cool when you make that choice. Yeah. It feels good. It feels good. And then they were like, well, we have to change your hotel room because you were supposed to check out and I was like well good luck with that because I'm not fucking getting up and I'm like you did squatters law I was like you have to come and remove me

you use your squatters rights in a hotel that's fucking crazy I was like come and get my luggage and then bring me a wheelchair and wheel me to the next location because that's how this is going down and that's how it worked like it was fine you're super hungover I was just like I was just weak it was more of weak like I wasn't I didn't get sick or anything I just felt like you know sometimes you get zapped And for me, I have a climate change is going to be a big problem for me because I can't fucking take the heat. Yeah.

I need, I want to invest. You're a Jew. I'm a Jew. You're East Coast Jew. That's all we do is complain about weather changes. Anything. Anything, really. Yeah.

It doesn't have to be the weather. Yeah. Okay, we're going to take a break and we're going to be right back with Sam Morell. Calling all duos, we're looking for more couples to write in for couples counseling with Chelsea.

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Okay, and we're back with Sam Morel. His tour right now, everybody, you can go see him at sammorel.com. That's M-O-R-R-R-I-L. His tour is called The Errors Tour, not to be confused with the other tour that ended last year. I'm not familiar. How did you come up with that name, Sam? I don't know. It just came to me.

Just hit me. And do people get confused? It's happened, yeah. I saw another comedian using it, too, and I was like, I beat him to it, though. It's another one. How can you do that at the same time? Mine was already out there. I can't change it.

I know, but didn't that guy do a Google check and find out that it's happening? He didn't, but it's all right. Your newest special is called Same Time Tomorrow, which... No, no, no. Newest one's called You've changed. Sorry. That one's on Amazon. Same time tomorrow was a Netflix one, but that's on my YouTube channel now.

I got the rights back for that. Did you for Netflix? Yeah, yeah. Wow, nice. You were quite a deal maker. You are Jewish. And you've changed is on Amazon. Yeah.

Okay. As with all his other specials, the hour was immediately a hit with fans and critics alike with the New York Times praising him as reliably funny. I didn't send this. Here's a quote from Vulture, just to make you even more embarrassed. A good comedian who has done the work of establishing a clear, distinct persona can get as big of a laugh on a pause as they can a punchline. Oh.

That's a great compliment. That's nice. Yeah, that's actually what you just said about yourself, kind of. Is it? Moments ago, you said your audience is forgiving when you lead up to a joke. I mean, it's not the same as a pause, but I'm going to ask. I just meant they're patient with me. because I'm sometimes it's, it's, you know how it is.

When you have the notepad out, you're trying to figure shit out. Yeah, yeah. Do you bring your not bag out on stage a lot? I try not to. I ran into someone who called me out recently at a bar. He was like, oh, was at a show and you just had your fucking notepad out. And I was like, you know, I build the show as working out new material. And he's like, still, dude.

At the cellar? No, I was at a bar with a friend and he just, like, chew me out. Is he talking about a show? No, I was in Dania Beach at the improv there. And I was doing workout shows. Oh, I think if you're at a comedy club, you're allowed to bring your notes on stage. I mean, who gives a shit? It's not like you're doing Madison Square Garden

and looking at your notebook. Yeah, which by the way. Did you just burp on me? Yeah, sorry. Oh, my God. Was that bad? Well, I mean, it wasn't great. It came out involuntarily.

It came out more of as an egg sale, but I know what a burp is. I know. Fuck. I thought I could be sneaky. I'm just waiting for her to reach my nostrils, but it hasn't yet, which is lucky. Okay, so you also did the roast of the year a little bit with Hannah Burner.

Yes. How was that? Terrible. Was it? Awful. Why? It was just a mess It was like a four hour shoot

And people were like Some of the people They couldn't read a prompter So they're taking like 30 minutes To do their set And we're just sitting at a table behind I'm like just fucking like this in Was it a live audience?

Oh yeah It was like a four hour shoot I felt so bad for the crowd I think Jeff asked me to do that And I was like I'm not no I don't do roast first of all I said no And then Mark Norman said yes

Because they told him I said yes And he's your buddy He's my buddy And then he was we kind of were like What if we just did it together so it would take the, you know, sting out of it. We had fun, actually. Yeah. Working it out together was fun because we were like riffing off each other,

figuring out jokes. I liked it. Are you typically into roast? Do you like to do those? I wouldn't say it's like my style of humor, but I, yeah, I like them. I think they're like, it's a tradition for a reason. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. How about you? I mean, I've never done them just because my personality is so, like, I'm just roasting people anyway. Like, I don't really need to be, I've always looked at it like, that's a hat on a hat. You know what I mean? Like, it's a little much. good at it? I mean, you... To go off on people all the time. Yeah, now that I'm not on a show where I'm roasting people

all the time, it would be a different thing, but I don't know. I would have to see what they... He asked me to do this one, but it was at the worst time of the year. I was like, I just had just gotten to Whistler. I'm like, I'm not leaving. There was a period when I think like roast battle and that stuff got too big and all these new comics could... They were great at insulting people, but they didn't have five minutes on themselves. So to me, that I was kind of like, ah, this is becoming too much of a thing. Yeah. But when it's a big, I didn't like the idea of roasting the year either because it's like, I don't like roasting people who aren't in the room. So that's why most of our jokes were like Diddy, Luigi. I'm like, all right,

they're either on trial or in jail. Like, let's shit on people that actually are not here for a reason. Right. We're going to take callers and get into some advice soon. This is what we do here at Joe Chelsea. You're going to love it. What is your situation now romantically? Do you have a girlfriend? No, I don't. Do you, are you good at being a boyfriend? Just this is a very female heavy show. So you're going to have a lot of new female fans. Okay. Cool. So if you want to talk. Do you think you're a good girlfriend or no? I wouldn't date me. I mean, I'm doing my own thing. I don't really have any respect for like anyone. Like, I don't like to be in a couple. I like to just do my own thing and have casual encounters. Okay. That's cool. I think if I'm really in it, I'm good. But I was in one

for a while and it takes a while for me to, I like to kind of heal for a while and then just go do my own thing. You need to recover from the relationship for a while. Totally. Right. Well, that's nice to hear from a man because a lot of women feel that way. Really? Yeah. Like a lot, it takes a lot out of you to be in a relationship. First of all, you fall in love and then you can get your heartbroken. And so then you're vulnerable and you like, you have to like kind of almost kind of lick your wounds. Regardless of how the relationship ended, like you can have your heartbroken even if you're the person that ended the relationship. Oh, totally. Yeah. No, it's, I'm usually the person who gets dumped, I feel like, which is kind of great. Well, you're a man. So you should be getting dumped. Yeah.

I mean, you guys have done enough. I'm getting punished for every man ever. Well, all men should be punished for every man ever. Not should be, but they are kind of being punished. Maybe. I think what it is, really. I'll tell you what it is, because I was just thinking about this the other day. Yeah.

I was, because I'm just coming back on to men. Like, I was kind of grossed out by men for a period of time. Did you ever, do you ever have like a lady phase or no? Yeah, but only with guys, like in threesome situations. Like, I'm not hooking up with girls on my own, you know? I'm not like, hey, come over and eat my pussy. But guys, I think. what my turn off was was this kind of like political backdrop that we're in, even if men

aren't Trump supporters, it's very emblematic right now, the world we're living in, the news every single day is very emblematic of the reason we're here in this situation in the first place is because of men, you know, because of men not standing up for women enough, standing up for the rights of people that are not white, straight males enough. Like men aren't, they don't think that's their job. So you don't have to be a Trump supporter to be contributing to that. You know what I mean? So in a certain way, this is from my perspective only, in a certain way, like, I was like, God, I'm so off of men for like the last six months. And I was talking it out with a friend. I'm like, oh, I know what it is. I'm like, I'm so grossed out by what we're

dealing with right now that I want to blame all men for bringing us here. Not just the men who's voted for Donald Trump, but all men. All men for not going, oh, gay people need rights. I'm actually going to actively stand up for their rights. I'm going to actively stand up for women's rights and, you know, equity and all of the things that matter. So, but now I'm starting to realize you guys didn't know any better. Yeah, I mean, I feel like if we get blamed for all the bad stuff men have done, we should also get credit for all the great stuff men have done too. Like, you know. Okay, name something. Maybe before I fuck you, I'm like, this condom, a dude came up with that. That's kind of cool. Yeah, but that's just you guys helping yourselves again. Do you

because you're protecting yourself from having a child. So you have to make... We're protecting you from my STDs. But you have to think of something. There's a joke. I don't have STDs. Yes, he does, by the way. We test all of...

HPV doesn't count. That doesn't fucking count. Are you kidding me? We test all of our guests before they come in and you've tested positive for three different. Did I, that's what that swab was? Human papilloma virus. Your HIV positive.

HIV is treatable now, though. And you have herpes, which is also treatable. So no problems there either. The three H's? Yeah. God damn it. I bet you didn't. didn't realize you were going to get diagnosed when you came on this podcast.

I didn't think so, but you know what? Well, this is a perfect. It saved me a trip to the doctor. You're right. I am a doctor, actually. Thank you. I like to refer to myself as a farm-to-table gynecologist. Damn, all right.

Our callers know that already. Yeah, no, I think, I understand, I understand women are, especially when Roe v. Way got overturned. I understand that. I think that was. Yeah, it's just like, you're, you're insulted that we don't have enough comrades. You know what I mean? It's like, why are we always the ones screaming and yelling?

Why aren't guys helping a fight for us? You know, that's the sentiment. And I'm not saying that guys don't. There are plenty of men. Well, a lot of women voted red in this election. Yeah, but those women are being controlled by their husbands. And, you know, what I mean? Like, women who listen to their husbands.

Like, any woman that voted for Donald Trump is probably married to somebody who's a trumper. And that's a generalization. That's probably not true for every single one. But I'm sure it's true for a lot. And again, that's on the fault of men for. influencing their wives. Well, I feel terrible about this, guys. I'm sorry. Thank you. That's all I was looking for was an apology.

I'm just trying to get pussy from this podcast. Yeah. Well, you will get it. You will get it by apologizing. That's the first step. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Okay, Catherine, what do we have on tap for today, for Sam? All right. Well, our first caller today is Morgan. The subject line of her email is, my dad wants me to meet his soon ye. Dear Chelsea, I'm a 37-year-old woman who's found herself living in the same town as her father after many years far, far away in NYC.

My dad's dating life is a fiery disaster. He's 65, has done well financially, and has ended two of his marriages by having illicit, highly choreographed affairs. He's been married three times, the first being my mother. His most recently terminated relationship was with a 32-year-old who was in need of financial help and entirely devoid of personality. He insisted that we meet her, which we did, and I attempted to get to know her, despite being squarely between mine and my brother's age at the time. When she met my dad, he was more than happy

to pay for her bachelor's degree in nursing, move her whole family into his home, including her brother who was overcoming a gambling addiction. And after a few tumultuous years, they ultimately married with zero guests in attendance. Six months later, they were separating after having given her the reins to property manage his real estate portfolio. She still runs it. He pays her handsomely. They're in the process of detangling it, but it's a fucking mess. She'll ultimately gained a property or two from the whole sordid affair. Oh, lucky her. About a week ago, I got engaged to the love of my life while on vacation in Maui. The day I'm returning home, my dad asks if we would like to meet, quote, Sammy, the 26-year-old, he's been courting long distance. I told him I wouldn't meet her until he met her parents. This whole saga is wrote to me now. He wants a trophy wife, which in his case just looks like a vulnerable young woman who may come from a troubled or a super religious upbringing. Sammy, the new girlfriend, is of the latter variety. I'm currently despiding my time before he proposes to yet another young woman, one he barely

knows. He intends to be engaged to Sammy first prior to meeting her very religious parents. What an absolute joke. His trust in women is bargain basement vibes, sold dirt cheap. My dad and I are close, but I've learned to keep some distance in order to keep my peace. How do I proceed? Do I just kill with kindness and limit my time with him? I refuse to allow him to bring this new Sunyi to my wedding, and I dread even just meeting this young woman who likes old men.

But here I am just trying to, quote, let them. Thanks again, Morgan. Hi, Morgan. This is our special guest, Sam Morrell, today. Hi. How are you? Yeah. He's here to give you some straight heterosexual male advice on this topic.

Perfect. What do you mean by a highly choreographed affair? That sounds like John Wick fucking or something. That was crazy. I was wondering the same thing. No, just that he had them at all, you know, or that they were highly secretive, but like intentional, you know, and a lot of scheduling involved. A lot of scheduling involved, a lot of, yeah, ground to cover. You want to limit your exposure to this woman. Yeah, I find it

kind of disheartening only because it's now becoming just such a rote pattern, you know? I mean, like, it doesn't really matter who it is, but essentially he just wants someone young and it's like kind of devalues some of my relationship. Like, I love my dad, but, you know, but, you know, His relationship with women is, like, hard to digest. Yeah. I mean, like, I would just limit your exposure to her at all and just be honest with your dad. Like, I've already seen you get swindled by this other woman. This seems to be a pattern of behavior because there's not, there's more than just one, right?

Right. Well, yeah, there was someone he recently had a brief marriage with who was, like, between mine and my brother's age. That's the best kind to have. Is he like a romantic? Does he think that, is he in this? where he's like, this is the one. Is he that? Yeah, he does.

He kind of has like this very old school kind of romance. But there's like a 40-year age gap, right? Yeah. That's fucking all. I remember reading about Sinatra dating Mia Faro and he was like 60 and she was 21. And it's like, what the fuck do you talk about? It doesn't matter. My knees hurt.

She's like, what? I was at a dinner the other night. There was a 70-year-old, very famous 70-year-old with a 21-year-old. He's married, first of all. and he was there with the 21-year-old girlfriend who was in, and I know she was 21 because she went to Pepperdine. She was actively a Pepperdine student in her last year. I don't understand.

Well, maybe Sam could shed light on this. I think that, first of all, men just need a woman. They can't be alone. Men have an incredibly, older men especially have an incredibly, that's why when men get divorced, they remarry immediately, and women get divorced, and they're like, I'm never fucking getting married again. Because women are taking care of them

and men want to be taken care of, and they want a younger, hotter girl so that they feel relevant and that people look at them and go, oh my God, look at that man with that young girl. He must be so incredible. But she must be, she's using him as well, though, clearly. Obviously. Yeah. I mean, they're both using each other. So it's actually perfect. That's the thing. It's like, I fully resigned myself to the fact that these relationships are transactional in nature. You know, it's like, why do I have to be involved? Well, why do you have to be involved, though, is the question. Well, that's the thing is like, I've,

had moments where I just can't deal with the drama of his life. But I don't even understand why you are. I mean, just say like, hey, it's my wedding. You come, but I don't want her there. That's your wedding. That's cool, right? And then, and then why else do you have to hang out with her? Just say, it makes me uncomfortable.

Just say, I don't like that. Or you can try dating a black guy and really piss him off. Is it too late for you to date a black guy? Because aren't you getting married? I'm getting married to somebody whose last name is white. So, I need a white guy. That would be even better if he was black and his last name were white. That would be a double whoopsie doodle.

Yeah, that would be great, too. I know that I won't allow that to happen at my wedding or like she won't be there. I think I know that. I used to live, you know, on the other side of the country. And now we're both living in the same town again after, you know, 17, 18 years. That's perfect because that's your excuse. You don't have to go visit him to visit him. You're in the same town now so that it.

if you want to go to lunch with your father, you don't have to hang out with his girlfriend or whatever, you know, his prostitute slash wife. And when you said soonie, that threw me for a loop-de-loop because that implies it was his daughter, right? I was concerned. Right. So it's not that bad. He's just a guy that's dating women that are too young and he's perfectly happy paying

for them and being taken advantage by them. Exactly. And that's fine, but you can separate the two. You can be like, listen, dad, we're in the same city now. I've had enough of your drama with these young women. It's obviously a transactional relationship. I don't want anything to do with it. It's embarrassing to me.

I love you. You're my father. When I spend time with you, it's going to just be us. And that's it. And if you have a problem with that, then I'm sorry, but I have to set up some boundaries here because you've been doing whatever you wanted. And this last hot mess was it impacted all of you. Yeah.

Yeah, but also he's not. And, you know, you have lunch with them and that's it. He's not going to try to bang any of your friends because they've aged out probably. So you're safe there. And then, yeah, just hang out with you. your dad and just your dad. Yeah. And don't have sex with him. No. I don't. I, uh, yeah, this whole SUNY thing put a damper on this conversation. I can't throw out SUNY when it's not nearly that bad. I know, I know. I will say, uh, Morgan, there is another very important piece to this

that you'll want to have a serious conversation with your dad about. And that is inheritance stuff. You know, him being, I know you said with his previous wife, he had a pre-nup, but that's like not actually enough. He needs to go to an elder law or a state planning attorney. and basically talk to him about, like, hey, we don't want this to be a thing where, like, God forbid something happens to you, which it will eventually, that all of your assets go to this person who's 26 or whatever, you need to, like, set it up so it follows the bloodline. And any good elder law or estate planning attorney should be able to help him set up his assets in a way that, like, she can be provided for if they're still married at the time of his death,

but it's not just like, okay, now she gets to go live her life with Biff the Pool Boy. In fact, I would use that as a bargaining chip. Like, I would say if you do all of those things, she's allowed to be in my life 10% of the time that I see you. I will tolerate her as long as you protect yourself financially from this woman. Have you met her? No, I haven't met her. But essentially, when I got back from Maui a couple weeks ago,

we had just got engaged. And my dad was like, hey, do you mind you meeting? Sammy really briefly tomorrow. He stole your shine. That's supposed to be your day. And I was like, no. No, I mean, no, but also, have you met her parents yet? And he's like, no. And I'm like, well, how about you like meet her family or like understand a little bit of context? Like you've spent a total of what 35 days with her over the course of a somewhat distance, you know, very new relationship. Like, why do you, it's just the financial dominance or like whatever that is or whatever this kink is. It's like it's just he just needs to ascribe. himself who wants to be in a dedicated romantic relationship. He wants to share his romance with

everyone else in his life. And really, that's not a lot more than just his family members at this point. And so it's like, it's kind of a sad scenario. But yes, I appreciate where you said, Catherine, because a lot of it is kind of like, oh, is this also going to turn into some mess physically at the end of his life? I think that's the most important thing. You know, however he spends his time, whoever he wants to fuck, like whatever, but you don't need it in your face all the time, but be reasonable, but also the financial aspect being the most important aspect, because you don't want these girls just like taking all of his money. I mean, he's basically paying for a wife or a girlfriend anyway. So let him go ahead and do that, but don't let that

be turned into something in his will. Can I ask a question? What's the minimum age going forward that you'd be okay with him fucking and you meeting? I mean, honestly, if... Because we get him to set his Tinder to that, then maybe we avoid this in the future, you know? Yeah, well, exactly, but I 40, 42. At this point, it would just be someone who's like in or around my age because I really did give that last girl a chance.

You know what I mean? Like, oh, around your age, that's so gross to think of your father dating someone your own age. It's fucking weird, right? Yeah. Did I ever tell you the story, Catherine? My mother died one week after my mother died, my father, Seymour Handler, who now thank God is deceased,

was in our kitchen. And my brother Roy went over to our house to check on my father on a 35 Morningside Drive in Livingston, New Jersey. And his housekeeper, his Jamaican cleaning lady, was nude in the kitchen cleaning for him while he had his pants down on the sofa 20 feet away from her. That was a week after my mother died. That is, that is what happens to older men when they, when they lose their wives. That's not all older men. I got a new cleaning lady. I have, I would never, ever. I would never, ever. have known how disgusting my father was, unless my mother had died.

That's crazy. Disgusting. Wow. Can you imagine this poor woman? I mean, was that like her thing? Is that how she cleans? No, I'm sure he's like, hey, why don't you take her clothes off and clean and I'll sit here and masturbate and I'll give you an extra 40 bucks.

I mean, I'm sure that it was something along those lines. That is fucking wild. But imagine hearing that on your group, your family thread, like, hey, I just came over to dad's house and guess who was naked in the kitchen. You're like, wow, this is a real bummer. Listen, old men can be gross And they can have gross desires But it is your father

So I think we've sorted this issue out I think you're going to be fine And you just have to be very direct Yeah Yeah, fair All right Thank you so much Thanks Morgan

You're welcome You're welcome Follow up with us okay Thank you I will Bye Sam do you think you'll be one of those men That when you get older You're gonna want to date 20 year olds

Like do you see how No I mean I won't go that young now I mean I'm pretty But you're not even 40 yet So I don't think really know until you're in your 50s as a man if you're going to go down that road. I just think that's too young for me. I don't really connect with it. I'm trying to think the youngest I would go. Because at a certain point, they're not talking about anything.

They're just there for, you know, it's like eye candy. Just a vessel for your penis. Yeah. Like a fuck doll. Yeah. And it's also to show off. I would imagine it's to show other. I don't think my friends would be impressed with it. I think they'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Right. But I would imagine that the men who are doing that below. that people are looking at them with envy like look at me look what I have I don't know I think I can't I'm really I'm really I don't have a type really I'm pretty unpredictable with who I date so I don't think I would do that but I mean my ex was older than me I've dated Taylor's the youngest biggest age gap I've ever dated yeah I don't know I think if the person's hot they're if I'm

attracted to them I don't give a shit I know but it's just a there's a different thing that happens when there's somebody, a man that's over 60 or over 70 with somebody that's 20 to 30 years younger. I used to date guys that were like 20 years older than me when I was in my 20s. Now I wouldn't date someone 20 years older than me because that means they're almost 70. Like I'm not down for that either. What stage of your life are you in? What is what is interesting to you right now? What do you want to do with your life? Like I don't want to date someone who's just figuring out who they are. Right. You know? I, I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty secure in who I am. And you date someone super young. You're just like, what? It takes a lot of people to, like, form an identity, I think. Well, it's also interesting what you say about, like, what stage of life you're in because how many stages are there, you know, like. Oh, I was with a girl who was, like, just like, I almost say eight years younger than me recently.

And she took me to this bar and I was like, this is fucking loud. You get to an age really, this sucks. I don't like this. Yeah, that's for sure. That I appreciate. So it's just. I mean, you go to certain bars. You're like, this is for a certain age.

And then you, I like, I always liked older people bars just because I like that you could have a conversation. Because, you know, soft jazz, we'll talk, we'll have a few drinks. But the loud music, I'm getting older. Like, I get it now. My mom will be in a restaurant on me and she'll be like, this is so fucking loud. I'm like, it's not that loud. That's what the LSD is for to tolerate those situations. Really?

Yeah, totally. You can handle any situation on LSD. I hate loud. I understand what you mean. I also don't like loud. But, like, if I need to get it up in that environment, meaning I need to go and hang in that kind of environment. I know, I know you don't have a penis.

I know what it meant. I do have a penis. Damn. And I think we all know I have a penis. You do. But, yeah, then I'll take whatever, whatever, I'll take whatever means necessary to get me into the mood to hang out in that situation. No, I know what you mean.

Like, I want to be a good sport. But I feel the same way as you. It's fucking annoying. Loudness is annoying. I see young people waiting out lines for bars and stuff. And I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. That's something I would never do.

You don't do that. Right. Time is valuable. Okay, let's, we'll take a break and we'll be right back with Sam Morrell. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA.

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I did shower before I came here. You took a shower? I could tell. He only burped once, but that was an accident. I'm sorry. It was a celtzer, though. Yeah. Okay, well, you can go catch him on tour, guys.

He's on the errors tour. And if you're in Europe, you can go see him there. I'm everywhere in Europe almost, except a couple of the places she mentioned. And you can see him in Carnegie Hall. In Chicago Theater, October 4th, too. Chicago Theater, October 4th, Carnegie Hall, December 4th, you said? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

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It was great to meet you. Nice chatting with you. Yeah. I put up New Vegas dates, by the way, for next year. This year, I will be there November 1st and November 29th. Those are my last two dates this year. Then I start up again January 31st, March 7th, April 18th, and May 30th. And tickets are now on sale for all of those dates. Do you want advice from Chelsea? Write into Dear Chelsea Podcast at gmail.com. Find full video episodes of Dear Chelsea on YouTube by searching at Dear Chelsea pod. Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brad Dickert, executive producer, Catherine Law. And be sure to check out our merch at chelseahandler.com.

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