Dear Chelsea - Making Out with Josh Radnor

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

Josh Radnor joins Chelsea to talk about the highs and lows of playing one character for a decade, the delights of NYC, and his sober-curious lifestyle. Then: A newlywed discovers an attempt at cheating while snooping on her husband’s phone.  A sister wonders if she’s third-wheeling with her brother and his girlfriend. And an employee wants to do her job and make out with her boss.  Just a little bit.  * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Hi, I'm in recovery mode. Oh, did you, you didn't have a spill, did you? Oh, no, no, not that kind of recovery. I had a, I had a lot of people at my house for the last week and they, and a lot of action, a lot of people, a lot of things. And I am really, I just slept probably 16 hours on Monday and another 12 hours yesterday. So I'm starting to feel back to myself. I have Vegas this weekend. Oh, good. You got to prepare. Yes. I have some new material that I have to test out for my, new tour, the High and Mighty tour, which starts on February 13th, which we've actually made some additions to. We've added some shows. We added Los Angeles. I will be performing at the Netflix is a joke festival. That's on May 6th.

We added Rohnert Park, California. The presale is live now. April 3rd, I'll be in Rohnert Park. And also, we added Atlantic City, which is on Valentine's Day, February 14th. So those new shows have just been added to my high and mighty tour. And my first two shows out of the gate will be in Washington, D.C., Atlantic City, and then Norfolk, Virginia, February 13th, 14th, 15th. I will see you there. Excellent.

Well, I'm excited about our guest today. Yes, our guest today has a new album called Ulogy Volume 2, and he is the host of the podcast, How We Made Your Mother. So please welcome Josh Radner. Hi, Josh Radner. Hi, Chelsea. How are you? I'm good. How are you doing?

You look so professorial with all of those books. I like the salt and pepper hair and then the books behind you. It's painting quite a picture. You got just the vibe I'm going for. You know what I was thinking on my way over to record this podcast today? I was thinking, oh, I'm interviewing Josh Radner. And then I was like, how do I know Josh? And then I was like, did Josh and I ever sleep together?

We didn't sleep together, but we made out. I'm happy to talk about it on the podcast if you want. Right, well, we're recording, so let's get started. Oh, okay, yeah. You know how we met? Is Matt Boren and Jessica Golden, I think? Oh, Jessica Golden. I remember Jessica.

Do you know where she is today? Jessica Golden? She wrote me a couple months ago, but remind me. No, I don't know. I'm curious. I haven't seen her in years. I haven't either. I'll have to check my texts.

But they took me to an evening that you were emceeing somewhere. Melrose, what's the comedy club there? Improv. Yeah, the improv. Maybe. Yeah. And I were, and I think it was my first season hiatus of how I met your mother. And I had a big long, like, hiatus beard.

Oh, yes, it's coming back to me now. You came up to the bar and I said, great job. And your first words to me, you said, you look like a terrorist. And then you walked away. But then later that night, we ended up making out. Oh, I knew something happened. I'm so glad my memory isn't just shot. You know what I mean?

Yeah, but it was 20 years ago and we didn't sleep together. I do remember that. Okay, great. Well, that's great information to have. I'm glad. And did we make out at the improv or did we go somewhere after? No, no, no. You came to my little apartment for a little while.

Didn't you have a roommate? No. Oh, okay. I might be confusing me with someone else now. Anyway, it's great to see you again. I haven't seen you in ages. And now you're married. Well, first of all, you're a musician and an actor.

I mean, forgive me for not knowing this, but I didn't even know you were a musician. Now this is great information to have and to spread the word. He has a new album called Ulogy VIII. Volume 2. So there's a eulogy volume one, I'm assuming, which I'm going to listen to as soon as possible. Correct. Yeah. Okay, here's a serious question. Who is the more annoying group of artists? As a successful actor and musician, now that I know you're both, who is more annoying as a group of artists? Musicians or actors? I don't know. I don't think of, I don't classify people by their

level of annoyance, but I will say that the musicians I've met, especially in Los Angeles, I now live in Brooklyn, but the musicians I met in L.A. and in Nashville, where I've spent a lot of time, have been incredibly generous, cool, collaborative people. Acting is maybe a little more like mercenary, like kind of, I don't know, but I've been doing it longer the acting, so I'm a little more like delighted by the newness of the music. Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. I understand what you're saying. And I have to say, I have a couple of couple of friends who are not, they're not out as musicians yet. They're working on music, but they are actors, two of them specifically that I'm thinking of, and they have the same exact

sentiment. They're going to be coming out with music and they're both pretty big stars. So like, and I had no idea. I was like, wait, what? You guys? And they're like, well, that's why, because we have to get it right, you know, because we're so, you know, well known in these other arenas. I would imagine the pressure is intense to get it right. But they said the same thing about Nashville. And they also surprisingly told me that the music scene in Los Angeles is far more not adaptable. Like, there's just more going on musically in L.A. than New York, which surprised me. Would you agree with that? That is true. I have found New York. I think it's a matter of, like, the venues are just a little more, like, active in L.A. So, like, I started playing music

at the hotel cafe, which is, like, an incredibly intimate, you know, there's two stages. The people were so nice. I kept getting invited to these, like, songwriter evenings and I'd get up and do two or three songs and meet people who ended up becoming collaborators. It was great. Yeah. That is fun. It's first of all, it's so nice to not to have to do one thing. Not that you have to do acting, but you know what I mean? It's what you were saying earlier. I feel very aligned with that. I like to do a lot of different things because otherwise I'll get too bored. And what I've noticed by doing a lot of things, I mean, it could be ADD or however you want to frame it or it could just be like artistic behavior, you know,

the life of an artist is like you kind of have to spread yourself around a little. It's not always one thing. I guess unless you're Van Gogh, it was one thing. But I'm sure he had other tricks up his sleeve too that we probably don't know about. But I would say that and then the artistry kind of bleeds into each other. Would you say that that's true? For me, for me it's kind of like I think about there's just like different ideas need a different form. Like sometimes I have an idea and I'm like, well, that's a 90 minute story. Like that's a movie.

I have another idea and I'm like, that's a four minute song. I'm not going to get anything more. It's actually better as a song than it would be in a larger kind of, you know what I'm saying? Right. Right. Well, you've written, and you've written movies too. And you wrote the Fleischman's. Fleishman is in trouble on showtime, right?

Taffy Broderer-Ackner wrote it. I acted in that. Oh, you acted in that. Sorry, I thought you'd created that. That's very nice of you to think that I'll tell Taffy you thought that. Yeah, let's just keep pretending that you're responsible for anything I mentioned. Jaws. He also wrote and directed Jaws.

I did write Jaws. I didn't direct Jaws. I directed Close Encounters. Can you imagine? I was just, I grew up on Martha's Vineyard, like, in the summertime. So they actually shot that movie when my brothers and sisters were in their, like, you know, kids under 10 years old. So they watched that shark bruise go up and down in the water in the bay on Catama Bay. And they would not go in the water for 10 years after that.

Yeah. So what's your story, Josh? You're married? Do you have children now? No. We have a dog named Nelson who's somewhere around here. That's a good dog's name. Yeah.

I approve of that. Yeah. And are you planning on having a baby? Are you anti-children? What's your stance? I'm not anti. Are you open-minded about it? Yeah. You are. Okay. Good to know. Great. Just getting to re-know you. Yeah. We didn't cover everything the night we met. We don't. I mean, yes. How could we have? We were obviously.

We were busy. Yeah, we were busy. I was, I'm sure I had a serious buzz going. Are you sober now? I'm so, I'm like California sober. Meaning only weed. Is that right? I like weed. I like psychedelics. I don't drink. I haven't had a drink in about seven or eight years. I still like altering the consciousness. I just don't do it with booze anymore, you know. Yeah, that seems to be the trend. You know, I mean, I still drink because I have a real affinity for alcohol,

but I definitely drink a lot less because of all of the other good stuff available now, like the healthier stuff, like if you're microdosing, whether it's psilocybin or LSD or whatever you're into, you don't, you definitely don't drink as much as I used to, for sure. Yeah. for me, alcohol was just, it, it, it just unleashed some part of me that was not great. I also, I don't know, I have it in my family. It just felt like a good move to make, but I still, like, I didn't have an off switch with alcohol.

I have it with everything else. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of people that don't have an off switch with alcohol. I was like, if one is good, four is better, you know. Yeah, four is better. And then you get that look in your eye, that empty, vacant look in your eye. And you're like, ah, it's time to take you home, sweetie.

and sometimes you're talking to yourself. You do this podcast. I'll watch podcast with How I Met Your Mother. You rewatch episodes together and discuss. Well, yeah, it's with one of the co-creators of the show, Craig Thomas. I already told you you've created everything that we're going to talk about today. Yeah, I've created it all. So it's cute if you want to shout out names to other people, but we're just going to edit that from the podcast.

It's called How We Made Your Mother. It started because my wife, Jordana, had never seen the show, and she really wanted to watch it. And I kind of felt like ready to watch it again. I hadn't seen it in so many years. So I called Craig, who's a really dear friend, and I love talking to him. And I was like, do you want to do something a little more formal and just, like, go through the show and talk about it? And, you know, it's a rewatch. And we don't cover it in, like, granular detail every episode.

But we really do talk about, like, the major kind of themes of what was up. We talk about what worked still, what didn't work, what no longer kind of works. It's kind of like this meta thing because the whole series was structured as this older guy looking back on his younger years. and now we're like older looking back on this thing we made. I know that show was like nine seasons. Yeah. So, and you were the very first person cast in that show. Is that accurate?

That is true, yeah. Me and Kobe Smolders were the first, yeah. But I was the very first person who auditioned on the very first day. That is true. That is wild. Okay. Yeah, that is wild. I mean, nine years of your life is such a big chunk of your life.

So big. Yeah. I always thought about it. I was like, it's high school plus college plus one year. Plus a mini PhD. Yeah, a gap year or whatever. I mean, it was so long and also it flies by. I mean, it's so weird.

Like, the thing you're describing of, like, wanting to go from thing to thing, that's, like, a little thing probably we share is, like, a little bit of a mercurial personality. Like, we want to go from thing to thing. And you never think when you get into this industry, I'm going to be doing something for nine years. Like, that's insane. Right, right. And also, in like the regular world, if you were to go into any job, I wonder if people want to go into a job thinking I want to be here for nine years.

You know, usually if you're really kind of like my professional friends go to a company and they'll be like, oh, I'll stay here for five to six years and then I'll move on to something else. Right. But I don't know if that's like a different level of employment, you know, or if some people are just looking for any stability whatsoever. But if you were to go into something knowing it would last that long, I wonder if our decisions would be the same. Well, you have to, I mean, when you test for the pilot, I think it's still like this,

you have to sign a seven-year contract, you know? So, but statistically, that never happens, you know. Right. But, and in your case, it exceeded the seven years. But you're so grateful in that moment when you're signing that fucking, you're like, please give me seven years of a salary. Please, you never could imagine that you would either grow bored. And I'm not saying you did.

I just speak from my own experience. That you would grow bored or experience any sort of enwee or, you know, like get tired of something. Well, I was like, please give me my health insurance. Like I was like really wanted something. to go. And if you look at nine years of your life, any nine year chunk, you're going to be bored, frustrated, elated, like, it's everything. You know what I mean? Like, no one wants to hear that you had a bad day on your hit TV show, but like, of course you do, you know? You also have

really fun days. Yeah. And you had such a great cast. I mean, everybody in that cast is a solid, normal, mostly normal person. I don't know that. Depends on the day, but yeah, mostly. Yeah, well, of course. I mean, we are dealing with actors, but as far as actors go, you got a good batch to work with. That's for sure. Yeah. I love Kobe Smolders. I love Jason Siegel. I love Kaylee. Now, it says here that you struggle to separate yourself from the role that you played and that you struggled with fame. Talk to me about that. I didn't, I wouldn't say I struggled with separating myself from the role. I felt like I struggled with other people not willing or wanting to separate me from the role. You know what I mean? I knew who I was all the time. I knew who I, you know, I knew I was

playing a role. It's like, you know, it's such a head trip, like so many people, and people watch the show over and over there's these people that are, I love them, but they're obsessed with the show, and they watch it over and so they've spent so much time with me as this one person. I film this thing, I banked it, I've moved on with my life, and I've, I don't think about it. I don't know the show the way they know the show. I don't, I'm not saturated in it the way they are. So when they meet me, it's almost like I offend them by having another life and another name and a, I don't, another. You know what I mean? Yeah. I will say if anyone we've ever had on the show, I think you have the most thriving

like Reddit life. Like, you know what I mean? Like people are out there like still having conversations about the show. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it's crazy. It's wild. I was just on Jesse Tyler Ferguson's podcast. We were just talking about, you know, because he was on Modern Family for so long. And we were talking about like the weirdness of people wanting you to be that character and wanting and interpreting everything you say and do through the lens of the character. So it was strange. I mean, I think there was, there was one level it was that. And the other level was just, you know, the erosion of anonymity. And, you know, it was weird. I just found it very destabilizing. I'm used to it now. Like, I know how to walk through an airport and take a few photos of people and move on with my day. It's not like, it's not a huge deal. But like at the time, I was really unsettled by it. Yeah, I would imagine that's true for a lot of actors. For me, I'm like, you know, I am kind of what I am on TV. So it's a different. I'm not playing a character. You know, my persona is who I am pretty much. You know, luckily, it's even better.

I mean, hopefully it's even better in person. But I don't struggle with that. So I'm always curious to hear actors talk about that because it would be really fucking annoying for people to expect you to be in character in the middle of the day on a street in Los Angeles. That's really annoying. Yeah, yeah. I had a girlfriend years ago who said,

man, you're a lot nicer when people come up and say your real name and want to talk about one of the movies you directed. You know, like I just had this weird. But I've really, I've made peace so much with it. And part of it, the rewatching of the show has brought me some peace where I'm, I remember watching these episodes, you know, 20 years ago. And I was so hard on myself. But now I watch it and I'm like, you were young.

You were also doing a really good job and a really hard role. Like, I have a lot more compassion for myself at this age, looking back on it. I also have a lot more understanding of why people love the show in some weird way. Like, I couldn't understand why people are so obsessed with it. I mean, I was like, it's good, but why have you dedicated your life to it? Like, why is it a religion? But now I get that, like, it really teaches people something about those years, like those 25 to 35, which are really pivotal, interesting times in people's lives, you know.

Right. We're talking about the show, how I met your mother. And then we're talking about Josh's podcast, which is how we made your mother. It sounds like you've also done a lot of self-reflection and, like, probably therapy, I'm assuming, correct? Sure, yeah. From everything I was reading about you in preparation for this interview, it sounds like you have, A, a lot of stuff you want to get out, you know, especially with the music. It's nice to have the freedom to be able to direct, to be able to act, to be able to sing, like these guitar ballads that are on your album that I was reading some of the lyrics of.

And it's really just a testament to the creative spirit, I think, when you really can do all of these things aptly. and want and have the desire to keep doing it and keep producing things. Yeah. Yeah, thanks. I mean, I, you know, when I was in drama school, like, I just wanted to do an episode of Law and Order. And then you do that and you're like, oh, wait, maybe I could actually be on one of these shows for a while or maybe I could be on Broadway or, and, you know, it's hard because

the carrot keeps moving. But at the same time, when you do one thing, it kind of like uncorks this thing of like, oh, what if I tried that or what if I tried that? And I started writing songs with my friend Ben Lee, who's a great Australian songwriter. So I kind of apprenticed with this great songwriter. Like I took it very seriously as a craft. You know, I was, I didn't like go in with the producer and be like, here's three lines, make a song. Like I really tried to get under the hood of how songs are made.

And it's just been, it's been so satisfying. Oh, that's so nice to hear. Where do you think you find your, like, happiest version of yourself? I feel like when I have my hooks in a song or like a script, and there's like, just like a good writing day is like truly the most satisfying thing for me when I'm, when you catch the wave, you know, and it's not like, I mean, I don't mind like chiseling away at something. But like when you catch a wave, there's kind of a thing of like the afternoon walk with my dog and then writing a song. And my wife is a psychologist, like waiting for her to come down

from the office and get dinner in our sweet little neighborhood. Like, like pleasures are like small these days. And I mean like cosmically big, but small in the grand scheme of things. And I've really liked the last, you know, year and a half we've been married has just felt very sweet. That's sweet. I love to hear a straight man talk like this. Now, what is your, so your wife's a psychologist, how does that play out in your marriage? It's good because I'm pretty psychologically minded, you know, and I can speak that language. And she really loves stories and television and movies. And she has no desire to be in front, but her story instincts are unbelievably good. Like she always knows what's about to happen in something.

She's like always a little bit ahead of things. And when she reads things, I really trust her eye and her ear. Like she's a great shadow collaborator in certain ways. I just read this term called prelectic irony. Do you know what that is? No. When the audience knows, it's just what you're describing about your wife. When the audience knows something's going to happen in a movie or a book before the characters do.

So as the reader or as the viewer, it's called prelectic irony. And then there's another form of irony, which is not as relevant to this conversation. But I thought that was such a good thing that there was a term for that. I like knowing that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Does she psychoanalyze you ever? Or is she just too tired from working that she doesn't have time for that?

Legitimately, she is too tired. She doesn't, we don't really do that. I mean, it's more of like, do you want, like, what was that? I heard a great thing that was like. Like when someone comes to you and they're all worked up, you say, do you want a toolbox, a tissue box or a soap box? So it's like the soapbox is like you just want to vent. The toolbox is do you want some help working through this?

And the tissue box is like, do you just want to release it and let it go? And I think we're pretty good. Like I've had enough relationships where I'm like, I don't do the fucking thing. I mean, sometimes you fall into it, but like I don't get in there and try to fix it. You know, but a lot of times she's so, she's seen, you know, six or seven patients in a day. And she's like, and on Zoom, right? And she is, that is closed for business, right? So then we're just figuring out where to go to dinner, you know.

Yeah, that's nice. It's nice to figure out where to go to dinner in New York City. I love that. We're in Fort Green, which has some of the best restaurants in New York. And we went to Italy on our honeymoon and we were like, I mean, it's good, but like, it genuinely, you get spoiled in New York. as good as New York. I mean, some of it is, yeah, you, sorry, Italy. We had a great time, though.

I know. I think you're right, though. Like, it's kind of like Mexico. You go to it, like, I was in, like, I go, when I was in Mexico City, I was so excited about all the food. And I was like, this is not what I envisioned at all. And I'm like, I feel like we might have better Mexican food in Los Angeles. Yeah.

It's almost like, do you remember that movie John Carter? It was like, it was basically like a novel that George Lucas plundered for all this inspiration for Star Wars. And then they made a John Carter movie. And then everyone's like, it's like a Star Wars rip off. And it's like, no, that was the original thing that George Lucas loved. And I feel like Italian food or Mexican food is probably like that where it's like, that's the OG thing.

But we like took it and made it something else. Yeah, exactly. And that's what we've acclimated to. And we're like, we think that's right. Exactly. Exactly. Same thing with pizza. You know, there's that famous pizzeria in Rome.

Did you go to Rome on your honeymoon? Well, we flew through. We were up in the north. It's like called the cemetery or something. Everyone goes there and I went there and I was like, this is really disappointing. Meanwhile, you know, you can't say anything because you're like, fuck, I don't even want to sound like an idiot, but I do not like this. If I lived in New York, I would just be twice the size of myself. Every night before I go to bed in New York City, I have to have a piece of pizza.

Yeah. And I hope if I lived there, I wouldn't act like that because I do want to live in New York City one day. I just have to wait for my hell that is Los Angeles house to be done being built, which I bitch about. on this podcast all the time. So there's no reason you shouldn't be privy to it as well, Josh. It's fine. But also in New York, you end up eating at like 10 o'clock, like a full dinner at 10 o'clock. And L.A., you're just, it's a whole different thing.

I would like to be up at 10 o'clock. You know what I mean? Yeah. And New York would even provide me that. L.A. is Sleepyville now. L.A. makes you very elderly, very quickly. You're like 5.30 dinner. You're asleep.

You know what I mean? Like, I said I have to move to New York soon because otherwise I will be to, like, at least it's motivating, you're always going out, and there's too much happening around to not participate in some of the action in New York. I was just telling my friend, I'm like, I'm going to have to move to New York. Otherwise, I'll die in like five or ten years because all I do when I'm in L.A. is sleep. I honestly went to bed last night at like 8.45. I was like, I took it out of bowl, and I was like, oh, fuck it. You know, like, what am I watching? Nothing important right now. I just sold my house in L.A. Like, I'm fully living in New York. I, like, I just closed on it,

like, three weeks ago. Could you have sold my house with your house as like, like, a little couplet. Where are you staying in the meantime? I'm staying currently with my friend Kat. Thank you, Kat. She's put up with me. We're like basically turning into a lesbian couple. She cooks. She's a busy career woman. She takes such good care of me. I bring nothing to the table in terms of domesticity. I am as useless or as useful, I should say, as an Astriana motorcycle when it comes to domesticity. But I provide personality and I like to finance things. So that's what I'm good for. You know, you have to find your strengths in this world. And those are mine, Josh.

Those are mine. On that note, we're going to take a break and we'll be right back with Josh Radner. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. you're supposed to be safe.

That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays

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And everything's just under your name. You don't have a band's name. No, just my name, yeah. Josh, are you ready to take some questions from some callers? We dole out advice here like professionals. Oh, wow, I didn't know this. Okay, yeah, I'm up for it. Surprise.

You're going to love it. Everyone loves it. Yes. Well, our first question is just an email. This comes from Nikki. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm writing because I'm struggling with a situation in my marriage and could really use some outside perspective. Oh, perfect.

We have a married man here. Right, exactly. And a married woman. Yeah, exactly. My husband and I have been married for 10 months. Eight months ago, we moved across the country for his job, which meant I had to leave all my friends and family behind. We're still adjusting to the new city, and he now travels frequently for work.

A few weeks ago, I went to visit friends. and while I was gone, my husband went out to a bar. I had this nagging feeling and knew something was off when I got back, so I ended up going through his phone. I know I know not proud of this. What I found was that he had texted a girl he met at the bar around 2 a.m. He had apparently left, and he was asking her to come back out to the bar, offering to pay for her Uber.

It didn't seem to go beyond texting, but the fact that he was actively pursuing another woman while I was visiting friends, the friends I had to leave behind because of his career, feels like such a betrayal. Totally. When I confronted him, he apologized and seemed genuinely sorry, but I can't shake the feeling that he's getting more comfortable seeking attention from other women.

The combination of frequent travel, us being apart often, and now this incident has my trust at an all-time low. Here's what I'm struggling with. I hate that I felt compelled to go through his phone, but my gut instinct was right. Now I'm worried he'll just get better at hiding things. I also feel especially vulnerable because I'm isolated in this new city without my support system,

and it feels like he took advantage of the moment I left town. We're planning to have a serious conversation about this, and I'm considering couples therapy, but I'm not sure if I'm overreacting or if this is as big of a red flag as it feels. How do I know if this is something we can work through or if I'm just setting myself up to be a detective in my own marriage? And how do I deal with the fact that I moved my entire life

for someone who might not be as committed to our marriage as I thought? Thanks, Nikki. It's a lot. I would say that's a big, big red flag and really unfortunate. First of all, I'm so sorry, Nikki, that you're dealing with that. But I'm of the belief that, like, when something like that happens, it has to become such a big deal to make the first time the last time.

Like, you have to get into counseling right away with somebody, with a therapist, to understand why he would even allow himself to get to that place. To be drunkenly texting somebody at 2 o'clock in the morning is so disrespectful, so unacceptable. You're 10 months into your marriage. That is a huge red flag that he's doing that. Yeah. And while I wouldn't say like, oh, God, you got to divorce him.

You have to immediately draw attention to the matter. There have to be consequences to those kinds of actions. I don't care about anyone going through anyone's phone. I mean, it's not ideal. But if somebody does and they find something, it's usually because if a female instinct and you want to, like you're not pouring through your husband's phone all day long. But now that she saw that, she's going to do it again. It's woman's intuition.

Like, we kind of always know. And I do agree with you. I think that this is something that they can work through, but like get into therapy immediately. And this is not going to be two sessions. He's obviously having some Peter Pan stuff about like, oh, God, I'm married now. I still want to sow my wild oats. But like, I do think if he's committed to getting past that, you guys can get past it. Right.

What do you think, Josh, from the male perspective? Well, I think, first of all, it's like a pretty insightful letter. Like, she has some real self-awareness. And I think that that is terrific. I hope her husband has similar kind of self-awareness. He might be in a fog of, like you said, like Peter Pan. I understand all that. It's like women have their own version of this,

but I think men, sometimes marriage can feel like the end of like hanging up some aspect of yourself that was like that very energizing and fun and exciting. But in a good relationship, all that stuff can come out to play and still be active. But I think you're right. It's like it's no good. I mean, it's almost like live your life in such a way that no one needs to go through your phone. Like that's a good way to be, you know? Like you want to feel like your public face and your private face are the same, especially in your marriage.

I mean, if I was like keeping massive secrets from my wife, I would find this marriage really hard to be in. So I feel like you got to establish guidelines where it's like we're transparent with each other, where the behavior doesn't, you don't have these side behaviors because you're obviously trying to escape something that's a bigger issue, which is why couples therapy is inevitable for these. Right. Couples therapy and then individual therapy for him too because it's. also really so unfair to put your partner through that, to know that she has a job that takes her out of town. And now, every time she goes out of town, this is what's going to be on her mind, instead of her being able to focus on her job and be, you know, the best person in her career that she can be and all of the goals that she wants to attain or reach or aspire to, whatever,

like, you're putting an onus on her now to actually have to be preoccupied with your childish behavior. And because you're drunk at 2 o'clock in the morning. And that puts her in like the mother role and him and the child role, which is very unsexy. Yes. I would say that her larger question, am I overreacting? I would say no. Yes, correct. Right.

We all agree that you're not overreacting. And, you know, I think people don't talk enough about how hard that first year of marriage can be. I know in my life, like we went through probably like two years of therapy, about a year in we started going to therapy. And like, I just didn't know what I didn't know, you know. It really helped. And it's why I'm still married 20 years later, 15 years later.

And what were some of the challenges of being married in your first year? Well, it's a big adjustment. Like even people I found friends of mine who are like, well, we've been living together forever. So it's not going to change anything. But I think it's an expectation shift where people are like, oh, they're going to come home at a certain time. Or we're going to like, you know, no one's going to stay up watching TV. We're going to go to bed together. Whatever, like little and big things.

There's a lot. Honestly. I mean, having to go to bed together every night. I mean, opt out of that. I think any healthy couple doesn't do that every single night. You know, obviously. You can't. I have some friends who've been married a long time, and they maintain that as their secret,

is they go to bed at the same time. They go to bed together every single night at the same time? Yeah. Oh. Wow. Wow. Interesting. Hmm.

I'll have to think about that on my drive home. I'm not so sure about that. I will also say, I think one of the big keys for us was like, you know, they say never go to bed angry. For us, it was like, go to bed angry. Because you, like, maybe I've had a couple drinks. And even if not, you're tired. you're grumpy, you're circling the same drain over and over and over.

Like go to bed, you wake up and you're like, what were we fighting about? It's like holding off on sending that email at night, you know, an angry email. That's the most like common somewhat dumbest marital advice. Everyone says it and you're like, no, think about that. Go to bed angry sometimes and wake up and be in a better place. Yeah, but also who fucking came up with that, that we have these like, it's one of those axioms of life. Like, don't go to bed angry. It's like almost like something that, you know, any idiot.

could have said. And then everyone's like, yeah, let's repeat that. Rinse cycle and repeat. Yeah. Do you have any rules that you and your wife follow about maintaining? I mean, you obviously seem very well balanced, Josh, and that, you know, you have your shit together. Well, it's been a hard one. It hasn't always been that way. My wife had, uh, she said, I only have two rules, which I thought were incredibly sensible. One was be kind, which I think is great. And the other one when she said, don't read my journals. She's kept journals like for years and years and she's, you know, And she has a friend that in the event of her untimely death, her one job is to come to the apartment and get all the journals and burn them.

Like she's very sincere about like no one is to see these. These are just for me. Which only would pique my interest more. Yeah, I know. It hasn't. I honor it. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's such. Talk about a betrayal. Reading somebody's journals. Terrible. Terrible. I can't even believe people still write with their hands. I had this, I got that new gratitude journal and I was like, okay, I want to do it in the morning

and at night every night. And then my friend's like, oh, you could do it on your, you know, you could download the app and do it on your phone. I'm like, I could only get through, you know, when you're writing now, it's like so hard to write for some reason. Your hand is like, what are you doing? I know, and I can't fit all the words. It's like my handwriting sucks now.

And I'm like, if I type it, I get so much more in. Then I want to list 10 things instead of three things, you know, that made today great, et cetera. So, yeah, I'm all about the phone. now. I've given up. We're living through the technology age and now we're living through the artificial insemination and intelligence age. Don't remind us. Two things. I don't want anything to do with. I don't want to deal with AI. Well, our next email comes from Allie. She is calling in. So she says, my name's Allie. I'm 32 and my brother, 31, is my best friend. Don't worry. I have other friends,

like a healthy number. But for a lot of reasons, including complex family dynamics, our shared dark sense of humor and the bond we formed caring for our grandma during her dementia years, he's been the most important relationship in my life for a long time. Here's where it gets tricky. In the past year, he's entered a serious relationship. I've known this girlfriend for years, and I think she's lovely. This isn't one of those I hate my brother's girlfriend's situation. Sounds like it's going to be, though.

But something about it just isn't fully clicking for me emotionally. It's not jealousy and it's not drama. It's just change. And apparently I'm not thriving in it. We live next door to each other. because of course we do, and I'm realizing I've built a little too much of my identity around this brother bestie dynamic. Most of my other close friends are getting married, having babies, or moving on to new life phases. And while I'm good with my own path, I think, I need more tools

to invest in me again. So how do I begin to lovingly create space between me and my brother, who is, again, still my favorite person, without feeling like I'm pushing him away? I don't want to be weird or dramatic. I just want some practical, emotionally intelligent action items for carving out a little independence without breaking the bond. Ali. Hi, Ali. This is our special guest today, Josh Radner. Hi.

Nice to meet you. That's so sweet that your best friends with your brother. I love that. That's really nice. I understand that you're dealing with change. But you know what? Listen, this is not like everyone has problems with change. I mean, not everybody, but so many people have problems with change.

And have problems with making adjustments and actually, you know, having somebody else come in. Even if your best friend wasn't your brother, you would, it would. it would probably be hard for you for your best friend to have a relationship and being introduced to them. So give yourself a little bit of grace. And I would just, whatever you're into, just like exercise more of those activities. Like literally, like if you're into Pilates, make sure that you're allotting time for that. Make sure you're allotting time for your friends. You have friends. You have friends. I go to Pilates every day. Perfect. I do pottery. You integrated that, Chelsea. Amazing. And you have hobbies. You like pottery. It's more like

like I said, I like love his girlfriend. I think she's fantastic. I just realized like when he got into the relationship that my identity was like more closely tied. And like right now it's fantastic and amazing. Everybody's out here. There's like a lot going on. But in the off season, there's not a lot to do it. You know, it's like small town. You know everyone. It's very condensed. And like everyone's in each other's business. And do you feel like during those winter months when it is a co-witer that you are encroaching on their private life? Because I don't think your identity is tied to your brother unless you actively like your brother and sister, that's not going to change. Yeah. We're very much in like the same like social circle too. And I just like I felt like, oh my God,

like I don't need to be like third wheeling with his girlfriend all the time. Like it was just like, I just want to be like chill and cool and like I don't know. I don't know. It's like I don't know if there's like a correct answer or like even like a piece of advice. Can I offer something, Ali, perhaps? Like my wife has this theory that like if we're a solar system like and you're this sun, your brother was like Mercury, but he might have to be Venus. Like he might have to like go like one planet away.

You know? Okay. Where it's like you're still in relationship. You're still in the same. same solar system. And I think when people partner off, dynamics have to change because the primary relationship is like the relationship. Yeah. Totally. I love that analogy. Isn't that cool? I think there's like a really cool opportunity for you to like what Chelsea said, like lean into other stuff, grow other parts of yourself. Also grow other friendships and, you know, just follow the seeds. And then I think

your relationship with your brother will like take its new place in the solar system and it'll start to feel right, but you're just in the like adjustment change period, which is uncomfortable. Yeah, it's like a meteor, like around. Yeah, you're like in the liminal phase. That's what that is, right? Where you're kind of in between two things. But also just, you know, like in thinking about it, in thoughts, like towards your brother, towards his girlfriend, how long have they been together?

Like over a year. Okay. Just I would say like lead with your heart and lead with love. Like don't overthink things too much. Don't think, oh my God, am I spending too much time here? You can have those thoughts, but don't over-analyze your relationship because it is your brother. You do have a relationship. It sounds like you have a pretty healthy relationship with his girlfriend.

You know that you're going to try and grow these other parts, as Josh said very eloquently, grow these other parts of yourself, but also just lead with love. Like, don't punish anyone for these circumstances. And don't make it like, you know, oh, I'm not going to be available to them because I don't want them to think I'm too available. Like, I have my own life. Like, don't play games like that. Just lead with your heart.

heart and really try and be as present as possible when you're with both of them because like what Josh said, I want to echo like there is a new version of this coming around and it's in these in between stages that get so sticky I think for all of us when we don't know where what you know what we knew is not exactly right anymore and what's to come isn't exactly happening yet. So we kind of get stuck and it's actually a really nice phase for you to really get in touch with yourself and really be present in the relationship and show up like heart forward. love first and totally with no judgment towards yourself or them. Yeah.

Okay. To practice that. Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for calling in. I love that question. And I love Josh's answer. And I feel like, yeah, good, good, good luck with everything.

Thank you. And good luck with whatever you're promoting. Josh, can't wait to listen to the episode and here. He's got a new album out. He's got a new album out. You can download. Yes. Oh, fun.

Yes. I'll go on Spotify right now or download on iTunes. Yes. It's called eulogy. Ulogy Volume 2 by Josh Radner. You could download it anywhere. Yeah. Okay.

Amazing. Well, thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Allie. Hi. Your new album is going to get her into her Venus dynamic with her brother. She's going to end up sleeping with her brother watch. What this podcast leads to.

Uh-oh. Well, our last question today comes from Stephanie. And she is 48. She says, Dear Chelsea, I recently started working for a small-ish local business. My friend connected me with the owner, and we instantly had a connection even before we met in person. Once we met in person, it was even more intoxicating. Nothing inappropriate has happened, but over the last five months, I have just crushed so hard. It goes in waves where he, I think, flirts with me and then stops.

We really get along and just mesh. I think constantly that I just want to make out with him. It's to the point where we're passing friendly, work-appropriate touches. We text each other randomly, almost just to let the other know, the other, one know we're thinking about each other without actually saying it. I've never in my life been this drawn to someone so magnetically. He even gave me a plant. If that wasn't a sign, I don't know what is. I mean, a love fern. Who does that? I don't want to get fired. I don't think he would, but I also don't want to quit because I love my job. How can I just make out with him? Just do it already.

What hello? Hi, Stephanie. This is our special guest today, Josh Radner. Say hello to him. Hi. Hi. Hi, Josh. Hi. Look, you look like you're like having an affair. fair sitting there. Like you act like you're doing something terribly wrong. What kind of work do you do that this is so? I mean, honestly, I feel like work romances are just, you know, unless there's some huge power dynamic, there's really nothing wrong with them. So I am an operations director for a small-ish company, but I work very closely with the own.

And can I ask, though, the owner, he's not married. He's single, yeah? He is single. he's divorced. Okay, so he's still single. Yes. Okay. So I think you need to make your move, sister.

Like five months. What are you doing? He can't make the move, right? He can't make the move. Right. So you're going to have to let him know how you feel and also give him an exit in case he doesn't have the same feelings. But you got to do it. You're a woman.

You have to be brave and be a woman. What if this is the love of your life? I know. And honestly, so I had to hold Catherine that I am divorced. I've been divorced for eight years, and never during this eight years have I found interest in not one person. And so my friends are just like, oh, my God. Like, of all people, of course, you're like in love with your boss. Like, why is this happening?

But I'm just not brave. And I guess I need, like, more reassurance. I'm worried that our dynamic will change if for some reason it didn't work out. or I also don't want to be rejected. I don't know. You've got to get rid of the rejection part. That's part of life. And if you don't want to be rejected,

then you almost don't deserve to be in love. Because you have to experience rejection. That's just the way it goes. You can't be afraid of it. It doesn't make you less of a woman. It doesn't make you less of a person. It doesn't make you less valuable. It just means that that person and you aren't a perfect match.

That's okay. You're not going to be a perfect match with most people that you meet. Yeah. No, that's true. Can you do something cute, like slip him an email? or slip a little note on his desk, ask him to meet for a drink. Like, is there something that you feel more comfortable doing in order to just get the message across? Like, hey, do you want to meet for a drink later tonight?

I think there, you'll get an answer to that real quick. That'll give you an indication. Also, so he stopped drinking. And so that was one thing that we would go do. We would go out for drinks. Or, like, one time I was telling him how I love a martini, but I wanted to try the, the specific martini. Well, then all of a sudden he brought all this stuff to make that.

But like now he's not drinking, which is fine. But that kind of just changes the dynamic a little bit. And so that makes it harder because I'm always like, let's just have a drink. But then also I'm like, okay, you're on your sober journey. So can I ask Josh here? So you've been on a sober journey for a long time. Like what's the dynamic of like asking somebody to go for a drink? Can you go somewhere that has five moktails to choose from?

Yeah, I just get a bitters and stuff. soda or a club soda. Like, I like being in bars. I don't mind being in bars at all, you know. I think, like, in terms of being bold, something like, hey, I really like our dynamic. I really like the notes and the, you know, whatever you guys are doing and say, I don't want that to change. I was just wondering, like, if we could maybe work in, like, a little bit of making out and just see what that's like. That's all I want to do. I just want to make out with him. Yeah. And then we'll go from there. Just like, let me just make out with you one time and then maybe he hates it, maybe I hate it, and then problem solved. Right. But I think also

there's a trick in creative writing where they're like, I don't know how to start this story. And they're like, well, tell me the story. And then you tell them the story and you're like, that's it. That's how you tell the story. Like, that's how you write the story. So everything you said in the letter is like, I really like this guy, really like our dynamic. I just would really like to make out with him, but I don't know how to broach it. I think that's what you say. I love it. Yeah, because all my guy friends are like, He's giving you so much and you're not responding to like the thing. Like if he says something to me, like today, he was like, I'm wearing my favorite jeans that they're vintage Levi's that I loved finding.

And he's like, I like your, I like your jeans. And I'm just like, it's like, it's clear he's flirting with me. But I'm like, oh, thank you. Like, I don't, I'm just. But just, you just need to go for it. Go for it. What's the worst thing that could happen? He could say he's not interested.

It sounds like he is interested. And it sounds like he's not in a position to make a move on you because he is the owner of the business. So think about those two things. And send him a cute note. Send him what Josh said. Send him something like, I know you stop drinking. Any chance you want to come and watch me have a drink? So you could say anything cute that's going to be that even if it gets rejected, which is also a step towards getting closer to your goals, I believe.

Even if this guy rejects you, I know you haven't been attracted to anyone. in eight years, you will be again. You will be. Hopefully this is the guy. But in case it, you know, like you have to be, you're stronger than that. That's silly. You know what I mean?

Like rejection is whatever. And there's a lot of flirting going on. So there's like proof in the pudding. And you need to capitalize on this moment. Because what if someone else comes along and is willing to capitalize on the moment? Like you got to jump in there. But also like rejection is good information

because you can move on with your life. Like it's good to know. And also it's win-win, the rejection. I think what Chelsea's saying is right. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to need you to do something and report back to us, okay? I will, for sure.

Okay. We're going to give you one week, and then you have to call Catherine and let her know what happens. No, I'm serious. Living for Germany tomorrow, so he'll be gone for 12 days. Perfect. Then today seems like a perfect time to do that. Actually, today does sound like a good day because that would be great for him. He did ask me, how late can you stay at work?

and I was like all night. Stephanie, he likes you. Yes, Stephanie. Wake up and smell the cappuccino. Go be balzy. It's very exciting that he's leaving for Germany. You could leave him with a nice makeout session right before he goes to Germany

and he's going to be thinking about you the whole time. Ding, ding, ding. This is your moment. Okay. You got this. Okay. We believe in you. All right, go, Stephanie, go.

Go, Stephanie, go. All right. Bye. Thanks, so much. Bye. Okay, we're going to take a break and we're going to come back and wrap up with Josh Radner.

In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately,

the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people.

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And I'm Joel. We are from the How to Money podcast. And every week, we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen. Listen to How to Money on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Navring, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here.

But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. Oh, it's a route. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford.

Where did his vote Knicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan. But Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to broken play with him. with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. And we're back with Josh Radner, who has a new album called Ulogy Volume 2.

Where can you download it, Josh? Anywhere you can download any music, I think. It's like a podcast, guys. You can download it anywhere you get your music. He also has a podcast. He's the host of the podcast, How We Made Your Mother. And he's as charming as possible. So now I know why we made out and didn't have sex, Josh,

actually because you are charming. And yeah, and you, that was the right move. I don't think if we had sex, I'd be on your podcast 20 years later. I think I was, you'd be surprised. I was seeing, oh, really? Yeah, you would be. I feel like we've had somebody that I didn't clock that I had sex with on. And then after I was like, wait a second.

But anyway, Josh, thank you so much for being here today. It was great to be with you guys. Yeah, always nice to see you and thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely. Have a great day. Okay, bye-bye. Thanks. Okay, guys, the high and mighty tour is about to begin.

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