Dear Chelsea - Minisode: Beat It! with Yamaneika Saunders
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We have our special guest. Her name is Yamanika. I don't know if you've been exposed to her yet
through this podcast or through our shows
or through her Instagram.
Exposed to me is a great, yeah.
Exposure is how I would frame it.
That's going to be my thank you.
The only reason why I'm here is for exposure.
Catherine, what do we have on the docket for today?
Well, we have an update from a previous caller.
This is Savannah.
She had called in on our Kevin Hart episode.
She is not a person doing OnlyFans,
but her dad thought she was doing OnlyFans
because his mom was spreading rumors about her.
Exactly.
The stepmom was going around the family
telling everybody that this girl was on OnlyFans.
Why? I don't know.
She had made some offhand comment about like,
I wonder how much they make or how do they do their taxes?
And like she started telling everybody she was doing OnlyFans.
Oh, wow.
Yeah. So the advice was to like hit it head on,
have a conversation with her.
And so she's like kind of not talking to her stepmom
because she's mad at her.
So I asked for an update.
She says, I have my tail between my legs
because we've continued to just ignore each other.
She lives three hours away
and we don't have to talk much anymore.
I'm getting nervous as her daughter, my step-sister, is getting married this year
and I want to tackle it by then, August.
I just have fear over how she'll receive what I want to say.
She will shut down and get defensive and say things like,
well, I guess I'm just the worst person ever.
I don't want to pull my dad into this anymore
and I think I just need to call her when I'm feeling brave.
I guess I just haven't been feeling brave and she hasn't tried anything either.
The advice you and Chelsea gave was wonderful and I've listened back to it to make sure
it lives in my head when the time for the conversation comes.
I just don't know when that would be.
Signed a nervous and disappointed non-sex worker stepdaughter, Savannah.
No baby, baby.
I know I wasn't here for the first one.
Who gives a crap what to step?
Why are you talking to your stepmother?
Beat it.
You told everybody in the family
I was on OnlyFans, bitch, beat it.
I don't understand why she gotta have a conversation.
And guess what?
I'ma be at my stepsister's wedding.
My dad gonna be there, I'ma be there.
Unless the stepsister tell you to beat it
and then you know where the stepsister lie.
I don't understand this nonsense of,
I gotta tackle this conversation with a woman
that you already know is gonna be defensive
and is passive aggressive and playing the victim.
Beat it, lady.
So that's me updating you, giving you updated advice.
That's better advice than I gave
the first time around, quite frankly.
I mean, yeah, fuck her.
I think the girl was upset because her dad
actually was believing the mother.
But also, exactly, fuck off if you're spreading rumors
about me like that, that aren't true.
If there's no basis of fact, then no.
Fuck off, it's right.
Fuck off, fuck her.
So new advice, Savannah, just fuck her.
Yeah.
So we do have a caller today.
Ashley writes in, her subject line is,
politics are destroying my book club.
Dear Chelsea, I'm part of a six woman book club
that consists of the following demographic politically.
One MAGA, three liberal Dems, one moderate Dem,
think Bill Maher Dem, this is me, and one extremely woke progressive. We live in Seattle, however, three liberal Dems, one moderate Dem, think Bill Maher Dem, this is me, and
one extremely woke progressive.
We live in Seattle, however, all the Dems are transplants from California and the MAGA
fan is a transplant from Idaho.
I was homesick during our last gathering in early February when a notable fight erupted
over the current Trump administration's work since taking office.
It resulted in the MAGA individual leaving the gathering in tears and one remaining progressive
and three liberals agreeing to kick her out of the book club.
When we planned our next meetup, I inquired about talking to MAGA and moving the group
forward without her.
I received backlash from the progressives that she was not worthy of feedback given
her values.
I disagree with this.
Kicking someone out of a club they've been in for six years with no feedback, then continuing
to post about it on social media is a textbook
form of high school bullying.
We're 37, grow the fuck up.
And yes, we've already tried, agreed to disagree and don't talk politics in our
book club. However, it's difficult to avoid these topics in 2025.
I do not believe in cancel culture, nor do I believe in ghosting.
And while I've spent my entire life residing in coastal elite quote-unquote areas, I have a handful of
family members who voted for Trump that I would never dream of cutting out of my
life. I feel strongly that further segregation of our two communities is
compounding the current issues we're facing in America. Finally, this has raised
some questions for me about my liberal friends who are more than happy to
continue life in their own political bubble and dump someone just because
they don't share their beliefs. As it stands, I'm wondering if I should excuse myself
from the group altogether.
Ashley.
Sounds like a Supreme Court situation here.
I mean, the liberal is progressive.
This is a hard day, moderate and then a MAGA.
Okay, cop it.
Hi, hi, how are you?
Hey Chelsea, I'm well, how are you?
So, I don't know.
I mean, what do you think?
I feel like there's-
Do you want me to go first?
I think we're gonna- Okay, yeah, you go first's... Do you want me to go first? I think we're gonna...
Okay, yeah. You go first.
You go first.
I mean, I'm in a book club, so we try, you know, this book club is really centered...
Any of the book clubs I've ever been in have been centered around people that are sort of like-minded in ways, right?
There's something that's threading us together.
And I feel like when we've had dissension in the club, it's probably somebody got to
say, you know, people didn't like somebody or whatever it was.
So I've seen people come and go and book clubs and you just go into another damn book club.
I think it's unfortunate that it did get political.
I think the issue probably right now is I understand like you have people in your family
that you would never turn away from even though they voted for Donald Trump. And I think you have the capacity to do that.
Right now for me, if I'm honest in this time being a woman and being a black woman,
I think it's a matter of life or death for me. When I start to see people that are saying certain
things about certain values and people being less than human or having to go back to places that
they never even were from.
It becomes life or death.
So then I do look at people during this time
very differently than maybe I did when we all,
I didn't agree that George Bush Jr. was president.
Like there was no way I would have ever gotten rid
of somebody because they voted for him.
But we're talking for me right now,
the president we have is very dangerous to people like me.
And so it's like a matter of life or death.
And I can see how people are getting crunchy in that time.
And I think maybe if this is going to cause you a tear,
you may have to just go to another place.
You know what I'm saying?
Because when one of the things about the book clubs
are like we respect each other's opinions,
even about their interpretation of books,
interpretations of words and what the authors are saying
or what the point of the story is.
And if you can't really have respect for somebody
on the basis of something about their point of view,
politically, I think it's gonna be hard for you
to respect them in anything
that they have to say about literature.
I think that's a really interesting perspective, just about the point of the book club obviously
is to respect each other's opinions because you're going to have different opinions about
how you interpret things that you read, et cetera. I think what was really interesting
for me is this all came up. So your book, I think Chelsea came out in February. So I
was traveling and reading your book around the time that this
happened. And obviously, I'm thinking of certain chapters in your book that come to mind because
there's a theme of sisterhood, right in your book about being able to have tough conversations
respectfully. I'm thinking of the Jane Fonda chapter, right, your friend who partied a little
too hard who ended up pursuing their sobriety, right? How and and so to me I think the bigger issue is are we now at a place in life,
like if these are your, my friends, are we now at a place in life where if we have a disagreement
with someone we don't give them the basic decency and respect of having a tough conversation and
explaining why you want a relationship to end or why you don't agree about something? I think that's
more what I'm struggling with.
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In terms of the underlying values, does that make sense?
Yeah, that does make sense.
And it's like, it seems like it's just really up to you.
You know what I mean?
It's really a personal decision.
Like, do you want, I mean, you can always reach out to this woman and give it to her
straight as a sister,
you know, in the name of sisterhood,
like, take it upon yourself to be like, listen,
I mean, what is your understanding
of the whole situation? What is she,
what is your understanding of her understanding?
Well, I think she lives in her own media bubble, right?
So she consumes what she wants to consume.
And so, she ironically is the one,
so book club existed before COVID, right? So started in 2018 ish, right? And
obviously, Trump was confident then and so we were we have kind
of agreed to disagree and we don't talk politics at book club
rule. And we, you know, we're not reading like, seriously
political books and book club, right? These are like, check
chief fun, uplifting, let's drink wine bucks. So we pause
hiatus in 2020 got back together, you know, peak COVID and we just continued
from there.
I mean, Trump was out of office, so it didn't really come up.
But since he has been back in office and obviously with the election last year, she's often
the one who brings up politics knowing that she's the only Trump supporter in the group.
So that's where it's also been agitating.
She comes from a place of, I want to learn.
I want to hear your opinion.
I want to understand your viewpoints, which I think
we all welcome.
Having conversations, even if they might be uncomfortable
and respectfully.
But it comes from kind of the Fox News lens of anytime we engage in the conversation,
it's like, well, what about when Hillary did it, right?
She just follows that like media playbook.
And so the conversations end up being not productive.
Yeah, I think that's the bottom line.
Is it productive?
Like, it's nice to be able to extend your tolerance to someone who has
a different viewpoint if you can have productive conversations. And I don't mean just by getting
them to understand what you believe. I mean, actually having productive thought provoking
conversations and being open to new ideas and new information on both sides. So I mean,
if she is bringing up politics, it's kind of like she...
That's the reason she's not in the group.
You know what I mean? You're not there to talk about politics.
You just said that, and you guys all understand that.
And especially her being, like, the only MAGA person,
of course she's gonna feel outnumbered
and want to, like, you know, what a dog does
to, like, mark their territory,
to almost just establish some sort of, like,
you're not gonna roll me over or roll over,
you know, like she's probably trying to establish
some sort of dominance or just a placeholder
at the very minimum.
But it's just, it's a matter of,
what does she think that happened?
Does she know what it is that she got nixed from the group?
Well, yeah, so interestingly,
so I was traveling in Miss Last book club, but I guess she announced
to the group that she's just going to move to Texas because living in Seattle is pointless
and she can't date anyone here because none of they're too liberal and too woke.
So it's just like, okay, that's the solution.
Just move to a red state and
But that's her though.
Like you can't blame your other book club friends who are the liberals and progressives.
You can't blame them for her.
From what you're telling me, she is an agitator.
Not just because she's a Republican or a MAGA or whatever.
She keeps bringing it up.
She knows that's not the forum for that kind of conversation.
And I want you to see where you keep aligning yourself with her, which I think is the biggest problem.
Stop aligning yourself with her.
You keep having this pity for her for whatever reason, right?
And it's like, she doesn't deserve any pity
in where she comes into a situation
and she's trying to antagonize it and agitate it.
And most certainly, if there's a constant conversation
about what she feels,
you know, with this current presidency
and all of this stuff and nobody's bringing that up,
maybe she should go somewhere where people are willing
to engage her in that conversation.
Yeah, I think what you're saying is like,
you have a set of principles and that's great.
You can still engage with people who are Trump supporters
and you can still talk to your family members,
but this instance, But this instance, this woman has kind of caused her removal from the book club, it
sounds like.
So, while you have your principles, you can still hold on to those and remain in your
book club.
She just kind of worked outside the lines.
That doesn't change that you're open to talking to people who have different political beliefs.
And it sounds like she's still in the club.
Is she?
Because how is she making all these announcements if she out the club?
Yeah, she's engaged with us still.
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Okay, yeah.
Y'all got to really show her the door.
She just sounds like a pain in the ass, regardless of her political alignment.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and you seem fun and cool and upbeat, and I know you seem like you got sympathy
for this lady, but shake her off.
Yeah, and focus on other Trump-like supporters
that are more, you know, that you can have conversations
with that don't surround politics.
You know, I totally am with you,
that it would be nice to be having in conversation
with people who are from different political beliefs.
But unfortunately, I feel like Yamanika feels.
Like, I feel like it is a deal breaker.
Chelsea, so you mentioned recently on your social media
that you have some family, I
believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but who don't share your political beliefs as well
and may be supporters of Trump, if I recall.
They're not Trump supporters, but they are conservative.
I don't know that they voted for Trump.
Nobody has admitted to voting for Trump.
Nobody would admit that to me and my family.
But there are supporters of more conservative politics and, you know, arguments about affirmative
action, arguments about Russia, Ukraine, who's really at fault there, things that I find
intolerable and propaganda.
You know, and I don't, and so I draw the line at like, if you're spewing conspiracy theories,
I'm not interested in being around that.
And that's for me a personal thing that I've just, you know, I don't want that.
I don't want that toxicity around me.
I want to talk about things that are actually happening.
So I have a different set of values,
but I like your principle.
I think I totally support that for you.
But I think this woman is just kind of outside of that.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And I think this is validating.
I think the reason I loved your most recent book as well, Chelsea, is because I kind
of followed a same trajectory in my life where 10 years ago I would have told someone to
fuck off and never spoken to them again if they even irritated me a little bit, right?
And I've spent some years in therapy after COVID lockdowns and whatnot.
And I'm now working to be a better person in terms of tough conversations
and whatnot. And almost feel sometimes I air a little bit too far on the other side, right?
I've gone from one pendulum to the other of giving people passes on things or feeling
like, well, how am I playing a part in this if someone is being an antagonist? So it's
nice to hear this perspective and get a little clarity on this. So thank you.
Yeah. And if you want to like, if you want to show in a strength of sisterhood or a demonstration of sisterhood, like if you want to shoot her an email and go, listen, I'm sorry that this didn't
work out with the book club, but I just want you to know, like you kept bringing up politics in a
place that is not supposed to be, it's supposed to be politically free. Like if you want to extend
that to her, you can, but I wouldn't feel terrible about her not being in the book
club anymore.
Like I would let that go.
It's not our job to like, you know, it's not everything.
It's like, I think the great thing about getting older is understanding when and where to have
those lines.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And she might have tapped out on her reading source.
I mean, if she voted for Trump, how many books can she really hustle down?
Trump supporters read too.
Okay, well yeah, see spot run.
That's four words.
But they won't be reading for long though,
because there'll be no books left to read.
So there's that, there's that reassurance to the other girls.
You can tell the progressives that.
But anyway, yeah, I appreciate your call
and I appreciate what you're saying.
And I understand, but I think you should let this one go
and like focus on that principle that you have
in a more constructive, in other areas of your life
where it will be met with the same thing.
Yeah, no, I appreciate it.
Thank you, Chelsea.
Catherine, good to see you again.
And your book is next in our book club.
Oh, great, great.
Well, she should fucking read that.
You know, bring her back for that.
Yeah, that's her day new mom. That's her day new mom.
That's her day new mom, her last book.
We'll zoom in from Texas when we do that.
Take care.
Bye, my love.
Bye.
One of the funniest things about the mega contingent for me
is like, like this woman, they won,
and they're still fucking crying about it.
Like, they're still feeling like a victim.
I don't get it.
I mean, the fact that anybody,
for me it's been almost mum's the word,
but maybe like Chelsea said,
ain't nobody gonna say nothing to me about voting for Trump,
but I like, people are scared to say anything.
I haven't heard anybody speak in Spanish in at least what?
Since January, people scared to speak in Spanish.
I'm telling you, they don't know
what's gonna fucking happen.
They're sending people to El Salvador that's from Maryland and shit.
I'm from Maryland.
Next thing you know, I'll be in El Salvador.
I mean, it's a rough time, you know what I mean?
And so she's fortunate, this woman is fortunate that she has the luxury to concern herself
with the feelings of a Trump supporter.
I don't have that.
And this time, what it means to be MAGA
is it means to be supporting white supremacy,
you know, stopping a lot of stuff.
It's very bad times for people,
especially people of color.
And I can't be playing around with anybody
that's over there supporting that
because that means you have no regard for my life
or whatever I got going on.
You wanna do nothing but take from me.
I can't be around that.
You're dangerous to me.
You're a predator.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I mean, I'm with, I'm kind of like,
I don't have time for it.
I'm not talking, I just don't have time for that.
It's too ugly out right now.
It's too ugly.
And people are being like,
what's happening is unforgivable.
It's disgusting.
So no, I'm not interested in hearing,
especially MAGA, you know, like that.
That's like another level of fuck off.
You're right though, who's feeling this shit?
Let's wrap it up.
That was a long mini-sode.
It sure was.
I feel like longer than a shower.
Okay.
Don't say that.
That means you didn't enjoy me.
I always enjoy you.
Of course I do.
I just hate thinking about all of this stuff all the time.
I know you do.
Then why do you do it so well, though?
You give good advice.
I just, you know, I just, the MAGA thing really upsets me.
Like, it fucking brings me down.
Like, that people are so fucking far removed, you know?
Like, the idea that somebody's too liberal.
And the idea that, like, being open-minded and aware of,
like, the future is a bad thing. Saying yes to the future is a bad thing.
Saying yes to trans people is a bad thing.
Like history has shown us over and over again.
Especially there's this contingency of gay people
who are not pro-trans.
And it's like, I find that-
You got gay people who are racist.
Listen, what I keep telling you is this, Chelsea.
It's like this, right? This is this, Chelsea. It's like this,
right? This is a prime example. It's not you. You want to do certain things. You want the
dial to move. But I keep telling you, we got to have these conversations because there's
a lot of dumb motherfuckers out here that don't get it. And more importantly, the worst part
is some of them get that what they're doing is racist or homophobic or all of this shit,
and they just don't care because it's not them.
Do you understand?
People are very selfish, and that's why the conversations have to keep being had.
And yeah, where's you out?
I get it.
You get tired.
Hey, I'm doing my part.
I'm not over here being a racist asshole.
But imagine that you got to live as a person that has to navigate around people with mental
disorders of being racist. That's live as a person that has to navigate around people with mental disorders of race being racist
That's uncomfortable. That is a mental disorder. That's a great great way to frame it
Yeah, racism is a mental disorder if you really believe
Wait, stop laughing. It's true. It's fucking mental disorder. If you really believe someone who has a different skin color is
less valuable, that is a mental disorder. That's what I'm saying, it's a mental disorder.
And we gotta navigate.
Okay, we gotta go.
She's starting to yell, goodbye, bye, bye, bye.
So I added a couple of new dates.
I'm not on tour yet, but I added a couple of dates
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and a little bit more medicine for the end of the year.
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and this time I'm telling you the story of Kelly Harnett.
Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit.
As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law.
He goes, oh God, Harnett, jailhouse lawyer.
And became a beacon of hope for the women locked up alongside her.
You're supposed to have faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.
I think I was put here to save souls by getting people out of prison.
The Girlfriends, Jailhouse Lawyer. Listen on the iHeart Radio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that meant.
For My Heart Podcasts and Rococo Punch, this is The Turning, River Road.
In the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a
secret life of abuse.
But in 2014, the youngest escaped.
Listen to The Turning, River Road on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Ian Pfaff, the creator and host of the Uncle Chris podcast.
My Uncle Chris was a real character, a garbage truck driver from South Carolina who is now buried in Panama City alongside the founding families of Panama.
He also happens to be responsible for the craziest night of my life. Wild stories about adventure, romance, crime,
history, and war intertwine as I share the tall tales
and hard truths that have helped me understand Uncle Chris.
Listen now to Uncle Chris on Will Ferrell's
Big Money Players Network on the iHeart Radio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
This is an iHeart Podcast.