Dear Chelsea - Outsmarting Kangaroos with Eric Bana

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Eric Bana is here in America to talk about fighting a kangaroo, his love of fast cars and motorcycles, and why his kids still speak to him.  Then: A put-together woman struggles with the decision to leave her lackadaisical husband.  And a bisexual man finds out he may be a dad – after a fling 8 years ago.   * Want to help James with medical bills? Click here to donate!  * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm wearing my glasses, my dark glasses, like Stevie Wonder in the daylight, because they're my prescription glasses. I was going to say, they must be prescription. And I can't, I've lost four pairs of glasses in the last three. And I have this new favorite glasses, these look glasses. They're like my, they're transitional, are they called? Okay. I was calling them transgender for a while.

They don't make you look like a serial killer, do they? Like, they're not orange like they used to are they called? I was calling them transgender for a while. And I was like- They don't make you look like a serial killer, do they? They're not orange like they used to be, right? No, that guy from, you mean the guy from SVU, that guy who wears them, what's his name, that actor? Everyone who wears the transition looks like a serial killer. No, I had them, they were kind of green, they turned green.

Yes, yes, yes, not that. No, I got rid of those, I got rid of those. And now I have, it's this brand called Look, and they sent them, even Mendez was doing a line with them, so she sent me a bunch or they sent me a bunch and I was like, oh, I love these. I think I'm gonna do something with them because they're nice and big and they don't touch my face,

which is what I want with glasses because otherwise I have lines and indentations. Anyway, I've lost three pair in the last two days. So my team is running around like crazy just trying to resupplement me, supplement, supplify, supplicate. Listen, the last few weeks I am not playing with a full deck of cards. After my foot surgery, I don't know if I announced I got foot surgery, but I think it's whatever. I mean, I pretty much announced everything. I have not been

taking my mental, my brain plasmonurogens and my plasmolygens and all my CoQ10 because of the surgery. So I'm a dumb dipshit. It is really true. CoQ10 like helps with the brain fog. Brain fog. But I take all of these supplements for brain fog and now I know they fucking work. I don't know which one it is that works,

but I am like, I try to say things and I'm like, wait, who, where, what? I can't think of the words I'm trying to use. And also I'm taking Norco because of the pain from my foot and also because I love pills and I only get 10 and so I've spaced them out in a nice way. Yeah, so it's been a little bit of a party for me. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, that's understandable. Just wanna mention I'm still not in my house, everybody. Still haven't moved into my house. Oh my gosh. Supposed to come back from my European trip to move into my house, but no, no. You know, we were talking about this recently and like, I just want to put it in perspective for the listeners.

Like you bought this house when the show was like 23 or 4 months old. I bought this house. It's 2025. As long as people have been listening to the show, you have owned this house and been working on it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's exciting. Is there any like update on it?

Do they have an ETA? Yes, it's in the final stages. And at least now it is guaranteed work. So there's a warranty on all of the work. So now that they came in and fixed everything that my prior contractor fucked up, there is a warranty on the work. And so that it will be professionally done. And then I am hoping to either offload or rent this house out.

I don't want anything to do with it. I think, yeah, the juju there is not for you. It's ruined. It's clashing. Yeah. I had someone come in and cleanse the house. That did not work. Oh, no, no, before.

Before. That clearly didn't take. The only thing is Doug loves that house. So maybe I'll let people rent the house and also be with Doug. He can just be part of the rental. Yeah. He comes with the rental. With a couple of other people too, actually. Well, that sounds great. Today, we have an awesome guest.

My boyfriend is here today, you guys. This is my long-term boyfriend. I've had a crush on him for years. He's definitely in my top, probably top five, of actor men that I've ever had a crush on. Because the other ones are too old to fuck. All of the guys I like, like Robert De Niro, he's past. Harrison Ford, too old. Like they're vulnerable.

I don't know, Harrison Ford. I mean, Harrison Ford is still hot. He's got a six pack. So I appreciate that kind of respect. You know what I mean? I appreciate when men show us the respect that we show them. Yeah, he's keeping it tight. Women are so taking care of their shit

in ways that men don't. And then they hit a certain age, they fucking let it rip. And it's disgusting. Not Harrison. Yeah, no. I was on a beach in Portugal with my friend from my friend's 50th. And they all went in the ocean. And there's like five men coming out of the ocean and five women.

And I'm like, everybody stop right there. I go, men, I want you to take a look at these women. And then I want you to take a look at your bodies. What are you thinking? Why do you get to look like that? And then women are keeping their shit together. It's very King of Queens. Yes, it's very King of Queens.

It reminds me, I need to reach out to Leah Remini. I haven't spoken to her in a few months. She's one of my buddies. Should we get her on the show? Absolutely, she would love to do the show. Awesome. She's studying, she's getting a law degree. Really?

Yeah, she's fucking amazing. That's awesome. She's getting a law degree, yeah. That's amazing. And yeah, so, okay, oh, my boyfriend. My boyfriend, see, I already forgot what I was talking about. Okay, so my boyfriend is Eric Bana, guys. You know, I love him, and he's here today

because he's on a new show. He's on a new show, he's in a new show, he's inside me. It's called Untamed, and it's on Netflix. So please welcome my baby, my baby mama. Eric Bana. Eric Bana. Welcome to America, Eric Bana. Welcome to America.

Thanks, Chelsea. This is my official welcome. This is your first. I'm surprised you're here, actually, in person. This is what I expect at customs, you know? Like when I'm getting my passport stamped. Things have changed. This would be much better.

Yeah, things have changed a lot since your last trip over here. Because I know you do come when you have to do press to America. I know your wife doesn't like to travel. Rebecca doesn't like to travel. But you come. She came on this trip, actually. Oh, she did? I coaxed her in.

Yeah, yeah. Are you trying to make me jealous? No, I'm just pointing out that I managed to, you know, get her on a plane. But no, I don't come here too often. I haven't been here for quite some time. But anyway, it's lovely to see you. It's always lovely to see you. You know who I was with last night?

No, I don't. Connie Britton. No way. Who Eric starred with in Dirty John. Dirty John was one of your favorites. We've actually spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about Dirty John. I don't know if we had you on to talk about Dirty John. No. Connie's a very close friend of mine.

Right. And we had, um, we were at a friend's house last night. And I just think that whole story, you know, Dirty John was just... I know Connie was acting, but she kind of is dingy like that in real life. So I always like to remind her that I found that... You said it wasn't a stretch. I just was like, how could anyone be that stupid to believe this guy? And I didn't like you playing that role either, because you know that I have strong feelings

about your acting, your performing. You know that I've always had a crush on you. I mean, we've passed the point of it being an issue because we've known each other for so many years. So it's not an issue. You know, I've met your wife. I understand. You know, so it's not a problem.

But I didn't like seeing you play that kind of character. No, fair enough. And I had a lot of people who had a visceral physical reaction to me after that. Do they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like people would cross the street and even people in my suburb, you know, coffee shops and stuff, they'd just kind of recoil for a couple of months, which I took as a good sign.

Actually, you know what? I should play more of those sort of characters. I want people to recoil when they see me and run. Yeah, well that's better than being bombarded all the time. I would imagine you would want to break from people at some point. I mean, I feel like, yeah, that was a really repellent character.

But, I mean, you've played other repellent characters. Yeah, I love repellent characters. Yeah, you like that. I love to be repellent. I Yeah, I love repellent characters. Yeah, you like that. I love to be repellent. I mean the new show that you're on is Untamed. It's on Netflix, it's already started streaming. And that I like because you were on a horse immediately at the gate, you were on a horse and you were a park ranger

and you know some sort of detective. That's where I like. Non-repellent. That's the vibe I like to see you in and embody. That's when I feel the safest with you is when you're in this kind of role. You're solving a crime, you know what I mean? You're people, you're like the tough guy.

Supposedly trustworthy. Supposedly. Well, let's see. Yeah, I mean, you're Australian, so not in this movie though. I mean, in this show, you're not Australian. You play an American and the accent is very good. Well, for this stage, if I can't, I'm in trouble, right?

Why do you think it is, Eric, that so many Australians can do such great American accents, but Americans can't really ever do Australian accents? You know why? Because you don't try. Really? Yeah. When was the last time you tried to do an Australian accent?

I can say, no, no. I know how to say that. No, honestly, I would really love to see more Americans forced to do an Australian accent. I know how to say that. No, honestly, I would really love to see more Americans forced to do an Australian accent. I know. Well, then they would be eliminated from the acting industry because it would be brutal. It would be brutal. It's like a tax we have to pay, you know, to work internationally. We're either playing Brits or we're playing Americans.

We don't have a choice. You don't see Australian people in international film, right? We just don't exist. We don't exist as a species. There shall be no Australians appearing as Australian in any film or TV show. But do you guys think you deserve that? Yes, we do.

We've worked for it. We've worked. I don't know. I mean, it's a very young country. You know what I mean? You guys are a younger country than America. And people with criminals, of course. Literally with criminals.

No, it's a fair point. I'll go back into Michelle. I know a lot about you. I know that you love race car driving. Yes, literally with criminals. That's right. No, it's a fair point. I'll go back into my shell. I know a lot about you. I know that you love race car driving. You're really into that. I saw a film once that you did about it. And I know you're a big family man.

I didn't know that you were attacked by kangaroos. Attacked by kangaroos? Were you in a kangaroo fight? I was picked on by a kangaroo once when I was camping by myself. Yeah, that's true. That's true. It was just one guy. He was, I think, the leader of the pack of the valley.

I picked the wrong spot to pitch a tent. And he shaped up to me. He did. Yeah. Yeah. What is the process of what do you, how do you handle, how does one handle an infraction with a kangaroo? Well, I'm glad you asked because I didn't know either.

I wanted to Google what the hell do I do? This guy wants a fight. I had no cell phone coverage. Right, of course not. You're in the outback. I'm in the outback. And so I thought I'll scare him off with my motorcycle. And I walked behind the motorcycle,

I put the bike between me and him, and I started it up. I'm like, this 1200cc beast is just gonna go running. And he didn't move, he didn't flinch. And he actually had a facial expression like, really? Really? You think that's going to... And then he just kept hopping around trying to square off at me. I since learnt that I should have perhaps not made so much eye contact and sort of gone into his space. I should have retreated. But I had the worst night's sleep. I was in a single man tent and I was just picturing like Kujo, you know, like this thing's just gonna come in

and just rip me to pieces, but I survived. Well, you're a survivor. It's funny though, because you don't think of kangaroos as a very aggressive type of animal, but they are kind of aggressive. They can be, they can be. Look, my fault. Was the kangaroo, were you drinking with a kangaroo?

Because I know a woman who had a cocktail with a monkey and then the monkey attacked her. No, I was not drinking. I was... But as I said, like, I would have attacked him if he was in my... If he appeared in my bedroom as well. I was in his backyard. I was sleeping under his tree.

I didn't know. I should have done my homework. What other close calls have you been involved in? Have you ever had a shark incident? No. No. Have you ever seen a shark? Oh yeah, I've seen plenty of sharks. There's a place we used to go to called Lord Howe Island, which has loads of sharks out past the reef, but not where you swim. I think they're pretty safe. I love them. Yeah, well all Australians say that. They say they're not here to eat us. They're not. But they are eating people. So like, I know they're just trying to take a bite and then they decide,

oh, I don't like that. But whoopsie doodle. Then the person's leg is missing. Yeah, I think the sharks that do that are a little bit off, if you know what I'm saying. Oh, like, OK, a little bit. I hear you. Copy that. Copy that. They've been, you know, discarded from the pack, perhaps.

What about poise? Well, I don't think they travel in packs. But anyway, you've been to Australia. Don't make it sound like this unwelcoming violence. I love Australia. First of all, you don't have to tell me about Australia. I know you're from Melbourne, but I prefer Sydney. Sydney is, I just was there last year.

I did a tour there again. I reached out to you, of course, to invite you to my show, as usual, and you didn't show up. Well, I was in Canada making the show. We're here to talk about it. So I wouldn't be here now if I wasn't unavailable to you back there. Obviously, we need you on Untamed.

That was a priority. What about a deadly snake? Have you ever come into contact with a deadly snake? Because I fucking hate snakes. Yes, unfortunately, yes. I like to play golf and I see them quite a lot. We get Browns and all sorts of stuff. The Brown ones are the really dangerous ones.

But in Australia, basically all snakes are dangerous. Yeah, a lot of them are. But again, you're going into their area, Chelsea. Actually, sometimes in Queensland, they might put themselves inside your shoes. Are they golfing? That doesn't seem like their area. That definitely seems like another area

that they're invading. On the fairway. Actually, they did cross the fairway sometimes as well. The brown ones are the grossest ones. I find those that... Yeah, they're big. They're big and they're thick. Yeah.

And I once saw a picture of a golf course that was just laden with all of these snakes. I don't think it was in Australia. It was probably somewhere in Florida. But there were like eight or 10 huge snakes on the golf course. And I'm like, oh my God, that is like my worst nightmare. Are you a good golfer? No, I'm not very good. My wife's way better, unfortunately.

But I'm only three years in. It's very humbling. Is your wife teaching you how to golf? God, don't bring this up. She's so good, it's annoying. But you know, she's a better athlete. She played tennis as a kid. And I can't say it comes natural to her.

She's worked really hard. Anyway, she's about seven shots ahead of me. Can we move on? Well, you're embarrassed and you should be. I'm embarrassed. Well, women are much- No, I shouldn't be embarrassed. You know, why shouldn't she be better than me?

Why should I expect to be better than her? Well, because you're an Australian male. That's probably why you're thinking that. By the way, that's a urine sample. Just kidding, I would never do that to you, Eric Bana. I would never do that to you. Okay, Bana. I would never do that to you. Okay, so now let's talk about some of your roles because I want to know which ones mean the most to you.

What role of yours made you like, I know you loved working on Troy, right? With Brad Pitt. Yeah. And who else was on the movie? Was it Orlando Bloom? Orlando Bloom. He's fun.

So many great actors, Sean Bean, Mr. Cox. I mean, it was just, yeah, it was just amazing. And I know you said about that movie, like, had it made no money, you would have still been just happy that you had done it because you were in such good company and you enjoyed the experience. I feel like that on everything I work on. Do you? Like, always, always.

Like, what happens afterwards? Like, you just, you do the thing, and it's like, you put that experience in a box and you lock it away, and sometimes, I know this sounds ridiculous, sometimes I actually forget that people are going to see the thing. Like now I'm out here talking about something that's already over. I had such an amazing time filming that last year. And you know how beautiful it is in B.C. outside the back of Whistler,

where we where we shot most of this. I mean, I was getting paid to be on a horse up in the mountains every day, hanging around with the most incredible crew, working with amazing writers. And and then now I'm like, oh, that's why people are going to see that. I forget. I forget we're making it for people. It wasn't just for us. I literally forget.

But it's also like with the way the industry is now, there's so much, you know what I mean? We're so saturated with so many TV shows, so many films. There's so much that it's like, it's not as big of a drumbeat to get to things for releases for things as it used to be. Yeah, that's true. You know, it feels like there's a lot more that comes and goes much quicker. So to have something like a project, adding on to what you're saying that there's a little bit of lag time to promoting something.

But British Columbia, I think is, if I think you'll agree with me, one of the most beautiful parts of the whole world. Yeah, I mean, in some ways we were lucky. We couldn't get into the key parts of Yosemite where the series is set in summer because of practicality reasons. So we ended up- Because of what happened with you and that kangaroo?

Yeah, exactly, exactly. They heard. So we ended up in BC at the back of Whistler for most of it. And it's just- Did you see any bears when you were in BC? Do you know what? I wanted to. I wanted to, and I saw none.

And we had a bear guy. We had a bear guy who was like, you know, our safety and the bears' safety. I'm like, dude, you're full of shit. Where are the bears? Like, there's just nothing. I wanted to like... I heard a rumour that some actors in the past had put stakes outside of their... To nothing. I'm not going to mention any names. Okay. Not on our show, by the way.

Okay. Well, good. Had put stakes on plates outside their trailers to try and get an Instagram moment. I didn't do that, but I didn't see one bear, so I need to go... I mean, I would have more chances seeing a bear on a ski lift in winter than I did on the show. Where did you guys stay off the back of Whistler, you keep saying? Where? Do you know where you were? Well, we stayed in Whistler and then we travelled out into the back.

You did? You know I have a house in Whistler. Well, I know, but you never offered it. Well, I didn't even know you were? Well, we stayed in Whistler and then we traveled out into the back, yeah. You did? You know I have a house in Whistler. Well, I know, but you never offered it. You knew I was there. Well, I didn't even know you were, no, I didn't know you were there. This is you, this is what I'm talking about with our relationship. You're constantly very close by and acting like

you're nowhere around. So you claim, no one at Whistler told you I was there? No, no one told me. Really? You would have heard from me, Eric. If I had known you were in Whistler, you definitely would have heard from me. You don't go there in the summer.

No, I go in the winter. You're very picky. I go to ski, you definitely would have worked for me. You don't go there in the summer. No, I go in the winter. You're very picky. I go to ski. I like skiing. So I knew that. Yeah. I've never seen a bear there either.

Really? And at the end of ski season, when the snow melts, there's always bears. So this year I stayed extra long because I love the idea of seeing a bear. My dogs look like bears. I feel like I have a connection to bears. And I feel like I could handle a bear. You know what I mean? I would know what to do in that situation more so than a snake or a shark or a kangaroo, right?

But this year I kept waiting and they're like, oh, there's a bear at the end of the road And then we drive down the end of the road the bear would be gone So I still haven't seen my real-life bear the area that we were filming in at the back of the old Olympic Ski Park there is a grizzly there called Debbie which they saw at some stage in pre-production I'm like Debbie where I, Debbie did not come out. Yeah, especially a grizzly. But she's like a big grizzly. But a female grizzly is gonna be even more dangerous

than a male grizzly. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So back to the question about what movie role do you think, like, what is one movie role that you think has had the biggest, not even impact professionally, but on you personally? Um, that's a really good question, because I've professionally, but on you personally?

That's a really good question, because I've had like four or five that have been really special, but in terms of like long-term friendships, my first big American film was Black Hawk Down, which was this huge ensemble. And I, to this day, have like three or four of my closest friends are from that shoot that we stayed in contact with.

We had hotel rooms on the same floor. My son was like 18 months, I think, at the time when we turned up, he was two by the time we left. I'm literally catching up with one of those people tomorrow night. So in terms of like impact on your life, I'd say that would be the greatest, mainly because of the friendships that were forged.

And I'm not alone. There was like different gangs of friendships on that film, because the cast was so huge of like two people there, three people there, five people there. And it's the same for everyone. Everyone is like super, super tight from that film. Troy was really special, Munich was really special. Munich was a great film.

Yeah, there's been so many that I think the big long shoots where everyone's away from home has something special to it. I'm usually the only guy who's away from home. I'm usually somewhere where everyone's away from home has something special to it. I'm usually the only guy who's away from home. I'm usually somewhere where everyone's sleeping in their own beds at night and I'm going back to an apartment and whatever. But on the big ones like that, it's a bit more of a bonding experience. Yeah, which is hard because you're also away. There's a bit of a summer camp vibe to it.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I know it's hard for you to be away from your family too. I mean, maybe it's not hard, but it's obviously not. You'd rather be with your family. Yeah. And you have to, you're the one traveling from Australia. But your kids are grown up now and in college.

Yeah, well, they're past that stage. They're 23 and 25. And are they still speaking to you? They're still speaking to me. Isn't that fantastic? Wow. Yeah, one of them just FaceTimed me from Europe today. They're out of the house and stuff.

So yeah, yeah, I'm so old. What are you and Rebecca gonna do now that your kids are like adults? How are you gonna celebrate your life? We'll do more travel, we'll play more golf, we'll have some fun, we'll drink. I'll get her to drink more than one glass of alcohol a week. Yeah, yeah, she's gonna have to step that up too.

Yeah, absolutely. Remember the night- Can I send it to you for a week? Absolutely, I can train anybody. I can train anybody to drink more. Remember we went to dinner one night in Melbourne and then I got into the van on the way out and I went to go take a step up. I had had a few cocktails, of course. And I stepped up and then I kind of fell into the van and Eric's like, you're right there. And just kept walking. Just walking by me. No, I think this is a perfect time for you guys to travel, enjoy your lives. You know, it's so nice when kids are grown up

and you've like, they're cooked. I know they're never fully cooked. Exactly. No, it is. It does feel amazing. And it's also that it's at age you think will never happen, you know, when you've got, like you just think this point will never ever come

where you'll just travel and it won't really matter where you are because they're not around. So it's, no, it's kind of fun. I mean, it's kind of sad in some ways, but yeah, it's amazing. And what do you think, if you had to describe yourself as a dad, how would you describe yourself? Oh, God. I definitely try and be funny. I think my wife and I are really similar. Like, we're just really into it, really into being parents. Like, we were always really, really

into it. So I would say they probably, they were always sick of me being around. They were like, can you just go back to work? Like enough of you already. So yeah, I don't know, something like that. Did you find out that you, were you surprised to find out how much patience you had as a father?

Well, it depends on the day of the week. Right. Yeah. Would you say patience is one of your strong suits or one of your less strong suits? No, I would say in life in general and in work, I'm very, very patient. Yeah. Very, very patient. Are you?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I need to work on my patience. Yeah. I was stupid people. It's very hard for me. No, fair enough. You know, stupid people is very hard for...

Don't everywhere. I don't like to... I want everyone to assess the situation quickly and then move on. Is it stupid people or is it inefficiency? Because I have discovered recently that all of my close friends, all of my male close friends are high intelligence and have no capacity for inefficiency. I just discovered this one day when I was telling my wife about the story. I was just recently traveling with a buddy of mine and his bugbear is checking into hotels. Anything more than

three words. Any fingers that tap more than twice. I don't even want to interact with the person. Just bring me to my room and then also don't come in. Yeah. Hand me the key. Don't give me the tour. Say nothing. My issue with impatience is when the interaction just, yes, it's exactly that. It could be succinct and yet it keeps going and there's a back and forth, it's like, I already have clocked what's going on and I've expressed to you via me, Ojos,

that this is not, like, this is over. Like, I got it. You know, it's even on planes, I noticed, when people, it's almost like people want to just waste time, you know, talking to people. I think when people, I think planes specifically, because people seem to get nervous on planes and I think when people, I think planes specifically, because people seem to get nervous on planes,

and I think they like to talk too much just because they're feeling nervous. Ordering food, like people that, you know, like when you're in line and someone's ordering and they're having like a conversation with a cashier. Oh yeah, it's so fucking annoying, I hate that. Or in airports when people are just standing there. I'm like, what are you doing?

Move. No one is here to hang out and meet friends here. No one is here for that reason. The purpose of an airport is to get from one place to the next place. So fucking move your feet. I don't understand either what's going on. And no three or four breast.

Fuck, come on. Oh no. Please. Those people are never paying attention either. Don't throw that word around either. Are you somebody that would ever listen to a show, watch a show on your phone or have a FaceTime call on your phone without a pair of headphones on, Eric?

No. Exactly. No. That's the right answer. I had to confront about three different people on my last travels. I was just in Europe for two months. Let me guess, were they Americans? No, they were men though.

They were men. There was one woman and she was elderly. So I was like, am I going to, because I am I going to... She might have been hard of hearing. Well, but she still could get a headphones. It might have affected hearing aids or something. So that's where I'm going on that. Well, that's nice. But I thought if I said something to the two men and I didn't say something to the woman,

then that would be sexist. Sexist. And I don't want to be sexist. You're a modern woman. Yeah, exactly. You know that. Take that bitch down. So I said, excuse me, miss, do you have a set of headphones? And she goes, oh, I'm so

sorry. But yeah, there was a guy- Good reaction. Were you surprised by how well she reacted? No, because I'm so nice about it. I go, I'm so sorry. Would you mind not watching that fucking race car show at full blast volume while we're on a fucking plane together? When everyone, it's just so inconsiderate. I mean, it's definitely more of a male thing, of course, like everything, where people just don't consider that other people may not want to hear your social media or your FaceTime call. I mean, it kills me when someone's on a FaceTime call without a headset.

Walking down the street. And you're just like, do you think, do you want people to hear your conversation? They do. That's the truth. No, they do. They totally do. They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're flexing. Yeah, the truth. No, they do. They totally do. They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're flexing. The attention thing. Yeah. Okay. We're going to take a break and we're going to be right back with my favorite, Eric Bana. My Uncle Chris is definitely somebody worth talking about. He was the kind of guy that lived in a trailer with an ex-con and a retired stripper, left loaded machine guns laying around, drank a bottle of whiskey a night, claimed he could

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Find it on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond. And left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think, in the New York Daily News. It's, Teddy escapes, Blonde drowns.

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and beyond the drama of America's royal family. Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, and we're back with Eric Bana. Okay, tell me why you wanted to do Untamed, Eric. I loved the pilot episode when it was sent to me. I just thought it was so brilliantly written.

And Selfishly is an actor. Honestly, when I'm reading something, I'm reading something as an audience first. That's the truth. As an actor or as a person? As a person. Like, does this interest me? Do I think this is great? And then the second time it's like selfishly diving in,

okay, what's this character like? So I read, I'm like, I'm so in. I like, whether I'm in this show or not, I'm watching this, like, it's not gonna be on my list. Because the first episode is very intense, lots of things happen. Oh my gosh. The opening, I was like panicking under my covers.

I loved it, and I loved the character of Kyle, and then I met with Mark and we spoke and I was like, I want to help set this up. I want to make this show. So that was five years ago. So it took us quite a while to get to this point. See, I would lose interest in something if it took five years. So you've got to have patience, Chelsea. Five years is such a long time. We wouldn't be here talking about this if I had no patience. Anyway, no, I just loved it. And I, because I love a murder mystery, so many of us do,

but I'm done with people driving around in cars and knocking on doors. So here we were in a national park trying to solve a crime, but in the most beautiful, epic setting, which has an element of danger to it. And for those of us who love nature, we know like there's yin and yang. It's like, you're exposed. It's amazing. But there's always this element that I could be in a little bit of danger here. So I love the idea of that genre or that kind of program, but set somewhere amazing as a point of difference. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, it means even more to me now that I know it was shot in Whistler. I didn't even know that. I didn't even recognize it watching it, that it was shot in Whistler.

Well, hopefully you don't, because we had some B stuff from Yosemite that we stitch in to make it, you know. Right, right, right. So that's good. All national parks look the same to me, you know what I mean? Once you're in the woods on a horse. Once you're a park ranger for one park,

you're a park ranger for pretty much all parks. I'm not a park ranger, but anyway. No, I'm talking about myself. I'm a park ranger. You're a federal agent, right? I'm a federal agent. I'm a park ranger. Investigating services branch, thank you very much.

You're a permanent permanent investigative, whatever. And put an investigator in front of anything and that's what he is. Yes, yes. Well, should we start with the question? Yeah, I wanna hear Eric give advice to people. Okay. What sort of advice?

Yeah, this is called Dear Chelsea, first of all. So it's called Dear Abby. So people are gonna call in for life advice and based on your life experience, Eric, everything you've been through, you are going to tell them what you think they should do. Yes. Hang on. Will they listen?

Yeah. Will they listen? Will they take it on board? Do I get evidence as to whether they took this shit up or not? We've got to let you know, because people follow up with us. Because my wife and I are sick and tired of giving advice to people that they don't take up. That's true. So this comes with a price.

There's going to be follow up. Come on. And you can demand it of the callers when they come on. You can say you better follow up. Bully the caller. That's a good approach. Well, this one's just an email, but I thought this would be a good one. We were just talking about traveling and, you know, especially since you have two

grown kids, you might have some insight on this. Elizabeth says, Dear Chelsea, for the sake of sisterhood, help a girl out. Back on our third date, 18 years and two kids ago, my husband and I dreamed of living abroad for a year or two. Think Europe, Asia, epic memories before our kids hit high school and stopped thinking we're cool. We fell in love with Barcelona a decade ago and said, this is the place.

Well, one day is now. Our son's headed into sixth, daughter into third, and the clock is ticking. We can technically afford it in the long run, but my husband, who runs his own law practice, calls it, quote, financial suicide. Meanwhile, I've been in and out of full-time work since COVID, and the plan would be for me to be on team logistics while he keeps the lights on. He feels the pressure, I get it, but also, yolo? How do I get him to jump? We both want this, we're dreamers,

this country's a dumpster fire, the kids are still impressionable, and honestly, the crisp Spanish white wine is calling. Tips, pep talk, Chelsea wisdom, I'll take it all, Elizabeth. I mean, I think you have to go for it. You have to, first of all, no time like the present, especially with what's happening in our country,

and great reason to get out of there there and great reason to expose your kids. I mean, I'm surprised they're even willing to take their eighth and third grader, eight-year-old, and I think you are eighth and third grade, whatever the ages are. Yeah, eighth and third grade. But I mean, if they made that agreement, then they should follow through on that. That's a good idea, don't you think? I think it's a terrible idea. You do?

No, I'm joking. You got me. Absolutely. It is the best thing they will ever do for their kids, for their marriage, for themselves. I understand Hubby's point of view. He's a bit stressed about it, but 10 years from now he'll look back and go, I don't know why I was stressed about that financial situation. I made good on that, you know, like within two years. But the kids will never forget it.

Our kids traveled a lot through my job. They remember every single location we ever shot in. They remember absolute specifics. So it's a no brainer. You've got to do it. How do you get the husband over the line? You tell him- Threaten him.

Oh, no, it only gets harder as the kids get older. If you don't do it now, you will not do it. And listen, don't let him say, you know what? Let's check in again in two years. That's not going to happen. Because sixth grade is right before junior high too. You've got to go. Yeah, yeah, right. You do have to.

And also you have to take life by the balls. Like, you know, saying something like it's a financial suicide is very dramatic. It's actually not going to be financial suicide. You'll figure it out. And everyone does figure those things out. And even to that end, like I'm not exactly sure about the logistics, but like he could have a paralegal or an assistant who's stateside and in your time zone and he can be working remotely, I would imagine.

But you know what else? The financial suicide thing, that's something that's in your head when you're in your current bubble and the minute they land in, where is it? Barcelona. The words financial suicide will slip out of his brain. Gone. Yeah, I agree with that. You're always worried about the things that...

So get on that plane. Yeah. And it'd be great for your kids to learn Spanish. That's really important for Americans. And then also, like, they're not just going to be in Barcelona. You're going to be taking weekend trips all over Europe. Yeah, you guys can go spend time in my house in Mallorca. I mean, hello.

Perfect. There you go. Yeah. Hello. All right. Done, Elizabeth. Let your husband know. But again, I want to hear Elizabeth.

I want to see a photo from Barcelona. I'll do a follow up email with you, okay? You can count on that. And you know what? I'll even say, Elizabeth, if your husband is not convinced, you guys can call in for a couples counseling with Chelsea. But tell them Eric Banner just told them to do it. There's not going to be a bigger conversation after that, I don't think.

He's going to have to time his wife over there. Well our first caller is James. James is from Louisiana. He says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a 26 year old bisexual man from South Louisiana. I've only been with men since coming out about six years ago. I live in a small town where everyone knows everybody's business. This past Christmas Eve, my mom was in the Dollar General when the mother of an old friend of mine walked up to her. She proceeded to tell my mom that she thinks her daughter's child is mine. Within the first couple of minutes of hearing this, I was in denial. But after looking through pictures, though, I'm convinced the child is mine.

The quote unquote father of the child doesn't know this information and the mother is in a mental health facility for 18 months getting help. I'm at a loss for words over this one and would love some advice. Thanks for everything you do, James." Whoa. Whoa, James. Hi, this is our special guest, Eric Fanna today. Hi, James. Hi, it's nice to meet you all. You too, man.

Hi. And James is having a bout of Bell's palsy, so we have a little bit of a slurred speech, but- No problem, no problem. Yeah, all good. Well, it sounds like you're dealing with a lot of stuff right now. Yes, I am. And how do you think you want to handle this?

I'm still just kind of like dealing with this at the moment. But as far as like the kids situation goes, I mean, I've had a similar view on kids as you have. And I've never really, especially I haven't been with a girl since like 2018. So that's something. But then what's really pulling me in are the amount of like concerning things, like with the child's father, supposed father, um, he has like a Confederate flag on the back of his truck, which is like all you need to know about that.

And especially growing up down here, my cousin actually babysit the child before because it's a small town. Everyone knows everyone. actually babysit the child before, because it's a small town, everyone knows everyone. She had seen a picture of the kid on the fridge and had asked, hey, is that James? The mom, she said, no, that's the kid, but we think that James is the kid's father

and told her not to say anything. And this is a few months before she admitted herself into that mental health facility for 15 months. So yeah, and then there's little things like the kid, like to my little pony and stuff like that. And he also has like a brother who's a complete opposite, more similar to the father. But you definitely had sex with this woman, right?

They're theoretically you could be the father. I did once, yes. Okay, so you could be the father. I could be the father. Oh, okay, so you could be the father. I could be the father. Wow, that's heavy. But you don't know 100%. We don't, and my mom was in talks with the grandmother about like a DNA test and stuff like that,

but they kind of thought it would be a better idea to wait until she gets out, so she doesn't feel like blindsided, which I understand. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, she's blindsided, which I understand. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, she's already got a husband with a Confederate flag, so. Yeah, and they're actually,

so they're not really like together. Okay. Is another thing. Not really. Who's looking after this little girl right now? Her grandparents? So it's a boy, but yeah, her grandparents, and they're staying with the dad.

Okay. Yeah. I think you need to process exactly how you want to approach this before you actually make any move. You know what I mean? Since it's a huge responsibility and it is like the rest of your life,

first of all, I want to go about it the right way and actually make sure that she is your daughter 100% and do a DNA test. Son. Because- Son. Son, sorry, I'm sorry. It's okay, it's all right.

And do a DNA test, but also figure out what the timing of that, because... Son. Son, sorry, I'm sorry. It's okay. It's all right. And do a DNA test, but also figure out what the timing of that, what the timing is and what makes most sense with regard to the mother being in that facility, right? Correct. Like there's a lot of delicate issues around this. Correct. And she does get out in November, so that's something. Yeah, I think maybe at that time, you can take it upon yourself to suggest that, you

know, in a face-to-face with her about doing a DNA test, or if she thinks that you're the father, you might not be. That's also true. So yeah, so it's not like, you know, a black and white situation just yet. I think it's a very something that you really have to handle with a lot of delicacy, you know, until you actually do a DNA test. Got you. Do you think that he should have a conversation

with the grandma, the one who approached his mom, and just to sort of like get the lay of the land with the supposed father and the mom? Yeah, I think that would be, are you up for that? Yeah, I'm totally up for that. Yeah, I think you just be as nice and reasonable as you obviously are and have a conversation with her. If she's the one who initiated that conversation, follow up with it. Like any

responsible adult male would, you know, or should. She literally walked up to my mom in Dollar General and was like, so I don't know if it's my place, but I think your child is my grandson's dad. And it's just like on Christmas Eve so it's just crazy. That's a lot. How old is he now? How old is the boy? He's like seven. Yeah, so this will be something for him to process too, like when and if it comes out.

Yes, I think be very thoughtful. Don't have unnecessary interactions with the child until you know for sure what the situation is and start with the grandmother and then in November when When the mother comes out then you can have a conversation with her too And then just take steps in the direction of finding out for sure, but don't do anything rash right now And then also have a boyfriend This is a doubleheader that caused some tension at the time. We've obviously built on our relationship. So I think that it would be fine if it came down to it. But that's just all another thing because

it's like. Yeah. But again, I think you're getting ahead of yourself. I think you just take it one step at a time. You're going to have to solve all of the problems on one day, you know? Right. That's my problem. Yeah. So just don't overwhelm yourself. You know, you're dealing with a lot. So just take it. The first step is you're going to have a conversation with the grandmother. Heard, I appreciate that.

And I would also say, check out our episode we did with Karamo Brown, because he has a really similar story. Like, he had sex with a woman once, and you know, found out way later that he had a child with her, and now they have a wonderful relationship. So check that episode out. Awesome. Well, thanks for calling in. Thanks, James.

Good luck. Yeah. Absolutely. And just lastly, anyone who's on Medicaid, there's a lot going on right now. And when this happened, I didn't realize that I was thrown off of it. So anyone who's on it, anything can happen anytime. Make sure that you're keeping up with your deadlines and stuff like that, because they're trying to trick people left and right. Yeah, just to throw that out there. Yeah some scary stuff Yeah, that's a really good reminder. I mean, I know any of us can have unexpected medical bills crop up So if anyone wants to pitch in and help with James's medical bills, I will put a link in the description Your Chelsea listeners are always so amazing at helping folks out and it's a pretty small amount,

so I'm sure we can make a good dent in that. Okay, thanks James. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. It's so nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Likewise, follow up with us. Yep.

Oh God. I know, it's a complicated situation. That was the double-higher whipsy-doodle. Yeah, he needs to go with the other family to Barcelona. Oh man. I know. Can you imagine if you found out that we had a baby together, Eric? Can you imagine?

What would you do? Well, I mean, and you wouldn't even have even remembered how it happens. That would have been the biggest rub. What? It would have been so quick? Is that what you're saying? No, you would have been like, you would, I mean, no, not so quick. You just, I mean, it's a lot to deal with. It is a lot.

Unexpected things in life. It's a lot to deal with. No, that's a lot. It's a lot. That is a lot. No, I mean, but as a dad, you know, obviously it's a different situation, but as a dad, I mean, I would assume that you would encourage him

to like try to develop a relationship with this kid, right? But once you know for sure, yeah Just takes what someone says at face value like no Dollar general and you know what? The hard thing also is like I didn't want to ask James this but it was like How would he feel would he feel better or worse if you found out tomorrow that the kid wasn't his? Guys were talking, and so I didn't want to interrupt.

Oh, I'm so sorry, I thought I was talking on my podcast. I'm so sorry. You know, like, would that- You know what, I didn't take a pain pill today for my foot because I wanted to be coherent for this interview. I wish I had taken it now. I really do. I don't know, I mean, would he be relieved,

or would he be devastated? I mean, for how many years now has he thought that this child is his? Just recently. It's only really recently. I felt like you've been living with this for years. Just since the Dollar General store interaction. Do we have an easier question for Eric?

Do you want me to do like a simple math? You've got something to do with motorcycles or football? Do you have a Lego set of motorcycles that he can put together? You know what? A lot of grown men are into Legos now. Do you know that? That's the thing. My sister-in-law is into Legos.

She's like, I'm just relaxing thing. I'm just relaxing thing. I'm just relaxing thing. I'm just relaxing thing. I'm just relaxing thing. I'm justin-law's into Legos. She's like why relaxing thing I put together Lego set Are these more intricate crazy? I think they're cute I'm like, there's you know, I can do like a little flower pot or like different fun cute things or like the set of Harry Potter Recently a Formula One race the the the the trophies were sponsored by LEGOs. They got their podium trophies in LEGO.

Oh. I'm not sure that goes in the cabinet with all the... And what happens if you drop it? Like, does someone come around and give these instructions? I think they're different, they're high-tech LEGOs now. Like, they stick together. It's not like it's a... I think one of these fell apart.

I went to my first Formula One race in Barcelona a couple months ago. Did you love it? Um, yeah. It's, it's a very particular thing. It's, it's, I felt watching those guys get stuffed into those cars with that dry ice being blown in their faces to cool them down made me feel, and I just can't believe that those guys are in the car for two and a half hours. Yeah.

I didn't believe, I didn't know it was that long. So it was pretty intense and it's definitely athletic. Yeah, and it's also like I love it, but there is a point where I do prefer watching it at home. I do love being at the track sometimes, but for the race, I do actually really like watching it at home with all the commentary and stuff. But no, it's a pretty incredible environment. I was recently on a trip around Europe with a buddy of mine for a few weeks on motorcycles and we took in some motor racing and went to the Austrian Formula One race,

which is great to compare it to, because we have Melbourne Formula One, which is like five minutes from home and it was great to compare the differences. But yeah, it's a whole other world. You've never driven in one of those races. Not a Formula One car. No, but I've done a lot of racing like GT3. You don't have to be defensive about it. No, I wasn't being small-dicked about it at all. I was just, you know, trying to claim my bonafides. There was a long conversation. Brad Pitt was recently on Dax's podcast, and they were talking about Formula One for almost two hours. And I texted Dax and I was like,

I can't believe you think people want to listen to this shit. People are so into it. I just can't believe it. People love Formula One. They love it. And the reason I went in Barcelona is because I was performing, I was doing a show, and my cousins wanted to go. She's like, come on, let's go.

Well, you'll get the VIP treatment. I was like, OK, we'll go. And then they put me on the pad, or the pit, or the, what's it called? I think I saw a photo. Which team were you with? You were in someone's, oh, with Williams' garage. The Williams.

They both lost that day, of course. Did you have the headphones on, were you able to listen to all the stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cool, right? I mean, I did for a while, but you know what the best part was? The catering, I mean, I've been to a lot of VIP, like Wimbledon, where you go to these sweets and stuff.

Yeah, you were in Wimbledon last week as well. I've been everywhere. Yeah, I get around. I was in Glastonbury, and then I went to Wimbledon, and that's what happened with my foot. What's next? What major event are you ticking off next? Have you done the Australian Open?

I'm gonna do the Australian Open. It's the best. Do you go? Yeah, it's the best. Oh, fucking love tennis. I was just watching Wimbledon this morning before I came over here. Yeah, I think Sinner's just-

Alcares just won and Sinner's playing Djokovic. Sinner's doing Djokovic, I think. Is he beating him? Yeah. Really? Yeah. How do you feel about that? I have a lot of respect for, I mean, I've seen so many of his finals in Melbourne. Like, he's him? Yeah. Really? Yeah. How do you feel about that? I have a lot of respect for John.

I mean, I've seen so many of his finals in Melbourne. Like he's just a freak. I mean, yeah. I mean, I love Sinner as well. Like it's handing over the guard, isn't it? Right? I just hope there's going to be a third Alcares. We need someone else.

Yeah, we need a third one. Alcares is so much fun to watch. Like I love him. You know what I mean? Sinner is an amazing player, but it's less fun to watch that. You know I used to be a downhill skier. I know. You had to choose between skiing and tennis, just like I had to choose and I chose

skiing. You chose podcasts. I chose a podcast. Yeah. Well, Kate is deciding about whether to stay with her long time, well, husband, I guess. Okay. Well, this will be something that Rebecca can relate to. So, Kate is 36 and she says,

Dear Chelsea, I've been married for almost eight years together with this man for almost 20 years now. Recently, some things have come up that I think I've always known deep down but never wanted to fully admit. My husband is so smart and talented in so many ways but has never reached his full potential. He's always bounced between dead-end jobs and unemployment.

He drained our savings training to be a pilot, but that never went anywhere. In the meantime, I've worked my ass off to be where I'm at, in a great career, and have always been the main one supporting our household. It's exhausting. He always had excuses as to why he didn't get promoted or doesn't get better jobs. I always believed him and have been rooting for him since day one thinking this next job will be it. It'll be the one to lead to a good career. But it never happens and I'm finally realizing it's him.

He's the problem. He has no motivation and shows zero initiative. That's why I'm writing. After all my quote nagging, he recently admitted that he's content with low-level jobs forever. He doesn't need anything more to make him happy or fulfilled. I accept him for who he is, but I've always wanted more for myself and the resentment is really starting to build up. Now my question is, do I stay with him out of love and accept that I'll never reach my financial goals because he's holding us

back? Or is it time I let him go and accept that I may just be alone forever? I'm so torn and don't want to end up regretting my decision years down the line. Thank you, Kate Jesus this is another and she's a mover in a shaker like bringing the drama. She's great. Hi Kate. This is Eric He's here to help you today. Hi. Hi. Wow. That was a heavy letter. That's heavy thinking Yeah, it's been weighing on me. Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like it. I would say to you, if you're talking about resentment, that really doesn't go away. If you're going to accept somebody for who they are,

that's one thing. But he's kind of falsely advertising who he really is, who he really was, to a degree. So that adds another layer of resentment. And I would say, I wouldn't look at this decision as like a binary choice, like, okay, I'm staying or going. It's actually now that you've written all of this, you've said it out loud, you're calling in, you're acknowledging all these feelings. It's kind of like, okay, well, where does this new information take you now that

you know, he's content living like that. I don't want you to look at it like, what if I'm alone forever? Don't look at anything like that. I don't want you to look at it like, what if I'm alone forever? Don't look at anything like that. Like that's not the option. It's not him or you're alone forever. You could meet somebody else down the road. You can meet somebody in two months. You can meet somebody in two years.

You never know who you're gonna meet. I doubt you're gonna be alone. Most people aren't. Just by everything that you're saying, it sounds like you're getting ready to make a move. I'm definitely leaning on that side of, I think that's where my head is at. I think I just, I don't know, I just love having like an outside perspective of like, am I making

the right choice? I don't know, just any sort of validation that I'm not screwing this up by leaving. It's just a lot of mixed emotions. So any, I'm just trying to talk to a therapist. I'm trying to talk to all my friends. I'm trying to talk to family. Outside perspectives is, you know, I'm just trying to not make like a rash move immediately and just like. Right. I think that's smart. I don't think it should be a rash move, but I think you should acknowledge everything that you're feeling. Like if you have a lot of resentment, that's not necessarily just going to disappear. Being ambitious and wanting more for yourself is not selfish.

That's the type of person you are. And acknowledging that is really important as a woman. It's really important also to acknowledge that and not to be held back by this idea of loyalty or love. Like he'll be okay too. Everyone survives. People get divorced all the time. If that's the road that you go down,

you really just also have to honor where you see yourself in your life. Like take the time that is necessary to make a deep decision like this and spend time alone with yourself, with your thoughts, with a therapist, and really contemplate how you see your future moving forward without him, if that's, you know, one option, and how it would look with him. Yeah, and I think that's, yeah, kind of what I've been talking to with my therapist is just like what my values are, and I feel like we're just kind of growing apart, and like my values and his values

maybe don't align at this point. Like maybe they did 10 years ago, but at this point I feel like I'm trying to continue to grow myself and like improve myself, and I just don't think that he cares to do that. And so, yeah, if those values don't align, like, what am I doing? It's not even values. It's just kind of like values almost sounds like you're judging him for, it's you, it's what you want, your desires.

Like, you're desiring a different type of life. It's not like he's a bad guy and you're a good person. It's not like that. It's just that you kind of seem like you're on two different trajectories. He's content with where he is and you're not. So yeah. It's gonna also be really, really tough because you guys obviously met really young.

You've been together for a long time. So we did since like 1920. Yeah, so in a lot of ways, you didn't get to see your fully formed partner until you were well and truly and truly married. So like if you had a mate in your mid-20s, it's maybe a little different. You may have identified things in your husband that you can now that would have been less negotiable up until now. I'm really sorry you're in this position. There's a naive part of me that goes, oh,

he sounds like a really, I don't want to say low maintenance husband, but is he happy with, I know so many men who are so driven and have achieved so much and are so miserable and bitter. And then I hear this story, I'm like, oh, this guy doesn't have as much as a lot of people but is he truly happy or I don't know enough about him to be able to make that sort of a call. But there's a side of me that goes, that's kind of a really nice thing as well. That someone who's not crazily driven, still really happy with their lot

in life, and I'm hoping he adores you. So there's that side, obviously. But I can hear in your voice, maybe that's not fully the case. It's a real tough one. But you could also end up with someone who's all the things you want, who's incredibly driven, who's maybe never home and is just miserable all the time. I mean, that's also possible, right? Not discounting any of the way you're feeling, as Chelsea's saying. Yeah, I just think it's really important as women, first and foremost, to really honor the thoughts and feelings you have around a relationship and not stay there for someone

else. You know what I mean? You really have to look out for yourself because no one else is going to look out for you but you. Like no one is gonna make the best decisions for yourself. And whatever your decision ends up being is gonna be the right one anyway. You know, you're gonna make a left

or you're gonna make a right and you're gonna double down in that direction. And if you stay, you're gonna double down on your marriage and good things can come from that too. It's kind of like, almost like you have to become non-emotional about it. That's the hard part because I completely agree with, yeah, he's such a great person and that's why I look at my life like,

will I meet anybody that's so low maintenance as him? He's the most low maintenance person ever. But yeah, the same thing you're saying to Chelsea, I'm a woman and I feel like I need to look out for myself and like my desires. I don't know. It's just, it's such a hard place to be in. So there's no rush at all. You know, it's good to just really like think, I mean, the only bad decisions are the really impulsive ones. So as long as you're putting a lot of thought into this, you're going to come out and make the right decision.

I hope so. One thing that might help as you're sort of making this decision is... Would it help to have sex with Eric Bannett? Would that help in making this decision? Clearly not. Because we could do this right now. That may help. Okay.

Would you be willing to do that if you thought it would help, Eric? He acts like this, but you know. Oh dear, I'm sorry. He acts shy and he's... She's in a car and you know, like she's sharing her life with you. I was just thinking out loud. Creative solutions. I mean, this is a good solution actually.

I mean, this wasn't the intention of the result, but look, here we are now. Here we are. But as you're sort of like result, but look, here we are now. Here we are. But as you're sort of like dealing with these two like very different decisions, one thing you can do is pretend like you've made a decision one way and sit with it for a couple of days and feel how it feels. And then take a couple of days where you've quote unquote made the other decision and like see which one feels good, which one feels like a relief to you. Yeah.

Yeah. I've kind of been doing that over the last couple months and I think I keep going back to leaving and I think that's my answer. I just, I don't know, trying to make sure that's the right answer. And so I appreciate all of the advice from everybody. Keep us posted when you do make a decision. I'd like to know what happens. And Eric wants a follow up too. He wants to know what happens to all of our colleagues. I want to know what happens. I really do.

Eric's married. I've already tried to have sex with him. It's not going to work. He's actually married happily. So, but you know, listen, I think all of these conversations, like, I think a lot of women are going through this right now. You're not alone in this. There's a lot of women of our age that are happening. I mean, I'm sure you're younger than me, but in the world today, realizing maybe we don't need this partner. Maybe I certainly don't need a partner for what?

You better bring a lot to the table. So I can totally relate to why you would be feeling this way and that so many women are feeling this way. Do you have children together? No, thank God. That's the one thing I don't have to worry about. I mean, we have a lot of animals, but no children.

Okay. Well, I would say that's your answer right there. I would say you can get out free without children. Get the hell out. Yeah, then get out. I don't mean to be harsh about it, but that's how I feel. No, but I appreciate the harshness because I'm kind of a harsh person too. But with him, I've just been taking care of him for our whole entire lives.

And so I feel like he's the one person that I'm not harsh with and maybe I need to start, I need to do that. I don't know. Yeah. All right, Kate, will you follow up with us? I will. Absolutely. Thanks for calling, Kate. Thank you. I don't know. Yeah. All right, Kate, will you follow up with us? I will. Absolutely. Thanks for calling, Kate.

Thank you. Good luck, Kate. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. Chelsea, I think you bring up a really good point. And I mentioned this to her when we chatted in our pre-interview. I feel like for me right now, there's a lot of women around me who are leaving a marriage not because there was some big chaotic breakup or cheating or whatever, it's just

because like, I think there's something better or this doesn't feel like the right fit or we've grown apart. And that's not a bad like that's not the biggest failure in the world when something doesn't work out. Like, I think that's what women are coming to grips with that it's not the end of your world. If you break up if your marriage breaks up like the dissolution of a marriage doesn't mean it's over.

You can have a new beginning. And men seem to have nine lives. Men get married three or four times and you're like, oh, women just aren't as codependent. And women are like, they're going through something. I mean, I feel like when you have to make a really hard decision, Eric, is there a decision you can think of

that you really had to struggle with? Because I always just think make a decision in either direction and then just go with that. I always just think, make a decision in either direction and then just go with that. I do sit on them for quite a long time. Like indecisive? No, no, not indecisive. I don't like to feel pressured into making a quick decision,

you know, so I'm comfortable sitting on it for quite a while. But it sounds like I could just hear it in a voice. She's lost some respect for him. It's hard to move past that, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. Once you get to that point. Yeah, because it all sounds like a great idea when you're starting out, but you have to grow

and evolve together and taking care of someone is not sexy. That's not hot. No one gets turned on by that. They think they are, they're gonna like that, but there is some sort of like awakening or uprising happening with women right now. So I- And you are gonna like that. But there is some sort of like awakening or uprising happening with women right now. So I- And you are helping forge that.

I am. I've been helping forge it before. I was even here. No, it's cool. It's awesome. Well, thank you. I didn't, I couldn't tell if you were serious or not. No, I'm deadly serious. I appreciate that.

I'm deadly serious. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, you've probably helped a lot of people really, really move on and like empower them. But I'm not like a proponent of like, I don't wanna be a relationship wrecker, like get away from him. Like I'm not anti-man, I just think that I'm pro-woman.

You know what I mean? And you're just saying it's not the end of the world. Like don't look at yourself as a failure if a relationship doesn't work. Because I think a lot of people do have that baggage associated with it. Like how is this gonna, am I a failure if this fails? Like how does this reflect on me as a person? Right, right, right.

It's like the end of the world. No, and you survive everything. Even if someone like, the worst things that can happen in your life are survivable. So once you have a lot enough life experience, you realize, oh, I'm not going to be broken. You know what I mean? Yeah. Somebody doesn't have, another person doesn't necessarily have the power to break you. That's kind of on you. Yeah, it's cool. It's a cool message.

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Six whole hours of it. Six hours of Arifana. You don't come at us all the time, so when we get you, we have to watch it. Limited supply. You're not over-saturating yourself. So no, it's a limited supply, and we're lucky to have it. Get it before the Wi-Fi drops out, I say. That's right, limited supply.

I also want to say one thing about Australians before you go. I have a lot of Australians in my life and they... You don't have to rub it in, I thought. Well, not from Melbourne. I mean, I feel less special. Most of them are Sydney. But they always think they're right about everything. Really?

Yeah. That's a Sydney thing, darling. Is it? It's a Sydney. Is it? Because that's what my next question was going to be. Yeah, so you need more people from Melbourne, a bit more, keep it real. Yeah, explaining to me, like I was listening to a podcast with my friend, she's Australian,

and while we were listening to the podcast, she was explaining the podcast to me. I'm like, I can't fucking hear anything. How is it, it's just because you always hang out in Sydney, how is it you don't have many Melbourne friends, you have more Sydney friends? I don't know, because I think Melbourne people stay in Australia and Sydney people move to the States. Oh, okay, okay. But yeah, Sydney is my city there. I would love to live in Australia and Sydney people move to the States. Oh, okay. But yeah, Sydney is my city there. I would love to live in Australia one day.

I mean, that's really just like kind of a very idyllic lifestyle. Mm-hmm. It is a great place to live. But hey, you got it pretty good here. You got your little place up in Whistler there. You just get up there with your dogs and- And my bear. Your bear and your place in Spain. And my bear that I'm going to find in a dog. A little stake out on your front porch. I don't think so. I'm not that stupid.

I'm hearing three properties, none of them in Australia. That's what I'm hearing. That's what you are hearing. Yeah. That's what you're hearing. No miracle here for you. You've got this. Okay, Eric, thank you so much.

So awesome to see you. Thanks for having me. Always, always. Loved it. Oh, God. Okay, my remaining dates for Vegas. Thanks for having me. Always, always, loved it. Oh, God. Okay, my remaining dates for Vegas. There are remaining dates for this year.

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