Dear Chelsea - Saving the F*cking World with Celeste Barber

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Comic Celeste Barber joins Chelsea to talk about making a retiree of her Hot Husband, instamommies who show up looking gorgeous for school pickup, and why she tells her kids she’s on social media “for work”.  Then: A baby writer wonders if it’s time to leave her full-time job.  A dad creates wedding drama out of thin air.  And a wife wonders how to tell acquaintances about her soon-to-be-ex-husband’s cheating ways… or whether she should keep them to herself? * Check out Celeste’s UK/Europe/Dubai tour dates here, and grab your Booie Beauty here! * Order a signed copy of Chelsea’s new book HERE! * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have an amazing guest today who is here from Australia. Oh, okay, oh, you know her. She's an author, she's got her own makeup line, she's a comedian, and she has the best Instagram, Celeste Barber. Yeah, and her UK, Europe, and Dubai tour is kicking off April 4th, so be sure to check that out and check out Bully Beauty at B-O-O-I-E dot com. Okay, we're sitting here with my girlfriend, Celeste Barber.

She's not only my girlfriend. She's a lot of things to a lot of people. How did I find out about you? I found out about you, I think, probably from your Instagram, because she does these, if you don't follow her which you should be following her for those of you who are unfamiliar she does these great kind of how would you describe them just ripping off idiotic modeling poses and then exactly how I would have described it recreating them as a regular person a regular parodies yeah

parodies of them taking inappropriate unflattering photos of myself and putting them up against models. And videos. And videos. The videos are really where it's at because you know when you see- Mind check, you just jumped on the couch. Honestly, dogs around me at the moment,

it's a whole thing. See, this is why you need to watch on YouTube. Look at the tail. Let her sit here, it's fine. Okay, as long as she's not snorting into the microphone. Yeah, I know, he made some questionable sounds the other day, Doug. And I was like, get out of here. It sounds like someone's farting and it doesn't sound like you.

Anyway, she does. Celeste recreates, you know what I like about it more than the obvious, which is taking the piss and laughing. It really shows you how ridiculous modeling can be. Like what sexy is supposed to be when these girls walk around half naked, you know, with like their tongues out of their mouths or just in some ridiculous pose that you're like, is that sexy? Like when did that become sexy? Yeah. But like walking around, you know, you know, holding a green smoothie or like you

say, we're likely their tongues hang out of their mouths and the caption is just dropping the kids to school. Right. And you're like, that's absolutely not what it looks like dropping your fucking kids to school. That's not how. and that's kind of why I started doing it, right? Cause it's like, magazines are a pain in the ass and make us all hate ourselves. And now there's this social media that kind of seeps in without us knowing. I was like, no, I'm going to poke fun of that. I actually started doing it before videos were available on Instagram. Oh, I've been doing this shit for a long time, when it was just photos, yeah. Yeah, well the videos really lend a little bit more context

to it because we were also just watching this episode you did of Drew Barrymore's show, where this is an issue that happens, we get calls about this all the time on this podcast about body image and how to, you know, everyone always, I can't get down to the size, I wanna get down and it's like, I always wanna give advice that is not about dieting, you know what I mean, I can't get down to the size I want to get down. And it's like, I always want to give advice that is not about dieting.

You know what I mean? I want to give advice about empowering yourself to accept the body that you're in and be happy about it and learn like how strong, healthy and vibrant you are and where your value comes from because it's not your body image that is paramount to everything. You know, I spent so much time in my youth and early twenties,

no, all of my twenties, just obsessing over what I looked like. And what a fucking waste of time that is. Obsessing over being thin, just, and I know I'm 42 now, so getting into the sexy perimenopause vibes, which is a real riot. And how it's like, no,, no ladies, you don't need to just do cardio anymore. What you need to do is lift weights. And I think I wish I fucking knew that earlier about how important it is to be strong and healthy, not just scared and skinny at all times.

So it's like skinny, but grateful because you can fit into clothes. And that body image stuff, it's all encompassing. It really is. What was that quote? Kate Moss's quote, nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. That's exactly it. That's it. She set us up for this demise that we're living in.

Yeah, thanks Kate. We'll blame her for this. Absolutely. But it is important. I mean, I think you're a pretty great example of being a normal size and exploiting that. And know, and talking about where your value comes from because you talked about that on Drew Barrymore. So I'd love for you to say a little bit about that. Well, how, how I look is the least interesting thing about me.

And I've always kind of known that. Like I've never been, I look fine, but I haven't really cared. Do you know what I mean? I remember when I was younger than my mom said to me who were going out, I don don't know if it maybe was a school thing and school was a bag of dicks for me. So I probably didn't want to go and mum got me something nice to wear. And I was like, oh no, I don't want to do it. And she said to me, you are scared to look nice. You are scared to actually look good because you think you can only do one and you can't do the other. And when I was younger, of course, I was like, fuck you mum, you don't know me. I look beautiful. You know, I was always defensive,

but as I got older, I was like, I think that's right. I think I'm like, I know, I just have to know my currency is my sense of humor, my personality, all those sorts of things. People, you know, I'm very open with people and I'm not allowed to kind of be pretty, but as I got older, I was like, I really think my currency of being funny and kind and cutting through shit is a really beautiful thing. And it makes me feel like kind of really gorgeous in that world. And, you know, it's fucking tricky

because we want to point at someone to blame them, but it's everywhere. Society we want to point at someone to blame them. But it's, it's everywhere. It's society just looks at women and goes, if you look a certain way, then certain doors will open for you. If you don't look a certain way, all the best. Sorry about that. So like even the body positive movements, like they put Ashley Graham on one catwalk and they're like, brilliant.

We've ticked that box. You know, we're being inclusive now. I never, like, I never started this to get caught up in the body positive movement. I'm very happy for that movement to pick me up but I kind of always did it just to make people fucking laugh and just to see how absurd it is and I did this thing in my first stand-up tour had a section in my show. I just want to say that the heavy panting is Celeste's vagina. I don't want you to think that that's me or anything. They've heard that before. We have Mimsy on the sofa today, Catherine's dog.

Yeah, breathing heavy about the voice. If you're hearing anything, that's what you're hearing. No one's listening to me. The fuck is going on in the background? It's like a doggy porn is being shot. It's a whole other demographic for podcasts. Sorry to interrupt you. No, please. In my first show, I did a section,

brave versus empowering. So when I would post a photo, whoever the model was, I'd look on that and underneath a lot of it, you know, because they're not usually wearing much, it'd be like, oh, that's really empowering for women. Yeah, look at us, but we can get out, get our tits out and look amazing. And then when I do my parody and put my photo next to it, everyone said how brave it was. Like how brave she is for putting that body out into the world. So a gorgeous model does it and it's empowering for women. Then I do it. It's like, oh God, the children. It's so brave of her. I was like, that's not fucking brave.

Yeah. We have to redefine a lot of words in society these days. I remember breaking my arm when I was a little girl and them telling me at the hospital how brave I was. And I'm like, I didn't try to break my arm. I didn't try to do it on purpose. I didn't run in front of a car to save another kid. I fucking fell over my dog. Like, there's nothing brave about this.

But even at eight, I was like, that's not the right use of that word. Yeah, and why, and always with women and girls, you're being so brave. It's like, no, you were just fucking uncoordinated. You fell over your dog. It's not brave. Yeah, yeah. You also said something on Drew's show that I loved, which is your husband is a tree,

what is the word? Not an arborist. He's an arborist. Oh, an arborist, okay. And you were talking about what that means, you know, that he gets up and trims trees and, you know, takes care of trees. But you said that you've retired him. And we both loved that because we were like, thank you.

Like, that is exactly right. You love that. He fucking loves that. He absolutely loves that. Handsome husband is her husband and he is handsome. I've met him in person. We saw each other in Sydney. Celeste and I have had a burgeoning friendship

for many years. We keep running into each other in different parts of the world and they were nice enough to come to my show, one of my shows in Sydney. Right. And he is very handsome. And I was like, I was like, good for you.

Like I love this reverse dynamic, which is sadly to say a reverse dynamic as we speak. Absolutely. And he is incredible about that as well. We have, you know, groups of friends where the couple, the husband is, you know, well, he's a like a surfer or professional surfer, but his wife has been looking after those children, taking them around the world on these world tours and stuff. But Arpi even, that's my husband's name, Arpi even points out that he gets so much more of an audience as being a stay at home dad than our friend does for being a stay at home mom. Like

they'll be like, that's so amazing. So hang on, you do the lunches for the boys every morning? That's amazing. And he's like, yeah, my friends, like the sort of those ladies over there, but there's just no audience for it. And people always say, how lucky I am. I'm so lucky to have him. I'm like, bitch, I fly in business class everywhere he fucking goes. He's just lucky. Yeah, and you're also fucking flying around the world

doing your thing and busting your ass. It is so funny how imbalanced the reward systems are for men who stay at home. But I mean, I'm hoping that will change even in the face of what we're dealing with politically, because women are the reason why this election happened the way it is because men, I believe, is because men are so threatened anyway by women's success. And it's like, you can be as threatened as you want, we're still succeeding. There are too many women that are like paying for their families and that are the bread winners. Absolutely. And there are many women that are single that are doing it, that are choosing

not to have children and that's a huge threat to men. Yeah and that's fine be threatened but just move go over there and be threatened like get out of the fucking way and be threatened so we can just keep going. Yeah let's talk about your also you came when you were launching your makeup line, Bui. Yeah. Bui Beauty. She has a great makeup line that she just launched and it just launched here in the States as well, if you're listening nationally. If you're listening domestically.

On the local radio in Arkansas. If you're listening to this on AM stereo, that's how my father used to go say AM stereo. He's like, turn on the stereo. I'm like, where are you from Philadelphia? Anyway, my favorite product is that eyebrow enhancer. Bring back the bush. Oh yeah, he brought back the eyebrow bush.

Yeah, because the 90s fucking stole them. The 90s stole them. And also once you're dealing, once you hit 45 or 40, your eyebrows all of a sudden turn into, I don't know what. I mean, Wispy little, same with my fucking hair. What's that? It's like all my hair has now started growing out of my face and my fucking

neck and not on my head. Like it's thinning and it's not feathers. I like the idea of neck hair. It was like goiter hair. It's, I'm, and that thing where I, the other day I was standing and I was like, oh, this is really nice light. And my husband went, yeah, hang on. And walked over and just like went yoink and pulled in one and out of my neck. And I was like, I didn't ask for fucking feedback. He goes, you needed the feedback before you film yourself. You've

got these long luscious locks that come out of my neck. I know my sister's always goes like this. My sister, Shana, always goes like this. She's always feeling for her whisker to come in. And I'm like, can you stop rubbing your beard? Like come to think of it, I just spent the weekend with her on the East coast and she wasn't doing that. So maybe she learned her.

I was like, you pluck your hairs before you come out. She probably got someone to shave her face before you turned up. But you know, no, they're the thicker ones, you know, you know, the black ones, not the little like, I shave my face all the time with an eye razor. Right? First of all, it's a great exfoliant.

It's so good. But then it gets a little bit. I actually did it before I came over here. Got a little bit of a little bit of stubble there. Now I was talking to a friend the other day and I thought she just had like a little eyelash here and I leant over and went and pulled, but it was connected and it was like a long line and I went, oh, that's connected. I'm sorry. And it was like really long and white. She said, was it was connected. It was like a long line. And I went, oh, that's connected. I'm sorry.

And it was like really long and white. She said, it wasn't there last night. It's here this morning. I didn't know it was connected. The joys of aging as a woman. Yeah. You need good friends. But no hair on my eyebrows. So that's why, yeah, bring back the bush.

Got to draw the bastards back in. How long did it take you to develop your brand to create it? And well, it's been in my head for a long time, but you know, breaking news, ADHD. So I kind of, I couldn't, I couldn't get it out of my head. I was kind of at a point where I was like, I'm happy just to go to parties now for the next five years and be like,

I've got a really good idea for a makeup brand and do fuck all about it. And then I met Claire, my business partner, and she was like, you're a lot and made it happen. So I reckon we've been developing for about a year and a half, two years, getting it all together. That's great to get something off the ground. I mean, I've tried to develop things in the past and I've lost interest halfway through. This is too long. I'm exactly the same. It's taking way too long. I don't care. We launched when I was doing a world tour, which was great because already I was like, do we really want to do a makeup brand? They're like,

we've sunk a fair bit of money into this idiot. Yes, we're going to do it. I get really bored of stuff as well. So, and so what was your impetus? Like what was your ethos behind the brand? Well, I wanted it to be makeup that you just, you can't fuck up because I find, like I said, I'm 42 and the only thing kind of in the makeup space in the beauty space now for women over the age of six is like anti-aging serum or anti-aging cream. Like there's nothing really directly targeted at us. It's like we just, my 11 year old niece, it's all for her. And I wanted to make it uncomplicated and nothing that you need to watch a 75 minute makeup tutorial to understand. Like I love makeup. I have a face for makeup.

So I want to, I really do. Which was great when I was younger, right? Because at school, you know, I look like a slapped ass, but then for a year 12 formal, I rocked up with makeup. People are like, damn. And I was like, yeah, you're pulling me now. That's right. I've got it going on.

So I fucking love makeup. And I wanted to, it's, we've started with just five products and I just use every single day all the time to get you out the door for busy moms. For I heard someone say the other day that when you're in your 40s, like 40 onward, you're moving into your invisible era. I don't want that. Like I just feel like I'm getting more excellent now. I remember you saying that once. You're like, you've never been in better shape in your life. You've never been stronger, more successful. And that's exactly how I feel.

So, and it's for, it's for like Wendy and Wichita, who's listening on the stereo. It's for those girls who come to my shows all around the world. They're like placeholders for everyone else in their life who are going, Oh, well, I've just used the same stuff forever because I don't understand. I'm like, no, no, I got you. This is fun, easy and makes you, it's all about like the best version of you. That's what I'm interested in, the best version of you. And that's what Bowie does.

Yeah. And it's also low maintenance because I'm not into like, I like five products because if I'm not on camera, even for this podcast, like, you know, I slept on some blush and some lip balm and I'm like, let's just hope for the best. And I think that's what most of us do. Right. I can't be bothered with all of the shenanigans around makeup and all of the stuff. It's like taking supplements. I don't want to do that either. You know, I just rather get a shot a

week with everything in it and be done with it. I'm exactly the same. My kids were given all these supplements a while ago and trying to give kids fucking tablets. I was like, you're gonna have that at six AM, you're gonna have that at five, you know, and all these things. And I just said to my husband, let's just not give them anything and we'll pay for a fucking kidney transplant or whatever when they're 16. I'd rather that I'm not doing this shit. How old are your boys now? 10 and 13. Do they respect you? No. You just answered your own question. No, I'm a lot for them.

No, they don't respect me. They love their dad. Do they think you're funny? More and more now. Oh, more and more. Because usually they go through a phase between those ages or around those ages where they start to think probably like 13 to 16 more where they are like, you're not funny, you're not cool. That's the age of that, right? Where they turn on you. Yeah, exactly. They're kind of getting there a little bit more. My kids don't have social

media and hopefully they never will. They don't have a game or anything like that, really. That's lucky. Your husband doesn't- I'm really full on about it. Oh, you are? Like, I'm really fucking full on about it. So how do you- I'm just, no, I don't wanna- And for you.

I have a really overactive brain and, you know, having ADHD, low dopamine, so this thing just fucks me as it is. I don't want that for my kids. We've just always been really full on about it and kind of feel like it's easier to say no from the beginning then give it to them and try and take it off them because they become fucking heronetic monsters if you take it from them. So my kids are the poor kids when we go out

for dinner with friends and all the other kids are on their phone, my kids come and sit down and go, I want to play you know, I make them take cards and they all the kids end up playing but we're just quite, you know, it's pronounced uno right? No, it's you know, I make them take cards and they all the kids end up playing, but we're just quite, you know, it's pronounced uno, right? No, it's you know, just so you know, so many more syllables. That's what you guys like. What game are you peasants playing in Australia? But how did they respond? Like, well, their friends are on social media.

So my oldest son came home a few weeks ago and was like, mom, my friends have found you on TikTok. And I was like, are you good? You all right? And he goes, well, it's just weird. I was like, yeah, you don't need to get it. That's okay. But it's what I do and you'll be fine. And also, and then he's like, oh, I don't know. It just makes me feel weird. I'm like, well, I kind of know Kevin Hart. And he's like, oh yeah, that's better. Like if I say that, if I drop a name, he's like, it's fine, it's fine. So you just have to play with it. But how do you justify you having social media

as a profession and them not even being allowed to be on it? Work. I say it's work. Yeah, which it is for me. I'm hoping that we have been so full on about it that they have almost kind of missed the time of being obsessed with it. It's not like a known thing to them because that's what it is, right?

It's just a fucking habit picking up your phone. So I'm hoping that that has passed for them. But look, they'll, they have phones and everything, but they, I ask them as well to call me out sometimes if I'm on my phone, I'll get them to say, mommy, you working or no? And I'll be like, oh shit, I'm not. And I'll get rid of my phone. Cause I just go into a vortex or I just lie and go, yeah, I'm working. I'm not. I keep waiting. Like, I guess this is kind of like similar analogous to the Kardashians. Like I kept waiting for it to end and it just kept going and going. Like I kept waiting for social media for there to be like a backlash on social media. Like no more. Everyone understands how damaging the impact of it is and what we're going to

do. I mean, what we should do as a society, which is like to take a break, you know, it's like all this misinformation, all this conspiracy theory bullshit, but that would require, require like an enlightenment, you know, throughout like a global enlightenment and we're definitely not there. No, I think, I mean, I've been here for a week or so now. But I think I saw online that in at home in Australia, we're bringing in our Prime Minister's bringing legislation that kids under 16 are not allowed to have social media. Oh, that's incredible. I don't know how you police that. Another reason to move to Australia. Another. Yeah, but don't tell everyone to move to Australia.

No, I wouldn't. I'm just saying. We'll ruin it. Yeah, please not. There's so many places you can go. Yeah, so I think they're looking to bring that in. Again, I don't know how you fucking police that. But some of the younger people too are like not using social media. That's what I mean. They're either 14 hours a day or nothing.

Yeah. And I think if you can get past the window of it being so, like I have three nieces and they're on social media, but they're not addicted to social media. Like they don't post, they post once in a while. You know what I mean? And I like that cadence more. Yeah, they don't post much.

This is the thing. They don't kind of post much. The kids I've noticed, the youngins, like the teens, early, early 20s kind of, they're not posters. It's like the 20 year olds that post and so those young ones are watching their stuff. My, my stepdaughters are 25 and 23. And the 23 year old doesn't post, she might post once every six weeks because she

went out to a party or something, but they're not active on it, which I don't know if I love because just being passive on it and watching it and just infiltrating everything you do, I think that can be a bit more dangerous and actively partaking in it. Yeah. Do you have one of those limits on your phone where you like, but ignore, ignore, ignore. My friend was like, you can put a limit. And I was like, you need to tell me we could fucking ignore the limit. Yeah.

Every time the limit comes up, it says 15 minute limit. And then the biggest, brightest blue button under it says, ignore. You go, ignore. You go ignore. It's just easier. How was your tour this summer after I left you after I saw you? Was it the summer? Yeah, I saw you after my tour. I was here May, June.

Fucking great. But you did an Australian tour after. I did an Australian tour in New Zealand. Fucking great. Do you love being on tour? Love it. What do you have? I'm getting better at it as well

because I try so many different ways of doing having kids, right? And living in Australia and having touring over here. I can't just do weekends. I'd love to do Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or like, you know, how you do it, but I can't and we're not moving over here. So I just have to. Why not? What's the problem great. I don't understand. What's the problem? Why has something happened? Is there not an amazing reason to move here? Have I missed something?

Fucking hell. It's terrifying. So yeah, I just kind of come over and bang it out over six weeks when I'm in America. So when I go home to Australia, I do try and do the Thursday, Friday, Saturdays and come home and I love it. I love live performance. That's nice. I know.

I know. And it's also nice. It's also nice that cadence. Cause you can, you know, you work on the weekends, you come home, you recover one day, it takes a day or two to recover from the travel and whatever you got up to. And then you go back out. It's kind of like the perfect schedule.

Yeah. I just wish I could do that over here or make the same money I make over here at home. Right. But you know, no, but I love it. Okay. On that note, we're going to take a break and we'll be right back with Celeste Barber. And we're back with Celeste Barber.

She's our very special guest all the way from the Gold Coast, right? That's where you live? Kind of south of the Gold Coast. I'm still unclear about where. I like that though. I like people being unclear. That's where you live? Kind of south of the Gold Coast. I'm still unclear about where. I like that though. I like people being unclear. That's fine with me. It's fine with me. I saw someone actually when I was home, I was in a shop in Sydney and she was like, what are you doing? No, actually I was in a shop near where I live. She goes, what are you doing here? And I went, Oh, I live around the area. And she went, no, you don't. I went,

what? And she goes, no, you don't. You live in LA. And I went, all right, I'm just visiting. I've just come here to visit. Sure, let's go with that. That reminds me of this book I read once, Rebecca Solnit. It was called Light in the Dark, or Finding Light in the Dark, or something. Anyway, it was very profound book about being a woman, but it starts out with this chapter about,

and this is different because it's a male and female dynamic, but she wrote, she starts out with this chapter about, and this is different because it's a male and female dynamic, but she wrote, she starts out with this chapter talking about how she was at a dinner party and this man came up to her and was telling her about her own book, quoting her book, saying like, you should really read this book. It just came up naturally in conversation. She's like, I actually, I wrote that book.

And he was like, no, you didn't. And she's like, yes, I wrote that book. Uh, and he was like, no, you did it. Oh, wow. She's like, yes, I wrote that book that you're telling me that the one that you're mansplaining to me about, I fucking wrote when you're telling me the plot line about, I wrote that also. Do you find this when people will probably not with you, but in the street, when they go, Oh, hi, I get this a lot. People like, where do I know you?

I find that to be the most annoying question. Um, well, and they go, did you go to so-and-so school? And I'm like, don't do this. It's not how you know. She goes, no, hang on a minute. You're a few years ahead of me. And I've like, this is going how I fucking hoped it to go for you. But then someone goes, no, no, that's right.

You work in that cafe down the road from me. I was like, yep, I do. And I've just had to go for you. But then someone goes, no, no, that's right. You work in that cafe down the road from me. I was like, yep, I do. And I've just had taking the summer off, see ya. People tell you how they know you. And you're like, no, don't do this to us. Last weekend, I was in New York City and I got in the elevator with this couple. As I was walking into my hotel,

I could see that she was like ogling me and probably recognized me. So we get in the elevator and she and her husband are both like staring at me. I'm on my phone actively pretending to be on my phone. You know, like, please don't interact. I'm not in the mood for this kind of interaction. I can already tell you're going to be annoying.

You know, and she goes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're from Toronto. And that was it. And I went, what? And she goes, we're from Toronto. How do we know you? As if, like you have to understand

when you say something like that, what am I supposed to do next? List my credits? Well, you may know me from this. You may have seen me on the Drew Barrymore show. Like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, it's so stupid. Like, and she goes, it's just killing us.

I go, it's not killing you. You just walked inside from the lobby into the elevator And we're in this elevator In three minutes nothing is killing you about this situation You could have easily ignored it and just never figured out who I was Or made it up, make it up But now I'm just like I'm Chelsea Hamer and that's it That's all you get and you figure it out from there if you're not familiar

And was she like no you're not Chelsea That's not who you are. She's like, Elizabeth Banks. Okay, we're gonna take some callers and questions and we're gonna give real life advice. This is what we do here. Save the fucking world. That's what we do, let's go.

Absolutely. Let's get the party started. Well, Heather writes in and she says, Dear Chelsea, I'm an avid listener and a long time fan and I can't wait to see you in Vegas thinking of going for my future ex-husband's birthday. Oh, love it. I've been married for almost 20 years and we have two children adopted from foster care. A few months ago, I was out of town with the kids and he welcomed an online hooker into our home. And when he passed out drunk,

she stole my jewelry and makeup. He proceeded to blame the kids for stealing it, lied about it for days until I found the deleted text on his phone. I knew damn well a woman stole the things because it was so precisely done. I should thank her for the evidence. He wants to quote, fix things, but I am not down for that. We've had many prior conversations regarding infidelity and my firm stance of not tolerating it. So needless to say, I am done. Our immediate family and close friends know what's going on. My kids and I are in therapy. So my question is this, how do I tell others, mutual friends, coworkers, my long-time patients,

I'm a physical therapist, when they say, how's the family or how are you? And I'm not sure what to say. The honest answer feels too raw for some people, but acting like nothing is wrong feels ick also. What's the middle ground? Thanks for your advice, Heather. Oh Heather. I know, I know. Well first of all you don't owe anyone the explanation. I understand that I desire to want to be truthful and transparent when you're going through something because it's like when someone says how

are you and you're about to break down and you're like I'm good, you know, I understand what the desire and you have, and you have every right to also be transparent to the degree that you're comfortable with. So you can easily just say, we're actually gonna separate, you know, we're separating without giving them, and your doctor's not gonna be like, what happened?

You don't have to say, I caught him with an online hooker who stole my jewelry. Although that's gonna be a good story later down the road. See, I would, I would say that. That is my advice. I know Heather did not write into me, but she's written, that would be my advice. Heather has taken too much time looking after other people.

I think she should say to her gynecologist, I'm happy you asked. He's a piece of shit. Wearing fucking Vegas, he gets some hooker, she steals my shit, he blames the kids, and now I'm here, how's my cervix? I would just say it outright. That's also an option.

Also an option. There's really no losing way to deal with this situation. Don't worry about how other people feel about it. You don't have to tell people. Yeah, and I agree. When you're going through some sort of like, malstrom of emotion like that, and you're dealing with the breakup of your marriage, like the last thing you have to worry about is how other people are viewing you. Who gives a shit?

And like, yeah, take this as a new license in life, like our new lease on life. Like you're moving forward and this is your attitude. Fuck off. Yeah, fuck off. Yeah. Mm-hmm. All right, Heather, there you have it.

Well, our next question comes from Amanda and she's gonna be joining us here. Brad, we have Amanda, right? She comes out from the kitchen. joining us here. Brad, we have Amanda, right? She comes out from the kitchen. Amanda says, welcome Amanda. Dear Chelsea, my name is Amanda and I'm currently in my 13th year in public education. While I'm financially stable, I am unequivocally unhappy.

In an effort to change up my routine and job role, I've transitioned from classroom teacher to instructional coach and back again a couple of times, but to no avail. Despite the knowledge that I'm doing important work, I've lost my passion. I feel as though I'm at a personal crossroads and need your guidance. Since I was young, I've always wanted to be a writer. I dabbled in music journalism in college and have done some freelance work. Though I haven't been published in quite a while and my writing is basically confined to journaling, I can't shake the feeling that now would be a great time to reignite that passion and challenge myself to completely shift my career trajectory. At almost 41 years old with a wealth of education

and life experience, it seems like there's no time like the present. I can't fail them taking a pay cut, especially being a single woman living in San Diego, the lone walking away from the only constant in my life for the past 13 years. So where do I begin? I'm trying to get back to structured writing time, connect with friends who are already successful in the industry, and even have the opportunity to reconnect with a former writing coach. I guess I'm just hoping for some insight from someone who I admire and respect.

How do you hold yourself accountable and practice the self-discipline needed to be a success in this field? How do I pursue this avenue that lacks job security? My next steps feel murky and for the first time in my life I'm scared to take the leap. Amanda. Hi Amanda. Hi. First of all it sounds like you're doing all of the things that you need to be doing to get the party started. Yes and since I've written in I've essentially given myself permission to exit this profession. I started to realize how emotionally drained I've been at the end of every work day, left

no room to try to focus on this creative endeavor. So I've been very aggressively looking for new work that will just pay the bills, but let me focus on my personal hobbies and where I'd like to kind of go professionally. Yeah, like under the assumption that the writing isn't gonna pay dividends right away, right? You need something to like tide you over while you're exploring the writing.

Right, exactly. So do you know what that's gonna be? Or is that one of your questions? Well, that's just kind of still, I've actually been working with a job coach to like update my resume and because applying for jobs is so different than it was 13 years ago that I've had to do a lot of kind of work on that end to get the applications out there.

So that's what I'm just trying to be really focused on doing so I can get to a better place where I'm not so miserable going to work every day. Absolutely. That's not that's not going to give you any energy to be creative. Right. Exactly. So now it's just kind of like continuing to put that out there and just starting to like build in some structured writing time. I guess like my big questions are kind of like how to hold yourself accountable for something that's like seemingly done in isolation? Well, easily. I mean, it's kind of like everything you do in isolation, like whether you meditate, whether you like do your positive affirmations, whether you like I do all of those things. I

exercise alone, mostly I have a trainer, but that kind of feels like I'm alone anyway, because of his personality. but I do with writing. I'm not a big person about structure. When I'm feeling motivated or inspired, when I read something really great, that makes me wanna write something. So my creativity, I should say, comes in bursts. It's very unstructured.

I have a new book and that took like three years because I started one place, I changed it many times. But I think for someone who craves structure and Celeste, obviously chime in whenever you feel like because she's a creative too. I didn't even introduce our special guest, Celeste Barber. I'm sorry. Hi, Deli.

But I would suggest schedule yourself. Like if you sit down for even if it's 30 minutes a day, it sounds like you're gonna be wanting to even write more than that. You're going to be wanting to write for an hour, a couple of hours a day. Once you start doing that daily, like you where you put your phone away, you put your stuff away and you just sit at your desk or whatever place that gives you the most inspiration in a structured way. Really put yourself in there, set your alarm somewhere in the house for two hours later,

and sit there and like the act of creativity begets the act of creativity. Once you start writing, like whatever, like if I have to write a new hour for standup, whenever I film a special, whenever we film a special, you have to write another new hour of material. Like whenever I have to write new material, I'm like, ugh, ugh, it's like a hurdle. It's what am I going to write about? What am I going to

talk about? Absolutely. And I'm the same with you. My creativity and like when I wrote my book, again, it came in bursts. So, you know, it'd be dinner time and I'd be like, Oh, right, so I'd sit at the kitchen bench while my husband did everything. And I'd be like, I've got it. It just kind of came. But then for my last hour, for my new tour that I'm doing, I did exactly what you're saying. I just set a timer. I literally set a timer.

I took the kids to school, set a timer for three hours in my office and was like, I'm not moving from here. It doesn't matter kind of what you're writing. But then you find with that structure and being a creative that even after it could be after 10 minutes after an hour and a half, you're like, oh no, there's real flow here. You just, you just have to make yourself do it. Yeah.

Yeah. And allotting a certain amount of time is a very good way to just kind of, you get in the habit of it because then before you know it, you're spending more time doing it. I'm always writing in my notes section too, like little ideas for things, or could be a good joke or this is a good punchline or whatever, you know, those will happen throughout the day, you know, and the more honed in you get on creativity, the more creative you become. So I think everything that you've said you've done, it's like most people haven't done all those things. So you're already like more than halfway there. And I think what follows is gonna be

just a very natural progression for you. Okay, thank you. Are you already doing that? I am, no. In terms of the creative writing, I'm not there yet. What do you wanna write about? Right now I'm kind of looking more like on the novel side, kind of just like leaning from some personal life experience,

but writing, trying to fictionalize it a little bit more. And I think part of the hesitance with that is sometimes I have to go to really painful, dark places to get that out. And while I know the end product is catharsis, when it comes to just like getting it out there, I think sometimes when I'm like, I have to go there, I kind of like try to keep it out in arm's length

and almost avoid. Well, I would, I can speak from experience that you want to get as close to all of that stuff as possible, because that's where all of your, you know, your personal stories, I mean, you can't lose with that stuff as possible because that's where all of your, you know, your personal stories, I mean, you can't lose with that stuff. And while you might think it's going to be scary or something hard to, difficult emotions to face, once you face those emotions, you realize how much you overestimated your own security now. Like when you're looking back at something, you can be

fearful of it. And then once you face face it you realize you have nothing on me And it's quite cathartic to write about the pain that we experience in our lives And I find as well the thought of writing about it or the thought of dealing with it in a creative sense Is always much more terrifying and daunting than actually doing it in my experience because it's catharsis as you say. The idea of sitting down and having to dive into something is too big and so you avoid it but once you're in it, it can be very fulfilling. I'd also say do the easy chapters first. Do the fun light stuff first. Do even just start that structure idea of setting an alarm and write the nice fun stuff just to get yourself

into that routine and into that discipline before you have to go deep. Absolutely, thank you. How would you approach, you know, like obviously I'm thinking much longer term, like long run at this point, self publishing, reaching out to publishers, what might that process look like?

I think that this whole media world is so different. Everything is changing so fast. Everything is online. Everything is about striking a chord. It doesn't, like these old world publishers, like, yeah, they can be an advantage in many respects, but also people are self-publishing all the time. And the most important thing to do

is like to get a dialogue going with people. So to think about social media as a useful way for you to see out your career strategy, to use that, to use these platforms, whether you're writing little snippets every day of motivational things for people or funny little snippets of a couple lines of a funny story or an experience that happened to you at the grocery store, something that can relate to other people and get them interested in what you're giving them, you know? And then you're building an audience and you're building like a fan base almost, you know, of relatability.

So that, that kind of gives you more of an avenue if and when you do decide to self publish. But in terms of reaching out for publishers, you just kind of have to knock on doors and try to get yourself a literary agent. I don't think that's the only way to do that anymore. I agree with social media. Absolutely. There's an audience for everything now, an audience for everything and anything now. And yeah, kind of teasing it out. Then you get people, followers who are like, oh, actually that resonates with me and they follow along and they want to know more. And yeah, then you build an audience

and you don't always have to do it the traditional way anymore of going to a publisher. And you always have to know that there is an audience. When you're talking about your point of view about something, there's always an audience. You know, like don't underestimate the value of that because if you're sharing your personal life, there are always going to be other women, whether they're in the same area as you or in the same age group as you like

somebody I think of is Caitlin Murray. Do you know Caitlin Murray? She talks about just what a pain in the ass it is having children while she still loves her children and she's developed this huge following which led to a book which led to she has her own podcast now. You have to figure out like what your currency is, right? Big Time Adulting is her Instagram. And this woman is really fun and has three children and is just like, you know what they never told you about parenting? You know what they never said?

Is that when you drop your fucking kids off, you just wanna sit in your car and smoke a joint for three hours, you know? Like, and how unkempt her life is. But she's a great example of finding that niche that is going to register with other people and resonate with other people, and then building from there.

And if you're talking about writing fiction, you know, maybe there's cute little like stories you can tell about your daily activities or interactions that you've had with people. Just really start to think about like, what kind of messages are you trying to send out? You know, what is your kind of hook to get people? And it might take a while,

but you'll be surprised at how easily you can grow something when you're sharing parts of yourself with other people, because everyone kind of wants that, you know? People want to hear other people's stories. They want to hear other people's trials and tribulations. And it takes a lot of work. Don't be disheartened by that. Don't think, oh, this is really, really hard. I probably shouldn't be. It's really fucking hard, I think, to have self-discipline, especially, you know, as a woman going, you don't have to ask permission to start an Instagram

account to start putting these quotes up like Chelsea saying, or to start reaching out. It takes a lot of work. And you can also even have an Instagram post where you post a video saying, hey, I'm somebody who's recently, you know, newly career free. I'm looking to develop a career in writing. I'm looking to develop a career in fiction writing. If anyone out there wants to join a group with me, where you can talk to other writers,

really put yourself out there. Because you'll be surprised at how responsive people will be in your community, and how many other people may be like-minded, or may know somebody who's like, oh, I can hook you up with this person. Yeah, I love that too, because I feel like having accountability partners is super important for me.

Otherwise, I'm like, oh, I got this. And then three years later, draft one, still in motion. Yeah, but definitely sit down and give yourself that allotted time. Whatever is doable and manageable for you, make sure you do that every day for at least five days a week for the next month. And I promise you by the end of the month,

you'll be spending more than your allotted time doing it. Perfect. And also good for you for quitting a job that's not fulfilling. Yeah, absolutely. Amazing. Absolutely, that's massive. Yeah, it's, I mean, we don't need to go there,

but I'm scared to see what's gonna happen in education in the next four years anyway. So I think now. Yeah, I don't blame you. Why, what's happened? Has something happened in America? No, nothing happened here. What's happened? She's from Australia, so she doesn't watch the news. She doesn't know what's happening? Has something happened in America? No, nothing happens here. What's happened?

She's from Australia, so she doesn't watch the news. Oh, really? She doesn't know what's happening. It hasn't been all over the Australian news either. What's going on? No, Australia's so too far away to know about America. I'm insane. Thank you for you to stay there.

All right, thank you so much, Amanda. Check in with us, okay? Bye. Well, thank you all so much. I appreciate your time today. Bye, Amanda. Good luck with everything. Thank you.

I will also send this to her, but Book Talk, I have heard, has been very helpful for a lot of authors. Book Talk. T.O.K. on TikTok. The books area on TikTok. I get all my recommendations from there. I know a couple authors who are like,

this is the way I've gotten my self-published novel out there. And they post about all kinds of stuff. A lot of people self-publish now. Yeah, yeah. So, well, our next caller is Sarah. She says, dear Chelsea, my brother proposed to his long-time girlfriend

over the summer and asked our parents to help fund the wedding. Pretty normal stuff, but I found out there's some tension about money, the wedding location, other details. Not super fun, but I guess that's typical for a wedding where everyone's a decision-maker. A while back, my brother's fiance called to let me know that they've decided to keep the wedding parties small.

Just two people on each side, and they wanted to make sure I was OK with not being part of the bridal party. Her sister and best friends are the two bridesmaids. I was honestly fine with it and I wasn't expecting to be included. They even asked me to be the witness when they signed the documents, so I felt I left the call feeling totally okay. Fast forward a couple of weeks, and my brother's fiance calls me stressed out. Apparently my dad has been sharing his opinion that it's incredibly hurtful and mean

that I'm not in the bridal party. He's even told her that even though I've said I'm fine, I'm just being nice and would never reveal how I really feel. My dad claims he only shared his thoughts with my brother, but my brother, but my brother's fiance showed me his texts and they tell a different story.

I get where both sides are coming from. Weddings don't look like they did in the 80s, but I don't agree with how my dad is handling it. I've been staying out of it, but we're still a year out from the wedding and this bridal party drama is creating unnecessary tension around an event that's supposed to be joyful. Should I step in or stay out of it?

Sarah. Hi, Sarah. Hello. How's it going? Hi, this is our special guest, Celeste Barber today. Hi, Sarah. How are you? Good. You look sweet.

Very sweet. First of all, weddings aren't fun. I'll just say that upfront. Someone who has had one, I mean, my wedding was the best. Everyone says that about their wedding, but I think you're right in not being a part of the bridal party. Being a part of the bridal party is an absolute pain in the ass. It's a nightmare. So I think you've made an excellent decision, especially now that you're still a year out from this wedding and already the bridal party has been picked. This seems like a little bit of a high maintenance wedding. I think you've done a very good job of staying out of it.

Well, it's not her choice to stay out of it. They've kind of just basically decided that she was going to stay out of it. But not having the shits about it, not going, but I want it, but I want it. I think it's very good to be like, great, I can actually wear what I want and get, you know, blackout drunk at the beginning. And how do you actually feel about not being in the wedding party? I mean, I'm honestly pretty indifferent. I don't think I really expected it. It's not like, it's not something that I just like, I'm aware of as being a tradition. Like I know that like I have some family who like would do that and like they'll have like a much larger bridal party but so many people I know are just doing things so differently

that my expectations were so low if non-existent. So well, that's very healthy attitude. I mean, okay. I mean, I think if it was like, yeah, I'm going to have eight people and like this girl I just met yesterday is also part of my bridal party, but I just can't include you, then I'd be a little concerned. But I'm not her sister or her friend that's known her whole life. So I don't really kind of expect to be in that to minimum.

So no, I think you're absolutely right on the money. I like I don't I don't like any drama like regarding stuff like this. It's so stupid. You know, like let people do what they want to do. But what did your dad write in the text that you saw to her? Oh, my God, I don't even I don't even remember off the top of my head. It was just very like you're just being very mean. We really don't like this.

We really don't like the way that it's setting the tone for the future. It was just like a long kind of paragraph. And he was like, you know, very insistent on like, no, I'm just trying to do this with my brother. He's just, I'm just trying to communicate with my brother. I'm not trying to like involve anyone else, but I'm like, but you literally sent a text to her. So now that she has a physical phone, she's a dad's got opinions. Wow. That's got big feelings. I was just kind of like surprised at the intensity. It's one thing to be like, oh, well, like for me, you know, my nephew's wedding, his wife had my cousin as part of the brawl party, but like, that's maybe one example, maybe just a few examples.

And you can't just rely on just a few examples as like the norm. And so I was... Yeah, but also your dad just should also chill out. He's like a nosy Nellie. You should, and you've talked to your father about this, right? I mean, a little bit. I mean, like he tried to get, you know, I kind of really just tried to stay out of it and really just tried to kind of like not respond for a while because I was just like,

I don't want to deal with this. It sounds like your dad wants to be a bridesmaid. That's what it sounds like. Sounds like your dad's pissed that he's be a bridesmaid. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like your dad's pissed that he's not a bridesmaid. Is your dad upset just at the fact that you haven't been asked to be a bridesmaid or is there other things to do with the wedding that he's also not stoked about? I mean, there's probably other things too. So it's probably just layered on top of it.

Like part of it's a destination wedding, you know, there's a lot of money involved, there's who gets invited, all of that stuff. And so there's, I'm sure, a plethora of other things. Well, a good way to nip it in the bud permanently would be to send them a text, your father and your brother and his fiance, a thread, and be like, hey guys, I noticed there's been some dissension about my involvement in the wedding and the wedding party,

and I just want you to hear it straight from me. I am completely indifferent, like what you just said, to being in your wedding party. There are no issues for me. So I wanted to make that clear. That's a great idea. To my future sister-in-law, my brother, and my father, who are all on this chain, this is not an issue for me. Because then what does your father have to say?

Then he has to complain about what he's really upset about, which is paying for this destination wedding. Exactly. And then he'll respond by just going, dad left the chat. Yeah, that's a good idea. It hasn't really been brought up lately, but you know, there's many months out, I'm sure it'll get brought up again. And so I feel kind of confident in Yeah, but I think your attitude is right on the money. Like don't get involved in wedding drama. Wedding drama is the most annoying drama. Especially destination wedding drama.

And all for this one day, you know, like I understand weddings are important to people, but it's like, just relax. It's so uncool when people get like their panties in a twist about it. It should be a celebration, not, yeah. It's a big party with an open bar. Like just have fun. Well, if you're lucky, party with an open bar. Like just have fun, right?

If you're lucky, it has an open bar. I had an open bar. I had a couple of people that invited me to weddings that didn't have an open bar, I guess they didn't go to that wedding. You didn't go to that wedding? You didn't bring your own party favors? No, sometimes I bring my own bar if I have to.

My cousin had a wedding. He's like, we're just doing beer and wine. I'm like, that will be my gift to you is the bar. Because if you're gonna have a wedding like that, I won't be there unless there's a bar. And you don't want people having beer and wine. Where does that get you is the bar. Because if you're gonna have a wedding like that, I won't be there unless there's a bar. And you don't want people having beer and wine. Where does that get you? Fucking sick of wine anyway.

Sick of people talking about wine. Anyway, so. Do you think she needs to like specifically talk to her sister-in-law at all and be like, no? You're not involved in this. Like if you want to, but I would just send a text to all three of them. So that way.

Snip it in the bud. It's like in writing, they can't keep talking about it. This was not sent under duress. Yeah, I don't know where this conversation came from, but I just want everyone to know where I'm coming from so that there's no confusion. I'm totally fine with this.

I'm happy you guys are getting married. I can't wait to go to the wedding. See you there, dad. Yeah, dad, have a day off. Yeah, dad needs to chill. Okay, take care. Awesome, thank you so much. She seemed like such an innocent.

She's so sweet. So sweet. And I love how she's like, I don't care. I'm so fine with it all. It's almost like, you know, when she was giving all the reasons, like, well, you know, cousins sometimes put their, and it's like, who told you that?

Like, it's almost like- And you dodged a bullet, girl. You dodged a bullet. Totally, being a bridesmaid is a pain in the ass. It's the worst. I know someone who had, I think 16 bridesmaids, because she didn't want to leave anybody out. That's a lot.

I don't have that many friends. I don't know 16 people. 16 of those stupid dresses. In my 42 years of being alive, I have not had 16 friends over that time. That's ridiculous to me. Total. Ridiculous. No, it was crazy, crazy, crazy.

Okay, well, let's take a quick break and we'll be back to wrap up with a little light one. Okay, we're gonna take a break. We're back now. We are back. So Caroline writes, and this specifically, I would love for Celeste to weigh in on, of course, you, Chelsea too, but.

Thank you for the opportunity. This might be a Celeste question. So, dear Celeste. Dear Celeste, I've been with my husband for 17 years and he's always had a strong body odor. The last few years though, it seems that it has gotten stronger. He's given up using standard aluminum-based deodorant

and only uses natural brands. I've run the gamut trying to help him find a good deodorant that covers his smell, but it just doesn't cut it. He has great hygiene. He showers once to twice daily, but he still stinks. He's also very sensitive and embarrassed about his BO, and I have to tread lightly when asking him nicely to change his shirt, put on deodorant, et cetera.

I think it may be related to stress or diet, or maybe it's just his genetic makeup. Regardless, it's hard for me to hug him or be intimate without wanting to hold my breath. It's that bad. Whoa. Please help. How can I get his stinky ass smelling better? Caroline.

Absolute red flag. If he wants to use natural deodorant, I would, my husband went through a phase where he's like, I want to just use natural deodorant. I was like, well, then you can go and find a nice pretty new wife. Absolutely not. And he doesn't have any body odor issues. He's delicious. But that is a absolute deal breaker for me.

I find it, has he, I wonder if he's been to the doctor. Is this something where he's getting into a doctor? Can you get like Botox shots? Well, not only that, but yeah, Botox shots, you can get under your arm, FYI, to stop sweating. But if he has a natural, like a strong odor that like that, it usually does have something to do with your pH balance or your diet.

So like he should go to a doctor and he should be proactive about this because you're his wife and you've been married to him for what, 17 years? A thousand years. So that's like, yeah. And I don't care if he's sensitive about it. Like you need to figure out a solution to this problem that you're having to endure

because your husband hasn't figured it out yet. And going to a non-aluminum based deodorant is not the answer. He's going to a studio apartment down the street. There's no way. And if you're getting to a point where you can't hug him because it's so gross, he needs to get that sorted out. I can't believe you've endured 17 years though, of like, of someone with body odor. I once dated a guy who's had body odor and I had, it wasn't, it wasn't body odor.

There was like a smell that emanated from him and it was, it was very strong in the morning and it was like, it was almost like his, he had a scent, like sometimes your pheromones don't match. You know what I mean? That's a thing. Yeah. Well, it's a little late to find out for her because it's been 17 years. I don't know if this is a pheromones thing. I mean, also get in the clothespin

and close your nose with it so that you do not have to breathe in his malodorous scent. Get one of those necklaces for essential oils. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to start exploring, but you need to go to a doctor and talk to somebody openly about him. I don't care if he's sensitive, he needs to get over that. Get it sorted out.

It's your wife. Yep. Okay. Okay, well on that note. Good luck. Okay, good luck, problem solved. Celeste, thank you for being here. You guys, she's a very successful comedian, author.

You've written a book, what was the name of your book? Challenge Accepted. Challenge Accepted. And you can also please look into her beauty brand spelled B-O-O-I-E. Buoy Beauty. That's it. Visit buoybeauty.com.

It's buoy.com. Buoy.com. Not to be confused with the other kind of buoy. Thank you, Celeste. Thanks for having me. It's nice to see you. Always love to see you. Love to see you.

Drum roll, Catherine, please. Chelsea Handler Abroad Abroad is my European tour. So I'm coming to obviously find a husband abroad. I need to get the hell out of this fucking country. And it's not as easy as you think. So I'm coming to Reykjavik. I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming to Reykjavik, I'm coming to Dublin, I'm coming to the UK, I'm coming to Brussels,

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