Dear Hank & John - 152: Thank You, Hot Fries!!

Episode Date: August 27, 2018

Are we living in a simulation? Are there other types of teeth? What should I do with this bowl? And more! Email us: [e-mail] patreon.com/dearhankandjohn

Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and John. Yours are for the Think of it Dear John and Hank. It's a comedy podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give me a Duby's advice and bring you all the weeks used from Mars and AFC Wimbledon. John, yes, did you know that you have an iron deficiency? How so? I can tell because your shirts are all wrinkly. Oh, it took me a second.

I've got it now. I'm still not laughing, but I have received the joke. Do you have good news from the world for me, John? Not only do I have good news for you Hank, I have an ongoing source of good news. I know that you have a Google home as I do. Mm-hmm. Starting now, if you ask Google Assistant, hey Google, tell me something good. Google will provide you with good news. Some piece of good news about how the world is getting better. Beekeepers in East Detroit bringing back the dwindling bee population,

Iceland curbing teen drinking with nightly curfews and coupons for kids to enroll in extracurricular activities, etc. I like the coupons for extracurricular activities, but come on, let the kids go outside. I wonder if you could do it by singing to it. I wonder if you say like, hey Google, it. I wonder if you say like hey Google tell me something good if it'll still work I mean there's only one way to find out I unfortunately I'm not in a room with Google home, but I will I will just say for people who's who are listening

Out loud in a room with Google Home. Hey Google, tell me something good. I think I actually like my version of singing that song better than I like your version. You know, it's not a competition, John. Not every singing has to be rated. But if you go to, if you go on my Twitter, I will post a poll, and people can say, which one they liked better. I was just pointing out that usually I'm overwhelmingly the lesser singer, and I think at least that time I was close.

I think you did well. I think you did well. All right. Yeah, good job. That's answers of questions for our listeners. It sounds like a good plan. I do love our opening bits, though. I had a good old time.

This first question is a real doozy and it comes from Kiki who asks, dear Hank and John. My name is Kiki and I recently broke up with my boyfriend of a year and a half. It was pretty rough and I ended up telling him that I didn't love him anymore. A couple of days later, Drake's in my feelings came out. So my question is, how do you make a wildly successful pop song less successful so that your ex-boyfriend doesn't have to keep listening to Drake singing Kiki? Do you love me approximately two million times a day? Best wishes Kiki, who sadly does not love you. This is awful. Okay, so full disclosure, Hank, I am not familiar with this tune.

Okay, so full disclosure, Hank, I am not familiar with this tune. Would you like me to perform it for you? Ideally not, but I'll ex- Kiki, do you love me? Are you riding? So you never ever leave from beside me, cause I want you and I need you. You could see how Kiki's ex-boyfriend would be upset by this being on the radio all the time.

I can't believe you haven't heard it. It's a huge big hit hit, and people get, they're in their car, and they get out of their car to do a special dance. That I don't even think was Drake's idea. I think that was like an internet thing. There's a special Kiki dance, and you have to be outside of your car,

walking with your car, because I guess you're riding, it's unclear to me, but it's a meme. Kiki, if I were you you I would change your name and Then call your ex boyfriend and say update Nicole doesn't love you now Yeah, or like find somebody else named Kiki to just go on just like just like be like look I'm not gonna date you but I did did want you to know that, like, I love all children of God, including you. Yeah, that's the other thing you could do

is make a best friend whose name is Kiki and then have them call your ex-boyfriend and say, I love you as a person, but just to be clear, not as a boyfriend. I don't like what you did to Kiki. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh gosh. There are those moments. This would be horrible, admittedly. I found that when I was exiting romantic relationships,

a lot of things would have to change in my life in order for me to go through the grieving process. Like I would have to completely stop listening to the music that we listen to as a couple. And I would also, in many cases, like have to move neighborhoods because I didn't wanna go to the same sushi restaurant anymore. I didn't wanna do the things that I had done.

But the truth is, Kiki, when you first break up with someone, like when you're first in that period of grief and loss and mourning, you don't need Drake to remind you because you're always the thing of the person anyway. Yeah, it's anything we'll remind you of them. But this does, it reminds me that there are these moments in our lives where we will feel as if the universe is conspiring against us. As if it was all a computer simulation in order to make us feel this feeling because otherwise

this seems impossibly vanishingly small probability for something like this to happen. But it had to happen to someone because there are kikis out there and they do break up from their boyfriends. It's a thing that was bound to happen, I guess, and it's sort of remarkable that we got to hear from one of them. Actually, what we need is a support group for all people who recently broke up with Kiki's. And the knowledge that, and it's not just now because it's gonna be for the rest of this person's life, because this song is a big enough hit

that it's gonna be playing on radio stations in 30 years if there are still radio stations, which of course there won't be, but whatever. And they will still have to be like, oh, I hate this song. And people would be like, why do you hate this song? Kiki, do you that? And they'd be like, no, stop. I don't want to talk about it. Those kinds of coincidences always remind me of my friend, Amy Kross, Rosenthal, who was fascinated by coincidence. And who often wrote that she understood that life was random and that coincidencees were not meaningful inherently, but that you could still make meaning out of

whatever you want to. And I think that's so true. And so maybe Keke's ex-boyfriend, maybe you can make some kind of positively meaningful coincidence out of this. I don't know. That's my only threat of hope. We do have another question about computer simulations though Hank. Oh gosh, I mean, I'm actually not surprised. I've been hearing a lot about computer simulations lately. The question is from Micah. Dear John and Hank, I was excited to find out that mystery socks are available at the DFTVA online store

and I immediately went to dftba.com to buy some and it was a great experience, but I have a question about birds. I mean, we should probably try to integrate more of our sponsors in this way. But the question, do the work of the sponsor promo. Oh, man, I really enjoyed the new game from Banana Grims, but I have a question about donkeys. I work at a coffee shop and it gets really boring, and this evening I was standing outside the back door gazing across a grassy field when I noticed a bird flying around, but then it stopped moving in the air, but kept flapping its wings.

It whipped like something had tied a string to its tail and was holding it back from moving. It was hovering like people do in those fake skydiving places. It was flapping its wings so hard, but going nowhere. And it looked kind of like a glitch in a video game. Is this a metaphor for the constant and ultimately pointless pursuit of meaning in our lives, or is this proof that we are living in a simulation? I'm not a rock or a book. I'm just Micah.

John, do you know what? It's so first of all, I say you're at your coffee shop and you walk out the back of your coffee shop and there's just a field with birds. This isn't how I picture most coffee shops. Where is this? Yeah, Micah, it might be that your work is boring because you're working in a coffee shop in the middle of a field. Like you might have located your business in the wrong location. Yeah, I mean, you might want to write a letter to your manager just saying like maybe we should have put it not in a field. Hey, the birds, the birds don't want coffee, Susan. The birds don't want coffee.

Listen, Susan, this is a crazy idea, but what if our coffee shop was accessible by road? Yeah, you don't have to drive an ATV to it. That would be great. It's a walk through three miles of corn. So there are some birds of prey, small birds of prey that do this, and they will fly looking for things that might be food, and then they will stop, and they can actually flap there over the thing before they go and get the thing, the rodent, or whatever it is that looked

tasty to them. So that's probably what's going on. Kestrels can do this. So probably what you saw was a castrel flying around looking for a snack, and it saw something that might be a snack, and it was hanging there looking, and seeing if it had a good, good line on this little piece of snack. Well, that's good news.

So it's not a glitch in the matrix, and we're definitely not living in a simulation, Micah, don't worry about that. I have started to not want to make jokes about living in a simulation anymore because I've started to see people who are like legitimately on the conspiracy train about being in a simulation. Oh, I think it's perfectly possible that we're living in a simulation. I just don't think it's an interesting line of inquiry. It's like asking how many angels you can fit on

the head of a pin. It doesn't matter. I think that it, so here's my, here's my hot take on whether we're living in a simulation. I think that knowing that I lived in a simulation would be interesting from a cosmological perspective of like trying to understand the nature of the universe, but it would not at all affect the way that I live my life. Because I might as well be living in a simulation, right? Like there is no objective meaning or value I apply all of that myself

and we do that collectively as a species and there's living things on this planet. And but like external to that, no, no, there's nothing there. So it's all on us anyway, whether it's a simulation or whether it's just a very complicated, weird, expanding bubble of space time. Yeah, no, I feel the exact same way.

In general, there are so many questions that the internet is obsessed with that I think are really, really boring. And that is one of those. That's just the internet job. That's just, that's how it's always been. People, I mean, we did our crash course philosophy and the amount of time we spent talking about how much time people spent talking about whether or not God exists is amazing. Another question, I'm a religious person and I

find that question so profoundly uninteresting. And all of that is a perfectly legitimate response to a question about birds. I guess is where we're at. John, life is ultimately meaningless and we're all going to die. What's our next question? It's not ultimately meaningless. We just make the meaning. All right, Hank, this next story comes from, no, I'm going to do two in a row.

Dear John and Hank, I'm sitting across from a sign for a dentist's office. And if I'm translating the sign correctly, I am living abroad. It says, they treat teeth of all types. Are there other types of teeth? Ah, well, I mean, animals. They may be the treat turtle teeth. Turtles don't have teeth. Maybe they treat giraffe teeth.

Turtles do have teeth. Turtles have teeth? Yes, hold on, turtles have teeth, right? Google? Right, Google? Now they have beaks. Dude, turtles have teeth. Hold on. Hold on. That's a neat question. I have raised turtles and I've never thought about that. Really? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I just don't actually care to look at them. I'm a big fan of turtles, but I don't like the way they look, so I just sort of like to be near them. John, turtles don't have teeth. I'm not giving up.

You go on with your answer, and I'm going to find a turtle with teeth. Well, John, I will tell you that the esophagus of a leatherback sea turtle is lined with papalai that are sharp and caratanized. So they are like teeth, lined with papi that are sharp and keratinized. So they are like teeth, but they don't go where teeth go. They're on the throat and in the cheeks.

And if you see a picture of it, you will make this noise. Ah! So there you go, the dentist in the country you're visiting treats turtle teeth like structures on the turtle tongue. Yeah. You know, characterized pepily. Oh man, I wish I hadn't Googled that. Guys, no matter what you do, never Google turtle tongue teeth.

Don't ever do it. Oh God. Oh, what's the noise, John? What's the noise you make? Oh, God. I Don't ever do it. Oh god. Oh What's the noise time? What's the noise you make? Oh god? Oh I don't like it. I don't like it at all. Oh god That's the do you know the other back seat turtles can eat 85% of their weight and jellyfish every day So how many jellyfish have like get 25% of their weight in jellyfish every day. So how many jellyfish have, like, get slomped by those things? Ugh.

Not enough. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. John is now a fan of the, the, the, the, the, the carat and I's pavilion, because now he knows that they, they remove jellyfish from the oceans, because you hate jellyfish. Down back on, geez. I'm back on team turtle.

Oh, man, I love jellyfish and turtles. It's the circle of life. This next question comes from Carolyn, who asks, dear Hank John, I live with my boyfriend, and I'm often the one who does the laundry in the house. As a result, I tend to find a lot of loose pocket change, which I add to my change jar. Of course.

I believe this is standard laundry practice that the person who does the laundry gets the loose change but i still feel like i'm siphoning often yes siphoning money off your boyfriend yes you're doing that is very absent-mindedly no change in his pockets what and also lots of tissues hank we're about to have our biggest fight ever

no you can this is just theft no it is not theft it is not theft. It is payment for services rendered. I just started a load of laundry, which contained two dollars and two tissues. Is this fair exchange? Yes. And what monetary quantity do I need to return? But what? No, this is stealing. Does he know? Is there an agreement in place? Have you signed a contract? Hank, if you're doing laundry,

anything that is left in the pockets of the laundry is yours. That's one of the like great organizing principles of the universe. Like if you don't want to lose your pocket change or by the way, a $100 bill or $47,000 in cash or whatever is in your pockets, then empty out your flippin' pockets before you put it in the dirty laundry basket.

Like anything you put in the dirty laundry basket, the person who does that laundry gets to keep. Hard stop. Mmm, dope. Oh, yes! No, so like there's this idea that this is some kind of established contract that you seem to think everybody knows about, but I clearly do not know about it, so not everyone knows about it. My only conclusion is that you've literally never been to a laundromat. What do you mean I've never been to a lot, like who does your laundry at the laundromat? You do your own laundry.

Nobody's gonna find somebody such in my pockets. In the many years when I lived with roommates, if I did their laundry or they did mine, whatever was in the pockets was 100% fair. Why did you do your roommates laundry? Because like crap would be lying on the floor and one person would do it or the other person would do it like Even would but when Catherine and I were dating I didn't take the money when I did her laundry

That was her money No, no, it's it's your money if you pull it out of your pockets before putting it in the Before putting it in the laundry It is the moment it hits the laundry pile and you don't do the laundry you lose all rights to that money. I mean I hear I hear that this is a rule that you can set up in your home but it is not a rule that is implicit in society but I will say John that I did do this to you when I did your laundry when we lived together,

and I felt bad about it every time. I knew that it was theft, and I just did it. All right, I completely absolved you of any guilt that you feel over stealing $0.40 for me when you were cleaning my pants. However, since we brought it up, I do not absolve you for selling my flipping baseball card collection on eBay without consulting me. Ah, I mean that was worse than the pants thing.

Yeah, it was considerably worse. You made like $800 off of my baseball cards that were a huge part of my childhood. You left them at the house and you just left them there. I didn't take them to my dorm room when I went to college. That's not the same thing as no longer wanting to own my Carl Yostrensky rookie card. It's sort of amazing that like of the things I've done, I've actually gotten not as much flack for that as I should have Like you you've been very kind about that over the years. I like I have feet I have friends I've lost over much less

Yeah, just to be clear. It's not even that it was that bad of a thing to do It's just that it was so weird. I don't know to be it speaks to your absolute obsession with turning things into money but Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you want to, it's just like, how do you, how am I gonna monetize my boredom? Because honestly, if you want to psychoanemize me, it's that I was bored, and I was like, how do I do something that will make my time seem worthwhile? Yeah.

Well, as like a 15-year-old, why don't I sell my brothers 4,000 very carefully organized baseball cards while he's working at Out Takes Restaurant in Home with Alabama? He's making this, you're making this sound, making this sound worse than it was. I don't know how many baseball cards there were, I don't remember any of this.

I plead the fifth. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. The statute of limitations is out on this one. I'm done. No more. Oh, wow. I will not submit to further question. I turned down the subpoena. Okay, this next, all right. Okay, we are well and truly off the rails.

This next question comes from Emmy who writes to your John and Hank. I recently deleted Twitter. Congratulations, Emmy. Due to reasons concerning my mental health. Yes, no, that's implied in the sentence. I recently deleted Twitter. But there are times when I miss it. Oh, Emmy, that's implied in the sentence I recently deleted Twitter. But there are times when I miss it. Oh, Emmy, all miss things that are bad for us, but we stop them anyway.

How do you think I feel about smoking cigarettes anyway? I was wondering if you could fill me in on everything I'm missing on Twitter. Also, what's Lin-Manuel Miranda up to these days? Oscars and Emmy. Very good name specific sign off. Lin-Manuel Miranda is wonderful. He's very sweet. He doesn't seem to interact that much with Twitter, except to say nice things on it for the most part, which is probably the right way to do it. What else are you missing? Boy.

Boy, I don't even know where to start there. People are confused and frustrated. Yeah. I mean, Emmy, I would, I'd stay off. I'm sorry, I was trying to answer your question, Emmy, but it required me to get on Twitter. And now I've been sucked into the vortex. I'm having a little trouble paying attention. Yeah, literally, like you asked the

question about Twitter and John and I are both like, what? Huh? What is it? I hate, like what did you say, John? I didn't hear you. I hate the way Twitter makes me feel and I are both like, what? Huh? What is it? I hate... Why'd you say John? I didn't hear you. I hate the way Twitter makes me feel and I hate the way it makes me act

and I hate the way it makes me interact, which is actually come to think of it not dissimilar to how I felt about smoking cigarettes for the last eight years that I smoked cigarettes. There is a, here's a little update, John. From Hank did not hear anything I I just said BpD. It's so, so very correct because I was looking at the Twitter feed for DeleteThis, which follows three people.

Yeah. DeleteThis follows Suzy Dent, the linguist, and Hank Green, the author of an absolutely remarkable thing. It comes out September 25th and is available for pre-order now. And we rate dogs. Right, so that Twitter feed, honestly, that's probably about what I'm looking for. I would argue that you could take Hank off of it.

Might be a good choice, honestly. I find a lot of Hank's tweets to be engaged in unhealthy ways with the feed. Honestly, if you go and look at my feed versus your feed recently, I think, uh, maybe in the last 24 hours, but I just deleted Twitter off my phone while we were having this conversation because Emmys' question made me realize that I think I'm done. Like, I needed to quit smoking, and there were a lot of people who were like, hey, you know what, you need to do quit smoking. And I would be like, yeah, no, I mean,

I probably should. I recognize it's not great for me, but that's it, I'm quitting smoking. I need to quit smoking, Hank. This is ridiculous. Like, why can't I be an adult about this? I quit smoking, I can quit this. Well, last, you know, John,

I have a podcast called Delethe's with my wife, where I talk about my connection with social media and through thinking about that, the thing that I can't leave behind is this feeling that this is how this is how the conversation is being had right now. And if people like all remove themselves from it, and I'm not saying like don't treat it in a more healthy way, don't like,, don't like change the way you think about it, both in terms of like your use of it and in terms of how you connect with people through it. But I feel like

if you just, if we leave the conversation up to everyone who is not thinking constructively, then, then like, what do we lose? Like, I might be wrong, but it feels like this is where that this is where the conversation is being had. And so like, we need to be where the conversation is. I think you're wrong. Over 95% of people do not post a tweet on any given day. 85% of Americans do not look at Twitter on any given day.

I don't think the conversation is happening on Twitter. I think our conversation is happening on Twitter. I think Twitter is very good at making us feel like a big, important, central conversation is happening on Twitter, but I just don't think that Twitter is essential to my survival. Now, I will get on it in September to tell everybody

to buy your book, and I will continue to use it for self promo, but I don't know. Something about Emmy's question really reinforced to me that it isn't making my life better, and it is harming my life. And I get something in exchange for that. Like, I understand what she means about like there are times when I miss it, but I don't get something in exchange for that. Like, I understand what she means about like, there are times when I miss it,

but I don't get enough in exchange for it for what it's costing me. Yeah, I think that's a decision that has to be made individually, but like, I do feel like, and of course, there is a tremendous amount of like, selection bias here. Like, of course, I feel like this is where I think the conversation is having because it's where I'm having

a conversation, but like, I do feel like they're, I need to be aware of how people are communicating right now and also need to be, ideally, in some way, a positive part of that communication. So for me, it's more like, how do I treat this in a more healthy way than how do I not use it? It's less cigarettes and more coffee, you know? Yeah, I'm not sure that for me, there's any safe dosage. Also, I need coffee.

Like, to me, it's not like, food is not a good comp. C'mon John, just to be clear, coffee is not like food is not a good comp. C-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c- from bowl recipient. This is an honest, I already know what this question is. Dear Hank John, my mother- I've been there bowl recipient. Mother-in-law is a fan of giving gifts that she would like. Without considering whether the person receiving it would like it, objects she has given me and various people include

giant glass orbs, giant commemorative coins, and the gift I received recently an oddly shaped, expensive decorative bowl. Parenthesis? Not giant. I don't know what to do with this bowl. I feel like putting things in it would be inappropriate. Due to its three-dimensional nature, it takes a lot of space when it's displayed as a bowl. Space I don't really have. I could get a mount for the bowl, but I worry that I would somehow display it incorrectly. I do not like this bowl. I cannot get rid of this bowl. Please let me figure out what to do sincerely bowl recipient.

I like that they didn't want us to use their name because their mother-in-law probably listens to the pod and would it's probably right now like well I mean it's a good thing that my daughter and law loves bowls. She doesn't have any problems with the bowl I've given her. Right. This must be a real problem for other people. Bowl recipient here's what you got to do. You got to say thank you so much for this bowl I love it and get ready for the rest of your life collecting

bowls. No, no, no. Why? We've disagreed for the first, the most we've ever disagreed on the podcast. I don't know what's in the, I don't know what's in the water today, but I completely agree that you have to accept the bowl and say that you love it. You don't have to be so enthusiastic that your mother-in-law now thinks that you're a huge bull fan and starts buying you a bull on her various travels. I think that though this is the key bull recipient. When your mother-in-law is visiting or is about to visit, you put out the bull. Maybe you put a couple pairs in there. I don't know how you handle it, but you put the bowl out somewhere.

And then when your mother-in-law isn't visiting, you put the bowl away. But where's a way? It doesn't sign there's a ton of place to put this bowl. Oh, you have to have, well, no, maybe you have to get a piece of furniture and on the very inside of it, you just have labeled crap from my mother-in-law

and it's great to have all of that stuff together. By the way from my mother-in-law. And it's great to have all of that stuff together. By the way, my mother-in-law is wonderful and gives great gifts, just for the record. That's the truth. I'm saying the truth, but I'm also saying that just be 100% clear, because she does listen to the podcast. I love Yukonny, and thank you for all of your wonderful gifts over the years.

Moving on. You just have a little area of your house that's like stuff for when my mother-in-law visits and then right before your mother-in-law comes, you grab everything out of that little closet and you put it around your house in various places. And you just do that for the rest of your life because that is the best solution. Yeah, you gotta go to the container store and get something that's gonna fit under your bed or something. It sounds like maybe you live in a pretty small place and you don't wanna be harboring bowls for no reason,

but you have to harbor bowls and it's not no reason. It is a reason, it's just not that you love this bowl. It's a separate reason from your feelings about the bowl. Right, no, it's about you loving your family and dealing with the minor inconveniences that a company love. I will say, bull recipient, that one strategy you might try is sitting down with your mother in law and saying, hey, would you like to watch an episode of The Simpsons and show her the episode of The Simpsons where Homer gives

Marge a birthday present that is a bowling ball drilled to his fingers. I mean, but that's not that's not this because the the mother-in-law isn't giving you a gift for her. She's giving you a gift that she would like, which is a failure of empathy. It is not a explicit removal of your value to her value. But I think that a lot of people are like, oh man, I love so much the beautiful bowls that I have in my house. But it's also a little bit of a statement on like,

wouldn't you like to make your place look nicer? Here's a bowl, put some fake fruit in it. Yeah, so it's a smidge passive aggressive for sure. But again, these are the little prices that you pay in order to live in community with other people. So I think it's worth it, bowl recipient, but if you wanna make a stink about it, it's up to you. I think that one thing that's weird about decorative bowls is that you can't put that many things in them.

But there are some things you can put in them. I feel like if you put them in the middle of a table and you put fruit in them, then they can be useful because you do need to put fruit somewhere. And speaking of fruit, I have another question for you, John. A great transition, Hank. It's from Jasmine, who asks, dear Hank and John, I'm in the kitchen and I have decided to make cupcakes. This is a great decision.

It's wonderful. I don't normally cook. Frankly, I'm quite terrible when it comes to anything remotely related to a kitchen, but today I have decided to try. I have all the right ingredients to make cupcakes. The box mix ready to go, but I'm out of eggs. Jasmine. hold on. You don't have all the ingredients.

Jasmine, there's only two ingredients. The box mix and eggs. Maybe some milk. You're missing at least 33% of the ingredients, Jasmine. You made it sound like you're almost all the way there, but no, you're at most two thirds of the way there. I'm a bit disappointed and I wanted to make these cupcakes for my friends and it got me wondering,

what can I use instead of eggs? And why does a cake even need eggs? Bunch of reasons, first off. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. Eggs are pretty important to baking, but you can use other things. So, Sarah and I have actually experimented with

this. What most people use that I've seen is like a weird mix of water and baking powder and oil, but if you don't have eggs, I'm kind of suspicious as to whether you have baking powder. Another thing that people use is applesauce, which is like a quarter-couple applesauce. It's not going to be as good, but it adds some of the protein. The problem is your chocolate cupcakes are a little aptly. My favorite thing actually, we made chocolate cupcakes once using bananas instead of eggs, and that was quite good because a chocolate banana combo is tasty but it will make your cupcakes taste like bananas.

Right. That is a thing that happens. So what I, Jasmine, I think that I just want to say to you generally, is that like you're asking too many questions. We don't need to know why cakes need eggs. I bet there's a reason. I bet you could Google it and find it out. But look, you and me, Jasmine, we're not experts. We're not bakers. That's why Betty Crocker is doing

the work for us. We are going to have to rely on the centuries and millennia of knowledge that that human bakers have gathered so that we don't have to think thoughts like, why do cakes need eggs? We can just do what we're told, and then make something delicious. Hank Green relating every single question to his core belief that people need to believe in expertise again. Yeah, yeah.

To make expertise relevant again, the Hank Green campaign motto. Like, what do we have against Betty Crocker's expertise? She's been doing this for longer than a human can be alive. Is that true? I don't know. I was about to Google it honestly. Great, great question.

1921, unfortunately. So Betty Crocker could still be alive if Betty Crocker was a person. It would be very difficult. I did not know that Betty Crocker was a fictional character until just now she was created by a guy named Bruce Barton. Oh. In honor of- The part of it was also a member of the United States House of Representatives.

Oh, well, good for you. I mean, what had more lasting impact? I would say Congress. But that wasn't a question. But I'd probably lean toward the United States Congress in terms of institutions. That's just about the Betty Crocker, with the Capitiate page now. And it says Betty Crocker

also appears as an antagonist in the popular webcomic Homestuck. Of course. Homestuck people have have their media in Wikipedia wherever it is possible to get it in. Yeah. Wikipedia is actually itself essentially an extension of Homestuck. It's like 10% of Wikipedia's Homestuck references. It's just what they've been doing with their time now. Which is great. I think it's great. I should add that Betty Crocker was popularized by someone else named Marjorie Houston, who also was the voice of Betty Crocker in addition to writing the radio scripts.

So there you go. That's my entire history of Betty Crocker in addition to writing the radio scripts. So there you go. That's my entire history of Betty Crocker. Just inserted into a podcast. If you liked that, you'll love my podcast, The Anthropocene Reviewed, in which I will be reviewing Betty Crocker very shortly. Or our page for an only podcast this week in Ryan's, which may have, may also have something to do with Betty Crocker.

We'll see what happens. I think we have to try to finally get through an actual Sandra Bullock episode, but whatever. That's an inside joke that only Hank and me and the 14 people who listen to this week and Ryan's will get dangerous ground, which reminds me that this podcast is brought to you by John's podcast, the Anthropocene Reviewed,

which is a podcast that is about, what is it about John? Thanks never listened. Today's podcast is also brought to you by Tertles Tung Teeth. Tertles Tung Teeth. It's a thing. It's a thing. The podcast is also brought to you by Carl Ustrimsky. When he was a rookie, he had a baseball card, and I sent it to a stranger. You literally don't know Carl Ustremsky's name. I'm looking at the way that you spelled Ustremsky

on the podcast notes, and I'm duly horrified. Finally, today's podcast is brought to you by decorative bulls, decorative bulls coming soon to your home via your mother-in-law. The Anthropocene Review is a podcast where I review different facets of the human-centered planet on a five-star scale. You should listen to it. It's available wherever you get your podcast, unless you get your podcast on Spotify. We also have a project for awesome message from Carla Padawer Solomon. Carla, thank you for donating to the project for For awesome, to get us to read this,

to you and to everyone else who listens to the pod. Hi, my name is Carla. I'm a 26 year old nerd fighter currently residing in Flushing New York and working in the nonprofit sector. You both inspire me because you wear your values and nerdiness like other people wear designer clothing. God knows Hank doesn't wear designer clothing publicly and with pride.

I want you all to know that I exist. So please affirm, I, John Green, am consciously aware of the existence of Carla Pateware Solomon. Indeed I am Carla, thank you for donating to the project for awesome, and for all your great work. Either you're part of the simulation or we are, who knows? Okay, Hank, I have a really big question for you.

This might be the best question we've ever received on our podcast. Dear John and Hank, you guys have talked about how hard it is to change someone else's mind, but how do you change your own mind? I know what love is, Jenny. Hmm. I mean, do you want to? Yeah, there are times when you have to change your mind, right? Like, there are times when you're wrong.

And so the question, I think, is how does the process of you changing your mind work? Mm-hmm. Right, and I think that like the, the, an important part of that is like, it doesn't happen on its own. You, like, you don't just get exposed to new ideas and then your mind, you actually have to be like, okay, let me examine my thought structures,

let me examine my beliefs, let me examine my values and let me examine the reality as it is being portrayed to me by the simulation and people on Twitter. And like because you won't change your mind if you aren't open to the idea of having your mind changed. Because I don't think that like I think that every time it's happened for me, it's been a combination of an

involuntary like this is a thing I am happening and I kind of don't even want to recognize that it's happening because I will, like, my former self that's still inside of me, we'll feel mad about it. Or I will feel as if I'm betraying that former self. And so, like, it's almost something that I don't want to look right into the face of. For me, I have to begin with reminding myself that I am often wrong, that I have been wrong to look right into the face of. For me, I have to begin with reminding myself that I am often wrong, that I have been wrong many times in the past, that many beliefs that I held and cherished eventually proved to be incorrect, that information that

was the most up-to-date information at the time was later replaced by information that changed the understanding we have of the world and so on. So I know that I might be wrong. Hank, I completely agree with you that if you don't start from the perspective of I might be wrong, then you will never discover that you are, but you're wrong all the time. We're all wrong all the time, right? Like we're awash in misinformation and incomplete

information. And so if you just remind yourself of that, it's a lot easier to change your mind. It's also a lot less humiliating when you have to change your mind. Like it's less embarrassing. It doesn't feel like something that's core to you has been ripped apart because to me what's actually core to me is the understanding that I'm doing the best I can with the information that I have but that information is perpetually inadequate And maybe that's like another good way to take this a level deeper to say like Don't base your identity on the the individual beliefs that you have. The individual like, this is right, this is wrong.

I think that like, this is sort of my like perspective on this particular political debate. Base your identity on your values. Like, what do I believe is the way that humans should live inside the world? What do I think are the things we should be working for as, as individuals, as a country, as a species, kind of thing? Yep, Hank, I agree. This next question comes from Albert,

who writes, dear John and Hank, over the past few months, I've been working at the fast food chain Del Taco as a grill employee. Protocol is that whenever I pull the fries out, I shout, hot fries. And my coworkers respond, thank you, hot fries. This is also the case for things that I supply to the Taco Bar. Hot Fries! And my co-workers respond, thank you, Hot Fries!

This is also the case for things that I supply to the Taco Bar. Never once am I or any other grill worker referred to by name, despite being on really good relations with everyone else. This raises a few questions to me, many of which are unsettling. Is this some form of subtle corporate dehumanization to rename me not Albert, but Hot Fries? Are we all just perceived by the products that we produce and not ourselves? Hey hey hey Albert. I got to high quality name specific sign off Albert. It is it is but I mean why

even call yourself Albert at this point. That's right. That's right Hotfries. Thanks for your question, hot fries. I mean, the other problem that this has created is the number of people in the world who now have hot fries as their nickname has gone up exponentially since this policy. I mean, how great of a nickname is that though? I mean, it's pretty good.

Among us would not want to be known as hot fries. Yeah, unlike Jasmine, who will just have to call Eglis Cupcakes. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha his hot fries. Yeah, unlike Jasmine who will just have to call eggless cupcakes. Hahaha. Hahaha. So, way worse of a nickname. Yeah, I mean imagine like walking up to a friend and your friend is like, hey hot fries and you're like,

hey, what's up? And then they say, hey hot fries, I'd like you to meet my friend, Joe. Joe, this is my buddy hot fries. Joe's gonna be like, I don't know who the hell that guy is, but I want to be friends with him. Who doesn't want to be friends with hot fries? Like, I want to have a best friend named hot fries so badly.

Uh, I mean, there isn't much that I like more, honestly, than hot fries. Yeah, here's the thing, Albert. I mean, hot fries. Who's the thing, Albert? Yes, every's the thing Albert. I mean hot fries. Here's the thing Albert. Yes, every corporation wants nothing more from you than to extract more value from your labor than your labor costs the corporation. That noted, I would lean into the hot fries thing. The question is, John, I want to, like, when they say, thank you hot fries, do they say,

thank you, hot fries, do they say thank you hot fries? Like they're saying thank you to Albert and then they are responding so that everyone knows that hot fries are the thing that is happening, or they're saying thank you hot fries as if they are referring to you as your commodity. Right. Which I would argue the second one is much better because then your name is hot fries. Right, but in that case, John, what would my name be? Thank you, CEO of fifth rate companies.

Oh my crap, John. Woo! That's a burn. That's not me. I mean, you're the CEO of 11 companies that employ a grand total of 22 people. Del Taco has 470 million employees, hang. Oh, just I mean there are more people working for Del Taco right now as we speak than there are people living in Europe. The size of that's not true for just to be very

clear, not even close. I wasn't planning on calling you out, but there it is. Couldn't handle it. But the size of your company is not yourself worth, John. Right, Noah's being hot fries. I guess we should all hope that you do start calling each other by your names at some point. You don't have to do it during the customary, thank you hot fries moment, but at other moments when you're just talking amongst yourself and like you do a favor for somebody

or you pick up a shift or go grab the mop bucket from the back for somebody else, they'll say, thank you Albert, and you'll also refer to them by their name and not their commodity. But in the moment when the HotFries are a variety of everybody says, thank you, hot fries. I personally would like to transition to a world where at work, you only refer to everyone else by their job. Like, thank you,

assistant editor, thank you, editorial director. No, I don't like it. When they were addressing me, they could be like, thank you guy who used to be the CEO, but then got demoted and no longer has a title. Thank you, person, we don't know what to put on the business card for. Thank you guy who didn't fit into the org chart because not a great employee.

Yeah, you're adding value. It's kind of you to say. I'm happy to come monetize you, John. I appreciate that. I do report to Hank these days, and I have to say he's a terrible boss. Oh, thanks. I'm just kidding, you're a great boss.

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Can I guess which is the good news and which is the bad news? Yeah. Is the bad news that you're going to have to do a bunch of paperwork not just now, but forever? That is the bad news. Is the good news that there are podcasts. Yeah. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Because like most of people had to do this before podcasts. That's very true.

That's very, no, the good news was going to be that on the other side of boredom lies some kind of transcendent wonder. But why go there when you can just listen to podcasts? Hahaha. Agreed. can just listen to podcasts. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha recharging, but maybe they aren't, and we won't know for a while. But curiosity doesn't have this problem because it isn't solar powered. It is powered by the heat from radiation from radioactive materials. So it's all good, chugging around, and it recently found a thing that it was not confused by because it is a robot that does not have emotions.

But NASA scientists were confused by, and there was this little piece of flaking, like a little flake of white stuff on the ground. And NASA scientists were like, ah, that's kind of terrifying. Is that a piece of the rover that has fallen off? Is it a piece of an alien spaceship maybe? Who knows what it is? is a piece of an alien spaceship maybe?

Who knows what it is? And so they had to take a look at this, what they called the pedagrove.for an object debris. I don't know if you have heard of a FOD, John FOD, for an object debris, but it is generally a, you know, something that shouldn't be there in engineering speak. And so they had this little fad and didn't know what it was and looked at it for a long time

and worked on it for a long time and do you know what they found out, John? What? It's a rock. It's just a weird rock. It's like a real weird rock. Okay, so it's part of Mars. It's a Mars rock, it's just a weird rock. It's like a real weird rock. Okay, so it's part of Mars. It's a Mars rock, it's just a piece of Mars.

Okay, so that's so on Mars we found a piece of Mars. It's the news for Mars, John. That's exciting. But it's a real weird looking piece of Mars. Like you go look at this and you're like, there's no way that's a rock. Yeah, but yeah, it's a rock. How could this possibly be a part of Mars?

This thing that we found on the surface of Mars, it's wrong. How could this possibly be a part of Mars? This thing that we found on the surface of Mars, it's crazy. Still unlikely. Yeah, so if you want to find a reason to feel like, a Mars rover wasn't worth the price, it's how much time we just spent being like, what is this thing before we were like, oh, it's Mars.

But it's still interesting because it's a part of Mars that we would not have seen unless we were able to see it up very, very close. And it is a weird little rock flake. It's very, it's very light colored and it's very thin and long. And so it looks like a coconut, like a piece of shaved coconut is what I'd say. The kind of shaved coconut you put on your really terrible brownies that didn't have eggs in them. Well the news from AFC Wimbledon is not great. Wimbledon of course have started the season with two nil nil draws and one one nil victory. Things were looking in short pretty good and then we played wall salt at home and we lost

three one our first loss of the season. It's not going to be an undefeated season for Wimbledon. Yeah. But, but, but, but, John, yes, you scored a goal and like, scored a goal. That, I feel like matters a lot. I don't know if it actually does, but there was that very long stretch last season where you just didn't do that. Yeah.

So as long as you're still scoring goals, I feel good. Listen, we are in a 11th place, and if we're in a 11th place at the end of the season, I will be very happy. So we scored some goals, well, one goal. And I have to say, I watched the whole game. Now that the AFC Wimbledon app is so good, the video coverage is really expensive, but it is also very good, and you can listen to the WDON radio coverage at the same time. And it's a really high quality experience now.

I really enjoy watching the games. And even though we lost three won, including the worst own goal I have ever seen in professional football ever. Oh, God. Will Nightingale, God bless him. Wonderful kid. Great player. Just pass the ball directly into the net.

As cool as you like. Even though we lost 3-1, I have to say we played well. We don't appear to have a great quality finisher at the moment. Like we are struggling to score goals, but the passing is really fluid. Even though we lost 3-1, I thought that Wimbledon looked better than they did at almost any point last season. It was really creative, flowing football, and it showed me that Wimbledon can play

multiple styles, which I think is good news. So I don't know. Even though we lost, I still feel kind of hopeful about it. And again, there are worse places to be than 11th place. For instance, Oxford United have played four games and have zero points. Oh, well. Let's do our best not have. Oh, I'm just, I'm watching the own gold John oh boy Not a good look I watch it and I was like what is he oh? Oh? God And you just say you just hope that somebody like doesn't lose confidence. Yeah, well at least you didn't lose to one Yeah, I guess that's a good point.

Hahaha. Oh, man. All right, Hank, thank you for potting with me. Thanks, everybody, for listening. We are off to make this weekend rions our patron only podcast over at patreon.com slash dear Hank and John. This podcast is edited by Nicholas Jenkins. It's produced by Rosiana Halsey and Sheridan Gibson.

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