Death To Everyone - Death To... Christine's Novelty Earrings, "The Others" & Michael Jackson

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm going to show you. Hello, Zelda Moon. I'm Lazy Susan. Hello, I'm Zelda Moon. I think you're going to be coming to us in binary for the rest of the show. Non-binary. Oh, well, Brave of you to finally come out. Do you, like- I do.

I really do. Do you have like any exposure to Morse code? Like any? Only as a kid. I think Morse code was everywhere when I was a kid because I used to be really into spy toys and Morse code was one of the spy toys things. Wait, like the little keypad with the dip, dip, dip?

No, like it would be like you'd get, I mean, occasionally it would be a beep, but like you'd get either a beeper and then like a little pamphlet with like basic Morse code messages. Or you get like a... Hello. Yeah.

Like... SOS. SOS, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. Or you get like a... And then all like a little flashlight so you could like message your friends across the valley.

Morse code in light form? Yeah, because it's, you know, you can... I've seen Lord of the Rings. I know it. Do they have Morse code in Middle Earth? Well, they communicate through the you know, you can. I've seen a lot of the rings. I know it. Did they have Morse code in, in middle earth? Well, they communicate through the beacon. On or off. Yeah.

Those beacons are actually, I'm that by the way. Um, space car driver maps. Those beacons are crazy because some of them are on top of like freezing cold mountains. That's a hard shift. Who is living up there? Yeah, it's a hard, it's a fly in, fly out. Yeah, exactly.

By an eagle. Yeah, I just did three months up at the out watch. Like the weekends. You came back for some maid. Yeah. Yeah. And this is Death to Everyone, our weekly podcast where we talk about a range of fabulous topics because it's the end of time, but it's our duty to preserve the best of the best in our

doomsday bunker after, you know, much discussion. After the she-pocalypse? The she-pocalypse. The she-pocalypse. What do you think about adding apocalypse at the end of words to make new words? Like banana oculips? Yes, exactly. I like it.

What was a banana oculips? I think that's quite good actually. Do you like it when people add gate at the end of things to describe a scandalous situation? Apple gate. That's Christina Applegate. Yes. She's always been problematic. Bill Gate. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I like that too. Fav Gate. Yeah. What about... But I feel like that is one of those things that when you read it, it makes sense. But when you say it to someone, they're like, huh? Oh, like you don't know about Eraser Gate?

Yeah. Like that one actually, that did sound like a scandal. Oh, okay. Yeah. But like some of them are like deflate gate. I'm like, what are you saying? Um, yeah, no, I, yeah. That way. Yeah. What about like ish or like esk?

I love esk. Yeah. Hate ish. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm so I I say Ish all the time. I know I hate it. Why haven't you said anything? No, I don't really have an opinion. I just wanted to give you something. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. What do I think about Ish? What do I think about Ish? Say something Ish. I think Ish is good for time. It's 330 Ish.

330 Ish. Yeah. But not for anything else. Yeah. Oh, God, I use it for so many things. Give me an example. Uh, like I watched the Minecraft movie last night. It was good ish.

Maybe want to die ish. I don't know. Did you watch the whole thing? I did. Well, then you don't want to die. You loved it. I fucking like, you know what? It was like, like what it was like, like watching it was like a case study because it's, have you seen it? No.

Have you seen any of it? No. Like I was just, I was just curious, like, yes, I like Minecraft or whatever, but I'm also not eight. So like the movie. If you're new listeners to the show, we say that a lot. But like the way that it's shot and, and the scenes are structured and everything is so weird. Cause it's not like it doesn't run like a movie. It's just all these weird little vignettes. Yeah. it doesn't run like a movie. It's just all these weird. Like little vignette.

Yeah, like it feels, if it feels like if they made, you know, like five minute kid shows. Yeah. Like it felt like 20 of those one after the other, just the way it was shot, like super like TV, like you know how. Like wide and flat.

Yeah, well, what is the kid show, The Australian kids show? Oh my God. No. With like that curly girl from the eighties. Um, she had like big curly hair. I loved her. Oh my God. What did you say? Mr. Squiggle? No, but do love Mrs. Squiggle. Oh my God. The kids Australian TV show with like big Ted. Play school. Play school. Oh, it's shot like this. You know like how play school is shot? How you can like see too much, like you can see everyone and they're in the frame and

it looks like that. Yeah. Um. Well, it's a kids film, Zelda. Yes, but like- It's for children. But like there's no cinematic experience to it. Because it's for children?

Yeah, but, but I mean other films do, you know. You talk about the Rugrats movie. Because that is quite cinematic in a way that's a bit too dark for my taste. I don't recall the Rugrats movie. The children are abandoned in the woods. Wow. But I mean- With a baby.

They're all babies. They're all babies. There's a baby baby. Oh, sick. Dill Pickles. Oh, you hate Rugrats. Yeah. That's, I mean, we need to come back to that point because it's so crazy

that you would hate Rugrats. It's so ugly. That's cool. No, it makes me feel sick to look at. Rugrats is great. It's incredible. It's like, are real monsters? Yes.

Okay. Well, same studio. Cause they were monsters. That's cool. No, it's good. Okay, well same studio. Because they were monsters! That's cool! No, it's good! Ah, those fucking babies. If you can't handle the glaskey and cuscupe aesthetic... Is that what it's called?

What do you want, Dora the Explorer? No! Clean? No, that's also ugly. But it was about investing in the imagined world of children. That's fantastic. Oh my god. Anyway, what was I trying to say?

Minecraft movie blocky weird. It was fucking hideous. Yeah. And the, there was so much like, Oh, you know, where to make the actual sets and they were all made out of cubes or whatever, except that it's like, it just felt so not and it's because Minecraft is very, very boring of a setting until you engage with it. Like, if you just walk around the world, like, it's not an action game,

it's a sandbox. So, like, you create and tell all those stories, which I suppose through that lens, like, this is someone telling their story. But it just felt like so not in the essence of Minecraft, like there was no, none of the like exploration. And it was just like saturation, which Minecraft is not a saturated game at all. You could play that game for 500 hours and miss half the content. So you want it to be more boring? Yes. And you wanted to go for 500 hours and miss half the content. So you want it to be more boring?

Yes. And you wanted to go for 500 hours? Well, no. Like longer and less stuff happening? No, but like, it's just like the experience of that game is really empty. Yeah. You feel it, but this world was just like overflowing with characters and dynamics. And like when they went to the nether,

there's just fucking mobs everywhere. And like that's not what the game experience is like. That's what the kids want. Well, it's- Sensation. The kids love Minecraft. So why is the Minecraft movie not reflective of Minecraft? But I think the children love the Minecraft. I saw this meme.

I was like, in the 1920s, we finally took the children out of the mines. The children yearn to go back. Yeah. Now in 2020, the children yearn to go back to the mines. Oh, wow. And then this kid, I was teaching this kid violin the other day. Violin?

And he was like, someone's doing something outside the window. And I was like, don't go and look, just come sit down. Like just stay still for one minute. You just can't sit still this kid. So he ran to the window. He didn't listen to me. And, um, Well, if you said it like that, I wouldn't be listening to you either.

Well, I said it in a fun way. I was like, go and sit down. I'm running away from that killer clown. When he ran to the window and there's kids like digging a hole outside. Digging a hole! He was like, Oh my God, they're digging a mine. And I was like, oh my god, they do yearn for the mines. I yearn for the mines.

I know. But only if I could just be that beautiful bird that watches all the miners all day and then dies for attention. I think that is the role of the bird. Everybody get out. You know what? She's dead. That's you, sacrificial bird.

Yeah, but I'd be faking it. Right? I was joking. There's no gas here. Oops, they didn't. I just think it's almost an impossible conundrum to try and make a Minecraft movie because of what you said. It's about like, you know, it really is just a Rorschach test. It is like whatever you see in the game.

And so for you as the player, your experience of Minecraft is of sparse empty loneliness and... But also, like they, and I mean, there's more Minecraft games than just Minecraft. Yeah. Like there's all these other spin-off games, which also suffer from the same thing as this movie, of like elaborating on the core visual style and content of the game because the game is really ugly and boring. So like when you play Minecraft Dungeons, there's like 50,000 different weapons and enemies and different things because in Minecraft there's five or whatever and it's boring. So to make spin-off games they have to make new content, but it's like, well, that's not in Minecraft. So why is it here? Just like in that stupid movie, there's like all these other things that aren't

in Minecraft. It's like, you're not in the, like, we don't get iron golems that can fly. That's not a thing, but why is it in the Minecraft movie? If it's not in Minecraft, you might be a bit of a stickler for the rules. I think. Yeah, that's not fun. The kids are yearning for the mine. So you yearn for the rules, I think. Yeah. That's not fun. The kids are yearning. Then why make a Minecraft movie? Make whatever the fuck you want.

The kids are yearning for the mines. They yearn for the mines. They yearn for the flying iron golem. And like, they didn't even put in a fucking witch. The best of the best. Well, when you make the Minecraft movie too. They didn't put in a witch, but they put in this like pig witch. Witch, it sounds like you're delighted by the pig witch. Um, they put in a witch, but they put in this like pig, which

sounds like you're delighted by the pig. Well, I mean, she was kind of great, but, um, she's not in the game. There is no queen, which pig, so like, why is she the main villain of the game? I mean, the movie, well, thanks for spoiling the movie. Now I can't watch it. Which is the villain. Yeah. She's been villainized yet again. Try for one to support Pig Witch. And you know what I will say is that I didn't hate... Jason Momoa wasn't as unsufferable as I thought he would be in the movie.

Unsufferable. Matt, we don't do that here. She's allowed to say it however she wants. She's our picnic. She was raised in the stein. But Jack Black continues to be like a scourge on this planet. You hate Jack Black, but I like Jack Black. He has two songs in the movie. No one else gets a song.

And he just like- He's a gifted musician. Eww. In his own right. Why, why? I find him to be such a compelling presence. You'll love Minecraft. Well, that's why I can't see it.

Like I just, I thought he was good in the Mario movie. I thought he had like the only redeeming part of that. And then I thought, I just think that he's great for kids. He's kind of an unproblematic fave. And I think he should have been cast in Into the Woods in the place of James Corden. I don't, I don't, I don't resonate with that humor. What humor?

Correct. Do you not like School of Rock? No! So you just don't like good kids media, Rugrats and School of Rock? Shallow Hell. Maybe. You didn't like him with Gwyneth in Shallow Hell? Oh my god.

And Jason Alexander? Nightmare. No, he's so good. What about, you know, the other one. What is that called? High Fidelity. High Fidelity. Mandalorian season two.

He's good in High Fidelity. He's fun. But if you didn't like School of Rock, I don't know what to tell you. He's married in High Fidelity. He's fun. But if you didn't like School of Rock, I don't know what to tell you. Okay. Because that's fucking amazing film. I hate it. Joan Cusack? Miranda Cosgrove in her first on-screen role. But also like the outro song. He's like something from School of Rock. Like it's this rocky kind of like, yeah, we did it. And why would they want to film?

Yeah. And it's like, what does this have to do with Minecraft? I think you want too much of it to relate to Minecraft. It's the Minecraft movie. But they have to bring their own flair. No, this literally flares in Minecraft. Well, if you want to just play Minecraft and play Minecraft, no one's asking you to watch that. It's a you want to just play Minecraft and play Minecraft, but no one's asking you to watch that kids movie.

It's a hard game to translate to movies. So like they have to create something. I hate it. They can't just have it as like. Like creepers, like they're so in credit, like such as previously discussed on the pod, such a beautiful, like invention. And then the movie, they don't do their fundamental thing, which is walk up to you and explode. So what the fuck are we doing?

What do you think was a good adaptation of one of your most beloved like games? Well, I just finished watching. I mean, this completely unrelated because I don't love the game, but like I just finished season two of The Last of Us Have you watched any of that I watched season one up until the Nick Offerman Episode the gay episode. Yeah I watched episode and I was like I need to know what's happening in this kind of prestige. Yeah space and then I was like, ugh, this is like Walking Dead all over again.

I'm like, I can't watch this shit. It's extremely, I mean, it's a zombie apocalypse. But I also just, I come like, I think that these zombie apocalypse shows, Walking Dead, which, you know, season one, Frank Darabont, should have been my favorite thing in the whole world. And I love zombie media, like before A Certain Point, because I love the Romero trilogy. Of course.

And I think that they're really good when they're about something more interesting than how Americans all need to be survivalists with guns. And I think the subtext and the reason that these shows are so aborted, like across the aisle, is that they are kind of rewarding a really individualist mentality of like, you're right in carrying a gun and you're right in thinking that everyone's against you and you're right in thinking that the world is going to end, that you need to act in a way that's super tribalist and like weird. And so like the gay episode, which is explicitly about a man who's a survivalist, who's been

a survivalist pre-apocalypse, who lives in a small cabin, who builds a wall, a literal wall around his property. And then there is these unseen others trying to break into his like white picket fence reality. And he needs to defend his wall is too like nationalist Trumpian coded for me to be like, yeah, that makes sense. And then to that, for that to be a gay couple and for their dynamics to not represent any gay couple that's ever existed is really bizarre. Yeah.

You thought they were both tops. Yeah. It just didn't make sense though. Well, I see that. Yeah. It looked not wrong. Yeah. Not wrong.

Weird. Um, and what is interesting is like, I think you are spot on with their, like. Key, even if it's not their key intended audience, it is the audience that's pulled to that kind of content. Um, probably without, you know, realizing it in the way that you've described, but yes, um, but the last of us at its core like so the the two games are out season two doesn't finish at the end of the second game there's more of the game to be seen in season three I didn't realize that the whole first season was the whole first game pretty much yeah they ate through a

lot of that real quick how many seasons are they doing no I'm sure I'm sure I haven't played the second one so I don't know how much is left, but at least one more season unless it got cancelled. There's no way they're gonna get it. Well, because the reception to season two has been so... I've seen a lot of it. But the games are like the games exist. And when the second game came out out it was really mixed because of the Story that they told

It goes full les love it, which is great That is incredible and Joel dies very close to the start of the game Yeah, and then you are just stuck playing as like Lesbos They had the Lesbos of us. But like that's fantastic because like. Incredible trick to play on young men. Right. Um, and you play as like main character Les and then you play as evil Les and it's amazing.

Like, but that is why the people who were into the world and the gameplay and the story were like, yeah, what an amazing game or like what an amazing experience because you also have to play as like characters that you have decided that you hate. Like an evil lesbian. You're correct. Um, which I would never hate by the way. That's exactly what I want to play in every game. Yeah, actually.

Yes. Um, pig, which I didn't wonder if she was a lesbian, but I did wonder like, wait, if pig, which was a lesbian, because there's no other visibly like femme pig lens. So it was like, anyway, I was thinking about that partially last night. Um, but yeah, it's just like the, that queerness and, and the, you know, like your main, like macho bro character dies. And then that's why that game reception was so split. And it's just very interesting game reception was so split and it's just very interesting to see HBO do season two and the same thing has happened with a much bigger and more vocal audience being like

TV watches who are frothing Pedro and hate Bella Ramsey because she looks curious. Like it's so wild also because she, when she was on Game of Thrones in this very small role I don't know. I don't know. You don't know She had this small role. She was like leader of Bear Island or whatever and That was Pedro And people loved her because she was younger and she was probably still like Objectively like cuter because she was younger and she was probably still like objectively, like cuter because she was a child and played this like fierce character.

Everyone was like, fuck yeah, love her. And then she got this role, which like at the time, three years ago, whatever seemed a bit more fitting, but as she has matured and hasn't blossomed into a supermodel, but she's in this role in this TV show that everyone, like dude, bro, love to get behind. And they're like, but wait, the main guy died. And then the layers that we're left with isn't hot. Yeah.

So I fucking hate this show. You're like, how am I? What is happening? Yeah. Like left for me. There's nothing about her performance or the content and her delivery that is bad. Yeah. I think like the emotions of the show are actually done quite well and similar to Walking

Dead that, you know, like the relationships between people in that situation are what make it compelling. But like no one seems to give a shit. They just are like, wait, but she's not hot. I'm yet to find something that this particular constituent of internet bros enjoys, right? Cause they sit online and shit on everything. It's like, Oh, like you have spent your childhood and you're like, you know,

like your formative years obsessed with Star Wars and then like now you have new Star Wars and you're like burning the world down because I don't know, they cast Stacey Ridley in the lead. Yeah. And so it's like, okay, now we finally get past that. Now they're adapting your favorite game into an HBO TV show with a budget level that is like worthy of the cinematic like element and they're casting some of your favorite game into an HBO TV show with a budget level that is like worthy of the cinematic element and they're casting some of your favorite game with Thrones actors in it, which was another show that you torched as soon as it didn't do exactly what you wanted it to do.

And so it's like Diva and the only time you hear about them liking something is in the past tense when they're like, this used to be the best thing ever. And now it's ruined. I'm like, I don't care what you think. I do not care about your tastes. I do not care about what you would have to fucking. Like, I mean, I hope Bela Ramsey is making out like a bandit, but the psychological, like the psychological fucking warfare that goes on against

these women who take on these roles or people in general, because I've also seen people push back now that Pedro is more queer coded in his public life. They're like once again feeling betrayed by like, how dare this person not be mask. But it's like, why would anyone touch this IP? Because it's like, I would sooner die than have to negotiate with this audience. Yeah, it's blech. Because they don't deserve it.

It doesn't matter. No. And you know what they do like? The Joker. No, because they hated the second one. Well, yeah, but that's why that's so funny. Joaquin, what have you done? Yeah. But yeah, I think it's, it's an issue.

Yeah. You know what they would love? Happy's Place, Reba McIntyre's TV show that I watched on the plane. Her dad, Happy, he ran Happy's place, but he died. And now Reba's taking over. Tell us more. Was it a cafe or a restaurant? It's a bar. It's Happy's place, But it's a southern bar. And then on the first episode, Reba... What's her character name? I don't know. I assume it's Reba.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's running the bar. She's got quite a diverse team working there. Kind of representing all of contemporary America in one bar, which is incredible. But it allows them to talk about a lot of things. But then a young Hispanic woman enters, or like Latina, and she enters and she's here to talk to a lawyer who's also here to talk to Reba, and he is executing the will of her now dead father, Happy. Not so happy anymore, it seems.

And he's executing the will and he says, well, Happy's place is actually going to both of you because this young Latina girl is also Happy's other daughter that he kept a secret from his other life. Oh. Scandal. Reba is so caught because her father had this secret life. I'm like, what is the age difference between

these two women that he could have, you know, a 60 year old woman and a 20 year old daughter. I guess cum never expires. Anyway, then not happy is cum, but now they're going to run the bar together and each week they have trials and tribulations where they work out how to make it happen. And then also she moves in with Reba in her house. Do they have similar management styles?

No. Oh dear. Gosh, it's all tricky. But I actually hate that young girl. She's terrible. Oh, she just has a real passive aggressive attitude. Huh? Yeah. Is she, uh, does she have like hot boyfriends?

Cause she's the young hottie. Do you know what? She did have a hot boyfriend who she hadn't actually broken up with. This is the conflict of episode five where Reba explains to her. She's like, you've got to break up with this boyfriend. She's like, he said that like like, he lives out of state, which is a common thing in America. I see.

Hot young things. But then Rube was like, well, I'm going to show you how I broke up with all my boyfriends. And she's like, I got a love note and I spray it with fantasy. And so she sprays it. Was it called fantasy? By Britney Spears? Yeah. Anyway, so then she sends him this note and then he shows up and he's like, I got your note breaking up with me but I realised that you were subtextually telling me to move to you because you sprayed it in fantasy. It was a conflict.

Whoa. Yeah. And how many seasons did this show go for? I mean we're just on season one. Oh okay, yeah. It was a conflict. Whoa. Yeah. And how many seasons did this show go for? I mean, we're just on season one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Wait, it's not new. It's new new. Oh, it's like coming out right now. Oh, but you know, the dude bro's like, so mad. Because Reba died very early in season two. And then that Latina turned out to be a lesbian. Now she's a lesbian and she's running the place into the ground. Oh my God.

Yeah. Okay. But anyway, this is all to say I don't care about that last of us, but I do care. I'm like, just, it would be great not to adapt things. Oh, well. Yeah. Did you see that lightyear movie? Lightyear?

Lightyear? Oh, no. No, me neither. I don't know. I find that so peculiar. But I'm like the new rule needs to be don't watch kids films unless you're a kid. Luca was cute. Don't watch kids films unless you're a kid.

Don't feel the need. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Don't review them at least. Yeah, yeah. Don't review them at least. Yeah. I suppose people don't tune into this podcast to hear reviewers of children's films. Well, some of these listeners have kids. They want to hear about your fabulous lives. What are you been doing?

I love to love. Because I was back from Adelaide. But my baby just loves to dance. Lazy's back from Cannes. I heard from the people of Adelaide, two of them in particular, who said that my scathing review didn't go unnoticed. What did you say about Adelaide? I can't remember saying anything bad about Adelaide. I remember saying something bad about the person who stabbed my pastries and filled them with sauce.

Oh my God, I'm still not over it. I'm still not over it. So full on. What did you eat the other day? Wait, what? What did you eat the other day? OK, so. Did you ever get that sushi? I never did.

OK, so here's my journey. Day one. June's journey. It's a point and click adventure. Oh yeah, but it's also cozy. You get to decorate a house. We should make a bunker point and click adventure game. Yeah. Oh click adventure. Oh yeah. But it's also cozy. You get to decorate a house. We should make a bunker point and click adventure game. Yeah.

Oh my God. If you created Mist, can you send us an email? Um, if you created Mist, have you seen, you've played Mist? Yeah. Okay. Great. Also, do you know, it's kind of based off, not based, but like inspired by this book that I was just learning about the other day, which is called like temple or something. And you're like,

it's a puzzle book that looks like mist in a lot of ways, black and white, though. And you had to like solve the riddle of like get to page 47 in, in only seven steps or whatever. And you go through, like do you go through door number two and then you're like, it takes you to another page. That's so fun. Yeah. But it seems really hard and stressful like missed. Hi, I, I, I think that was a stylistic choice. Why? Yes. Um, what was I saying? Okay. So day one pastries, pasty and the filo then also, why were you both laughing when I was saying filo last week?

Why? How was when I say that? Filo. Filo. Filo. So I'm pronouncing it right. Yeah. That's it.

Day two was rolled where I did end up going hit and rolled. Yeah. That's it. Day two was rolled where I did end up going hit and rolled. Yeah. For international listeners, that's kind of like grilled. And for international listeners, that's like a Vietnamese. Yeah. Vietnamese like chain. Yeah. Focus on rice paper rolls, but they do other things. Main output. Yeah. And I got the like a rice bowl but then after waiting for 15 minutes they were like hey we're out of rice can you do noodles instead I was

like okay well I ordered rice yes of course I'll have noodles that's fine glass noodles um that a Macchelli yeah it was more oficelli. Yeah. Yeah. Then day three, we did... This is why people listen to this podcast. Correct. Day three, we tried the like the little kind of like, maybe it was like Chinese like, like tea house place that was secret in the corner. Yeah. And it was fucking terrible.

Um, like we waited so long and I just got veggie fried rice and it was like Bay Marie veggie fried rice. I was like, okay, this isn't the experience I thought I would be partaking in. Yeah. Um, then the final day, Oh my God, I found this, there was this place called like, let them eat all capitals. And they had 20,000 vegetarian options. I think it was all vegetarian.

And I got this like mac and cheese cube and a cauliflower and cheese little pastry. They were so good. So you finally discovered it. You had the redemption. On the last day. That's good. Finally got there the first day,

we'd have four days in a row. So good. So if you're ever in Adelaide at Insert Shopping Center here, hate to give myself away, go to let them eat. Let them eat. Let them eat.

Yeah. Is it like fusion cuisine or what's the story? Oh, it was very just like misc, Ossiana bakery, but with like delicious options. Like so many Arancini like styles and fillings and like, um, yeah, different like pastries, many cakes, like little, um, you know, like frittatas. It was really good, quite good. Do you find that instead of pressing the space bar, you often press the period button, full stop?

Sometimes. It's scourge on my life. Yeah. I pretty much do it every time I write anything in. Do I? Hello, dad. Yeah, or like I'm type, yeah. Yeah. Or like I'm type. Yeah. It's just, I'm like, I couldn't tell if it's a me problem. Sounds like it is. I, I often

mash slightly different things. The worst is when I hit a V instead of a question mark. Oh, the worst is when I hit an exclamation point instead of a question mark. And it seems like I'm being really aggressive. Hello? Yeah. As opposed to hello. Hello? No, no, that's more aggressive. Yeah.

Okay. Um, should I go through the dinners that I had now? No, I'm not so interested in that element. And what did, um, and what's new with you? What's new with me? Yeah. And what's new with you? What's new with me? Yeah.

I came back home from Cannes and my ceiling was falling in. The plaster of my ceiling has fallen in again, which is really heavy plaster, horsehair plaster, really heavy. My landlord has come to fix it. I love my landlord. He's such a sweetie pie. But the house is of course falling

apart. But the rent is good and it's in a great location. The other thing I have to say, which is something I'm like tentative, tentative to say. But I will say it because I think it's quite juicy, but I also need to now address it with the person because this is like a bit of, but a few years ago I went through like a phase of like making little paintings and drawings and whatever just during lockdown and I made a bunch of them, Zelda has one, but I gave one to a friend and then I never saw it again. And so I was just a bit like, that's okay. Anyway, recently I was at her house. Oh my God.

And I went into the shed because I was just like doing something and like taking in her bins and then brought the bins in. And then I looked across and this image, this painting that I'd done years ago was in the shed, completely water damaged, completely like had just been like put in the shed to keep it away from the house. To keep it out of sight.

And I was like, oh, oh no. Cause it's like, you know, number one, it's completely fine to not like something. Yeah, to receive a handmade gift and put it away. But it's also like, it's really sad because like, I wouldn't have gifted it. Like there'll be people that would have liked this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it also took time and was like, you know, whatever. But like it became clear very early on that these people didn't want it in their house because they just never saw it again. Yeah. But I'd always like, it had been fine because I just didn't know of its fate. And I was like, in my mind,

maybe it's somewhere that I just can't see. In the art vault. Anyway so I walk out of the the garage and I'm like but I also I'm like it's not something I could just bring up because... So I brought your bins in and I saw some other trash would you allow me to take that out with the next load? I was so hurt, but I was also like, this person has had a really busy start to the year and their shit is going off. And so I was like, I don't want to blow up their spot right now. This is not the time to have this conversation that is going to make them feel awkward and bad and me feel terrible. Wait, so instead you're blasting them on the podcast?

Well, I'm not just saying who they are. But so then I've been like, okay, well, what the fuck do I do? Because- Make them another artwork. I saw you lost the other one. I just, I just, you know, but I, okay. So then I took the question to my other friend and I was like, what do I do about this? Because like, I don't want to make them feel guilty about this thing that is like,

whatever. Like, it's just like, and I also just would pay money not to have this conversation about this artwork. And so then I was like, and my friend was like, just don't ever bring it up. Just let it die. That is gone now. It's, it's been gone the whole time. The effect on your life is as the same as if you would have like given it to them

and they put it in their summer home or whatever, like if they had a summer home. But like, you know, like it, it's as if it just imagined that it was in somewhere, somewhere that was important. You know what you know, like it's as if it just imagined that it was in somewhere, somewhere that was important. You know what I mean? But it doesn't matter. And I'm like, okay. And then I speak to another friend. Oh, just quickly, can I ask? Yeah. How much of it was visible? Like, was it just like a corner of it? No, it was like a lent up against the wall. The entire thing was visible. Yeah. But then I spoke to another friend and she's like, do you know what you should do? Steal it.

Next time you're at the house, go into the garage, make an excuse to go into the garage, sneak it out the side of the house, go back as if nothing happened, and just have it back. And then just never bring it up. But what if you hung it in your house? Well, no, I could never do that. That would be so funny though. Um, I'm just, I'm just messed up. I make duplicates. It was so good.

I made one for myself. Oh my God. This has got the same water damage. Okay. Well now I guess I put it to you and to the list. So what would you do? Um, right in and to the listenership. What would you do? Oh, right in. I mean, fucked up thing.

Would you do wait, Matt, what do you think's more fucked up pretending it didn't happen or like stealing it? I think whatever morally feels right for you. No, no, no, Matt. I'm asking you, what would you do? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I would, whatever feels morally right for me. That's what I would do. Yeah. So yeah no, Matt. I'm asking you, what would you do? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I would, whatever feels morally right for me.

That's what I would do. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I'm stealing it. Does not feel right. That doesn't feel good. Pretending like it didn't happen. Doesn't feel right. What would you do?

I would talk to them about it. Like an adult. Doesn't sound good, but you know what I mean? Like there's also time and a place. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. You did the right, you were, that is actually a very mature response. What you did.

I'm ready to be a wasp. Push down the feelings. It was, it was until it's the right time to let them rip. I think it's also, but it's okay for you to feel that way about it. No, obviously. I mean, like fine. And I think it's like the response, like I'm saying it's mature for you to feel that way about it. No, obviously. I mean, like- It's fine. I think it's just-

But like the response, like I'm saying it's mature that you didn't like let those feelings overcome you and bring it up in a time and place when it wasn't appropriate to do that. Do you know what I mean? Yes. That is a very mature response and I'm proud of you. That's all I'm saying. Oh, thank you, Matt. Now what?

Well, you need to choose the dumb place to let those feelings out. Dawn. With pistols at dawn. Yeah. Someone's breaking into the shed. You get a message, lazy, I got a summons from you. It was received from a raven in a scroll. Just confirming this is, you know what you did. Yeah. Oh, well, you know, as well, it's like, it's so awkward. I actually feel so awkward. I feel slightly like lightened.

Are they going to listen to this? Maybe, but like, I'm also just like, I need to now bring it up because I've talked about it here. Right. So you're forcing yourself to take action. Yeah. You've got countdown now between now and next Tuesday. No, I don't think people are that strong on listening to this podcast.

Oh, I see. But I just, it's so like, I can't, it's just, it's so embarrassing. Which part? Like making something that someone's obviously not like. Yeah! They're like, oh, you've given me your studio arts work. Oh! And you're like, ah.

So then on the back of this story, when I was asking a friend who told me to steal it, which is still the most viable option in my book. Oh my god. You guys act like that's crazy, but that feels like, when I heard that I was like, yeah, I'll steal it. Because then you also put them in a position to bring it up. And how would it ever come up? It's a lot, like it's a load off their mind.

I don't think they're thinking about it, do you? No, and I wasn't either. That's the thing I had like occasionally, like occasionally it had like crossed my mind just being like, I wonder where that ended up. Obviously not on their wall, but like. You were hoping, you were hoping it was in like the vault with all the other beautiful artworks that had collected over the years. Yeah.

Like I was like somewhere. And do you know what's like funny is that like there would be someone in the world now as a result of being on Drag Race and all of that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who would actually pay money for that thing? Yes. Because it's just like, oh, get your original Lazy Susan artwork, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

But instead it's sitting in a shed that's like moldering away. And so anyway, it's so awkward. It's so awkward. And it stresses me out so much to just think about that now. Well, you gotta get it off your chest then. No, I just, I feel like maybe I can just let it go back into. Okay, shall we do a a I'm person X.

Yeah. Robbie. So glad you could come over for a coffee. How are you? Good. Can I go and check your shirt? That's too soon. Okay.

So we're going to start again. Robbie. Hey, come in. Would you like a coffee? Yeah. Um, yeah. come take a seat. Oh my gosh. Um, oatmeal?

Do what? No. Oh, you say artwork. What? No one said I'd talk. Um, can I offer you a, like a Tim Tam or something? Oh, Tim Tam. Oh, yeah.

So how are you? I'm good. Actually, I was going to. Yeah. Oh, Tim Tam. Oh. What's your, what? Yeah, sure. So how are you? I'm good. Actually, I was going to... Yeah, oh, sorry. That's just the sound of my life being on fire in the other room. I'm just going to put that out and then I'll come right back. Oh my God. That was really stressful.

What were you saying? Oh, nothing. Anyway, um... Dawn. Have you listened to the pod recently? Oh, you know what? I'm actually just one episode behind. So it's just the episode that comes out in two days.

Cut all this, Matt. We're going to cut all this. This is important rehearsal. OK, no, Zelda. Yeah. I heard what Matt would do. A mature adult conversation. Yeah. What would you Matt would do. I'm a true adult conversation. Yeah. What would you do? Okay, so I would not steal it.

That's so weird. I mean, I would approach it with humor and I would like, next time I spoke to them, I would be like, so I see that you hate the artwork that I gave you and it's running in your shed. And they would go, I spoke to them, I would be like, so I see that you hate the artwork that I gave you and it's running in your shed. And they would go, well, they'd be like,

it's fine if you hate it, I just wish you had have told me. That's what I would do. Yeah. Oh God. Yeah, because then you can just have a laugh. What if you painted them another one? Oh my God.

Or what if instead of stealing it, you vandalize it, you go in there and like slash it? That seems more insane. Because then they're like, who broke into our shed? Because if it's gone, the absence of it wouldn't go noted. You don't think? No. I don't think you're missing.

If something went missing from my shed, I wouldn't notice. What if that's where they want it? If something went missing from my shed, I wouldn't notice. What if that's where they wanted it? They were like, oh, this perfect spot for this. For this water to really get onto it. So how damaged is it? It's damaged. It's so sad. That's so sad.

It's still within a state of like, you could, I mean, like, this is the thing. I don't, like, what would I do with it if I had it? You can't steal it You can't that's not an option Okay, so the gal that told me to steal it. Yeah, she was like that happened to me where I was in a store with my friend and she saw this artwork and she's like I Love this artwork. Da da da da da It was spotlight and it was one of these yaks at the counter. Yeah, it's beautiful.

Sea scene. Yeah. And then she was like, put it in her mental note and was like, okay, I'm going to buy that for her for her birthday. Okay. So she buys it for her, for her birthday birthday and then has the similar experience to me of Never seen the artwork emerge onto the way since wall. So wait the sorry I'm the diva who said she liked it. Yeah got it for her birthday

Where is this the same person who didn't hang your art? No. Oh, okay. This is a similar situation About my situation. This is the gal that was advising me to steal it. Yeah She was like I've had this similar situation play out in my life. I guess without the ego sting of it being your work, but it is like still the thing of like wanting to get someone the perfect gift, which is still an ego sting because you're putting yourself into a situation where you're trying to anticipate the likes of your loved ones. And. Tricky. And she is in her room one day, getting ready to go out or whatever. And then under the bed is the artwork, just sitting there. And she brings it up.

And she's like, Diva, you said you liked this. And she's like, oh, I did. And she's like, you did not. You don't have to lie. We'd love to return it and get you said you liked this. And she's like, Oh, I did. Like, she's like, you did not, you don't have to lie. I would love to return it and get you something you actually like. I don't want to spend money on things that are not enjoyable to you. I wanted to get you a gift that you like. A gift, not a burden. No, exactly.

Not something to sit under your bed for all time. And she's like, no, no, no, I like it. I like it. I just haven't been able to find a place to hang it in this house. Liar. And so they went through this whole awkward altercation. bed for all time and she's like, no, no, no, I like it. I like it. I just haven't been able to find a place to hang it in this house. And so they went through this whole awkward altercation and then the diva never hung it. She's still looking for the right spot.

Well, right. It's on the inside of a recycling bin. And it's like that thing of like, okay, so in your scenario, I go over and have my Tim Tam and black coffee. Yeah. What am I, what outcome do I want? Because I'm going to make my friend feel awkward, who I love, and I don't want her to feel awkward. And I think that she has got enough on her plate that it's like, why would I care enough

to bring this up? And then like, I feel awkward, but that's not gonna go anywhere because the thing is they didn't like it. And that's just what it is. You know what, where it could end with, the hurt could end with just your ego. Exactly.

And that has already happened. It's an ego death. Yeah, there's no, you're right. Because what is the outcome then? Cause if you, if you go and bring it up and she's like, you know, I actually really don't like it, that's why we didn't hang it. Obviously. Like, obviously, like that's the obvious, like, yeah.

Yeah. So then what either it's like, okay. Stays there. It stays there. Yeah. Or do they go and get it, bring it into the house and then hand it back to you, damaged three years later and then you take it in your car and drive away. And then every time, say I hang it on my wall, every time I see it,

all I can think of is how one of my dear friends just did not like it. Yeah. And then on top of that, what if they were to hang it out of guilt? And then every time they walk through their house and see this work that they just do not respond to that has nothing to do with them, they just think, wow, I fucking hate that. The only reason it's on our wall is for guilt. After all this, I think stealing it is the best option. I agree.

I agree. I think, yeah, I didn't think it all through. I think we need that girl to be on this podcast and not you two lame ones for telling me not to steal it. Because you don't have the mindset of what would happen on an episode of Happiest Place. Because she would be told to steal it. And then at the end, they'd have to have the confidant.

You know, like the gift of an experience and a memory is quite special. What if the solution to the conversation was, I anticipated that the reason that it wasn't on your wall is that you didn't love it. So I've brought a metal canister and petrol and we're going to ritualistically light it on fire. And then like, that's a hilarious memory. And then it's gone. No one ever has to deal with it again. Is that an option? That seems like quite insane. And therefore up your alley. Yeah. I mean, listen, it is not on Bonfire. Yeah.

At the, at the winter solstice. Yeah. I'd be like, and I've also brought, you remember 14 years ago, how you bought me that blah, blah, I hated that. So I brought that and we're going to, we're going to burn that as well. But that's, yeah. I mean, I guess it's like, it's the, like sucking the poison out element, which now snake physicians tell you not to do.

Don't put the poison in your mouth straight after it's been in your blood. Um, yeah, I don't know. It's so awkward. It's just so awkward. And I just need to like bury it. What if you went over and said, Hey, do you remember that painting I gave you? Unfortunately, I really need it back. I actually really want it back.

No, cause then they'd have to, then it would be the water damage. They'd be embarrassed of like, oh. They're like, Oh, let me just get it off the wall. Okay. But here's the other part, which I hate to say. And I think that this is a really, this is something I would never want to be part of the dynamic cause I hate when people do this shit, but this is a really, this is something I would never want to be part of the dynamic because I hate when people do this shit. But this is like quite unfortunate.

But the origin of the work was, no, it's actually too, like it sounds manipulative, but the origin of the work was when my mom was in the final days of hospice care, we would go to hospice and like visit and then I would go home and to keep my mind busy and off what was happening, I'd work on this piece. And so this is like intensely emotionally tied to that time and is loaded with all of the emotion of that like uncertainty and also this like reprieve or like a place to put all of that. And not like the piece is not like an emotional thing. It's just

like it was busy work. Out of that time. Yeah. And so it's so, like it's an artifact of that time that like I would never want them to be burdened with that. I don't think that that's fair. And I don't think that they have to like something just because that's the context of it. Yes, yes, yes. But for me, that is the context of that. Yeah. That. And so I'm like, oh my God. And that's why I was like to destroy it or to watch it slowly erode and be destroyed. I mean, maybe that's a good thing. I think it's like the, like, yeah, I don't think you necessarily need to keep those sorts of documents around. Like, I think if it helped you in the moment, that's great, but maybe that's like, then wipe the slate clean.

But part of giving it to someone else is that you then don't have to like have it in your life, but you get to like, you know, have given it to someone. Yeah. And like, I love showing up at my friend's houses and seeing like, you know, your house owner, I'm like, oh, I like that. I did that. That's cute. But it's like, I don't like it doesn't match everyone's vibe and decor because it's all like zany, pop party kind of like, you know, super like

illustration style stuff. So it's like it's not everyone's taste. It's not classy. It's not sweet. But yeah. In a uncharacteristically earnest way, what advice do you think your mother would give you? No, I think she would be like, it does sound like a very classic Christine Sinclair defeat because my mom was like, like all her stories of her childhood and everything would be like, like she was like, I, I, um, you know, me and my family would go to the beach at, and, um, at the beach during like the summer holidays, they'd have these like magician

that would come out and do these performances at the little, like, there's like a little, I don't know, like a performance stage down at the beach. And they had like a talent show as part of it. And at like eight or nine years old, like I would go and see like Ronald the Magnificent perform and I was obsessed while my family like City of the Beach. And I went and they would invite kids up to do part of a talent show and there was a prize. And so my mum was like, I went and performed and got first place in this little talent show. I sang a little song, blah, blah, blah. And then I won a bag of cotton candy, which is probably the most like insane,

incredible thing this little girl from Rockhampton had ever seen. Like just not on the radar for something that you could have. And so she went back to her family and was like, oh, did you see me on stage? Did you see me on stage? And they're like sitting sunbathing like, nah. And then she's like, oh, okay, I won. I won. They're like, all right.

And like then she like put her like, she's like, I'm going to go she put her, she's like, I'm gonna go for a swim, celebrate the win. This little derpy little frickly girl. And then went and ran into the ocean and when she came back, they'd all eaten her cotton candy. Fucking hell, man. And that's the most classic Christine Sinclair. Like, oh, well. Just suffering these like really quiet defeats.

Because I was. But that would be her, I think. She'd be like, that's fine. Oh well. Yeah. Because I feel like, yeah, I mean, the experience that you've gone through feels like something that, yeah, like

she would understand and also kind of like see the humor, so it's just like, let's just move on. Yeah, I think she would just be like, move on. It's like, you know, I think as well, it's like, like sometimes these things just need to be quietly, like, you know, like Emma Thompson when she finds the Joni Mitchell CD. You just need to like... Swallow your disappointment. Yeah.

Yeah. Keep calm and carry on. Um, it is funny because the contrast is that, and I can't remember if I've told this story or not, but when Lazy started generating these artworks, I will own that I was perhaps a touch jealous and I was very, uh, perhaps a touch, uh, too forward in my, gee, lazy, the walls in my house are so barren. Or the next day, lazy, God, you have such an incredible skill set. Such beautiful artwork you're creating. Or the next day, like, let's see, that's good. I love looking at things in my house.

And then eventually you were like, can you shut up? Here's your one. I was like, I'll make you. Good. Good. Yeah. That's very kind. So that's very kind for supporting me. Yeah. I think it's like sometimes like, okay, I guess in my like ideal version of this, in 30 years time, like MoMA will be putting together a retrospective of my career. And they will be featuring my films, but also like my quite, you know, during this incredible career before she was self-immolated in a kerosene incident whilst burning something

that Zelda had told her to burn. We have like, you know, she's quite a prolific artist. You know, she did a lot, you know, who could forget her rug making and her incredible tapestries and beadwork. The pasta cum covered magnets, et cetera. Exactly. And so we now, we're going to gather together these early works. And so they come to you and they come to Benign and, you know, go all around looking for these pieces that they know exist because of this and Instagram and

blah, blah, blah. And so they find, and they're like, we're missing just one piece. And it was said to have belonged to these people. And they knock on the door and they're like, hello. And they're like, oh, hello, we're from MoMA. We're looking for this incredibly valuable, amazing piece that no sane human being would ever put in their shed. And maybe I should just pay someone to do this. It's worth 20 million. They're like, yeah, these pieces are now going for like hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yeah, yeah pieces are now going for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have any sense of where that's gone? And they'd rush to the shed and find the dust where it had been. And they say, oh, it's actually destroyed, it's gone. And then in the... There'd be an empty space at the wall at MoMA with the like frame shape. Like just lit, they'd light the shape of where the piece should be. And then in the book that goes out with MoMA, it would be like, we were able to recover the majority of pieces from this early collection.

Unfortunately, one was destroyed just by a careless collector. Yeah. Wow. And then I'd like, I assume I'm dead if they're going to all this effort. Oh yeah. And kind of look down and be like, sorry, we should have had an adult conversation. I should have just stolen it from your heart. Do you think that that's how the missing link of human evolution has been obscured?

What? You know, like some historian was gifted with it at some point, didn't really like it and then just didn't take care of that properly. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I mean, there's a lot of stories about Picasso sort of being destroyed just through like, you know, being stored in an attic somewhere. Well, I'm glad that we're now comparing you to Picasso.

Well, it was really just the start. I thought you were going to say that when you were observing the opening ceremony of this exhibition, your like gigantic celestial ghost tears flooded the earth. I like how the world ends. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Actually, take that entire setup.

Yeah. And then add celestial ghost tears. Yes. And everyone drowns in ghost water. Yeah. Which is 10 times more watery than regular water. Correct. As you learn from Minecraft.

I assume there's ghost water in that. In the movie, maybe. They make up all kinds of shit for that movie. And that's what happens. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm glad we got that out. And listen, if you have any advice, please send it through.

Yeah. Post-age. Really quickly. Yes. Okay, we'll be right back. Hello and welcome back. Hi listeners, you're like your to you. It's me, Momo ghost. Okay. Me, Mama Ghost. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Okay. From listener Christine. Dear celestial goddesses, Lazy and Zelda. Hello. And space car driver Matt. Oh. Beep beep. Beep beep.

Long time listener here. Thank you for your weekly curations and spoiling us all with a two hour weekly podcast. Oh my God. Oh my God. The intro is the perfect length and better than any other podcast intro I've listened to. It's funny, I don't remember writing this email. I have attached a picture of a curated selection

of my novelty earring collection. I humbly ask which pair of my novelty earrings would survive the apocalypse to be forever immortalized in the bunker. This will also help me choose a pair to wear to the next live. Funny. I know that there's already a pair of earrings in the bunker, but they aren't my novelty earrings. Which in my opinion are far more interesting. Incredible. And then she goes on to say, if there's not room for a second pair of earrings, maybe you could consider which antidote goes into the bunker.

And then a curious selection of antidotes from an old publication has been included, which we won't touch today, but perhaps in the future. I shall be touching in that. Thank you for your consideration, your listener, Christine. Well thank you Christine. Thank you Christine, that's so kind of you to send such a detailed loving email. Yes, now Christine has of course included a picture of... And do people, I just need to clarify, do people love this as a, as a thing? Where we talk about things that we're looking at.

Like, yeah. Do people love when we're describing things that only we can see? I presume they love it when we remember to post it to Instagram, but since that's probably a 50 50, that might be the response we get. Okay. Okay. Let's go in. So these are quite novelty.

Yes. So we're looking at a wall mounted, uh, wood display for earrings. It's laden with earrings, maybe 50 pairs. I don't know. There's some wacko ones on here. Yeah. And they're quick. But, uh, these are a bit wacko. Don't go wacko, fishmacko.

OK. Can I say something first, Zelda? Yes. I'm going to be controversial. Oh. To new for me and say that almost all acrylics are off the table. Because as previously discussed, they're horrendous. Because we hate acrylic.

There's only potentially one exception I can see here in the world. And listen, if that's your taste, then I'm not making up for you. The little acrylic cut earrings, what we're talking about. Yes. Yeah. The little fusilli bow tie pasta. Is that fusilli? That is, it's bow tie. Bow tie. Yeah. And they, they, they've been, um, they've been engraved in such a way to kind of accentuate the shape. And I think that that is actually where I enjoy. But do you see that they also have etched into them little smiley faces? Yeah. And that I don't think you like.

Well, I didn't need them to have personalities. I just liked them being. Okay, let's go through them. Okay. Ignore me for now, because I think we should at least give them their day in court, but I think that it's gonna be a hard chance for an acrylic earring to get into the bunker.

Oh, damn straight. No offense, Christine. Sorry, Christine, don't wear them to our show. So what I will say, what are we doing? We, there's not enough time on left on the earth to go through every single one of these. But- Choose the top three each.

Okay, so even though we're not doing acrylics, I have to say that this like soft blue crocodile. Oh yes. The scale of that is crazy. That would be hitting your collarbone. Yes. Um, and the expression on this crocodile is quite menacing. It has a red detail.

I like the detailing. Yes. Um, very spiky, quite fun, but fundamentally hideous. I'm afraid. fun, but fundamentally hideous, I'm afraid. Um, what I really like this is, this is really hard because the bat that is hanging upside down from a little like, like gum leaf, because like a flying fox or the, well, yeah, but it's so cute.

And they do hang like that. They do be like that. So the thought that it could be hanging from my ear, that's quite adorable. So I really like that. Whereas like no crocodile is like dangling from like, you know, no. So that's the, the flying Fox one gets real points for, for, you know, like fantasy potential meeting actuality. What else is good? Okay. So I was looking at these two earrings that are like part of a set, which are the faces of two men.

Oh yeah. And one is very recognizably Freddy Krueger. And then through a power of deduction, I was able to realize that it's Freddy cool. And I think that's fun. It's like a clear perspex with an image printed on the reverse side. It looks cute. There's these little clay earrings that are meant to be that sort of house plant vibe. I am surprised you skimmed right past this, like, it's got a little bit of a There's these little clay earrings that are meant to be that sort of houseplant vibe. I am surprised you skimmed right past this, like, it's got a deep, like, Merlot-colored acrylic piece that is the color of an upside-down archway.

And then, like, dangling on gold hoops from that is two large lettuce leaf that look like the lettuce leaf crockery sets you can get. Yes, I do quite like that. Laced clay. So chic. I feel like that's, like, I think that the color combo is so unusual. They feel very, like, where would I ever see that in a very chic and cool way?

Yeah. It could be kind of like things that you'd find in an op shop in the crockery section. And that, I think there's a lot of things here battling for attention and I like how bizarre they are. I enjoy the, uh, it might be a raven or it might be a corawong who could say, a crow perhaps, where on one side you see the beautiful bird and then the other side you see it's Skellington. That's quite good. Speaking of, we do have Skelegro, the Skellington earrings.

Yes. I like the tiny teddies. I was going to say, we do have Halloween themed tiny teddies. One dressed as a vampire and one dressed as a witch. Oh, Skelligro is from Harry Potter. Sorry, I just had to declare. Oh, Skelligro is not getting it. But the tiny teddies, they actually look like real tiny teddies. They do.

They're 3D. They look like you could maybe eat them. Totally. And look at the little teeth on the little vampire one. It's very cute. Oh, and look at above it. You can see a small metal Tyrannosaurus Rex earring. And a strawberry.

Good, and a strawberry. And I do enjoy top left. We've got earrings that just say, Thursday. I think most of them are all pairs, except for there's just one random severed finger down the bottom. Yeah. I was looking for its friend

and it couldn't be the taco truck. No. Okay, what I will say is there's a genre of earring. Look at that glittery whale. Yeah, so there's the acrylic images, then there's a genre where it's this thing that might exist, I guess a good one is like the little dollhouse mirrors that like probably yeah the scale of maybe a doll could hold like a little hand mirror

and I love those same with the Tiny Teddies there's like one that's a freckle like a you know chocolate with sprinkles on top that looks genuinely like a chocolate with sprinkles on top there's like the little rubber chickens. The oven baked clay kind of look. Well, I think these are more plastic, like almost like dollhouse things. And I love those things because of how well rendered they are. However, and this is like a scourge on all kind of what I would describe as like Etsy shop earrings. Yeah.

what I would describe as Etsy shop earrings, is that they are incredible, but the hardware, the default hardware that then goes with them to become earrings is so generic. It's like, why can't we have a different version of one of those hooks? I'm like, I want to be delighted, but we just, I like, on the acrylic one, the best thing is that they can seal the post, so you actually can't see where it goes into your ear.

And it's just a delight to look at the entire way. Whereas with these other ones, there's a little nippy's, iced honeycomb-flavored milk acrylic thing. And that's fun, but then it's like by the time my eye goes from the like, Oh, surprise and delight, what are you wearing on your ear, Christine? And then I go up and I say, Oh, a generic hook. Yeah. That generic hook kills it.

What I will say in fro of the generic hook is that those rubber chickens are literally being strangled by the metal. The metal is wrapped around their neck. There's some really disgusting looking yellow chickens. Yeah.led by the metal. The metal is wrapped around their neck. There's some really disgusting looking yellow chickens. Yeah. I like the chicken. I also, there's like little Tabasco charms

that have been mounted. The little Tabasco is very cute. And that's really cute, but I want it to like be Tabasco charm up into red splatter. I was gonna say, yes. Oh, like red droplet of the Tabasco coming out that has the, that conce red droplet. Yes, the basket coming out that has the the conceals the post Yes, but instead I'm just like Diva. What am I looking?

What about these two black ducks with pink wings that are wearing? So Dorothy red sparkly shoes, but see they're kind of even though they're in the acrylic lane They are quite compelling and they'll dangle with delight, which I like. Made me think of you, Zelda. Yeah. Well, see, I love the little booties, but like, I don't see a duck wearing, because like, how does the tie have a collar? Because she's not wearing a shirt.

She's wearing a tie. You can get a collar without a shirt. Yeah, but she's a stripper. I just don't know how to feel about that. The boots I can understand because that's just a boot. But how do we have a collar with a shirt? I mean, the ray is beautiful, but they don't swim like that. They don't go vertical, darling.

They fly out of the water. I'm not seeing manta rays flying out of the water. Yeah. But you're assuming that people are looking at you like standing up. Maybe you're lying down. Ah, the manta rays and I'm the ocean floor and it's gliding across my face. But the thing above it is this like monstrous acrylic, like marble effect of like salmon pink tones that maybe have lobster claws.

Yeah. But like it's, yeah, but like it's obscure lobster. Like it doesn't have any, it's very abstract. It's very, I don't think I enjoy those shapes together. Um, what do you think of the French fries? They once again. See, I'm not for that, but I do like the gulls that have French fries in their mouth.

Look at those little French fries. Well, they're also 3D. Yes. That's one of the things that I don't like about acrylic jewelry, which is like, you know, not across the board, but just it like lacks that three dimensionality that I think I like in a good earring. It's like I'm viewing you from all angles. These seagulls have got layers.

Yeah. Well, the fries is now like a complete... Opposite angle. Yeah. And their wings are stuck on top. Next to them you have the giant fluttering men that are outside of the car sales place and the two different shapes of shape. I think it's cool that they are not just the same on both sides. Yes. Um, up, okay, so beneath the cabbage leaf. Yes. And above the, the waving men is these weird little Bakelite cats, which are obviously of a different generation. Yes. And they, they, they almost look like they're carved from jade or something,

but like they are clearly just like an older form of an acrylic or something. And they have white little spludges and their little tails. And like one is red and one is black. Yeah. And they kind of almost gummy bear. The issue is once again, that the, the piercing element is very like generic, like hardware, but that is probably the more interesting. I, because what I think I can see on them is like a very bad application of where the

paint should be. Which is fantastic. Yes, yes. So I, I'm glad you said, because I am quite entranced by them. They almost look like they would have a, like a curse or the soul of a young girl trapped inside of them. Yes. Oh, and also because that white is yellowed with time and that's good cream. Yes It's not bright white. Yes, I want to retro UV

You know do them. Okay, let's elder. I think we've reached the end. We actually almost have described all of them Yeah, with the exception of smiley lemon and space invaders And pizza slice and a few clouds with some things. I do like the carrot because like the bat, carrots do dangle like that. And I like the little bear studs up the top as well. And the bees. You've already talked about the bees. I didn't, but I did.

We've already talked about the bears and the bees. And there's a cat that is trying to do Gobble Ghost. Yeah, that cat can fuck right off. I feel like Zoe Deschanel would be delighted by that earring. Okay, sorry Christine. I don't know if we're still friends after this. Okay. And not because I'm... Christine you. I like Christine and I think this is if I walked into someone's house, I'd be delighted by this woman. Yeah, now if you saw this on the wall, would you be brave enough to say something or would you talk about it on the podcast?

But the little cats, which little cats, the cats, the cursed cats, the Gobble ghost cat. No. Oh, okay. I think it's either them or it's the cabbage leaf. Oh, and I'm leaning the cabbage leaf. Oh. And I'm leaning towards cabbage leaf just because of the volume. And I'm a drag queen. Oh, no.

See the. And the hardware on the cats, all those acrylic on the cabbage leaf. Yes. The acrylic on the cabbage leaf is what puts me off. But you could imagine because of how it's rendered, because it's this kind of marbled Merlot. Yeah. You could imagine it's a polished stone if you wanted to.

It doesn't look too acrylic. It's nice. It doesn't. It's rounded. It's not like the laser cut edge. I'm just imagining, okay, the woman who comes to review my MoMA show, she could be wearing those earrings. You could put that earring on, you could put the cabbage leaf earring on the most fabulous and famous woman in the world. Like Nicole could wear that earring. I don't think

Nicole would wear the cat earring. No. Like I think the cabbage earring could read high fashion in the right context. Yes. That could be like Gucci in the right context. Whereas cat earring is always forbidden cursed cat earring with the soul of a young drowned girl. Yes. Which is, you know, I love.

But the hardware always betrays it as not like... It's from Etsy. There's no soul in there. like it's from Etsy there's no soul in there it was purchased from Etsy and it was one of those Etsy lots that was like cursed object yeah I could start selling cursed objects yeah see okay well yeah I think a cabbage leaf come on I do love I, I'm so torn by the top. Also, we didn't talk about the wattle, which is probably the first thing. Wattle?

Yes. Is it wattle? Gum more, gum more. Yeah, I don't know. But the, it kind of looks like candy glass. I do like that they've taken the hard edges off the acrylic. Yes. It might even be glass.

Maybe. Because it doesn't look like acrylic. If it is, it's reading dinosaur designs, in which case, no, you're not in. Um, oh, look. Oh, I think it's, I think it's either the tiny teddies or the cabbage. Yeah, the tiny teddies or the cabbage. Yeah, the tiny teddies, I'm quite tantalised. But once again, the hardware betrays it.

Yeah, the hardware. Oh, you just gotta get that done. And also Nicole's not wearing tiny teddies. No. But Nicole could wear cabbage leaves. All right, cabbage leaves it is. Incredible. Well, cabbage leaves, you're in the bunker

and you're on Nicole. And you know what, Christine, the great thing is until the apocalypse comes, you can have use of those earrings. But the second the apocalypse comes, we're taking them and leaving you to die in the ghost water. Yes. Okay, well, Christine, you best be wearing them

at the next live. Let's get live. Let's get live. All right. Bye bye. Hello again. Dasha. Okay.

Now you've given it away. You've already given it away. Oh, is it a painting? But which character from The Others goes into the bunker? Let's get a lift! And if Nicole needs a pair of earrings... Okay, so, Zelda came over for Jennifer the other night, and I said, can we watch The Others now? Because I've been waiting for you to see this film for so long.

Because I know you'll love it. And also, it's such a good film to reference anytime I... I've been waiting for you to see this film for so long, because I know you'll love it. Yeah. And also, it's such a good film to reference any time I, you know, it's like a very draggy film. Yes. So Zelda, tell me about what you thought of the film, The Others, and for the uninitiated, what they can expect.

OK, so The Others is a, um. Matt, have you seen it? I actually haven't. Oh, OK. Well, so Matt, it's a part of, I think it's called like spook cinema and... Is that right? Spook cinema. Yes, that sounds correct.

And the film opens with three lost travelers coming upon a mad scene. Give me the whole film, just the synopsis. Yeah, well, that's what I'm doing. She's painting a picture. Okay, sorry. Keep going. So you can keep it or you can put it in your photo. Or you can let it get damaged with water. Ghost water. Yes.

So these three people arrive at a mansion and they're answering a want ad for... It's 1945 as well. Oh, yes. Immediately after the Second World War. Is that what happened? And yes, so they answer this want ad for this like, yeah, like mega mansion. And there is a, there is a, what's her vibe? She's not disgruntled, but she's, she's highly strong. This highly strong mother of two whose partner is off at war.

And she, and the previous, I was going to say servants. What are they? Like house, house servants. Yeah. Disappeared a week prior. The staff. In the middle of the night. They didn't even take their checks.

They just disappeared. So these three new people arrived to help of the night. They didn't even take their checks. Yeah. They just disappeared. So these three new people arrived to help, uh, maintain the house. There's like a gardener and then, um, others, um, and then you quickly find out that the children of Nicole are allergic to the sun, so every curtain must be drawn in the house at all times. And if you open one door, you close it before you open the next because- To lock all the doors.

Yes, because light could creep in and kill her children. Yeah. And we go from there. And would you describe, how would you describe how Nicole looks? Nicole look like stunning. Like it is, it's also like it's very like that is how Nicole looks when you think of her. I think it's like quintessential look.

Yes, she's blonde. Her hair is not perfect, like perfectly styled, but it is exceptionally styled and beautiful, like cropped like a curl. She looks very of the era, but also kind of quite timeless. Yeah. Her like skin is perfect. She looks like... Semi-translucent.

Yes, and like kind of ageless. Like she could be 28. Well, because it's 25 years ago now. Yeah. So she would, how old would she have been? Shh. Yeah. So she would, how old would she have been? Yeah. But yeah.

And I mean, I suppose the styling is all very like drab because of the era, but, um, which maybe ages her up a bit in appearance, but, uh, like she's incredibly svelte, like very Nicole and her outfits are extremely tailored. Um, not completely masculine, but not very feminine. Just like she's 34 in that film. Okay. Yeah. So she's younger than you are now.

Yeah. Um, I'm sure she'd have bit about the Minecraft movie as well. Okay. Well, I'm sure she'd have bitched about the Minecraft movie as well. Okay, well. It just hurt. It hurt like the, like, Berlin Film Festival and one of those panels being like,

it just doesn't make sense. It's not in the game. Yeah, except she's got a stronger Australian accent than I do. Particularly in this film where she's meant to have a British accent. Yes, oh my God. God, Nicole, how has she never gotten the accent? That's incredible. So the. Um. God Nicole, how has she never gotten the accent? That's incredible. So the characters in play are Nicole, then. Oh she's so good. Child one, this uppity little girl,

who's maybe like five. Giving mad man kin and ship care and she's definitely like ten. Oh sure. And then another child, little boy, who's maybe four. And then there's the three help. An old man. Old man. A mute young girl. Yes. And then Irish woman who's in her like 60s. Who's got a lot to say.

And fabulous hair as well. Yes. Then later we're visited by the husband. He makes an appearance. He's killed people at war. Yes. He's been through it. Yes. Then later we're visited by the husband. He makes an appearance. He's killed people at war. Yes. He's been through it. Yeah. Is that everyone that we see in the film? Well, yes, until the twist. Round the twist. Which we're not going to like ruin or should we? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. So who's the contender? Because I think the bunker needs more of a haunting. Well, that's true. At all times. Well, who's the contender? Because I think the bunker needs more of a haunting.

That's true. At all times. Well, that's the thing. So yes, I mean, I guess there's also the presence of the others, which is the little girl starts talking to a little boy named Vincent. Oh, I just realized I've got my pitch, you say. And then she also says that she's been seeing an old woman around the house, who like has ghostly eyes. Yes.

And I think that is everyone. Yeah. Nicole. My children. Stay away from my children. Why were you crying? The. Anne.

Oh, Anne. I mean, that's the thing, right? So watching this film, knowing about my friend Anne's existence, and then we have Anne in the bunker. Like never has a movie stated a character's name so many times as Anne is said. The awful daughter is Anne. Anne, Anne, why must you keep playing these wretched games on me? Oh, that Anne. Anne, Anne, why must you keep playing these Richard games on me?

Oh, that Anne. Um, but she hasn't had time to finish it yet. Mother. Yeah, it is giving, um, do I just say this, but like January Jones and Mad Men and Keenan Shipka, like that is the relationship that she has with her, like frumpy little daughter Anne. Yes, yes. Who's got like little daughter Anne. Yes, yes. Who's got like little rat teeth. Oh yes. And I mean the whole film is lit in a haunting way,

but oh, it doesn't do her any favors. No. No. No. No. Anne, you're telling me you're 10, you look 35. Yes. God.

I can't believe Nicole could still be 25. She could play your daughter. Actually, let's, for the next scene, let's try it that way. See if anyone notices. It's like that crone is her daughter. You couldn't even notice that scene where... Yeah, where she's replaced by the old woman. I was like, that's just Anne.

Why is she screaming? If anything, she looks more rejuvenated than us. Yeah, her skin's really clumped out. She looks more rejuvenated than us. Yeah, her skin's really clumped out. So, the key chain is a great character contender for the bunker. Yes. So, okay, Nicole wanders around the house in her incredibly tight, perfectly tailored suit.

She has kind of iterations on this suit. She's got one main suit. Yeah. Like it's like a, it's a structured top. Yeah. Suit, dress. It's got a collar. And then she also has this long, like evening gown-y thing, but it's still black.

Yes. And it looks like a giant overcoat. It's like a giant overcoat, but it's almost bordering on something you could wear to bed. Yes. Um, or around the house. So like when she's getting up in the middle of the night, cause she's just heard like sounds around the house. She whisks on this incredible Cloaky coat. It is just what, what a film. Oh, it's a really, but she has a key chain because she carries around all the keys to the house. And the, uh, the old woman servant also is gifted a key chain to questionable results. Um, but the key chain is fabulous because she never skips a beat for knowing which key is for Nicole, but like they all look the same.

There's no like Bunnings, you know, like Paul print. Well, you know that she was a kind of a prequel to Bisexuals at festivals that do the stage management. Yes. Have like big keys. Yes. And they just know what everyone is for. Yeah. Maybe every key is just the same.

Just cut the song. No need to destroy the fantasy. But that is the fantasy. No, but that is the fantasy. Well, and then the other thing that we already have in the bunker that is incredible, but the way that it's administered in the film is amazing, is that she has an oil lamp, like a kerosene lamp. And when she walks into a scene, the way that it goes is like, obviously, if you're on a film, a kerosene lamp is like, obviously, if you're in a

film, a kerosene lamp is not going to light a film set. So they have these like soft gauzy spots that like slowly fade up and like obviously directionally, like the light doesn't even make sense to be coming from the kerosene lamp. But it's so fabulous. It's like she's wandering around this vast manner in her perfect hair with her perfect the kerosene lamp, but it's so fabulous. It's like, she's wandering around this vast manner in her perfect hair with her perfect skin and her perfect face and this lantern.

And she's just like slowly being like lit by this, like most Hollywood soft lighting you ever see. Isn't that the type of lighting we have in the bunker too? Yeah. What's the type, is it memories of your, what's the lighting we have? I don't know what you're talking about. I thought it was like memories of your deceased loved one or something. Oh, it does sound like something we'd say.

Mama, ask you Val. The other, another key location is the gravestones that are covered in leaves and the whole outside world covered in fog, skeletal trees. Yes. And her vast manner and her like watery blue eyes. Oh yeah. Staring out at the fog. Oh, she's actually stunning.

So I think. Give you a bit of Nicole Kidman. That's good, yeah. I think my pitch for the character from The Others that we put in the bunker is the... footsteps upstairs. Ah! So scary!

Because there's this particular scene where Nicole is crafting. Well, she's crocheting. No, is she? She's doing her hoop and needling. What is it? Yeah. Yeah. And she's quite perturbed by Lydia upstairs causing a ruckus. It's not really necessary to clean so loudly. Lydia's the mute tasker. Yeah. She can't talk, but she can still make a lot lot of noise If you're mute, how can I still hear you? Yeah, I wish your feet were mute as well. That's Nicole And so she's having a moment she speaks to the like old lady and he's Irish Yeah, can you tell Lydia to shut up up there? Tell Lydia to shut up up there, please. I'm trying to do my things

and I'm already stressed out enough, listen here. Yes, you know my children are allergic to the fucking sun, right? Can you keep it down? When she explains that to them again, like, who opened these curtains? My children are allergic to the sun. No one's brave enough to tell her

that that's an insane thing to say. It is a real thing though. Oh, come on. Yeah, like gluten free. And then there's more noise and Nicole's had enough. She's getting up. She's going to go and have a word with her herself. But then what's this?

The two of them are outside. She sees them through the window having the conversation and poor Lydia is like, bitch, I wasn't up there. I'm out here. Yeah. And yet we just heard the footsteps upstairs. Was it the others? That's so scary. So scary. And the footsteps are just so scary. Because my husband just went away to Darwin, like Nicole. And so I'm in this crumbling manor myself, where there are occasionally the sounds of the ceiling falling in, in the middle of the night. Do you hear footsteps up there?

Well, yeah, you do hear footsteps in my house, because our house, our corridor runs alongside and the next door neighbors, we share a wall. And so occasionally in the middle of the night, I'll hear footsteps. And I hope it's next door. Do you know what is- And you live alone as well. Yes, but I am now so immune to the possums slash demons.

Like I hear, I almost find it like comforting now. Like, and when Poland was at my house, there was a time where they were going for it and he was like, what the fuck is that? I was like, ah, it's just the possum. You're in Adelaide like, oh, possum in wall, white noise, please. Yeah. I need to go to sleep. Sorry, I sleep to that. I get a complaint from the hotel room next to mine. Like there are strange sounds. I'm

like, I've never heard a brush tail possum before. Did you slicker? Living your fast, adult life. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, that sound. Oh, so scary. Yeah. Well, I think I can't believe that I got taken to see this at

the cinema with my mother, but like it's cause it's like, it's more like gauzy Victorian gothic-y than it is horror. But, God, it's good. It just like, it maintains a fabulous tension. Yes. And it doesn't overdo anything really. Like, there's no blood. No.

There's like, no, it's like, it's quite spare visually. Yeah. It just lets you kind of be in this very grey, like, you can't even remember like, it's like, it's quite spare visually. It just lets you kind of be in this very gray. Like you can't even remember, like, there's not like one room where it's suddenly like a whole different color scheme. It's all these super muted, washed out, like tones of like, you know, gray and fog,

and then like these like warm-y nighttime colors. But it does, it just never tips its hand. And I was watching the videos of them on set for this film, and I was saying to Zelda, this was like a Spanish director who'd never directed a film in English before, and he didn't speak any English when he went on set to make this film. And he's just there with Nicole, with a translator,

and the whole crew was speaking Spanish, but like, there was a big thing I just think that's incredible. Oh it's so cool. It kind of explains why this film has such a weird sensibility that isn't like isn't a classic Hollywood film. The question that I had after the film which listener if you've seen the movie you you'll get it. If you haven't, there's no time, but is like, did the husband actually come back? Like, was that all just like a ghostly vision or like all the other characters interacted with him? So was he really there? But in what way? Like, but even that doesn't really matter. And it didn't sway it to like, it's supernatural land where like vampires are in like three doors down.

Everything like, no, it still like holds this like the weight of like the war and what that does to people. It is scary. But it doesn't like, oh. I think that that part of it is really unnerving because I think the idea of like being kind of removed from the war as it was happening and then have someone come back and that, because you do feel like in the film you're really chained to this manner and you have no sense of any part of like, because I think it's sometimes like a thing that period pieces will do is that like magically, miraculously everyone has this

kind of omnipotent worldview and understanding of like the events taking place as if like they are watching it from a contemporary standpoint. And then what this film does really well is like, people were just very confused. They knew what was happening, but the like in the war, but you know, for the kind of sins of World War II to really come to light, it took years. Yeah. So when people came back, I don't think they had a straight understanding of like, what sort of things these people were seeing. Yes. And so they just come home and be shells.

Yeah. And like you're Nicole Kidman and you've been trying to keep your life normal for your children. Yeah, you know, they're allergic to the sun, right? Well, they're allergic to the sun. Yeah. Incredible. It's like, yeah, things are going down in Germany, but did you know about- Well, that's it.

She's fighting a war all of her own. Yeah. With her staff. Against the sun. Nicole versus the sun. Yes. Who took down the curtains? Oh, and then, yes, there's an incredible, okay.

Like kind of in the tradition, the grand tradition of hysterical women cinema, uh, which is my favorite because you'll take, like it's whatever happened to baby Jane, it's mother, it's all of these like black swan and all of this stuff of like women and they're like up against these kind of domestic issues that send them slowly insane. But like the kind of one of like the key boiling points, like massive, you know, change scenes is when Nicole comes in and all the curtains are gone and she's running around the house and like in each room She runs in and then she looks up to the curtain rod and there's just

Rod She's got the children under her fabulous cloak. Yes, and they're scurrying around That little girl and The kids are just, that little girl Anne. Just for the whole scene. And she like takes them down to the basement and she's like, you're safe. And she's like, skin is on fire. Yeah. And then she turns to her staff and she says, you will find those curtains.

We will hang them all and then you will leave. I love that she was like, you'll help me hang them and then you'll get out. Then you're fired. Yeah, truly. I'm like, what? Why would they do that first? Like if you've lost your job, you'd be like, see ya. Have fun without your curtains, bitch.

Yeah. It's incredible. I'm touching heavy curtains. Yeah, so good. Um, but yeah, that's cause it's like that scene in Mother, Darren Aronofsky's film, which is terrible but incredible, where Jennifer Lawrence the entire time as the hysterical woman, Mother Earth, is like the house isn't finished being renovated yet and there's like a bench top that hasn't been properly reinforced.

And so as the house is slowly filling up with humanity and all these people, she's like, stay off the bench, stay off the bench. And then finally at the breaking point, she sees people in the kitchen and they're sitting on the bench and it cracks and breaks. And she's like, no! The bench was not reinforced! And it's incredible, but yeah, another high point in hysterical women's cinema. That's very good.

Yeah. So. But I do, I mean, I need to give a quick shout out to the little boy in the others who looks like an old man. Yes. And he's the cutest little boy. Yes. He's got these expressions. He looks like a little man and he's the cutest little boy. He's got these expressions.

He looks like a little grumpy gentleman and he's so cute. Stop kicking me. Yeah, that poor little boy and he's so pale as a ghost. Yes, I love this one scene a bit earlier in the film where Anne, Anne and the boy for some reason sleep in the same bed, whatever. It was the war. There are no other rooms. In that mansion?

Yeah. I think they had separate beds. Were they not in the same bed? I think they had two singles. Oh, okay. Well, whatever. And Anne is like, Vincent? Vincent, Vinnie has opened the curtains and he, and little boy is like, Anne, it was you. Don't trick me. And then she's like,

no, Vincent's in here. He's over there. Like, and it's dark and it's nighttime. And you only see it from the boy. Like you're like on the boy. But you see a figure open the curtains in the background that you think is Anne. Yeah, but it could be a boy. Because Anne has such a mannish frame. Yes. Fuck that Anne. But then there's this one scene, like one shot where it kind of like is just sitting on like the folds of a curtain that's been pulled back and where

someone might be hiding behind it. And that tension is so scary. And the little boy rightfully turns away and just ducks his head under the covers and is like, I don't just want to deal with this reality. Just stop it. And then she says, Vincent, show that you're here and touch him. And then you see a hand reach into frame and you don't know if it's Anne's hand or Vincent's hand. The angle seems unlikely. How'd you get around the bed that fast? Oh, anyway, so scary. Very good. Maybe hand touching cheek? It's a character. I don't think you understand what a character is.

Who'd have thought the script had like a line for hand touching cheek or keychain? Although keychain is fair because that's kind of like saying, you know, keychain is the fifth girl in Sex and the City. Yes, exactly. God. What character do you think? I am compelled by old Irish housekeeper because I love a stoic woman who just gets pissed off at Nicole's bullshit, but also her hair. Sometimes it's in a braid, but then you see her late at night and she's got it out.

She sleeps with it out. But then she tucks it up into a tight bun during the day. Contrary to how women actually wear their hair. Yeah, why would a woman? Tied up at night. But she also drops the bombshell on Nicole of, baby, we used to work here before. Yeah. Yeah.

We've come back to the manor. Yeah, we actually know the house. Thank you, Nick. Well, because the bit that's like at the very start, Nicole goes out to the post box and she says, they were meant to collect this message that I was looking for new staff, but they haven't. The postman never came. And so why did they show up? Yeah.

How did they know that she was looking for new staff? Which is an unsatisfactory response. How Nicole didn't scratch that one a bit further because they're just like, we were just looking for work. We're just walking around. Yeah, we do that. The house is like this. They do be needing help.

And then she's like, but we did work here before. Yeah. It's like, that's scary. Yeah. What? Yeah. Anyway, it's like when that mowing guy shows up and asks if he can mow your front lawn or like a plumber puts his bag in your letter box. Like if I needed a plumber, I'd use the internet to find the only people using

that technology also every time I get one, I feel so guilty throwing away. Cause I'm like, this costs them money. And then they walked around, but I don't want this. It's so ugly. Can't you put it on your fridge? No ugly. What? I got into bed the other night as the others.

Um, and I have really bad circulation. So my fingers are always really cold. Um, I think I've got got Alzheimer's and I'm having a stroke. But I climb into bed, Kurjan's already asleep and I like put my icy fingers... On his cheek? No, on his like, I'm like, you know, because like... On his cheek? Oh! You're bad. We're not married. Oh, you're bad. We're not married. Anyway, so I like, I'm trying to get his body warmth quickly so we can get past

the awkward freezing ice. Wait, are you like rogue absorbing his heat through your fingers? Yes. Oh my God. And then he's like dead asleep, but he like pushes me away and like really violently lashes back because of how cold my fingers are. And, and then he's like, no, no. And then I like, he settles down and then I like, back to work. And then

like I crawl back over and he goes, no, no. And then he goes, ugly. What? And then I'm like, please. And then I like go back in for the third and final time and he gets up out of bed asleep and pulls all the blankets off the bed and walks towards the door, stops like three feet before the door and is like,

I'm asleep. And then gets back into bed. Spooky. So your house is haunted. No, individually possessed. Yeah, but he does like, um, like he's very like, if you talk to him while he's asleep, he'll talk back. That's so scary.

No, you can't say that. Like that's a normal thing. No, cause he's like in this like weird dough zone, but it's really cute. Cause he'd be like, I love you so much. That's not what he said. He screamed no. And ugly. Yes. Well, that's the first time he said that normally he's very like, I love you.

But yeah. Should have led without one. Yeah. Wow. I mean, we could put that, is that a character from the others? We can put that in. Okay, so Matt, you haven't seen the film,

but you've now heard about all the characters. Which one tantalizes you the most? I like the sound of that little boy that looks like an old man. That does feel like, why don't you have, you need like, I know that you're like. That was me when I was little. Yeah. I feel like you're on the tip of like, you've got a child, but like now you need a little boy that looks like an old man. Cause I think that would be such a good fit for you.

And who has like an old man energy. Yeah. Like could wear your little newsies hat. Yeah. A little tweed jacket. It's just, you know, reading the paper and. A little gentleman. Yeah. Take him to sovereign hills. I, like just reading the paper and... A little gentleman, take him to Sovereign Hills, they'll be like, you're an actor, get back to work. Yeah. He belongs in the mine.

You're not allowed in here, you can't come in here dressed as the characters. Yeah, that's right. It's gonna confuse the other guests. Back in the mine. Yeah, the children crave the mine. Yeah. So I fear that I'm not hearing a lot of support

for haunted steps upstairs. I think... That would be so good for the bunk house. That's just the sound that I'm not hearing a lot of support for haunted steps upstairs. I like that would be so good for the bunker. That's just a sound. That's not a character. Sound is a character. She was the sixth girl of the sixes. Yeah. The haunting noises above Carrie's apartment.

She just, she's like, ah, New York. You know how like, you know, like Buffy has like the musical episode. I mean, as obviously we all know about that. Um, and that's like fun, like genre mix. Why isn't there like a genuine, like horror episode of sex in the city? I don't think they did any like departure and form in sex and city. Well, apart from all those straight to camera interviews in season one. That's weird.

I love that. I wish they'd go back to that. But you know, like. But like they never did a musical episode of like, sex and the city. No. What a pity that you did it with a post it. With a what?

Post it. Okay. Yeah, anyway, that's just another thought. Be brave. Don't need to say all of them. So anyway, okay, footsteps upstairs. Well, we already have Nicole in the bunker. Did you know this?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And her clapping hands. And her clapping hands. Well, actually, no, we don't have Nicole in the bunker. We just have clapping hands. Yes. Um,

God, we need to make that. I forgot about that. How do they make that? I forgot about that. We needed to make that as Merck. Yeah, this time, this time, like truly. I mean, yeah, the old woman is good. What if we did the picture of that other old woman or the old woman that's on the floor under the veil under the community? We didn't say that part. No. So there's a scene where Anne-

Famously carried in Six in City, scary movie three. Where Anne is wearing her communion dress. Yes, and her veil. Yes. Because they haven't had their first communion. No. And there's a lot of discussion about- God.

God, because she's super religious, and she's teaching kids about the Bible. And she tells them that if they lie, because lying is a big theme of the film, and telling the truth about the others. But she says, you'll go to children's limbo, which is where children suffer for all eternity. And so she's like desperate to get her into a communion. So she doesn't have to go to the children's limbo Yes and so Anne is doing a dress rehearsal and she puts on the dress and then Anne is like mummy can I wear the dress for a while longer? No. Now you play Anne. Mummy. No go on. Can I wear the dress for a while longer? And then she says no and then she says please!

Please! Oh, alright. Alright, but no touching the walls and no sitting. Yes. In the dress. This needs to be perfect for your communion. And then she rushes off to the other room because she's heard her son having issues. Yeah, as he often does.

Oh, god. A little weakening. And then... Anne's playing. Yeah, and then Anne's playing. Nicole comes back in the room to see her on the floor, something she was specifically asked not to do. In a white communion dress. Yeah. This house is very dusty. Yeah. Anyway. The cleaners barely work. Too busy trotting around upstairs. Taking my curtains. Yeah.

And then... She gets closer. So she's doing a veil. Yes. And she's playing with a puppet. She's often seen playing with her little string puppet, a marionette. And she's playing with a puppet, her back to her mother in this beautifully lit room. Looks like a dance studio,

this big full length mirrors. She approaches her and through the like gauzy thin veil, she looks closer and it seems at first to be her daughter, but then she sees her hand, which is coming out from beneath the veil playing with the marionette. And it's that of a 90 year old woman. An old witch. Grizzled claw. Yes.

And then as she gets closer, she sees that her daughter is not her daughter. It's a woman. Yes. An old woman who looks up and says, Nicole, what's going on here? Or something. And she says, Mom, Mother, are you daft? And she's like, what's? And then she attacks.

You're not my daughter. And then she attacks her. Yes. And then when she looks back, it is her daughter. And she's attacked her daughter. And she says, you're a wicked woman. You're wicked. She does.

Wicked. And there are actually other characters in the film because later, spoiler, there's like a clairvoyant. They're doing like a seancey kind of moment to touch base with the ghosts of the house, which can you guess yet which ones are the ghosts? That old woman is the clairvoyant or whatever. Linda.

And her in like actual world is quite fabulous. Her like skin that has no collagen left is really something to behold. It's really good. That whole round table is pretty good. The new owner of the house with her little victory rolls. Oh, I feel so that you immediately stumbled into the thing that we weren't gonna do. Oh, yes. Spoil the film. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've done it. Been out for 25 years. Well, say it. What? You gotta say the part. Oh, they're all the ghosts. They're all dead. Yeah. Everyone's dead.

Nicole's been the ghost the whole time. So the film is a horror film from the ghost perspective, but it doesn't realize it's a ghost. Yeah, and the haunting, that's just the new family trying to move in. The reason the curtains have been taken down is because they've moved into the old manor. Yeah, and those curtains were fucking ugly and they're putting up Venetian blinds. And they keep having these small children running around, like their son is seeing, but no one else can. And they're terrified. And the people, the new staff, the groundskeeper are actually people that died there,

many moons before Nicole and they died of tuberculosis. And so when the husband comes back from war, he died at war and hits his ghost, kind of visiting the home one last time. Yes. It's so time. Oh, damn. Yes. It's so good. It's amazing. Also just the big reveal, Matt, I'm sorry, now you're getting the whole thing. I'm excited to see it regardless.

The big reveal is that Nicole killed her children and like smothered them to death after finding out that her husband had died. And then she walked into the other room and turned her and then killed herself with a shotgun. Yes. And then, um, when she turned around, she walked back into the room. Her children were playing and it was there goes. And so Nicole is now in limbo full time with her children that she killed.

Yeah. And it ends with her holding them being like, mother loves you very much. Yeah. But they also know, the kids know that she attacked them. Well, they should kill them. And now they know that she killed them. Yeah.

But they, I mean, forgiveness is powerful. Well, that's it. They're all in the afterlife together. Yeah. And those three, I thought it strange that

like if you were a dead ghost and then there were other ghosts that you were now having to live with for the rest of all time. Yeah. Like I wouldn't just be like, well, I suppose, but when I was alive, I was a gardener working in this manner and you were the owner of the manner. Death is the equalizer. Why would they still be their servants? Well I think in first, the Irish lady, the tuberculosis lady, she keeps saying like, she's not ready to hear it. And like the whole thing you're like, I think that this is, we're in the teething phase where they're like now just like slowly

starting to like, she's like, it's her job to now coax Nicole into realizing that she is in fact dead, but she doesn't want to force it all at once because she risks ocean madness. Yeah, Matt, like making her insane. And so instead, like they get the children on side first and kind of help them understand. Yeah, and then Nicole realizes it's so good Also as if ghosts can't go through doors when she locks the door behind them keeping the three ghosts on the outside I love it because it's like in the version where you're imagining how this was for the family And all the things she's doing like throwing stuff around and closing doors and locking them would be so scary.

Yes. Oh! But also the idea that like, you know, the idea of a haunting is really scary because you think it's an intentional, like malicious force. But instead it's just like this like lost spirit, which is like a really fabulous, like when people are explaining, like spirits that have unfinished business, it's like, they're not even aware of you. Yes. They're just in their version. And like when they're angered or confused, they're creating all this chaos around them,

but it's because they think that you're haunting them. Haunting them. And I think that's such a great, terrifying thing. Yeah. It's not about you. It's not about's such a great terrifying thing. Yeah. It's not about you. It's not about you. They're just in their reality. Yeah.

Um, okay. Yeah. What are we going to put in? I'll go for grunting noises upstairs. Yes. Grunting. Yes. Eating and grunting.

Wasn't it tiptoeing? It was like moving around furniture. Moving big furniture. Yeah. and grunting. Wasn't it tiptoeing? It was like moving around furniture. Moving big furniture. And grunting. Steps, steps, steps. Yeah, and maybe some grunts. I love that. That's my favorite character in the movie.

You're in. You're in. Okay, one left. See you soon. Hello. Hello. And welcome back for our final topic of discussion today, which returning to a format that we don't often do, but we do every now and then. This is just a straight, are they in or should we not put them in? Yes. And my question, Lacey Susan, is Michael Jackson in the bunker?

And the reason that I bring this up is that Janet Jackson at the AMAs did like a perfectly fine performance. Nothing compared to that incredible Jennifer Lopez. She really left it all on the floor. She said, you want a medley? I hate to borrow from the internet parlance, but the rent was due in such a big way. And she just, and I was like, do you know what Jennifer like? Despite the fact she did sing at the start and she was good

It's like good to remind people of like you forgot like you forgot that I'm a star Yeah, and I can dance and like in a world where like we're meant to be like absolutely enamored by Tate McCray It's like yeah this, there's space in entertainment for people like Britney, people like J-Lo who can't sing but can dance like a fucking, or aren't incredible singers. Yeah, but entertainers. But they're entertainers. That's the fucking point.

They're not meant to, not everyone, the fucking American Idol corrupted the brains of everyone where they're like, the only way you can be famous is if you can sing like Celine Dion. It's like, that is one type of entertainer. Not everyone needs to have an ungodly range in order to be a star. Yes. So she's incredible. Yeah, I agree. Everyone should back off and leave Katy Perry alone. One of our greatest tensors. Wait, no, which thing is she good at? Um, one of our greatest chances.

Wait, no, which thing is she good at? Space. Space. Her power is space, I'd say. I'd say, yeah. Touching cheek. Um, so Janet Jackson, um, I, I do love Janet Jackson. I love the way that she structures an album with all like the interludes. Very funny.

Like Derek Berry. Yes. It's such a strange trait that so few people indulge in, but when it shows up, you're like, this is so unnecessary. But Janet Jackson's voice is like, you can, I mean, obviously, but like you can hear that Michael Jackson injection because it's not a Michael Jackson injection. It's just a Jackson Jackson factor.

But it's so like when I was watching that performance, which like she looked amazing, like it was fine. She just, you know, it wasn't like the energy level wasn't as high. It maybe as it would have been, I don't know, 40 years ago, but that's how time works. Um, but it's like, imagine if he was still alive now, like what truth would be present, which obviously is the, you know, haunted child in the room. Yes.

Um, wait. Um, so like, but, but imagine a world where he was still around. Yeah. Like we're also in a world where Madonna is still around. Yeah. Which like, I don't know, it was quite interesting because for better or for worse, she's still around. Whereas like MJ was obviously cut off.

Yeah. But I don't know, it's just like, I just find that so interesting because such a icon icon icon. Yeah. To be gone when they could still be here is so bizarre. Yeah. And then Janet was never as huge as Michael, but she's still around. Like she's still got gay people who love her and everyone else who knows that she's Michael Jackson's sister.

Yeah. I just, I just find it so interesting. It is bizarre. I think like, I mean, it's a really like, there's no way of talking about Michael Jackson that isn't like a phenomenally tragic story. Either through the lens of like the accusations of, you know, being a pedophile and preying on young children, which is really devastating. And then also through the lens of this was a man who was phenomenally abused by his showbiz father and never had a second of actual life and was just forced to entertain for every waking moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's no kind of good way to reckon with that legacy. And I think it's the thing of, I don't know, I don't know. I think the weirdness of Michael Jackson, it's sad because I love having freaky, weird celebrities. I love the idea of sleeping in an oxygen-rich tank. I love the idea of buying a theme park to live in with your monkey. Yes. And all of that stuff is quirky, crazy, but then it's like, as soon as it gets to, I love to invite children. And I think it's like, as soon as it gets to, I love to invite children.

And like, I think it's like, even if you don't believe the accusations and don't believe any of the pedophile stuff, I just think at the end of the day, I'm not comfortable with the like sleeping in bed with kids and having slumber parties with kids. No. Even if it's not sexual, even if it's just a grown man using his incredible like wealth and influence to get parents to allow him to have like a childhood that he never had. So if that's completely asexual, it's still too far for me and I don't like it.

No, totally. Yeah. And I don't like it. No, totally. Yeah. And it is just such a shame. Yeah. Because the other side of the legacy of, you know, like, you know, just like pop music is so rich and fun.

Yeah. And like having both of those in the one person is such a like ball of chaos. Yes. Yeah. That it feels crazy to say anything about liking Michael Jackson. Yeah. Cause you're like, not all of it. Yeah. But I mean, like that's there's so many musicians still who, you know, correctly point out that he's the massive influence on their style and everything.

He is because he invented so much of what is now just contemporary pop in so many ways. Yeah. So. But I mean, as well, it's so interesting with those people, like with Beyonce or Taylor Swift or anyone, like you, I can't imagine a day where Beyonce is not considered to be one of the most famous people

in the world. Yeah. And yet that day will come because we live in a world where like Steven Tyler or Ringerist star or you know, like Katy Perry have now live in a bit more of a faded version. But it's like almost impossible to imagine when the world is like such a, I got such a fever pitch surrounding that person. I mean like they are the most famous person in the world and they will always be famous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you can't remember a time where they weren't but it's like, of course it will happen. Yes. Because it happened to them. Yeah. Like Michael Jackson was the most famous person in the entire fucking world. Yeah. And now- Undeniably. Yeah. And now... Undeniably.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um... Mmm... I don't know. I mean, I vote no. Oh, obviously no. Obviously no.

We've got, you know... We've got a pretty clean record. Yeah. Of no pedophiles. No pedophiles, yeah. So we're not going to... And I like to keep that bunker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Even if there's a chance. Even if he's just looking for a sleepover, it's a good thing. Yeah. And I like to keep that bunker. Yeah,iles, yeah. So we're not going to keep that bunker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if there's a chance. Even if he's just looking for a sleepover, it's still a no. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, but I wonder, like, obviously this isn't her time, but I wonder how Janet would go down there. I mean, I think she also suffers from like, yeah, the kind of the ripple effects of her father. Yes. She's a cursed child. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's like a doll. Yes. There's this, there was this period where I'm gonna get this so wrong. I knew it was slightly more accuracy in the past, but didn't you like marry some like, you know, like Emirates kind of like multi multi billionaire millionaire, whatever.

Yeah. She like stepped away from music for years and like wasn't seen for years and years and years and then has only recently come back to pop and like performing and stuff. But like, I remember on her like haters, it was like, she was like gone, like done because she'd gone in this other direction in her life. But now she's back,

but I don't know where that relationship is at. But I just, I don't know. Yeah. That stuff is so like, I don't know. They live in a different world. Yeah. Different reality. These people are crazy. And then she was at the AMAs.

Um, so it's a no. It's a no. Okay. Sorry, MJ. So this week in the bunker, we have the earrings. Yes. Let us leave. Yes.

We have the bump in the night sounds above the head of Nicole Kidman. And you know who's not making them? Michael Jackson. Because he's not in the bunker. He's not in the bunker. And that brings us to a close on another incredible episode of Death to Everyone. As the musician, Matt, do you have a 10 seconds comment about Michael Jackson? We'd like a statement. Yeah, no, I don't think he should be in the bunker.

It's um, yeah, music is great, but not a good person. I don't think. We could have the Skellington. Skellington of Michael. Well, his bones aren't pedophiles. Oh, I didn't say the Vidalago thing. I don't know. I'm a speedy lot of celebrities.

Yes. So, uh, in a nutshell, vitiligo is a perhaps autoimmune disease where the pigment in your skin is killed off and he got it on his hand. That's why he wore the glove. And then he funded most of the research into vitiligo in the eighties to not cure it, but instead accelerate it so that he could turn white. And that is where most of the vitiligo research has come from because it has no particular adverse effects on someone's health other than a bit more sun exposure risk.

So it's not really something worthy of millions and millions of dollars worth of research funding, but that is where most of the research was done in the 80s and not that much has happened since. Just so you know. And Zelda has been a lot. Yes. Thanks for listening. Thank you. Goodbye. Death to Everyone was recorded at Natural Habitats Studios by Matchiers. Our theme song and music was provided by EDCentric and Angus Leslie.

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