DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - 25 Years Later, We’re Trapped in 9/11 World | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Editorial cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM Eastern time. Today we discuss:• 9/11 led to legalized torture and wars based on lies. Have we learned anything? Despite WMDs, Trump is lying about Iran. Despite his lies, Bush is an elder statesman. Politicization of national security and patriotism is worse than ever. And the military budget keeps climbing even as Americans' quality of life continues to deteriorate. Will we ever escape 9/11?• Iran-backed Houthis seized Yemen’s port city of Mokha on the Red Sea coast. The advance raises the threat to shipping near the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, a waterway that connects the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and to global markets. Oil prices remain above $100 per barrel as energy markets assess mounting supply risks in the Middle East.SUBSCRIBE on YouTube/Rumble: $5/month$20/month on YouTube: Get a Closing Credit$50/month on YouTube: Exclusive Monthly Hangout with Ted and Jamarl (Rumblers: contact [e-mail] for details)MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

Good morning. It is Friday, September 11th, 2026th. You're watching the program with Ted Roll and Jamaral Thomas. Good morning, J.T. How are you? I'm doing fine. How are you doing? I'm doing better than MBS. I'm doing a hell of a lot better than MBS. What's up with MBS? His world is going to. Oh, oh, his. Oh, yeah, that's true. And we're going to be talking about that. We're talking about, of course, the advance of the Houthis, who basically are consolidating control along the Western. border of Yemen, which borders the Red Sea, and they've captured basically all of the ports, and now the key islands right off the coast. So basically, the Houthis now own the Bob L. Mandib Strait, which was Plan B for the Saudis. I guess now they go to Plan C, the pipeline for until that gets blown up. It's all good fun. Just to be clear, the pipeline has been blown up. The Ambu countrymen also was hit with multiple strikes. I can show you the video. I mean, or actually the plume of smoke from satellite imagery.

I'm sorry, plan D. So, hold on. Are you seeing the Mark Levine lied because he said that they're going to use pipelines to bypass all this and destroy the Iranian? Because the first thought is like, obviously they can hit the pipelines. No, you can't. J.T, they are cavemen. They have no military. Don't you know, listen, we have defeated Iran 100.

So many times so far. They have no military. They have no Navy. they have no air force they have nothing the streets of hormones are open thus that's why we've got to have this pipeline that just keep breaking down mysteriously how could i show you this pipeline just sort of i mean just it's just it's right here and yeah you can do uh screen share yeah sim the sim like to rabbi and he can put it up okay so it's right here first ground level image of the mass of 100 kilometer black smoke column rising from saudi arabia's east west crude pipeline captured six hours ago after yemen

answer law struck the pipeline on multiple points. The same plumes seen from Sentinel 3 satellite images from space. It is huge. Now, I'm putting this in the level of reporting, of reports, as opposed to this is a flat fact. But the reality of it is. Yeah, how confirmed is it? The pipeline just got hit. Yeah, the Yambu pipeline. I mean, it would be, it would make sense. I mean, certainly the Houthis. I mean, you know, this feels a lot like events that transpired five years ago in, in Kabul, where, you know, when things fall, when an advance breaks through, it goes really, really fast after years of stalemate,

but suddenly it's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, yeah, that's it. The Houthi consolidation of Western Yemen seems like that, it just went down really within a matter of days. I mean, and just to be clear, Saudi Arabia is screwed. Like, they, oh, that's so sad. Yeah, it's so. I'm going to cry. Don't make me cry.

I'm tonight I'm to be up so late not sleeping thinking about this I'm so worried for the B.S. Bonesaw. So, you know, Aw. Aw. That's such a beautiful character. That's right. That's a man of the bones like I'm supposed to give a shit about their country being torched. They started this war. If you remember, the New York Times did this reporting that Saudi Arabia, MBS goes to Obama and Obama who wants to get the JCPLA done but doesn't want Saudi Arabia to get involved in the JCPOA, that Obama listens to listens to what he's saying it's going to be quick we're going to be back by christmas and blah blah blah

obama walks and contemplates and dittles and he comes to the conclusion this will be a bloody war but he gives them the go-head anyway that is gt that that's what the new york town's report oh you need to pull of smoke yeah yeah that's insane yeah that's uh that's a lot of pollution that's i mean of course i mean it would have it would have just it would have just it's just all in a concentrated spot if it had that had map but it would have all gone in you know weren't gradually through our cars and factories so you say that these are we are they can't export or so you are you saying it for and so our loss hitting 50% of the ships and it just hit the pipeline that sort of rabid was used in to try to bypass so are you saying

that the huthies are environmental terrorists like they're not concerned about the affected greenhouse gases and car nobody is nobody is yeah nobody is nobody is i mean look it's i got to say So my son is in his 20s, and we had this conversation a few days ago, and it was deep, right? And he said, we were talking, and he goes, you know, I know that, like, people my age, we all know, we all know we're not likely to. There's a good chance we won't live out to see our natural lives because of, you know, the environment, you know, about climate change. And it's like, but we think it's kind of cool. And I was like, really? How is that kind of cool?

goes, well, we're it. We're the Omega Man. We get to sit back and we get to see the end of the movie of the, with the human story. We're the culmination. And I'm like, wow. I mean, I got to give you points for optimism. That's not the way I would have looked at it. We inherited a world and we have a responsibility to be able to pass a world on in a way that's intact and sustained.

And we are improved. Ideally, yeah. No, we're failing at it. Yeah, it's like, it's like Dan Savage has a, has a rule for older gay men who dating, dating young gay guys. And it's like, you know, it's the campsite rule. Like, leave them better than you found them.

And we're not doing that with the planet. Did you say there was a rule among gays about older gay men? Yeah, yeah, that's the dance savage, you know, that, you know who he is. Oh, that's funny. Do they have one for women like dating younger men like cougars? Well, Cougars definitely usually leave younger men better than they found them. I mean, having been with them at that age, you know, I mean, when I was at my 20s, I was with a few Cougars. And I came out of it, far improved.

Yeah, me too. I enjoyed it. It was one of the best times of my life. And you learn. It's like it's good for, it's really a win-win. I mean, really. Well, I don't know that. learn anything. But I do get your point. Like, it's, it's a tutorial. That's your point.

Right. You may or may not come out of it with an improved knowledge, but it is a tutorial. Okay, so obviously today is the 25th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks. And we need to talk about that. Just a reminder to everybody, just some housekeeping. So, Q&A show, as far as I'm concerned, is still happening today, but I'm on the road today traveling through the Midwest. So I'm not going to be able to do the Q&A show. But Rob is going to sit in for me. I mean, you're on a row. Do you want to, sorry?

Yeah, I'm finally scuttling. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm going to take him out Friday. Okay. Well, we could scuttle it. I mean, that's fine with me, too. I will be the wild card, because I don't know if I'll be doing work for Jeff Dornick today or not.

Okay. Okay. Well, let's go. No Q&A show today. No Q&A show. Okay. So, all right. So, all right.

So basically, this is the show. We're here Monday through Friday, Monday, 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. Eastern. Thanks for joining us, following, sharing, supporting the show. Please, please, please, do support by the show by subscribing. We also appreciate your super chats on YouTube and your Rumble Rants. And, of course, just a regular question. We, a TMI show is going to happen as it's supposed to, but with Robbie instead of me, hanging out with Manila. But to make it really interesting and weird, I will be on at 11 a.m. with Scott Stantis for DMZ. We have to talk about AI cartooning.

The Baltimore Sun published, became the first major newspaper to publish a completely AI cartoon, not created by where there was never, no cartoonist was involved in the creation of the cartoon. It's a total piece of shit, thank God. You know, what if it was good? But, but. How does it make you feel, though, that they're encroaching on your space? Well, we're dead. I mean, you know, look, there's like 10 of us left.

When I got into this, there was close to a thousand. So we're dodo birds anyway. So this is just like one more insult on the road to certain death. Basically, we've just jumped off the 102nd floor and we're about to smack into the pavement. I mean, that is how it is. But it's very, I mean, it's just sort of like at this point now, like the Baltimore Sun and these other papers doing this, they're just making themselves look stupid. And the interesting thing is they don't want to hire cartoonists,

but they want to run cartoons. And I don't really get that. It's kind of like... How are they making themselves look stupid? Well, because it's like the product is so bad and so poorly executed. And they literally, until a year ago, had a Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist for the economist, this guy, Kevin Callagher, who, you know,

was widely respected throughout the world of journalism. and, you know, big internationalist, great cartoonist. And, like, you know, you replace this guy. It's like, I don't know, it's like, it's firing. It's like, it's like getting rid of George Carlin and replacing him with Carrot Top or something. It's like, what the fuck are you doing? Except Herit Top, at least is a real person.

This is just literally they, it's total hackwork. And, I mean, you know, they're doing this with the rest of the paper. I mean, who would buy it, right? I mean, it's just, you know, it's like, look, you, the Baltimore Sun's dying. They will be out of business sooner rather than later. And this is just like the last chapter. But we'll be talking about that.

But anyway, it's fucked up. Anyway, so if questions, please put them in, Robbie will let us know what they are. We have one question here from Frazzle Drip Barone. A question for me. Did you know that Bush W. faced a threat similar to Shah Masood's assassination the morning of 9-11, and three unscheduled Arab journalists showed up at his hotel lobby. I did not know that.

So for people who are unfamiliar, right, on September 10th, 2001, the day before the attacks, there was a purported Italian camera crew showing up to interview Ahmed Shamasood, who was the leader, the general, the warlord of the Northern Alliance. from 1996 to 2001, the Northern Alliance basically controlled 5 to 10% of Afghanistan, all in the northeast in that little part that looks like a tongue. It's called the Wakhan Corridor. And their little capital was in Badakshan way up there. Anyway, so these guys showed up like, hey, we're here to interview your great general,

and the camera was a bomb, and it blew him up. And the conventional thought is that Osama bin Laden basically knew that the 9-11 attacks were going to bring down hell and fury on Afghanistan. And in order as a sop to his Taliban hosts was like, hey, I got rid of your biggest enemy. So you will be able to, if you survive all this, he'll be able to consolidate control over the entire country. I mean, it only took 20 years, but the Taliban did eventually, of course, do that five years ago. But, yeah, no, I didn't know that. I mean, I can't imagine the Secret Service would ever allow, you know, an unscheduled interview with the President of the United States. So, all right, well, so we should talk about, you know, obviously, oh, well, we can talk, well, we're going to talk about the Houthis, and we've got to talk about.

9-11 and basically what happened as a result like kind of where are we how it affected things you know what's what what in what ways did the changes remain permanent in what ways do we sort of just move on and sort of like you know what does it all what did it all mean really in the end um but what do you want to do first tomorrow let's do 9-11 get it out the way all right um i guess you ask a question what does it all mean nothing it doesn't mean anything All of those Americans lost their lives for nothing or for, let's say, criminal behavior and criminal activity. The million dead Iraqis that had families and friends and mentors and everything else, they died for ultimately nothing for a criminal enterprise of trying to expand U.S. military or, let's say,

expand the United States into the Middle East. And we spent trillions of dollars to do it. that could have honestly been better spent, just put on the White House line and just burn. The very many people still would have been alive. Thousands of Americans would have been still alive. ISIS wouldn't get running rampant through Iraq and Syria, etc. Like meaning we set a fire all throughout the Middle East. And the country, Afghanistan, went back to the Taliban.

Iraq is kicking us out. Supposedly, we'll see. I mean, it's still a military, being military. occupied, but we're supposed to leave at the end of the month. And so we asked, what was it for? I'm going to say nothing. I mean, you could say we've taken down Libya. You can say we've taken down, yeah, you can say we've taken down Libya and you can say we've taken down Syria. Those things are true. But what does that have to do? We destroyed both of those countries. Yeah, but what does that have to do with me as an American? Well, I mean, let's, I mean,

I think, you know, obviously those were, I mean, these were huge wins for the military and complex and for the surveillance state and for the expansion of the authoritarian surveillance state. But I wanted to talk about also the, you know, the goal of the planners, right? I mean, what is the goal of asymmetric warfare, 19 assholes with box cutters, hijacking four planes? What was the goal? And, you know, the goal was obviously, you know, from the standpoint of Al-Qaeda, to expose the United States as a... hegemonic violent anti-Muslim monster in the you know that was occupying the holy land of that that hosted mecca that was sucking up to the Zionists and suppressing the Palestinians and

Israel and the and I think they won beyond their wildest dreams I mean there's that famous tape of bin Laden hanging out and sort of you know in the after report with his buddies talking about 9-11 and he says you know, you know, I studied architecture. I was an architect. And he's like, I really didn't think the buildings were going to collapse. He said, I didn't count on, I didn't count on the cheap, on the cheap construction in the United States. Oh, that's low. That's low. And he said, and they all, and there's kind of some, some rueful chuckles when he says that, right? And he's like, you know, the, so yeah, cheap, cheap, I mean, you know, I mean, he's not wrong. He certainly probably,

didn't give any thought to the asbestos bomb that was released in lower Manhattan. And, you know, the thing is, but I think this went beyond his wildest dreams, right? He was hoping to make a splash, but look at where we are. I mean, he won. I mean, they won. I mean, the whole Muslim world has turned against us, and we might have our dogs and, you know, we have some, you know, we have the Emirates and we have these other, you know, the Qatari government and so on. But we, but basically the people have never been more anti-Muslim. We ended up getting lured, not lured, drawn. I don't want to say that.

But we ended up going in, thinking that this was a big opportunity. But actually, we were playing right into, you know, the hands of the Islamists who claimed that we just hate Muslims and are trying to exploit the entire world. I mean, we fed totally into their narrative. in the same way that, you know, Hamas was kind of hoping to expose Israel. I mean, the Hamas leadership would have cried if Israel had decided to treat it like a police action and not bombed anything. Again, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would have cried

if the United States had treated 9-11 as a, well, what did we do wrong? What could we do better? We're so sorry. Why are you so mad at us? and just like made it like we were asking the hague for help to help we want to just get you know put it have an international trial and see who's guilty and there's we're not going to militarize this they would have cried they didn't want that to happen you know because they were like trying to you know they had an agenda to to sell it and you know we fit the bill perfectly yeah i mean the way I think of it is they make an argument of this is what we say you are and of course the U.S. is going to say, well, we're not that we're loving love and justice.

We just want democracies and we want, you know, all of these beautiful things for the world. And you're right. The planes and everything else just kind of expose what policy was. I mean, it's what the neocons wanted, by the way. Hey, here's a great reason for us to go kill a lot of people and to, expand American military power and military might and reshaped the Middle East through U.S. military might. Here's a great excuse for it. Which you're right, played into the hands of the people who wanted them to do so. We spend trillions of

dollars. We kill a lot of people and we expand into this particular region. But, you know, there were obviously consequences for that. And there was obviously the blowback in regards to the way that the U.S. dealt with that. There's a great John. John Carracko, I don't know if he ever mentioned us. He was saying how he was in a meeting once. And tenant is listening, is in a meeting. And John is like the recorder, the writer for it. Dick Cheney comes on and it's like, now that we've taken Iraq, we're going to be in Iran in, let's say, three weeks.

And, of course, the people in the meeting was like, you're out your fucking mind. Nobody would say that in Dick Cheney. But that was the way he was thinking about it. We can just move through the Middle East. Nobody could stop this. There won't be anything in our way. We can go all the way to Iran. What, this is 20-something years?

And Iran has kicked our ass. I agree with you, J-T, that the American people did not benefit from what we did with after 9-11, but Israel has. The whole reason why they're considered a strategic bulwark is that they are our shield against the Islamic world.

Without 9-11, they would not have the support, to effectively annexed southwestern Israel. They would not have, or southwestern of Syria, they would not have had the ability to go in and kill those filthy Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank. They wouldn't have carte blanche support from American Zionists, for which I'm ashamed to say, a large number of American Christians are numbers of, to go in and effectively control southern Lebanon. So Israel, one, once again, American interests take a backseat. Once again, the American people lose.

And Ted, one please, I would push back. Maybe the Arab people are pissed off. But what are they doing? I mean, Israel just committed a genocide against Gaza. If they're mad at their governments, they have the ability to affect change at home to demand their governments intercede and interject what Israel is doing. You're talking about the Muslim governments. The Arab street has done nothing.

The Arab Street in Jordan has done nothing. The Arab street in Syria has done nothing. The Arab street in Iraq has done nothing. The Arab street in Saudi Arabia has done nothing. So it's kind of like the whole American problem. Look at those Israelis killing our Muslim brothers. Oh, let me go buy some more moves. Seriously, stuff your outrage.

Where are you when it matters? Well, I mean, look, there's apathy everywhere. And, I mean, it's more understandable in the countries that you mentioned, Robbie. Because, I mean, look, in Saudi Arabia, if you stand up against the government, if you do a protest, you very likely could end up executed. You know, and that's true in most of the countries that you mentioned. You know, you'd be lucky to escape just with a good beating. You know, I mean, being imprisoned is kind of like the least of what you could expect.

But these are authoritarian dictatorships. I mean, Jordan isn't a democracy. You know, I mean, none of these countries, as the Israelis would like to point out, are democracies. I agree. But that's not the argument. The argument is that you said is that the Islamic Uma, the people themselves have never been more unified with realizing what America is and how the governments are in bed with Israel. So my question is clear on that point. Yeah.

Is then sure. If you have 50 or 100 people, 100% what you're saying is 100% true, it's just like here. If you had tax protests, you got 70 people show up, they should be under prison. But if a million people rise up, what are they going to do? That's what you're saying, them being pissed off, but the evidence of that rage is not existent. Those two things don't compute.

You got to pick aside here. It's the same problem. You know, Americans get pissed off, but we do nothing on here on our end. I mean, come on. I mean, okay, you know, since the United, since 17801, when we became independent, I mean, you know, how much of that time have a sizable number of Americans been pissed off? 100%. How many, how much of that percentage of that time did we have like, you know, spent with Shays Rebellion or Occupy or Tea Party or the, you know, the rebellions of the 1960s? I mean, I don't know, one half of one percent. I mean, people don't spend all. all their time protesting when they're pissed off. They need to be organized. They need to be motivated.

There has to be a spark. I mean, I guess my point is, it's not unimportant. The feelings are there. They just haven't found an outlet yet. But they could, and they probably will at some point. Yeah, I agree. And I think something's going to happen here. And as far as the American people go,

was it Sherman that said when I get done the American South won't want to consider war again for 100 years because of the total the destruction was so total maybe that's the same thing that the Arabs went through but there's a little bit of a difference though is just so you have these countries that carved up they're artificial and by me by that is that they were carved

up by the after the fall of the Ottoman Empire there's no there's no history there for lack of a better word Well, that was intentional, right? Oh, sure. Sort of like what Stalin did with the Central Asian republics. So maybe that's why. But I guess I just, I don't know. I would, as a funnilist Christian,

I sincerely hope that the Muslim people stand up and do what my Christian brothers and sisters all have the balls to do, which is actually stand up and make a ruckus. Yeah, as F.U. So correctly points out in psychology, this is called learned helplessness, which is, you know, there's experiments. experiments with they use dogs I guess they wouldn't do that now but like one set of dogs in a controlled experiment they basically beat randomly and rewarded randomly and so they never really the dogs were not able to correlate like if I might their behavior to the response like

basically you know if they were obedient they may or may not get beaten or rewarded or if they were rebellious the same thing and that's certainly basically at a certain point, they were just reduced to quivering puddles, like, you know, because they didn't know what to do. So they just didn't do anything. I mean, I think that's where we the people are. I mean, but that's, yeah, but those are dogs. And I accept the human beings are animals, fair enough. But mine gives different opportunities. I mean, look, I think you're right. I don't want my head chopped off in Saudi Arabia for protesting, even if I hate it. It's no fun. I don't want to be crucified. in Saudi Arabia, even if I think the government is doing something wrong and I'm against the

government. Like individuals, it just doesn't work. Like, it's hard. And you're right, it's your organization. You need a lot of people to kind of stand with you in order to, for example, I give here, this is a basic example, but I think it's also true from the standpoint of larger groups. If, what's her name, if I had an issue with the woman that was on the other day, let's say if I had an interview with her on my own show, and it turned to, the way it did. did on this one, I would never have her back. On your program, I would have her back. Because at that point, we're talking to her as a team. It's not necessarily me dealing with it as an individual. Whatever that says about me, I don't know. I am making the point of saying people are better

and they function stronger when they're groups, but trying to get those groups together in order to kind of go against something that even if you know it is evil and wrong, it's just hard to do. It takes, it's like there are moments in history where there's a lightning ride that allows it to happen, but it's not a daily occurrence. Jamarle, can I ask you, I mean, so I don't know, I mean, you were, obviously you remember. Where were you on 9-11? What was going to? Where were you? I was laying in bed. I saw planes hit a building and it didn't really register to me what was happening. Like it was kind of like, because, you know, it may be a movie that's playing, right?

I mean, that's so dramatic in regards to watching it. But there was a huge amount of flurry on the news channels. And I was still kind of just kind of out of it as it was taking place. When we went to school, because I was in college at that point, they, the teacher basically almost held like a prayer session. She wasn't praying. She was physicist. But it was more like, I'm going to give you guys grace. You may be feeling stuff right now. So we're not really going to have this class. Like it was kind of that. It was this as you proceeded through the day, the severity of what just the place became that much more so just around the people around you. Yeah, I was a Jay Sardra Reynolds.

Now, I mean, so this morning I was listening to, you know, commercial radio and the memorial services in New York City. And, you know, people trickling in, blah, blah, and one of the things that, a recurring theme, and I have to admit, I found it startling to, was in the day or two afterwards, there was this definite sense of unity. Not necessarily like, oh, we're all going to do this or be angry at that. But like, you know, basically it was like we're all New Yorkers, Americans, we're all in this together. You know, we're we're we've been attacked. We need to hang together or we shall hang separately, right?

And I think it was about about a week later, I called it Bush's steaming pile speech where Bush stood on top of the big pile at Ground Zero. and basically said, oh, the people who did this are going to hear from us. And I'm like thinking, well, that's clearly, we already know that's not true. The people who did this were in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, and they were getting a big raise from the United States. You know, no, we were going to go attack people who, when I went to Afghanistan in November, 2001, literally had never heard of Al-Qaeda or 9-11 or Osama bin Laden ever. So, I mean, no, we were going to go blow them.

up. And, but the thing is that, to me, the, the, the, the unity breaking moment was when he's, when, when Bush said, you're either with us or you're against us. And it had, it was a doable entendre, right? I mean, it's like, on the one hand, it's, you know, if you're either with America or you're against us, okay, but it's also, you're either with the Republican Bush, neocon, cheney way of doing things or you're against the United States of America. And that's basically been where politics has been since for 25 years. I mean, you know, we have basically, it's like if you don't, and this is, I would say also has been true under some Democratic presidencies too. I mean, I would say it's like, you know, you're, it was hard, like if you questioned the, the Ukraine narrative, it was, you know, you were

basically ridiculed, chastised, never listened to because that's coming out of the, you know, coming out of the Biden administration. And this is what we're all supposed to believe, whether it really holds water is a whole different question. And now obviously Trump has quadrupled downed on this whole idea. Like, you know, you know, if you're either a patriot, which means you're with him, or you're a traitor, which means you're not with him. I mean, I don't know how a country can proceed under those circumstances. I mean, you don't see rhetoric like that. You know, I pay attention to French politics. You know, even on the far left with Jean-Luc Melanchon or the far right with Marine Le Pen, neither of them would ever descend to that kind of divisive

rhetoric. For them, at least in theory, we're all French, even if we might disagree on, you know, the way forward. Yeah, but we're hegem. That's the difference. It's weird. Because. Oh, go ahead, J.T. Go ahead. No, go ahead.

Make a point. It's just, before the show started, I called Ted. I talked to him for a little bit. On Sunday, on Friday mornings, we have a men's prayer meeting at my church. And so, I don't know, about 10 to 14 of us get together at 6th of morning and when we just pray. We read a chapter from Proverbs and then we pray. And my son is in Butte right now, swearing in to join the reserves today on 9-11. And so this was brought up in one of the men of the prayer.

It was like, Robbie, are you proud of this? You should be proud of this. And a lot of people who don't know me, he only seen me here, you don't realize I'm pretty much hated by the people on the, Republicans and Democrats, and I count that both, I count that as an honor. And I went off on them. I said, what is there to be proud of? I said, this government is wicked and evil. This government is directly responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people. My son is today swearing an oath to join the reserves to defend a government that you just say, said, as we were talking about how wicked people will be overthrothel and people rejoice,

is Proverbs chapter 11. It said, our government is led by an evil, evil man. It's filled with evil, evil people. Y'all just said, 10 minutes before this country is sent for the judgment of God, and then you ask me as a father, am I proud that my son is signing up to be a Marine in defense of the system that you just said is evil. I said, how deep does hypocrisy go? What does it take for you people to wake up?

This is me talking to my men's prayer group. And no one, and like I just blasphemed Jesus himself. It's like, Donald Trump is not God. He is an evil, evil man. It's a team, right? I mean, basically, it's one team. That's team red. You hang out.

You live in Montana, you get a men's prayer group, evangelical Christians, it's team red. So it's cultural, right? They don't support, I mean, when I think, and this is true about Democrats as well, when they choose, when you choose, it's sort of like, oh, I shop at whole, you know, it's kind of like, if I'm a Democrat, I shop at Whole Foods, I don't shop at Walmart. I, you know, I drive a Volvo or a Subaru. I don't drive a Ford F-150. And it's like, and I vote for, you know, Kamala Harris, I don't give those things much thought.

It's just what I do. And conversely, if you're, you know, the dudes that you were hanging out with, it's like, it would never cross their mind. Like, oh, I could vote for Jill Stein or I could vote for Gary Johnson or, you know what I mean? It's like, no, this is just what we do. It's like, well, the military is not good. That's the other thing, right? The military is good. Yeah.

Military, yeah. It's part of its team. I mean, I have to admit, I mean, having read the Bible a lot, not as much as you, but still a lot more than the average American, Robbie, I do not understand how Christians can have a heart on for the military, but, you know, it's not in the book. I mean, I don't get it. No, I don't either. And I mean, because I always have to leave early.

The Bible say lasts for an hour. Well, it's not a Bible site. It's a prayer group. So we get together, we sing a hymn, and then we read out of the book of Proverbs, for the day. So today is Parvary chapter 11, which just happens to deal with evil rulers. And I

do not understand how you can say that you serve the Prince of Peace while simultaneously cheerleading for war against people who have done nothing to hurt you in defense of people who hurt you every single day and a government that

supports everything it is that you say that you oppose. If you if you're a Christian and if you're a Christian, and if you believe what the book says, you oppose homosexuality. I mean, so then Trump comes out says, I'm the most pro-gay president in history, which is true. Christen's given a pass. I don't know. I don't know about that. Well, it's true. I mean, a fact-should. I don't know if he's really pro-gay. Oh, he has more gays in his administration than the other president. I mean,

that's that's- that's- He threw trans people out of the military. Well, trans and gay are different things, right? But the point, but the point that I'm trying to make is, is that if you're, if you're, if you're a Christian, and if you say you support the Prince of Peace, maybe you should be funding missionaries instead of sending bombs places. And why in the, why in God's green earth would you hit your star to a country, aka Israel, that teaches that your, that your God is boiling in escriment and blaspheme and they desecrate churches, blow up churches, kill and kill Christians. Meanwhile, you're supposed to a place. them?

Those are questions Republicans cannot answer, and that's why I'm not a Republican. Just killing kids by itself, in and of itself. It's disgusting. 100%. Like this is a Tucker Cald's argument. We just like, they're killing Christian. It's like, so if they weren't Christians, it would be okay to call someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, that's like I always say when they say, oh, they're killing women and children. I'm like, what? The men are dogs? And then, or when they say, oh, they're killing innocent civilians. I'm like, listen, if you attack another country, their armed forces are righteous. They're defending their homeland. And you go and blow up the Taliban who are trying to, like, throw out the invader. The Taliban are the righteous victims.

And you're the oppressive aggressor in that scenario. Yes. The media talks about it. In fact, they seem to be physically incapable of framing it in the correct frame of reference. Yeah. No question. The hypocrisy in the American church is so sickening. It is sick.

They worship Trump. They worship Israel. They worship the United States. Never mind the fact that everything that our government does is antithetical to what the Bible teaches. I mean, come on. You're right. You're totally right. And, of course, I think about my side of the aisle or closer to my side.

I think about like, you know, the Democrats who all like voted for, they were. going to vote for Biden and then they did go vote for Kamala even though you know these were Zionists the supporters of Israel and it's like so funny the very same people who did that now that Trump is the president has the same exact policy vis-a-vis Israel oh now they're real you know they're at the protest rally now now they've got their kaffia on now they're like joining Jewish voice for peace but you know when it was hard and when it was an anti-democratic point of view Oh, no, no, that was bad. I don't know if you heard Hillary Clinton's recent statement.

Oh, God. Because what they decided to do is, it's not Israel. It's all Nanyahu. Nanyahu is the sinning. Yes. He's the issue. He's the problem. And Clinton was like, yeah, she's like, I don't know, man.

I don't know what they make of the October 7th release. You know, he was obviously told by the Egyptians. She was obviously told by the Qatari president. I mean, I'm sorry, the UAE president. So I don't know. And she insinuated that either he was incompetent or he let it happen intentionally in order to go through with the killing. The second part is probably true, right? Well, right, I think the second part is true.

But the point that Hillary Clinton is talking about it, and then she's making this argument like, it's all Nanyahu. That's what they're going to do. Basically, they want to have back to brunch Israelis as soon as Netanyahu is overthrown. Yeah, Njahou is the moderate. If you are the moderate, it's like Putin. Yeah, he's trying to, yeah, he's trying to fend off Ben Gavir. Yeah, he's the moderate. Yeah.

So, me, is that really what you want? So, so you're going to take the most least rational person out and replace them with the most least rational person you can find. That is insane. Well, Hillary Clinton wants to preserve Israel as an entity. And she believes that everything that is doing right now. now goes against the preservation of the state. And so for her, she's like, okay, people think that this country are full of genocidal rapist monsters. Because they are.

They are. Right. Right. But we don't want them to think that that's just Israel. We want them to think that it's because of the leadership of Israel. If we remove the leadership, then we have a new deck. Now, this is nonsense. But this is what she prefers.

If Nanyahu gets out, they would hope that somebody is equally as moderate. We're coming to, and I know when I'm saying moderate, this is just absurd. But equally on this case, they don't want somebody who's worse and we'll go further, right? It's just like trying to preserve the state. And look, Jamaral, it's analogous to what, you know, it's so funny. I'm listening to you talk. I'm thinking the Israelis for years have complained that they don't have a partner to work out peace with the Palestinians. We don't have a good partner to work with.

Well, that's not true. You had plenty of people you could have worked with, including Mahmoud Abbas, you chose not to but the but the thing is the but what is true is the United States doesn't have a reasonable partner to work with in Israel and that's why we should cut them off with we don't there are no like I mean Monaco Bagans or you know even Yitzachra beans there's no one like who's somewhat level-headed that you can talk to over there I mean and that's why we should cut them off yeah but they realize they don't have to be level-headed right but if I have a child and I buy the child a blue musting and the child comes out for 16th birthday kicks the car

slaps me and says god damn it I wanted a red one I don't want this to be walking the house okay that child didn't do that overnight right that kid at one years old two years old three but it's never too late to lay down some guidelines right very true but at that point though the parents have a certain momentum associated with them allowing complete insanity from the standpoint of that child and that child, who that child is, is a direct reflection of that parent and the parenting that they did. That child didn't start that way out of the blue. And sure, you could say, okay, well, you're not going to get any car, but up to this point

for 16 years, that hasn't been the reality that your child doesn't counted. The child has realized, oh, I can do this and I can get away with it. I'm saying that's true. No, that's true. Guys, let's do some comments here. Ray goes, Ted, tell the heifers to quiet down. Well, the heifer's laugh. They were male heifers, though.

Macadden, food for thought. The Iranian public were shocked by 9-11. They held spontaneous candlelight vigils on the streets of Tehran. And now the Iranians are accused of supporting al-Qaeda. They also, yeah, let's not forget that Iran almost went to war against Taliban, Afghanistan. I think it was in 1999 when the Taliban massacred a bunch of their consular representatives. if memory serves in Masari Sharif. And also, so the Iranians hated the Taliban.

And they were, you know, they viewed them as a huge source of instability and a giant pain in their ass and a source of terrorism. And they were, they were happy when the U.S. would like, went after the Taliban. And they offered to help. They reached out to the Bush administration and they said, anything we can do. And in fact, there was an American pilot who, like, had to eject over one. Western Afghanistan, he was rescued by the Iranians. They went in and got him. They recovered some tech stuff, both the pilot and all the tech stuff were returned as a gesture of goodwill

very quickly to the United States. It was kind of like, hey, we're, you know, we want to make nice. What did the Bush administration do to say, they didn't even say thank you. Well, wait a minute. I mean, Iran didn't realize that American power being used in the Middle East in that way would eventually come down to them also? I think, you know, there was a division within the Iranian government at the time. And at the time, it was a little bit more moderate then. And they were thinking, maybe this is our big opportunity. Enemy of our enemy is our friend.

You know, we've been complaining about the Taliban now for years. The whole world has ignored us. We have that we've had them right on our border. We've been dealing with refugee flows from Afghanistan. You know, they took in millions of Afghans. So they were like, okay, so maybe. we can reason with the Americans. Of course, very quickly, they found themselves sandwiched between U.S. occupation forces on both sides of their border, right?

In Iraq and in Afghanistan. And then they were like, oh, it's an encirclement policy. And so, you know, that's when the heartliner started to, you know, gain more traction in that internal debate. Yeah. And the heartliners were right. I keep saying this. The heartliners were right. The heartliners were right. Well, the heartliners were obviously right. I mean, the United States is a vicious fucking dog.

We should talk about, so today is all about war. Is there anything else you want to say about 9-11? I mean, it's, I want to say one thing. We're a windjur nation. I mean, Jesus Christ. I mean, you know, what? Not even half a dozen buildings, 3,000 people. And we act like it's the fucking end of the world,

even 25 years later and most countries, like, you know, the countries we've gone after, we think we hear like a million Iraqis. We're like, and you know it's more than that now. It's like, yeah, whatever. Libya, slave markets, whoopty-do. Well, that's because of our geography. I mean, you just don't care. I mean, how this is because of our geography.

I mean, people need to realize something about the United States. We're not another country. We're not even an island. We're a planet that's completely separated for everybody else. Oh, I know. I mean, every other country, you know, has have wars and invasions and territorial changes and just, I mean, they've had like 6,000 years and just continuous ass kickings across three continents. And here we have nothing. No, we don't have any of that.

Yeah. I mean, so that's the context. So, you know, 3,000 Frenchmen dying. That's like that's like on a weekend whenever the Germans get up at it. Yeah. Whereas here it's just like, what the hell? So don't you? You know what?

We're Americans? We're also like, you know what we are? We're like hippopotamuses. So hippopotamuses, like, they evolved very, very quickly from, like, a little paranoid shrew. And basically, mentally, they still think that, like, they could be eaten or trampled any time. And so they're really territorial and vicious, even though nobody, everyone wants to tell them, dude, you're hippopotamus, man. You're fucking vicious as shit. You don't have to attack anyone.

And, like, that's where we're at. We don't need to be paranoid. No one wants to attack us. You know, 9-11 was just a rare example of, you know, someone trying to swat us on the nose and say, fuck off and leave us alone. I don't know. It's paranoid. I mean, this is not paranoia. The United States went after that.

They may use this argument, war on terror and use this idea of terror and just kind of weird amorphous sense that you're having this war on this. But we were the ones that were committing to terror. Well, that's my point. But I don't know if the United States population still absorbs that. Like, meaning, I don't know if I would argue apathy. We're the innocent victims. It's the same way that the Israelis say, well, it all started when the Palestinians started on October 7th.

But every country that is involved in a war claims to be innocent victims. Is there a country that initiated a war that didn't claim to be a victim as a cost his belly to stop that war? Ancient Rome. Ancient Rome was like, we just want it. Let's go get it. Let's take it. I know what in 2000 years.

I'm saying the U.S. uses. ancient Roman policy, but has a sense to use propaganda to make it look as if we are somehow in the right. Right. But you got to remember, I mean, even though the Roman Empire fell, Roman ideology didn't. So, I mean, they invented the concept of aggressive defense. That's where it comes from. That's the whole reason. That's propaganda in and of itself. Of course it is. Well, I mean, that's the argument that the Russians made. It's like it's preemptive self-defense. I do not have to wait to be hitting the face first. So I mean, true. And that is, that is, the Romans invented that doctrine.

I mean, that's where it comes from. I mean, look, not every such human, I hate it when, let's say, like, two kids get into a fight. And it's like, okay, I'm going to punish both of you. And the reality of it is, both of you didn't do this. It's very possible that one was to blame. And as a human being, I can use my intellect to figure out who's guilty and who's the corporate. And I guess my point is the same thing for this stuff, right? there are situations where there's aggressive defense.

Okay, you're lining up on my border. I'm not going to let you hit me, right? In another sense, though, you can use it also as, yeah, they were hiding a nuclear weapon in the trash can. And so we had to kill everybody in the village and their dogs. Well, obviously, one of these things is nonsense. Right. And I guess I'm making the point that I don't know how terrified the U.S. public actually is.

I would put this more on apathy. after 9-11, true, you can make that case, okay, this is a war on terror. But at a certain point, this was not a war on terror. This was just a war of conquests, whether it was Syria, whether it was Iran, whether it was Libya, et cetera. These weren't. We are scared. It's, we're just doing this. And the American public is okay.

Yeah, I mean, you weren't scared of Venezuela. We're not scared of Cuba. Right. But you're not scared of Canada. The Philippines. But you've got to kind of think about this, right? Because what is the only thing that the United States exports anymore? wars a business frenchy it's it's not it's not for the collective it's not for the defense of the

nation and so the way that you back when our government was at least tried to lie to us so well we have to fight them over there before they fight us over here meanwhile what we're going to do after we blow up all these countries and kill all these people we're going to turn right around and import the refugees that we just created from countries that we just attacked so we are we're at war with this population and they're going to turn right around and bring in the refugees that re-created by blowing the hell out of these populations and wait what you're referring to i'm curious i just like for example like uh europe and screw up their politics i mean i mean a lot of them came here and then you know we have a lot of ukrainians who are here some we started that war so i mean it's just so i mean

what that's kind of what we do is that we go we stir the pot and this is one of the one of the criticisms i see in the chat a lot about my immigration stance like rob you we just stand by the countries to which i say god bless you you're correct me 100% should but we don't and the reason why we don't is because if there's two different revenue streams one you get paid to blow countries up well it's three of them you get to pay you get paid to blow countries up then you get paid to rebuild the stuff that we love in the first place and then you get the fund then you get the fund NGOs that bring in the refugees either to europe or to the united states and then you have a lot of this stuff going on. So that's that's the whole thing is that war is our business. You know,

the old saying that war is the health of the state. I think was that the cost of the military. The military is a beating heart of the state, which is true. Well, in this case, we've made the economic engine of the state too. Guys, we have eight minutes left. I don't want to ignore the developments with the hootis. Big deal. Oh, go away. Oh, yeah. All right. So this is a, I mean, so this is a big deal, right? I mean, basically, Strait of Hormuz, which is basically locked up by the Iranians. I heard that, by the way, vis-a-vis that, an oil analyst this morning on Wall Street, who apparently earns money doing this, I'm not sure why, actually argued that he said, this was a quote, the freight, the oil,

is so valuable that at a certain point the exporters have to take a chance and try to run the Strait of Hormuz. I'm like, listen to yourselves. It's that valuable. That's why you're not going to take a chance. By the way, that's the point. But he's right, though. That's what they've been doing. They've been offering captains money to try to run it.

Sure. But I mean, like, okay, and like you can, but still, it's like, the thing is it's not up to the captains. I mean, the fact it's about Lloyds of London and all the other big insurers and reinsurers who are covering, you know, each ship in some cases has a, half billion dollars of oil on it, right? I mean, so it's like, I mean, if I, I don't know about you, Jamarle, but if I, my $500 million is sitting on a ship, I'm like, you know what, you can sit a few more months.

We'll wait to see how this all works out. I'm not running that. I'm not running the straight of four moves anytime soon, right? But that's not really five million dollars sitting on a ship. That's oil as a commodity. 500 million. Well, I'm trying to make the point. It's a commodity.

It's not, meaning, that's not. And in fact, but here's the other thing. thing. What's the rush? If like with all the uncertainty, your 500 million worth of oil, yes, you have to pay a crew and yes, there's all sorts of things you have to do and you have to explain to the people who are expecting it, why they're not getting it, blah, blah, blah. But guess what? Three months from now, maybe that's $550 million worth of oil because the price keeps going up. So really, why would anyone run the Strait of Hormuz from a purely capitalist point of view? I don't get it.

Because they're not hundreds of millions of dollars sitting on the ship, meaning those ships aren't full of dollars. Those ships are full of oil. Oil is a commodity. People need that particular commodity. In Malaysia, for example, Indonesia, for example, in these countries, they've been taken a massive hit Japan and the money that they've effectively into spending the entire point.

That oil doesn't belong to the Indonesians until they get it, right? So the point is it currently belongs. to like Saudi Arabia and the other countries that like have drilled it. I know, but those countries need it, which is I think kind of the point, meaning that oil needs to get to a particular place. But they're not making the- Indonesia and Malaysia and Vietnam, the countries that are running short, they're not, they're not making the decision about what happens here.

No, it's not that I'm saying that they're making a decision. I'm making the point of saying that is a commodity that other countries need, which is why, if you're asking, why would they run it? is because other countries need it. Now, I think the point, and just so I'm clear, to articulate the point you're making, it doesn't matter if they need it. I don't want the tanker blown up.

I don't care. And I'm like, I don't want my oil tanker blown up, right? Right. So, and I think so now, with the Bob El Mandab Strait, which was Plan B, and which is the Red Sea to, you know,

approach to the Suez Canal, that's now officially under the control of the Houthis in the same way that Hormuz is under the control of the Iranian. So there goes plan B. And as you pointed out at the top of the hour, JT, the pipeline that the Saudis anyway were hoping to rely upon. Well, you know, that's further north in the Red Sea. I guess that's not going to be going so well. It's going to take a while to repair that until the next time a drone blows it up. Yeah, the Saudis are well and truly fucked. I mean, Brent crude is well over $100 a barrel, probably not ever going to go down,

below it anytime soon. Yeah, it's, you know, from Trump's point of view, the timing couldn't be worse in terms of the midterms. Yeah, because go, ass is going to go through the roof. Yeah, God is good. And somebody was like all the time. Yeah, the Saudis accidents. I mean, they wanted this war.

I mean, we need to put into context. Yemen was one of the war. They've been fucking the year. Yeah, and they were like a blockade. You had starvation. I remember when, you know, the starvation in Yemen was this really big. use minds.

Yeah. And so it's like now, for whatever particular reason, there's the turn of the worm, and that worm is squarely punched you in the balls. And the reality of it is Saudi Arabia, who is fantastically rich. It's trying to get a loan from the World Bank.

What an odd look for this, right? Trump has been fleecing these guys for like billions of dollars. They've been giving Donald Trump money and his family and money. They've been bribing him fantastically. And apparently there was a call on Thursday. This is being reported by Axios. So take it with a grant in assault.

That NBS contacted Trump twice yesterday, effectively begging him, attack Ansor Allah. Help. They're in our ass. We can't stop him. We can't get him out of our ass. They're in it. Balls deep.

We can't stop him. And Trump said no. Which is interesting. Trump's busy. Trump has his hands full. Trump has this handsful. We're running out of the munitions and everything else necessary for us to fight the war with Iran. So are we going to use those munitions to go out to Yemen?

When we've done that once before, I don't know. I don't know the answer to this question, but I imagine Saudi Arabia is even less popular among the American public than Israel is. Well, the bone saw guy. Yeah. It's like, come on, you can't be. We already know that he sucks up to MBS, but it's like, you know, if he goes to war for, for MBS, the way that he went to war for Netanyahu? I mean, come on.

Seriously, he can't do it. He can't do it. I mean, think about the munitions that we spent going after Yemen the first time around. When the leaks came out about all the weapons we spent, all the money that we spent, and we still didn't accomplish our objectives. The Yemenis are basically killproof. I mean, they've, they are battle tested, hard as nails, right? I don't know what you can do to them, you know, unless you. They fight bare chest with long cloths.

Yeah, they're, they're fucking amazing, you know, I mean. I've been astonished by them. I like they don't fit within my vision of how countries behave. Because from my point of view, countries do what it's in their self-interest. Houthis has a religious element to it that I love the Houthis. Yeah, they're great. They're like the rabies. I love them. It's like I do not care. I do not You know, I will, I will, I will eat you one ankle at a time. I love them. They're the Muslim rabbis.

The rueful smile and wink and a nod that Iran is giving the Houthis as they blow the shit up Saudi Arabia in the oil fields. It's just amazing to me. Right? Like the U.S. does this all the time. The U.S. is like, well, Ukraine is a sovereign state. We can't really force it to do anything. Yeah.

And Iran is like when Pakistan reached out saying, hey, could you get them, you know, they're losing. Can you please stop them? And Iran says, well, we don't negotiate on behalf of the Ansar ala. They're a sovereign state. They do whatever they want. And maybe Saudi Arabia should go back to the ceasefire, just say. Well, did you see the video yesterday of all those Saudi-aligned soldiers that's surrendering?

And the leader of the Houthis is driving around and a captured American Humvee. It's just like, yep. They're awesome swavas. I love them. It's good times. Guys, it's 10 o'clock Eastern time, which means it's time for TMI show. am I coming up with Manila Chan. I'm going to be sitting this hour out

because I'll be on the road, but Robbie will be filling in my seat and doing an able job. I'll be back at 11, doing DMZ with Scott Stantis. See you all later. Have a great weekend. Oh, well, you can hang out.

I'm out. Bye. I'm going, guys.