DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - A Super Dumb Mass Murder | DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• Outdated DIA targeting data—dating back at least 10 to 13 years—probably resulted in the Feb. 28 U.S. bombing of the Shajarah Tayyebeh elementary school mistaken missile strike that killed at least 175 people in Iran, mostly children. Is recklessness the norm for America’s “high tech” warriors?• As oil futures surge over $100/barrel and tankers are attacked by Iran, 400 million barrels to be released from International Energy Agency oil reserves as Iran effectively blocks the Strait of Hormuz.• As John Thune battles conservatives for refusing to alter Senate rules and mandate a traditional “talking” filibuster that would force Democrats to hold the floor to block the Save America Act, Trump trolls the Senate majority leader: “He’s got to be a leader.” Does Trump know Save would hurt him and the Republicans?TO ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO LIVE AT 9 AM ET: https://ahaslides.com/4UJWTJOIN US LIVE ON RUMBLEhttps://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowFOLLOW TED:https://rall.com/https://x.com/tedrallFOLLOW JOHN:https://www.instagram.com/realjohnkiriakouhttps://x.com/JohnKiriakouLISTEN ON SPOTIFY:https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuLISTEN ON APPLE MUSIC:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-john-kiriakou-and-ted-rall

Good morning. You're watching D. Program with Ted Rall and John Kariak. Thank you for joining us on Thursday, March 12th. Good morning, John. Morning, Ted. How you doing? Good. I'm trying to. Hope my voice isn't too squeaky. Inside joke from yesterday. So, obviously, we're going to be talking about the Iran is basically losing the air war, but winning the sea war. They have choked the Strait of Ormuz. We'll be talking about that. And we'll talk about the economic impact with oil back at about $100 a barrel. And, you know, we're going to see, I think, a ripple effect throughout the entire global economy. That's, I think the Trump administration would like to sort of bring in for a soft landing.

But I'm not so sure that's likely to happen anytime soon. John Thune, the Republican leader, is sort of that war with his own conference about the Save America Act. We'll talk about something that they really shouldn't want because it will only cost Republican votes. Democrats should want it, but don't want it, even though they'll get more votes. It's insanity. But anyway, as always, please like, follow and share the show. We really appreciate your support. We're closing in on 30,000 subscribers.

So that's on YouTube. Thank you so much for that. And for your generous donations and the super chats and all that. As always, we will try to get to all of your questions, especially the superchats, but all of them. So please, if you're watching live on Rumble or on YouTube, go ahead in the 9 o'clock hour and put those questions into the live chat and producer Robbie West. We'll get to them. Speaking of producer Robbie West, let's bring him in. He has some housekeeping to take care of, as we call it.

Howdy. So I know that there have been some complaints about missed superchats, a rance. I get you. You're paying money to ask a question. It would only be polite of us to answer the question that you paid to have asked. So if it does get missed, we have a workaround. Take a picture of it, a screenshot. Then email me.

Send me the screenshot of your question at West Glacier Gaming at gmail.com. And I will make sure this at the top of the stack. So I can't think of a better way to do this. I'll talk to John and Ted later on about maybe have them one day a week before we just do Q&A. Let's see what happens. Can't make that promise. But I will control whatever I can.

So email me and I will do everything I can to make sure that your pithy and witty question that you paid for is answered in a timely manner. Yeah, please be advised. We definitely, if it's missed, it's an accident. It's never on purpose. Never. You have no idea what it looks like on the back end. I can't keep up with it.

Yeah, no, I mean, like when. Robbie, when you're out and I'm trying to keep up with it, John and I try to keep up with it, even if we split it up, like, hey, John, you look at the rumble, I'll look at the YouTube, whatever. It's just like literally flying by, you know, I mean, well, look, if you're in the chat, you sort of know, right, because you see how fast it moves. Yeah. Yes. If you get, if you get missed, it's not intentional. It's not us trying to be jerks. It's just, you know, life happens. We're not in grades, you know. Yeah. Thanks, Robbie. I appreciate that. So the, you know, That's a, you know, reminds me of one time someone came up to me.

No, I read online like, oh, Tedderall's really mean. I went up to him at an event, at Comic-Con. And he didn't talk to me. He didn't pay attention to me. And I'm like thinking, I would never do that, like, ever. So something must have been up, right? Like, I must have just been talking to someone else or, you know, I was on the phone or whatever. I mean, obviously, it had to be a misunderstanding.

And it kills me because I'm like, you know, I'm a lot of bad. things but like I'm not that kind of bad thing yeah you know so um so let's let's get into it we'll be looking at those questions in just a second and Robbie will be pumping them up to put him up for us in the telegram chat that we have but in the meantime let's talk about the economy I mean I thought it's really interesting oil prices are are soaring you know the we have five or six vessels who have been struck now by Iranian fire in the Strait of Ormuse. Trump is saying that the is urging the captains to have to grow some balls and basically

make a try to run their way through. Yeah. They get touched their way through. Um, you know, anyone ever see Captain Phillips? There's only like five or six dudes on these tankers, right? Yes. And there's all, it's a skeleton crew. You would think of it's 200 people.

They can't defend the ship. They can protect themselves. There's a way, what they do is they barricade themselves inside the engine room, which is like armored and triple locked, and there's an emergency stash of food and water in there, and they can control the engine from inside the engine room. They can override the bridge. But that's all they can do is disable the ship and just wait for help to come.

Which in a war zone isn't likely to happen. That's right. And then like even if they're able to get in touch by satellite phone, you know, with, you know, corporate in Oslo or Taipei or whatever, you know they're going to say, like, sit tight, you know, don't move. You know, you are not to risk $400 million of crude oil. And one of the things that I learned, Ted, when I was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, because one of my issues was international piracy. And I brought Captain Phillips

down to testify. We sat for hours together. That's cool. One of the things that I learned was that by international treaties, no civilian ship is allowed to carry a weapon. So they're on their own. Yeah, wasn't that the controversy over the sinking of the Lusitania? Yeah. That basically the, because obviously it was carrying material. It was carrying arms.

Yeah. And like so the Germans, the Germans said, well, this is a fair target. And I mean, I guess that's kind of also, I mean, the law, and it doesn't, correct me if I'm wrong, don't some aspects of the law of the sea also kind of deal, you know, bleed over into air transport? Yes, but that's far more controversial because the U.S. is famously not a signatory to the law of the sea. The U.S. is always like, we don't sign the mine convention. No. Right? We don't know. No, we're wrong, wrong, wrong about so many of these issues. Well, but then, John, as you know, very well, we signed the convention against torture.

There it is. But that's just a piece of paper. It doesn't have the force of law as a full treaty obligation and ratified by the United States Senate or anything. Right. So the IEA, the International Energy Agency, which is a consortium of 32 nations, they just ordered the release of 400 million barrels of oil to be released from their reserves. the U.S. is thinking of doing a big release from its strategic reserve. But, John, my understanding is that this is a drop in the bucket.

It's not going to really have much of an impact because the impact of the closure of the Strait of Ormuz is so big that it's like impossible for any strategic reserve to make up for that. Yes. And, you know, the funny thing, too, well, it's not funny. It's that Donald Trump, you'll recall viciously mocked Barack Obama when he released oil from the strategic oil reserves saying that it was just a stunt to keep oil prices down. Okay, so what are you doing?

This is just a stunt to keep oil prices down. It was just one week ago, barely one week ago, that Donald Trump was bragging about how when he took, this was so disingenuous. When he took office, gas was $6 a gallon in some states. He meant California, which has nothing to do with anything. That's an unusual situation. But now, in many cases, it's $1.89 a gallon. Nowhere was it $1.89 a gallon. Well, now it's up a buck a gallon from a week ago. More. More. I paid, I paid two, 56-9 a week ago. And yesterday I paid three, 54-9, so 98 cents for me. My local station went from 255 to 385 in nine days. So, you know, it is, it is speaking of piracy, right?

I mean, it's like, come on, the oil you guys paid for, you know, that oil's been going through refineries for the last few years. Exactly. You know, the gas that we're putting into our cars now. But they're assholes. Exactly right. One time I pulled up to my gas station in Long Island, and it was hilarious. It was owned by, like, this very mean lesbian woman. And she, like, just as I pull up to the curve, she prompts up and throws this, the price change, like, with a magnet up onto the pump.

As I pull up, it was up 20 cents. I'm like, and I go, really? Just now? And she's like, I just got the call. Oh, my God. So it's like that. Oh, my God. So I got to, so John, I got to ask you a question.

By the way, I'm not sure my tele. Is your telegram loading? I'm not seeing the live chats. Are you? I'm not, actually. Okay, maybe something's up on Robbie's side. You know what I was? I was assuming it was just a weirdly slow day.

Robbie, what's going to run? Are we not getting questions? We are. It's glitching. Hold on. I'm refreshing it. Okay. All right. All right. Because we're not seeing it. All right. I just saw one. Okay, good. Thanks. Okay. See, this is a thing. I mean, with tech stuff, you got to, there's no way we can put out the fire. So anyway, we've got to talk about the school. You were appalled. We all were when the elementary school was blown up. Now we know it was by the Americans. And now we know how it happened. Right. So basically, we talked a little bit about this. elementary school, 175 people or more, including a lot of young kids because it was an elementary school. And presumably teachers and staff and maybe parents were all blown up by this Tomahawk

missile back in the very beginning of the Iran, the U.S. and the Israeli war against Iran. The Trump administration denied that the U.S. had anything to do with it, but now the internal investigation at DOD has confirmed that, like, yes, of course it was us. And, you know, Trump even said, like, oh, you know, anyone can have a Tomahawk cruise missile. Like, you know, Clovis could have one. It's like, but that's not true. So it's targeting data, right? So the targeting data was basically this was, this was turned into a school back somewhere between 2013 and 2016. All right. So that's 10 to 13 years ago. And this is a John Kiriaku special question, right?

You've had dim things to say about the DIA in the past. Yeah. This appears to be map information provided by the DIA. So I have multiple questions about this. But basically, is it routine for the DIA to suck this bad? And then my other question is, are they, I mean, okay, it's one thing I understand you have old information, right? But if something becomes a target, isn't there an obligation to double, triple, quadruple check at this point just to make sure that... Yeah.

Kadat your eyes, cross your teeth, make sure everything's cool. See, this is how we accidentally bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, right? Because the targeting information is often wrong, rarely updated appropriately. And listen, I know people are going to complain, but I'm going to say it anyway. DIA is largely made up of people who just couldn't make it through the CIA process. They really, really, really want to work in Intel. They're not very bright, but by God, they want to work in Intel and they end up at DIA. Yeah, it happens all the time.

You know, and this is another thing. You're supposed to, not just. check, double check, triple check. You're supposed to then send it to other offices to check, double check and triple check to make sure you don't do things like blow up a girl school and kill all the children inside. So, yeah. And also is it routine for the data to be this fucking old?

Yeah. I mean, that's really fucking old. Yep. It is. It's very, very old. Yes. But again, updating it would require them to, you know, I don't know, look at a satellite photo and see

if there are children there playing in the yard. Well, that's my question, right? Or send a drone to circle ahead beforehand or a live satellite feed. John, you know, I know you know this, obviously, like, you know, the Soviets used to, you know, they obviously, we knew they had military bases in this area or whatever, but they would always sort of move them on the map a few miles away. from really where they really were. Yeah. How does an agency like the Maps Agency or the Defense Intelligence Agency or the CIA, how do they obtain, let's say, you know, a map, a reliable map of an adversary

country that's not voluntarily providing accurate information. Let's say you were China, let's say. Yeah. What would you, you know, how do they get, how do they know, for example, this was a Revolutionary guards facility until 2013. They have an army of analysts sitting at these giant light tables, like the size of an architect's draft board, drafting board, with these like little telescopes. They look like little telescopes, not telescopes, but like oversized jewelers loops. And they're looking at literally every square foot of a country.

And this is satellite. Satellite, yeah. So now with drones, it's a lot easier because you can have real-time, you know, feeds. But an army of people just looking foot by foot by foot. And then once you establish a baseline, it makes it that much easier. And then one analyst passes it to the next analyst and then on to the next analyst. It's far easier now with drones because if you're not sure about something, many times you can just send a drone to go take a closer look at it.

So I think this is going to be a perfect storm, right? It's going to turn out to be five different errors or whatever, right? Oh, yeah. This should never have happened, Ted. And will there be any accountability even within the system? I mean, like in other words, is there, you know, to know what? No. It's just like sucks to be a first grader in Iran, that's all. When the president just says, everybody has Tomahawk missiles, when in fact only the U.S., the U.S., the U.K., and Australia and Japan have them.

And, you know, that could have been anybody, it wasn't us. Then you know that nobody's going to face any kind of punishment. So this kind of thing could and would keep happen, could happen again. I mean, just like it happened in the, in the Kosovo War, it happened in the Gulf War. It happens every time we have an armed conflict with some other country. And then we're like, oh, our bad. Yeah, too bad about that. Sorry.

And then we're supposed to just think that that's going to be the end of it. And I mean, so terrible. It just seems so. It just, I mean, and one of the excuses that's being, you know, floated by sort of corporate media is like, well, you know, when you're in the early stages of a war, you know, like there's not really enough time to check every, to check out all the old targeting data. Right. Okay. But again, help me out here. There's no world in which this wasn't a surprise for the United States or Israel, right?

I mean, the United States has been planning this for months, right? if not longer. Forever, yeah. So we've been planning this since 1979 and presumably constantly updating the targets, supposedly. Supposedly. And apparently we've taken out 5,000 targets at this stage.

Uh-huh. That's a lot of, that's a lot of discussion. But to me, that's a statistic that doesn't mean anything. Because what's a target? A target could be, you know, a garage where there might or might not be a Jeep inside. You know, we can call anything we want to target. Sure. All right.

So we do some questions? Yeah. All right. We like the questions. And we're sorry that we missed a few. Okay. Ray, $5. John, great new RT show Deep State.

Enjoyed it. Thanks for five bucks. I didn't know it was up. Hey, thanks. I'm going to check it out. John Smith. Thanks for the two. Hey, John, have been subscribed to the show on YouTube since 2.5K.

You should absolutely go to Hassan's stream. He's not anti-American. He's anti-American imperialism. You know, I was just, the reason I paused when you spoke just a moment ago, Greyhorse, thanks for the $5, said, did you see Hassan Piker responded to the clip of you saying, you're not going on his stream? He said quite a lot of choice words about you. Just wondering what your take on him is.

what his fucking problem is we're trying to work something out with his people he needs to calm the fuck down and on april the ninth we'll get something done holy shit what's wrong with people relax buddy handsome libertarian question for all three of us what are your thoughts on the report of iranian sleeper cells and trump saying he knows about them potential 9-11 false flag um no i don't think so you know somebody asked me just a week ago if there were iranian sleeper cells in the united States and I said no. I still believe the answer is no. I think that the administration's lying to us. It's trying to scare us and it's trying to bring people into line to support this war. There's never been any evidence that there were Iranian sleeper cells. There are Iranian intelligence

officers who oftentimes are able to get into the country, usually not. I shouldn't say oftentimes that or sometimes able to get into the country. Usually not. Usually they're have more ease getting into Canada, but they invariably get caught before they're even able to do their operation. So I'm not worried about the Iranians. Yeah. All right. We will. Let's take a, let's move on here. Jackson McGrath, thanks for the two Australian dollars. Favorite subject in Islamic subs, ex-sub, a subject, I guess, ex-theology? Okay. Okay. Jack Samuels 480.

Thanks for the 999. What's going on in NYC? Far right protester Jack Lang. God, little neo-Nazi fucker, outside mayor's mansion. And counter-protesters clashing, then to top it off, ISIS lone wolf, well, wolves, throwing an IED at the crowd mansion. What the hell? I mean, I don't know how to answer.

But this isn't really terribly unusual, right? Right? I mean, they're always going to be nuts in New York or nuts going to New York to make some sort of a statement. Yeah, I mean, you know, this is, yeah, and this is, look, it's, it's not that complicated. I mean, you know, Zeron Mundani's a very controversial mayor, especially on the far right. He's, they've turned him into a bat noir simply because he's Muslim. And it's motivated by racism. And you can see it all over like my ex feed.

Everybody I follow is like all these right wingers who are like, oh, is, you know, all Muslims must be deported. you know, blah, blah, blah. So Laura Lumer and all those kind of people. So, you know, Jack, these are all, like, you know, Jake Lang is just, you know, trying to, you know, get notoriety for his cause. And then these two Nimrods, fucking, you know, fucking fools, like downloading their own, you know, join the, you know, download your own ISIS flag, PDF, you know, you know, collect them all, you know, show up and try to, you know, make something out of their stupid wretched excuses for lives. Yeah, I mean, there's not really a lot to say about it, unfortunately.

I wish there were. There's no analysis because it's just random stupidity and media. Maxwell, Mark, thanks a question for John and Ted. Strong character in mainstream media is dead, and the gen pop is desperate for people like you. Could you two release a follow list of journalists you consider peers and that you respect? That's a great question. question. I guess I could, I'd have to, God, I hate to say this, John. It's hard. I'm sure, you know,

because like, I mean, there are some, though. The journalists that I have the deepest respect for, Ted, are independent journalists. Oh, for sure. People like Max Blumenthal, for example. For sure. I think Max is amazing. Aaron Mate, absolutely amazing. Kevin Gestala. These guys are incredible. Jason Leopold's good. Jason Leopold, absolutely wonderful. And we might call Jason mainstream. He's with Bloomberg. Jason's fantastic. But yeah, I mean, I'm, my mind doesn't even go to the mainstream outlets. As mainstream as I'm going to get, and I'm biased because I like him and he's a good guy is Jake Tapper. Yep. Yeah. I know you go, you but go back probably farther with Jake than I do. He came to the prison to interview me in 2013 and we've been friends ever since. Yeah. Now, he's, he's,

He's one of the good ones, I mean, for sure. Yeah. But, you know, the thing is, let's just say he doesn't have full freedom of movement, right? Like, if he found himself separated from CNN and had his own show, I guarantee you it would be a more, a more taparish experience. Yeah. Yeah. I like him very much. So, DBG, thanks for the 400.

I don't know if there's are Yuan or Yuan or Yen or whatever Hey John and Ted love you both but I just wanted to say I disagree with John's comments on John Stewart being a Zionist He's had Medi, Zoran, Oliver and Bernie support him

He's called out Obama and Bibi I agree he's no lefty Yeah I was Okay I stand corrected I don't know I'll tell you what I met him I met him one time and he left the visit.

It was in his office, and the visit just left a sour taste in my mouth because he had these Emmys just kind of strewn on the couch where you couldn't sit on the couch because there were Emmys just randomly laying across them. And I commented when I went out, I said, oh my God, he has so many Emmys that he just throws them on the couch like that. And the intern said, no, he loves those.

Emmys. He does that to make it look like, eh, it's no big deal. I just win these Emmys. And I don't even care. I just throw them on my couch. And I was like, oh, he's one of these guys, a poser. Yeah, yeah. I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I kind of feel like that's people like who, who like framed their college degree in their own house or something like that. Yeah, I never understood that either. I don't even know where my degrees are. I'm not sure I could put my, I know I have them in a box somewhere. Yeah, they must be in a box in the garage, but I genuinely don't know where my degrees are. Yeah, I mean, it's just sort of like, now, I kind of get like why a doctor or a psychologist would have it, because, you know, you want to make sure they went to medical school and whatever.

Yeah, but, you know, although I don't even know. I don't really need that either. I'm going to assume they went to medical school, right? Ryan, Graham, Katie Hopper, both are awesome. I'm supposed to see Ryan tomorrow. Yeah, they're terrific. There are a lot of great independent journalists out there. There are. There are. Ms. Moth, thanks for the 10 bucks. Greetings from Tbilisi, Georgia, have either we been to Georgia. And what do you think the Cuskos countries should do, given their location between Russia and Iran? Appreciate you guys a lot. I have been to Tbilisi. How about you? I've not, but I am proud to say that my 23 and me test shows that I am something like 12% from the caucuses. And another thing, too. I don't know why. But, but, but, but. But my TikTok algorithm constantly feeds me these videos of people doing traditional Georgian singing that I am absolutely addicted to. It's just fantastic. And I cut out a recipe from the New York Times the other day for this traditional Georgian lamb stew that I'm going to make this weekend.

Oh, well, that's what I was about to say. My main takeaway from Tbilisi is that you're in danger of getting fat. because the food is very good. I can't wait to go. And I love the wine, too. The wine is, you know, I've subscribed to Wine Spectator magazine for 20 plus years. Georgian wine is some of the best in the world, and it's the most overlooked. So true, nobody ever to.

And it's very affordable. Yes. So, yeah, so in terms of what they should do, look, they could become a transit point in a true, you know, Russian, Iranian military, alliance that goes beyond just an intelligence cooperation agreement. It could be those could become a conduit point. But you know, traditionally countries that are in places like that between great powers always survive by playing off both sides and trying to maintain as much, you know, base level neutrality as possible.

So I think that's probably, and that's obviously what they're doing. But they're, I think, I mean, I would say Georgia is definitely more, traditionally it was more in Russia's sphere of influence for sure agreed uh gray horse 88 thanks for the five uh okay if you you already addressed that uh but thanks for the five bucks anyway gospel of tommy thanks for the 499 think love the show guys all evidence points to them bombing those girls on purpose why did they do it i you know look i hate i hate the the people who are who started this war um i don't think they did this on purpose i think they thought They thought they were lazy.

They were reckless. They didn't care enough about innocent lives to just say, like, to double, triple, quadruple, check it out. I think, but I don't think they said, oh, look, there be, you know, an elementary school and let's blow it up. Because it's going to cause trouble. And it's going to, then they'll have people like us and the New York Times and, you know, Democratic senators up their ass. So I really don't believe they did it on purpose. I don't think they did it on purpose. I think there's just fucking dumbasses.

Now, that doesn't make it any different. I mean, like, look, if you're DUI and you kill someone because you were fucking too stupid to call a taxi and you got into a car drunk, well, you probably didn't kill anyone on purpose, did you? But they're still just as fucking dead because of your recklessness. So to me, it's like a difference. It's a distinction without a difference. You know, I was watching one of these reality shows, one of these court shows yesterday.

And, oh, I'm seeing that. It looks like we may have just bombed children's hospital in Tehran. Love it. Check that out too. So I'm watching this cop show yesterday, and it's this guy, this defendant, he's arrested three times for possession with intent to distribute PCP, which I didn't even know people still did PCP. So it's so 80s. It's so 80s, angel dust.

So the judge reluctantly gives him bond, said, you better clean up your ass. I'm going to give you Bond. It's your last chance. He goes out on Bond, smokes PCP, and hits and kills a guy. So he's like, Your Honor,

I'd really like to have a second chance. And the judge is like, this was your fourth chance. And you killed somebody. He ended up getting 50 years. But, you know, 50 years is insane, but that's our story. 50 years is insane.

But it was, it was his fourth, PCP related conviction. I haven't even heard the term. Just duct tape the guy to a board and never let him leave anywhere. Yeah, that's pretty much what it's going to come down to. God. John Nippleton, Josh Nippleton, my apology.

Thanks for the 1399 Canadian. Hey Ted, hey John. Love how kind and thoughtful you both are. Question for John. During your time in the Muslim world, did you ever have to read and analyze the Quran in order to understand Muslim ideology? No, but I certainly studied it and read it in its entirety when I was in college.

You know, in the State Department, less so in the CIA, but in the State Department, it's all about day-to-day activities. The only time I ever really needed to have even any background in, the Quran was when Ambassador David Ransom for whom I worked in Bahrain went to meet the Minister of Al-Gaf and Islamic Affairs

and I was the translator and the note-taker. That was the only time the Quran ever came up. I mean, the implication that we've heard post-9-11 is that kind of like everybody's following, you know, that

there's a a really tight, obvious link between the religion and the politics and particularly Islamic terrorism. And I think, I mean, John, this is your area of expertise. I mean, but my impression, for example, in Afghanistan was that so much of this is cultural and tribal as well, a lot more of it. And that often the Quran is sort of bent and interpreted to fit whatever the cultural interpretation is. That is absolutely true and stuff like that. Absolutely true. And that's why in Islam, just as in Christianity, just as in Judaism,

there are so many different bentz to it, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's billions of people. Yeah. Two billion Muslims, two and a half billion Christians, and there are 99 ways from Sunday, no point. unintended to interpret the tenants of it's like the Simpsons line right like whether you're Christian Muslim or and I think there's Apu miscellaneous thank you will come again

Wilmer Air thanks for the two Canadian dollars scared there's no off ramp now what next for DXB I'm scared there's no off ramp as well I think this is a serious problem I don't think there's an offer-up right now. I mean, yeah, I mean, the thing is, okay, I mean, look, the Iranians don't want their lawn mode, right, as the Israelis say it. They don't want this to happen anymore. They need some kind of permanent deal. Otherwise, there's no reason for them not to keep fighting. Yeah.

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You deserve all the success you're getting, John. Oh, thank you. In other words, do we think the Turks are ready to attack? I would not going to attack the Israelis. I will let you in on a little secret. Last night, I had dinner with two senior officials from the Turkish foreign ministry. And we talked about this very issue.

And as soon as I brought it up, they looked at each other and they both started smiling. And they said, this is not going to happen. There is not going to be hostilities between Turkey and Israel. But if the Israelis were to provoke, and I thought this was so interesting, Ted, I had not thought of it. if the Israelis were to attack Turkey, Turkey would destroy them. And Turkey would not ask NATO to invoke Article 5. Would Israel pull the Samson option, though?

We talked about that. Yeah. And he said he didn't think so because Turkey has no interest whatsoever in occupying Israel. it would be just to bloody Israel's face and nose and tell them you stay on your side of the border and we'll stay on ours yeah fuck off and go away

that's right I don't think the Israelis are stupid enough to do that I can't imagine these Israelis do a lot of stupid things but not something that stupid that was stupid yeah but you attack a NATO country just because you don't like their leader no no that's not going to happen

The new Ayatollah Mostabha Kamenei has just issued, this is breaking news, a statement about, so dear combatant brothers, the demand of the masses and the continuation of an effective and regret-inducing defense, he did not appear on camera. He said the lever of closing the Strait of Ormuz must certainly continue to be used as well. Studies have been conducted on opening other fronts in which the enemy has little experience and would be highly. vulnerable. I'm reading cyber here. Their activation will take place if the wartime situation continues and in accordance with the considerations of expediency. Okay, and then there's just sort of some boilerplate thanks to their troops. John, when I was last in, I entered Iran, I was questioned by Iranian intelligence officers for about four hours at the border with Afghanistan. Yeah. And toward the end of the conversation, by the way, these guys are like, they're like exactly like Mossad guys. They kind of like could be twins. You know, they're always like in their 20s. They kind of like have big shit eating grins. They always wear like a sports jacket and a and just a t-shirt underneath. They're like the same. And the, except the Iranian ones are nicer. And the, and anyway, at the end of it, the guy said, he's like, can I get your email address?

I just really want to keep in touch with you. And I'm like, you don't really want to just keep in touch with me, do you? And he started laughing. And I was like, this was in 20, when was this? 2011. And it's like, he's like not looking to keep in touch. I think he wanted to like, we're going to get your email address and we'll hack it. Right.

And that was a long time ago. I mean, how are, do we know how Iran's cyber warfare, what their cyber warfare capabilities are? You know, all we see in the reporting is when Iran is the victim of cyber warfare. I don't think I know anything about Iran's capabilities. That's interesting. We hear about Stuxnet and how the Americans and the Israelis were crowing about their success with Stuxnet. Well, Iranians were retards. They were.

Yeah. Yeah, they were. And then Stuxnet, you know, leaked and went all over the Middle East. Yes. Yeah, it's crazy. So, yeah, no, I don't think there's an off-ramp, you know. I don't either. Ted and John, thanks for the $10 bucks from Zilu.

Could you talk about the CIA's surveillance targeting program, EM weapons, electromagnetic, I assume, mind control and gang stocking on innocent civilians. People say it's a torture program. Targeted justice is fighting and then to, and then, I don't know, it's cut off. You get the justice of it. Yeah, the CIA doesn't do that. The CIA hasn't even experimented with it since 1975. It's my understanding that there is no such thing as gangstocking.

What is gangstocking? Gangstocking. I get these queries almost every day. I got one yesterday where people say, well, I'll tell exactly what the guy said yesterday. He said that he's been under close-in surveillance, for the last six years, he's an Uber driver, and the CIA has been following him everywhere he goes. Just yesterday, he was in the grocery store and he turned to look and there was a man staring at him. And then when he's laying in bed at night, they're using electromagnetic weapons against him,

and it gives him a headache and he can't sleep. And they follow him everywhere he goes. It's like, no, that's mental illness. You need to see a psychiatrist, not a former CIA officer. But what does gangstocking mean? Gangstock is when it's a whole gang of people and they're constantly on you. Like some are following you close in. Some are following you from a distance.

Some are beaming waves at you. Some are in cars around you. It's all made up. It's all in their minds. Yeah. I mean, you tell me, but aren't intelligence operations are expensive. Salaries are expensive. If you were, you know, and you don't want to attract attention, right?

You know, in an operation like that, at most, would last a day or two, and it would be targeted against somebody who had very specific information that the CIA needed. Not some Uber driver driving around, you know, Kentucky. It's just not real life. And this targeted justice, it's targeted justice, I don't know, dot com or dot org, it's a place where all these people go to talk about how the CIA. is, you know, stealing their dreams and planted a chip in the filling in their tooth and communicating through some kind of waves. I have heard, like, funny, I mean, I have heard, I forget where I read this, but apparently it is, some people have credibly picked up, like, AM FM radio waves through

their feelings and the thought that it meant that they were being spied on. Yes. But really, they were just picking up radio waves. absolutely true or like you know or from cop cars or you know whatever whoever's using you know construction workers using radio um okay let's see um thanks for the dollar from hey mike john you should go on i'm what's telling you to go on things uh slavos uh halkeya's slavi world podcast my two favorite greek americans i never heard of it but i'm going to check it out okay B.J. O'Donnell, five bucks. Thank you very much.

Hey, all, with the information that AI is playing a part in the selection of targets for the current war in Iran, is it possible the school was targeted by AI? What would be the implication of this? Now, the thing is, that question has been directly answered by the administration. They deny it stridently. I'm inclined to believe them here. I think this was a human error. Yeah. In fact, the Washington Post, on the front page, the Washington Post this morning, they have a very long explanation of how this was fucked up every step of the way. Oh, I look forward to reading that. It pisses me off, though. I mean, look, as far as I'm concerned, I just want to be clear. Morally, to me, recklessness to that extent

is no different than if it was intentional. The moral culpability of the United States and President Trump and everyone in his administration, there's anything to do with this, is the same. To me, it's a war crime either way. Like, who cares? Like, oh, I just didn't give a shit. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, you know, to do my, I didn't give enough, I didn't do my homework. And so I'm sorry, your daughter's dead.

That doesn't really help me as a dad, does it? No. No. MM-5478, thanks for the 10. Just a few dollars to say, thanks for my career, public defender. You guys are fighting for a democracy. Oh, that's wonderful. And the rule of law.

Well done, gentlemen. Oh, the public. defenders are the unsung heroes of the American judicial system. They're grotesquely overworked and underpaid, and we need lots more and lots more money to give to them. Here, here, couldn't agree more. Jackson McGrath, thanks for the two Australian dollars, excluding Islamic theology. I don't know what that is. I think it's a follow-up to a previous comment. Repentant 1645, thanks for the 499 British pounds. With all these events unfolding, nobody seems to be speaking about Hamas.

Right. Bring this up. Do you both believe they may strike again or be planning something? I mean, anything's possible. Look, they talk about resilience, right? I mean, those guys are like cockroaches. You can't kill them. I mean, I think survival is the win.

I don't know, John. What do you think? I mean, Hespa has opened up a front against Israel for real, you know, three years late, but I guess. But here we are. Could Hamas have some trick up their sleeve? It's hard to believe at this stage. It would be hard to believe because their patrons have kind of been taken out, at least temporarily. Sure, I think we should expect Hamas to reconstitute itself.

It will never be a real threat to Israel, and it will result. in in Israeli counter strikes and counter attacks that would dwarf anything that Hamas could do to the Israelis. So kind of more of the same, I think. Oh, yeah, I think that's good. But I think, look, I think that's a valuable reminder that we should keep a, we should definitely keep an eye on Hamas. Agbalad, thanks for the 1,000 Nigerian, whatever the currency of Nigeria is. Thank you. Greetings from Lagos.

I've never heard John talk about Nigeria, interested to know if he's ever had anything to do with Nigeria during his career. Not a single thing. I will say that my colleagues in the Counterterrorism Center thoroughly enjoyed working with the Nigerians. We have a close relationship with the Nigerians, especially in the fight against terrorism in the Sahel. So relations are good, close cooperation, but I never had occasion to go. You know, even when I was doing training, counterterrorist training, there weren't many of us in that branch. It was a branch of like four guys and a chief. And I was all Middle East. And then I think toward the end I picked up Thailand.

But yeah, Africa wasn't my thing. Speaking of the Sahel, a culture junkie, thanks for the five euros. I want to hear more about the Sahel region and the roles of countries like Algeria in there. Yeah, the Sahel is a godforsaken mess. They are the definition of poor, desperate. There's no oil, right? So it's not like an oil boom. Not as far as we know.

As far as we know. I've started saying that because the places that we thought never had oil. Guyana. Kyrgyzstan. Kyrgyzstan? That's right. Sorry, sorry. Not Kyrgyzstan.

Tajikistan. Oh, was it Tajikistan? Geez, they're even more poor than Kyrgyzstan. Yeah, so they're going to be very happy about it. Yeah. So apparently there's like new deep drilling technology. and they can go down 1.5 miles. You know, the Russians developed that.

And they found, well, maybe the Russians passed it on to the Tajik's because they have very close relations. Interesting. The Russians got down so far. They went down like three miles and they had to stop because the drill bits kept melting. Oh, from the lava. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

That's great. You know, another thing I read is that oil workers at oil direct directs, because. it's, you know, it's rotted, mostly rotting plants, but they pull out like, they pull out like, you know, 200 million-year-old, you know, ferns and stuff, and then they fall apart when they hit the air. Wow. So cool. I think it's dead dinosaurs, but it's really not.

John, this is a question from Christine, $7.99, Australian dollars. How do you wait agents from other intelligence agencies? Are there any respect, hate, fear, et cetera? Have you had much exposure to them in the field? Well, obviously. Oh, lots and lots of exposure. You know, I said to somebody the other day, you know the scene in every James Bond movie

where James bumps into the CIA guy? The reason that's in all the movies is because that happens every single day. And you're like, hello, John. Hello, Nigel. Stay away from the deputy prime minister, Nigel. He's mine. He's mine.

That happened to me once in Kuwait. We were both going after the same target. I see this guy is like, shit. And he comes up to me. He's like, hello, John. I said, hello, Ian. What are you doing here? I had to deal with this one French guy at one time.

So I was instructed to meet with a French intelligence officer. So I called him. And I said, hey, how are you? I'm John. Nice to talk to you. Would you like to get together for lunch? And he's like, yes, meet me at the. intersection of First Avenue and Maple Street, right?

I'm like, okay, that's odd. Why not just give me the name of a restaurant? Yeah. So I'm standing there on the corner, and then he comes down the side street, makes a quick right turn, and he's like, jump in. And I said, you set me up for a car pickup meeting. It's called the CPU. A car pickup meeting.

I am not your asset. We're colleagues. I said, I'm walking down to this restaurant down here. I'll meet you there. But I'm not getting in your car. I'm offended. What do you? I mean, why are you offended?

So a car pickup is you've done a surveillance detection route to get to an intersection, an intersection on a black road. Black meaning not a main road so nobody can see you. Right? So you're going down this road. You make a quick right. The agent jumps in your car and ducks down and you continue on. So even if you are being followed, nobody saw the agent get in your car.

Well, buddy, we're having lunch to discuss some joint operation. I'm not in your car. Yeah, I'm not your recruited asset. French. Well, I mean, that's my family. To reckon, thanks for the five bucks. Trump seems to hope the war will cancel or win the midterm. Do you think he's right?

I agree with that analysis. I don't think it can possibly win the midterms. I mean, look, here's the thing. You have a war that at most is approved of or tolerated by 27% of the public, 40% by some accounts, right? I mean, wars never gain in popularity ever. World War II didn't gain in popularity. And it was the most popular American war ever. I mean, wars are hard.

Wars kill people. wars cost money, the public turns against them. There's no world in which, you know, we look back in December and say, wow, you know, the Republicans picked up seats in the house and it turns out it's because of the war. That's not possible. So I think it could be part of an excuse to declare a national emergency and cancel an election, you know, or to try to do that, I think. I know it sounds paranoid. But I mean, if all I keep, I keep coming back to it. I mean, I think if I'm Donald Trump, I don't want to go to jail in 2029. That means they got to cancel 2028. If I'm going to, and it's easier to cancel 2026 than it is to cancel 2028. And if you cancel 2026, then it's

easier like Zelensky to go back later and say, oh, you know, well, we canceled the parliamentary elections. Now we'll cancel. I mean, that's my thinking. I pray to God that you're wrong. Me too. Me too. But I don't know, we have consistently been taken by surprise with some of these issues. So I'm not making any predictions. All right, we've got a bunch of super chats to get through, and I do want to get to them and to any others that we can. But I do want to ask you about the Save America Act. So, you know, we talked about this, like my column last week, not the current one.

You know, basically you and I both talked about how we both agree that the Save America Act basically disproportionately disenfranchises, you know, people who don't can't put their hands on a passport or a birth certificate with the same name that they currently have. Like they got married, you know, most likely that. Or they got, or let's say they transition, but that's a fraction of 1%. So Republicans are fighting for it, even though it's going to hurt them at the polls. Democrats are against it, even though it's going to help them at the polls. Now President Trump, though, it's a full court press on the right, is leaning on John Thune and basically he's demanding

you know what's his name Jimmy Stewart He goes to Washington He wants a talking filibuster old school You know maybe you know wear your diapers Yeah that is old school and it's a lot of work And a parent and Thune is like says well we don't even have the votes To do the talking filibuster

In other words we just don't have as Donald Trump would say You don't have the cards. So what's going on here on the Republican side? Well, John Thune is exhibiting something called, what's the name of it? Leadership. Oh, right, that. Right, that.

Something I had to think about because we haven't seen it anywhere in Washington for so long. Right. John Thune is taking the long view here. That if you want to maintain your power and authority, authority, not just yours personally, but the body's power and authority, then you're going to maintain the filibuster. Of course Donald Trump wants to do away with the filibuster. Every president wants to do away with the filibuster so he can ram his projects through. But Thune knows that, and this is a lesson that Harry Reid learned the hard way, if you do away with the filibuster, the other side's going to

be back in power probably sooner rather than later, and you're going to be screwed. You know, Obama wanted so badly to force through his judicial nominees. And so Harry Reid lifted the filibuster when it came to judicial nominees. And that's how we have all these right-wing crazy people on the Supreme Court. That was Harry Reid's fault. And John Thune doesn't want to make it worse. John, I'm very mortified. We have like six more or seven more superchats to get to in just a couple of minutes.

The QP sub, thanks for the $50. Mr. Curiacu, or respect what you did and wish you success with your pardon. How important is Romania for U.S. military positioning toward the Middle East today? Also, is there credible evidence of CIA involvement in Romania's 1980s? revolution. I guess that's against Nikolai Chochescu. Choshescu. Oh, man, I wish I had five minutes for this. Romania is increasingly important vis-à-vis the Middle East. The Greeks can't take any more American planes, ships, all that stuff. It's full. Everything's full. The Turks are doing their own thing. The next best bet is Romania, maybe Bulgaria, but Romania and the United States are very

close. The militaries, the intelligence services are very close. So Romania is playing that role. SBR Slav, thanks for the tenor. A military that can drop a bomb through a window does not accidentally hit a school. We've been witnessing the use of the Dahia doctrine in Palestine and now Iran. It is simply terrorism. I mean, look, we don't know. Of course. We, it's, and, you know, but I, there's a big, you know, let's not conflate accuracy with by GPS with, you know, And we can definitely hit the, we can hit the target. The question is, do we know what the target is? That's the thing.

Robbie says he needs to pop on real quick. Okay, here we go. Howdy, howdy, real quick. I know we are almost out of time and there's a bunch of rants and super chats. I need y'all do me a favor. Take a picture of it. Take a picture of your rant. Email it to me, West Glacier Gaming at gmail.com.

I will put it at the top of the stack tomorrow morning. Thank you, Robbie. We just made this happen. Okay. Okay. And then like also, thank you for addressing gangstocking. That's Hogs, Candy Land, Two Buck. Love the show from Tristan. Thanks for the 1999. Surprise Judeo-Christian tagline sticks when Islam and Muslims love and revere Jesus and Mother Mary. Yeah. The propaganda against Islam and Muslims keeps natural relations from further forming.

That's true. Yes. Yeah, that is true. fellas okay these two are they're going to have to go with the two bottom ones Robbie we're going to do them tomorrow thank you so much our apologies for the not being able to get to everything but that's how it goes

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