DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Attn Gulf States: Pay to Iran $300 Billion | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• Iran could have access to up to $300 billion in reconstruction funds if it adheres to a peace agreement it recently struck with the U.S. It will be funded by the Gulf Coast Coalition, and is designed ​to trigger postwar investment into Iran.• The G7 pledged to “accelerate humanitarian and reconstruction efforts” and implement “relevant political and security measures” in Gaza, and “for ending violence in the West Bank.” the G7 leaders said. In their most recent terrorist attack, Israeli colonists vandalized a mosque and set it ablaze in the Palestinian village of Jaljilya. Pictures show the damage inside the building with Hebrew graffiti on the walls.• Americans who recently received proof of Canadian citizenship are being asked to surrender their certificates, sparking confusion and disappointment. The letters were sent to an unknown number of people who obtained citizenship via an ancestral tie to Canada under a “Lost Canadians” law enacted in December.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

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What's happening, man? Doing okay this morning? I am doing okay. I'm actually laughing my ass off, looking at Zionists, it's freaking out online. It's been just so entertaining. The Hasbara types have been so mean, so intellectually dishonest, so rude, and so verbally abusive for so long that to see them

getting their comeuppance is a joy that I never anticipated. I just never thought, you know, even if this all turns out to be a chimera and it turns out that the whole thing blows up, as you've predicted, will likely happen. It's still, you know, a fun few days to watch their freakout. I hope it lasts just so that the freak out lasts. I mean, you know, they've been at their bullshit now for a better part of a century. So we're kind of owed a century plus interest of their freaking out and being made miserable. The only thing is we don't really have the anti-Zionists, we don't really have the energy to just get up every morning

and just bullshit them and lie because we have other things to do. I mean, we have cats to groom their claws. We have food to eat. You have to get dressed and look great as opposed to me. You know, it's just we have other things. We have lives. But still, I'm just, I'm laughing my ass off.

I really am. I mean, it is so great. It is an enjoyable experience. It is. I mean, but let's be honest, though, the enjoyable experience for me is, yeah, there's a element of them freaking out the Mark Levins, the neocons who are finally seeing the leaked draft for the first time, and they're freaking out at what's in the leaked draft. I think they need to calm down a bit.

I think they're like the spoiled children. Oh my God, I asked for a green Mayback, not a black one. I don't want this, mom. That is taking place, right? But the reality of it is they've gotten so accustomed to getting everything that they want. That even a deal like this, that is most of the items in the deal was pushed to the future. they're royally freaking out, which I look. But let's be very clear, this is because of military defeat.

Like, this wouldn't take place if it wasn't. Put it this way, if Donald Trump had a military solution, you would have taken it. And obviously, looking at the leaked document, the press. This episode sponsored by KiwiCo. Need a better answer to, I'm bored? KiwiCo replaces free time with hands-on fun. With Kiwi-Co, kids get projects delivered right to the door, So they can build, test, tinker, create, and actually see how things work.

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From scratch, KiwiCo makes learning feel like play. Visit kiwiko.com to learn more. Kiwiko, seriously fun, hands-on learning. Pressure that had to been on him for him to even put stuff like this in a document is pretty astonishing, whether or not the stuff is pushed into the future or not. It was put into the document as enticements to get Iran to sit down at the table and talk. And so it's pretty amazing. I mean, some of this stuff is immediate.

like the what, what, $12 billion of Iran's own money going back to him, that's immediate. Meaning even if this blows up in a week, money is in their pocket. The $12 billion is already maybe on its, it's already an escrow or it's on its way. Yeah. From my understanding, it's been unbroken through like Qatar or something like that. So let's just be clear. This wouldn't happen if it wasn't for the U.S. being militarily defeated. 100%. You know what? I mean, it's amazing to me that the deocons, they can't look at a map, right?

It's like, well, look, guys, even if Trump had authorized a ground, an Iraq-style ground invasion with hundreds of thousands of U.S. and possibly allied, like British troops, you still couldn't have recaptured control of the Strait of Hormuz. As long as there's any part of Iran still under Iranian government control, they could fire missiles and drones at the Strait of Hormuz, right? And no insurer was going to authorize an oil tanker to pass through there. So you can't, it's not physically possible for a country the size of the United States with its military, the size that it is, to occupy all of Iran. It's just too big. And so therefore, it was never going to happen. Just given geography and existing technology, you just couldn't win. And that was it.

So, I mean, it has nothing to do with Trump selling out or being too weak or anything like that. It's just reality that, you know, by the way, I'm glad to see, you know, Trump acknowledging reality. And, you know, I mean, I'm very quick. to criticize, and I want to praise Trump for coming to his senses, admitted, you know, basically trying to make peace and end this conflict, and possibly at the expense of Benjamin Netanyahu. That's, I mean, seriously, good, I mean, the only, you know, you can't go back in time and say you shouldn't have, you know, of course we can say you shouldn't have done this.

Of course he shouldn't have done this. Yeah. You know, and thousands of Iranians would still be alive and 13 Americans would still be alive. But we are where we are. Given where we are now, he is doing the right thing. We've got to talk about this $300 billion. Real quick. I think you're giving him way too much credit.

Go. I think you're giving way too much credit. Okay. Like, put it this way. Give it a month. If in a month, give it a month. Okay. No, granted.

And then give it two and then give it three. No, I mean. The reason why he wants to give it a month is because we've seen. seen this. Like, it's like, the reason this feels very different, though. I don't think it is. I know. I think that Trump

was up against a wall that he couldn't get past because the oil was going to go bankrupt. That's different. The clock ran out. Right, the clock ran out. And he was forced to sell whatever he had to sell to get

that straight of her most open. That's what happened. Like, I don't think it's this is not Trump recognized reality. None of this stuff in the deal, if you notice, most of the stuff in the deal is pushed into the future, a final agreement, this thing, this, that may take place in X amount of timeframe and everything else.

None of this stuff is like most of the stuff in it is future. Also, again, there is a huge question around the issue of Lebanon, because Iran has very clearly said that is part of the deal. In fact, in the documents, Lebanon comes up like three times, and it is the first thing in the list. Israel has not stopped attacking Lebanon. I mean, like, what do I do with this, right?

And it's either this belief that Israel is a singular rogue sovereign state or it's not. Now, obviously, Iran doesn't see it as a sovereign state. I don't see it as a sovereign state. It has never been a sovereign state. It is the dog that has been so had a leash with so much lax in the leash that it believed it was a singular independent entity. Now, the catch becomes, does the president pull on the leash? And up to this point, I don't care if he drops the F bomb. I don't care if they're leaking this idea of, oh, these people have disagreements.

I don't care. I don't care. Does the U.S. continue to give them money? Does the U.S. continue to give them political support? and if and when Iran responds and hits Israel, does the U.S. get involved? That's what I need to see. Otherwise, I don't believe this. I've seen this too much with the Biden administration, and I've seen it with the Trump administration where they feign disagreement while allowing Israel to continue what it does. I don't buy it. I mean, I could be wrong. And look, forgive me if I'm wrong in this, but I'm wrong in this based on what has been taking place over the course of the last several years.

So we'll see. That's what I'm saying. You're giving them too much credit? For now, for now, if they come up with a deal and the U.S. fucks off, I'll be like, Ted, you nail that shit. I would never again question your political acumen. Jamarly, it is hard to go wrong being cynical and expecting the worst. Generally, the pessimist is right. And so, you know, you have the safer bet here, for sure. I'm out on a limb. Now, let's just say, first of all, I want to be clear. I don't think that anything Israel does to Lebanon, between now and the signing agreement on Friday in Geneva counts or matters. I mean, it matters to the people whose homes are being blown up and whose babies are going to die. But it's not going to matter geopolitically. They are going to do that this week. Under the justification, this is our last chance to do it.

And also, there is no ceasefire currently in effect. So not the big one, not the big deal. So we have a few more days to wreak havoc in Lebanon. What really is going to matter is this weekend and next week and going forward. And will the Israelis continue to attack? And will the U.S., as you say, stand by and let the Iranians retaliate if and when they do? And will the U.S. hold Israel accountable? I'm going to go way out on the limb.

I think the U.S., I think Trump is done with Israel. I think he's done with Netanyahu. I think that now there's nothing he can do about pulling the money because that's a treaty obligation from the Camp David Accords, right? So that has to go through Congress. It would have to be amended by the Senate. So I don't see that happening, even with the diminished popularity of Israel in the United States. So the basic funds of $4 billion a year are going to continue to flow. Would supplemental

funding for adventures like the genocide in Gaza continue? That I don't think so. I think we go back to the status quo antebellum. I think that's where we are. But we'll see. I mean, we got to talk about something that we only students of history see, which are war records. reparations. Yes. Iran had demanded war reparations. I thought, you and I talked about this. We both thought, that's a throwaway, right?

I mean, the Iranians know they can't get that. Nobody pays war reparations, right? The U.S. lost to Vietnam. We didn't pay reparations. The U.S. lost in Iraq. In Afghanistan, we didn't pay reparations. In this case, we're not paying. I mean, this is so Donald Trump, it's like that play, OPM, other people's money.

But Donald Trump is going to have. have the Gulf states who, by the way, were going to have, like, you know, they were going to pay for like Sandals, Gaza and, you know, and, you know, ClubMed, Con Unis in Gaza. Instead, they're not going to be doing that. They're going to be giving Iran $300 billion for reconstruction. I think this is super interesting. The poor Gulf states, I mean, they get bombed during the war for picking the wrong side. And now they have to shell out a third of what Elon Musk is worth in order to pay for Iran to be fixed up again.

I mean, it's kind of amazing. They're not calling it war reparations, but what else is it? I mean, literally it's to encourage investment in Iran. So if you're going to encourage investment, to me that says all sanctions relief are off, otherwise you can't have for an investment. and it means complete integration into the international community, which means that Iranian citizens and U.S. citizens can visit each other's countries, get tourist visas.

That's what Trump envisions here, is he's looking for Trump Tower to Iran. I mean, I think he has a big, he's looking at things Ted Raul-style right now. Never going to happen. I don't think this would be God, man. I feel so cynical talking. They say that half the $300 billion is already on the way. That's what I've heard. That's what I think Reuters is reporting that half of the money.

Because J.D. Vance is out here and Trump is like, we're not giving them any money. And J.B.M.R.Z. He's saying it's not us. It's not us. It's not us. It's what it is. It is literally reparations. It is.

Now, mind you, though, this is in the future. It's not even a loan. It's not like an IMF loan, right? It's a gift. It's investment. It's not a gift. It's reparations. Yeah, it's word reparations.

We are paying them back for the damage that we've effectively done. Think of the confidence that you got, like, you're fighting a superpower and you're putting demands on that superpower. We want reparations. And the superpower says, okay, we got to get the straight open. Just give it to them. Just give it to them. Now, as you pointed out, they said half of it is supposedly already being accumulated.

300 billion, if final negotiations go through, all sanctions removed if negotiations go through. What is taking place now, though, is oil flowing through, meaning no sanctions on your oil, meaning you could sell it, petrol chemicals, all of those things.

You could sell it, have fun, go bananas. Like, meaning all of these things are things that are taking place now because Iran doesn't necessarily trust the U.S. But imagine what happens, though. Like, how is Israel, to be a hegemon in the region when iran is getting 300 billion dollars of investment all of the sanctions being removed on their economy who is going to be the superpower in the region well no

that's that's exactly right i mean right back of the envelope that's that's 75 years of camp david level support from the u.s to israel yes that's a lot of money Hips by skepticism. Now, I'm wondering if there's strings attached, like normally when the IMF or the World Bank lends money to a nation, they always insist that the U.S. or European contracting firms be engaged at no-bid contracts to do the work. I can't imagine there's going to be those kinds of strings for the simple reason that it's not practical in a country that we've had no diplomatic ties with for so long. I mean, Iranians are going to get this money and they're going to be able to do with it what they will. I mean, talk about strengthening the regime, too.

I mean, a lot of Iranians never liked this government. But now, you know, they're going to have all sorts of things that us Americans can only dream of. They're going to have high-speed rail. They're going to have, you know, brand new schools and hospitals. It's going to be, you know, highways. I don't think, unless, you know, the mullahs steal at all, which is, I guess, always a possibility. But, I mean, it's going to boost their economy enormously. Yeah.

A lot of unemployment's going to come down. All that stuff has to be built with people. Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, the sanctions that the U.S. had been using against Iran was in order to damage the country itself, basically the hurt people with the idea that those people blame the government for the pain and misery that they were effectively feeling. Ideally, like a Venezuelan or Syrian situation.

This reverses all of that. But again, I keep needing to put this in context in the future. Like, meaning we got to get to the future. It's not, but it's not. I mean, it's not. I mean, right now, as we're speaking, you know, the Supreme Leader can be opening up his bank account and seeing that like a lot of commas have just arrived. $12 billion is already on the way. And $150 billion could be there by Friday.

I have a question. I have a question for y'all. Could we lose a war so we get high-speed rail between Calispell and New York? I would love that. Yeah. I mean, we lose wars anyway. We all get anything out of it. Can we lose a war and actually... Losing paid off for Japan and Germany big time. Except for the dead people. And by the way, the idea that the Gulf states get smashed by Iranian missiles and then Trump tells them, give them $300 billion. It's amazing. That is amazing.

And this, by the way, plays into the raw narrative. Okay. So if you're, why didn't the Gulf States say, sit and spin, Donald? Why? Because they can't, because they're our bitch.

Okay. And similarly, what can do it? And who is BB? BB's our bitch. And Trump recognizes that. And it's, I mean,

this had to have been rough for Trump. You know, who's trying to project this hyper-masculine butch image. And everybody, everybody has been talking about how he's been like, you know, gobbling BB's cock all these years. And now it's like, it's like, now this is his chance to be like, I'm a big boy now. I just turned 80. And now it's time to be a man and put away childish things and stand and walk tall.

I'm trying to mix as many metaphors as possible. And like, you know, I mean, good for little Donald. He's finally grown up. And he's, and he's telling that bad, mean, bully, BB to shut the fuck up. I mean, the thing is, that's it, right? So, I mean, what else, what other explanation is there for the $300 billion? The United States could have been like, are you kidding me? We want reparations.

They bombed us. We didn't bomb them. But they can't. Again, he was under the eight ball. like I don't think Trump cares about human beings or human life or human suffering or human misery. Not at all. But I do think he cares about the gas going to infinity. Yeah, he does.

Yeah. Which by the way, the problem is not solved. But yes. The problem is not solved. And once you get past, you get oil flowing, you get gas going down. Oh, we will be back. By the way, there's all sorts of, we will be back. There are all sorts of, I mean, I'm sure you've read about this, but it's obvious.

There's all sorts of economic implications to this that go, you know, in terms of the rejiggering of the global energy environment. And basically this is, you know, basically this is going to hasten the move towards green energy, you know, solar, wind, et cetera. And China's a huge beneficiary because they've invested so big in the, you know, heavy metal mining industries that are important for these things like manufacturing solar panels and so on. I mean, that they've, and they've pivoted in a huge way away from fossil fuels. I mean, you know, all the energy companies, they'll be fine.

Everyone always thinks like, oh, like green energy is bad for ExxonMobil, but actually those companies have massive green energy divisions, right? They're the biggest investors in that sector, so they're leveraging. but it's going to be a big job creation engine around the world. You know, it'll probably have a positive effect on the climate. You know, I mean, this is massive. I mean, this little war, it's hard to think of a four-month-long conflict with such massive geopolitical implications, right?

I mean, it's not quite World War I, but it's a big deal. I mean, it's like now you have, like, you know, bricks is massively strengthened. Between this and the Ukraine conflict, the world looks very different than it did five years ago. Agreed. The world does look very different. I wouldn't put much stock in bricks, at least right now. I know people... That's a long-term project. Yeah, that's a very long-term project. And if you notice, all of these countries are cynical. Like, they have individual concerns. They're in it.

explicitly for what benefits them. They don't extend themselves to anybody else. I mean, honestly, the most wild thing to me is that Iran extended its shield over Lebanon. An argument can be made that Hezbollah is part and parcel necessary for the defense of Iran in a similar way that Syria was necessary to the defense of Iran. So you can say it's, you know, in the real sense, well, they're doing it because they need Hezbollah to exist and they're going to defend Hezbollah in this case. which is probably true. No, I agree with you, man. The world is a very different place.

You have Iran confident. Up to that point, I don't remember Iran and Israel exchanging fire, and Iran has gotten very familiar with hitting Israel and Israeli targets at this point, just like they've gotten very comfortable with hitting U.S. basis. Putting attacks on America is pretty astonishing, taking this traitor from Moose.

Okay, well, now you have a regional player that we've maligned for decades, now I'm controlling this major choke point. You've gotten this diminishment of American power from the standpoint of the world's perspective of it, not what it was in actual reality, meaning power is a shadow on the wall. Okay, it's a shadow up into the point

where you need to use it and actualize it and do something with it. Okay, we've had to actualize it and do something with it, and we failed. That's big, as you point out. Also, guys, have you guys either of you thought about the Suez crisis? I mean, that predates all of us. But like Suez crisis was just like this, right?

And Nasser failed, basically. But it was the same idea. And I'm sure the Iranians thought a lot about this in the same way that, you know, the Afghans, you know, looked at the Sepoy rebellion and thought like, hey, we could get independent from the Brits, right? I mean, these precedents that most Americans have no idea. like I think if you walked out into a mall even in like you know, I don't know, Cambridge, Massachusetts near, you know, with highly educated people, very few of them could tell you what the Suez crisis was.

But I have a question for the two of you. And this I've been thinking about, you know, when the Ukraine war started, the, what you're seeing from on Twitter, all the talking heads and stuff, their little Ukrainian flags is if Russia loses, it gets knocked out of the ranks of the great powers. now that the United States has been defeated by Iran, has that knocked the United States out of the ranks of the great powers? No. I mean, no. I mean, and by the way, it would have been nonsense to think that if Russia being defeated in Ukraine would have knocked it out of the ranks of the big powers. I mean, it's still a country with 11 times zones.

It's still the biggest country of the world. It still has tremendous natural resources and a powerful military and deep-rooted political and straightforward culture. I mean, so no. I mean, the United States can absorb this blow. Honestly, I got to tell you, this is going to be one of the best things that ever happened to the United States if it sticks. In the same way that Algeria and Indochina did a huge favor to France. I mean, France was a shithole country after World War II.

I mean, I know, because I went and visited in the 1970s, and it was still desperately poor. There were, I mean, my ex-wife, she had a year abroad in college in 1982 in Paris. She stayed in a cold water flat in Paris. They still had them. And like, she had to go to the public baths to take a hot shower. They literally didn't have hot running water in her apartment. And that's not true anymore. But France didn't really recover economically from World War II until the 1980s under Francois Mitterrand and socialism.

I mean, that's a long fucking time. And the thing is, losing its colonial empire has been a boon for France. It meant that they were able to start directing resources toward their own social safety net, building up the health care system, making life sweeter, better, for the French people. You know, that's what could happen for us if we were to get our asses handed to us on the international stage. And we really did have an America first agenda, whether it's a left or a right or a moderate one.

That would be a game changer. It would be like, I seriously would be like, thank you, Iran. Well, that was my take. That's why I keep saying I'm a patriot with the stuff, even though I keep saying I want us to lose. I want us to lose. I want us to lose. I want us to lose because I want focus to be bought here. And I want that strategic loss to be felt in the nation in a way where people are like, hey, maybe let's not

do this again. Maybe this didn't work out. Like Hunter Biden, we need to hit rock bottom so that we go to rehab and shape up. Yeah. We need to have the crack pipe in our mouth and a videotape with a crack pipe. And, you know, the chicks in the back in the bathroom naked or something like that. humiliation. We have to hit rock bottom. Yeah, we got to hit rock bottom. And I don't think this is rock bottom, but, you know, I wish it was. Until we do that, though, nothing changes. Because look, again, I am not of mind that people change out of kindness. I think they change because there's something that pushes in the change. There's a certain inertia in the way that people behave. If they see a military failure on a massive effing level, maybe they think to themselves, maybe we shouldn't do that, especially if it hurts back home. Meaning if gas, Let me ask you this. Do you think it was a mistake for them to allow the straight-of-o-moose to be open? No. No, because they're playing to an international audience here, right? I mean, they're like, this is about global public opinion. It have, they have to, first of all, they also want the straight-of-ormuz open.

They have a, they're a major oil-producing state, right? So they want to export their oil. So, no, I think they, I think it's, I know what you mean, like, keep the pressure on, keep the pressure on. I think at this point, they can always go back to it any time they want. It's a little lever they can just turn. So I think it's like they can go, they can tell the world, they can tell their people. Look, we'll go back to business as usual. We get reparations.

Everything will be normalized. And we looked out for our buds there in Hezbollah. We looked out for them. That's got to play big in the Arab Street, right? I mean, it just does. It's like, look at the Iranians, man. They fucking, they stood up. Yeah.

But again, from my point of view, this isn't over. The predation, like, think of Syria for a moment. The first time that Syria was able to fight off the terrorists of trying to attack, all of us were like, hey, good job. They fought off the terrorists. They beat them. They won. They destroyed the enemy. The Russians, the Iranians, and Syrians together were able to beat back the terror.

terrorist dogs that the U.S. effectively was sending to take them down the U.S., the Gulf states, et cetera. It took 10 years for Syria to fall. That has emblazed my memory because I was doing the show as it was following. Syria never had a choke point. Syria didn't have an ace in the whole. Iran does. I accept that. I'm pointing out that just because we failed the first time didn't mean we stopped and it took like a decade, if not longer, for Syria to eventually fall to predation. I'm saying I'm not going to be a triumphalist. The United States will turn its depredations elsewhere, but Iran is safe for the time being, I think. We will see. We have a bunch of comments. We should get to them.

Is Cuba? One of the latter ones, is Ted America first from Matina? Fuck yeah, I'm America first. Okay, here we go. John D. Cackelfeller, y'all excited to have the J.C. B.O.A. back, but with billions of dollars worth of payments and 13 dead Americans, well, we're in favor of the payments. The 13 dead Americans actually get back, and it is more than 13. Yeah.

It's going to be 294, right? No, what is it? It'll be $324 billion, at least. Okay. Jabari, thanks for the $2. Good morning, gentlemen. Zio is dead finally. I think that's true.

You're laughing at me. That's fair. I'm not laughing at true. It's just, I've seen this. Probably not wrong, but I'm still staying, I'm keeping my dead. No, no, look, Ted, you can be completely right. I don't, I don't, look, it is very possible that Trump looks at this got bored. I was like, all right, I'm done. This wasn't easy. I thought this was going to be

Venezuela. It's not. I'm calling it quits. That could totally be true. Oh, and you know what's next. Cuba. Yeah. Yeah. He could totally go back to, all right, they're easier prey for me to go after. Yeah. Yeah. He's a tough. He could totally do that. Do you think that the Zionists that are in Washington have changed or the people around Trump that are Zionists have changed. Well, they're going to be forced to change. Look, those people are disgusting. They have all the moral, all the moral center of a fucking donut with its little, little

custody inside, right? There's nothing, there's nothing solid there. Those same fucking people a week ago were saying Donald Trump could do no wrong. Now he's betrayed us. He's scum. He lied to us. Really? Donald Trump lied to you?

Oh my God. Who could have ever seen that coming? And then, like, you know, and I guarantee you, like, they'll find some way in the future to, like, get back in the mix and be like, oh, fuck Israel. We never liked Israel anyway. I mean, you know, Laura Lumer, she'll just, she'll just bark like the dog that she is, right? I mean, that's how they are. Girl, Ted, surely I can get a shout out. Here's your shout out.

Shout out. Okay, Alexander, fuck around and find out, doesn't understand geography. Dollar from F.U. So I guess we don't have alien weapons technology because Trump would have used them to avoid humiliation. It's like how remote viewers like killing goats. It's like, we need you to kill the second idol. You're being too harsh, JT. This is the move of a strategic genius. If Trump doesn't know what he's doing, our enemies cannot know possibly know either. Yeah, 3D. Chal. Strategic incompetence. Oh, here's Daniel.

I swear I didn't read your comment when I just said that. Yeah, let's not pretend Trump had some come to Jesus moment when it comes to illegal wars. He's still planning to invade Cuba. I think that's next, yeah. Yeah. Agree. Manchild, Israel's a rabid dog with a nuclear arsenal and a hatred for their Muslim neighbors. the road to hell was paved with good intentions.

Yeah, this is where we have to start worrying about a Samson option type situation. We really do. Patlantis, Ted, do you really believe Trump wants Trump Tower to Iran? Are you trying to stay optimistic? I actually think he does. He wants all the Trump towers everywhere. Trump Tower Damascus, Trump Tower Havana. He wants them all over the place, don't you think?

I think so. And by the way, in doing so, basically proclaiming, I am peace, President Trump. I've made peace with Iran, et cetera, et cetera. Would I be shocked if you try the feathers cap with something like that? No. But I just think it is, inertia is a hell of a thing. That's all. And we have had an inertia. I mean, Iran was, I mean, McCain was screaming, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran. And the crowd was like, yeah, let's do it. Like we've had an inertia in our political establishment ever since Iran got rid of the Shah to,

I assume, put the Shaw's son back in office or something like that. I think that's going to be very hard for the mechanism in Washington to turn tail. But would Trump want a Trump towers? Hell yeah, who we want Trump towers in Tehran? Why wouldn't know? All right. Zach Dicastmansoor out of the other side of J.T.'s mouth, come out the words black people should get reparations.

Black people should get reparations. The issue, let's be very clear, it's not that there's some 230-year-old vampire that was around that is guilty of slavery. It's not that. It's the U.S. government that is guilty of slavery. the U.S. government still exists. The U.S. government has never paid for that. I don't think, to my knowledge, there's even ever been a formal resolution from Congress apologizing for it.

No, there hasn't. They've just. Ridiculous. As if it didn't exist. It's like the murdering of the Native Americans. We just act like it doesn't exist. We have Thanksgiving and pretend like, hey, everything was great. They gave us corn.

And like, in the Japanese Americans who went to the internment camps, they got. They did get them. $1,000. Yep. We didn't get shit. And they make the argument, well, I mean, there was reconstruction and there were affirmative action. And it's like, dude, I can look at the wealth gap between whites and blacks.

And it's something like, on average, whites is like $100,000-thousand-dollar blacks of like $14,000. And you look at that and you think to yourself, okay, either some people are right that these people are just inferior. or there was something dramatic that happened that gave one a magnificent head start against the other. I think it's the latter. I don't think people are that radically different where they think differently in their mind. History is super, super clear about that. I mean, there's no question about it. All right, let's see.

By the way, I have no idea with the argument. I agree with it. The issue is, can you do it? Well, that's always to me, in my mind, there's never been any doubt that black people are entitled to, and other disadvantaged groups as well, but black people more than anyone are entitled to massive reparations. The question is the execution, right? I mean, does Barack Obama get reparations, even though, you know, he's not a descendant of slaves? Do a descendant of slaves get it if they're rich? Like, oh, you, you know, you have $100 million, should you get? reparations. I mean, should it be need-based. I mean, where does the money come from? Is it a tax on whittie or is it a tax on whitey and Asians and Latinos who have their own issues with our system? I mean, execution to me would be is the rub. Also, poor whites are not going to go for this idea of giving blacks money. No, no. And let's all be honest. Yeah, most people in the

United States are white. So, yeah. Again, I would argue that part of the reason that we don't have health care, education, and these type of things is because from White's point of view, we're giving stuff to blacks who are undeserving. This is the whole James Baldwin thing. Like, I'm not trying to take your cup of, you know, your cup of coffee. There seems to be, like, meaning, if this was an all-white country, or let's say 70, 80, 90 percent, what? We would have health care. Or do you think I'm wrong on that? That's a good question. I don't know.

I don't. I don't have to. I don't have a feeling about it. I'm really good to be just being paranoid. No, I don't know. What do I own that you're entitled to, J.T? Not one thing. What's your argument?

I don't have an argument for that. There's nothing that you own that I'm entitled to. It's not about what you own. It's about a U.S. government. Government is a different entity than Robbie. No, I understand that. But we are a nation of, we are a nation with elected representatives. And if you go along with the mythology of this country, what you're going to hear,

you know, people who don't actually study the history say that the union fought a war of conquest against the Confederacy to free the slaves. Like that, that's the lie. That's the myth that they put out. So if that's true, if that was the precursor to the liberation of France in World War II, then freeing the act of abolishing slavery and freeing black people with the spilling of American blood should in and of itself. You're out of your mind. You're out of your mind.

I agree with you. Nobody told them to bring slaves here. No, listen, hey, I agree with you. I mean, slavery is one of the greatest things, one of the greatest evils that's ever been done. It's trying to point out that you can't put people in bondage and then fight a war of freedom. and then claim that the fact that you fought the war to freedom in and of itself all censor no i agree with you no listen i agree with you but that's how the republicans are going that's how they're going to try to spin this thing and to your point i think that a lot of this stuff

would have been happened would have been fixed before except for the fact that we have no since let's say uh when the immigration act of 1965 was opened up and up to the current day to your point, I think that without the massive demographic change that we've had in this country, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now because we would have universal health care. We would have this conversation about reparations would have already been settled and happened. The problem is, is a lot of people say, well, affirmative action is a type of reparations to black people. That's not true. Affirmative action, more especially when it comes, if you're tying the H-1B visas, has disproportionately affected no immigrants that ever had they ever has with black people.

No. Well, no, I'd mention affirmative action benefited white women more than anybody else. Oh, for sure. No, for sure. It's just, it's just one of those feel good things. It's just the problem that I guess I have with immigration, not immigration, with reparations. First, okay, the government has to pay for it. That's fine. But like, say Ted, Ted, Ted's a first-duration American.

why should his taxes have to go up to pay reparations when his family wasn't even here when when slavery was a thing so i guess that's how how do you parcel that out how do you figure what that out what that means my family was here the u.s government gives israel billions yeah that's it billions they're coming on my tax dollars coming to te tax dollars the government looks at it as this is coming from the government of the united states it's not about any individual person or end of it into any rando. If you come into the country, you're under laws and everything else, the ideals, the culture, et cetera, et cetera, meaning you take on the debts, just like you take on the virtues and the

benefits of being a member of this country. It is what it is. I have a meaning, yes, tax dollars will go to it. Some rando just came into the country, their tax dollars would go to it. Just like my tax dollars goes towards immigration issues, or my tax dollars goes towards paying Israel, or my tax dollars goes to things. that I don't necessarily want to pay or want to be a part of wars, for example, in Iran being another one. Meaning we're part of a government. We're not individuals in this case. You can make an argument

that we are, the individuals make up a government. Fair enough. But there is an emergent entity that takes place at a certain point that transcends any one particular individual on this particular issue. So I get your point. And they will make that argument. But I think the argument is the point that we are a country, not individuals. There's a difference. Listen, for the record, I agree with you. My wife, her great-grandfather was a slave. I mean, we got the paperwork.

We got the bill of sale, literally. I mean, he was a shallow slave. And so that's one of the things that's really kind of unique about my family. My family split, part of it far from the north, part of it far for the south. Her grandfather was literally a slave. slave and now here it is 150 years later we're married with kids so so my question to you is is like my son thomas why should he be why should he be on the hook for a bill that he never he has never owned and would his reparations outweigh his debt like that's the whole issue

like how do you know how you mix this thing up and then if you and if you're thinking about america's a an age of immigrants well then if you're not if you're not if you're not If America, and by way, I don't believe this, if America was built on the back of slavery, then that means every immigrant that's come to this country has benefited from that slavery, and they owe a larger portion of reparations since their population has increased so much more than the domestic population has. That's the whole issue. Just to be clear, I reiterate, this is not about an individual. If you're in the country at that point, you deal with the virtues and the failings and faults,

meaning if the United States was attacked because we started a war and the war came back to our shores, the immigrants will also be affected by it every bit as much as if the United States, I don't know, takes the oil from Venezuela and benefits from it. They will benefit from it also. They get the virtues and the vices. They get both because they became a member of the country. It's not about an individual. I don't doubt that it's complicated. It is complicated. No, it's a mess. I think we've let this go for so many years. I mean, for God's sake, we've let this go for hundreds of years. So I don't doubt that it's complicated.

And again, it's fraught with political, you know, difficulties. The reason why I, when Sanders was running, and Sanders wasn't running for reparations, and I didn't fault him for it. I was like, I don't blame him because I didn't think he could win with it. I thought he'd lose for everything that you're bringing up now and having to deal with it in a political situation or context.

I thought he'd lose if he tried to. if he tried to hit that hammer. Now, mind you, he lost anyway, right? And maybe he would have gotten the black vote if he would have went that route. I think he would have lost 70% of the white vote if he would have done that. And yes, whites make up 70% of the population. I think he would have lost the majority of white. We should move on.

I think I'll go away with this. I just think that a better way to handle this situation, honestly, would be to lift all boats and just pull out a NATO, close the foreign bases, have free education and free health care for everyone and considered the bill paid. By the way, that is something everyone could get on with. Robbie agreed, which is why you rarely hear me push for reparation. Because I think you create a political backlash when you are. Again, you've heard me make the argument that it is owed.

Like I am unabashed that it's owed. Give me a check. Like Malik was saying, give me a check. Malik is a Republican. You'd be like, give me a check. By the same token, I think you all. far better off if everybody has health care, everybody has education, everybody has so-and-so. I don't think there is no such thing as justice in this case. You can't take the pain that was

caused to those particular people. You can try to make your country better. Yeah. So, Rodney, agree. Looked all both. Try to make it as right as you can. Yeah. I mean, really, if any nation owes reparations, it would be the Ivory Coast of Mali, since they're one's kidnapping their own people and selling them to the slave traders anyway. there. I mean, it just gets messy. Let's just divide the baby and call it a day. It's very messy. One bit of slavery doesn't justify enough. Come on. We know that reparations can work out great. Let's say, for example, your people have

been wiped out in, we'll call it a Holocaust, then what you do is you take someone else's land and you give it to them to make up for it. And it works out great. That's how you do it. No problem, no must, no fuss. And you get a funny little hat as a bonus prize. 12 noon today, by the way, we have the Q&A show. So we can take this up in the Q&A segment in two and hours and two hours and 13 minutes here. It's 947 on the East Coast. If you're just joining us, thank you so much.

All right. We have a lot of lot. I'm sorry to keep us moving here, but we have lots of more comments to get to here. All right. Okay. Primal Barbarian. How do you guys think this proposed peace deal will affect LeBron's legacy?

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That would be the only fans. I don't look for us to this show. I'm going to get very wet for that, you know. I'm just saying. Look, it's a man folding laundry. Yeah, but now y'all can come and join the gaming channel over here. I remember, put in my gaming. I appreciate it.

All right. We got a kind of game that we like, though. Oh, we got like chess. Civ is good. Have you ever played any of the Baldersgate games? I have never played Boulder's Gate. And I have, I know what the words are. That makes a good.

My son plays Baldur's. With the term, with the words, but I don't know the game. That's the game. That's by a Chinese guy, right? A Japanese guy who made it. It's like you're wondering through a dungeon or something. Well, it's based on Dungeons and Dragons. But the original ones were made by Black Magic Studios, great classic games.

The new ones made by Layering Studios based out of Belgium, if I remember correctly. Awesome game. And when Ted pays me, I'm going to get you a copy. Because are you on PC or or a game console? For me? Yeah, you. So I play chess on obviously the PC for, um, I play on the game console, but I also have it on my PC.

So I can play on either. Gotcha. We're going to have our, listen, we're going to have our some, some, uh, some good fun. This can be great. Okay. All right. Let's move on here. Ted's like, shut up.

I don't care. Shut up. All right. Tyler Trotter. Thanks for the seven bucks. Thoughts on Gordy Howe Bridge, not opening and trading negotiations with Canada. Love you guys. Wait.

Okay, so I don't know this story. Gordy Howe Bridge, isn't that the bridge in Baltimore? Let me see. What is that? Oh, oh, oh. This is the border cross. between Canada and the United States in Detroit. So, okay.

And anyway, the bridge construction is not open yet. And the opening is delayed due to an international standoff amid ongoing trade talks between the U.S. and Canada. Canada fully funded the $6.4 billion project, but Trump requested the postponant to resolve outstanding trade. issues. The Trump administration demands that the U.S. get a share of the bridge's future tolls. So he's literally a bridge troll and to threaten to delay the opening unless it secure specific concessions about cross-border trade. Okay. Now this is the first I've heard of it, which tells you

how well covered it is because I read every single single thing, every single day. That is absurd. you know, the United States should have the closest relations possible with Canada, even more so than it does with Great Britain or France. I mean, it's our closest friend and ally, and temperamentally and culturally, they're the closest to us. I mean, they fought side by side with us in every war. I mean, I'm ashamed of how the United States under Trump is treated in Canada. So, yeah, I mean, that's my thought. I mean, I'm ashamed of a lot of things. Look, I am of mind that the world needs to have a come to Jesus moment. And from my point of view, Trump behaving this way, it's the fastest way to get to it. Like, because look, like, what Canada should do is tell the U.S. to F off. What many of these countries should have done was to tell the U.S. to F off and to join together recognizing that America has gone rogue, meaning this is about power. And this is about gratuitous displays of power. And whereas there was a velvet glove that was always part of, let's say, Obama or by North Clinton, even George Bush, kind of to some degree.

In contrast, that velvet glove is off. America is insecure. Oh, we need. It's like, I'm going to assert myself by beating my wife. It becomes that, right? It's like, my boss said bad things to me and I need to show that I'm a man by beating the hell out of my wife. It becomes that. Hence, Canada, hence Cuba, hence Venezuela, hence Iran.

And obviously, I'm not saying this, that's not strategic thinking behind it because it is an insecure empire. It is a hedge of mind that is trying to reassert its role and power in the world in the face of all of these other actors. But it's doing so by beating the shit out of Europe and Canada. It's just wild to me. Yeah, it's fucked up. Yeah. This does tie into this other story that we had about Canada. We don't need to spend a lot of time on it.

and we don't have a lot of time to spend on it. But a few, fairly recently, Canada passed a law called the Lost Canadian Law. And basically, they liberalized the proof that's required to prove that you have ancestral ties to Canada. So, like, if you have a grandparent who is Canadian, you can now apply for Canadian citizenship. A bunch of Americans have done that. The 12,000 of them recently got letters from the Canadian government saying, even though you've already received your Canadian citizenship certificate, we need you to send it back because we're reviewing that.

I've got to think it has to do with the tensions between the U.S. and, I mean, between Trump and the Canadians, that they're like, you know, this is a way to fuck with the United States. I don't really know that the United States is going to care, that people aren't going to have U.S. dual Canadian nationality. But it's, I mean, obviously it's upsetting for people who are hoping you get their Canadian citizenship so they could leave and move to Canada. If, I don't think the U.S. cares about its own people, let alone, is going to care about this. If I'm not mistaken, we don't acknowledge dual citizenship. Correct me from wrong. No, we do. We do.

In the 1980s, the State Department issued a memorandum. So it's not like it doesn't have the force of law, but it's a policy statement that says that the United States, It does, so it used to be that when you became a U.S. citizenship, citizen, you had to renounce your citizenship overseas. No longer. So now if you're naturalized, you can be, I'm a dual national. I have French citizenship. So through my mom.

So until I was 18, I just was an American citizen, and then I went and declared my French citizenship. It did not affect my standing whatsoever. It, the only, there's really very few impacts. It doesn't really affect you. Except that, like, let's say, Canada, I mean, France could draft me, for example. But otherwise, it doesn't. Really?

Macron could call you up. God help them. God help them if Macron wants me. If it's come down to my 62-year-old ass, they're fucked. It means the-Uraine has been using 60-year-olds. You know what? Every time I hear that, I think to myself, I couldn't imagine my old ass being out on a battlefield, dodging bullets and shit.

I mean, I have been at a battlefield dodging bullets, but not with a gun, just covering the war in Afghanistan. It's like, Jesus. I mean, although they say temperamentally, like 40-year-olds make the perfect soldiers, I mean, they're still physically strong, but they're like mentally centered and calm. Yeah. I could see that if they're healthy. I could see that. Yeah. If you said, thanks for the dollar.

We're going to race through these paid comments. Did you see Don Jr. with the nose candy at Idiocracy, 250 UFC? I did not. What's that with the nose candy? I wouldn't be shocked. If you sell, you ready for the White House trailer park house, Fourth of July party? Oh, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'll be there with bells on. Thanks so much for the $20 from Crown Heights Brainiac. Don't give me money. Stop future taxation pertinent to reparations. F you so, thanks for the dollar, because of the velocity of money, reparations should be land home, not cash. Don't want the corporate state to end up with any of the money. There's something to be said for that.

You know, if the 40 acres and a mule had come through, it might be a very different country. Phileas Fav, thanks for the dollar, MMT, again, print money and distribute new dollars to reduce economic inequality. It's just a redistribution of fractions of the spending power of the total of currency. You're making my brain hurt. o'clock in the morning. Yeah. I need to repeat that one.

Okay, here we go. No one is that. Go ahead. Remember there was an MMT question from Phileas yesterday. Print money and redistribute new dollars. In other words, I guess a new,

different kind of dollar. To reduce economic inequality, it's just a redistribution of fractions of the spending power of the total of currency. So it's kind of like maybe creating like Bitcoin or something from thin air.

Yeah, but it's going to devalue the currency. It's going to cut the value of the money that is being distributed to the people who are getting it for reparations. If that makes sense, it's not money. Yeah, for sure. It would do that. Nothing comes for free, right?

As we learn from physics, nothing is create, except when the Big Bang happens. There's nothing comes from nothing. There's only one magic act and everything else. We have to go to Team Robbie and God. That's the only time we have to go there. There's no good explanation for where all that shit came from. Okay.

We should very quickly just take note of the fact that the G7 seems to be on board with the current Trump policies. They issued a brief statement calling for pledging to help out with reconstruction in Gaza, that's a change. And they're demanding that the Israelis stand down in Lebanon. So there's a lot of pressure on the Israelis. It's not just from Trump. Okay. I know. Hey, I don't believe to them. You're laughing. Those states are playing to their population that also hates Israel. That's true. I mean, when those guys are making state, it's kind of like Erdogan. Erdogan would be like, Nanyahu's Hitler, and then we would work with that same government. to take down the Syrian government.

It's like, okay, dude. It's like you're protesting too loudly right now. No, I hear that, totally. All right, well, so that's that. We're going to leave it there. I hope you're right. God, man, Ted, you have no idea how much I hope you're right. Oh, I know.

I believe you. Yeah, I hope you're right. We'll be back in two hours for 12 noon Eastern time for the Q&A show, because it is Wednesday. We do it Monday and Wednesday. We'll be back for the regular show tomorrow, Thursday morning. TMI coming up right now with Manila, Stay tuned. JT. Robbie, see you in two hours. I hope everybody else joins us. See you later. Bye.

Have it going, guys.