DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - China Won the Iran War | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. Today we discuss:• China, long highly vulnerable to oil supply shocks, has transformed that weakness into a source of geopolitical power, by stockpiling huge amounts of oil, building extra oil refining capacity and investing in coal and other alternatives. And it flexed that power by cutting off supplies of jet fuel, gasoline and diesel to neighboring countries. Already dominant in solar panels, batteries and electric vehicles, China now has an unparalleled position across the energy landscape.• Under pressure, the Democratic Senate nominee in Michigan, Abdul El-Sayed, rejected Hasan Piker’s argument that the U.S. has caused more terror than Al Qaeda. Can he/should he be cowed by the corporatists?• Washington and Florida insiders – from billionaire Trump allies and Rubio-linked lobbyists to Cuban exiles – are jockeying for control of the communist-ruled island-nation’s assets, charging to help clients navigate sanctions, and positioning themselves to loot Cuba in case of regime collapse.MERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

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That's just free forum. We talk about anything and everything that you want to talk about. So give us your questions and comments, et cetera, et cetera. What else? Okay. Oh, and DMZ America podcast, we'll be talking about. We didn't really know what to talk about today. So we're going to be talking about my column,

which is about whether we are ever going to be able to move past Donald Trump as a country. That's at 11 a.m. Eastern time on YouTube. Interesting. You're welcome to join JT. And this is at 11 o'clock? 11 a.m., yeah. You want to come? Maybe.

All right, let me know. All right, you have time. I blew it too. But I blew my pastor this morning. You did what? I blot my pastor this morning. Oh, no. What did you do?

What do you mean you blew off your terrorist? What are you doing? No, well, because he's your typical evangelical Republican, right? And so we were talking about how the capital system just raises all boats. And this happened about not all. Not the guys who were sleeping outside. Right. Well, what I did is, I did a comparison between 1935 and 2006, like the height of the Great Depression,

comparing the purchasing power relative to actual purchasing and savings versus the Great Depression to now. Well, they had a lot of, they had a lot of purchasing power. of deflation, right? So everything was dirt cheap. If you had money, man, those were the days, but nobody had money. But when I did those, I compared it with the cost of living things that you actually needed between now and then. And the dollar actually goes about 60 cents less today than it did in the height of the Great Depression, especially once you factor in the lack of savings and savings accounts and how that pushes people into debt, like credit cards for. We had savings in the Great Depression either. That was part of the problem. I understand, but I mean,

but the point I'm trying to make is, is that it, and everything is, I use credit Susie and a lot of different sources, just completely just blew up the argument he was making. It was awesome. We're going to have to, we're going to have to, we're going to have to talk about the economy later or not at all or whatever at another time, but we have a lot. I cares about it. The economy? Now, people, people care about the economy. No, they did. Ted is fine. The Wednesday after the midterms, I think we're going to all see how much people cared about the economy. Yes.

Okay. So here's what we've got today. The economy is fine. Never better. Yeah. Okay. So in no particular, well, there's order. So China appears to have been, be the big winner so far in the Iran War. Basically, they have a command and control economy that allows them to plan ahead for things. in a big way. And they have huge stockpiles of oil. And basically, they have unparalleled positioning

across all energy sectors. We can talk about that. Abdul al-Sayed is being pressured to what appears to be starting to throw Hassan Piker under the bus. It doesn't mean much by itself, but it's symbolic of like the push and pull between the corporate and the non-corporate Democrats. So I want to talk about that. Also, we've got Cuba. We saw, I mean, we talked about this before and we'll talk about it again, but, you know, Venezuela is already being looted and now the Trumpies are out to loot the shit out of Cuba. So we'll talk about that. Before we do that, I just wanted to get your quick thoughts on the fact that Donald Trump, in all seriousness, seems to be intent on demolishing the Kennedy Center.

And, you know, for people who haven't been to the Kennedy Center, and I'm one of them, I'm just, the thing is, every time you drive into Washington across that key bridge from Virginia, you see the Kennedy Center right there. It's like, it's a big part of, you know, for what Washington has that passes for a skyline. And it's, I mean, it's just dramatic. It would be, I got to say, I think it would be perhaps like the last,

This, think about, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. I think if he demolished the Kennedy Center, it could kind of be the beginning of the end for Donald Trump in the same way that with the Taliban 1.0, blowing up the Bamian statues, the giant Buddhas at Mamian, turned out to be the beginning of the end for them in that the whole world was kind of like, okay, we're done with you now. Like, we hate you. Like, these things were here a thousand years through, like, thick and thin and through constant battles. And even the Mongols didn't do anything to them. And now you're blowing that up. We hate you. And then, like, you know, it was easier to put a coalition together to destroy them after 9-11, in part because of that.

I mean, I think it's like, even though it's just a building and who fucking cares, it's like, I think it would be symbolically for the ruling classes and the elites. it would be just a bridge too far in a way that all the much more serious shit that Trump has done has not resonated for them. It's just the body, Ted. Right, right. Nothing in happening to body. It's just a big white building from the 60s. It's just a building.

But it would probably mean a lot somehow. It would mean a lot. I think it would mean a lot to a lot of people. I do think that I don't know if it's going to have the resonance that I think you may think it has in the context of, because, I mean, come on, those statutes have been around for like a thousand years. The Kennedy Center, less so, right? Of course, you know, we don't have that kind of history. We don't have that history like that. 60 years is a long time for the U.S., you know. It is. And it's what, like a fifth, six of the country's history as I'm like that.

I don't want to do math on air. I just think it just seems so gratuitous. I mean, it was doing perfectly fine until he came along. And then he destroyed it. Name Kennedy on it. That's, there's a meaning you're doing this for obvious reasons. Right. This is not arbitrary. You're doing this because it's a Democratic president that was successful, what the very least was considered successful. This was Camelot. And he's also simultaneously putting up these stupid ballrooms that are illegal, this reflective pool, this art to triumph and all of this other nonsense that nobody asks for. No, I agree with you. And the Bordello Oval Office.

Pretty much. But everyone thinks that, like, I think people think, like, okay, the Oval Office, it has been redecorated in the past and it can be redecorated in the future. This is not that. They're ripping down parts of the White House to build a ballroom that nobody asks for. Right. The ballroom, I think, you know, it's the prequel. It's like, well. Well, it's illegal.

But I think in a weird way, I think this is all about psychology. Psychological, I mean, of course, you know, Trump doesn't own the White House. He's not even renting it. But he's basically a, you know, he's like squatter. He has as many rights to do what he wants in the White House as a homeless person who's admitted to a shelter to spend the night until six in the morning. Yes. But he's like, but I think psychologically people are like, well, he lives there. And like, okay, I mean, previous presidents have done renovations.

I mean, JFK put in a swimming pool in the basement. You know, Reagan put in a movie theater. I think it was Reagan. You know, it's just these things have happened before. And for really old people, they remember Truman doing a total gut renovation of the White House. So, but I think the Kennedy Center is kind of like, no, you have nothing to do with this at all. White House. This is like across town.

This isn't you. It's something that has, you're not, you're not a high culture. kind of guy. This has nothing to do with you. So I think just the psychological, it would feel more like an assault and an invasion than what he did to the East Wing. I mean, to me, the East Wing, I don't care about. To me, it's the Rose Garden. That's a desecration to destroy Jackie Kennedy's Rose Garden. But, you know, because that just seems like it's such a beautiful thing. I mean, why would you get rid of that? The name Kennedy is at the end of it also. Right. Plus it's Jackie Kennedy.

Kennedy who, you know. I don't think it's arbitrary. Yeah. I don't think it's arbitrary. I think the name Kennedy is the issue. Yeah. No, for sure, for sure. I mean, he wants to take a big whiz on the Kennedy legacy.

He's jealous of that legacy. Like, well, hey, if he moved his head a little bit to one side in Butler, he might have had that same legacy. And RFK has nothing to say about this. No. Although he's been disowned by his entire family. But yeah. True. But still a Kennedy.

True. I don't know. There's something inherently wrong with it. I agree with you. One man shouldn't even be able to do it. I don't even know why the president has the power to do it. Well, I mean, this is the, this is the tech bro, move fast and break things approach, right? It's sort of like, it's like the AI companies.

We're going to engage in the wholesale intellectual theft of copyrighted intellectual property. you know, every painting, song, news article, editorial cartoon, comic strip, video, radio show, everything that has ever been on the internet. We're going to scrape it all without permission. And then if people sue, oh, I guess we can, you know, we'll pay them off to go away for pennies on the dollar, and we'll still be worth many billions of dollars more than that. And it'll be fine.

And that's like, basically it's like the facts on the ground. I mean, I know this drives you crazy, right? And it drives me crazy, too. It's like, it's sort of like you can basically fuck things up. There's no accountability. But then it's like, well, what are you going to do? It's fucked up now. Now we have, there's no, the East Wing's gone.

I'm like, well, you could rebuild it exactly the way it was. You could tear down the ballroom and down to the bottom. You could, roses can be replanted. I mean, you know, you can do all that stuff. He's just not going to. I would do it. I would do it. The day that Trump leaves, I would do it all.

That's my column this week. Yeah. I'm saying everything should be reversed. Everything. Yeah, all of it, including policy. All of it. Like Joe Biden should have went back to the JCPOA. Nicholas Maduro should be released from prison, flown back to Caracas, and put back into

the presidential palace. But, you know, we benefit from the tech companies doing that, though, right? I mean, and maybe this is my software engineer stepping out for a moment. we benefit from that. Like the fact that they've been able to put everything online. Like I want to be able to search any random book that may be out that has been going on for a thousand years that I may not even know exists. Well, that you can't because it's not copyrighted. True.

But even with copyrighted stuff, this idea of putting things behind paywalls. I get why they do it. Yeah, and people do want to access all this. I mean, of course, it's incredibly exciting to be to have this. digital repository where you could access everything. I mean, who wouldn't want that? Yes. And I guess if we lived under a communist government where authors and musicians and artists were hired by the state, you know, it wouldn't be a problem because they wouldn't starve to death. I don't want that either. I don't want them being hired by the state.

But the point is, well, they have to earn a living somehow, right, if you're going to have them. Well, I guess, and maybe that they realize the problem with the form of government. I mean, I mean, I am a firm believer that who pays you is on some level indicative of what you do. True. And if that's the state, then you have every interest. Because I don't believe for this moment that the state is always going to be a neutral arbiter. In my point of view, the state's hard priorities. Yeah, the state always has priorities in regards to what it wants to accomplish.

And everything conforms to the priorities that the state wants to accomplish. And if I'm hiring music acts, then the only thing that stops me for putting pressure on those musical acts is morality. ethics and how long does that last a few years after the general after the revolution that's right that's right it won't be intact like meaning whatever there is there has be some kind of way of having these things to be on some level separate from the state um but the same token well i don't know how to do it be accessible i mean i don't know how you make like mike let's say you want let's say people want me to draw a cartoon um okay and i draw that cartoon and i would love it for everybody to be able to see it, not have to pay a penny to a newspaper or a magazine or a website

to see it. I would love that. I want everybody to see the cartoon. I'm an artist. That's what I want. And like, but who's going to pay me for it, right? Like putting it behind a pay wall is what, you know, allows me to sometimes pay some of my bills. So, no, I do get it. I do get the contradiction. Oh, I know. I'm not saying that my point of view is, um, fits in a, in a world. I don't know the answer because what you're saying is 100% correct. Like if the state employs you, then the state's going to censor you. Yeah, probably. They're going to want Ted Raw to produce things showing how awesome the state is.

Of course. He said that. Chad Roth is not going to want to do that, especially if he doesn't believe the state is like that. That's great. You're going to change at the leash. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know they answer for it. By the way, we also talk about bone crushing sanctions from hell, ironically,

cleaning. As far as the AI thing goes, I think that's probably the fairest way to do it, because everyone that's online, if you have a smartphone, you are training AI as part of the terms of conditions of the apps. If you have a Gmail account, Google uses every email that you send to help train Gemini. It's in the terms of conditions. Which everybody reads carefully. Of course.

So I think that the best way, the fairest way to do this is, at the is come tax time. They figure out how much, how much of your material was used for training these AIs, whether Claude, no, Chad GPD, Jim, and I, whatever. And that'd be applied as a credit towards your tax bill. How would they do that, Robbie? So they know everything anyway.

They'd do that. They know everything. An algorithm could figure that out. Of course. I mean, they have all that information. Well, they have AI. They could have AI. They know how many emails is that you've seen.

How many emails it is that you read? How many hours a year that you've watched on YouTube or Rumble? They have all this information. And the reason I point that reason I bring this up and Rumbles will actually expose this, as plain as the nose on our faces, is that they plainly said, and Google is the same thing with Gemini, that they are using live streams and digital content in addition to books and emails and music to train their AI algorithms.

So they know who you are. You're like right now, we're training. Gemini AI. Right now. Everybody gets a kickback from tech companies in the form of their taxes. Correct. It doesn't have to be on their taxes. It could be a dividend. What about people who don't have income? Well, then you'd be paying an income tax. So instead, so let's not do that. Let's just, that just goes against your tax burden. But I'm saying, what if you don't have a tax burden? What if you have zero income? Well, then you're not shutting AI. You'll get anything. In fact, you're not going to have any income because wait for it. AI.

That means that everybody who's on Twitter, who's on social media at all, which is like 99.9% of the population will get a dividend check from the state. By the way, I'm not necessarily against that. I'm not the first way to do it, honestly, because they know how many, they know how many hours is it wrong. Like, for example, I've switched over to YouTube because Rumble has screwed me. And for those of you have been supporting the YouTube channel, thank you. I cannot do this without you. I can go in and I can check, J.C., you can't do it with your own channel. Like you can go into your advanced metrics and you can get information for up to them two days for every, every like, every hour, where it came from everything down to.

I think you're already paid by either Rumble or YouTube or the social media companies. We're talking about people who are not like doing channels. I mean, it sounds like it means. But you're trading it. Goes on the Twitter, then she should get a dividend check because she was watching Twitter. Meaning the more that you watch and engage in social media, the more money you get paid for doing track. Because you're training the model. I'm building an A.M.A.M. right now.

It takes a crap time. It's a pain in the butt. And the point I'm trying to make is that if you are, if you are quote, unquote, working to train these things, you should be compensated for that time. But you are because it's a way. You're compensated by using the application. They're not charging. You could be used Twitter. You could put a blue checkmark, but you're not being charged for it. Then I charge you to you to.

But you're the merchandise for it. You're who for it? You're the merchandise. Yes, but you're also using a product. Meaning this sounds like Donald Trump, when Donald Trump is making the argument about tariffs, or trade imbalances. And he's like, yeah, if I buy $2 billion of bananas, then I'm losing $2 billion. And so, you know, hashtag trade imbalance. It's like, dude, but you're getting the bananas.

Right. The money is not going up in smoke. you're getting something in exchange for the thing to which you are trading your money for, that is bananas. If you choose to eat the bananas, but Ted's going to bananas, he's not being compensated for the bananas that he's growing. But Ted is buying the bananas by using the application, meaning they could, the tech, God, man, I don't want to make this argument for tech companies. The tech companies could credibly say, well, dude, you're using the application for free. That is what you're being compensated.

Meaning, if you are ever getting anything for free, you're usually the product. Same thing is true. You don't have to use the product. You use it. You choose to use it. Of course. And I mean, listen, I get what you're just saying. But if you live in at least a somewhat functional state and what I mean by that, like not South Sudan,

you are connected to the internet in some way, shape, or form. And then that data is in being used to train an AI that is going to replace your job. Guys, all right, we can do this or whatever we want, like in the Q&A, but we've got other stuff to talk about. Okay, I think we've all heard each other here. My only piece I want to add to this is I think someone who, like, writes an article, for example, probably deserves a bigger share of that pie than someone who's just like doom scrolling. And just, and reading the article should, you know, who's spending the same amount of time on the internet. But all right.

I'm like the channel. I agree. Yeah, that's very self-interested of us, but yeah. Okay, Jamaral, what should we talk about? Should we talk about Sayy? Bone crushing sanctions from hell. All right, let's hear. Even if this for just a couple of minutes.

All right, let's talk about it. I don't know if you saw the comment that came out of Congress, where they basically made the point of saying, now Vladimir Putin. And then he explicitly pointed out Modi and China. Basically, you're on record. Modi and China or Modi and Zizig Pig

for helping this brutal war by you by the Vladimir Putin and I thought to myself gas is sitting at $4.20 with Diesel at $6.20 and these guys are now trying to pick a fight an economic fight with India and China.

They are delusional if they think that this is going to have the effects that they think this is going to backfire. Donald Trump is already running Operation Outcasts or Scott Benson against countries that are working with Iran, which also include India and China, meaning you've given the president power to do something that the president was already doing for other reasons, which should tell you something about the effectiveness of what you're doing. It's delusional, and it's going to backfire. Give me your thoughts. Yeah, well, no, I mean, look, it's relevant to the story that we're about to talk about China being basically impervious to energy shocks.

You know, imagine that. A big, wealthy country sees a big systemic problem that they have. In their case, we don't really produce energy in significant amounts, but we consume a lot of it. And, you know, what if we built infrastructure and created supply lines that solved that problem so that we were prepared in the event that anyone tried to leverage that problem against us in the future? And then they did it. As Americans, we don't have to be able to. understand how a country can work that well. Just there to be for a second. They did it because the U.S. was going after energy, meaning they did that because they saw what the United States was trying to create choke points. It was U.S. policy to try to create choke points that will after Chinese energy, hence Iran, hence Russia, hence Venezuela, et cetera. And China built capacity that's like three times our strategic petroleum reserve.

It is astonishing amount of energy. It is. And obviously they have a much bigger population. And much more industrial infrastructure, too. I mean, it's a, so, yeah, I mean, look, it's so ironic that this bill was named after Lindsey Graham, because like Graham, okay, this policy is dead on arrival. Like, you're, you are literally going after Iran, who basically they hold all the cards, as a certain orange man likes to say. And Russia, who holds most. of the guards and it's like you know you've you've already lost this it's kind of like look the

sanctions are what made Russia what it is today you know that isolation and you know strength strengthens the victims I mean sure there's exceptions I mean you know Venezuela and Cuba and other countries that have been victimized by sanctions have been hobbled economically and otherwise but when it's a big country with a lot of natural resources. Iran and Russia are both like that, with good geopolitical positioning and, you know, a big, sizable workforce. With good proper planning and proper alliances, they can work around it and emerge even stronger. That's what happened here. What bone-crushing sanctions are you going to impose? I mean, what's a bigger sanction than you blow up school girls? I mean,

Yeah. That's a sanction. Okay. You blow up, you know, you blow up oil infrastructure. You blow up people. You kill their generals. That's a sanction. I don't think you have a lot more arrows in your quiver. And the same thing is true with Russia. Like, what are you going to do to Russia? You shut down their media outlets overseas. You froze, you kicked them out of the swift, you know, banking system. You, you know, you kick them out of Europe. basically, you blew up their transnational oil pipeline and created an environmental catastrophe. What more do you have? Right? Like, oh, you're going to threaten me now? It's like, it's like the, it's just, it's absurd and, you know, obviously counterproductive. It's posturing, right? And posturing, that is impotent on its face. Like, for one, this is an existential war from the Russian standpoint. This is an existential war from the Iranian standpoint. standpoint. In existential wars, the countries are going to care less about these other things because their existence is at stake, or at the very least, the integrity of the state is at the state.

You could do this. And the wild part about this, too, is this. By the way, the sanctions also applied to Iran, meaning they extended the sanctions that were on Iran. We initiated a criminal war. They're acting as if Iran somehow did this. It was just a wild part to me. And they do the same thing with Ukraine, right? They ignore the fact that the government of Ukraine was overthrown and any notion of sovereignty still exists. And just to piggyback on this, this idea that Zelensky comes out and says,

well, it is impossible to have elections in the middle of a war. And, hey, we had, you know, 10 million people that are abroad. How on earth are those people ever going to be able to vote? And I thought of Ted Raw. I said, Ted Rawl is a French citizen. Ted Raul can vote in French elections if he needs to. to and France, just like every other country, has a means of getting them a ballot. Like, like, all of this stuff isn't related.

On my phone. I can vote on my phone. I have a question for the two of you, because you're all talking about these bones, these bone crushing sanctions. Well, I was saying that is because, I mean, the Houthis are, are imposing a sanction on the West right now by closing by Blah Mendeb. Yes, they are. Iran has imposed sanctions on the West by closing Hormuz. Those are called African. Those are called ass-kicking.

So then. Right, those are different sections, right? Those are ass-win. We will blow the shit out of ships. So then if the Congress is dumb enough to do this, and if Trump is dumb enough to sign it, well, he is. Then couldn't the Russians at that point just say,

well, fine, I'm going to sell any more diesel at all to the west, at all. Yes. Sure. I mean, wouldn't that just blow? I mean, the United States running out of money oil was not. Because it would be, you see, I know you guys have read the, you know, basically how the oil prices have been suppressed, you know, I mean, they've gone up, but not as much as they should have.

And all, you know, now the West is out of cards. And I mean, you know, literally diesel prices are going up like 10 cents a day now. Yeah. So. And there's a refinery in the Midwest that apparently went down that had millions of, or thousands of homes a day. Did you all see the link that I sent y'all last, yesterday by that truck driver? he spent over a thousand dollars in diesel he's done he wasn't able to fuck his tank because his entire check would have went into his fuel before anything else yeah think about that and now and so if so if we're dumb enough to do this and if the russians to say okay fine then screw you

we're going to adopt the the huthy sanctions we're going to cut you off what what then What happens now? Well, I mean, the Russians, I think the deal is right now, this war with Ukraine is no longer existential. I mean, as far as Putin is concerned, it's managed. It's a problem that is manageable. It's like, you know, it's like finding out you have a wasp's nest under your deck of your house, and you like use the back door instead for the time being. Like, you're okay.

You know, you still got to take care of it. But it's not like, it's not like keeping you up at night. And I think that's, you know, Ukraine's not keeping Putin up at night anymore. But I mean, it needs to be taken care of. But I mean, the thing is, if I think if it got to the point where it felt existential, then maybe he would do that. But obviously, Russia wants the revenues. They want the oil. They want the, and that's what it really boils down to.

So it's kind of like they have to adjudic, they have to sort of assess what's more, what's the bigger priority? for us hurting the West or getting that money. And of course, the irony is that as time passes, as the prices go up, it's going to be higher revenues for Russia, which, you know, it's money. Every country can use money. I mean, you can do both. I mean, the Russians could still sell their oil to India, which you're already doing. They can continue selling to China, which you're already doing.

They sell to Japan. It's at a discounted price, though. Well, don't discount it anymore. I mean, seriously, if it's a supply and demand thing, if you have the supply and if there's a demand, And then you have some banker in Brussels and we have decided, Mr. Putin, you cannot sell anything more above this price. Well, you can tell that guy in Brussels to go eat a dick because you have the commodity. This isn't about Brussels. Which he did.

This is about the Chinese. Yeah. Well, from the Chinese and India standpoint, where else are they going to get their oil from? Exactly. I mean, like, it's the oil in China has gone up in price, meaning the costs that the Chinese or the Malaysians or the Indonesians. The Russia's relationship with those countries is very important. to them. So they're not going to fuck with that. I accept that Russia's relationship is important to them, but those countries are also buying Russian oil at a discount, which is a disadvantage to Russia.

If the oil is being sold on the market, they will get it at a different price. That goes both ways, meaning to say the relationship is important. It's important to India. It does go both ways. Both needs a product. Yeah, I mean, I think they're going to negotiate. I would imagine that probably there are going to be talks and say, like, listen, can you pay a little more? you know. You can afford it and we need it. It's not just anymore can you. It's a matter of you're going to.

Right. Right. Because at this point the price has floated upward. Like, meaning it's not like the Russians are, if oil is at a $100 a barrel. And India is like, yeah, but we want it from you for 60. Which is what they've been getting. Go somewhere else to get it. Where else are you going to get it from?

Nowhere we're going to get it. Right. You're not going to get it straight. Yeah. You know, this is going to be. There's going to be. lot of give and take here. Yes.

So, all right. Well, let's talk about China, right? So basically, China converted their vulnerability into an asset, right? They stockpiled massive amounts of reserves. They've built increased refining capacity. They worked hard on alternatives like coal solar batteries, EVs. they've been, you know, more judicious about which countries they export oil fuel to. So their friends are getting it.

Their frenemies, not so much. And so it's a, you know, it's a big, it's a big deal. They've, so now basically, I mean, what's so funny is the way that this is being presented in the Western press is somehow like it's couched as a threat to the West. But what's really, but when you read it, what's really going on is merely that China has taken steps to reduce the real threat, which was to them from the West. All they've done is insulated themselves to, you know, against having, being the victim of a fuel boycott. And they're saying, you know, we're prepared now. We, you know, in case they want to cut the West tries to blockade us, they can't. Or at least they can, but it's going to take a lot more effort and a lot more time.

I just think it's so fascinating. Like, if another country simply defends themselves, they're not doing anything to our energy infrastructure at all, right? All they're doing is defending themselves from a possible threat, imminent threat from us. We view that defense as a threat. That's how we frame it. Yes, but they always frame it that way. Like, I give you another example.

So you get the United States acknowledging, we have satellites in space, that can destroy other satellites. Basically, we have weapons in space. And then China puts up a satellite. And the way the telegraph reports it is, Chinese dog-fighting satellites sparks arms race in space. And it's like, wait a minute. You've started the arms race.

I never acknowledge that they got weapons in space. The U.S. literally came out. Instead, he got weapons in space. And your response to this is Chinese dog-fighting satellites. That's great. They always present the stuff as if it's threats, despite the fact that we're the ones that are doing the threats. China may have like one military base or something like that,

and they're like, this Chinese base is an arm. It's analogous to the rhetoric about like, oh, you know, the U.S. Soviet, you know, Iranian-backed militias blow up U.S. troops with IEDs in Iraq. Right. I mean, it makes it sound like these U.S. troops are walking around at Fort Hood in Texas, and then they get blown up by dastardly Iranians. They frame it all. they always frame it that way. It doesn't matter what it is. As you pointed out, this was U.S.

policy written in manuals to go after choke points as a way of stopping China, meaning how do we keep this horse into the barn? Oh, I know, it needs energy. Let's break its capability of getting energy by creating choke points. China doesn't necessarily have a military that projects power around the world. So we do. So let's use that power projection to make it difficult for them to get energy. And if you look at it, it's not that I think Donald Trump reads manuals or anything like that, but his policy still flow that way. We're going to go after Venezuela. So we're going to chop off that oil from them. Who cares about the contracts? We're going to go after Venezuela and we're going to steal the oil. We're going to go after Cuba. We're going to go after Russia. We're going to go after

Iran. And specifically, what were the sanctions on Russia for? To go after the energy sector, to make it difficult for Russia to give energy around the world, which by definition means that the U.S. energy sector becomes that much more viable. Meaning, you've taken a competitor off the map under this model of, well, these are just sanctions because we're going after Russia, while simultaneously filling your own coffers in regards to the money that you're making up the same product being sold. This stuff had nothing to do with wars and stuff like this. This stuff had everything to do with this kind of mob mentality of, I got cocaine, my cocaine is better, and I need to sell my cocaine. So I'm going to go after the other person who's selling cocaine. And this cocaine means oil.

No, it's wild. They frame it always as a threat, despite the fact that we're the ones that are taking the policies that are threatening. It's like the Israelis. It's like, we're the threat. Right, we're the threat. And everybody else is responding to that threat. Yeah, yeah. Which we in our blind media says is a threat.

Like, the level of projection is breathtaking. Annie Anna wants to know when the world is coming to an end. Well, we'll let you know here on the program. so I can stop making auto payments use it to go on vacation. Yeah, it would be very liberated to know that. Okay, so let's see. Macadden, thanks for the dollar. Henceforth, all toilets and federal buildings shall be known as Don's.

Don's. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Canada, I forget, I don't know where it is, but one of the provincial Canadian governments renamed a toilet at a rest area after Donald Trump with a plaque. They should name all of them dons. I like that. I've got to use the dawn. Yeah, I got to use the don't.

Yeah. Every toilet and Canada will be named after Donald Trump, the dawn. Trump could do it. The Donald. Trump could rename Blank Ontario. And Amandarake, the global south is a scam. They give nothing to Russia while expecting Russia. to sell them cheap resources.

No, I don't think so. I don't think it works that way. It's not a scam. Why does the United States give money across the globe? Do you think we do it for our own benefit? No. Just because we're just kind people? Yeah, we're renting influence.

Like even USA, even these other, I forget the other one, defense of democracy or whatever the hell the thing is called. All of these things are being done. When Donald Trump first got in office, And if you remember, he pulled the chain for all of those USA things and all the Democrats scream and cry bloody murder. And what you found was that 90% of the media organizations, like 80% were being funded by the United States.

That money is not there just for shits and giggles. That money is there for control and clout. And I would put to you that Russia, or for that matter, China doing a charm offensive by giving away COVID vaccines, by giving away, you know, helping with bridges and loans and everything else. Same thing. It's about clout. It's the civilization model.

you're renting a city state yes you can say that I think they would I think they would beef in that but yes yeah they're vassals yeah I don't want to call them although no vassal states pay tribute

that's not the same thing I will give you the sweet sweet money then you let me get your resources I can use your territory maybe you can help me with some scraps maybe I can have a military base somewhere nearby or if not then you can use your military as my proxy

you know we can do all kinds of things Look at you, Houthis. Love your chihuahuas. My mom had these friends who had two chihuahuas, and I used to hate visiting their house just because of when you first got there. The noise, the incessant noise when you knocked at the door. Holy shit. It's like so weird.

It's the worst thing in the world, the sound of those dogs. Pitsu was a, what is it? What is the word? Pitsu, pits, pit, pit, what does this stand for? It's a pit bull, chihuahua mix. Oh, is it? It's not a Shih Tzu. No, I'm sorry, Pits, Pits, he was a pit bull shitsu mix. Yeah, that makes sense.

No, it doesn't, because the pit bull and a shih Tzu, like, I don't even know how that worked. You don't want to see that. Man was a pit bull. But he was kind of like that. To get back to the bestiality discussion, yeah. Okay, so do we do let we can maybe oh, there's some few more comments here Or one more Andre 420 America I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Iranians L.O.L. Yeah, I wonder how many like I mean, you know, I know the Scooby-Doo reference. I wonder if

20-year-olds know the Scooby-Doo reference. I guess they do because of the Internet, right? But they may have never actually seen the show. It's a meme. It's always a meme, but It's weird. It's like all the, it's all the Gen Z kids you see wearing Nirvana shirts. I'm like, have you ever heard Nirvana? Or do you just like the shirt? Yeah. But my son. A copy of a copy.

I'm sorry, but my son had no idea who Bugs Bunny was. Really? Or leghorn foghorn. Is it like that this is what's wrong? Like on, like on T-shirts or whatever? Yeah. But he's never watching the cartoons. It's like, you are missing out.

on prime Americana, just good old offensive American cartoons that were great. Well, they weren't offensive, but I mean, I... Oh, no. Spitting Gonzalez was racist. That's not what we get canceled today. That's true. Foghorn would get blast. That's humor.

No, talk about deport that heifer. Like, you rid of that rooster, jettison from the planet. Yeah. Tom and Jerry were very violent. I mean, I guess the thing, here's the thing, right? culturally, that's a new thing, right? Like when in previous generations, young people learned about stuff that existed before.

Like, I remember my father telling me about Benny Goodman, let's say, or Benny Hill or anything like that. But you'd be completely brought up to speed. Like, I remember my dad sitting me down to watch Monty Python in the Holy Grail, and he's like, all right, you're not going to understand this the first time you watch it. But English humor is different. Let me give you a lecture. Now sit down and watch the whole thing, right?

And he was right. I didn't get it the first two or three times. But the point is you got the whole thing. Now people get bits and pieces of shrapnel from the internet, from memes and so on. And they don't, the original source is detached from what the meme has become. They don't know what it's from. You know, they just, the meme is its own thing. I just think it's interesting.

I don't know that it's necessarily bad. But it's odd. It's a, it's a definitely a different way of consuming culture. Could you imagine? That's Ritha Franklin. She don't remember the Queen of Soul like that. And it's like, what? You don't know who Ritha Franklin is?

It becomes that. And even though, yeah. Well, no, but this would be like more like if Aretha Franklin was a meme. And you still didn't. And you're like, oh, yeah, Aritha says, but you never heard respect. Aretha Franklin. Right, ever. It's like I had dream speech from on Luther King.

It's like, have you? is like did you ever really sit down and listen to the entirety of speech i have because yeah me too listening to a bunch of bull and king all this stuff um but how many people have i mean oftentimes they decapitate him from the socialism thing it just make it like he was this woke warrior right when i was in college kids used to say the revolution will not be televised and and then i'd find out like wait you've never heard the song that that comes from right you know gill scott heron it's like the song's great you got to hear the song you got to hear the song Yeah, as well.

And maybe just because there's so much to remember. Like, if you think about it. But there was before, too. That's true also. You're right. I mean, and on the plus side, what's also interesting is, like, people, the flip side is, like, Gen Z, they go back a lot further into pop culture than, like, we did, right? So, like, my kid, he listens to stuff from the 80s. And like voluntarily, downloads it, listens to it himself.

It's not like just when I'm around. He, you know, he listens to a lot of 80s shit and likes it. He listens to 70s shit. Now, for him, that's the same as for, that's 40, 50 year old music, right? Now, in the early 80s when I was in college, I'm not listening to like, you know, stuff from the 30s and 40s. No way. I went back maybe to the 50s and, you know, and worked my way back to like Elvis.

Presley and Chuck Berry and that stuff. And that's about it. Like, I'm not listening to, you know, I'm just not. I mean, I got to that stuff later, but like, you know. I think it's different. I mean, for one, time catches up with itself, meaning history has been cataloged in a way that it wasn't true for us. True.

Although big pieces are missing, too. Like, sometimes people will say, like, oh, like, I'll mention something that happened in the 70s. I looked it up online. I'm like, there was no internet back that. That may not have made it. True, but that means that that stuff is prehistory from the perspective of people who are living now.

Yeah. That sounds weird, but it's kind of true. They cataloged some of everything. So it's easy for your son to go back in a way that it wasn't for us. I would have to go get an album or I would have to hear something like radio. Right. They can just go online and be like, oh, let me pull this. Blunder into an old East station or something.

Yes. Yeah. But I think if these old cartoons make resurgence, it'll be because of the comedy factor. Like, Yosemite Sam was hilarious. Bugs Bunny, hilarious. And laughter is immortal. It never goes away.

Yeah, but comedy is the thing that dates, is the form of entertainment that dates the most quickly. Oh, of course. Like ethnic humor, you know, I mean, most of these ethnic references take out the whole, you know, woke aspect of it. It's like most, like the Brooklyn accent is, except for Bernie Sanders, is pretty much gone even in Brooklyn. You know what I mean? Yeah, like regional accents are in grave danger in the United States. You know, language is being homogenized. People are, you know, everybody's influenced by mass culture, television, internet,

and standard, quote unquote, standardized, you know, English, which kind of sounds more like me, right? Kind of like Ohioan. Yeah, the southern accent's going extinct. It is. Yeah. And that's, I mean, so a lot of these jokes, right? relate to those kind of regional dialects and, you know, like, like, I think jokes about, say, like, I'm good to hit you with my shaleli.

Those are going to fall flat now, right? Nobody's, what the fuck is a shalili? What are you talking about? Nobody knows. You can walk up in the street in Times Square. Ask 100 people, what is a shaleigh? I'd be surprised if, like, five knew the answer. But the Roadrunner and Wally Coyote is always going to be hilarious.

and it's always going to give some Karen a stroke. Oh my God, you see the violence that Coyote just blew himself up. By the way, I want to see the movie. Have you heard about the movie? No, I didn't hear about the movie. There's a new movie out. Speak of where Wiley Coyote files a lawsuit against Acme for, you know, for product liability because everything he hides from them always goes wrong.

But he's trying to murder the guy. He's trying to murder the roadrunner. What right now? Right. That's probably the defense, right? Well, he obviously was not reading the safety labels. I mean, that's right. No, he's improvisers. It's kind of the whole argument, you know, about suing firearm manufacturers.

Yeah, you can't do it. Yeah, because if you use this as designed, it won't just walk into some places just start shooting up random office buildings. But if it happens, that's on the user. I know, but it's a gun. I don't know how you even do that with a gun. Hillary Clinton was trying to do that to try to kill guns in the U.S. But it's like it's a gun. It's designed to kill the entire point of it.

It's to put up. But that's the point that Acme would make. Yes, we sold you this rocket. It's intended to explode. It's not intended necessarily trying to explode a roadrunner. Right. So that would be the argument that they'd be making. Yeah.

It'd be the similar to do that. You know for murder. We have other. uses of that. Exactly. I have to kill the world running. Yeah, he's going to lose that lawsuit. I mean, it's just like, you know, it's just like a Volkswagen.

This vehicle is not designed for some Muslim immigrant to run over festival goers at a Christmas carnival. Yet, here it is. That's not the intention. You can't sue us for this. Or like to premise, it's a Charlotte running over a bunch of people in a crowd, you know, procrastination. No. That's for sure.

I mean, that's not the purpose. It's not a purpose. It's not a excuse fault. That's because Wally Coyote doesn't have to play him properly. He's just stupid. Although, you know, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, there's a story that puts me in mind

that this from the Sam Piper the Valence thing, the Hassan Piper thing. Yeah, let's talk about it. I don't know if you saw the interview with Hassan Piker, Simone Sanders, and I don't know, some guy with a weird Afro. I don't know his name. No, I didn't see it. All right.

So, Hassan Piper, I can put it in, what times? I can put it in the chat if you want. But basically, they're talking to the San Piker about Hamas. and about violence from Hamas. And it's a wild interview. And I guess this leads into the conversation we're going to have about Osamaika anyway, so you might as well get to the conversation.

We can just kind of expand out. Well, so basically, as we know, the right and conservative Democrats, which is our subset of the right, have been giving El-Said a hard time over his friendship as association with Asan Piker, and basically trying to do guilt by association, everything that Piker ever said that might be controversial or offensive.

They're saying, like, you have to condemn what Piker said. I mean, this is an old trick, right? You see it all over and over. And up until now, Cahey's been pretty smart about not wanting to distance and, you know, not fall from the bait. It's a trap. Even if he privately thinks Piker's an asshole, He can't admit that, right?

Like, I would be telling him, don't say that. This is a game. Once you admit it, like, once you say something like that, it never fucking stops. So you just have to, I mean, tell them to fuck off. You know what kind of stupid. These people aren't your friends. They're not your friends, right? These are your enemies, and they're trying to trap you, and they're baiting you.

So you should just not comment or double down, really, Trump style, and be like, man, Hassan Pikers, my bestie. He's going to be hanging out with me every day on Capitol Hill, and we're going to be gay lovers. It's going to be amazing. Like, whatever. But so now the latest is that, and I thought the reason I wanted to talk about this is really because of the content of what Pikes said. Piker said recently that the U.S. had caused more terrorism than al-Qaeda. And I was thinking that is, took one second for me to think about that and we'll say, obviously that's true, right? I mean, Okay, so let's go through it. Al-Qaeda. East Africa embassy bombings, that's like probably about five, six hundred people. Nine-11, that's like three thousand people. The USS Cole, I think, well, I don't know, one or like what, 10? So basically, Al-Qaeda probably in over the course of its entire existence has killed maybe 5,000 people. I'm going to include it. Most of the people it kills are Muslims. True. Five thousand people, though. We'll just say terrorism, right?

And then it's like, okay, but the United States killed a million people in Iraq alone, and I'm not going to go through the rest of it, right? So, of course, two million people in Vietnam. I mean, are you kidding? That's like an easy statement. So, I mean, if I were, I mean, so the thing is I felt like Said was stupid A to fall for the trap and say, well, I don't agree with that. And to even address it, he shouldn't have addressed it, but if he did address, he should have said,

hikers right. I mean, when they keep asking him. And Piker is right. I mean, we just watch the United States murder random people in fishing boats. Like, let's put that in perspective, right? This is just murder. It's ongoing too. Right.

I mean, and even the double tap. And what the media was concerned about was the double tap. Oh my God, I can't believe we double tap. We don't double tap. We murder on the first shot. Double tap it is impolite. Really? That's the conversation.

So rude. When Saeed is. walking that line, he's walking that line because he's aware that the U.S. media fundamentally lies about what the U.S. does around the globe. Yeah. Meaning what he's saying, what Asan Piker is saying, is flat fact, undubidably without a doubt. It's like saying that the sun rises in the east. It's just like the sun, the world is round.

Right? He could have just said the world is round. It's like when I heard that, I was like, duh. Like if I was kind of like my, I was angry at Hassan Piker for speaking stuff that was so obvious. I was like, why are you making millions of dollars a year speaking such obviousness? But that's just it. The U.S. media doesn't take it as obvious. Like regardless of them disliking Trump's war in Iran, they're fine with the war on Iran. They just don't like the fact that Donald Trump did it and there's consequences for the way he did it. It's impolite. Meaning,

if you listen to Democrats, they will still trash Iran. They will still trash China. They would still trash Russia, even if they don't necessarily like the war or let's say, let's say leveraging the war because they know the American public doesn't necessarily like the war. They don't really ultimately care. I put a video for Hassan Piker and when he was talking to Simone Sanders, all of these people are Democrats. Simone Sanders obviously worked for Joe Biden. Bobby, can you pull that up and show it? Yeah. He is, they are not his friends. That's what I'm trying to say. These people are not on the same page. They are not your buddies. Go look back at what they did to Bernie Sanders and take that as a lesson. You should have had that almost like as a classroom.

Never play the Guilpa Association game. Never play. Ever. Never play. These people are trying to do everything in their power to undercut your campaign, and they will be perfectly okay if you lose that campaign, and then we'll turn around and say, see, we told you that the left couldn't win. Totally.

I think Saeed's in trouble, by the way, but, you know, in that race. But, okay, here we go. We're about to watch that clip. All right, Robbie, let a rip. Well, the Hamas is, or Israel's a thousand times worse, in Hamas. This is intentionally provocative, but it's also not true. Do you believe that? But no, but like, do you actually believe that? No, for sure. And do you under? Go ahead. Because, well, here's the thing. Is Hamas a religious fundamentalist

operation that have engaged in violent actions? Of course they have. Absolutely. But that violence is directly born out of. And even that repression is directly born out of the conditions brought about by the occupation that's been going on for 80 plus years. And not only that, but I think it's a good entry point into the conversation for many Americans who also understand that what Israel has done is unconscionable. The genocide is unacceptable. Many of them are also now coming to the recognition that there has also been an ongoing occupation and apartheid. And the reason why I make this intentionally provocative statement is to challenge the previous implicit biases that many Americans have that are sympathetic to the Palestinian plight, but not exactly understanding of

why Palestinians fight back or even aware of the internationally recognized right to resist that the Palestinian resistance has. I know we don't want to get into like a 20-minute conversation about Israel and Gaza. We have more questions. I don't. I really believe that. And you said yes. So do you understand that by saying that, that there are a lot of people that hear you say

that and say, one, okay, I think he's being provocative. but two, oh my God, he's endorsing violence. Mm-hmm. I think endorsing violence is no different when people say that they, you know, that Israel has a right to defend itself, that Israel is the most moral country in the Middle East, that it's a democracy. It's an apartheid. It's no different than the way that people argued.

Can I just go back? But that's not my question. I don't want, like, I'm not talking about Netanyahu and the state of Israel. I guess my question is, do you, it sounds to me like you are endorsing violence. for because you think it's justified on this particular issue and somebody will that's how I heard it. I know that's how other people have heard it. And so do you understand that that's how people hear it? And is that part or since? I hate so this again goes back to the same. Yeah, we I hate these people because obviously she doesn't want to have that conversation, right?

He is being very contextual with what he says. In fact, just not the senali. The answer is yes, violence is appropriate in certain situations. Hamas in a strongly worded letter is not necessarily going to get them what they want. They have a right to self-defense, which is what he pointed out even in that statement. They have an international endorsement is a trap word,

right? Like you endorse it. I mean, who is he to endorse it? Is Hamas going to put a sticker on their next drone? Like, endorsing. Hassan Piker. It means nothing. I mean, I mean, the appropriate question would be like, do I think

They're within their rights. Yeah, I do. Do I have the right? Do I have the right to use violence to defend myself, my family, my home against someone who's trying to kill me? Yes, I do. And if that means using violence, I will kill the ever-living dog crap out of that bastard. Which is this point.

100%. They're justified in using violence. If this was the French resistance. And what he should have asked there was, what about Nat Turner? Did Nat Turner have a right for self-resence, self-defense? Now, I will be super curious about her answer to that because that answer is going to tread on this idea of black slavery and whether or not blacks had a right to fight back from the standpoint of slavery. Simone Sanders is never going to say, no, Matt Turner didn't have a right to do what he did. She would never say it. Did the American, did George Washington have the right to take to violence against the British crown?

Exactly. Now, Simone Sanders may not know those things. And she may think that violence is wrong in all situations, which she's done. dumb if she thinks that self-defense is a real thing. And they have a right to self-defense under international law, meaning they have every right. And under common sense. And just under common sense. I mean, in all societies, self-defense is a defense to, is a valid defense to murder in Sharia law, in Western law. I mean, everywhere, right? I mean, you know, like, he came for me first. I killed him. And the jury believes you, you walk. actually wants to take it out a visual well well we don't we could have a 20 minute conversation about god forbid it's not 20 minutes okay and it's like dude we're talking about this specific issue we're

talking contextually about this issue i'm not saying that people should go and kill somebody and rob a liquor store these people are aggravated well there's there's between self-defense and murder so if someone tries to go in and take something that doesn't belong to them and they want to hurt you in the process that's an act of aggression. I can kill my enemy. I have every right to use force up to the point of taking your life to protect my family and what belongs to me. That also includes my country.

Well, I mean, it's totally part of the McDonald's. That's from my show. I mean, it's sort of like, like right now, I'm still, I'm deep reading the Ben Moser book. We're going to be talking to Ben Moser next week. And, you know, it's talking, it serves as a reminder. or, oh, you know, well, you know, Israel was created in 1948, and then the innocent state of Israel was immediately in its cradle attacked by the mean Arab neighbors who surrounded them, right?

And it's like, okay, but the state of Israel shouldn't have been created in 1948. So it's like, because of that, it's like, well, except for the fact that you guys invaded a space that wasn't yours and took it over and then said, oh, we'll share part of what we stole with you. And then everyone's like, no, no, thank you. Fuck you. We're going to war. Okay, well, that's, that was the invasion. That is the, that is the precipitating incident. The, I mean, there were lots of prequels going back to, you know, the fall four declaration and before. But still, it's like, that's the main point. The main point is the state isn't, wasn't yours to, in the first place. And nobody accepted it. And it's like, you're like,

Well, they used violence against us. It's like, well, the creation of the state of Israel was an act of violence. So they were just defending themselves. So we have a few more questions here. Can we say over a few minutes or not? Yes. All right. Okay.

I think we're up to right here with a round Roscoe. Wiley Coyote is a super genius. That's it. Okay, maybe blue and funk, she says. I was also thinking Hassan is also scared after seeing what they did to his pal Charlie. So Hassan is just going to do what his management says. Well, I don't think it's that. I think it has to do with this. Like, as you pointed out, El Saeed, and he's probably like, God damn, dude. I'm trying to win this race. I need you to chill out. Yeah. And even if you look at him, right? Honestly, that's not the right. right, that's not the right tactical approach. I mean, if I were Sayyed's campaign manager, I wouldn't say this just to be, because I'm spicy, because I'm dead raw. I'd say, like, listen, it's like people like a fighter. They like someone who, um, who basically, like, like, uh,

like, like, like Zoran, Mabani. He won in large part because he never shied away. I mean, he won in the most Jewish city in the United States, in the, in the biggest Jewish community outside of the state of Israel. And he won over. overwhelmingly, and he won most of the Jewish vote in New York City, right? And he never shied away from being anti-Zionist, ever. Yeah, and he's in a Muslim state. Yeah. I mean, I smell the pussy. I smell some pussiness on Sayyed, and that's what's coming out here.

Which I don't like, because if you run their station. Yeah. I get it. That's why he's like, for example, oh, I didn't really join the DSA. I'm DSA adjacent. Like, okay. back in and thank you for the dollar robbie the real racist bit of speedy gonzalez all the other mice were lazy as fuck which is the other mice were definitely lazy

sitting there in the shade with their big old floppy hats you know with the with the hat of dignity the sombrero yeah it's so good it's so awesome um Cuba so basically uh the guardian has a piece about how Trump's rich allies and Rubio's like Florida lobbyists and Cuba exile scoundrels in Miami are all basically carrying favor with the White House plotting and scheming to take over all of Cuba's natural resources and indigenous businesses, much like the way Russian oligarchs rushed into steal state assets after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. I still maintain that Venezuela will have a revolution because of what's going on right now. Cuba obviously has a history of revolution.

I think it's going to be ugly there too. I mean, the U.S. is just going too far. Yeah. They're trying to hold back the night. Yeah. I mean, I mean, the knight from the same point of the way the U.S. is looking at the world. I mean, look at what Trump is doing. and the way that the U.S. is effectively operating.

It is dictating to the world. When Donald Front first got in office, he was dictating to the world, you should do this. And I'm going to use the tariff power, the force you do to do this. And in other cases, if tariffs in work, he went directly to military force. He's doing this to the entire world, or trying to, anyway. I mean, he's putting edicts out. Hey, I don't want you to trade with this country.

Okay, these are sovereign nations with 1.3, 1.5 billion population. And he's basically saying, I am trying to control. your foreign policy in regards to who you trade with. Okay, this is outrageous in and of itself. Attacking the country is outrageous. Murdering fishermen is outrageous going after Brazil, going after Cuba. Again, these are things that the U.S. is trying to over extend itself. And I think it's overextended. And I think it's going to be found lacking. I don't think this shit's going to work. I could be wrong. Yes, he's going to put a huge amount of pressure on Cuba. And yes, he's going to put a huge amount of pressure on Venezuela. He's going to steal the resources of Venezuela, whether he's

able to do with this Cuba or not. I don't know how, if Cuba is going to be. going to be able to maintain. But I will say, I agree with you. This is an overextension. And this is, I mean, morally, ethically, which obviously doesn't matter. It's disgusting. Outrageous. Yeah. It's so disgusting. After 60 plus years of bone crushing sanctions imposed against Cuba. Strangulation. And they want to, they want to drive out their government out of power. And, you know, which, you know, I think if there was a plebiscite, I'm pretty sure, they would not choose to go, you know, become a U.S. vassal, right? I mean, yeah. I mean, keep in mind, the U.S. is killing babies. Right. Every day.

Pregnant mothers, the children who's not able to eat or not able to get electricity and those type of things as a result of sanctions. Just one last point. Madeline Albright, that famous interview where she's acts on TV, hey, it seems like your sanctions have killed 500,000 kids. And Madeline Albright's response was, yeah, but I think it's necessary. That's what sanctions do. Yeah. And they know. Well, Albright said it's a price ruling to pay. Well, you're not paying the price. It's not your kids being killed.

It's their kids. And that's a price that you're willing to pay is that you're willing to kill half a million of someone else's kids. But you're not like, that's your price that you're paying. I'm glad she's in hell right now. That's amazing. Yeah. I love that tweet. If Putin had been caught saying that, can you imagine what you're, what is a?

Well, he doesn't. I don't think he would ever say something like that. He would never say some stupid. In private, you know, I don't think he thinks things like that. I don't think of it in those terms either. I mean, like, but we do is the point I'm getting at. And yet, we frame everything's a threat for somebody else when you have video of people saying shit like that in the United States. If there was a war trial, that testimony would have came up in a Nuremberg trial.

Hey, it's a look like you've killed 500,000 babies. There'd be a noose with her name on it, for sure. Yeah. What show is it? Jana Bush is on, it was one of the morning shows. Is NBC today? I'm not looking at TV. George W.

Oh, W. has got a new book coming out. And so he called in. He wrote it all himself. I'm sure he did. So he called in. And they were just talking to each other. He called Jana.

They're talking to each other on her iPhone and stuff. And they saw they're giggling and laughing. And the whole time I was just thinking, it's like, this man is responsible for over a million murders. Yes. And none of you care. And he's going to die sooner rather than later. And he's going to lay in state at the Capitol. And we're all going to, the flag will be at half-mast. And we're all going to have to pretend to be sad. I don't know if Donald Trump will go to the funeral because they're not buddies. But, you know, it's just a, I mean, that'll be one of the rare examples if he doesn't show up of Trump doing the right thing. Yeah, but he's not doing it for the right reasons. He's doing it because

Certainly not. Certainly not. You don't get credit for that. It's a petty horrible person. One percent credit. All right, we have a few more comments and then we should go get ready for the Q&A show at 12 noon.

But just filming, really? Who has a podcast about geopolitics and the podcast name is Clocket? She's a bozo. What is Clocket? Clocket. That was the name of Simone's show. Yeah.

I'm surprised she's even. has a podcast. I mean, she is, I mean, didn't a show get canceled on MSNBC? Oh, yeah. Yeah. All that stuff is boring. It's like an ecosystem of... I hate her. She's, she's such a sellout. She's like, the thing is, what it is, she's like Rachel Maddow. It's like, you know better and you're doing this anyway. That's the difference. They're part of a clip. There's a body of ideas that all of them have to agree to. I mean, again, the Lawrence So Donald thing was eye-opening for me. I was just watching like, wow.

I was enamored by it. I hadn't watched it for CBC forever. And when the thing came up, I was like, he's staying on script. It's amazing. The Iranian is a bad. We have to somehow separate, but we need to attack Trump for the war because the war is unpopular. By the same token, I don't want to give any credit to Iran, so I have to attack them also

in the process of it. And of course, Donald Trump is still working with Vladimir Putin in some way, and he hasn't ended the war. And it's like he had all of his notes. Yeah, that's the thing, right? So I hate that sort of trying to quote unquote split it on the middle. In my column, which I'm going to be talking about in a little bit under an hour with Scott on DMZ, you know, I talk about how I quote Gavin Newsom.

Gavin Newsom was asked, oh, if, you know, if Trump becomes president, would you get rid of tariffs against Canada? And he's like, I'm not going to say that. I'm like, really? like when you say it like only 20% of Americans are in favor of them like no democrats like that's a hard lift for you right like and by the way he's attacking Trump for the tariffs that he won't go rid of this is the Joe Biden thing right we're also saying he wouldn't necessarily end he also said oh he was asked would you stop the war in Iran he's like we should have gone for congressional approval but he's not saying no right so I mean and that's what they're all like

and I don't mean just like Josh Shapiro and those people. All of them, even AOC won't say that if she were president on day one, she would stop the Iran war. Like, none of them will. None of them are saying that. And it's like they all have to say shit. Like, this is always what you have to do. Like in the American system, if you're one of the two,

member of one of the two major parties in their media or in their political space, you have to say, well, okay, Trump should have gone to Congress to get approval to kill the people of Iran. That's wrong that he didn't do that. That said, the Iranian regime has killed 40,000 people, and they're evil, and they deny women equal rights, and they have to go, and they must never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. And it's like, okay, so here's the thing. Like, even if you actually think those things about Iran, I mean, they didn't kill 40,000

people. But the point is, like, even if you think those things and you don't like their government, Okay, you shouldn't say that. You should just shut up about that and just focus on, if you're really seriously an opponent of the war, just say, I'm against the war. We should get out of there right away. We should never have been there. And leave the, you know, fucking with the Iranians to the right wingers because they have that covered. You don't need to help them in any way.

The right wingers never do that the other way around, right? They don't ever come around and say like, okay, well, you know, we want to make sure, you know, like Iran has no nuclear weapons. But it is kind of true that Trump should have gone to Congress. And it is also kind of true that we've killed too many schoolgirls. They don't give you any quarter, right? They don't sort of half-ass it. They just sort of come right out and say, like, the reflecting pool is awesome. You know what I mean?

Like everything is, everything's 100% MAGA. It's like, and so like Democrats like these, you know, like Simone, Simone Sanders, like, fuck her. They should be like, just be like, Israel sucks. You know, I mean, Israel needs to be turned into a, you know, has to be abolished and turned into a democratic state from the Mediterranean Sea to the river Jordan. And one man, one vote, get rid of apartheid, the end, Republic of Palestine.

Anybody who wants to stay can stay, anyone who wants to leave can leave the end. But that's assumed they disagree, and I don't think they disagree with the war. No, well, that's the whole point, right? Like, if they really felt the way that they felt, they wouldn't be half-assing it. Exactly. Well, they probably pair. From their point of view, this is standard. This is like the speed of light, right?

Yeah. Like, meaning a massless particle always travels at the speed of light. This is kind of like that. Under normal circumstances, their biases, we're okay with divorce. We don't like the way Donald Trump. was doing it. And by the way, they're not going to pull it back, just like the JCPO8. And the fact that you can't say, yes, I'm going to repeal the Canadian tariffs the moment that I get in office. How can you not say that? Right. Insane. That's the thing in a word to say. I mean, literally,

okay, so here's the standard for me and then we're out. Like in 1944, after France was liberated from the Nazis, the interim president was Charles de Gaulle until they had an election. De Gaulle comes in, his very first rule, his first law that he got through Parliament simply said all laws and regulations passed between 1940 and 1944, i.e. under Vichy, under Filippe. are invalid. Now, that's it. It's like, basically, it's like Vichy, France, like it never even happened, like Serfro. And that's what the next Democratic president should promise to do. They should say, everything that Trump did. We will go through, they could say just one executive order.

All executive orders passed between, you know, in the last four years, no longer are valid and are to be reversed. In other words, all the Doge people, you all have your jobs back. USAID, welcome back. You know, your desk waiting for you. Although I personally hate USAID. My point is, but the Democrats should undo everything. And by the way, parenthetically, DeGal, there were a lot of laws that had been passed

under, you know, because it was a government, and they did stuff about taxes and tariffs and, you know, widening roads. And they had to go back and repass those, right? Because they were things that needed to happen. But the point is symbolically, we're just going to undo all this shit. We're out of Iran on day one. We beg forgiveness and offer restitution on day one. It's like, but, you know, that's not what they're going to do. Democrats don't do that. And when people say, complain about people like us saying, oh, the Democrats and Republicans are the same, I point to things like this. They are the same on the important stuff. Yeah. I mean, as I keep saying, Joe Biden didn't go back to the JCPOA.

He could have. He chose not to it. Joe Biden kept Space Force. Yes, he kept Space Force. Like they, it's almost like Democrats instantiate. Joe Biden kept the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem where Trump had moved it instead of taking you sending it back to Tel Aviv. Yeah, because he agrees with those things. He agrees with it. He's okay. Same thing with Canada. Same thing with Iran. They're going to say, hey, what advantage is that we get out of it? And they're not going to want to look weak.

It's that, which is always part of the presidency. And maybe it looks weak if you make a deal with Canada and stop with Canada. It's like, yeah, dude, but this came from what you considered to be the devil. And you're still accepting what the quote devil did. Same thing with Obama and Texas, right? The guard, the

gargantuan tax cut that George Bush put it in Obama cut like 80 something percent of Biden did the same thing he kept Trump's first term tax cuts exactly yeah they instantiate whatever Republicans do even though they bitch and moan about what Republicans do and as you point out then they would say hey you guys need to get on board we don't need to get on anywhere no until you guys can actually stand for some differentiate yourselves yeah and they'll be like well will we we rejoin the world health organization okay sure so I mean It's not important, but okay. All right.

We go now. We do have one rant to do real quick. From Deep Green. Simone is a fucking trader's sellout. Fuck the black Mongol class. Hence why I'm a class reductionist. What's a class reductionist? Oh, no, I'm sorry, I misread that.

Managerial class, not Mongol class. Oh, God. Okay. Thank God. Thank God. to thank God. Mongrel is not a good word to use next to the word black, even if you're talking about like a color of a pen.

Okay. Well, and I think he's black himself. Well, this is also why y'all should not have the southerner reading. There's no pictures. Reading and southerner don't go together. I mean, no, the family should go straight up. So, listen, y'all've got the lowest of low bars here. All right.

See you guys in an hour in 45. minutes. We'll be back with the Q&A. See you here on YouTube and Rumble. See you live. We love you, Robbie. Have a great weekend if you're not to rejoining us, but otherwise we hope you do DMZ, AMZ America podcast with me and Scott. We'll be talking about America. Can we move past Donald Trump? That's coming up in 40 minutes on YouTube and Rumble. DMZ. Are you going to join us? Give me an answer yes or not. I'm curious. What do you mean? What's the question? Can we move past Donald Trump? No. No. Really?

You think this is no? I think his works remain. His works will remain. He has massacized. He's changed politics forever and he's changed the country forever. There's no getting them out. I mean, this cancer is going back. He can drop dead today, but that's not going to change anything.

The cancer he's unleashed on the body politic is in the bone marrow. There's no getting it out. That's what I think. Send you a link. Okay. I'll send you a link. All right. Bye, everyone.

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