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Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET.Today we discuss:• Trump said the U.S. is willing to help Russia after the State Department announced it was monitoring a reportedly fatal case of "pneumonia of an unknown etiology”—pneumonic plague—linked to a Russian plague research laboratory in Irkutsk Oblast.• 1,800 high schools and 90% of universities in France are currently blockaded or closed. The wave of protests started with 15 to 18-year-old lycéens and has now spread to their parents, university students and the biggest union, the CGT. The Interior Ministry estimates about 86,000 protesters have taken to the streets across France, not including the Paris region.• Leaders in California have denounced Donald Trump as “reckless” and “deranged” after the US president suggested Iran could “take out” Los Angeles and San Diego. A new Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Trump’s approval rating at a record-low 32%. That polling included the president losing support among independent voters and Latinos, who had backed him in 2024.• China has opened its first overseas air force base in its home continent of Asia—in Laos—where the US already maintains several military bases and access arrangements, marking a new phase in Beijing’s military expansion nearly a decade after establishing its first overseas military base in Djibouti, Africa, in 2017.• The German federal prosecutor’s office announced it had detained the former spy chief, August Hanning, 80 — who led Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service, or BND, from 1998 to 2005 — but did not say which foreign countries he was accused of spying for. Adding to the drama was the revelation that the investigation had origins in an alleged attempt by a German steakhouse heiress to kidnap her children from her estranged husband.00:00 Cold Open: Plague, Protests, and Trump 03:27 French School Blockades Spread to Parents and Unions 16:54 Trump’s Approval Falls to a Modern Low 34:56 Lab Death from Pneumonic Plague in Siberia 46:25 Trump Jokes Iran Could Hit Los Angeles 49:04 China Opens a Military Base in Laos 55:38 Former German Spy Chief Arrested 59:20 Close and How to Support the ShowMERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

Good morning. You are watching Deep Program with Ted Raul and Jamaral Thomas. Jamaral Thomas is presumably wrapping up his morning show and will be with us shortly. Here's what we've got teed up for you this morning. President Trump says that the United States is willing to help the Russian Federation if Russia requests assistance. I think that's highly unlikely. But pneumonic plague has escaped from a research lab in eastern. Russia in Urquutsk Oblast and it has killed a lab worker there. We'll tell you about plague and exactly what it all means.

1800 high schools and 90% of the universities in France are currently either closed or blockaded and therefore effectively closed as protests now spread from the students in their second week of protests into the parents, university students and the nation's biggest union, the CGT, G-T. Leaders in California are denouncing Donald Trump as reckless and deranged after Trump was talking at a rally and suggested that Iran might want to take out Los Angeles and San Diego and suggested that implied that he might be okay with it. Meanwhile, Trump's approval ratings are down to 32 percent. That's a record low for him. China has opened its first overseas Air Force Base, not in the world. They have one in Djibouti in Africa, but in

Asia, this one is in Laos, and Americans are freaking out because they didn't see it coming. And in Germany, the federal prosecutor's office has detained the former head of the BDND, which is the CIA of Germany. He was in charge back in the late 90s and early aughts. He's accused of spying, and there's lots of drama affiliated with that. And Dennis Hastert and Jimmy Swagger, the most moral of all people who have ever been. lived have died. May they rest in peace. Good morning, Jamar. How are you? I'm doing fine. How's it going this morning? Good. I'm just imagining the afterlife cocktail party where Jimmy Swigert

hangs out with Dennis Hastert. Both of them drop dead at the same time. Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm sure they're in the same place, wherever that is. Well, I don't believe in an afterlife, but I always, I always imagine an afterlife cocktail party. James Baker died too. Oh, sorry, not Jimmy Swigert. I was thinking of James Baker. That's who I was thinking of. I was thinking of. I was confused. I was use those two. Okay. Wow. The two fake Christian who start with the J. Yeah. That's how my mind thinks. Okay. So we have, you heard what we've got to talk about. Oh, please like, follow and share. Today's our one hour show. So we have a lot to pack in in the remaining 57 minutes. We do this Monday, Wednesday, Friday, from 9 to 11. We do it Tuesdays and Thursdays. From 9 to 10,

TMI show coming up at 10 on Tuesdays and Thursdays. We do appreciate and we need your support. So please do that if you can. And I'm trying to think what else there is to say. Okay, I think that's pretty much it. I'm kind of interested in, well, I'm interested in all these stories. Charles, why don't you pick? Let's go to protests.

Okay. Yeah, let's go to protests. By the way, it's spread to Belgium. Yeah, it's spread to Belgium. Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I was watching the kids basically wreck stuff in Belgium and fight the cops and all this other stuff. And, you know, what they see, the protests are always risky because they can always be categorized as what does this balance have to do with the thing that you actually want.

And that's what they're saying. They're like, well, what does this balance have to do with, what does, you know, come to school at 8 o'clock? And what does this attacking teachers have to do with whatever is effectively taking place? And France is more clear. And in France, because it's a political issue. In Belgium, I'm kind of unclear on the rationale. I mean, they're making the argument class size. We want, I don't know, we want to come to school at 8 o'clock. We want, et cetera, et cetera. I don't know.

They seem slightly different to me. Yeah, I don't know the situation in Belgium. I have to say, I mean, I'm really surprised even by the French complaints. I mean, the French system prided itself on, you know, equity and equality within the system. And obviously, you know, nothing's ever perfect. But having attended and visited and spoken at French public high schools in the past on book tour and everything, I was always super impressed by how, you know, what a well-run system it was. And I just, you know, obviously, I haven't been there for the last five, ten years in those schools. So, I mean,

what the hell has happened, right? I mean, I've got to think it's austerity. I've got to think that the government is just not dedicating the financial resources needed to, you know, run the schools properly and that it's driving the kids crazy. I mean, certainly the hours have gotten longer. I don't get that at all. It's from now to it's from eight to six in France, which is insane. I mean, people don't work eight to six. Yeah, that's insane. I mean, like, a 32-hour work week in French, in France.

Yeah. I mean, what do they expect? Like, are they taking classes the entire time? I mean, whether they're taking classes or not, that time frame is insane. It's too long. And then they didn't have to wake up in the morning and do the same thing over again. And that's, that's, you have to be out at six in the morning and get to school. And then you're not really home until maybe 6.30 or seven, right?

I mean, it's like in the winter, it's dark. Pardon? What was the reason for it? Because I remember, you know, I remember being in school. And like, I think we used to get out around 3.30 or something like that. I mean, what are you doing that late into the day? Is it just it's advantageous for parents because parents are at home at the time when the kids get home? Yes, that's what it's saying here.

It's saying that, okay, so what's basically going on here is so the parents can pick up, can drop off their kids before work and pick them up after work. That's primarily. Oh, and also they do have the long lunch break, but they used to have the long run to break. You know, it's France, right? so they have a one to two hour lunch break so kids can go home or they have a two hour lunch break in France oh yeah it used to be two to three it's France man it's a France is a civilized country and um also uh traditionally like elementary school kids used to have Wednesday off so they would jam in the extra hours for the rest of the week or they'd have a half day on Saturday sometimes

It's no wonder France loses all of its wars. These people are so soft and weak. This is pathetic. Well, let me just say the thing is... A bunch of cream puffs. France has the highest per capita productivity in the world, far higher than the United States. Their workers are far more productive than ours in a far shorter amount of time. So we should be taking some clues from them.

So that's why they're burning the country down because they have to... Because it impacts their schedule. You have to admit they're very productive at burning the country down. They're doing it in a very efficient way. Well, that way they can import migrants to rebuild it since I can do jobs or French people won't do. Hey, that reconstruction, you know, it's going to drive the economy. Every school you burn down is a new school that has to be built.

Is that the way you think about it? Yeah. That's what generated the post-war economy of Japan, right? No, but seriously. Two-hour lunches is insane, Ted. And maybe they should just say, look, let's do 30 minutes and we'll get off at 3.30 in the evening. We'll call it a day. I mean, that's like, they can't have it both ways.

Well, I think it has more. Well, I think it has more to do. Like, they're patting it with a long lunch in order to extend the day so that kid parents can pick up their kids after school. You know, they get off 405. They drive over to the school at 545, pick up their kids. I mean, look, there needs to be a better way. Like, you know, there's just obviously the kids are saying there needs to be a better way. Fix it.

We don't care how. Fix it. Well, for one, there's so many assumptions built into that. Why are they assuming the parents gets off at that particular time frame? I mean, parents could get off at three. They can get off at two. Hell, maybe they work at home. Oh, France is a far more regimented country than ours.

You know, they don't have like, it's definitely most, I mean, sure, there are people who work like night shift and stuff like that. the vast majority of people really do get off at like five. Also, what does it matter if they got off at five? The kids just go home. Right. Latchkey kids, you know, let yourself in. I was. So they don't trust their kids.

Go home and watch Gilligan's Island like you're supposed to. Exactly. So the French don't trust their kids. And Star Trek reruns. Like I know. Nostal Czech. So friends, don't. trust their kids to go home by themselves.

Or maybe they think it's uncivilized or that like the kids need to be supervised, not necessarily a trust issue. You know, it's cultural. You know, a lot of people feel like, look, as a parent, I was felt very privileged to be able to drop my kid off and pick him up after school when he was little. I just, it just felt good. It gave me the warm fuzzies. I didn't think he was unsafe making his way home on the bus or by himself.

I'm sure he could. No worries. No must. I lived in a very safe place. But, you know, it's, I mean, I'm not one of those, like, you know, stranger danger parents. I mean, I totally think it's cool. I have no problem even in New York City with, like, the Lenora Skinazi thing of letting your kid take the subway home in second grade. You absolutely should be able to. You know, I took the bus to downtown Dayton, which was pretty spicy when I was a kid when I was like in second, third grade. No must, no fuss, no problem. It made me the man I am. today. So, but I think, you know, I think the bigger issues here are, obviously, this is a bigger issue. It's kind of like when we talk with Robbie about how the government hates us and doesn't take care of us. And we, you know, and the Israel and the Ukraine thing, you know, it's framed also

within the context of we're not getting the things we need, like health care and infrastructure in this country. I think what's going on in France is similar. They're looking at the social contract like you know they're sending money to Ukraine also and they're dealing and their government seems to have all sorts of priorities and the kids and the parents look around at their schools that are falling apart and their teachers who weren't getting raises and they wonder where the fuck is the money from this incredibly robust economy going and it's a good it's a very valid question and that's why they're pissed off and unlike us they're willing to do something

about it. I want to, I think this is notable, and we do have a lot to talk about today, so we probably shouldn't linger too much on this. But I think what's notable here is the solidarity. I love the fact that the parents are walking alongside their students. I like the fact that the CGT, which is the former communist labor union, which is the biggest labor union in France, it's like the FLCIO, that they are joining the students and calling for a national strike, that firefighters are on strike, which makes it spicy when the firemen. are starting you know yes yes it's like I just love that solidarity could you imagine how much the left could get done in this country or you know populists in general could

get done if we had that level of solidarity like whenever you know someone who's beleaguered like if the air traffic controllers went on strike in the in the early 80s and everyone else went with them well they wouldn't have been fired by Reagan they couldn't have been. They would have all been protected. I mean, we, they look out for each other in France. Solidarity is a national value. And we don't, I mean, I think we could take a note, you know. No, agree. The rugged individualist thing, which was always a myth, is pervasive. It just is, your own own. It's like, your problems are your own. You figure it out. Yeah. We got some comments. Okay. Mr. A. Lee says, France, France, France,

The French are lazy fucks. Philip Blair, France only recently lost Burkina Faso. Neo-colonialism never ended. And, well, that's true. By the way, we never even talked about that, like the effect that that has all France. I mean, France was able to use this colonies to extract wealth from those colonies, like uranium without necessarily paying the actual value for the uranium. Well, now they've got to pay a regular price. Yeah, that's true.

All that stuff gets expensive. And, you know, France has a, unfortunately, they still have a, despite the revolution, they have a rigid class system. And that's also always holding them back. I mean, they have, you know, we're getting to that point, too, where we have low to no class mobility. But in France, that's been a longstanding problem, even when their economy was better. Maconan says, Robbie, shirt and hat arrived today. Very good quality. Nice.

Which shirt and hat are we talking about here? So on my channel, I've got a, I got a link called shop. westglaciermedia.com. And so I have a couple of really nice things. So I've got Vlad the Impailer on his shirt. It says, no, bad neighbors make great fences. And it's quite nice. I've got all kinds of merch.

I have put together a, a, a, port that heifer shirt and coffee cup and i've actually got one of them and so yeah that's what i'm doing making friends and all the right places bad by the way robbie i owe you an apology from yesterday i was far too strong on the um the the software thing making the point i don't believe you the thing that i didn't believe was the um i think in my mind when i think about it i think i was making the distinction between what it's not i don't know what it is i think it was a software thing for some reason or the idea that code and maybe I misunderstood code uh could be created that is that does not have books or that doesn't um

that always is bugs but what you do those that you use telemetry to find especially that the bugs that always appear the ones that just that kind of sneak in if you have telemetry you're able to go in and find what you know what happens make this happen and so that's what i do so basically with my model so i've got the model but i've got python scaffolding around it so every time i run run something at Jerez's a JSON file. So that's what I do. I understand that. Keep it simple.

I don't think it's simple, but fair enough. I guess my point is you have my apologies. I was far too strong on the I don't believe it thing. It's fine. You don't have to. I would argue that all code his bugs. Of course it does. Well, that's why I audit.

That's the whole point. I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm saying the exact opposite of that. Listen, I'm building something in my family tree goes straight up. have very little genetic diversity. I'm a man from the deep south. So I'm baking my stupidity into it. Okay.

I hear you. No, I am building this on the assumption I'm going to screw everything up. And I also understand that if it's not written down, it never happened. So that's what I do. Okay. It's all logs. Okay. Okay, so let's see.

A couple comments here. Nietzsche, if you were a girl at second grade, would you be okay? I guess if you had a second grade daughter, would you be okay her being on the subway? Yes. No. Philip Blair, remember when Hillary Clinton and the French government overthrew the government of Libya? I do remember. Yes.

Very few people do, but yeah. No. It was Sacrosi, if I remember correctly. It sure was, imbecile. Okay, so what should we talk about? Should we talk about Trump and? Yeah, that approval rating is insane. I mean, he's going to hit the 20s.

He's going to hit the 20s. When he resumes the war, that number's going to drop to the 20s. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, I've never seen an approval rating this low. I thought George Bush was going to be lowest in the history. Not so much. I saw reading like this because I'm older than you, Richard Nixon a few months, a month or two before his resignation.

He was down to 28, I think. But this is, you know, you're right. In the modern era, this is like this is unprecedented. You know, I was going to ask you, you like sports, and to me, this feels a little bit like a sports phenomenon. You know, when sports fans give up on a team and they turn against that team, like they kind of, like, you know, it's their hometown team, they love them, but they're like, these guys are losers. and the bleachers empty out, and people just don't go to the games. I mean, isn't there kind of like a, there's kind of like a crowd effect where people are like, they just stop going, they just stop caring, and they kind of like, society in that town

kind of gives permission to each other to stop rooting for the team. That's what this feels like to me. It feels like for a lot of Republicans, they now have permission to turn, if you see the approval rating dropping, it has a snowball effect where you look at it and you think, wow, I mean, at 32%, lots of other conservatives are now turning against Trump. They have to be because the country is 50-50, right? So maybe it makes you maybe recon, like if Trump was at 55%, you know, you're like, oh, I'm good. That's more than half the country. I mean, he was never at that.

He was like 45, 47. But at that point, you're like, well, that's half the country, and I'm half the country. I'm a Republican. But at this point, you start to think, huh, the tide's running out. Maybe I should abandon ship, too. You know what I mean? I do know what you mean. So I am not a big fan of sports.

I mean, chess is a sport. Well, I defended as a sport. Oh, I thought you liked football. Team sports. Not a huge fan of. I mean, I do like football. Yeah, I do like football. I do like football.

And I can be caught watching basketball on a random. occasion or the very least I can enjoy the sports. So fair enough, I accept that. Yeah, I agree with you. Like, the reason that people fight so hard for high approval ratings is because they like to be able to say, well, look at all of these people that, you know, care about me and back me and support me. And there's some kind of weird effect with human beings where if a crowd backs something, then that somehow gives it some kind of legitimacy. It's not real. But it's just the way it works. Maybe it just because, you know, when you have higher numbers, you have a higher military and how your military, by definition, can usually win wars. Maybe it's that some kind of psychological thing.

But there's an odd effect of a crowd giving legitimacy to something, even if the crowd is wrong. It still gives it legitimacy. The mandate of heaven, right? Yeah, yeah, the mandate of heaven. That's the Chinese thing, right? Well, it's like, look, it doesn't matter if we have this big D democratic state, et cetera. if we get 90 or 80% of the population believing that we're doing the right thing, but damn it, leave us to our devices, we're doing the right thing.

It's kind of that. And on some level, you give them credit for that, right? I give you grace. Everybody believes you're doing the right thing. I give you grace. The issue with it is when you do the wrong thing, how do you change that process, right? But that's the side. For Trump, Trump's biggest strength in the Republican Party was that he had the momentum.

Like if you remember during the elections and everything else, as much as people hated him. He had a good 35, 40% of the Republican Party in the lock that he can just move from place to place to place and win the elections. And that conferred power in the Republican Party from the standpoint of Donald Trump. Hence, you get a Congress where you can bully,

you can browbeat, you can attack. Hell, Madreitella Green left office. Thomas Massey was taken out. Jewish lobby, true, or Zionist lobby, but also with Donald Trump screaming and yelling at him, Hell, if you remember, Thomas Bassie even made a ad pretending as if him and Trump were still on the same page when obviously they weren't. Right. That's power, right?

What happens when you hit 30% approval and everybody knows it? And you get 80% of the public saying we hate what he's doing on the economy. And the economy was the one thing that Donald Trump, he won on many things. But the main thing, the thrust of his argument that he wins on, he's now 80% of. percent in the hole. That looks horrendous, right? And Donald Trump is still oblivious to this. And in fact, I don't believe he's oblivious at all. I think he knows. I don't think he's oblivious either. I think he knows how bad this is. And yet he's going on the campaign trail. He's doing like he's still doing stump speeches. Like this was his first term. But only in deep, deep, deep red districts. That may be true. Right.

But he is toxic and he's still doing that shit. And sorry, you are seeing in purple districts, some Republican candidates, you always backed him to the hills in the last two months or so saying like, you know, Mr. President, thank you so much for your support. But it's kind of okay if I got this. I'll do this on my own. Yeah, I don't need you. Well, Republicans are about to lose Montana. I mean, I'm amazing. That's amazing.

I don't know if you've had a chance to look at what I shared. Our governor is in India right now, right now. So first Trump goes in and he imports all this crap Argentine beef that just screws over Montana ranchers. Now our beloved governor is in India right now, talk about how we need more H-1B visa holders and more Indian students to come to Montana universities. Because not enough Montanans are going to the schools and stuff. And so instead of addressing to the actual issues, depressed, wages, the cost of housing. Instead, he's going to go to India and bring over more people to put him further stress on those.

I would not be surprised if people start burning Greg Jim Forte'affeges in the streets at this point. Well, they shouldn't do that. I mean, like. No, they should march on hell and burn the capital down. I mean, that's a full third of betrayal. What, I mean, what they're doing in France right now, I agree with it. It should be, this is how you do protests.

the idea you're like the idea that in is I'm sorry it annoys me the idea that it's like we don't have enough students in our universities and the response isn't well maybe we should make university free to try to get more people into the university hell if you want to say the government gives a stipend in order for people to go so those universities still get money for the people going I don't care you could do that right you have a shortage of nurses you have a shortage of doctors you have a shortage of all of these particular things that we need people to do and yet the issue is not that you don't have enough people in your country to do them, you don't have enough people qualified to do them. And I would argue in large part probably because they can't afford to go to school or going to school is such an exorbitant cost that it doesn't necessarily make sense in the context of their life.

Exactly. But it's a good risk to live. But you can't make a living here. Yeah. And so there's response is we need to get people from India. Obviously, that's a solution. That's obviously a solution. I mean, it got so bad.

The U.S. Ambassador to India had. to turn off the comments on his on his post because he was getting roasted now god bless him Lucas the rep our representative here in evergreen where I am I invite him to the show haven't got back from email yet said that he is going to vote against everything that the Republican party goes for he's going he's going he's pulling a full Thomas Massey going completely he's a Republican he's a Republican he's a Republican and he's like a pox on him complete betrayal and he's right I mean H-1B visas are not popular anywhere, including

No, there goes Ted. He's got that magic mouse. He swipes and he goes away. Oh, it goes away. I got to be honest with you, Robbie. I don't believe any Republican. I think he's saying this now. We'll see what he does if we get in office.

Yeah, we'll see. I am very deeply skeptical. I'm skeptical. Yeah, he's not going to vote against like the military budget or something, right? Yeah. Well, no, I'm, but no, he's not representing the Congress. wrong. No, he's not a representative to Congress. He's our representative to Helena in the district. Oh, he's a state rep. He's a state. He's a state. Okay. Yeah. I mean, no, the, the Democrat for Seth, I invited him on to the show, too. I've got heard back from him. I'm going to vote Democrat this time. Me, yours truly, I'm voting Democrat as a great big, gigantic fuck you to the Republican Party.

But Democrats in Montana, a little bit different than Democrats in, let's say, California, right? Oh, yeah. No, they're just still. No, they're blue dog Democrats. I mean, they are conservative Democrats. No, definitely got more of a populist bend. But as far as that in dudes and dresses in the bathrooms, that's not going to happen. Gun control is off the table. So now these are not, these are like your old school Dixiecrats or Blue Dog Democrats. They're conservative Democrats, more populist, but definitely not woke. Okay. Ted, can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, I can hear you.

Sorry. I was like in the, I was trying to like work on a little tech thing. Okay, which is. I got to be honest with, do you get the sense that this is like a tea party, a tea party year? Like, you know, like when the Tea Party came in, John Boehner, that's a famous quote with John Boehner says he went out to one of the rallies and he saw how the people were like just revved up. And he said, they're fucking pissed off. He said, we're going to win. Like John, or was it?

He said, well, they're pissed off. We're going to fucking win or something like that. But he dropped the F bomb basically saying, we are going to kill it this year. These people are pissed off. They're ready to go. Is that what we're looking at? And what's sad about this? It's not like even they're pissed.

off and there's somebody to harness the fact that that's exactly but that's that's my answer right i mean my answer is that the people who are going to benefit here it's sort of like it's sort of like if like a dude it's sort of like if you're dating a girl and she leaves you for like a great guy like she know she leaves for you for keanu reeves you're like fair's fair he's better than me and it speaks highly of me in a way that I was dating a girl who ended up with Keanu Reeves. But if she leaves you for some degenerate, like, opioid seller, you know, you're like, what does that say about me? And also, like, he doesn't deserve to benefit from the breakup of our relationship, right? Like, he doesn't deserve her or anyone. And that's kind of like what's going on with the Democrats.

I mean, they don't deserve this. They're going to, I mean, they're definitely going to kill it. I mean, the House is like a given, the Senate is, you know, certainly to be conservative, likelier than not, right? Shall we say that? So, and then, like, you know, obviously next year, and watch this, right? Like, in late November and December, all we're going to hear the Democrats say is, like, we're awesome. The American people have handed us the reins. It's because they believed in our message, to which I say, what message? You don't have a message. You don't have a message, right? Like, literally, can you tell me, can anybody tell me? Like, what is the Democratic agenda for 20, for 2027? Okay, they're going to investigate Donald Trump and, and they're going to go after

him and they're going to subpoena him. Great. But what are they going to do about health care? What are they going to do about affordability, the issue of the day? What are they going to do about inflation? What are they going to do about trade? What are they going to do about the wars? I mean, nobody knows. They haven't even said that they would end the Iran war if they had a chance, not that they're getting into the White House next year. But, you know, they could certainly say, we're going to turn off the spigot and turn off all military spending until the war comes to an end. That's how the Vietnam War came to an end. You know, I mean, they could do all sorts of things. They haven't even promised or mentioned the possibility of these things. They don't

deserve the big win they're about to get. And that sucks. agree agree there's like there's no they've done nothing and this is the Nancy Pelosi thing when Nancy Pelosi was like

well they'll come back and she's right and she's right and of course the thing is and the same thing's going to happen in two to four to six years when the Democrats disappoint everyone and then people like

Robbie are going to say like I'm going to send the Democrats a big message fuck you I'm voting Republicans Republican. And so it goes over and over and over. And when she said that, it's one of those things where it's like you have to grudgingly agree. It's like I don't want to agree with that. And yet you're stuck with the agreement of it. Which is why I always say just like don't vote. Voter boycott would be the way to go if we could get enough people to do it. Can you imagine if 90% of the vote, let's just say the voter turnout, this will not happen. But imagine if the voter turnout in an election and let's say a midterm election.

or a presidential election was 8%. That was like the national turnout. I mean, this would be an international crisis. You'd have people meeting at the UN and the EU being like, clearly the American people do not believe in their government. Maybe we need to invade and liberate them. You can tell by the fact that nobody votes. You know, I mean, the point is,

or if 8% of the public voted, again, imagine all the people who are powerful and or rich and or connected, we're like, you know, there's room for a new party here. Like we could, we could with all, despite all of the institutional barriers, clearly there's an appetite for something new on the left, on the right, in the middle. Clearly there's an appetite. And that would send a message that the marketplace of ideas has a vacuum that could be filled. But as long as we keep flailing back and forth between these two major parties, you know, it's hard for anyone who wants to start a new party to say, oh, I have a chance of making this work. Agreed.

Well, I mean, well, I agree about the, that as long as people continue to put their energy into these things, that these things are going to believe that they have some level of legitimacy in order to keep operating. And I would tell you, though, if they were, if only 8% of the population voted, or let's say 10% to round the number off, I still think the political parties would say we want a resounding victory. the people who did vote chose us and our system and it would be absurd right and yet I strongly suspect they were still trying to be like

but I don't think it but it wouldn't work I mean and the reason I say that is like look at countries like you know authoritarian dictatorships like Saddam Hussein Iraq under Saddam Hussein where it's like you know or Kim Jong-un they all have elections right so those countries have election

and they always are like you know thank you for my win with 99% of the vote. But why do they go through this, right? It's like, it's a, like, North Korea is a dictatorship. There is no, it's one-party rule. And, you know, there's no way to know how popular they are, because there's no polling or anything and there's no free press. But what just is, but the point is they go through this because they, it's, it's for domestic and international consumption. Look, people like us. That's why they vote for us. And like, that's important. That legitimacy see, it's not an abstraction in that sense.

And I think the only tool we would have if we really hated the two-party system would be to sit on our hands and either vote for a third party, cast a blank vote, or don't vote at all. Those are your options. I don't ever vote for a Democrat or a Republican in a contest where I don't want to see that Democrat or that Republican win. You should wake up in the morning. And if you're a candidate won, you should be happy.

If you're like, the candidate that you voted for was like, well, you know, oh, well, Hillary Clinton won, but at least Donald Trump didn't win. And you're like, and you voted for her, that sucks. You shouldn't have voted for her, you know. And so that's why I didn't vote for her. I didn't want her to win. I would have been unhappy if she won. I was unhappy that Trump won, but I was unhappy as soon as Bernie Sanders dropped out of the primaries. Then I was, I knew the election, the 2016 election was over for me.

At that point, I was just going to cast a protest vote or no vote at all. Agreed. Yeah, I agree with everything he said. I felt the same way. It was like, I don't want her to win. I don't want him that win. I can always write a Dr. Sheva again. Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, you would be effectively doubling his vote because it's just him. I don't think his wife votes for him. But he's not in Montana anyway. I don't know who the hell he is. Yeah, but you could double his national. vote. That's true. Yeah, we should have him come on. He might be literally the most unpleasant person in the United States. So, you know, like, which is saying something. I mean, I mean that seriously,

like with respect. I mean, everybody's got to be good at something, and he's good at that. All right, here we go. Yeah. Okay, so Andre, hauntavirus and diarrhea let us now Russian plague, $2. Let's talk about the plague. Well, what did he say? I heard something. virus and diarrhea lettuce, you know, from like Taco Bell and now Russian plague. Yeah, Jesus. So the plague.

So there's an outbreak. This happened in Urquutsk Oblast, which is, if you're not familiar with Russian geography, is if you look at a map of Russia, it's just north and it's like imagine Mongolia. It's in the, like just north of there in the middle. Okay. So it's in a very remote part of Asian Russia. You know, they have lots of, lots of Asian, you know, people who look Asian are Asian, effectively, you know, partly and mostly ethnically Mongol or Manchu. Anyway, this isn't a remote place for obvious reasons.

This lab is an anti-plague research facility and less people who hate Russia and are like, oh, yeah, anti-Pagg. But plague is from the former Soviet Union. Plague originated in the Middle Ages in modern-day Kazakhstan and then traveled its way along the Silk Road. So there are plague outbreaks all the time. There's three kinds of plague. There's Bubonic, the famous one, that, you know, devastated Europe and killed about half its to three quarters of its population twice. There's pneumonic, which is what this is, which means it goes after your lungs.

and this one's dangerous because it can spread human to human. Bubonic is only from flea bites from infected rats. You can't get it from, you know, if a person has bubonic plague, you can't get it from them directly. But pneumonic plague is like, you know, it's like COVID. You can, you know, if you cough, you can spread it. And then there's a third kind of plague, which is basically the blood-borne plague. That also cannot be spread human to human, I guess, unless you were sharing needles or something like that. So this one is not bubonic plague.

This is pneumonic. Neumonic is far more dangerous because it spreads human to human. All of them are treatable with antibiotics. If you get antibiotics into your system right away, you'll be fine. But the point is in remote rural areas, this could be a problem. So the point is Russia has to have anti-plague research facilities. about 1 to 2,000 people die globally from plague outbreaks. Every now and then, there's like one or two in Arizona.

There's some in Kazakhstan, which is the sort of, you know, er-er place, the source of plague, as I said. So anyway, the thing is, I'll give Donald Trump credit here. He said that if the Russian Federation needs any assistance whatsoever, although I don't know how we do that, since we're no longer members of the WHO and we no longer, and the CDC has been gutted, I don't really know how we do that. But anyway, whatever help we could provide, maybe on Twitter, we will provide to the Russians. I think the Russians probably have this in hand, but this female lab worker got it on her somehow, got out and then died.

So obviously the Russians are on top of this. And I don't think they probably need any help, but it's worth noting. Yeah, that's rough. That's rough. I mean, these labs are, they're necessary, but it's a necessary danger, I suppose. I mean, they're doing research. I mean, like, it's always possible, I suppose, in any lab that something like this can happen. Always.

Like a sucker of family, yeah. Yeah, I mean, these are, you know, obviously extremely dangerous, you know, bacteria. By the way, has it spread to anyone? else? Is it just her? It's not known to have spread to anyone else yet. Good. Because she could went to Starbucks afterward. But I mean, I imagine that the Russian government has the area quarantined and cut off. And then, you know, they're probably like, you know, dudes in hazmat suits all over the place, you know, trying to figure out exactly how far this went. I mean, that's why you do this in remote areas.

Very true, as opposed to a wet market. You had Wuhan next to the pangolin display. Right, right. It's like, yeah, I'm going to go to leave work and go to Starbucks. And of course, everybody that's in there, 100 people, let's say 10% get infected. Okay, so 10 people now have it and they go and they, like it, the numbers, like this ease at which sometimes these things can spread is just breathtaking. I mean, COVID, the spread of COVID was breathtaking.

And it didn't matter. matter what he did almost. I mean, there are things I suppose that you could do to push the percentages one way or the other. But yeah, we were just on fuck. It was like Spanish flu, 100 years ago. A few years ago, I hope I don't know if this ever happened or not, but European researchers are talking about going into the plague pits that of plague victims who are buried in the city walls. So that's what they've been in the walls. Of course, now they're mummified.

They're talking about going in there getting that bacterial strand that was the black death and then trying to reverse engineering. it and then see they can weaponize it like basically i gain a function which anthony fouchy would be all about i hope that's it is dain yeah like when archaeologists have archaeologists have gotten the plague from digging up those those pits yeah from hundreds of years ago yeah and people just go in there and they start they start playing god with things they're they're better off left buried and yeah um it's terrifying i mean they're trying to find like okay is there identifier for russian and genetics that we can engineer a virus for that was specifically targeted one particular group as opposed to another group like they think of shit like that right they do think of shit like that i know but it's so easy like in the 70s

they wanted to do the the government the u.s government had a biological research facility that was trying to mutate houseflies and their plan was to drop giant mutant houseflies over the soviet union and the plan the idea and i kid you not was that the russian people would be so terrorized that when we when the when world war three came the u.s marines could just march in and everyone would be hiding inside their houses while the giant flies were buzzing around and i'm like i think the russians own tennis rackets right i mean they could just go out and whack them it might be probably be fun for them and i was also like you don't know russians do you and then also i was like they would fly right they could go all over europe they could come to the united states that

wouldn't be good either it was so stupid what stops them from staying in russian i mean stuff that like our military used to do some weird shit. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure God knows what they're up to now, but I'm sure that part hasn't come to an end at all. Did you ever like Stubblebaum, the guy who wanted warrior priests, like that they have, they walk into countries with like holding lambs?

Like, like, stuff that he, like, our military used to do some weird shit. They're so weird. Just filming really, Robbie still doesn't get it. You being so against immigration just makes you as an individual look bad. Your government wants immigrants. Robbie. Yeah, but just because the government wants it doesn't mean that people. Who cares?

My government wants to kill Russians and it wants to kill cousins. I don't care what they want. I think I've been pretty clear on this. I don't blame the migrant. I don't blame the immigrant. I get it. I would want to get here, too. I want to go and be able to suck off that tit of a developed economy, too, if I had the opportunity to that I was over there.

I blame my government for allowing this. I blame my government and the tech overlords for creating this problem. I blame my government for hating me. I blame my government for all this stuff. And that's the whole issue. It's pretty clear. It's second off the tit of a developed economy. Yes. Let's keep rolling. We got lots of more to talk about.

Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Listen. It's true. Just to point out, those developed economies, though, sucked off the tits of those countries in order for those developed countries to be what they are, meaning the starting capital for any developed nation came at the expense of those, quote, developing countries. Or do you disagree with it? I think it's a bit more complicated than that. No, was there definitely a exploitation for sure? Was there a mutual gain? Yeah, the life expectancy and what's now southern in southern Africa was like 30 during the days of British colonialism, up to the 70s. So it's collapsing for the Brits. Because the Brits were they're doing them a favor.

The Brits could say when they were. White man's burden for sure. White man's burden. What I'm saying is like, oh, we it's so hard on the white man helping these darky. Whatever. The Brits, the French, Amsterdam, all of these people. The Belgians. It didn't fit it, meaning the very fact that they were able to be developed, quote, and quote, came as a direct result of the capital that they stole and the lives that they killed.

Yeah. And the resources like, come. And more to the point they had no business being there. It wasn't their place. Yeah. Nobody asked them. Nobody needed them. Whatever.

Just like nobody asked me to open up the borders and bring in millions of people to drive down wages. So take your cake and. Guys, we have 15 minutes left to do. That's just a reminder. This is a one-hour show. We go till 10. It's 9.45. Okay, so F you so, thanks for the don't know.

Cash is getting married to his Mossad country sensation, girlfriend. I must have been love at first pegging. She uses the Valhalla strap-on of the gods. The well-dressed nerd, thanks for the dollar. Or drag their asses out and burn it down, maybe get ice cream after. Okay, did P.W. Walker, do this person die of plague or died with plague? Died of plague. Have to ask now that COVID and those with measles deaths in Pennsylvania. By the way, New York Governor Kathy Hokel has now declared a state of emergency for New York State in the measles outbreak.

Really? Because it's spread across the border from Pennsylvania. Yeah. So, Nitzki says 28-year-old female lab technician. Daria Shipilova died in Siberia after a lab accident involving a broken test tube containing plague bacteria. Can you imagine that feeling where you're just like, wait? Oh, you got it? Yeah, I got it. Oh, fuck.

Or you can stick this up with a needle. That's the other shit, right? Yeah, that happens. Definitely. Also, or if you're, you know, but I guess she didn't have her hazmat. Her hazmat suit must have been compromised or she wasn't wearing it. Okay, so let's keep moving here. So Trump suggested here he is at 32%.

The anti-immigrant people. Trump. Here's my answer. Trump says. There you go. Right there. Trump at a rally. Quickly, guys.

Trump suggested that L.A. and San Diego are expendable. And as far as he's concerned, Iran could take them out. First of all, Iran can't reach them. They're the furthest, I guess the only part of the United States that would be harder to reach would be Hawaii. But, you know, Iran doesn't have missiles that can even reach like Paris. Forget about that. But, you know, and of course people in California, like Newsom are like, how dare you? Now, I do, of course Trump is just being Trump and he's like trolling and, you know, he's, this is just, I mean, he's joking.

I mean, it's maybe not a good joke, but it's a joke. It's a halfway joke. Yeah. It's a halfway joke. I mean, there's a huge military base in San, Navy base in San Diego. I don't think he'd want to lose that. I mean, well, we've lost a lot of military bases. True, true, true.

What's one more? It's like Iran is effectively leveled much of the bases of the Persian Gulf. The U.S. military right now is. It's not in the Persian Gulf. It's way out. Like meaning it's in Syria's country like Saudi Arabia, Israel, et cetera. So don't misunderstand me. But from the standpoint of the boating and the ships and everything else, those things are far out. Right. That's true.

Nearly hit them with a ship. And it's very possible that Iran did hit them with the missile. And they just didn't necessarily want to own it. They said, okay, we are no longer going to be in this particular area. We're going to be much further back. Hence Iran saying, well, we need missiles to be able to hit further. back now because the U.S. military has gone further back. But does Trump, would he be okay if Los Angeles was hit? Maybe. I mean, I don't think, I don't, I think in reality, no. But look,

what was interesting to me was that like California politicians were calling him deranged. And I'm like, I think that part's true, not because of this remark. And I think, I mean, I'm kind of wondering if that's going to start to catch on. You know, what should say it. more should say it that should be a refrain he's deranged he's out of his mind he's losing it and deranged not in a political way deranged in a personal psychological medical way yes yeah we should because i think he is i think he is like i mean for fuck sake man we watch joe by degrade and disintegrate in that office like every day he just seemed to be here we go unless yeah he just was vanishing right this is the same it's the same and they should call it so

Okay, we got to move on. China has opened its first foreign military, its first foreign military base that was in Asia. And this one is in Laos. They opened a base in Djibouti back in 2017. This is so apparently they opened a military base and the United States never knew they were planning it, financing it, building it, nothing. And then suddenly, poof. Oh! By the way, we're here. That's a big failure of intelligence, I'd say. Yeah. And you have to wonder why that large of a failure of intelligence. I mean, do you think that the Soviet Union would have ever been able to make a base that the United States was unaware that the Soviet Union was making? No. No.

No. Right? not engaging in a similar way as the Soviet Union and the US engage. It feels different. It seems different. It looks different. It's almost like we lost, when the Soviet Union fell, we lost the faculty of being locked in in that way.

Yeah, we're not sharp. Yeah. I mean, I always said that it was going to be bad for the US, that the USSR went out of business. And it has been, it's been, it's made us flaccid and flabby in every respect. Obviously, in terms of military, you know, our military intelligence, but also, I mean, you know, in the marketplace of ideas, like the whole, well, you know, Francis Fukuyama now says it's the end of history and capitalism has triumphed now and forever, although he rolled that back recently, I guess, better 30, five years better than later. Yeah. But the point is that like socialism is ascendant once more. That wasn't supposed to happen. But the point is that capitalism hasn't had to, you know, have smooth off any of the rough edges. to provide, you know, basic, you know, basic things that human beings need in the U.S. and other Western countries. And now capitalism is being caught with its pants down.

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting you say capitalism. But you're right. Because usually somebody would, like, I'm not saying usually, but you can make the argument that it's not just a capitalistic thing. The thing that's competing with other nations is supposed to be the democratic component. Right. But not here. But the Soviet Union was literally where the common turn, which was that global headquarters of global international communism was headquartered, the Soviet Union gave orders to communist parties in places like Cuba. So it's like that was literally like the symbol of the 20th century socialist project. And it closed. And when that happened, there was triumphalism by the capitalists.

It's like, well, we've won. and now we don't have to fucking try harder. But it wasn't just that. It was also by the, there's a political economy at work that was at war in the sense of the cold war. It wasn't just, okay, we have economic systems that are fighting each other. It was also, this is supposed to be this kind of, quote, authoritarian government versus this democratic government and democracy one and blah, blah, blah.

Like, meaning they talk about it. And I guess you can look at it through both lens, but I think it's a political economy that oftentimes when you're talking about, you're talking about both. I like the fact that you use capitalism because I think that's the one that matters more. I think that's the one that eats the other. But I think it was held in line by the political component of it as long as you had an enemy that it was fighting against, meaning the capitalist side had to allow the democratic side to get benefits. Otherwise, you wouldn't have to buy in in in order to fight this existential enemy of communism that they consider themselves fighting. The flaccid part, I think,

it's right. But I think it's the most natural thing in the world. The moment that you lose this thing that you're pushing against, that you have to supply for your population, that you have to show your population is growing and developing economically. The moment that it goes away, we no longer need to have this charade. Capitalism can move in one direction, and it moves in one direction eating the political space. Now, I agree. It's, I think the moment that you won, the moment that it dropped, it's like, if I was playing sports, if I was chess reference, When I was playing chess every day, I was a monster. The moment that I stopped and I go into a tournament 10 years later, I got my ass kit.

Yeah. No, I mean, it's anybody who, you know, if you practice physically, if you, like, you've been out of whatever, you bike every day and then you stop. You're going to be rusty, yeah. Drawing is like that. Like I once went six weeks without drawing. Man, it took a long time to get back up to speed. Yeah. You know?

And by the way, the China event. is a really good example of it. It's like, okay, the enemy goes away. We would. End of history. Liberalism forever. We're going to spread it to the galaxy like in Star Trek. And then China comes up. And it's like, okay, well, you have this Chinese government that calls itself a communist government. And yet it's harnessing the capitalistic entity. And a better way that the capitalists do, right? He's like, well, that guy can use a light saber, we're better than a Jedi. It's like, yes, we can. And they use it for the benefit of their population in regards to raising 800 million people out of poverty. Okay, well, that's a challenge.

Because again, the capitalistic thing is we were able to look at what we've been able to do, freedom, justice, and we have liberty, and we have the capitalized system, and blah, blah, blah. And then you have China saying, well, we raise 800 million people out of poverty. We have the mandate of heaven because we are competent in one sense. And we're doing what we said, what we're going to do. That's a challenge. But the U.S. has it lined up to that challenge in the way we lined up to the challenge of communism and the Soviet system.

And by the way, Chinese system seems out more legs than the- Very quickly. We have one more story to cover this German spy chief story. But Paramount has given up its bid to purchase Warner Brothers. To me, that's an indication of Trump's growing weakness because this was something that Trump was midwifing. Wait, who? Paramount is not going to buy Warren.

corner. Really? Really? I mean, that's better for consumers that it not happened. Of course. No, it is. I just thought they were going to do it. Yeah, no, I thought it was a given. But definitely, that signals weakness within the deep state, right? Within the economic side of the deep state. All right, so guy named August Hanning, 80 years old, he was the head of the German version of the CIA, the Federal Intelligence Service, known as the BND, between 1998 and 2005. He's been arrested. and accused he's 80 years old of spying for a foreign country, basically selling about 2,000 key documents to this foreign country. We're not told what country that might be.

Everyone wants to say it's probably Russia. It might be Russia, but it could be Israel, right? We don't know. Right there, because they're not saying it. If it was Russia, they would just say it. Russia has bought super. That's what I think. That's what I think.

I think, you know, so I'm going to say maybe Israel. And then what's really funny is that apparently this documents, the theft of these documents came to light last year in some kind of alleged kidnap plot involving a lady who was the heir, the estranged heir to a steakhouse chain in Germany. Can't make these things up to kidnap her children from her estranged husband. So apparently when the cops were invested, the BND was, the German national police were investigating that case, they came across this August Hanning thing. August Hanning apparently was suffering financial problems.

And so he was probably motivated purely by the need for money in order to sell these documents and prepare reports about how, you know, to prepare reports about the BND for this foreign adversary. I don't know. I know it's like more of like a John Kiriaku type story. I would love to pick his brain about that. But I mean, I guess this is still, to me, this reminder here is, so you had the former, that you knew the former head of the BND had all sorts of access to intelligence that you cared about.

You knew he was having financial problems. And you didn't think that maybe you needed to slip him a few Deutschmarks to make sure that or euros to make sure that uh you know he was okay or you know what i mean check up on him i mean it would just seem to me like you shouldn't give all sorts of information important information to someone who's broke but did they know he was broke i mean this stuff might have came like during an investigation probably it's a weakness of capitalism though right like you're trusting people then you kick them then they leave they go and get old and maybe they get poor and old and then they need money and they don't know who to turn to,

and then some guy with the Tel Aviv accent shows up and offers them some money, and, you know, hey, okay. Yeah, with the Tel Aviv accent, goes up. Yeah, I mean, they probably, yeah, I agree with you. They probably just didn't know. And God, man, just imagine you're doing an investigation

about a potential kidnapping, and this comes into your lap. Yeah, you're like, how weird is that? You're like, Hans, look at this. Let me eat some schnitzel. Let's have schnapps and discuss this. It's like, you're drinking your beer and all of a sudden it's like, hey, I think this guy's being bribed.

It's like, what? What's going on? Like, what? Yeah, it would be like finding that like George Tenet was like working for the Chinese or something. Yeah, that's shit's wild. That's so wild. I mean, look, people are susceptible. And yeah, they don't necessarily, I mean, some of this stuff, they expect on nationalistic lines that you're not due. But when people get desperate. Totally. No doubt about it.

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