DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Bibi Strikes Back”

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou explain a cornered Israel’s bizarre threats to get “even” for its increasing isolation following its genocide in Gaza, America��s escalating war against international justice, the Tom Honan bribery scandal, and Trump’s attempt to rein in the H1B visa program.Palestinian Statehood: At the UN General Assembly, Britain, Canada, and Australia formally recognize Palestinian statehood, coordinating with Portugal, San Marino, Luxembourg and other countries to try to pressure Israel into stopping the brutal humanitarian catastrophe it has created in Gaza, now joined by France. Leaders like Keir Starmer invoke the two-state solution, while a manic Netanyahu shouts that no such state will ever be created. Israel Threatens to Annex the West Bank: Netanyahu's far-right allies, including Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, urge West Bank annexation as “retaliation” for Palestinian recognition. Coalition hardliners demand sovereignty over "Judea and Samaria," eyeing 22% of the territory—90% in Area C—despite UAE warnings of downgraded ties and Arab backlash threatening the Abraham Accords. Israeli officials consider expulsions of diplomats and full absorption.U.S. Sanctions on the ICC: The United States considers blanket sanctions against the International Criminal Court as soon as this week, jeopardizing its operations in retaliation for its investigations into Israeli war crimes. Court officials convene emergency meetings to brace for disruptions, including halted staff payments and frozen bank access, prompting advance salary disbursements for the rest of 2025 and hunts for alternative banking providers.Tom Homan Bribery Scandal: Trump's border czar faces scrutiny after undercover FBI agents recorded him accepting $50,000 in cash in Texas last September, allegedly for promising immigration contract favors post-election. The Biden-era Justice Department launched a bribery investigation, weighing charges like conspiracy and fraud, but the Trump administration abruptly shuts it down, dismissing findings as a "political witch hunt" lacking credible evidence. The sting originated from a separate counterintelligence probe, underscoring tensions over Homan's role in mass deportations amid outsourcing to private firms.Trump's H-1B Visa Fee Hike: The Trump administration shocks employers by slapping a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visa applications, targeting skilled workers in tech and beyond to curb "artificially low labor costs" undercutting Americans. Companies like Amazon and Microsoft scramble, advising H-1B holders abroad to rush returns amid confusion, though the White House clarifies exemptions for current holders and no travel bans.

Good afternoon and happy Monday. Thanks for joining us. You're watching Deep Program with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou. Thanks for being here. How are you, Ted? I have no idea if my camera is new and improved. I just installed it while we were doing the countdown, but we shall see. So if anybody has any feedback, positive or negative, please let me know.

I was told it would improve my fuzziness. It looks good, actually. It does? Yeah, it looks good. Now, I'm on my phone because I stupidly left my laptop across town, but on my phone, it looks crystal clear. Well, you look good, you know, on your phone. So sometimes you look worse on your laptop, so who can tell, right? So we'll have to talk about today.

Just as we opened the show, the ABC just broke the news that free speech hero and lion is Jimmy Kimmel, the bravest social commentator in American history is returning to the airwaves tomorrow night. Woo-hoo! No, seriously, I was against what happened to him. But we don't really know what the discussions were between them. We can speculate on that. But anyway, that just happened.

Obviously, the big news of the day and the week is the UN General Assembly here in New York City. Basically, everyone's recognizing Palestine, all the cool kids, the not cool kids, everybody is. And the Israelis are freaking out. And so is the United States. The U.S. is now thinking of the Trump administration is considering blanket sanctions against the international criminal.

It's like they're the ones you're supposed to impose sanctions on you. Hey, Tim, did you happen to catch Marco Rubio's comments to the media after the declaration of normalization of relations with the Palestinians this morning. He was trying to be as threatening as he could be, and he was utterly unconvincing. He said things like, he warned these other countries that this was only going to make the situation worse for Palestinians. And if they wanted to make things better for Palestinians, then they shouldn't recognize Palestine. And it's like, buddy, how much worse could it possibly get? Like, you are utterly, completely, totally unconvincing.

And it was so obvious that this is just what Netanyahu told him to tell the press. That no, no, the Israelis are threatened. The thing is, John, the Israelis are now threatening to annex the entire West Bank, like later this week. Yeah, you know what? Nobody gives the shit anymore. because nobody's going to recognize that anyway. Well, that's true. And the Israelis are going to do what the Israelis are going to do.

Yeah, exactly. And they've had plenty of time to act decently, and we know they're not. So obviously we have to break down the situation in Palestine. Tom Holman, he came out that basically it was like a, John, I had like an abscam flashback. He literally took a bag, a gunnysack of $50,000 last fall before he was. elected anything before he was appointed to anything but basically he knew he was going to be the deportation czar for trump if he was elected if a trump got elected and he was already accepting bribes ahead of time you have to assume that i mean of course it was a sting operation

you have to assume that this guy is greedy as hell i mean greedy as hell yeah and there's the h1b situation, which I'm going to say, here I come not to condemn Trump, but to praise him on this matter, so we can talk about that too. And there's Kimmel and there's other stuff and there's always the questions from our brilliant watchers. So what do you think, John? What should we do first? You know, I would really like to address this Holman situation first, if you don't mind. Oh, yeah, please. Because like you, I was reminded immediately of abscad. Now, for those of our viewers who don't remember abscamp, this took place in 1981, where FBI agents dressed up like Arab sheikhs and bribed a U.S. senator and several members of the House of Representatives. Of course, it was a sting operation.

Some of them went to prison. All of them ended up being heaved out of Congress. But the message was that bribery is wrong, wrong, wrong. you should not do it. So now here we have Tom Holman, who's the head of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, and he's taking, literally, he's taking a sack full of money as a bribe. It's caught on camera because it's a sting operation. And President Trump said, oh, he didn't do anything wrong, leave him alone.

They're not asking that he resigned. And in fact, the president said today, his job is perfectly safe and he will not permit the Justice Department to file charges. We're in the twilight zone, Ted. There was another thing that's similar, that's parallel. You know, Donald Trump has been saying for weeks, months, that he wants to prosecute Leticia James and everybody else, whoever did him wrong. Well, last week, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, which is the espionage court, resigned under pressure from Trump. Trump now today named a loyal Justice Department official to be the new U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, and he has ordered her to prosecute Leticia James in EDVA. She can't.

Lettisha James is not accused of having committed a crime. in the Eastern District of Virginia. There is no connection to the venue. They can't do it. But Trump said on Truth Social last night that he has ordered the Justice Department to begin to begin going after, arresting, and prosecuting his political enemies.

He came right out and set it on Truth's Social. And so we're in uncharted waters right now. We don't know where this is going to go, if anywhere. And Congress hasn't said anything. Nobody has the guts in Congress to say anything. And then today, the Supreme Court ruled that Trump is allowed to fire the last remaining Democrat on the Federal Trade Commission. So all that does is it gives the Republicans a very temporary win, and it's a little incremental win. But what the Supreme Court has done is they've essentially said, when the Democrats win the White House, which they will, they can fire all the Republicans and put yes men in all of their positions.

So nice country, our leaders are giving us these days. Well, you're assuming the Democrats would even have the balls to inflict retribution, which there's very little evidence of that. I mean, you know, I mean, I adjust, but I kind of, I mean, they won't. They might, but I mean, you're right, they can, and they would be tempted to, and there will certainly be that discussion. I mean, yeah, I mean, the Tom Holman thing is disgusting. I mean, he was caught unacceptable.

Dead to rights. He's dirty. He's corrupt. I'm not saying he should definitely go to jail. You know, I don't think they could convict him, you know, because he wasn't holding office at the time. So, you know, I mean, I can give you $50,000 if I want. You're a private citizen. Why not? But, I mean, so it's like a pre-bribe, a proto-bribe.

But, I mean, but like we know, but I mean, I would say basically at the moment that he took the, he, that he decided to, I guess he's sworn in to his duties as, you know, the ICE czar, that he should have been, he should have told, you know, his bosses, hey, I got to, this happened, I should give this back, right? Right. I mean, you would think. I mean, that would you or I would do. Sure.

Well, I wouldn't have taken the money in the first. No, and if you're going to take a bribe, you know, just like we always used to say the CIA, if you're going to steal, don't steal $20. Right. million dollars if you're going to take a bribe and you're going to risk not just your career and your reputation but your freedom don't take 50,000 measly dollars totally millions of dollars no for sure i mean these these guys i mean that's you know my ex-wife used to always say that about congressmen who would be caught with like a three thousand dollar bribe she would be like they're not just horrors they're like crack horrors they're cheap as shit you know you can buy them off for nothing i mean it's it's almost worse than the fact that they're dirty is that they don't they'll sell out their their civic virtue for for nothing for pennies on the dollar disgusting um you know me we'll okay i hesitate to ask this john but tom's tom homen's going to survive this right because the boss

doesn't care no i'm afraid he is if if you don't have a president who's going to put his foot down in demand that you resign if you have a an attorney general who will refuse to prosecute you or refuse to allow you to be prosecuted, then, yeah, you've got no problems. But then at the same time, see how many pegs we fall on the United Nations corruption list for next year. All right, questions.

Most importantly, Ray, Clovis is at his secret undisclosed location. He'll be back tomorrow. Okay, so Stephen Victor Andrews outraged at how a low-rated TV show got canceled. I mean, I was censored a dozen of times, over the years at the behest of the official and unofficial government. But I'm really worried about a TV guide.

Okay, Ryan Jude, what's up with India? Mostly Modi supporting India, Israel so much. That is a good question. Yeah, it's a good question. What does Modi get out of it? That I actually can't answer. I understand that Modi wants to take a step back from the United States. Frankly, I would too if I were Modi, especially when he knows that his bread is buttered

by the Chinese and the Russians and the Brazilians and the South Africans and the Iranians and everybody else that's involved in bricks. But as to Modi's closeness with Israel, I have no explanation whatsoever. And this question, I know I'm going to giggle. And I shouldn't. EFUSO. So, thank you for the donation.

Do you think Kirk had super bones? Was it Jesus who made the bullet stay in Kirk? So no one else's got shot, hashtag miracle. So for people who don't follow social media, What this is about is that the psychopaths who gathered yesterday in Arizona to memorialize Charlie Kirk literally, you know, it's not enough for them to say that literally he is a biblical prophet like John the Baptist, okay, or Joshua, like Moses, an actual prophet. They said that over and over and over yesterday. But a lot of people in Maga World are saying that the bullet should have traveled through him and then hit other people and that like a savior, like a soldier, heroic soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save his buddy. His extremely miraculous Jesus body thickly prevented that from happening.

Ted, did you send me the tweet from the self-described prophetess? No, I think that was Robbie. Oh, is it Robbie? Yeah. So this self-described prophetess, unless Robbie wants to come on and- Yeah, hey, Robbie. Put on your pants. Here we go. There we go.

Pants are on. Okay. Fire away. Tell us about the prophetess and what she saw when she went to heaven yesterday. Actually, that wasn't me. I don't know about the prophetess. I do have my own questions about the ballistics, but I don't know anything about that. Ballistics and then we'll do the profit.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, give us the ballistics. Okay, so as someone who has done a lot of shooting with a 30-0-6 rifle. The weapon used to kill Charlie Kirk. Correct. Specifically, Mousers. They just have an old Argentine Mouser made in 1890s, beautiful gun. If you shoot a, if you shoot one, a standard round at 200 yards, it's easily going over Mach 2 speed.

That's one of the reasons why that they're used here in Montana to take them big game. Now, the question that I had was if they, did they release your information on the bullet? Because it seems like to me, if you're going to be doing this, you use a hunting round because it's just to be more effective against, against tissue. Well, it comes to find out, the government hasn't released anything at all. They've released an autopsy. They've released statistics on the bullet. And instead, I found out that they said that this 30 out six bullet lodged up under the skin, which as someone who,

who, like I said, who does this stuff a lot before I started losing my eyesight, that does not happen. If a 30-0-6 round hits a neck bone, it blows the bone out. I have seen this. It works. What they're saying, it makes zero sense. And so the question that I have is, why is the government lying about this? Because all you got to do is just hop on rock. Hop on Google. Well, it's not the government really lying. It's government officials who are basically playing the roles of who are forgetting that they are government officials, which is why they're engaged in this partisan hackery that we saw yesterday. But basically just running off with the mouth, they don't, I mean, this is not an official,

you know, coroner's report or anything or a police investigation or anything like that. Nothing's been released, which is wild, because if they wanted to tramp the clamp down on, on conspiracy theories, I got this released the report. That's it. I mean, I don't understand, I don't understand why. I mean, they've got the shooter, supposedly. So why sit on it? It makes no sense to me.

Well, I mean, I think what's interesting is like just the level of hysteria and, you know, it's just the way that this has been exploited. It's so insanely over the top. I mean, I was reminded, I mean, of course, this is one of my big controversies. but the Pat Tillman Memorial Service, which was also in Arizona, presided over by war-mongering John McCain. And, you know, he basically tried, they were trying to, same sort of thing, flags everywhere, eagles everywhere. But, I mean, they didn't have the, this one had it all. It had fireworks when the widow walked out on stage. I mean, you know, nothing says class like fireworks and, you know, somber memorial service.

I don't know, the whole thing. I mean, the aesthetics of it really deserve, like, a deep dive, right? I mean, of the event. I mean, about what it says, what was really interesting to me was all the discussion about, like, Charlie United America at the same event where the people, all the speakers are talking about how half the country sucks and killed Charlie Kirk. You know, how is there a, you know, you can't have vengeance and retribution and unity. you got to choose I think that's pretty obvious which way that they've chosen

I mean Trump himself said that no he hates his enemies I am your retribution that's what he said before he was elected all right Robbie before I take you out sure please remind everyone why they have to go watch us on Rumble

yeah so there's a couple reasons why you want to watch us on Rumble one part four of John's interview will be releasing next month as a Rumble exclusive it's a good one too so if you want to see that come over to Rumble

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boot and buy gaming stuff too selfless self-plug also frankly Rumble pays a hell of a lot more and also Rumble does not censor the way that YouTube does so if you don't have conversations about

ballistics and about what I think is going on with Charlie Kirk. I don't think that shot in the neck that we saw was an entrance wound. I think it's an exit wound. I can't have that conversation on Rumble or on, I haven't, we can have that conversation on Rumble, but on YouTube because YouTube will blow us up. So there is that. So I'm going to go away now and y'all keep on going.

Thank you. You can take your pants off now. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, did you have a chance to watch that event yesterday? Excerpts? I did. What do you think? I did.

I thought it was frightening to tell you the truth. It was frightening. There's a lot of anger. There's a lot of hatred. There's a lot of division. And there are a lot of people in positions of authority who believe a lot of crazy things. Oh, which brings me back to this prophetess. Oh, yes.

Thank you. Sorry about it. So this prophetess, whose name I did not recognize, said that she, was taken to heaven yesterday. God took her to heaven yesterday and she saw God chatting with Charlie Kirk and Charlie had wings. Did God have a podcast? And God was talking to him and God gave him a quiver full of arrows and the arrows were made of light. There were 1,000 arrows and they were made of light. And God told her to come back down to earth and tell people that Charlie's in good shape. He's in good hands.

Dude, that's awesome. I love it. I mean, and the thing is, what the fuck? What's wrong with people? And you know, there's going to be people who repeat this dutifully, like, no, that's happened. He's, he's hanging with God. I saw. Holy shit. I don't know, man. I don't know what to say.

Yeah, well, all right. We were going to talk about this. So we should, might as well talk about it. Rocklight. What's our opinion on the H-1B visa fee? I was surprised that there was no plan announced with the implementation bill. Oh, I'm never surprised when there's no plan announced with the implementation. No plan.

I mean, planning isn't really Donald Trump's thing. It's like, hey, draft up the executive order. I assume they had all the executive orders stacked up and on a schedule. before he took office. And it's like... Basically, they're written in the period between the election and inauguration.

I'm convinced of that. It's like, oh, it's September 22nd. Oh, this... We're doing this one. We're doing the H-1B that day. And they're all spaced out very carefully. I'm convinced of that. They're all stacked up.

But, okay, so they... So basically the H-1B visa fee is very simple. If a company wants to hire someone you know, under the H-1B program, they have to pay the federal government $100,000. So it's very Trumpy. It's like, well, we also want to get money, you know. So in other words, it's not really about principle.

It's not really about hiring Americans. It's about, like, you know, it's about grifting and bringing in some more money into the treasury. But also, it is going to, it obviously is going to discourage a lot of people, a lot of companies from doing these. They're saying that there may be exceptions for doctors, which frankly is a good idea. But I've got to say, good for Donald Trump. I don't say that very often, but I hate the H-1B visa program. As a former engineering student, I know and have heard and have read about countless cases of people who are unemployed and underemployed STEM workers, especially people who got laid off in their 40s or 50s and can't get work, who are brilliant, who are American citizens. And then, you know, there's this feeder that comes in from one, you know, basically the vast

majority of them are coming not only just from India, but they're coming through one company in India to feed to feed Amazon and Apple and Alphabet and all these companies in Silicon Valley. They bring in these people. They work them like dogs. They know that they, you know, they can do that. They can underpay them because otherwise, you know, it's. If they don't play ball, they get kicked back and sent back to India. And if they don't want that, they're not going to go along with it.

There's been countless documented cases of American citizens being told that they were being laid off. But before they left, they have to train their H-1B visa replacement. And for the record, this program, according to the law, says it's only when an employer can't find an American to do the job that they have to go into, they have to look over. C's, you know, it kills me to think that, like, if I graduated with a physics degree, I might have had to compete against someone who is willing to take, you know, say, 25% less for the same exact job. It's bullshit. I mean, as far as there's one, as long as there's one American who's either qualified or

could be trained, and that's an important point, could be trained to do the job, I don't want anyone, I don't want any H-1B visas issued whatsoever. if they can't find anyone and there's no one's smart enough in this country to do the job who can be trained then okay fine you can look overseas that's my take i have to agree with you and i'm thinking that despite the fact that it was rolled out very unprofessionally i think that the bottom line is probably a good one um so many of these tech companies love to hire indians and Chinese because they'll work for a quarter of what an American worker might command. And so if you make it more expensive to hire the Indian or to hire the Chinese or Taiwanese, then maybe this is

actually a good thing for American workers. I have to think it will be. To tell the truth, I'm willing to, I'm willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this and see how it plays out. But I think that on paper, it looks like a good idea. This is an interesting. between the progressive left and MAGA world. I mean, we all, I mean, Bernie Sanders, AOC, me, people, we've all been complaining about this for years. And so this is a place, you know, it does show that there is a possibility for left and right to get together on some things.

Question for you, John, from Houdini. Did you ever work with Marty? I don't know who that is. Okay. Ted, forgive me. Um, my sound is terrible. I'm going to, I'm going to leave the room and then come back in. Okay. All right. So I will, I will, uh, I will hold down the fort for a little bit while John leaves the room and then I'll put him back in. Let's see what other questions we have here. Of course, now I'm not able. Oh, there we go. Okay. Let's see. That's a John question. Oh, Alicia wants to know who was the last upstanding trustworthy person. president. You know, I mean, it's a little bit of a cliche. There's John. All right, I'll put

him back. That sounds much better. Oh, good, good. We have a question, which is, who was the least, the last trustworthy president? And I was about to say probably Jimmy Carter was probably fairly trustworthy. Yeah. And I think Gerald Ford was probably fairly trustworthy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not i mean you know most of what they say is true i mean least untrustworthy i mean obviously this we enough has been said about this one but i mean god i mean bush was such a sack um and uh you know andrew johnson was i made me he was honest he was just a turd um you know when you get yourself impeached john johnson andrew johnson andrew johnson yeah he well he was drunk all the presidency. And he was such a racist piece of shit that that was part of the reason that he

got impeached in 1868. I mean, when you get impeached for being too racist by a bunch of other white dudes, rich white dudes in 1860s, you're a racist piece of shit. You can say that again. So who did he was asking? I'm sorry, at the 1864 inauguration, Andrew Johnson was so drunk that he could. couldn't give his vice presidential inauguration address and afterwards mrs lincoln said to her husband like you've got to be kidding me this was the only guy it's hard it's hard to find good help um did john did you ever work with marty who dd o nine wants to know marty yes i marty was my immediate supervisor in uh alec station i and and listen i marty and i were friends from 199

we served in we served in a Middle Eastern country together who Dini knows who Marty is who's Marty like why is that a famous person Marty Marty's out there in the news now every once in a while we're talking about Marty well we're talking about Marty I'm not going to say because he's a dick he testified against me

in the grand jury in 2012 and I ran into him about four years ago and I said Marty what the fuck I said we were friends for decades and you testified against me in the grand jury you didn't even have anything thing to do with my case.

And he said, you know, I really regret it, but they were just looking for somebody to trash you. And I was in town and they pressured me. I was like, shame on you, man. What the fuck? Shame on you. That's really lame. I was in town.

Yeah. That's awesome. They were just looking for people. They were trying to get people together just to trash me before this grand jury. Because remember, I had been a rest. arrested in January of 2012, but I had not been indicted by a grand jury. And my lawyer is like, what do you mean you haven't been indicted? And I said, no, there's not been a grand jury.

He said, oh, this is political, my lead attorney, this is political. So we made a motion to throw out the charges because I hadn't even been indicted by a grand jury. And so as fast as they could, they called the grand jury together. they got all my former enemies from the agency to testify against me over the course of four or five days and then they indicted me and they said ha now you're indicted i always had a great deal of respect for marty he was one of the best most gifted natural case officers i ever meant but when it came time to show honor he fucked you his was out to lunch yeah uh thank you for the dollar donation

couldn't agree more. Kirk's funeral was right out of idiocracy. That's how I felt. It was weird, man. It was, yeah, it's, I mean, these are weird times. U.S. Triple X. Arod, thanks for the donation. How can the public trust any of the details the FBI came out with, it's run by a buffoon.

We'd rather release select details and talk about Valhalla than actually investigate. He's right. How do we trust the FBI? We can't trust the FBI. FBI. No, no. I mean, I think you could run, you could trust the agency writ large maybe at one point, but not with this guy. Marble, why did you take a genocide for the West to finally recognize Palestine? I hate to ask that question, but either they're a state or not. I love that question. That's a great question. That's an important question. Look, to me, this situation is a lot like

East Timor. And I used to have this conversation with my father-in-law. who was Taiwanese. He was a big Taiwanese independence activist. And he was like, when is America going to give us our independence? When are they going to go to the Chinese and say, leave Taiwan alone? I'm like, that's never going to happen, ever. I mean, first of all, the Americans are selling too many weapons and enjoying the whole split. And they love using Taiwan to fuck with China.

This will go on forever. And I was like, but I was like, if you guys ever want your independence, you're going to have to do like East Timor. you're going to have to declare it. And then maybe, and he said, but then the Chinese will invade. I'm like, I don't think so, but they might, and they might kill a bunch of Taiwanese people. And that's the price you pay for freedom. I mean, that's what happens when you are, you know, when you're fighting a much bigger power. And I think what happened, what's happening with Israel is the same sort of thing.

The Israelis had to go to the mat in order, I mean, they had to, they had to kill. as many gossans as they possibly could before and john i don't see you um oh yeah if your cameras off i see you i see you there you are so i felt like the um so i mean i think that basically the world was never i mean humas was right the world didn't was not was moving away from the palestinian cause they did not care they passed the amazon the amazon the abraham accords they were going to completely throw the they threw the Palestinians under the bus that Saudis were going to normalize relations with Israel no one gave a shit Hamas needed a game changer and they made a game changer and you could argue about the details and I have but um I think it required I mean to me

the purpose of terrorism is to you know is to expose your enemy as monsters so if you say look the America the Israelis and the Americans are monstrous anti-Muslim a imperialist murderer assholes, and then you poke at them and you attack them and you make them violently over the top, overreact, or you prompt them to do so, then they've made your case for you. And I think that's what happened. I think it was a October 7th was a huge political success for the Palestinians and for Hamas. Yeah, I agree. I think that's, that's Exactly right. You know what, I can't disagree with anything you said. I looked at a map in the Washington Post today of countries around the world that recognize Palestine and countries that

don't. And, you know, we talk about it here in the United States, like it's this really big, momentous decision that's going to change the course of humankind. The countries that don't recognize Palestine are the United States, Norway, Sweden, Greece, Germany and Austria, and that's pretty much it. The rest of the world has always recognized Palestine, or has for years. So, no, we make it sound like it's this momentous, cataclysmic decision. No, it's not at all. Well, it's also everyone can read their polls, right?

I mean, recognizing Palestine is probably the only popular thing Emmanuel Macron has done in years. See? And look at, and the latest polls are out. The vast majority of Americans writ large, not just Democrats, now sympathize more with the Palestinian cause than the Israelis. By the way, about the magic bullet, turning point USA executive producer Andrew Colvitt, says Broomhild, claimed the surgeon told him that Charlie's healthy bones stopped the bullet. He also said the coroner found it beneath the skin. I just cannot believe that any of that is true. We saw the video, we all saw the video.

It did catastrophic damage to the man's neck. It didn't hit a bone. In a tenth of, in a hundredth of a second. That's right. Not a fringe leftist, but a mainstream leftist murdered Charlie Kirk, says Phil. All of the lies says he was a racist, sexist, fascist, Nazi were literally a death warrant. never mind that they were all lies. Phil, I'm going to agree.

I'm not going to, look, I'm not going to break down the exact specifics of Charlie Kirk's ideology. Even if Charlie Kirk was a racist, sexist asshole across the board, he absolutely there's no, that he did not have that coming. But he wasn't. It's true. Like when I went back to look at,

you know, he wasn't Mr. Cumbaya, okay? This is a guy who had a hit list on professors that he wanted to have fired because they were too liberal from professor. So that's like, that's a fascist kind of thing to do. But the point is overall, he was kind of a garden variety right winger. And I don't think, you know, I mean, it's true that he would, when you look for like

the terrible racist stuff, he was like snoddy about affirmative action. Hell, so am I. I hate affirmative action. I mean, you know, it's like, so whatever. I mean, I agree. You know, I mean, I think that's important. anal ape wants to know it felt like we were heading towards a populist versus establishment realignment away from left versus right that's why i loved john agreeing 100% with

tucker since the shooting left versus right got a boost well liberal versus conservative got a boost yeah i think the populist i think the realignment is still there it's just waiting to come out after all this madness if this madness fades i talked to Tucker yesterday about this he he had just gotten back from phoenix and and he told me that for the very first time in his life he genuinely fears for the future of the country and and i said i have to agree i i've never experienced this kind of of hatred amongst americans before i mean you know we have we have political problems and issues and demonstrations and you know think of think of the summer of 68 and the assassinations of martin luther king and bobby kennedy

But I've never genuinely feared for the country like I did today. No, me neither. I mean, this is, I mean, this is, this is peak. We've gone full retard for sure here. So let's see. Michael, Vilov wants to know, wants to talk about France. Byroux lasted less than a week. Yeah, I mean, France is in real trouble.

You know, congratulations. I did. Congratulations. on Ms. Emmanuel Macron. Look, definition of insanity, doing the same shit over and over. That's what's going on here. I mean, Macron was told in no uncertain terms by the voters when he called the election last year,

the French voters want the far left and shortly, or the far right. And it's pretty close, right? The far left is a little ahead of the far right. The far right's a little better organized, although last year it was a shining moment for the left. But they don't want center-right austerity bullshit. Nobody wants that. And he keeps coming back with that over and over and over.

The French are freaking out. This is going to get ugly. We are going to see May 68. I mean, it's France is blowing up. And, you know, I hate that because France is my stopgap measure. Yeah, I know, right? In case of emergency, Ryan Jude, what flavor of engineering were you asking? me. I'm a quality engineer. So if I'd graduated, I would have been an applied physicist and

nuclear engineer. I used to joke that like, you know, Saddam Hussein would have loved to have met me because I did know how to make an atomic bomb. Hey, Ted, before we go on, I know Robbie's telling us we have an ad and I don't want you to miss it. Okay, Robbie, go ahead and pop that sucker up there and I'll read it. John, you're a spiritual man. What makes the prophetess is his clear? claim any different than any other theology? Good question. I just tend to generally think that everybody's nuts. I'm in Los Angeles right now. I'm staying with my brother, and my brother is an adamant atheist. I even saw, he wrote a check. I didn't even know people still wrote checks, but there's a check on his kitchen counter to the freedom from information, a freedom

from Religion Foundation. He just hates all organized religion. He wants to be active against it. He thinks everybody's nuts. And you know what? After the Archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Church threatened to excommunicate me a couple of months ago, I've been really sour on organized religion. Oh, I'm sorry.

I mean, that's just one asshole, although he's quite an asshole. Yeah, here we go. Let's read this ad. You've probably noticed Rumble is growing fast and it's not slowing down. they're building a real alternative to big tech that puts creators first and actually protects free speech. And now there's Rumble Premium, an easy way to upgrade your experience. With Premium, you get ad-free viewing across the platform. No pre-rolls, no interruptions, just the content you came for.

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from China and India that have a far better education? Good point. It is a good point. And maybe we'd have a higher educational attainment level if we didn't make it the most expensive product you can buy after buying a house. I mean, it's literally a college education at a four-year school is 400 grand now. I mean, and let me add this. And I'm going to preface it. I'm going to preface what I say by saying that I'm neither confirming nor denying that this is the case. I'm just saying as an observation. What kind of predicament does this put the CIA in where the CIA, where the CIA wants Chinese scientists to come and work in big tech, so the CIA can recruit them and send them back to China to then be agents in place.

I wonder if Tulsi brings that up to the Donald. I doubt. That's a good question, though. That is a really, really good point, John. That would never have occurred to me. This question is also for you from Thief. You once mentioned talking to a poppy farmer who talks. talked about an American in jeans telling him to grow poppies.

Can you talk more about this? Are they CIA? 1,000% yes. I probably sat in the same area of cubicles with whoever it was who told the guy. But yeah, that was clearly a CIA officer, just like, I mentioned yesterday on a podcast here in Los Angeles, there was a human rights, an important human rights, like internationally known human rights figure who told me that he had a witness who was 12 years old at the time of the 2001 dashi-lelele massacre in northern Afghanistan.

And what his new source was telling him, the source was 12 years old at the time of the massacre, was that at the site of the massacre where 2,000 Taliban soldiers were suffocated to death. I've heard more than that. Oh, it's bad. No, it was about 2,000. That was all that the trucks could hold. but there were two men at the site of the massacre wearing jeans and black t-shirts and speaking English.

And directing traffic. Who could it possibly be on November 30th and December 1st, 2001 in Dachie Lely, Afghanistan, speaking English and wearing blue jeans? Yeah, I met James Dolan, the director of the film Afghan Massacre. and talked to him extensively about that. And like, you know, there's never been any accountability from Obama had promised to do something and he never did. Well, may I talk about that for a minute? Yeah, let's talk about it because, by the way, I was, you know, I was right there.

That was like where I was at that time. So Barack Obama said during the 2008 campaign that he was going to order an investigation into the Dosti-Laley Masker. What happened was on November 30th and December 1st, 2001, thousand Taliban soldiers en masse gave up to the Northern Alliance. They were captured in Missouri Sharif. That's right. Missouri Sharif. So they asked

the CIA, what do we do with these Taliban? And the CIA said... This was a Rushid Dostom project. The CIA said, truck them out to the desert, hold them in the desert until we can divide them up and send them to smaller jails around the country.

Because there was no jail in Afghanistan that early on in the war that could hold 2,000 people. As you said, this was Abdurashid Dostim, one of the most vile, one of the darkest and most murderous men in modern Afghan history. I know. I had to ask him for a favor and I had to go to visit him and it is, it was, it was, it was weird to say the least. He said to me once, he said, you don't like me very much, do you? And I said, no, sir, I don't. I think you're a cold-blooded murderer. And he sure fucking was.

Oh, he laughed like that. I mean, he literally was the guy, the reason that Kabul looked the way it did was him. Yeah, it's exactly right. So, um, they trucked all these Taliban out to the desert. No water. One of the 14 survivors out of the 2000 said that when they opened the trucks,

the bodies fell out like, sardines from a can because there were no air holes, there was no water, there was no food, they all suffocated. And as jokers, the Northern Alliance guys, some of them shot holes into the tank into the shipping containers. That's right. Like, oh, you want some air here. We'll give you some air. And they just shot them and killed them. I went up there in 2009. And you go to the site of where the trucks were opened up and there are human bones just all over the place and clothing just sticking out of the ground it's grisly so it's it's it's it's the killing fields of nor than it very much very much so so i told john carrie i'm going to fly out to mazary shirif and i want to get to the bottom of this

i know abdrashid dostum did this and i believe that the cia if it wasn't directly involved the cia watched it unfold they did nothing to stop it 100%. We even know the name of the unit and everything. Oh, sure. So I went out there. I thought it was special forces had something to do with it, too. That wouldn't surprise me, but there were way more CIA than there were special forces at that point. So I went out there and I came back and I told Kerry, you know, there are human bones sticking out of the ground. And they didn't even bother to bury the bodies.

They just left them there in the desert. So I wrote a letter under Carey's auto pen signature to the CIA, and I said, we have this witness that came forward. And I said, was the CIA at the site of where the trucks were opened? So six weeks later, a colleague of mine came into my office and said, very casually, he said, hey, the agency sent you a response to your letter. And I said, I didn't see any response from the agency. I just checked my mail an hour ago. And he said, well, they classified it top secret.

And at the time, I only had a secret clearance. And I said, well, what did it say? And he said, it says, go fuck yourself. And that's essentially what it said. They were like, who the fuck do you think you are? We're not answering these questions. And then that was the end of it. So I went to Kerry.

And Carrie said, you know, I think we should probably just kill this investigation. And I thought, yeah, of course we should. because all you want is to be Secretary of State. You don't give a shit about the truth. Yeah, I mean, it was on purpose. Sure, it was. I mean, yeah, and it was thousands. Yeah, so these Taliban guys, right?

They were the guys who couldn't catch the... The whole thing is so corrupt, right? So in the closing days of the U.S. invasion in the fall of 2001, for people who aren't as familiar with this as you and I, are so Kabul was like the last major thing to fall but right before that the second too important thing to fall was Mazzari Sharif and when it did there were thousands of Taliban who surrendered and and then the Bush administration actually flew a lot of them on planes over to Pakistan right and release them right so you know like we weren't really that serious about nailing the Taliban

And my understanding is there were some Al-Qaeda guys there, too. Well, remember, we were not at war with the Taliban. That's true. We didn't have a beef with Taliban. In those early days, it was just Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda. And then there are these Taliban guys getting involved. So they flew them away, and they went to Pakistan. But not everyone made the planes.

And the plane stopped running. And it's like those who fell in, and they'd up packed inside the shipping containers without any water. you know and it can be a well over 100 degrees in the desert in northern afghanistan hotter inside the shipping container i'm sure a lot hotter you know they baked in there i mean it's like a like a kid in a car with the windows up it's exactly like that i'll never forget it the guy said the kid said that they fell out of the the shipping container like sardines from a can it's disgusting yeah yeah i mean it's one of the biggest war crime

in U.S. history. Absolutely. I mean, it's like much bigger than Mili, I think. In terms of sheer numbers. Was what, 35 people at Mila? 100 people, whatever? We're talking about thousands, all it was.

Yep. Hey, thanks for the Mountain 16. Thanks very much for the donation. This is a tourist question for you, John. Hi, from Mike and Nottingham. John, my sister, is going to roads in October. Any cool and interesting? interesting places there you'd recommend.

Oh, my gosh, yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay, first, the most important thing is the, is the Crusader, the walled crusader town. It's called Ipaillapoli, the old city, and it's right where the ships let you off. The cruise ships let you off. So it dates from the 13th century, and it's one of the most magnificent places in the world. Number one, just outside the old city is something that used to be called Montesmese. myth, which is a colonial name.

It's now called the Acropolis of Rhodes. And it's a mountain that overlooks roads, and it has a temple of Apollo at the top of it. Magnificent view. Then if you go down, there are three ancient cities of roads. There's Lindos, Yalisos, and Camiros. So Lindos is on the east coast. Don't miss Lindos. It's probably the most beautiful spot on the entire island, and there's a magnificent

acropolis. So it's walled, and then there's a temple of. of Athena up there, Lindy and Athena. The other two ancient cities, one is my paternal village. Camiros is a little bit inland. So Lindos, the ancient city was at the top of the mountain. Gamitos, the ancient city was going up the mountain, and you can go tour the ruins, and there's a wonderful museum there.

Our village, Yalizos, they know that the ancient, city was there somewhere, and then every few years, a 2,500-year-old statue will wash up on shore. So they know it's there. They can't quite exactly find it. But that's what you want to do in roads. Yalisos and Camiros and the village of Monolithos, which has, that's where the word monolith comes from. And it's got a castle at the very top of the monolith. And then on the east coast lindos but the the old city of roads is absolutely magnificent you can just get lost wandering around the the cobblestone streets okay um question um what would how let me there was oh yeah i like this one brunhild what's the deal with uh ex al qaeda akmed al shara coming to the

U.S. to meet with Mr. Little Marco Rubio. It's, uh, Petraeus even sat down with them and said he was a fan. Yeah. Well, it's not the first time we've ever dealt with radical, uh, head chopping Islamists, right? I would put money on the notion that he was a paid CIA agent that he has been for a long time and they've brought him in from the cold and they made him the president of Syria. I would buy that 100%. Yeah. I mean, the Free Syria Army, right, which then morphed into

the Al-Nusra front, which then morphed part of it, moved it, morphed into ISIS. Yeah, lovely people. I mean, it's a replay of what we did in Afghanistan, right? I mean, it's exactly the same playbook. It's, what do you think about the theory from Zarki-Dun, about the theory that Israel is being so hostile because their religion states that Israel will eventually fight against the whole world and then God will save them. I think there are a lot of messianic Jews who believe that that is exactly what we're at the beginning of right now. And I think there are a lot of evangelical Christians who agree and who actively support it. There are a lot of evangelical Christians in the United States who believe that they can hasten the return of the Messiah by helping the Israelis to

attract Jews. But then all the Jews in Israel get killed, right? They're like moths to the flame. They're all in one place conveniently to be killed. Right. If I'm Jewish, I'm like, this is not a,

I don't know if I want to play along with this particular scenario. That is the prophecy. Question, I think you should answer this one too. Do you believe MAGA is a fascist movement? And if so, do you think violent resistance against fascism? is warranted. You know, I actually don't think MAGA is a fascist movement as a movement. I think

it's a populist, a right-wing populist movement, but I think that MAGA leaders are turning it into a fascist movement. That's well said. I think it has, I mean, I think there are, it's the, it's the clay that can be turned into a fascist movement. There it is right there. It's like, and certainly there are some fascist aspects to it. But it really, I mean, this was basically was just the tea party that got funneled into the Trump campaign. But, you know, once you see everyone wearing the same hats and go into big rallies and sit and basically cheering on the leader no matter what outlandish stupid shit that they know isn't true and can't be true, you know, once you're talking about like scapegoating

the non-existent enemies, right? I mean, this situation with the radical left and cells are out there, that's Emmanuel, you know, Emmanuel Goldstein from 1984, right? There was no resistance, so the party made it up. That's right. And like that's made up. There is no, if there was a radical resistance, I would have signed up with them years ago. But, okay, that said, are we in danger of fascism coming to America? Never have we been closer. Oh my God. I so agree. I so agree. And what makes it that much more dangerous, Ted, is that it's so incremental. Like, literally every day you and I get. Yeah. We get these push notifications every day. The Supreme Court allowed this to

stand. The Supreme Court allowed that to stand. There's a new Trump executive order that's, you know, doing this thing or that thing, or the FBI is going to do this, or the U.S. attorneys doing that. It's like, it all adds up to fascism. Well, this is very similar to, you know, after Hitler was elected in 1933, it took nine months before or so before the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act. And that was like the final death knell for German democracy. And I mean, I, you know, I was talking to Scott Stantis, my friend and colleague at the Chicago Tribune about this, this morning. And he said, you know, Trump's a little slower. You know, it's, it's, It's like, it's going to take three months longer.

But he's like, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republican Congress passed a law that said anything that Donald Trump wants is automatically the law. Or, I mean, and at that point, fascism is here. Or totalitarianism is here anyway. Maybe not fascist, traditional fascism because you really have to have rampant militarism and invasions of foreign countries, which Trump, fortunately, doesn't seem to be that into. But I mean, and look, I'll answer the tough part of the question, which is, you know, is armed resistance justified to resist fascism? Yeah. Armed resistance is justified to resist fascism. My grandfather was in the French resistance. So yes, it is. You know, my grandmother, my mother's mother was, she was in Greece in 1940 when the Germans came in. And she was arrested and put in, in prison only because she was an American citizen, not for any other reason.

And she was young. She was only 21 years old. And my grandfather was able to get her out of prison by bribing a Nazi prison guard with American magazines. And then they got onto a steamer and went back to the United States. And it was only by the grace of God. that they were able to get out. So we're not all going to be so lucky

the next time this happens. And hopefully I'll stay out of prison long enough to revel in the fact that John, we are currently ahead of Fox News on Rumble. Oh my God. We're on the front page. We are number eight in America. Wow.

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Wonderful, wonderful. Scary girl, much, much deserved. Glad to see her get that. Ryan Jude, thank you. So thank you so much for that. That's amazing. Wonderful. So, all right, so let's talk about what comes next. I mean, by the way, did you hear Netanyahu late last week, talk about autarky? Yes.

So, yeah, so Netanyahu realizes, I mean, he's a lot of things, you know, the devil, but he's, but he's not stupid. And he can see the direction that this is all going. So people have been asking you, what's the practical direct impact of the statehood, you know, a declaration? None. But the point is that the word is now out that it's not cool to hang with Israel anymore. So big business isn't going to want to do business with them anymore.

There won't be contracts. They won't be able to import or export. They won't be able to recruit people or send their people overseas to work and send money back. So basically, Israel is going to find itself more isolated than South Africa did under apartheid. And frankly, they deserve it because their behavior, their conduct is even worse than South Africa during apartheid. I mean, at least the South Africans weren't just systematically butchering hundreds of thousands of people just for fun to steal their land. so the so now you've got um but i think what's going to happen is it's true um vb is literally thinking we're going to have to have autarky we're going to have to be completely independent and i'm thinking

okay the last time anyone who said that was paul pot uh he was like we don't have to deal with anyone at least at least campuchia was agriculturally rich right i mean yeah i like i like i like the wines from the golan heights but They don't have that much there. I mean, I don't see how this works. I think Israel will collapse. I mean, I think, you know, we're not going to have a negotiated settlement. I think the economy of Israel will collapse.

And we might, and it'll be a post-apartheid type scenario. They're just going to have to say uncle and just somehow work it out with the Palestinians because their economy will be dead. See, but I think maybe I'm, maybe I'm expecting. a lot worse, but I don't think they will give because I don't think they would rather

nuke themselves and everybody around them rather than to be destroyed from the outside. I think they're honestly, I think they're like a rabid dog. I mean, I think they need to be put down. At this point, I mean, this is ridiculous.

I think the world should invade Israel and take it over. Yeah. I mean, and administer it. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you secure the nukes. Yeah.

Yeah. So let me put Rob, Robbie back on. He has a question here. All right, here we go. Robbie. Yep. So, no, we've had a couple of people on YouTube ask how they're able to donate.

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thank you so much for for that uh for your support is just amazing um you guys so so yeah no john i could see them i could decide i could see them deciding to you know basically take us out everybody yeah take everybody down and ted i don't have ICBMs though oh yeah yeah yeah i know that we're running short on time and i don't want us to to miss what's arguably the most important story of the day that apparently Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has cured autism. Did you see this?

I did. He said just by telling us not to use Tylenol. Yeah. It's like, don't take Tylenol, but take lots of vitamins instead. Who knew? Who knew? And the president said yesterday that in the next couple of days,

he's going to come out with the announcement about the cure for autism. it's just to take vitamins you know if only the parents of autistic kids knew about vitamins i know i mean i bet they're they don't have yeah but the thing is where you find vitamins they're impossible to find oh no wait a minute they're not impossible to find no no they're out there oh this is a great question david galvin okay well we should talk about the we'll talk about we'll talk about david's question in a sec. But RFK Jr. is the biggest

fucking disappointment to me. I was going around telling everyone on air and off air, like, the only thing I was really happy about Trump, besides the possibility that he was going to lift sanctions against Russia so we could get back to work, was the fact

RFK Jr. Like, make America healthy again, get rid of additives and preservatives from our poisoned food supply, you know, cleaner food, adopt the EU standards, you know, all those things are great. And it's like, we didn't get any of that crap.

Basically, all of his critics turned out, I admit, I was wrong. All his critics said, he's a fucking maniac, he's a nut, he's an anti-vax psycho, and that turned out to be true. I made a fool of myself repeatedly by saying

that I consider him to be a friend, right? We were very friendly before his presidential campaign. And then, and then, Dr. Aaron Good, who was a frequent guest on the show that I had with Michelle, would say, oh, he's great, he's great, he's great, I'm joining the campaign, and then he quit the campaign, and Aaron said, no, he's nuts. And I thought, oh, well, no, he's not nuts.

Aaron probably had some kind of run in with him or whatever. No, Aaron was right. He's nuts. Yeah, he's nuts. He's dangerous. Yeah, what the liberals, what the Democrats said turned out to have been true about him. It sucks. I hate being wrong like this.

Yeah, me too. Greg Pallis, like, threw him under the bus and said, like, you know, that brainworm got my friend. We used to be close friends. They used to work together all the time. You know, I love Greg. And I worked with Greg on a couple of his books. And I would again in a second. It's a Greg, if you're watching, you know, operators are standing by.

And so when I read this harsh commentary from Greg, I was like, holy shit, I hope he never gets mad at me. I mean, that sucks. And I was like, poor Bobby, what did he do? And then now I'm like, no, Greg was right. He just saw it before I did. Yeah, yeah. I hate to say I was wrong, but I was wrong. Big time wrong.

Two very related questions, so I'll read them at the same time. David Galvin, do you think the mega movement would push back on if Trump started to become a dictator, like the fall of the Democratic Party to nothing and the fall of the legal system and the courts? In other words, if he became a dictator, and Paris S, a hypothetical question of Israel, well, this is not related. It were to collapse. Could you see a coup coming to stop Netanyahu and the lunatics? Well, they are related questions, right? So in other words, if we get complete manic and sane fascism in Israel and in the United States, could we see the locals rise up and, you know, a revolution?

I would say yes. It would have to get bad enough, but yeah, I would think so. Yes. And you know what? I wouldn't be surprised to see the leader of that revolution come out of the Pentagon. Right. Well, that would be, yeah. I mean, it's true.

Often, you know, as we saw in the Russian Revolution, right? I mean, it's when the military signs up. That's often the last piece, right? That they're the ones who close the deal. But they kind of need to see that the people, they don't want to. They usually take orders until they stop taking orders. Yeah, right. I don't, God, I hope we don't get to that point.

Oh, my God. It is a long fucking way to 2028, though. Yeah, it is. I mean, right now I can't even, you know, it's like, I can't just hold my breath. Oh, it'll be gone. I mean, we'll be in the campaign cycle soon. There's not going to be even pre-campaigning until like late 2027. So we've got to get through two and a half hard fucking years.

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