DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Charlie Kirk Gunned Down”

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Incendiary conservative influencer Charlie Kirk, 31, has been shot in the throat at Utah Valley University, where he was gunned down as he spoke during a “prove me wrong” debate event. Kirk, a Trump ally and Turning Point USA co-founder, was rushed away by security, with a suspect in custody. Former President Trump calls for prayers, highlighting Kirk’s role as a vocal MAGA supporter. Ted and John discuss this shocking act of political violence and what comes next.Also:Kamala Harris Comes Clean: In her book 107 Days, the former veep admits she knew Biden was diminished and unable to run again. She also criticizes Biden’s team for fueling negative narratives about her. Is this the beginning of a reckoning among Democrats in denial?France’s “Block Everything” Riots: Protesters in France disrupt cities, blocking roads and clashing with police amid outrage over Macron’s center-right policies and budget cuts. Over 450 arrests occur as the “Block Everything” movement challenges new Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu. Canada Rethinking Israel: Even more of a pariah…Canada evaluates its relationship with Israel following a deadly Israeli strike on Hamas leaders in Qatar, killing a Qatari security officer. Foreign Minister Anita Anand calls the attack unacceptable, as Canada considers severing financial ties. Quantum Cryptography: Cryptographers Dakshita Khurana and Kabir Tomer develop quantum one-way puzzles, offering a robust alternative to classical encryption. Their work bypasses vulnerabilities, potentially revolutionizing secure communications. The matrix permanent problem anchors this new quantum cryptography framework.

Hello, John. Thank you for joining us here on the program with Ted Raul and John Kiriakou. I'm editorial cartoonist Ted Raul. That's CIA whistleblower John Kiriaku. As we start today's program, we have to bring you some sad and tragic news. Conservative influencer Charlie Kirk, 31 years old, has been assassinated, shot in the throat at Utah Valley University this afternoon. during an event where he was speaking in public

before a crowd of hundreds of people will get into exactly what happened there and of course obviously what this act of startling political violence means in the days and weeks ahead. Kamala Harris's excerpts from her books are starting to, her book 107 days, starting to come out.

France is, as we talked about yesterday, The riots, the block every day, everything protests and riots are in full swing there as we're now. It's late at night in France, but we'll bring you up to date on the crisis in the French government. Canada's rethinking its relationship with Israel. Qatar is still, of course, reeling from Israel's attack. And there's a new type of cryptography, quantum physics based. We'll get into that. I can think of no one I'd rather talk to about that than you, John.

But I think we have to talk about Charlie Kirk first. Yeah, we do. So Charlie Kirk, I have to admit, I was familiar with him when he co-founded Turning Point USA, which is a conservative action committee, political action committee that raises money for Republican and conservative candidates, very closely. line to Trump world these days. It started in about 2012 and sort of like came out of the Tea Party movement. And it's focused particularly on recruiting young Republicans and young conservatives. Charlie Kirk is also a very massive podcaster and influencer.

Huge. And he, you know, he's married, has kids. He was speaking at this event in, you know, he's married, has kids. he was speaking at this event in Utah Valley University on apparently what looked like a beautiful day under a tent and suddenly a there was a shot blood he immediately sort of pivoted backwards blood started splurting out of his throat very graphic graphic video yeah I don't recommend that you watch it and and And anyway, and that was it. And honestly, it took about an hour or two before the mainstream media organization started to report him dead. But to be honest, John, when I saw that, I immediately assumed he was dead. I don't see how anyone could have survived such an injury.

Agreed. Death must have been very quick. It had to be. And you know, you and I, of course, talked several times after the story started to break. And we were in agreement from the very beginning that there's no way a person could survive a wound like that. And I wondered if we were getting these reports from someone at the hospital and someone in law enforcement to the Associated Press saying that he was alive and he was fighting and they were giving him blood transfusions or infusions. I wondered if they were doing that

just to try to keep his heart beating long enough to get his family there. But even that. that could well be i'm i'm being told that we're uh down on rumble let me just make sure see if that's true or not um sorry on on on on youtube i see rumble up right uh why don't you go ahead and uh i will see if i can troubleshoot this yeah you know what anytime something like this happens ted i i end up being very very disappointed in a lot of friends of mine right And I tested it this afternoon. I went on Facebook and all I wrote was, this was it. I just wrote, Utah has the death penalty.

And it has brought out some of the most hideous comments. I have to block people, you know, how you can celebrate the death of another human being solely because you dislike his politics. Here, here. Couldn't agree more. People are saying, Oh, he advocated the Second Amendment, and you live by the gun, and you die by the gun, and he advocated deportations, and that's a form of terrorism. It's like, shut the fuck up.

It is fucking stupid. A young man, a young father that took a bullet to the neck only because somebody didn't like his politics, and you're trying to justify that? And the problem is, John, if that happens to you or my or, eye when we speak in public. You know, there's going to be right-wingers who say things like that about us. And if you approve of this Charlie Kirk thing, then you're validating that same thing happening to someone like you or me who you actually like.

I mean, Charlie Kirk and John Kyriaku and Ted Raul all make their living in the world of public opinion, expressing our opinions, our politics, our thoughts. Within minutes, my son called me and said, oh, my God, I'm so worried about you now. Right. You're right. We're out there expressing opinions. There are people who don't like us. Not as many, I guess, as Charlie Kirk.

But still, I mean, anybody with an opinion on anything now is a target. And in the minds of a lot of sick Americans, they're legitimate targets because of their political positions on issues. Yeah. And I'm sorry. Like, okay, if we were having this conversation about, you know, someone who is participating, let's say, in a Middle Eastern genocide, I might have a different opinion. but that's not the case here I mean Charlie Kirk expressed a lot of views

you know before the show you said like 70 you probably disagree with him on 75% of stuff I'd go 90 on me but who cares I mean that's not I defend his right to say

whatever he wants whenever he wants however he wants anytime and and so I mean you have to assume unless you know sometimes these things have a weird personal angle

that nobody knows but you have to assume this is an act of political violence yeah yeah you have to you have to make that assumption and you know another thing that's just awful awful is there there was a video of course that i'm sure everybody is seen by now of some old man being wrestled to the ground and cuffed and everybody's saying oh it's this old man he's a left wing extremist it's no he was just an old man standing in the crowd it was the wrong guy they've already released him we don't have any idea who the shooter was. No idea. And we don't know what their motivation is. I mean, just think

about how many times in the past people thought they had everything figured out the second something happened. Oklahoma City, it's like everyone assumed it was, it was, you know, Islamist terrorism. It was quite the opposite. It was a U.S. a guy couldn't have been any whiter, Timothy McVeigh, military veteran. You just never know. And, you know, the, Remember, there was the shooting at the congressional softball game. Absolutely. Turned out to be a Bernie Sanders supporter who was guilty of that. The person who shot Gabby Gifford, a Democrat.

You assumed that because she was a Democratic congressman, that a Republican would have killed her. Things aren't binary. Things aren't that obvious. We still don't really know the shooter who shot Trump in the ear. We don't really know what he was all about, politically. No, we don't. Or even if politics had much to do with it at all. And in this case, you know, I mean, we could, we could, we could, we, I'm so angry right now.

I'm having trouble talking. There could be revelations in this case that make everything that we're saying incorrect. This could be maybe a nut to who has, you know, schizophrenia or what, we don't know. We don't know what the deal is. We don't know if this was politically motivated. We're making an assumption here. um just like this guy you should talk about what we do know but go ahead yeah yeah just like this guy who killed the um the ukrainian uh refugee in what was it new york i guess the other day uh everybody said oh it's a hate crime and he's he hated refugees or he hated Ukrainians no he almost killed his sister two years ago because he's a paranoid schizophrenic doesn't have health insurance

and is nuts and violent and that's it he said the government put a chip in his head and the chip the voice in the chip told him to stab this woman so we the same thing with this charlie kirk situation so far we know very little go right ahead ted tell us what we do know so what we do know is that the shot came from roughly 200 feet away uh sorry 200 yards away yeah yeah so um that indicates a long gun um it indicates a sniper um it indicates someone who it has facility with weapons indicates someone who had a hiding spot probably because

a long gun isn't exactly the most subtle of things. You know, I would probably be, I'd be shocked if it turns out it's not the standard AR-15, but you never know. I mean, the size of the wound, I mean, you know, you have a lot of pressure in that artery here and so it slurts

out. And but the thing is, I mean, even if there had been like an I don't think he really stood a chance you know Rick rick Sanchez sent me the the video before I heard anything he just said holy shit look at this and I looked at it and I was like oh come on and I said Rick this has to be AI right and he said no Charlie Kirk just got shot and I thought there's no possible way somebody can survive a shot like that no no it was so graphic I mean listen you've seen you've seen some of the pictures I have on my phone from my days in Pakistan. I'm not easily shaken. But

that video was gruesome. Right. I would say also having seen, you know, war up close and personal in Afghanistan, I would agree. It was very, it was brutal. I don't want to use the word lucky shot, but I mean, it's, I have to say, if the shot had been, you know, it's just an inch in a different direction, he might, he'd probably be alive. Yeah. I mean, the good news is there had to have probably been EMS nearby, standing by, just given the size of the crowd, you know, when you have that many people. This happened on, it sounds like the campus, oh, the other thing we know is it, it was

campus police that took custody of that older gentleman who turned, who they'd then cleared. So this person's on the lamb. We know that, too. Yeah, that's right. He's on the lamb. We're assuming it's a man, but it usually is. Yeah. Yeah, crazy.

So let's go ahead and bring in producer Robbie West because politically he kind of comes from more this school of thought. So I think he has some insights here. Robbie, you had thoughts. Well, it's just wild. I mean, before today, the right was broken. It was fractured. I mean, there was a civil war in Trump's base.

Yeah, I mean, you had the America First people from which I belong versus the Trumpian maga sycophant, the Trump cultists. Whoever did this, congratulations, you have united the right in a way that no one else could have. And people in my political persuasion are pissed off. And all bets are off now. This is what I was most afraid of. I've told you all both this numerous times.

And it's even money what happens now. That's the question. That's the question. What that happens now? Is this different from, I mean, look, John and I are both over 60 years old. We remember a lot of political assassinations in our lifetimes. And I don't think we have to go back to the classic ones like, you know, 1968. I mean, you know, there was the guy from.

The radical, what was his name? The guy, the radical Zionist who was guns down near Grand Central Station. Oh, it was Meyer Kahana. Bizarre political assassination. I mean, there's been tons of them. Yeah. And they happen all the time. And, you know, we're an ADD nation.

We kind of don't remember anything for any length of time. I mean, Robbie, I know it's right now. It just happened minutes ago. but I mean this I got to be a cynic here I mean in the week we'll probably be talking about something else you probably will be by guarantee of people on the right will not be that's a good point and so here's so here's here's the difference right one because of the age of social media I mean this thing went out in real time it's all over X right now it's it's all over telegram it's all over Russian media it is all over the place like I just

now shared with y'all on the chat backstage someone already did a forensic analysis about where the shooters about where the sniper nest was really what did they find well it's it's a it's a Russian he's like a Russian veteran so if I was going to do this

here's exactly where I would go because Google Maps is a thing right I mean right I mean no so I mean you can have analysis like this happen in real time and here's the thing Charlie Kirk

love him or hate him and I disagree with Charlie Kirk probably on about 20% whereas I'm a creature of the right y'all aren't I'm also younger than y'all so I mean this is where this is where we kind of come from this man was murdered

on a live stream all over the world because someone because someone disagreed with what he said I mean the fact that the fact that you can say that there are two genders and someone will get killed for it and then people on the other side of the aisle

will cheer for it like this is so kind of a football game that's the difference there's no civility anymore look you know when you were talking i literally was about to you know my my instinct was to think about some things i've read that that the victim here has said keyword he's the victim right and like and that like well he said you know this other thing that you know kind of could provoke violence and then i'm i shut myself up and not going to say it because there's no place for that right now. I mean, the point is he didn't do or say anything that could possibly deserve this. And, and, you know, so what? I don't like his opinions. So what? No, and the thing is, of the three people who are here on this panel right

now, I'm the one that is the most closely aligned to Charlie Kirk. So, I mean, let's be honest here. I'm going to, I'm probably going to piss off like a quarter of the people who are watching. It's all right. I agree with Charlie Kirk. There are two genders. Guys cannot be women. Women cannot be guys. It's a fact. Sorry. If you have a problem with it, take up with God. I mean, he didn't make a mistake. The problem is you. There's two genders and an unlimited number of mental illnesses. If that means that you can kill me because I, because I say something you don't like, then that means I, that means people on my persuasion can then start going the other way, it starts saying, well, if abortion's murder, and if you advocate to

killing a children, then that can work as an adventure to take you out. That's the problem. That's the genie that's been laid out of the bottle here. And I don't know how you get it back in. I don't either. One of the commenters, 18 spoons, is comparing this to the John Lennon assassination. And there is something similar to it, even though, of course, the Lennon assassination was just a crazy man, Mark David Chapman. He thought he thought he's somehow going to be sleeping with Jody Foster as a result of all this. No, no, no, no, that was... Oh, that's Mark David Chapman.

No, no, that was the Reagan, the Reagan shooter. Oh, yeah, John Hinckley. John Hinckley, thank you. I don't know what Mark David Chapman had in mind, but he liked John Lenin and somehow... Got his autograph earlier in the day. Nut. He's just a nut. Yeah, he's just a nut.

So the point is that, like, yeah, but I kind of see what it, but like, psychologically, I can sort of see in the form of political, psychology, how it kind of plays the same way to the public. Happens in the middle, in broad daylight. It's well, there's lots of, lots of, it's shocking. Both victims were relatively young in John Lennon's case and full of life. And you would have expected a lot more out of them in the future. It seems completely pointless and senseless.

And so, yeah, I can, I see the comparison. I agree. But now here's another level to this. I want you all to think about this and the people who are watching right now to think about this. Since 2016, we have been being told that Trump is a Nazi,

people who support Trumps are Nazis or your white supremacists. But my question is, is what do you do with a Nazi? It's a fair question. Yeah. Well, that's the problem with overheated rhetoric, right? Very much so. Sort of, I mean, a lot of it makes sense, right?

Like, I mean, so, for example, You know, it's just abortion. If you think that a killing, if abortion is killing an unborn child, which actually I do think it is. Well, it is. By definition it is. And then so, like, obviously killing babies is wrong, stands to reason that you can do, you can and should do anything you can to stop that. And that can lead you to extreme violence. I mean, you know, the only difference between, like, my grandfather, the resistance hero and the person who kills the abortion doctor is time and history, right?

just a different context. So I mean, that's the problem with the overheated rhetoric that we're hearing, and I'm going to say it is from both sides. The left and the right, the liberals and the conservatives, more the liberals and the conservatives than the left and the right are dehumanizing each other and failing to see each other as fellow Americans who disagree about what we should do to make our country great and better and make life better for Americans. And basically, saying this other person is evil. And we do hear it. I mean, obviously, I pay more attention to it coming from the right toward the left, just because I'm on the left. But I do hear it going the other way, too, just as much. Like, fuck those people. I don't, you know, and we're

hearing it now with Charlie Kirk. It's, God, I don't even know. I have an answer for everything. I don't know how we get out of this. I don't see how we do. I mean, honestly, I mean, and I hate to say it. I mean, yesterday, wasn't it yesterday? I think it was yesterday when, yeah, it was yesterday when I was on with Scott Stannis. We were talking about, no, is the American experiment dead? In my opinion, yeah, it is. I think it's been dead

for a while now. We're just kind of just feasting on the corpse. Because what we have going on right here doesn't really happen a whole lot anymore. I'm a creature of the right. Y'all are both lefties. Y'all are both my friends. We agree to disagree. And actually, Ted, you've been to my

house. You met my wife. You met my kids. you guys no john you have an invitation thank you that that doesn't happen anymore no that doesn't happen anymore no it's i think it happens more from the left to the right than among liberals and conservatives i mean the real interesting war that's happening here in this country is really between these two worthless bourgeois political parties the democrats and the republicans it's fucking insane it's the it's the i mean it's literally a civil war between the fucking corporate centrists what the fuck is wrong with them it is it is it is is but they want us to believe that that it's a fight a real honest to god fight it's amazing to me

like just since this shooting this afternoon you're hearing accusations about the the radical left and the far right well there is no real radical left unfortunately and the far right's actually not very far right they're both right of center to different degrees but it's like the media want us to believe that we should be at each other's throats because our ideas of how to live our lives and run our government are so diametrically opposed to one another. And they're not. Robbie, same situation with a ton of friends of mine. I've got a great friend, Tyler Nixon. Tyler's an awesome guy. He's an attorney. He grew up next door to the Bidens. He's a Republican, quite a conservative Republican. But he, but he was.

He's friends with the Bidens, and he's my friend. And I've stayed at his house. He stayed at my house. We enjoy each other's company. We agree on almost nothing, except like he's, he's kind of libertarian, and I've got a libertarian streak myself, so we can agree on a couple of like civil liberties things. But I don't care if he's, if he's to the right of me. I don't care if his beliefs or his belief system even is different from my.

I like the guy. He's fun to hang around with. Listen, I had four friends from high school was a group of the five of us, and we're all best friends. One of us, one of them has died, so it's the four of us left. But we're all in each other's weddings.

We're all godfathers to each other's kids. Two of us were Democrats, two of us were Republicans, and one was an independent growing up. Because politics never mattered. We remained friends all of our lives now. One of the guys, I've been friends with him since I was five, and we were on the YMCA tadpole swim team together. But you know why, right? It's a fair, honest question. You know

why they should be friends, right? It's because you're Americans. I just love those guys. I mean, that was the thing. Y'all were Americans. Yeah. I mean, I will say, I tend to also politically, sorry to interrupt, Robbie. It's a bad habit I have, as some of the commenters pointed out yesterday um i i i you know but but like one of the things i think is also true is i have a lot more respect for someone who has strong opinions that i disagree with than someone who has weak or unsourced opinions that are just sort of mushy and unsor and so i can get along better with like a tyler nixon uh or a robbie west than i can with someone who kind of doesn't really know what the fuck they're talking about yeah and just votes for kamala harris just because you know

they don't like the orange the orange monster yeah and i mean and that's the problem i'm a challenge you both of you go to your local high school and ask 50 students what does it mean to be an american yeah what does it mean yeah nobody can answer that question no no one knows you get 50 different answers and probably 49 of them will be dumb yeah and that's the problem you know what we're at here this is like you guys know this story i know you do because you're both students of history avid students of history. One of the things I love about you guys. Constantineople, right? Like the elites got obsessed with chariot racing. Interestingly, right, there were two teams, the reds and the blues. And it started out as just like everyone was a fan. And then things got

more and more heated over time. And these were bored people. The money was flowing in from trade from the Bosporus. So they had nothing better to do than get obsessed with this shit. They're betting ferociously, and over time, they became political parties, the Reds versus the Blues, and people would not even let, like, their daughters marry a son from, like, the other team's family. So it's like, oh, you know, we're a red family. You can't marry a blue. It was like Romeo and Juliet. And, like, it sounds, when you read about it, fucking insane. May I add something, Ted? I'll add something. When I was, When I was living in Greece, serving at the American Embassy, it was our first year there.

At the time, my first wife and I had two sons, and they were little. They were like, let me think, six and three. So the first day of Lent is a major holiday. And what the Greeks do is kids fly kites that day. It's spring. Is it spring? Yeah, it's spring, so it's windy. So every day, the first day of Lent,

everybody in the country goes out and flies kites. So there are kite salesmen on every street corner. So my older son, he was six, he wanted a kite. I said, great. We go to the kite salesman, and he picks out a yellow one, only because it was yellow. Not knowing that yellow is the color of the Olympiacos, the Olympians soccer team.

Well, we had dinner that afternoon at a cousin's house in western Athens. And most of the soccer fans in Athens are fans of the team Panathenaikos, which is the Panathenians. Their color is green. So we're going into the house and my cousin says, whoa, wait a minute. What's up with the kite? And I said, oh, yeah, we stopped at the. the corner, you know, before we got here, he wanted a kite for the day. And he says, why'd you get him a, why'd you get him an Olympiacos kite? I said, he's a little kid. He wanted

it because it was yellow and he liked the color yellow. And he said, you can't bring that kite in his house. This is a Panathano's house. He said, I'm serious. My kids will stomp it to a million pieces. You can't bring the kite in the house. And I had to put in the trunk. And my son cried through the whole dinner because he couldn't fly his kite because his cousin. we're going to stomp it. But it's the same issue only on a political scale. By the way, I was wrong, as pointed out in the feed, it's the greens and the blues, not the reds in the blue. The greens in the blues.

My apologies. Well, it was the Nika riots, and that's when when she famously said that purple is the most noble of shrouds. Justinian is the thing about leaving the capital. So just a little aside there, yeah, I'm a history nerd. But, I mean, this is crazy. I mean, Charlie Kerr I said, and I did not agree with Charlie Kirk. He was a Zionist. I'm not.

I mean, he was all about, he's all about no, that false teaching from that evangelicals teach that you have to bless the Jews or God is going to curse you. I wasn't to say that. I disagree with him on that. But I agree with him all of other things. The fact that this dude would go to colleges and to universities and have these conversations with students and faculty. to engage with people who didn't like him. That's a courageous thing. I like that.

Well, it shouldn't be courageous. I guess it is courageous if you can be shot. Rob didn't seek you out of the feed because we have to keep moving here. Yeah, sorry, we ate up half the time. Yeah, you're right. We could do this for hours. So he'll be back. John, let's talk about the political implications, according to someone in the feed,

and I believe this 100%. Donald Trump has already ordered flag American. flags across the nation to be flown at half staff in morning. Which is a little nutty, but it's a little extreme. Yeah. So Trump's not the right person to bring us together at a time like this. Absolutely not. He's going to use this to make political hay and to beat up to own the libs.

I mean, that's just not what we need. No. No, we need leadership. We need, you know, Bill Clinton, for all his, for all his faults. actually brought the country together after the Oklahoma City bombing, right? There was this brief, albeit brief, period of unity, right? We're not going to get that from Donald Trump. Even though it was retarded, kind of, Obama's Beer Summit was an attempt to bring us together.

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I don't know. I mean, we're going to, is there anything? breaking about this that we have to talk about? I'm looking at the New York Times right now and the answer is no. They don't have any idea who the shooter is. They say it's an active investigation. Flags are going to be at half staff

which is like I said it's nutty until Sunday at 6 o'clock. I don't even know how they came up with that. But the university... It's not like the 30 days after the death of the president or something. Or Hulk Hogan. Which also I didn't understand.

He's so weird. James Thank you so much, Jones Jameson for the $20 donation. Question for you, John. To what extent is the DNI read in on the more insidious and compartmentalized programs within the CIA? Do you believe the creation of the DNI position was positive? That is an awesome question. You know, in the beginning, I did believe in the DNI position creation, only because I was so angry at George Tenet. for ending up being such a terrible DCI, which is no longer a position, that I thought, well, okay, we're going to have some adult supervision in the room. And that's really not the way things turned out. The DNI, really the job of the DNI is to handle the intelligence community budget. That's really what it comes down to. When the office of the DNI, ODNI was established. It had 14 employees. Now it has something like 6,000 or 8,000 employees. They've taken

over the President's Daily Brief. They've taken over Russia operations, China operations, Iran operations. They call them now Russia House, China House, Persia House. Stupid. Anyway, that's a different issue. So for a long time then I was down on the DNI. And now, you know, I like the fact that Tulsi Gabbert is an outsider. I like the fact that she gives the agency shit and isn't afraid to fire people. I think some of these firings have been wrong. You shouldn't fire people for their well-considered analysis that you happen to disagree with. But you should suspend their security clearances if they have no legitimate reason to have a security clearance and just go on MSNBC and yell about you all the time. Okay, number one. Number two, and this is really the important part of the question.

The DNI is not read into every compartment. No, because look at it this way. When I was the executive assistant to the deputy director, we got a cable in a very sensitive compartment just as I was leaving to do my morning briefing. And it's the deputy director, all of the associate deputy directors and the head of counterintelligence,

counterproliferation, counterterrorism and the chief of staff. And so I said, well, we have a very important, I started off. We have a very important cable in today saying, and the deputy director says, wait a minute, you and I are the only people in the room cleared for that information. And I thought, what? They're all associate deputy directors of the CIA, and they're not cleared for the information. So the deputy director reached out and I handed him the cable.

so after that was done and all the associate deputy directors had walked out he said to me don't brief this to the director i'll brief it to him after because nobody else in the director's briefing is cleared for the information so if the director of national intelligence has as a primary um as a primary job to to manage the budget for the intelligence community he or she is likely not going to be read into these, as you said, more insidious compartments. They'll be cut out. John, yesterday we talked about Israel's attack on Qatar. Today, we're hearing from Reuters that Canada is reconsidering whether or not they want to do

trade with Israel. They say that the foreign minister there, what is her name, Anita Anand, said that she might follow the, Canada may follow the lead of the European Commission, which said that it may stop all trade-related measures between the EU and Israel. So Canada might join that in. They said that in Canada's view, the attack on Qatar was unacceptable. Yeah. I'm glad somebody finally said it besides you and me.

But yeah, I mean, listen, I don't care how you look. look at it, the only conclusion that a rational, normal person can come to is that this was an act of war against a non-belligerent. So, gutter. And neutral, and neutral territory, right? Neutral territory. Didn't Israelis and the Americans both ask Qatar to serve as a host, like, and the Israelis traveled to cover? Yes, so this could have happened to the Israelis, too, right? Yes. Yes. This is like, we all agree this is neutral territory. I mean, what's the point of neutral territory if if like one of the one of the belligerents attacks it yes why were the

cutaries and be like no more we're done here and the Israelis failed in their goal they killed five nobodies they didn't kill anybody from the hamas leadership um and you know as bruce fine is fond of pointing out they have made themselves a belligerent and so now the the gutteries and the gutteries won't, but the gutteries are legally permitted to retaliate. They won't, like I said, but they could if they wanted to. So we've got to, we've got to take, you've got to take a victory lap, John. So yesterday we talked a little bit about this. Then I read this piece that I sent you from the Times today.

headline is Gulf powers question U.S. protection after Israeli attack on Qatari soil, the brazen attack to kill the political leaders of Hamas in Doha could upend the foundations of an American-led order in the Middle East. It's almost like anybody who was listening to the show yesterday totally kind of read this already, except that you said it. So Qatar being unable to protect its own citizens with literally the U.S. Central Command on its territory, just like you said, has prompted locals to question. in the value of the American partnership,

according to Kristen DeWan, senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute. It's a real problem for golf leaders and should worry the U.S. as well. The attacks sent shockwaves through the Gulf capitals that were courted by Israel as potential allies. Hey, we could be friends,

but also while we're being friends, we might just bomb you. This is a litmus test, says Bader Al-Saiif, assistant professor of history at Kuwait University. If Gulf rulers don't do anything forceful now, they'll only be part of an Israeli orbit of power and an Israeli-led regional order,

which presumably they don't want. This story goes on and on is all what you said yesterday, John. So congratulations. You should probably get a reprint fee. I'll take it. And maybe they might want to have me speak at one of the universities there for lots and lots of money.

That would be nice too. No, honestly, Ted, this attempt, was so clearly and patently and obviously illegal that it was an easy call. I remember, I remember friends of mine, especially friends formerly of the State Department when the Russians invaded Ukraine. They were far less upset about the Russians invading Ukraine as they were the Russians invading Ukraine through Belarus because that made the Belarusians, uh would combatants right combatants and so if the ukrainians wanted to or had the ability to they could have attacked belarus and they could have done so legally so this you know the thing

is the israelis are so arrogant they need to be slapped down a peg or two the u.s is definitely not going to do it but now at least we're seeing leadership by the Canadians of all people by the iris by the Spanish, and, you know, maybe other countries will follow them. Well, and don't forget the French. The French show some important leadership. Thank you. Question from Chrisom T.C. How is it possible for Israel to attack Qatar without U.S. military knowledge with radar?

And if they did know the jets were heading over, it's true, they had to cross all the way over the vast expanse of Saudi Arabia. How did they know it was a friendly country? and not Iran. I asked that. I asked a friend of mine that at the Pentagon last night, and I got a response that I wouldn't have thought of, because this is really not my area of expertise. So let's address the Saudis first. The Saudis were either in on it or the Saudis, number two, had their heads up their asses. Okay, you can go ahead and choose because both scenarios work for me. Really? How could they have had their heads up their ass? How? They can't even defend themselves against the Houthis.

how are they going to do it against the against the Israelis that have you know, stealths and all this other stuff that we gladly give them? But secondly, one of my friends formerly at the State Department said that he had been told that the Israelis fired the missiles from well inside Saudi territory,

that they were cruise missiles. And so the Israelis had barely crossed into, Saudi Arabia launched and then immediately turned around before the Saudis could react. And so the missiles just went in without the accompanying noise of airplanes coming to deliver them. They got on the, the Israelis got on the phone and said to the White House out, we were attacking gutter. It was already too late to do anything.

And then by the time the White House called the gutteries, the missiles had impacted. Yeah, the Cutteries, their latest statement was that they heard. from the White House, 10 minutes after the attack began. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And, you know, like we were saying yesterday, I think we probably said it off the air, Ted. But the Israelis made us look like fools by doing this.

And they made Donald Trump look like their little lap dog. And I hope somebody whispers that into his ear because that's the only thing that's going to make him respond appropriately to the Israelis. No, that's totally true. also another question does the distance from richest person in the world on YouTube does the distance of 200 yards

indicate the shooter was military no 200 yards isn't yeah not necessarily just could be a good hunter or something by the way there is some footage unsourced online currently Robbie founded on Middle East Spectator

where it seems to be video that shows possibly the shooter on the roof of I guess a parking deck adjacent to the uh someone already zoomed in they might not you might ask if this is legit in fact would this have been necessarily viewed as a suspect i would say no because when i go to a event like that if i see someone on the roof like that i might assume they were police and that they were there for security right oh i see it thank you Robbie. Oh, right. Sure. Sure. Man. Yeah, somebody is clearly on his belly on the roof of the parking garage. This is just grand. Just grand. D's nuts 1776 wants our thoughts on Poland invoking Article

4 of NATO. Oh, my God. In retaliation for the Russian drone probe, I guess. I wouldn't say attack, but sort of Russian drones kind of mildly, slightly invading Polish airspace? Yeah, they blew up a house, apparently. I saw some pictures at the Associated Press today of Polish soldiers on the top floor of a house that had just been completely blown out. Listen, this is an act of war. And if you cross into a border country's airspace, okay, you could say, all right, sorry, it was an accident.

we just kind of strayed into your airspace. But they had to cross all of Ukraine to get to Poland. That was not an accident. That was a provocation. And so the polls, I mean, invoking Article 4, okay, I mean, technically, I guess we're at war now with Russia. NATO's at war with Russia, if you're invoking Article 4. And so there's going to have to be some kind of response. The response may be that NATO starts shooting down Russian drones or the response can be,

something far worse. These drones weren't sent accidentally, like you said. And they're very, even someone with a hobby drone knows how precisely they're guided by GPS. So, okay, why did the Russians do this? I have my theory. My theory is that it's basically meant, first of all, to remind the West that the whole world isn't the Middle East and that the Russo-Ukrainian conflict is still happening.

And they'd like a little attention to it, I think. And also, I think it's a probing. it's a probe. Like, let's see what the Eastern Europeans. Let's see what the polls do if we, you know, send in some drones. Let's see how quick their response time is. Let's see how they, you know, what kind of bang bangs they have. Exactly. Exactly. That's why you would do it. It's an intelligence collection exercise, really. If you're going to send drones and maybe you fire one rocket and it blows up some farmer's house, yeah, that's not, you're not going to accomplish anything. But you are going to be able to collect a lot of intelligence. And that's that may very well have been the whole point. Let's talk about France. We should just bring people up to date on this. Over 450 people have now been arrested as the Block A2 or Block Everything movement. This is a leaderless movement, which is for France is a little bit unusual.

So it's a little more like Occupy Wall Street, completely driven by the internet. There's been two trade unions that are involved, including the big CGT, the Consigne General de Travaille, which was affiliated with the old French Communist Party. Yeah, funny. And my grandfather was a member of the CGT, proudly so. And they used to take their orders from the common turn. But now, but they signed up. They're kind of like remoras to this going along with this whole thing.

John, we talked about it yesterday. I'm just going to reiterate, I think this is going to be a big fucking deal, and I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon. The French are furious at this decision to keep shoving one right-wing centrist prime minister after another down the throats of the voters who did not want them. And the left is saying, like, look, we won the fucking election last year, which you called, we won it, and we want the prime minister's seat, and we deserve it. And then meanwhile, the right, the national rally, is saying, hey, hold an election right now, will win it. But who cares? Which is probably true.

It is probably. Who cares? But who cares? Because if they hold a new election now and the far right wins it, Macron won't let them rule either. So I think the federal republic is on the brooks. He will give them enough rope to hang themselves. Nobody should expect that the far right is going to be any more stable than the center or the left have been. And excuse me, Ted, can I go back to Article 4?

Please. There are a couple of questions in the chat I want to address. So Article 4 is what is invoked in case of an emergency. And what it does is it calls for immediate talks by NATO defense ministers and military leaders like Joint Chiefs leadership. It is the precursor to invoking Article 5. Article 5 is, we've been attacked, we need help immediately. The only The only time Article 5 has ever been invoked by any NATO country was on September 11. That's it. It's the only time. I honestly don't even remember the last time Article 4.

I could probably Google it, but Article 4 was invoked. Article 4 means that the polls mean business, they feel under threat, and they want help. It's like, help, help. The evil Russians are coming. are coming. Scott Matheson says Scott Ritter said its drone was take

said that the drone, the Russian drone was taken over by Ukrainian hackers and sent to Poland. I mean, that is possible. I mean, that theoretically, technologically, it can happen. Sure. Yeah. I wouldn't, but given the fact that the Russians

did not deny that it was their drone that they sent it on purpose. No. I would say that that's the most likely explanation right yeah how would scott ridder know that anyway you know i've known scott for a long time it's it's my belief my feeling that scott tries to be especially provocative because it gets him clicks and that's how he makes a living well i like scott nice guy but i just disagree with a whole bunch of what he says update from nepal from our friend, DFC 91, more than 13,000 prisoners have escaped from prisons all over Nepal.

Nepal is not that big of a country, including violent offenders. So that country, clearly law and order has broken down. Oh, oh, man. DFC, same as yesterday, man. Be careful. Protect yourself. Not just from the government and the police, but now from 13,000 escaped prisoners. 13,000, that has to be like the entire prison population of Nepal, right?

Oh, my God. Chronically offline to asking me what I think about, what do the French think about Candace Owen's obsession with Macron? It's so funny to me, L.O.L. Me too. I think the French are too busy seething about how much they fucking can't stand him with his 15% approval rating, which probably is going down by the minute. Because even among the 15%, they've got to be looking at the chaos in the streets

and thinking, this guy can't even maintain public order. You know, he can't keep the country together. So I think they have other things on their mind. I think it would be hard to overestimate the seething contempt that the French have for him right now. Yeah, and Adam offers up some good information here. Last time Article 4 was triggered was in 2022 by Poland, Bulgaria, and Estonia when the Ukraine invasion began.

I forgot that, but you're exactly right. yeah um oh the last yeah this is true look out below i saw this on the video the last thing uh charlie was asked before he was murdered was about mass shooting violence specifically by transgender people oh my god what kind of society do we have matthew blair rains asks a very good question and ted off the top of my head i don't have an answer for it maybe you can answer during the 20th century why did the USA not have the same political social changes as other Western countries, i.e. affordable health care and more representative democracy, et cetera. It's a good question. I think it all comes down to

the 1930s and 1940s. It's FDR, right? I mean, when FDR was elected president, it was 15 years after the Bolshevik revolution. And there was considerable fear among the ruling classes that the United States would become a socialist country. Don't forget the socialist party was a real Party. The Communist Party was a real party. And basically, FDR, much to the, they didn't like it, but he sucked the air out of the left by appropriating and watered down versions. I mean, you know, I have the political button from the Communist Party from the 1920s that says, you know, support unemployment insurance. That didn't exist as a thought until the Communist Party thought of it. And then FDR instituted as part of the New Deal.

So, you know, all the, the new deal, all the social welfare programs that we value today, like social security and then, you know, LBJ built on those with the great society, like Medicaid and so on. But that all starts because as a way of co-opting the real left, that's communism and the socialists. And then, so we thought those were baked in. And then, you know, World War II was like, well, we can't keep building on it because now we have to focus. on fighting the war. Then we get into McCarthyism and the Cold War. That freezes the left. And basically, there's no substantial left-wing activity between the 30s and the 60s. So we kind of lost 30 key years of economic expansion post-war that could have been used by that were used by other countries to build up their social safety nets. And then in the end,

Ronald Reagan fucking drove a stake through it. I mean, Ronald Reagan's great political contribution was to convince Americans that human nature was fundamentally individualistic, that we are all fighting each other for scraps and like rats in a cage, and that society's better off that way, that we're not communitarian, that we don't help out our neighbors when they need help and they're down and out. And I think, you know, so it's like, it's no one thing, but I got to say, I think America's role in leading the fight financially in World War II against the Axis set us way back. And then, like, Truman's decision to ramp up the Cold War against the Soviets, you know, basically froze the left. I mean, you know, nothing happened in the 40s and 50s or the early 60s.

And, you know, and by then, and the big social, well, you know, the big social progress movements of the 60s weren't class. based, right? They were based on civil rights. They have feminism, gay rights, and so on, all important stuff. But the class analysis was gone. We haven't seen class-based left-wing activism in this country since the 20s. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's it, actually. It's funny how our economies and our political systems evolved differently in response to the state, to the same stimuli like the first and second world wars but i agree with you and we had this we had this irrational uh fear of of communism i had a professor once who said that that the american government always needs an ism to fight socialism communism communism islamism there's always

something out there that our government wants to rally people against and and it's changed our political system permanently? It has a little question about cemeteries. I know you're interested. Jordan Johnson says he's looking forward to your books about them. Well, let me interrupt real quick before you give me the question. Yes, please. The contract is signed.

I approved the cover. Well, the cover I approved a while ago, but the cover blurb I've approved, and I approved my, my bio on it. It's already been line edited, so they're telling me it's going to be October. It frigging better be October. We're going to have a serious problem. Don't get John Kyriaku pissed off at you. I wouldn't want that at all.

So the question is from Jordan, have you ever been to Spring Grove Cemetery in Cincinnati, second biggest in the country? Yes. And gorgeous. With my son. My third son and my daughter both go to school in Cincinnati. Well, now with people shooting people, I'm not going to say where they're going to school, but they're going to school, both of them, two different schools in Cincinnati. So I go to Cincinnati all the time, and I always, always go to the cemeteries there

because there are some really important cemeteries, and that is one. And on top of being giant, it's beautiful, and there are seriously important people buried there. I like it a lot. Cincinnati's actually a surprisingly awesome. city. You know, I'm from Dayton. And so, yeah, Cincinnati is where we used to go to have fun. And yeah, it's a great city. It is. It's sort of like a mini. I don't want to go too far over my skis here, but I feel like it's a micro New Orleans, right? It's got like a river culture. Right. It's got a lot of honky tonkish kind of stuff. It's very hilly. It's got a lot of WPA stuff. It does.

The nightlife is kind of wild. The restaurants are great. I remember seeing, some crazy, like going to punk crazy drag queen, punk rock extravaganzas that went until eight o'clock in the morning. I was like, you can't get that in New York City. Like, what the hell? It's not that you necessarily want that. Speaking of Nepal, Jacob Bruchin wants to know, a friend of mine left on a missions trip to Nepal with four other pastors and a teaching team.

Sounds like they're currently okay. Any thoughts or advice? I mean, I've been in situations like that where a country falls apart. Honestly, my best advice is either hunker down or if you plan to leave, use a land crossing. Airports are difficult and fraught, and you'll probably get stuck

because everyone else has the same idea. And if you really think you need to get out of Dodge, go to a land crossing. The border guards haven't heard shit. Don't know anything. Don't have computers. Don't have Wi-Fi. you know, you have a passport, they're going to let you out.

Yeah, I have to agree. Land crossings are by far the easiest. I like the bus. The bus is the best. The bus is the best because they don't have time to seriously question everybody, just get everybody, check their papers and get them across the board. Pretend to be asleep. Usually the bus driver is smuggling shit and is paying a bribe to get that shit across the border.

Yeah. The bus driver collects all of your passports, pays the bribe with the passports. You just like, you look foreign, so you just like hunker down under a blanket and just stay really still. You'll probably be okay. Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. I've never been to that cemetery.

So, so weird. I feel ashamed of myself. I'm not going to let you go without. We have two more things to talk about. Yeah, we do. Kamala finally admits that. maybe there was something a little wrong with Joe Biden, who knew? She's like, now she says it was reckless. He shouldn't have run. It shouldn't have been a decision, just his decision and Jill's. But everyone said, like they were hypnotized, she says in her book, they just said it's their call. And she said it would have been, she was worried about looking self-serving if she'd been the person to point something out, to which, I say, the 25th Amendment specifically assigns the responsibility of getting rid of the president

in case he's unfit to serve to the vice president. The vice president is supposed to call a meeting of the cabinet and a simple majority vote can remove the president and not from office permanently, but a new acting president steps in who will be the vice president. And like I can not, I understand why that's an awkward position and it's an awkward trigger to pull. That was her duty as an American to pull that trigger. John, as you know better than most people watching, doing the right thing isn't always fun, but it's still the right thing. Listen, if there was one single person in the country who should have called a spade a spade, it was Kamala Harris, and she blew it, right? The whole country would have been depending on her to tell us the truth about the president.

The president is demented. He is unable to lead. Some days he doesn't even know who he is, let alone know how he's going to run the country that day. She should have been the one to call him out. She should have been, if she was a serious person, the one to call for the indication of the 25th Amendment. I agree. And the thing is she also says in this excerpt that was published by the Atlantic that she was very concerned about being viewed as disloyal. loyal by and it's like kind of like look they don't like you anyway Kamala they were constantly

shiving her in the media they were constantly talking about how they didn't like her they didn't think she was capable and that's why he had to run again because she couldn't pick up the mantle why the loyalty yeah i don't get it he didn't even like her no so why the loyalty i don't get it either. Got a donation from USC triple X A-Rod. What are your guys' thoughts on Greta Thunberg's boat getting hit with a drone fire attack? Yeah, I saw that, of all places in CBS. And then, funny enough, the Tunisian government says, no, no, there was no drone.

Yeah. So I don't know. CBS says, no, it was hit by what they. They called a fire drone, which I never heard. I don't even know if that's a thing. Oh, don't get me started. If you watched the DMZ America podcast, you would know. I will send you the link.

So, yes, there's a flamethrower drone. There's a flamethrower drone, which is something that I have lusted for for years. Ever since I first heard of it, I'll send you the link. So basically, officially the flamethrower drone, it's basically a gas canister mounted to a drone. and it fires, shoots, you know, burning flames. And the little boy inside me desperately wants one. In the ad, they show it being used to cut down, to basically burn through utility wires if you don't have a ladder

or taking out a wasp's nest that's, you know, a hundred feet up a tree or whatever. But yeah, Flamethrower Joan, $12,000. It could be delivered straight to your house, John. That's all they cost. A flamethrower is only $12,000? Flamethrower drone, GPS guided, with a one-and-a-half-gallon canister, but hey. Well, the Tunisian government released some video.

You really can't tell what's what in the video. I was just now looking at it. But they said that the fire started when one of the activists flicked his cigarette, and he didn't flick it far enough. Idiot, idiots. By the way, where are they sailing out of on this pleasure trues? But they're going via Tunisia. I guess from Tunisia.

I mean, it's a long, freaking way to go from Tunisia to Gaza. Yeah, it sure is. And they're not going to make it again. No, no, they're not going to make it. No. I mean, you and I have friends, on any given one of those Gaza flotillas, we have a half a dozen friends. I'm waiting for my invitation to come by email any second. And they've never made it a single time.

And half the time, the Israelis will board the ship and beat the shit out of everybody. And, you know, it's just a big mess. The last time Medea Benjamin went, the Egyptians intercepted the ship, pulled her off, and then broke her shoulder by bending her hand, her arm behind her back so hard. Fuck. Yeah, yeah. They're real dicks about it. God forbid you should anger the Israelis. You don't want to do that.

No, that would be bad because after all, there's such incredibly nice, wonderful people. Okay, Robbie, put up that ad. I'll read it. All right, so I know you've said that cryptography wasn't your specialty at the agency. No. That said, cryptographers Dakshita Kurana and Kabir Tomer have now developed quantum one-way puzzles, which offer a robust alternative. You know, cryptography is, of course, an arms race to classical encryption.

This bypasses previous vulnerabilities, and basically, creates a permanent problem matrix. So for people who don't know what quantum physics is, basically it's the idea that things can sort of appear to be in two places at once and that no two events recur. So it's basically the uncertainty principle writ large. And with classic cryptography, the puzzle is the puzzle, right? The solution is the solution.

It's a formula. It's a, you know, you just have to find it. Um, this is not that, but of course there will be a way to solve it, but it's just, it's a whole new level like quantum computing, uh, where it's taking advantage of basically very strange physical theories, physics theories. I'm going to go ahead and read, uh, I'll let you, this, I'll let you, uh, ponder while I, uh, read the ad here. Still haven't tried 1775 coffee. Now is your shot. 1775 starter ship just dropped only a thousand units. You're getting the bold dark roast that hits hard, the smooth, the medium roast, and the vitality mushroom coffee. For clean energy and laser focus, no crash, all single origin, small batch, toxin-free and mold-free. Plus, you're also getting a gold spoon clip because freedom isn't scooped with plastic.

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Yeah, that's good. I do like the Westwood commercial. God, that one's hard. You should do that one next. I'm going to see if anyone, if you get as tongue-tied as I do, I'm like, the Westwood One.com on Westwood, um, so quantum cryptos. I mean, this seems like your former colleagues are going to be. Yeah, they'll be all over this.

Yeah, they'll be all over this. The question that I would have, though, is, and I still have the same question about, you know, Bitcoin. I kind of understand Ethereum, kind of, because it's, it does something. But what would this crypto, if this, what did you call it? It's quantum cryptography. Quantum, quantum, a cryptography. what would it accomplish? Why do we need this?

How does this help? It's harder to crack. So basically what it, a good way to put of it. So I don't think of a good, a good way to put it. So, okay, so, okay, Cold War thing. This is totally from your past. So you know how the Soviet Union used to publish maps that weren't 100% accurate? That's right.

That's why used cars, that's why used cars that had been. and owned by diplomats were so expensive in Moscow because they always came with an actual map, not one of the fake maps with the wrong streets and stuff on it that the Russians would sell people. So everything was always like a little off, right? And so it's sort of like, and there's other analogies like that. So basically in quantum cryptography, let's just say the code is, you know, whatever. It's a long string of numbers. well okay so the thing is it's actually like weirded out and it's a little bit off

and so anyone your adversary is trying to crack that code they can get close but they can't nail it yeah that's that's that's the thing but so someone with the quantum key can fix it so it's like enigma on steroids oh my god because it's not it's not retro it's not it's not right you can't retro engineer it like you could the main advantage of quantum is that you can create the message and encode it. But let's just say you were able to, even if you knew, somehow, let's just say, John, you send me something, you say hello. And then someone intercepts that and says, okay, I see John put in hello,

Ted received hello, and it went through this funnel. The thing is, normally, if you know that, those two things, then you can figure out the the funnel. See, and that's how the British were able to crack the German communications during World War II because everything was encrypted, but the Germans always ended up or ended every cable with H.H. H. Hitler. And so they started with pattern. We know what H is. So then you look for three letter words with H in the middle. That's probably the. So now you have the T, the H, and the E. And then you just work on it for a month, two months, three months.

Which is also similarly, it's similar to the way that the Egyptologists decrypted hieroglyphics. And so the, but see, the thing is, in quantum, knowing what you put in and what came out does not reveal the workings of the funnel. Interesting. That's the advantage. Hey, real quick, real quick, Ellie Louise asked us a question a while ago and has to leave to walk her dog. Do we prefer slow-roasted lambshank or a kleptico? Gleptico is a leg of lamb that's wrapped in paper and slow-roasted. They make it in grease, but it's like piled with spices.

And it takes a good five or six hours to cook. So when it's done, it just falls right off the bone. Lambshank's great. My dad always used to order it. Every time we'd go out, I prefer. I'm with you. For sure. Anyway, you know, I'm a slut for spices.

Me too. All right. So anyway, so quantum cartography would be one more thing that you would not have enjoyed at the agency. No, no, not for me. No. I got bored too easily. I needed excitement. Yeah.

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