DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Charlie Kirk Suspect Arrested”

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

On the “DeProgram” show with political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, we dissect the news with unflinching insight and a unique pair of journalistic backgrounds. Today we confront escalating tensions between ICE and city residents, the capture of a suspect and calls for retribution in the Charlie Kirk killing, and California's defiant stand against the federal government.ICE Kills Immigrant in Chicago: Federal ICE agents encounter Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez during a routine stop near Grand Avenue and Elder Lane in suburban Chicago, part of ICE's Operation Midway Blitz targeting undocumented individuals with criminal histories like reckless driving. Villegas-Gonzalez refuses commands, accelerates his vehicle, striking an officer and dragging him, prompting the agent to fire in self-defense, killing the driver while sustaining injuries himself. Community leaders decry the incident as a stark example of militarized enforcement endangering neighborhoods.Capture of Charlie Kirk's Alleged Shooter: Authorities apprehend 22-year-old Tyler Robinson from Washington City, Utah, accusing him of fatally shooting conservative influencer Charlie Kirk. Robinson, a high-achieving former student at Utah State University with no prior criminal record, emerges from a tight-knit Mormon family, his capture facilitated by relatives and a friend after he confesses or implies involvement. Discord messages, surveillance video, and family interviews reveal his recent anti-Kirk sentiments expressed at dinner. Investigators recover a Mauser 98 bolt-action rifle in .30-06 caliber from a wooded area, along with casings inscribed with taunting memes, antifascist references like "Bella Ciao," and gaming allusions such as Helldivers 2 airstrike codes, underscoring a politically motivated act prepared with practice.Trump Invades Memphis: The President plans to deploy federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Memphis, Tennessee, inspired by concerns raised by a FedEx board member about the city's crime rates. Despite Memphis Police reporting overall crime at a 25-year low, with murders and assaults declining, Trump extends similar rhetoric to New Orleans, vowing military involvement if needed, while the city's sanctuary status limits ICE cooperation. Tennessee Governor Bill Lee welcomes the support.California's Mask Ban for ICE Agents: Lawmakers advance legislation banning federal immigration agents from wearing masks like balaclavas during raids across California, alongside requirements for visible badges or name tags to safeguard public trust and democratic norms. Assemblymember Juan Carrillo frames the bill as essential to prevent "secret police" tactics in an authoritarian vein.

If it's Friday night at 5 p.m., it's time for D-Program with Ted Roll and John Kiriakou, and here we are. John, it's good to see you. I really enjoyed part five of the Rumble Premium interview that I've been doing with you, fifth out of five. It's going to drop very, very shortly. And so that was fantastic. If you're not doing Rumble Premium, that would be almost perfect. do it right there. Yeah, we had fun.

We had fun today. I'm embarrassed that it took me five hours to tell the story of my life. But what are you going to do? Well, I totally, I couldn't disagree more. I mean, honestly, I think, honestly, I think it probably calls for six, but we should, we'll leave it right where it ended in such an elegant place, almost like in a movie. I was like, okay, we should just do that.

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27 years is kind of a long time. But ICE, I guess everyone probably could have seen this coming. ICE has killed someone. They killed an immigrant. They were trying to apprehend in Chicago. We'll talk about that. Obviously, the big story of the day, Tyler Robinson is the 22-year-old suspect in the murder of Charlie Kirk. That obviously needs to be discussed at some length.

Trump is now targeting Memphis with the National Guard. And California, Governor Gavin Newsom now has to decide whether he's going to sign a bill that passed the Democratic-controlled legislature that would ban the use of masks for ice agents and any other law enforcement personnel in the state of California. There's some question as to whether or not they would. would be able to do this in the state of California. So what suits you, John? What would you like to talk about first?

Well, first, I want to thank whoever, whomever it is, who sent me a box today from Amazon with two pounds of coffee and a whole bunch of packs of delicious black licorice, this black liquor, I think I know who it is. So I will thank them. Thank you very much. There are two of my favorite things. the world. Okay. So I apologize for my pixelation. I am not at home. And so I don't have a

decent internet connection, which is going to be like the story of my life the next couple of months. Okay. Let's talk about Tyler. What's his name? Tyler Robinson. Not to be confused with Tyler Nixon. No, who we love. Tyler Robinson. You know, people over the last a couple of days have made pretty compelling arguments that, you know, this could have been a conspiracy of some sort. It could have been a foreign country involved. It looks like it wasn't. It looks like unfortunately it was

it was just just some kid who had become increasingly obsessed with politics in the wrong way over the last months or year. He apparently

either confessed to or intimated to his father that he had done it. He's not cooperating with the authorities, which is really what you want to do. Don't talk to the cops. Period. There was a report that he confessed, though, isn't there?

Or does that mean that he just, he would, not to the cops, he confessed to the his father. To his father. there were different reports here he or he did do his father or told his father that he had done it um and his father took him to turn himself in but uh yeah like a mantra listen it doesn't matter if we're talking about going through a stop sign without coming complete stop or committee capital murder. Don't talk to the cops. Their job is to get you to talk so that you implicate yourself

and you get the harsh possible punishment. So don't talk the cops. Now with that said, if what this kid did, if what we think this kid did, he actually did, then this is just a terrible thing. I've been yelling all day. This is like my fifth podcast today. I have to stop doing this but i've been saying violence is to something that you just simply disagree with if you don't like the way somebody's talking murdering that the answer i have to say ted you and i have a good friend with whom we used to work and we're also i'm also a facebook friends with her and i have been sickened over the last two days to see her her Facebook post to the point where I know who you're talking about yeah it's what are you talking about you know and then one of my housemates I'm not at

my house so I'm going to speak loudly and freely I live as most of you know I live with an elderly gay couple they rent two rooms in my house and one of them came up to me yesterday and said how happy he was that Charlie Kirk was dead because Charlie Kirk advocated for the stoning of gays. First of all, he never ever advocated for the stoning of gays. And secondly, shame on you for wishing death on someone

just because you disagree with their politics. I said, you're as bad as these these gen Zers or whatever they are in this generation. who are advocating violence and violence to death because they don't like somebody's politics. Well, he advocated the stoning of gays. So I Googled that, and I found the original report.

The original was a tweet. No, it's not truly. He never said it. It was a tweet from Stephen King saying, fuck Charlie Kirk. He called for the stoning of gays. And then today, and I'm going to find it, here it is. today he tweeted he tweeted i apologize charlie kirk never never advocated stone being gazed to death

this is exactly like that that that you know mark twain the most quotable american ever who you know said that the uh lie goes around the earth travels around the earth two or three times before the truth gets up in the morning and and that's a classic example um we have a youtube follower Sebastian Escamilla who says hey John and Ted huge fan for the last few months and finally have something to add as I was 30 feet to the left of Charlie when the shot went off at UVU oh my god it's this is at a moment like this it was cool if we could pop him in on the video but um whoa yeah yeah horrifying I mean I would love to if you know Sebastian if you're up for it. Just maybe just post, you know, put in a little comment or, you know, post

whatever you want, really. But, um, please do, Sebastian. Good. Lord, that must have been, listen, man, you're going to live to be 100. You're never going to get that. By the way, I'm okay with what Adam Fighters just posted, right? I do not condone, but I do not mourn. Yeah, you're not required to mourn anyone. You know, I mean, every day, you know what is it uh 44,000 men and women dead every day as uh in don't fear the Reaper although apparently he made that number up completely um but you know I mean tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people die every day I don't mourn 99.999% of them because I don't know them um and so you don't have to mourn anyone um you know you can totally you can think that

you can think that Charlie Kirk was a deplorable person you can hate his politics you can hate personally, that doesn't mean, you know, and I guess if you approve of political violence, you approve a political violence, but you shouldn't approve a political violence because you don't like someone's opinion. You either approve of it as a tactic, which means you approve it when it's used against people you agree with, too, or you don't. I don't, as someone who, you know, could be a target of political violence and has been threatened with it, I disapprove of it very strongly when used against anyone yeah yeah you're exactly right oh man i have to and lots of really good questions today or not questions but comments in the in both of the

chats the rumble and the youtube so keep them coming and i again apologize for the slowness of my my internet connection and my pixelated appearance sorry about you have to you from now on john you have to travel with your own portable, hardwired Ethernet connection. I think I actually might do that. After your recommendation, I'm not either. I bought a 100-foot Ethernet cable, and it's just changed everything. So, Ted, where do we go next? This is not going to be a quick thing.

This is going to be, you know, we should probably expect, you know, eight to 12 months of investigation, then we start the hearings, and this could go on for years, yeah? Well, yeah, I mean, like, just literally as I was firing up the countdown, the news broke on the wires or on the phone, however you want to put it, that the DOJ is looking into federal charges. Now, John, I was going to ask you this because we didn't talk about it. How is it, why are the FBI involved in an intra-state, Utah, only crime involving a Utah victim at a Utah setting with a Utah suspect where the suspect did not cross

state lines and why would federal charges be involved except just for political grandstanding purposes? Oh wait, I answered my own question. Yeah, there it is. Donald Trump loved Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk turned out the youth vote for Donald Trump. Turning Point USA has brought thousands and thousands of young people into the Republican Party. So they were all friends. But you're right. And because this was like totally domestic, really the only federal crime that he can be charged with

is deprivation of civil rights. That's it. But if he's going to be sentenced to firing squad, if he's convicted in Utah, then why waste the taxpayers time and money filing federal charges against him? It doesn't make any sense. By the way, John, I just sent out my syndicated column right before we went on the air. And I looked up the statistics.

I was kind of curious about right-wing versus left-wing-oriented political violence. And for whatever it's worth, there was a study that basically purports to count every terrorist plot and act of political violence between 1994 and 2024. Between 1994 and 2020, the stats were that basically about 57% percent, of all political violence originated on the right and about half of that originated on the left and then the remainder is just basically it's political, the victims are political but the politics are confusing

or the person's just psychotic or whatever. Interestingly, the ADL, and of course obviously these days you have to take anything the ADL has to say with a big lump of salt. But that said, the ADL's to take, of political violence over the last four years literally finds for four years in a row zero acts of political violence or assassination originating by leftists and all of them from the right. And this is none of this. I mean, obviously there's been some, the two Israeli embassy

staffers were arguably killed by a leftist, right? Probably. But the point is that overwhelmingly right wingers do this more than on the left they just do and and that doesn't mean it's ever okay um you know luigi mangioni i don't think that's a political act really i mean i think it's sort of a political act but it's not a left versus right act in the same kind of way but my point is no it's never okay but it's weird to me to hear all these right winger so angry it's like you guys are you know what's going on you guys you know you guys you know we're not going to take it. We're going to fight back.

I'm like thinking, okay, first of all, there is no war. There's one guy. Okay, one fucking guy. He didn't check in with, you know, the common turn. He didn't check in with Ted Raul or John Kariakka. Say, hey, do you mind if I killed Charlie Kirk? We would have said, yes, we mind. Don't do it.

So there's no conspiracy. There's no war. Okay, so whoever you guys are, I don't know, there's one guy, and he's in jail where he belongs. And then there's, so there's that. And then if it's a war, you guys are winning. You're kicking our ass. So be happy.

I don't know. It's a little frustrating to me. The spin is crazy. The spin is crazy. I've got this friend from childhood from like kindergarten. He stayed in our hometown, works on cars, you know, small town, small town life. Good guy, good-hearted guy. irrationally right wing and he has just lost his shit over the last couple of days on

Facebook about the left I hate when people do that because literally nobody's able to define the left means in the United States or the right for that matter and and finally I listen I go out of my way not to challenge people on Facebook because like the Greek Orthodox what a waste of time follows me oh yeah and three bishops

and like a dozen priests and I got to watch what I say I try not to use the F word on Facebook because all these like church hierarchs are following me and so so finally I said to this friend of mine

today I think that you're right to be furious over Charlie Kirk's murder. But what you say about the left is just complete and total horseshit. Where were you when Paul Pelosi was attacked? I said, I remember you saying that you had it on good authority and it was going to be on Fox soon, that this was two gay lovers who got into a spat and one hit the other with the hammer, and it has been proven this was a homosexual trist that went wrong like what the fuck are you talking about and then when when the news was finally released saying that you were full of shit

and o'an was full of shit and newsmax too i don't remember you see you saying hey listen i was wrong about paulosi this was a political attack thank god the guy didn't bash his brains in and and murder him just because he didn't like Paul Pelosi's wife. So this hypocrisy is just, it's really getting me down. And I shouldn't be surprised by it, but I'm very bothered by it. Yeah. No, it's, I mean, it's, it's stupid. I mean, ideally we would have, you know, a, we'd have leadership and not just from the White

House, but in the, you know, in the media, that would be able to cool, you know, cool the temperatures and just say look um you know this is we have a problem in our society um we have mental you know mental illness is a huge issue here i wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that there's something wrong with this kid um uh you know i mean although you know whatever being mormons could be crazy too right um yeah right and then you know there i don't remember this out yeah i don't remember a lot of uh you know right wing fox news uh outrage over the Republican who killed the Minnesota state representative, right?

And her husband. Speaker and her husband. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, they were like, oh, well, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. Yeah. And there is something, there's a legitimate criticism

in in Charlie Kirk's position that school shootings and mass shootings were the price that we pay to have a second amendment he said it he believed it and then he was felled by a gun so that's just a fact of life that i think we can debate but um you know he he advocated the stoning of gays and all this i'm just not i'm just not yeah brian i'm sorry the video is probably um i don't know if my half of the video is any better than john's half but right now john's uh not a not it doesn't have the best internet connection. You don't have me. Totally my fault. Yeah. You can score one of those

cables. That's the way to go. Yes. If you're there next week at the same place. Yeah. So, okay, so basically the casings were inscribed with references like Bella Chow, which was an anti-fascist statement from World War II and gaming illusions, which is interesting, because that's not my world, but I'd have to talk to my kid about that. But anyway, the point is so, you know, this is a 22-year-old kid. Of course, you know, guys, you know, are into gaming, especially at that age nowadays. I mean, it seems to me, to me, the really interesting thing about his profile is that he's apparently by all accounts, you know, an excellent student scored in the top one percent on his standardized

testing, you know, high achieving at Utah State University. So he was at Utah State University, and apparently he was ranting about how Charlie Kirk was coming, it pissed him off, and, you know, talk about, you know, here I'm going to agree with the right. You know, the right's been talking about how campuses have been censoring conservative speakers. Well, this is the ultimate example of a student censoring a, you know, a speaker on campus. I don't know if he was still a student, 22 years old. I don't know if he graduated or if he's a graduate student maybe. We need more information about that. But, you know, it's just, it's just a very, I don't know. It's like whenever I see something like this, I think we've lost two young men, right, in this,

in this bullshit. Oh, my gosh. I think the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like what a tragedy this is. And I didn't realize until today that that Tyler Robinson's father is in law enforcement. Like how embarrassing, how humiliating. And then when you've got the governor of the state saying before they've even identified you, we're going to seek the death penalty. And they ask to keep people all the time in Utah. They even have a firing squad in Utah thanks to Gary Gilmore. Yeah.

What do you do? Where do you turn? then to tell your kid as you're taking him to the cops to uh have him turn himself in just tell him don't say a word and then hope that maybe at some point you can negotiate a guilty plea uh for life parole i mean what do you do i i that's all you can do that's all you can do yeah yeah i mean it's like yeah your your your son is basically gone his life is over I mean, you know, we're assuming it's him. I'm assuming it's him.

Yeah, we're assuming it. Yeah. Any more to say about this before we move on to something else? People are asking a police. Let's see, where can I? Where is it? There it is. Police, but not real police.

The good police, the Greek national police. See that? So it's okay, they're the good police. Would I feel that way if I were pulled over by them in Greece? Oh, they say, Ah, Kiri, Kiyaku, ah, Sassi this on YouTube, Brona, Juan, Afrographia. So I say yes, and I signed my autograph, and then they let me go.

Okay, then. All right, now we know. all right so uh should we talk about the invasion of chicago or sorry or the invasion of memphis yeah you know what let's do chicago first because this got out of hand right quick so ice tried to pull over a guy i'm not sure why uh if if it was if he was targeted or if this was a traffic uh issue or whatever um he took off the cop grabbed on to the car, he dragged the cop. And apparently the cop is in serious but stable condition,

but the other cops just opened fire on this guy and killed him. So it got ugly on day one in Chicago. And as you just said, meanwhile, Trump said he's going to send ice to Memphis, which is one of the most dangerous cities in America. And he's going to, he's going to D.C. Memphis now. Yeah, the National Guard are going to Mexico. Memphis. So, yeah, I mean, so, you know, John, is it just me or I feel like I've seen a lot of videos where cops try to grab the car? Yeah. Well, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you know, a car weighs a

minimum of 2,000 pounds and probably more, you know, which like, you know, then you go weighs to that. You don't weigh 2,000 pounds. So it's physics that you're going to lose to internal combustion, right? I mean, if the guy tries to take off, follow him. I mean, I don't know. It seems like it happens a lot. Yeah. So just follow him. Save yourself. Was it really worth it? Yeah. I do not know. Yeah, I kind of just do not understand that at all. I think we're going to see a lot more of this kind of thing. I mean, you know, you're sending people into, I mean, you're you're turning, you know, these immigrants into desperadoes. I mean, why wouldn't the guy try to take off and get away? I mean, what does he have to lose? Right? What do you have to lose?

Exactly. Take off. Mr. Athenian wants to know if you're in Greece. Oh, I just answered back, not yet, but I'll be in Rhodes in December. Nice. Which I'm looking forward to very much. Excellent. Oh, oh, right, right, right. I know about this story. G G GK says the cops are leaving their fingerprints on the car. But you don't have to grab the car. You just touch the car. They touch the trunk or they touch the back of the car to leave fingerprints. But this guy grabbed onto and allowed himself to be dragged,

which just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, I hate to blame the victim. It was a dumb move. It was a dumb move. Tom makes a good point here. And I'm glad you brought it up because I was going to raise it yesterday and I forgot. um on fox i was watching fox because their coverage would be better of the charlie kirk thing than everybody else i had to i had to change the channel when that awful blonde came on at

nine o'clock whatever her name is i forget um but they were they were doing these you know the the sad music just before they go to uh american marty exactly and and so they're they're doing pictures of Charlie Kirk with his kids and Charlie Kirk smiling and looking off into the distance. And Charlie Kirk yucking it up with Kyle Rittenhouse. Like seriously, this is that little punk who opened fire on what was it, three guys and killed two of them or killed three of them. I don't remember the details anymore. Yeah. And then went on trial and was found not guilty and briefly, you know, had his 15 minutes of fame thanks to Fox News. But it kind of was an inappropriate picture to use in this montage.

Just my thought. No, obviously I couldn't agree more. So with that, Trump is now finally, look, here's the thing. Every now and then Trump like a blind pig stumbles onto a truffle. And I got to say, this member's thing sort of feels like it. So now he's sending the National Guard to Memphis, which really truly is one of the most dangerous cities in the country, a true hellhole. I'll never forget going to this convention of alternative newspaper editors, and we're staying at this fancy hotel. And one of the editors got his kidnapped in his own car from right in front of the hotel.

And the kidnappers drove him out to the middle of nowhere, beat the crap out of him. He almost died. And this was broad daylight right in front of, right in front of the hotel. You know, so Memphis, it's, it needs the help. But as usual, you know, this is, it's, again, you know, this could really get out of control. Now, in that situation, the tenant, the governor of Tennessee is a Republican, Bill Lee. He says he's all about it. He likes it.

Now, he's also What he's really saying that New Orleans. Yes, I'm sorry to interrupt you. What he's really saying the hidden message is I can't control my own state. So somebody please bail me out.

Well, also, there's racial dog whistling here, right? I mean, you know, Memphis is a very black city. New Orleans is a very black city. I definitely see that also even playing domestically. inside the state, like, oh, well, you know, I'm going to let the Donald come in and send troops to beat up some black people in that very black city. And, you know, you white voters will approve of that, yeah? That's exactly right. I hate to say. But yeah, that's what we're

looking at here. But you're right also about New Orleans. I mean, New Orleans needs a clean up. Why not look at New Orleans? Well, apparently Trump is now hinting about New Orleans. So that could happen. Memphis, like, Houdini says, Memphis makes Kabul look like Disney World. Well, especially now. I mean, Cobble's great now in terms of safety. It is, actually. I can't wait to go back.

I'm not even kidding at all. I was talking to a documentary filmmaker today. She's going next week. And I said, yeah, I said, Godspeed. I hope it's okay. She said, oh, I was there a couple of months ago. It's fantastic now. And that's, of course, all relative.

But, yeah, it was way worse when we were, you know, occupying it. So, yeah, yeah. So speaking of ICE, so this is an interesting story, John. So the California State Assembly has overwhelmingly passed legislation that I'm a million percent in favor of, to ban all federal immigration agents and any other law enforcement agency in the state of California from wearing any mask like a balaclava at all, and that they have to wear visible badges or name tags so the people can identify who they are, and they know that they're not just murderers or kidnappers. I mean, you know, the assembly member Juan Carrillo

says it's important to try to prevent secret police tactics and authoritarianism. And I think it also keeps law enforcement officers, including ICE officers, safer. You know, it keeps them safe so that no one can say, well, I didn't know who that was. I shot him because I thought I was being kidnapped. That's right. This is a good move. I think that the feds are going to make the argument that federal law, supersedes state law and that federal at least policy allows them to cover their faces yeah the

supremacy clause and what they have already said and this was this was especially um out there two three weeks ago is that um uh is afraid of being not just outed but uh what's the word uh where they just put all your information out there your address your kids names uh yeah whatever that word is um that's what they're afraid of they just don't want to be identified they don't want they don't want their families to be threatened or whatever but you know if you want to be joe tough guy and crack heads go to california crack heads well you know then take the whole deal totally yeah um i don't know i mean legally i just don't know how that's ever going to work, right?

I mean, how do you, I mean, you know, I just, I think it's like, so you're basically, I guess it depends on how the law is written, right? And it's, it's all going to depend on that. I don't know. What do you think? Do you think Newsom's going to push out or do you think he'll sign it? He has a month to decide.

I think he'll sign it because he wants to go nose to nose with Trump. There was a good article in the Washington Post. last weekend saying that Newsom is trolling Trump and Trump falls for it every single time. I tell you, this was risky on the part of Newsom because if Newsom had, well, done what he's done and like mimic Trump's irrational writing style with randomly capitalized letters and lots of exclamation points and ending his posts with sad exclamation point, if Trump had just ignored him he would have marginalized him but instead trump became infuriated and then attacked back which then gave newsome an opening to attack yet again i was very surprised that it worked yeah it was too

i was too which then just proves again that trump actually does his own social media yeah yeah he does thank you very much for the generous donation over there on rumble five dollars thank you chrysmatic chry uh chris mick i don't know how you pronounce that i'll say chrysmatic why not oh he says judge napolitano had professor geoffrey saxon and he said that there's no way the cia in pentagon didn't know about the cutter attacks by israel british help the israelis i hadn't heard that about refuelers wondering if they were saudi refuelers But I agree there's no possible way that the Israelis could have done this without informing United States or even if they didn't inform the United States, the United States picking it up

on radar or in Elant, you know, people chatter and talk on walkie-talkies all the time. So, yeah, I think that's probably right. And then Ryan Jude, thank you very much for the just dollars. Thank you both for making my right home better every day. Oh, man, see, that's exactly right to hear. Thank you for that. John, I've been a fan of yours since the first time you went on Danny Jones. Thank you.

That was literally the fattest that I was ever in my life. Thank you for your service to our country and the truth. Thank you very much, Ryan. Yeah. An American sweetheart. I know who you are. Do you want to be a tough guy? You chose the profession.

Amen. Amen. These guys want to go out and credit. But at the first sign of danger, so many of them just run up the hills. I've never understood it. Never understood it. But it's true. What else we're looking at today? Well, we could talk about Bolsonaro. You know, I'm the former president of Brazil, has just been sentenced. I don't think he can get out of it to 27. This is the high court, 27 years in prison. So he's basically, bye-bye. That's a life sentence. Yeah. That's a life sentence. Yeah. That's a life sentence. sentence. Yeah, it is. I mean, I mean, I don't know. You know, we, I don't know how I feel about that.

I mean, on the one hand, do we need to do, I'm being asked about the cat's name, Michael Gardner wants to know, this is Clovis. I wish I could take credit for him. He's, Clovis was the first king of France who brought Christendom to France. He, he was a pagan dude and he wanted a, he Frankish pagan and he wanted to marry a Christian lady and she was like, you're not going to get to tap this Christian ass unless you convert the entire country. And he's like, yeah, no problem. Okay, I guess I'm going to have to keep talking there about Clovis. Hopefully we'll get John back. He just sort of disappeared. But I think it's probably one of those swipe things. So yeah, so yeah, Clovis is a Russian blue for people who care about those. things. I've had him since before the Russo-Ukrainian conflict began, and that was a, you know, kind of a funny period because there was even a move among people who hate Russians, especially and support Ukraine, to rename Russian blues, officially Ukrainian blues, in the same way that Russian dressing was going away. But none of this affected Clovis. He was completely fine. Anyway,

But he's also as hypoallergenic as a cat can be, which is an important thing. My son and I both have asthma. So when we were looking for cats, I was looking for cats that are like that, that are not, that are hypoallergenic, just means they're not completely 100% hypoallergenic. It just means, ah, here comes John. Let's bring them back in. it just means that they're uh there you are i was talking about my cat yeah i have no idea i was just sitting here looking at the screen and it just wiped me out sorry my apologies yeah it's funny

someone was saying oh they cost thousands of dollars yeah no i was shopping for this cat um and they were $2,400 to $2,500 each at the time and but i wanted one because they're i had done research and they're hypoallergenic and i have i'm a little bit allergic to cats and i have asthma so does sun. And so, yeah, so the hairless cat, which is called the Sphinx, is also hyperalogenic, but it's not the hair. It's the saliva. They have, cats have a genetic marker in their saliva. So basically that's it. Mr. Athenian says you got to buy a better camera or maybe steal my camera. My camera usually sucks. This is a roll reversal for us. But I did some troubleshooting and whatever. We can talk about that. Anyway, Bolsonaro, I mean, part of me thinks

it's great to have everyone equally accountable under the law. And then part of me also wonders, will people want to run for president of a country if they think this can happen to them? I mean, you know, this happened to the president of France was sent to prison for a few years. You know, it's, it just seems it's a little scary. On the other hand, you shouldn't be able to just do whatever the fuck you want and it's good that there's some accountability so i don't know yeah i i agree completely you know do you remember ted when bosenaro briefly um moved to miami after he lost the presidency and people were posting pictures of him like at safe way doing his grocery shopping and stuff he just should have stayed in miami you know the

Provenor Sartner-Mucharf didn't keep trying to go back to Pakistan. He was briefly in Washington, then he ended up in Dubai. He saw the writing on the wall. Like, why in the world would Bolsonaro go back to Brazil? He was such an arrogant dude, Joe. That's what it is. I mean, it's the hubris. He thinks that he can get away.

He's just like, I'm a badass. I can do whatever I want, blah, blah, blah, blah. I should just finish my story. I did not pay $2,500 for the guy, just say. I ended up, he kind of fell off a truck. I got him for 400 bucks. I'll just put it that way. That's great.

Oh my God. He ended up buying him for like, it was like a drug deal in a Walmart parking lot on the, barely in Rhode Island across the Connecticut line. And this like lady pulls up next to me and she's like, you got the money. I'm like, you got the cat? Oh my God. So that's how I'm going to be with a Bichon-Fri-Say. I love those routine time, guys.

I do. I know there are gray market pets out there, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I did? I went to the ASPCA website, and I signed up for these email notifications. Anytime a Bichon-Free Say comes up for adoption. So I get an email every three or fours. But it's always like a Bichon-Free say that is 16 years old and has arthritis in all of its knees and is near death.

And they just want like a doula to essentially escort the dog into its death. No, that's not what I want. I want one that's going to like jump up and down when I get home from work or something. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm okay with adopting like an elder cat. You know, like if a cat's 10 years old, I mean, you know, hey, cats 10 years old could live another 10 years. You don't know.

But even if it only lived four or five, that's okay. But, no, I'm with you if it's like a death door. Also, you know, when I was hunting for my Russian blue, it took a lot of times it's like the, they'd say, oh, you know, you have a hit. It's in Pennsylvania. And it's like, and I'd be like thinking, so I'd call. I'd be like, you know, can I get, if I'll get in the car right now. It's like, I'm sorry, sir, but if someone.

no one walks in right now our policy is we give it to them first so which i understand their policy right they can't be like on hold and then i come and maybe i don't want it right they have to give them to the first taker but you know it's kind of like am i really going to drive like six hours and maybe come up catless right right exactly hey somebody has a question i i and i feel i want this i want the answer to this question so how did the truth or last night yep let's hear it i was genuinely worried about this last night because there are there there are a lot of crazy people out there and after this chart thing i don't it has me rattled a little so i and i made a mistake yesterday i was like so not into this that i didn't

read the email very well and it said um that i was going to speak it at 9.30. So at, you know, 845 yesterday morning, I get on my little Vespah, and I put her into Washington, and I go into the building, it's completely empty. So I find some guy there, and I said, hey, where's the, where's the Truther Conference? And he said, oh, I think, I think it's on Capitol Hill. I said, no, it's not on Capitol Hill, it's here. So I call the organizer, just goes to voicemail. Turned out he was sleeping. And it turned out my speech was at 930 p. am so i had to yeah i know right and i i set my alarm honest to god i was so tired yesterday i would have slipped until 10 but i got up early at like 7 15 early for me and um so i went back home and

and did my thing and we did we did the show and and then i went back and so it was surprisingly packed a couple of hundred people which really prized me and and it turned out I was the keynote speaker which put that much more pressure on so before me was Congressman Kurt Weldon and then Congressman Dana Roerbocker and then Congressman Dennis Kucinich okay all of them are former congressmen so they can speak freely and they can say stuff that they couldn't say when they were actually sitting members of congress but then they all sound nuts too you know i and i told a story to a guy i was standing next to waiting to go on first i said i thought dana rorbacher was in prison and he said oh no no no he got out of prison i'm like oh okay um and i said

when i was i was briefly the chief of counterintelligence for uh aleck station before before I went up to the seventh floor. And I get a call from Kurt Weldon's office saying, Congressman Weldon wants to come over. He has some information he wants to give you about 9-11. I said, oh, okay, Congressman's welcome to come and talk to us. He was the number two on the Armed Services Committee. So I tell my boss, hey, Kurt Weldon's going to come over.

He's got some intelligence for us. And he's like, what? He's not welcome in this building. He's one of those truthers. We can't have him. here. So then I had to call back to say, listen, I'm sorry, but the congressman's not welcome in the CIA as awful as that sounds. So in the intervening years, I've gotten a known. He's actually not nutty. He's a nice guy. He has some weird positions on stuff. But he loves, loves,

fireman. He used to be a fireman. The whole speech last night was about fireman. And then Dennis gets up. And you know, think about Dennis Kucinich, too. Like, every time I see him, he must have some kind of because I say, I say, hi, Dennis. And he's like, hello, thank you for your support. And I say, no, no, I'm John Curioch. Oh, yes, of course. Oh, my gosh, I didn't recognize him.

Yeah, we've only met 25 times. But that's always weird. And then he's not a talented politician. He's not a natural politician. He spoke at the Association of America. editorial cartoonists, and I was on the board, so I sat at the speaker's table with him for dinner when he was with his tall wife, who he couldn't keep talking about how lucky he was to be so short while she was so tall.

I looked up to her last night, and I'm 6'1. Yeah, she is a tall lady, and it was a good joke thing, but it was like, it was funny because he was literally so unfriendly to his dining companions, including, me included. I was like, I'm just not used to that. You and I've met a lot of politicians. You probably met more than I have, but I've met quite a few. And they are all, they're all charming, you know, Orrin Hatch was charming. You know, you could disagree with him about everything. And at the end of the night, you'd say, what a lovely guy he was. I loved him. Yeah. I don't like what he did to

Anita Hill, but, you know, but he's a great, he was a great guy. And so, I mean, was weird to me. I was like, well, you know, Dennis, you probably wouldn't have lasted even if you hadn't been gerrymandered out of a job. Anyway, I digress. Go ahead. Well, he's on the schedule to introduce me. So it's 15 minutes. It says specifically 15 minutes remarks and introduction of John Kirooku. He spoke for an hour and 10 minutes, like it was some kind of political speech. and he was screaming as if it was an outdoor political rally screaming into the microphone. He was too close to the microphone, so all you could hear was it's not good.

I ended up just sitting down to the crowd. Like, is he ever going to end up 15 minutes? He goes for an hour and 10 minutes. So finally, I get up. And I'll tell you what really made me mad is I'm approaching. the, the lectern, he and the other two congressmen walk out. And I was like, you assholes, I had to sit here through all your bullshit about firemen and about conspiracies and controlled demolitions and thermite paint.

And at one point, I was the only person not standing for the standing ovation for Wilden. Because like, no, I'm not standing for your controlled demolition. So finally, and I had prepared a speech because I didn't want to sound like an idiot. And I also didn't want to be rude. You and I talked about this before I did it. I disagree with these guys on 99% of their positions, but I didn't want to be rude. And so Dennis said so many wet things, but focused on the Saudis and the,

Israelis. And I thought, aha, that's what I'm going to do. So I never delivered the speech that I wrote. I just went up there and I started winging it about the Saudis and the Israelis. And between the two of them, all criminals. And we need to stop pandering to them and getting on our knees in front of them when they all, when they mean us harm. You know, like Israelis have started this, started this lie, not started it, but they've reintroduced this. lie that they haven't spied on the United States since Jonathan Pollard got caught. That is not true at all. They never stopped spying on the United States.

And then I started yelling about the Saudis. Like, you know, the night that we caught up was a beta, or the day after we caught up was a beta. I'm in his hospital room. And the FBI guy says, hey, we found this diary or it looks like a diary, but the only person who speaks Arabic is Ali Sufhan and he's busy with these prisoners. I said, oh, send it over here. I'll take a look at it. And that's when we saw the cell phone numbers of the three Saudi princes. And I said, when I got home from Pakistan, it was one of the, one of only two times

I ever saw George Tennant lose his temper. There was a meeting with Prince Bandar and George just blew a gasket and was screaming at Bandar that we are going to start killing people, a lot of people and some of them are going to be named al-saud and the next thing you know all three of the princes whose cell phone numbers were in i was a beta's diary died one died on the operating table while having bariatric surgery one died in a single car crash on the riyadh to jetta highway and one went camping in the desert and died of thirst so it's like well either we kill him or the Saudis killed them but the Saudis got to them before we did yeah that's kind of what they do right like the Saudis didn't the Saudis do the same thing to the people that they had killed

Jamal Khashoggi right it was like you know oh we'll kill them and they brought them back and made a big put them on had show trials and it was like 1937 in r in moscow all over again yeah exactly exactly so I And they're not having to address these silly issues of thermite paint and controlled demolition. There's one asshole who came up to me. This is the third time he's come up to me at events to start yelling about how he's right and I'm wrong. And the Jews put explosives in building seven.

I'm like, listen, I said, you say the same fucking thing every time we see each other. I don't like you. I don't agree with you. I think you sound like a crazy person. and I'm not wasting my time with you anymore. And he's like, the Jews blew up the USS Liberty. I said, fine, go celebrate the USS Liberty. And I walked away from him.

Oh, my God. I did. And this friend of mine was like, well, that was harsh. And I said, well, he fucked with me at Arlington Cemetery. Then he fucked with me the last time at the Kennedy Center. And now tonight he's going to come and fuck with me again. I've had it with this guy. I don't even know who this guy is, I said.

He just, he just. corners me at every event. I'm not doing it anymore. I mean, you're kind of required by law to be, you know, according to the 9-11 truthers, to believe everything they say if you're on the left and you don't believe, and you don't trust the government. And, you know, I mean, it's really annoying. And I mean, you know, look, the burden of proof when you have an alternative, alternative narrative, that that burden of proof is always on you. And that might be fair or that might not be fair, but that's just how it is. And so, you know, it's not, and there's too many things that, like, I'm tired of answering

these questions like, oh, like, you know, they wired the building, it's a control demolition. I'm like, that's not even possible. And I can explain why it's, the main reason is because you wouldn't be able to do that without having tons of exposed explosives and wiring all over the place in an office building that 58,000 people worked in every single day. And it would take months. I mean, think about all the work that goes into demolishing an old sports stadium that nobody works in, nobody gives a shit about.

And it doesn't matter. Like, you're not, you're not going to, but here you're demolishing a building right in the middle of a densely crowded lower Manhattan. I mean, the whole thing is absurd. Or it's like, oh, like, why did one part fall at a different rate? Like, it didn't. You know, it's just all sorts of stuff like that. And I mean, the thing was shocking, and I understand why people don't believe that it went down that way, but it mostly did, right, with possible questions.

By the way, one interesting, I was talking a little bit about our question. We both had the question about how the engine was found 12 miles away from, you know, United Flight 93's. impact site in shanksville and um i was talking to a friend about it and they told me you know actually they had a friend who said you know it might have been the the maneuvers that the the hijackers made in the plane they're you know they're inexperienced pilots and if they if they took a turn really dramatically uh without you know doing everything's just right having the flaps just right the engine could literally have just come right off the plane um just because they were fucking around and they weren't good pilots

right it would break off it would break off yeah I'll tell you another funny thing Ted these two morons got into it afterwards about the Pentagon one is like everybody knows it's common knowledge

that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and I'm like okay I'm not I'm not going within 50 feet of that conversation and the other one says it was clearly not hit by a missile you had 50,000 witnesses sitting in traffic who watched the plane go in. Like, no, that's not true.

That's why there's no video footage. Well, there is video footage. There is video footage. Well, there is. You just pretend that there's not. And there were plain parts were found at the scene. Exactly. Exactly.

And then some people are like, oh, and this idiot, this idiot I was telling you about. He's like, well, you completely ignore the findings of professor. list. Oh, the hole wasn't, oh, the hole in the Pentagon wasn't that big. I'm like, the Pentagon was made when the back when we used to build things properly, you know, WPA concrete, you know, reinforced a million different ways. It's built like a fucking brick shit house. Exactly. And I said, I said, listen, I never heard a professor list. I don't give a shit who professor list is. I'm not going to debate this with you because I don't respect you. And that was the last thing I said to him. He just walked.

away. It's like, no, I'm done with these people. Do you think you'll be invited back? I got the nicest thank you note from them today in an email. Yeah, that I talked about exactly what they would have been interested in. And yeah, thank you. Fresmetaz, you are right. It's just like the flat earthers. It's best not to engage. Absolutely. Oh, my God. I saw one of these flat author posts on on facebook the other day where they had the map of the world and this guy posted why would Putin agree to meet Trump in Alaska when Washington is the halfway point between Moscow and and Anchorage and he has this you know gigantic like it's it's 20,000 miles from Moscow to Alaska. It's like, you idiot.

Because the earth's not flat, you idiot. Which, by the way, anyone can tell if they've ever been in a plane and looked out the window. Exactly. Just by looking at it. Hey, Michael Velloff, the birds aren't real thing. I heard. Oh, I love that. Enjoyed that. It was so much fun. Oh, my God.

So awesome. Yeah, I mean, the problem is actually people who believe these things. I mean, you know, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, you just have to say, okay, well, good for you. And then walk away. Walk away backwards, slowly. They're ever so slowly.

Oh, I hope I get pardon so you can buy a gun and protect myself. I love this. Declizo, too. said, if the earth was really flat, cats would have to push everything off by now. That's true. That's true. Oh, man.

It's so true. Well, yeah. John, are you deprogrammed? I'm deprogrammed. I'd like to go to sleep. Yeah, I hear that. All right. Well, let's do the,

let's do the housekeeping. Oh, let's see if there's an ad. No, there's no app. Okay, so we did our duty. Thanks, everyone, for tuning in. You've been watching the program with Ted Raul and John Kirooku. We're here Monday through Friday, 5 p.m. Eastern time.

The birds are real, and there are not as many of them as there should be. So, you know, write to your congressman or something, or feed them. And, you know, have a great weekend. Thanks, everyone. John, always a pleasure. Try to get some sleep.

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