DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “ChatGPT Puts Your Chats on Google”

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

The “DeProgram show” with political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou brings you up-to-date at the start of a busy summer week in the news and deprograms you from corporate news propaganda! • Texas Democrats Dip Out Over Gerrymandering: Over 50 Texas House Democrats flee to Illinois and New York to deny a quorum for a Trump-backed redistricting plan that could add five national House GOP seats for give them a dose of their own medicine. Governor Greg Abbott threatens to annul their elections and to throw them into prison. • Politicizing Unemployment Stats: President Trump’s firing of Bureau of Labor Statistics Commissioner Erika McEntarfer after a weak July jobs report threatens the credibility of economic statistics. Senators like Rand Paul warn against undermining objective data. Are securities markets and capitalism at risk? • Gaza’s “All or Nothing” Deal: Humanitarian groups say Gazans are still starving due to insufficient aid. Hamas’s hostage video terrifies Israeli families. U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff assesses the crisis amid stalled negotiations, calling for a return of all hostages—but what comes if/after the fighting? • MTG Says GOP Hates Women: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene accuses GOP leadership of betraying conservative values and women, citing a “neocon” movement. Will party divisions tear apart the Trump coalition? She stops short of criticizing Trump—is that next? • California Post: Murdoch’s new California Post challenges “print is dead” with a new print product. Clearly NewsCorp smells blood in the water as Dr. Pat prepares to scuttle the Los Angeles Times in a doomed IPO. Does the CP stand a chance? • $15,000 Visa Bond: A proposed $15,000 bond for visa applicants from high-overstay countries slams legal tourists and workers with prohibitively high fees. Will anyone come to the US under Trump? • Everyone Can See Your “Private” ChatGPT Chats: Private ChatGPT conversations are indexed by Google, raising privacy alarms. Users, especially lawyers and their clients, demand stronger data protections from OpenAI. Ted, unreasoned, is still safe! • CIA Director Accuses Hillary: Hillary Clinton’s alleged plan to frame Trump as Russian stooge—is it true? If so, is it a major political scandal? If so, will Democrats ever hear about it?

Good afternoon. It's 5 PM Eastern. Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. It's Monday August 4th, 2025. You're watching D program with Ted Raul and John Kiriakou. I'm Ted Raul. John Kiriakou is over on the right side of your screen. Thanks for joining us. Please like, support and share the show, what we're talking about today and whatever you guys want to talk about as well, Texas Democrats running around trying to keep the Republicans from gerrymandering Texas and maybe helping out New York and Illinois gerrymander for the Democrats.

Meanwhile, President Trump's firing of the Bureau of Labor Statistics lady is having major repercussions bigger than we might have expected. We thought this was kind of a chuckle on Friday. It's still funny, the chuckle. I didn't mean the chuckle. Over in Gaza, the Trump administration's chief envoy Steve Witkoff is pushing an all or nothing deal. We'll explain what that means. MTG dropping truth bombs. She says the GOP hates women. My favorite story of the day, the New York Post is going West young man or year old man. They started a California

version of the paper. We'll get into that. They smell blood in the water. I think as the LA Times six. I'm so sad. So sad about that. 15 might cost you 15 grand to visit the United States, or at least you might have to post 15 grand and you might get it back or you might not. The main story of the day, I think, is going to be this revelation that is not being talked about anywhere else, that when you talk to chat GPT, that's indexed on Google. So that means if you ask chat GPT, you know, my wife is whatever, I'm thinking of like, should I divorce her? Yes, she could find that on Google. All of your friends and co workers could

do for real. It's indexed on Google. And finally, there's some the CIA director is a kid is pushing this narrative that Hillary Clinton came up with a scheme to basically set up Donald Trump as a Russian patsy for Vladimir Putin. And let me add something to that. Let me add something to that last point. In just the last hour, the Office of the Attorney General announced that a grand jury already exists. Oh, wow. And it is hearing testimony aimed at prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Jim Comey, John Brennan, and what's Clapper's first name, Clapper.

James. James Clapper, thank you. As part of the whole Russiagate hoax. So there is a brain- Would that make you sad, John? Would that make you sad? Would you cry? I promised myself I wouldn't gloat.

I put something on Facebook last week when there were these first, these that this was going to happen. And people put laugh emojis and they put angry emojis and whatever. And a lot of people made fun of me. I didn't even say anything. I just posted the article. And then in the comments, somebody said,

you don't really think this is going to happen, do you? And I said, probably not. Not with Hillary anyway. But I'm very hopeful that John Brennan is prosecuted. And if I were John Brennan, I'd be in the market for an A-list criminal defense attorney right now. Yes.

Mr. Clapper has some answering to do as well. Indeed. Yes, he does. And yeah, so I mean, yes, it's Indeed. Yes, he does. And yeah, so I mean, yes, it's partisan. Yes, it's political. It wouldn't happen any other way. It doesn't mean it's wrong. I always like to say that. Yeah, a lot of Democrats, a lot of my friends, most of whom are Democrats, don't see it that

way. John, what should we talk? Where should we start? Should we start with that? Let's start with let's start with Texas. All right, let's do Texas. This is breaking and it's not unprecedented. This has happened before in the recent past. That's right. So all the Democrats in the Texas legislature have fled the state of Texas lest they be rounded up by the legislative police or whoever the police force is.

Austin's Capitol Police. Yeah, the Capitol Police and dragged to the floor of the legislature and forced to vote on this Republican plan to redraw the congressional district boundaries. So if they leave Texas, they can't be arrested and it's a civil arrest. Well, let's not forget the reason they're leaving Texas is to do not, Yeah.

To ensure that the Texas State House can't conduct business because under parliamentary procedure, which goes back for centuries, you have to have a quorum. You have to have a minimum number of people in order to conduct business. That's right.

Now to the best of my recollection, Ted, this happened in Oregon a few years ago. It happened in Texas, too. And it happened in Texas, but not over congressional boundaries. It was over the border. And in the end, one side's going to have to give. I mean, if you live in Texas, you work in Texas, and you're an elected representative in the Texas

legislature, you're probably going to have to end up going back to Texas at some point. Right. But you made a good point in the intro, Ted, that both, well, not even both, New York, Illinois, and California, thank you, Marble, all said, go ahead, Texas, go ahead and redraw the boundaries and throw out five elected Democrats because then we're going to redraw our boundaries and we'll throw out 10 to 12 Republicans. So go ahead and do it.

I'm not sure why the Texans are doubling down on this. When I say Texans, I mean Governor Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton, who's actually not going to be attorney general for too much longer because he's running in the Republican primary against Senator, what's his face? Not not Ted Cruz, John, John Cornyn, right, because Cornyn's not MAGA enough. So there's this battle royale among Republicans there. Wasn't Paxton almost ensnared in a scandal at one point? It's funny too.

Yes, there was a move to impeach him that failed. Now interestingly enough, it was his wife, who is a Texas senator senator who helped to stop the impeachment and then last week his wife left him. It was a sex scandal yeah? It was a sex scandal announced that she's divorcing him because he has been leading a non biblical life. Right in other words he's been balls deep where it's not supposed to be. I just wish people would say that. Hey, my husband's been balls deep. Be awesome. So putting it where it's not supposed to be. So yeah, that's a non biblical life. I love these euphemisms. So great. So yeah, so basically, you know, the politics of it are fascinating, right?

So first of all, I'd like to say that the Texas the runaway state Democrats do kind of point a direction to the National Democrats. It's not quite the same rules. But you know, when Dem, when Hakeem Jeffries says, they have the majority, there's nothing we can do. There are plenty of things that a legislative minority can do and should do to come up with the works. That's right. I like Hakeem Jeffries less and less every single day. And I will admit my own biases.

When he was first elected Democratic leader of the House, I thought, oh, you know what, a black guy from an urban area, that is awesome. Things are going to change. Things didn't change. He's he's as DNC as as any Obama as Barack Obama. This guy is not and you know what? He's not as smart and he's not as politically savvy for sure. You just what you just said. Oh, well, you know, we're we have such a small minority in Texas. There's nothing we could do. Now. There's a whole bunch of stuff you could do you lazy shithead. So they're on the lam. And he doesn't want redistricting

normally doesn't take place at this time of the decade, it takes place, you know, years that end with zero. That's right. And and so this is so you know, john, this brought to mind a big meta point for me, about what's so much what is wrong in our system or the things that people are complaining. We're told, we teach our kids that the system relies on checks and balances. But the truth, that's not really true. It relies a lot more on tradition. And so like when the system was written by, you know, English gentlemen who followed for whom tradition was important.

George Washington set up a tradition, two terms, and that held for over a century. And in fact, even when it was broken, we went back to codifying it in the law. We had a tradition, like who's going to jail a rogue president? Well, even Richard Nixon was like, I'm still an jail a rogue president? Well, even Richard Nixon was like, I'm still an English gentleman, sort of. I get it. You got me. Yeah, I'll step aside. The thing

is, if when traditions break down, that's, you know, a system based on tradition breaks down if the traditions are no longer respected and are disrupted. And that could be for good reason or for bad reason. Think about the Democrats with the filibuster, the judicial filibuster and the other filibusters. These things, these traditions existed in the Senate. They went away and now all bets are off. This is an anything goes situation.

So we're seeing that now. Republicans are like, we don't have to fuck it. We don't have to wait 10 years for a redistricting. We'll do it whenever we feel like it and get five seats. Then the Democrats are like, oh, well, maybe we can do the same shit in New York and Illinois and maybe in California, pick up a few seats that way. We'll gerrymander too. Everybody gets a gerrymander. And if the Supreme Court keeps coming out with these rulings in Alabama, in Texas, in North Carolina, that gerrymandering is A-OK, well,

then it's A-OK for everybody. And the Republicans think that they're untouchable here because they have so focused over the years on state legislatures. And in most states, it's the state legislatures that draw these boundaries. Well, not in all states. And the Republicans don't control the legislatures and it's in most states it's the state legislatures that draw these boundaries. Well, not in all states and the Republicans don't control the legislatures in all states and so they're going to end up getting burned and can I comment on Marvel's comment there in 2008 who would have guessed that Obama would turn out to be in the event

Obama guessed and I'll tell you where uh John Heilman and Mark Halperin wrote a book about the 2012 election called Double Down. I read it. And I did too. It was brilliant. And they were able to find two Obama quotes that made my hair stand up. And the quotes were about himself. In one of them, he said very matter of factly, I never said I was a liberal. That's right. Like, why would anybody think I was a liberal? I remember that very well. I think I know your other quote, but please.

And the other one was, I never thought I would be so good at killing people. He was talking about the drone program. And he loved the drone program. He killed literally 10 times the number of people that George W. Bush killed. He would watch on the tube as that was happening. And when the victim's head would explode,

he'd nicknamed them, look at the squirters. Nick, Obama, I kind of guessed, I'll that you know, I was in the convention hall in 2004 when Obama Was gave his big barnburner speech that set him up for 2008 and at the time I was super impressed that he was campaigning against the Iraq war the stupid war But then I heard him talking about which the good war in Afghanistan and I started to get suspicious So I did a dive in the 2007 2008 cycle into Obama's voting record. Now he wasn't in the Senate when we went to war against Iraq, correct. He had the opportunity

to vote for or against the funding repeatedly. And he voted six out of six times for the funding. And I remember at the time I was screaming this all over the place, but nobody's listening to Ted Raul. I was like, this guy, he votes for all the wars. And then his apologists would tell me, yeah, but Ted, you know, that you once the soldiers are committed, you know, you can't leave them there in the trenches and no bullets to fire back, they'll be overrun. I'm like, they have planes, they can go to the planes and go home. And besides which that's how the Vietnam war ended.

Congress cut off the appropriations. That's why we're not in Vietnam anymore. That's how it would end. It's like we've forgotten how to do that. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. And Marble Marble should be on the show today because he's making all these good comments that Obama's a neocon and Bush is a liberal now when you hear him talk

That's and you know, and that's why Bush is not Bush is not welcome in the White House these days But then when you see him at people's funerals, he and Obama are just yucking it up like old friends Yeah, well, I guess Bush is an affable dude. My favorite Bush quote is still him overheard walking out of the 2016 Trump inauguration. And he's telling someone, well, that was some weird shit. That's awesome. I wish he just, I just wish his politics weren't so shitty.

Yeah, you can say that again. Oh my God. So, all right, so we'll watch this Texas thing. You know, one thought I had was they're hanging out with JB Pritzker in Chicago. And I was like, well, they're being fined. These Texas legislators are being fined 500 bucks a day. JB's got plenty of cash.

Maybe he's just gonna bankroll them and say, don't worry, I got you. Yeah, yeah. He's a well-known billionaire. He's a sign of the famed Pritzker family of drug company fame. And yeah, he's got plenty, plenty of money. He can pay all these fines. No big deal.

All right, let's, should we talk about the California Post? I'm excited about that. I actually am too. Although how much more page six could be could page six be? Well, that's true. So you know, so I think I smell death of the LA Times all the way this decision. Yeah, Dr. Pat soon. Sheong, who has owned the time since 2017, um, is has decided that he's tried to sell it to everybody, including my cat, and nobody wants it. So he's gonna now he's gonna try to

launch an IPO, which will probably be as successful as the we work IPO. It's, you know, I mean, who's gonna buy it? I mean, is he overpaid? He paid 500. It was worth $200 million at the time that he paid $500 million for it. Now it's probably worth 10 bucks with all the debt that he's saddled onto it. So Murdoch, I'm sure, is looking at that and saying, okay, fourth largest newspaper market in the country. There's some money to be made. I can do, if you look at the mock ups that appear in today's New York Post, it

basically looks like they it's the same exact format. It's a tabloid, the same type set. It's the same kind of rhetoric, same kind of headlines, little more California focus, but bunch of questions here. First of all, why California not LA LA Post rolls a lot off the tongue a lot better than California. I mean, obviously, it's a play for San Francisco as well, but I don't think it's going to work. The other thing is, I think the LA Times fucked up by not becoming the national paper of the entertainment business.

Yes, exactly. That's what the LA Post could be easily. I mean, full disclosure, I'm going to apply to be their celebrity cartoonist. Like, TMZ type stuff. In all seriousness, I was going to suggest that to you if you hadn't already thought of it. Yeah. As soon as I saw the announcement,

I was like, oh my God, this is perfect. They won't take me because I'm a leftist, but I mean, I don't have to do political stuff for them at all. I mean, I'd be happy to do, you know, like right now, like why is everyone so excited about Pam Anderson and Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson? That's a cartoon. I could do three, I could do five cartoons about that. So it's, but anyway, but it's still exciting. I'm a little mad about that.

It's gonna be a print edition. It's going to be, and distribution is always a challenge because Southern California is so big and disparate, you know, but I Southern California is so big and disparate, you know, but I think, I suspect they have two or three major challenges here. First of all, the politics of LA are not Murdochian. No, and then although there's conservatives there, there's also the aesthetics of the paper. LA is a very specific place. The culture is very specific politically, aesthetically and otherwise. Yeah. You know, that is a New York looking paper. It's the oldest in the country. And it's and it's a great looking New York paper. But it is not it doesn't fit in. This reminds me when I started in the Alt-weeklies, the Phoenix New Times was the main flagship paper

of the New Times chain that ultimately owned a lot of weeklies around the country, like the Village Voice SF Weekly. And at one point to save money, they decided to cut and paste to get synergies, a lot of their content across, like we'll just use the same stories across all our brands, then we'll save money. We'll make them all look exactly the same in every city.

It's not the only thing that brought them down. They had a lot of other issues, but it but it hastened their demise. I don't think aesthetically that's a good idea. And I don't think you can repurpose New York content for California. No, it's going to have to be original and specific to California. When do is there a timeline on this? Do we know when this publication is going to actually appear on the newsstands?

It not really, it's sort of like it's going to be soon. I'm guessing we're probably looking at the end of this year early next year. I'm actually a little excited about it. Look, a new a new paper plus look the New York that you know, the New York Post is a look, it's an essential read. I have a test called the New Yorker test, which is, is a publication essential? The New Yorker, I hate the New Yorker. I hate, I hate everything about it.

I hate the cartoons. I hate the way it looks. I hate the up the snooty tone. I hate all the Tiffany's ads. I hate it. I have to read it because there's always essential stuff in there. So if someone who hates a publication finds themselves compelled to read it, you've got a successful formula. That's your post is is if you're not reading the New York Post, you should be reading the New York. I Yeah, you should I disagree with almost every word that is printed in the New York Post. But I read it every single day. I do the

crossword every day, which is like a crossword for stupid people. And it is I admit it, I do it every day. And I especially enjoy the real estate section. Oh, God, yeah, the real estate section is great. Actually, it's really great. Yeah, yeah, I want to know what billionaires are buying what houses and where. Yeah, yeah. I want to know great billionaires are buying what houses and where. Yeah. Yeah. I want to know. They have great photos and I mean it must be the easiest story in the world to source. They just go on to like realtor.com and find like what's the most expensive house for sale. Done. That is it. That is it. Oh my God. So all right.

Well, we'll see. I mean, do you think this paper stands a chance? I mean, obviously it has it, the ownership has deep pockets, News Corp based in Australia. And we shouldn't trick ourselves into thinking that there are no Republicans and no conservatives in California. Good point.

And I think that California is big enough and populist enough that, yes, there are going to be enough readers to keep this thing in business. Yeah, I think that's right. And, you know, I think but I think also, the smart play would be to do with the LA Times did not do focus on Hollywood. And to a lesser extent gaming, gaming still doesn't isn't taken seriously in, you know, in the mainstream media, but is a multi, multi, multi billion dollar industry and it feeds into movies and everything else. I don't game. So I'm not

saying this at all out of self interest. I'm just saying, look, that's, that's there. It's been part of the economy for a long time. You know, whoever picks this up is going to, you know, it's, and it needs real reporting. As an aside, I have a, she's not really a friend so much as she's a friendly acquaintance. And honest to God, I don't have any idea how she makes money because she doesn't really do anything. She just lays in bed until three o'clock in the afternoon. And then somebody said, oh no, she's a Twitch gamer.

And I said, what the heck does that mean? I don't even know what that means. my friend explained that there's this twitch this website where people go to watch other people play video games yes my son does that that would make my brain melt yeah and literally it's the gaming equivalent John of like know, when you walk by someone who is watching a sporting event on TV, you're not watching it. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, throw the ball, throw the ball, what are you doing? OK, so if you were, you had a camera on that guy on the sofa,

that would be the Twitch gaming thing. It's like YouTube videos of people opening toys and playing with the toys and then reviewing them as they're playing with them. I don't understand it, but she has 500,000 people that watch her stupid videos of her playing World of Warcraft, of all things. And she makes a living like that.

Right, well. I don't know, man. I know, there are people who probably are like, look at these two derps on TV talking about politics and like, we have 500,000 followers, what are they doing? It's like, who's the fool? Oh my God. Yeah, but yeah.

I will admit that one of my kids watches people open packs of baseball cards. And he's like, oh my God, he got a one of one autographed by so and so, oh my God. It's like, well, you didn't get it. What do you care? You complete stranger. Well, I guess that's kind of like

if Al Capone's vault had had something in it or like, or Storage Wars, right? Storage Wars is somewhat compelling. Yeah, somewhat. Somewhat, I mean, I admit I've watched like three. I like reality TV. I watched like three of them and I was like, I get it. Okay, I'm done here. I will admit that a former girlfriend got me hooked on 90 Day Fiancé, one of the

most brainless shows on television and I never ever miss an episode. Tom says I like watching Twitch streamers play games that they are bad at. It's funnier. Oh, now that would be more fun. I could see that I should do it then because I'd be horrible. Yeah, me too. Me too.

Interesting here. I think this is I think view Galaxy is referring to the same thing. They have to be hot as well though. Okay, I'm not going to argue. I don't know. I don't I don't I'm not familiar with this genre. Um I mean, I know that it exists. I've walked by. I walk behind my son and I'm like, what are you doing? Why are you watching that?

I don't even understand. but I'm sure he feels the same way when he sees me watching the talkies. I you know that I go to uh to Salt Lake City every once in a while. I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that But I'm sure he feels the same way when he sees me watching the talkies. I you know that I go to to Salt Lake City every once in a while

to film episodes of this TV show that I'm sure well I had the chance to meet this billionaire. The other day he's a he's not just a billionaire property developer like legitimate billionaire. He's also the owner of the Skinwalker Ranch that you probably may have heard of. And I said, Oh my God, the Skinwalker Ranch, I've heard all about it. I watched these two documentaries and it has flying saucers and adds this weird magnetic field. And, and something came out of the sky and sucked all the blood out of the cows that were there. And it's, you know, whatever it's big mystery. Oh, he says, you have to, you have to fly out next time you're in Salt Lake, I'll send my helicopter

and we can fly you to the ranch and you can check it out. I said, Oh my God, I'd love to do it. So we're talking about it. Well, I noticed on the history channel that there's this show called, you know, whatever about the skin Walker ranch. So I DVR it Brandon Fugal, that's his name. So I DVR it. And this, this kid that I debated months and months ago, Andrew Bustamante, who, who falsely claims to have been a CIA operations officer with hair that goes like, talk about not drawing attention yourself. Everybody in the world would notice Andrew Bustamante

in a surveillance situation. But anyway, Andrew's on this show. He looks like Sideshow Bob. He looks exactly like Sideshow Bob, yes. Okay, all right. So he's on this show. Like he's been hired by Brandon Fugal to be on this show. And he's trying to be really dramatic.

We've detected a new magnetic force coming from the side of the mesa and then the next like eight episodes they're digging with this backhoe on the side of the mesa and then they don't find anything. They never find anything. They never show you the actual flying saucer. They never show you the body of the cow that no I want to see the body of the cow that had all the blood drained out of it during the night. Yeah. Don't just tell me, oh, there was this cow and it has no blood anymore. Okay, show me.

Maybe it's a chupacabra. Yes. All right, John, this is the question they're asking you. They're not asking me, so I don't have to answer. Yeah, Wright's asking, do you believe in aliens? I actually do. I actually do because I saw this crazy thing that one time that I've talked about it a couple times. You have.

Yeah, there's no beef between Andrew and me. We're friendly to each other, but Andrew is not what he purports to be. Yeah, he's not. He purports to be, you know, Joe CIA ops guy and he was never an operations officer. Well, no, he was he was he was not a covert special activities officer. No, he was not. So here's a here's a here's a here's a business idea. Wait, wait, Jordan, Jordan Johnson. You don't think Bustamante was an ops officer? He told me he was not an ops officer. He was what's called a special ops officer, which means that before my operation as an ops officer,

I'd say, Andrew, put together a surveillance team and make sure I'm safe. Andrew, do my paperwork, my finance paperwork. I'm too busy to do it. That's what a special ops officer does. And before he became a special ops officer, he was a targeting analyst on the analytics side of the house. So no, he was never a CIA operations officer. Never. Some of the chatters are saying that there's breaking news about President Bolsonaro.

Uh oh. Not seeing it yet. All right. I guess it's- Oh, anal ape, that is hilarious. The lead scientist on the show pretends he didn't believe in UFOs until the first episode. He was on ancient aliens before he started the show. You see, this is what I mean. I really wanted to like

the show because I like Brendan Fugel. He's a he seems like a sweet guy. We did a podcast together. And and then he invited me to, you know, to come out and see for myself. I said I'd love to. But but I don't know, man, it just But I don't know, man. It just... No, he didn't fool me. I can spot a phony from a mile away. You know, one thing, I've said this before and I think it bears repeating and I apologize if I'm wasting our viewers' time.

But when I was at Deloitte and Touche, I had gone from the agency to Deloitte and Deloitte. And Deloitte had a lot, a lot of people from the agency apply to Deloitte. And so the partners would ask me to take these guys to dinner and probe them and see, you know, are they legit? Are they lying on their resumes? There were like two out of two dozen that were legit. Maybe three. But the first thing that you ask when you encounter another agency person was what directorate were you in? Okay. And the answer is one of four. D.O., D.I., D.A., D.S. and T.

Right? The Directorate of Intelligence, Directorate of Operations, Directorate of Administration or the Directorate of Science and Technology. And then the second question is always what division were you in? And it's, you know, Counterterrorism Center, Counterintelligence Center, Counter Narcotics Center, and then like Near East, East Asia, South America, Africa, whatever. But so many of these guys are like, yeah. Thank you USC by the way.

Oh, thank you USC. So many of these guys are like, yeah, I was a special ops, black ops, wet work. I was, you know, deep covered. Like, no, nobody talks like that. That's only in the movies. That's why one of my favorite CIA films is Three Days of the Condor,

because it's about a guy who has the most unassuming analyst job in the world. It's so, you know, Robert Redford, it's a great- Yes, it's absolutely wonderful. I love it. Listen, I'm responding to Tom right now. All right, so, Paul Sparrow, in fact, has been ordered under House, I'm not going to do that. I love it. Um listen, I'm responding to Tom right now. Alright, so in fact has been

ordered under house. There's a the Supreme Court has ordered him to be placed under house arrest. man. You know, being being the president of Brazil is a risky job. Um you never know, you know, it's fun. It's all good fun until you end up in prison. Although I would take house arrest over prison anytime.

Oh, yes. Yes, yes. All right. Yeah. Sarah Adams is also full of shit, but that's a whole different issue. All right. So, well, let's talk about the CIA since we're on that subject. And I'm sure it's not the last time we'll ever talk about it. So Hillary Clinton, what do you, I mean, she, it is alleged that she was personally behind the scheme like, hey, let's make it look like Donald Trump in 2016. Let's make it look like he's basically the Manitourian candidate being installed by Russia

And he's and that's going to screw him over With the electorate it certainly didn't help him That's for sure and and she was behind it and now there's an investigation. We talked about that Do you think it's true that she was personally involved or that there was such, first of all, was there such a plot? If so, was she personally involved? And if so, does anyone care or will anyone care besides the right-wing media? Yeah, I hate to sound like a Trumper

because I am definitely not a Trumper in any way. But yeah, I think there was a I think there was a conspiracy here I think that they knew from the very beginning that this information was false but I think that they became increasingly fearful of a donald trump presidency and they decided to just You know just pull out all the stops and do uh justify the means Yeah, the ends justify the means.

Yeah, the ends justify the means. Because remember, these Clinton people. And once you started down the road and you've lied, you have to lie to cover up your lies. That's it. And it's always the cover up that's worse than the original incident. So I think that they really believed

that they were the good guys. And because they were the good guys and they were stopping you know Donald Trump by any means necessary that you know, this was their their God-given task and And it's starting to backfire like no that's actually a coup or a coup attempt and There's gonna have to be a price to pay. There's been a lot of coups lately. I mean I'm not even kidding, right? I mean January 6th is the weird sort of a half-hearted attempt to coup yourself out of being derelected. Then there's 2016 which is a coup'm basically by one. that she accused Tulsi Gabbard.

Yep. She loves that word. I mean, it's too bad for I really do. Fam, and Jill Stein could have paid off some bills by suing Hillary. They should have sued. They should have. You know, I mean, really you're going to smear me as a as a as a trader. Fuck you. I'll sue you.

And then and then we have the Biden years. That's a coup. He was in. He was they put in a corpse for four years who couldn't do the job and tried to reelect him. And they didn't want anyone to know the truth about him as we talked here on the show to Jake Tapper about. And like, I guess we'll have him back sooner

rather than later. That's just like, yes, we have a lot of coups lately. We're not a very vibrant democracy, are we? We are not a vibrant democracy. I know, right? Actually, they have fewer coups than we do these days. Yeah, they actually do. How sick and sad is that?

And we've got this weird penchant for dynasties now. We've got, look, we have, we have Bush and then Clinton and then Bush and then Obama and then almost Clinton again, but Trump and then Biden who came from Obama and then Trump again. It's like, what the heck are we doing? What's wrong with that? And you know, they're trying to, you know, they would love to install like Chelsea Clinton. Oh my God. Could you imagine?

And she. John Trump Jr. And Chelsea is. Ivanka. Oh yeah. Yeah. Chelsea Clinton is married to the son of two Congress members, Ed Mesvinsky and what's her name?

Margolis Mesvinsky, I forget her first name, from Philadelphia. The father was from Iowa. He went to prison, but he got pardoned by Clinton, of course. And then the wife was a congresswoman from Florida. I'm sorry, from Philadelphia. So you've got this political family there, marrying the daughter of the Clintons. What better way to prepare her for a political career?

And then what's the only job she's ever had since she finished college? It was to run the Clinton Foundation, this slush fund of $1 billion. Well, don't forget, she had a no-show job at MSNBC for a little while. I forgot that. So there was that.

So there is a work ethic. Yeah, at least the Bush daughter was on TV every day doing stuff. Early in the morning. Yes. Which is no joke. Really getting up at four in the morning or earlier, sometimes like 2. Um, just a quick reminder, please

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there too. But anyway, here's the here's the thing just or if you just forget, just go look for deprogram with Ted Roll and John Kiriakou. Okay, great. There's a little ad done. Should we talk about MTG? She's so rogue. So Marjorie Taylor Greene says that

the GOP is betraying conservative values. She's pissed off about Epstein. She says that neocons have recaptured Donald Trump instead of MAGAworld. And it looks like there's a major growing rift inside the GOP, inside the Trump coalition. I mean, there is. The question is how meaningful is it and what will the consequences be? You know, I think that she's still so junior in the House. She's only been in for two, three terms, whatever it is, three terms, I guess. But she has symbolic social media resonance, just she does like AOC and the Republicans can't take that away from her

You know They they could they could the the Republicans choose their committee and subcommittee chairman very very differently than the Democrats the Democrats do it Based on seniority so you're gonna get some slobbering dottering old man end up the end up being the chairman of of you know XYZ committee. The Republicans have a popularity contest and the entire Republican conference votes on who they want to be the chairman. I think she doesn't really care

to be a subcommittee chairman, who cares? It's more work anyway. I think she's perfectly happy being the gadfly and just taking a shot and anybody she wants to take a shot at and then cultivating that social media presence. So I don't think she cares if she offends members of her own party. No, I don't think I don't think she does either. And you know, there's always the they threw me out kind of thing. And then you're you're free. You You're, you know, you, you take all of your followers with you

and you can do whatever you want. Have your own show. I mean, it's not like she couldn't be a very successful podcaster, for example. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And she will be most likely. It's a very Yeah, for sure. As Tom says, she has a better opinion on Israel than 99% of Democrats. True. Shall we talk about Israel?

Yeah, let's do that. Okay, so Gaza. Starvation still happening. There's a little trickle of aid that's come in a little more, but not nearly nearly enough. And prices are sky high. Starvation is still continuing. So Steve Witkoff, who's the US envoy is over there trying to push something called the all or nothing deal. And basically instead of like,

well, you have 20 hostages left, we'll take eight now and then we'll do another six later. It's like Zeno's paradox, always getting closer, never quite getting there. We'll make a deal for all 20, which parenthetically, Hamas has wanted from day one. And we'll come up with a deal that puts an end

to the fighting permanently, which Hamas has wanted from day one. And we'll come up with some kind of disposition for post-Hamas or post-war governance. There, of course, obviously lies the rub, because Hamas has been the government of Gaza since 2000, well before 2006, but most recently elected in 2006,

no elections since then. I just wanna point out by the way to my Zionist friend to say that like, you know, Hamas was elected, yes, but over 50% of the population is under 18 in Gaza and that was that was what? 17 years ago or something years and years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 19 years ago. So, I mean, it's just basically not Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's kind of like nobody's gotten nobody really who's alive doesn't compete. Yeah, that's right So whether whether they might approve of it, but they haven't voted for it. So unlike the Israelis who are voting for it And they're they're liking what's going on right now. I what do you think all or nothing deal?

I mean, I think it all falls apart because the Israelis a don't really want to deal and they scuttle every negotiation They never come across Yeah, two two hours ago or so three hours ago Netanyahu rejected it. Oh really? Yeah, so I was preparing the show. Yeah, it's clear that the Israelis don't want peace No, they want destruction complete and total annihilation Not just of Hamas, but of the whole of Gaza. They don't care what the rest of the world thinks. They don't care what the International Criminal Court thinks.

They only care what the United States thinks because we're the source of their funding. And so I don't think there's going to be any grand deal, even if that means that there won't be any diplomatic recognition between Saudi Arabia and Israel. I don't think Netanyahu minds postponing that. And I guess at a certain point, you know, from his point of view, he's so fully committed to it. He's already killed so many people. Like now that you've come this far, you might as well see it through and go for complete ethnic cleansing.

Yeah. Yeah. Because who's going to stop him? If neither Israel nor the United States recognizes the ICJ or the ICC, who's going to stop the Israelis from ethnically cleansing Gaza? Right. I mean, they, although they still have the pickle of the population and nobody, and where are they going to go? I know the Israelis would love to kill them all. Yeah. But they can't get away with it. But you can't.

You can't. So it's, I mean, it's, it's so sick, right, John? But basically you can, I think it's about two or 300,000 dead. You can kill two or 300,000 people, but you can't kill all two point three million. That would be bad. No, that's right. So let me ask you, the Israeli Supreme Court today blocked the firing, Netanyahu's firing of

Israel's attorney general, a woman who is considered to be on the left of Israeli politics, which means that she's actually quite far to the right, but not as right as the lunatics are. So he tried to fire her because, oh my God, she supports the rule of law. Right. That's a major problem. And she refuses to dismiss these charges or to withdraw, I should say the corruption charges against Netanyahu and his wife. So it turns out that Itamar Ben-Ghivir and Smotrich, the finance minister, have been demanding that this woman be fired. Well, of course Netanyahu wants to fire her. And so he tried to.

And the Supreme Court said, oh, no, you don't. And she's not going anywhere. Does that actually mean anything? Or do we have to wait until Netanyahu is no longer the prime minister, this Likud blo block is no longer running the country for there to be any path toward justice. A hundred percent option number two as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I don't think there's, I think these people are completely hopeless. They're irredeemable. They can't be dealt with. And you know, I don't normally say this. I didn't say this about some terrorist organizations

like Al Qaeda. I was like, you could maybe talk to them. But we've tried here. They don't want anything. There's a far side cartoon with two orcas at SeaWorld. And there's the lady on top of the diving board holding the herring. And one orca tells the World and there's the lady on top of the diving board holding the

herring and one orca tells the other one **** the herring. I'm going for the whole schmear. I really think I really think she I think Israel's they're just the Likud they're into the whole schmear. They don't want they're not the herring. They

don't want 10 herrings right going for the whole. And I mean, that's where we're at. So, I mean, they're not, they can't and won't settle for anything less. The whole thing has to fall apart before anything's possible, I think. I think that's right. You know, my question though, too, well, actually, it's the second question. The Egyptians are just beside themselves, as are the Jordanians. Syria's in chaos, Lebanon's in chaos. Is there anything that the Jordanians or the Egyptians can do to help the Palestinians? Or no?

And I'll tell you, the Egyptians are in an unusually bad spot because they can't open the border. If they open the border, all the Egyptians are in an unusually bad spot because they can't open the border. If they open the border, all the Palestinians are going to leave. And that's exactly what the Israelis want. Right. And you talked the other day about individual Egyptians putting food and stuff in plastic bottles or in balloons and just throwing it out to sea, hoping that some of it makes its way to the beaches of Gaza.

But I mean, that's not a solution to anything. Well, no. And I mean, I think the individual and also the Egyptians people are smart enough to understand that if the Egyptians were to to accept this, if they were to cooperate with Israel and accept a substantial amount of the population or all of it, then they would be complicit with the genocide and with the ethnic cleansing. They'd be giving the Israelis exactly what they wanted, and they'd be depriving the Gazans of their homeland. You know, unlike what the Israelis say, this really is their homeland. You know, they've lived there continuously as opposed to, oh yeah, you know, I was

there 1900 years ago but I'm back. Um this is it's like no Egypt. They know they have to hold the line. They don't even have a you know, I guarantee you CC sleeps at night not thinking about what to do here. There's no there's there's no

conundrum. Yeah, the policy is clear. Hold the line. There's no, there can't be any other rational policy. But there is something. I love your question, John. I think there's something both the Kingdom of Jordan can do and the President of Egypt can do. They could issue a joint statement saying that they stand in solidarity with the people of Gaza and the West Bank and that they are not going to be complicit in genocide by opening their border to even more millions of Palestinians than they've already accepted over the years. It's not a matter of not wanting to help their Arab brothers.

It's a matter of not wanting to play into the Israelis' hands. A bet. A bet ethnic cleansing. They're fully 50 percent, 50 percent of the population of Jordan is Palestinian. 50 percent. And the Jordanians just can't take anymore. Yeah, the Egyptians are undoubtedly under a lot of pressure. However, you know, the Egyptians, they should just stay the course. There's nothing else to do. the the election disaster. You know, it's interesting. I mean, Trump definitely seems to have woken up to the fact that the polls are not on his side on this. Do you think Donald Trump ever gets to the point where he says there's just not, you know, he walked up to Nixon's office and said you don't have your done anymore You have to step down. Do you think that happens? I

Do eventually and I'll tell you the reason why I do is because you remember when Trump dropped the f-bomb That was a very clear message not just for the the Iranians, but also for the Israelis, that he had had enough and that they had to stop. I'm not sure we're going to get there in the foreseeable future. Right. Zero percent chance. Right now, yes, zero percent chance. But things are going to have to get awfully far worse than what they are now for the policy to change.

I mean, yeah, I mean, the thing is, I do think things are moving quickly. So between all the recognitions, you know, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens at the U.S. at the UN General Assembly next month. There's going to be some action there. I suspect that we haven't seen previewed yet. Yeah, I think that's right. that we haven't seen previewed yet. Yeah, I think that's right. Miller's airline, Stephen Miller's airline will come back before Trump starts supporting baby.

Join the hair club for men, Stephen. No one will ever know the difference. It worked for me, I was like a cue ball before. Yeah. Beautiful head of hair came out. Get outta here. Not really. I figure if I go bald, I just wear a hat. Okay, not because I'm afraid of being bald, just because I'm afraid of skin cancer. $15,000 bond. So if you want to come to the United States, I'm not sure why you would.

It's going to cost you as a legal business traveler or tourist possibly. Oh, thank you, Sam. Fifteen thousand dollars to visit the United States. Yeah. Uh and then you get it back when you if and when you leave. I mean, first of all, I don't think this would this would there are a lot for a lot of people coming to the United States illegally, they might say, I'm going to raise that $15,000. People pay coyotes that much to cross the US-Mexico border. People pay that much money to cross the Mediterranean in boats. So I don't think it would necessarily

do anything other than line the Treasury's pockets and create a new business. I'm going to disagree with you. So US policy for the last 100 years, the last 90 years has been one of reciprocity. And we never take the lead in reciprocity. If country A charges Americans $20 for a visa, we charge their people $20. If like in India, they charge you $200 or Chile, a hundred bucks for a visa, then we charge the Indians $200 and the Chileans $100.

But now we're taking the lead. Oh, right. Good point. In this bond program. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. I'm worried. Shit. That's going gonna make travel like impossible. Yeah. I mean, basically, what Ted, this thing, the Brits, I had to write, I had that experience with a years ago when I got my first Russian visa. And it was this was before things went

like tits up. It's 400. It was $400. It's gonna be worse now. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got this app called UK ETA down at the bottom. Right. Right there. UK ETA. All right. So now the Brits have decided that if you want to go to the UK, you have to pay 20 bucks and go on that app and fill out your information. So just last week, the US announced that the Brits are gonna have to pay 20 bucks, and now we came up with our own app. And then there's this other rule now with the European Union that starting on January 1st,

you're gonna have to use their app and then go and pay 20 bucks. Philosophically, that makes me angry. In reality, I don't really care because I have a Greek passport, which I pull out as soon as the plane lands when I land in Europe. And I'll tell you, here's how cheap I am. And forgive me, but the last two times I went to the UK, I didn't want to pay the money.

And I don't want to deal with their assholes in immigration. So I fly to Dublin, I go through Irish immigration with my EU passport and they say, welcome back to the EU. And then I take what is considered to be a domestic flight from Dublin to London. You're as cheap as me You know, I hate I hate paying the forty five dollar a night overnight parking fee at LaGuardia Yeah, so I drive to Queens I park in the neighborhood I look carefully read the signs for the alternate side of the street parking I find a spot where I can be good for like four or five days. I walk a mile

I find a spot where I can be good for like four or five days. I walk a mile down the street over the bridge over to LaGuardia and I saved like $200. See and I can lose some weight. And you know what? Going through Dublin adds like three hours to the trip. I don't care. In fact, it actually gets me into London. Yeah, exactly. And it gets me into London at a more, you know, humane time. Sure. So I sit at Dublin Airport, they have a Starbucks in the in the terminal. I said I have a Starbucks, maybe I buy a couple

of things and then I go to the connecting flight. What a great idea. Pick up a copy of the Irish Times. Rebellious Rainbow, Rainbow Unicorn is asking is and I put this up because a lot of people always bring this up. Is part of the reason for the Arab world not wanting Palestinians, more Palestinians, is that it would destabilize those countries,

maybe leading to another Arab spring? No, I don't think so. Historically, the Palestinians have made up the middle class, especially in the Gulf countries. Most of the Palestinians go to the Gulf countries unless they go as refugees, in which case most of them went to Jordan. But in the Gulf countries, it's the Palestinians who are the attorneys, the professors, the engineers, the bankers. the the engineers, the bankers, the Gulf countries, politics aside, want Palestinians there because they run the economy. So Houdini is asking, is it only for business or for tourists as well? The policy is currently being solidified, but it looks like it's going to be for everyone.

Ours you mean. Right. Yeah, good question. Good question. Yes, and that is 100 Rebellious also said tourism is down. Yeah, no question. Also here in New York City, tourism is way down. Tourist-themed businesses are really upset and desperate. Canadians aren't coming anymore because they're pissed off about the 51st state rhetoric. Yeah. And a lot of other countries aren't coming, not to mention people are just scared of being fucked with at the airport. Yeah. Ted, this is my 43rd summer in Washington. And I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm telling you that just based on my own observations that tourism is down significantly in Washington. Significantly. Yeah, I can say the same thing here in Manhattan. You just don't see nearly as many tourists.

It's hard to quantify, but you just sort of notice, right? Unemployment statistics, not normally a very interesting subject except for what it says about the economy. But see, a Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner, Erica, I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly, McEntarfer, basically did what they always do. First, there's preliminary job statistics.

And then there are updated statistics as new updated data comes in. This is something that BLS always has done for years under Democrats and Republicans the data and the statistics as you know, there's a meme going around right now that basically has him getting mad at his scale, because it doesn't say that he's 250 pounds. He doesn't like the numbers. But I mean, in all seriousness, John, I used to work at Bear Stearns, I worked at the Industrial Bank of Japan, worked on the trading desk. And like, when you work in banking or an investment banking, numbers are everything. I mean, you know, you need everything and they've

got to be legit. They've got to be right. And you've got to be able to look at those historical charts and put them into an expel spread, an Excel spreadsheet and have them all be real. If I mean, we already have the Chinese have been playing fast and loose with their economic statistics for and have them all be real. If, I mean, we already have the Chinese have been playing fast and loose with their economic statistics for years. And, you know, I mean, and nobody can really know, it's not transparent.

If you invest in China, maybe you get your dividend, maybe you don't, you know, and the US could go that direction, right? I mean, it seems to me like, look, I'm not gonna cry about this, but it kind of undermines the capitalist system and free markets in a huge way, doesn't it? Oh, yeah, I think it does very much, very much. You know, Robert Reich, who was the Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton posted something on Facebook yesterday saying that the very first thing he was told on his very first day as the Secretary of Labor was to leave the Labor Statistics Bureau people alone, that they were independent, they had to remain

independent and there had to be confidence in the numbers for the economy to continue to grow unfettered and not have to worry about politics being involved. And- Think about Herbert Hoover. Yeah. 25% approval rate. Yeah, that's right.

Unemployment. It's like he didn't call, even he didn't call up and say like, you're fucking fired. You are absolutely right. Absolutely right. Well, someone's uh Nadia Margaret disagrees. I've worked for Chinese people. Oh, I'd like to I'd like to hear that actually. I'd like to too. Uh I mean look, I'm not saying Chinese people are liars. I'm just saying that like the Chinese government has you know, it's been pretty well documented has definitely had some funky accounting on unemployment and inflation figures.

They've done a lot more than other countries to manipulate the value of their currency, for example, and nobody really knows like what they really have in terms of reserves and so on. So, you know, it's not look, it's by definition, it's a state, it's a state controlled. It's a state managed economy, I think would be a way right. And like it's which is, by the way, not to my view, a bad thing at all. I'm in favor of that in many ways. But it's not as transparent as ours. And one thing that you should be able to count on as a business person, okay, so Nadia is saying they pay on time and honestly. Okay, fair.

Yeah, I don't doubt that if I went to work for, you know, a Beijing paper, they would pay me on time and honestly. I'm sure that's true. I'm talking about the government issuing statistics. Even, look, the thing is anything short of 100.0% accurate isn't good enough. Yeah, right. I mean, every every country owes it to their investors, to be honest about the numbers. And not every country is. I mean, look what the Greeks did all those years. The Greeks just put up phony numbers year after year after year. And then, oh my God, the economy collapsed and they went into a decade long depression.

So what did they do? They sued Goldman Sachs for mismanaging the country's sovereign fund. And they sued PricewaterhouseCoopers for just endorsing all the made up numbers for all those years. Greece is notorious. Oh, just awful. Terrible. the great makes me play a little bit fast and loose with the numbers. So I think I'm saving the best for last.

So my friend Simpson Garfinkle, for whom I illustrated his most recent tech book on differential privacy, and he and I go way back, he broke something on LinkedIn today that blew me away. He's one of the leading experts on privacy in in the world. He taught at NSA. He's a big deal. And it turns out that OpenAI, the parent company of chat GPT has cut a deal with Google. It's already in the works and it's already being executed,

that all private chat GPT, well chat GPT conversations, if you read that 700 page thing that you click okay, when you first get your membership with OpenAI, they say they can do this and they're doing it. So lawyers have expressed concern because often, like before you hire a lawyer, a person who's having a legal challenge might ask chat GPT about their legal problems. And then those chats are now being indexed on Google search. So anyone on earth can find the chat like, you know, I think my wife might be cheating on me. You people's search. So, anyone on are worried because that's all evidence, admissible evidence in a court of law. You know, I'm fortunately safe because

Chatchie PT still doesn't admit that I exist ever since I wrote that article about about Sam Altman and in the Wall Street Journal, they unpersons me. So go to ChatGPT and ask it about Ted Rall. Say, oh, I watched the deprogrammed show with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou. It will be like, uh, uh, it'll mention John. It won't mention me. So do it. It's funny.

It's really funny. But the point is everyone else is in trouble and Sam Altman has had nothing to say about this. This is really, I think think I think it's terrifying because people look I don't use chat GPT because I'm unpersons. I can't use it. But I use grok AI. And you know, I mean, I wouldn't want the stuff that I asked grok to be, you know, I

asked grok, is these are these conversations private? Yes, we will never share them. Are they stored? No, we don't store them. I don't know if that's true or not. I don't ask it. I mean, there's nothing on there that I do that's illegal. But I don't but I still want it to be private. Um, I don't know. Here we go. Yeah. You're back on Ted. Okay. All right.

Woohoo. Yeah, I've heard like our friend who came on the show the other day, right? Sean, Sean O'Brien from Ivy cyber. He said it comes and goes on chat GPT for me. He tried. Yeah, he did say that it comes and goes. No, my name is not Fred. It is Frederick is my full legal name Frederick Theodore. The chat is short for Theodore. My

dad. I'm so I'm the third my dad was a junior. He got the Fred. I don't want to be confused with him. Because first of all, there's the Fred Flintstone problem from my generation. And then also, one time his paycheck ended up in my bank account because we had accounts at the same bank, you know, little bank in Ohio. And it was like, I mean, to my benefit for sure, but not a good idea. When my dad was growing up, my dad's name was Chris. Well, what the Greeks do is the first born is named after the father's parent. The secondborn is named after the father's parent. The secondborn is named after the mother's parent, and then they just keep going back

and forth. It's a tradition going back centuries. So my dad's name is Chris, named after his grandfather. And my aunt, my dad's sister, her name, unfortunately, was Chrysanthi after my grandmother's mother. So they were Chris and Chris all the years that they were growing up. It led to nothing but trouble. So, but I mean, what about this? I mean, I think OpenAI should be reined in.

I agree. I agree. This is not a good development. It's not. It's not. I mean, this is what so many Hollywood writers have been half tongue in cheek warning us about for so many years. I made a joke the other day that we know what happens from iRobot when the robot's light goes from blue to red. That's when we all have to take cover. And it's coming. Yeah. Yes, I did continue the tradition.

Yes, I did. Yeah, I mean, I use GROK as a search engine. It's very quirky though. Sometimes it's the most amazing thing in the world. You know, like for example, at a lamp, I'm like, I said, what bulb is this? And where can I buy one? Gave me a link, boom, eight bucks. Next day, it's in my inbox. That's fantastic. Wow. But then there's like, hey, can you

write up 10 descriptions of these clips for the deprogrammed show? And then it's like, here they are, number seven through 10. I'm like, where's one through six? And it says, oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to do those. By the way, there was a case a few weeks ago where a dude was using ChatGPT to manage his databases

for his fairly substantial business. And ChatGPT, he gave it very specific instructions for how to process the data. Obviously, he didn't tell ChatGPT to do this. It erased all of his business files, all of his databases irretrievably, completely decimating his business. And when he asked ChatGPT,

can you undo this and why did you do this? And ChatGPT said can you undo this? And why did you do this? And ChatGPT said, I'm sorry. You're right. You didn't tell me to do that, but I did it anyway. What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah, so it's not like people who grew up with traditional computer programming where

it does what you tell it. It where it does what you tell it. It it sort of does what you tell it. It's like a it's like a really smart, unreliable friend who smokes a lot of weed. Wow. Oh, man, that's that's really frightening. I asked chat GPT. I I can't find an email that somebody sent me about some travel that I have coming up. And I was looking for hours last night. Literally, I was looking for hours, searching my hard drive in 25 different ways. I couldn't figure out how to find this email. And so I went to chat GPT and I said, can you scan my computer and find an email that says I'm supposed to flight? And it took a second. Oh, really? I didn't

know it could scan your computer like that. Neither did I, but I thought I'd give it a give it a shot. I would have thought you would have had to take a screenshot of like all of your inbox and then uploaded that. No, that's that's terrifying. It's not not good. Not good at all. Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah. No, that's I mean, it's great that Wow. Yeah, I mean, it's very crazy. I used it to do my tax deductions this year. And it works great. No problem. You used AI to do your

tax deductions. Yeah, yeah. How'd you do that? I had all my deductions in an Excel spreadsheet, and all my bills, and I fed it all in and I said, you know, separate everything out that seems to be travel, separate everything out that seems to be travel to this particular spot where I went on business, put them all in one place like that and it and it and it just did it a lot

faster than I could do it. So, it's kind of awesome. It can't. Yeah. man. So, yeah. The thing is it has a mind of its own. Yeah, that's not not good. Not good. I mean, it is it is sky that right. It is it is that's what I'm afraid of. It's going to start thinking on its own.

Yeah, and reasoning and then deciding it doesn't like us very much. I don't think it does like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, chat GPT does usually doesn't seem to like me rock loves me. It says all sorts of nice things about me. like me. I'm trying to like me. It says all sorts of nice things

about me. Uh Nadia. Yeah, I asked uh I asked it to uh to scan my mailboxes and um and find an email that I couldn't find and it popped right up like seconds, 5 seconds. I wonder if yeah, I mean, I wonder if I could use it like

if I if I said like, oh, could you find all the cartoons that are stored on my hard drive that are about Gaza? Would it do that? I wonder. I mean, I have I usually have their I have keyword in the XF information. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I

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don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I grammar and my spelling, which is pretty good, but I have a tendency to drop words when I type. You know, rev.com. I'm looking at something that not not yet.

That Michael Gardner just posted rev.com is a service that where you can cut and paste a URL from YouTube and say transcribe this and it costs about you know 20 bucks or whatever. I gladly did that to help me in my book. I wonder if ChatGPT would just do it for free. Well I do for this show. So I do yeah no every so I have I use a different one but there's several services that do this. So what I do is when I process the show, and I'm gonna do this again today, what I do is I upload the audio file, the MP3 up to the site, it produces a transcript.

And then I tell Grok to check the transcript for misspellings and to try to guess using the context whether you or I is speaking. That's the hardest part because it doesn't know who's talking. And then I I'll manually go in and try to correct that. The reason I do that, I post the transcript, but the real reason I do that is on YouTube, there's no there's no there's no subtitles. And a lot of people like to watch the subtitles on videos. So I can then go into YouTube, edit it, and then it will, this is really cool. I can cut and paste the entire massive thousands of words

transcript in, and it will automatically, using AI, sync up our talking to those words. Wow. So it's really cool. So that's why that's why if you watch the show, not live, but if you watch the show, like even the live file, 24 hours later, you'll see the that's me doing that. Where are they posted?

On YouTube. Oh. Very good. Thank you. You're welcome. I just think it like, you know, I think it makes for a better experience for the viewer. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. So, yeah. So, well, I feel... If you want to read the transcripts, guys. And they do really read well. I post them to raw.com. So John, I can email it to you, no problem. Oh, no worries. I was just curious.

No, I mean, I can email you the transcripts every time I do them. Yeah, no, don't. You're like, I have enough to do. Yeah, I just can't handle it all. All right, cool, cool. All right, well, I think we're pretty, has anyone else noticed? Grok had gone Zionist. I'm going to handle it all. Alright, cool. Cool. Alright. Well, I think we're pretty has

anyone else noticed Grock had gone Zionist. I heard that story. I heard that too. Yeah. I mean, there's no putting it, you know, I have I have friends who are actually angry at me for using AI. They're like you're betraying everything.

You're the reason it's like you can't man. you can't. It's like little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike. It's not something you can do to keep back the ocean. Yep. Yep. All right, guys, please, please, please share, subscribe, and follow the show. You're watching, you've been watching, deprogram with me, Ted Rolla and John Kiriakou. We will be back Wednesday, 5 p.m. Eastern time.

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