DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Israel: Losing, Yet Demanding Surrender”

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Investigators comb through the charred remnants of a Michigan church, White House unveils President Trump's bizarre 21-point blueprint for halting the Gaza War, Trump racing the midnight funding cliff, Eric Adams bows out his quixotic reelection campaign, a torrent of pressure on Republican Curtis Sliwa to abandon ship • Michigan Church Attack: Investigators sift through fiery debris at the Grand Blanc Township Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, uncovering improvised explosive devices amid the wreckage from Thomas Jacob Sanford's assault, which killed four people and wounded eight. The 40-year-old ex-Marine was killed in a police shootout after ramming his flag-festooned pickup into the building and unleashing gunfire during worship. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt reveals the assailant's apparent Mormon hatred, with probes intensifying into premeditation, notes, and his Iraq vehicle recovery scars from IEDs and enemy fire. • An Odd Gaza Peace Plan: The White House drops Trump's 21-point plan for Gaza, which seems to miss that Israel has become an international pariah state in no position to make demands. The plan would mandate immediate hostage releases within 72 hours and Israeli withdrawal to pre-agreed lines acceptance. The blueprint promises Gaza's redevelopment for residents, amnesty for disarming Hamas fighters, and safe exodus for others. Netanyahu warns that will Israel "finish the job" if refused. • Government Shutdown: Trump convenes congressional leaders in a frantic White House attempt to dodge Wednesday's shutdown, clashing over a stopgap bill funding through November 21 that sidesteps Democrats' health benefit extensions while Republicans try to decouple issues. Senate Leader John Thune eyes Tuesday's revote needing seven Democratic crossovers, as failure looms to furlough federal workers, halt courts, delay small-business grants, and disrupt parks from NASA to Yosemite. • NYC Mayoral Race: Eric Adams terminates his reelection campaign, thrusting Andrew Cuomo into a tighter showdown with leading Zohran Mamdani as operatives besiege Republican Curtis Sliwa via social media. Billionaire Bill Ackman and PLACE NYC cofounder Chien Kwok implore Sliwa to exit, to forge a unified Cuomo front against Mamdani. A Siena poll pegs Mamdani at 48% to Cuomo's 44% in a head-to-head, narrowing from double-digits.

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Hi, John. How are you, Ted? And you know what? I've got to say, I'm glad. I'm glad that you started off with an ad and that it was about Rumble. In all seriousness, when you and I were at, oh, that station we worked out before. Oh, yes, but Nick. Which we shall not be.

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So, yeah, thanks Rumble. And thanks, Mills 446 for the $10. Really appreciate it. We've got stuff to talk about. Church attack, of course, at that Mormon church. We're trying to figure out what exactly the motivation was there. A very strange peace plan coming out of the White House. Everything about it is very odd for Gaza.

We have all the details here. We'll sort of get through it. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts, John. Government shutdown seems imminent. Of course, we've been here before many times. The deadline is tomorrow night. So there's not a lot of time for the Democrats and Republicans to get it together. And finally, Eric Adams dropped out of the mayoral race here in New York City yesterday.

So we'll be talking about how exactly that affects the race to the effect, to the extent that it affects anything at all. And, of course, as always, we welcome your questions, comments, and so on, in both the Rumble and the YouTube feeds. So anyway, what shall we do first, John? Well, may I make a small disagreement with you? Oh, please. We already had a question about the implementation of Sharia law in the United States.

Okay. And you said, ain't going to happen. Yeah, it's a fever dream. Where does this come from on the right that Sharia law is coming to the United States? I'm going to argue that it has already happened and that there is nothing wrong with it. Um, so Sharia law means different things to different people, uh, to, as you say, correctly, to many people on the right, it's a fever dream. It's the beginning of the end. It's Satan come to life. It's, you know, all these horrible things. I would argue that Muslims, many American Muslims within their own families already practice a form of Sharia law. For example, Sharia law dictates that when the head of a household dies,

His wife gets half of what he leaves, and his sons split the other half. That's just, that's a basic tenet of Sharia law, whether the American government or the states like it or not, it's up to individual families to do it. That's it. It's done. Sharia law can mean you have to send your children to a Muslim school, a private school. We have several of them here in the Washington area. They mind their own business. Everybody lets them mind their own business.

but Sharia law dictates you have to send your kid to a Muslim school. Okay, nobody seems to care. The government's not trying to prevent it. So while this Republican fever dream will never come to pass, there are other parts of Sharia law that are not offensive to anybody, that are already in practice every day. Well, but John, isn't that just Muslim? deciding to live culturally in a certain way?

That's not, I mean, like, I'm not subject to Sharia law. No. You have to, you know, do my inheritance the way that you described. I'm not Muslim, so I don't have to. Yeah. And that's not going to change, I guess. No, that's not going to change. And it'll never be forced on us.

Read asked a good question. What about Islamic banking here in the USA? If you're in New York, sure, you can find an Islamic bank that uses Islamic banking tenants, no usurious interest. You pay a fee, which is the same thing. It's just called, it's not called interest. But you can work it out. Another part of Sharia law that most people don't know about is that for strict Muslims, they are not permitted to participate in democratic elections if the elections are not overseen by Muslims. And so there's this ongoing debate, for example, in Dearborn, Michigan over whether or not Muslims should participate

by voting. And time was 20 years ago or so when, you know, Muslim turnout was like 20%. And now it's closer to 40%. But strictly, you know, by Sharia law, they shouldn't be voting at all. They shouldn't be running for office. They shouldn't be participating in any way in U.S. elections. Little by little, it's changing. But you're right. It will never be foisted on us. It'll never be foisted in any state. Already, I think Oklahoma and Texas specifically ban it. And they don't even know what they're banning. But it's not the boogeyman so many people think it is. I mean, to be honest, there's a lot of aspects of Sharia law that I really like. First of all, the rapid justice system. Yeah, rapid. You know, you and I just talk.

about on the Rumble Premium edition this morning about my lawsuit against the L.A. Times, that dragged on for five years. And between the two sides, close to $2 million were spent and nothing was resolved. But, you know, if I'd been able to have it go to a Sharia court in most of the Muslim world and the L.A. Times had been there to defend themselves, we would have had a verdict in a few hours. And it would have been an immediately enforceable, it would have saved a lot of time and energy and money. So there's a lot to be set for it. Yes.

Yes, indeed. There is. So sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you at the very start of the show like that. No, I like it. It's a minor enough point that we can do it quickly and a major enough point that, you know, we should do it first and get it out of the way. Well, here's one that like, this is like for the top of a show. This one might be more than we can, more than we can bite off.

and chew. Harry Quantrill is asking, can we do a brief interview of the history of the, sorry, the future of the UK. I'm a young engineer and I'm considering if it's worth staying here. Well, that's a, I mean, yeah, that's a great idea. It's a good question. I mean, it is. I don't know. Do you have thoughts? I mean, look, I haven't, full disclosure. I haven't been to the UK since 1989. So I'm like the least qualified person to talk about that except as a, And I hate people who just talk about outside shit, like, you know, like Bill O'Reilly, you know, mansplaining about Afghanistan, who's never been, and I'd just gotten back. So I'm not going to do that. So, you know, I rely on my English friends to tell me what's what in England.

But, you know, what do you think? I love it. I go to England. I go to the UK three, four times a year, even though I'm banned for life. I managed to somehow sneak in any time I darn well, please. But this is a really good question. And it's a question that some of the most important political figures and most important political scientists fight about every single day.

I bet you we could get Jeremy Corbyn to appear on the show. No way. I bet we could. Oh, let's do it. I'll send him an email. All right. I love it. That's, well, that's service.

And that's, and that person didn't even donate. You should donate, really. We should take you down for Donald Trump. Like, we have the best show. We give you expert opinions about your country. Anyway, all right. Yeah, I just don't have the answer to that, to that question at all. So thanks, John, for that.

Okay, so do we want to talk about just, I mean, I would love to get into this Gaza thing. Yeah, let's do that. It's important. All right, John, I've got it. I've got the details up here on my screen, so I'm just going to sort of go through it, right? So it was a 20-point plan. It became a 21-point plan because when Netanyahu was meeting Trump, Trump said, you've got to call the Qataris and apologize for your missile strike

that killed an innocent Qatari security guard and a bunch of other people who were not even targeted in the attack. Netanyahu not only apologized, he called and apologized, but he also promised not to do anything like that ever again to Qatar anyway. So that, I guess the Qataris probably said, we're not going to mediate unless you agree to that. So, all right, so there's a bunch, so the, this is a classic Trump document. And by the way, Trump said, Trump claims that Israel agreed, but sort of, when Netanyahu said, well, you know, I agree with it for now. This is a typical Israeli approach. But, and he's like, I'm sure Hamas will agree.

Okay, I'm sure Hamas will not agree. And this is basically written as though the Israelis have won the war. It's over, yes. The war is the opposite. I think Israel lost the war in a decisive victory. This was a, I guess it's a Pyrrhic loss, right? the best way to describe it. They flattened Gaza. They killed hundreds of thousands of people. They've left it devastated. But the fact is that what Israel needs more than Gaza or the West Bank,

they need international opinion on their side. And that they no longer have and no longer will have for the foreseeable future. They've destroyed themselves. But this was written by a country that it's either bluffing or it doesn't seem to know what side it's on. And I do say it looks like it was kind of written both by the Israelis and the Americans. Anyway, without a doubt. All hostages would be released within 72 hours. And then there's some really interesting stuff here. Part 5.

Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners, plus 1,700 gossans who were detained after October 7th, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans. Once all hostages are returned, this is 0.6. So essentially, the way this is written, and I don't know if they notice this, they basically are acknowledging that the Israelis take hostages.

That's the way it reads. I don't know if they intended that or not. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza who have suffered more than enough. That's point two. But then that comes into. to great contradiction. Other stuff that I thought was stopped me at any point.

Part 7. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. So in other words, the U.S. and Israel are admitting that full aid has not been sent into Gaza. I wondered if I was the only person who realized that when I read it. Because they've been lying to us from the very beginning saying, that there's plenty of aid, it's all flowing in, Hamas is keeping the food from the people,

and we all know that that's utter nonsense, that the Israelis are starving people to death as a function of war, which, of course, is a crime against humanity. Yes, and rightly so. Continuing this, at a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure, water, electricity, sewage, rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads. So here, two really interesting points, I think. Number one,

this is Israel in the United States, conceding the fact that Israel has not kept up their end of the January 2025 agreement, and also not promising to restore anything but hospitals and bakeries, they got, they got rid of everything. So no banks, nothing, no groceries, no apartment buildings, sorry. Flattened. Flattened. Those are just, those are just by-bye forever under this deal. Oh, and this part is fascinating, John. Part 8. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the UN and its agencies and the Red Cross, John, they killed everybody from the agencies. I thought the UN. I thought UNRah was infested with evil Hamas terrorists.

Hamas terrorists, right? Yeah. Isn't that what we've been told repeatedly? So is is Netanyahu and Trump, now they're now on team terrorists, they're on team Hamas? That's it. Or maybe it was all bullshit all along. Yeah. Imagine we relied to. Oh, my gosh. But it's amazing to see the powers that be admitted so cavalierly and so brazenly. And then this is hilarious. This is very Trumpy. Gaza will be governed, part nine, under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic. It's so funny.

And you saw who it was. Yes, it's a Tony Blair. Tony Blair of all people. The technocrat in chief. Nobody wants Tony Blair. especially in Gaza? No, nobody wants Tony Blair, period. Apolitical Palestinian committee.

Okay, by definition, nothing like this is apolitical. Responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services, blah, blah, blah. The committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians. What the hell is that? And under the supervision of a new international transitional body, the Board of Peace, which will be headed by wait for it, wait for it. Donald Trump

with other members and heads of state to be announced, including the toadone Star, Tony Blair, as you mentioned, John. It goes on like this. So then it says that the Palestinian Authority will have to complete its reform program before it can come in to run things. Of course, here we go.

No one will be forced to leave. This is probably the one part that no Palestinian will ever believe. Part 12, no one will be forced to leave, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. But it might take about a century, though. Exactly. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza. Maybe the people who destroyed Gaza could bring back, make Gaza great again. Mm-hmm.

You know? Mm-hmm. Maga. So then, so it's just that like, Israel, now, again, interestingly, part 16, Israel promises not to occupy or annex Gaza. What about the West Bank? Yeah, they don't talk about that.

No, they don't. Also, but of course, here's the thing, too, right? They want a, they've all, Israelis have always wanted a demilitarized, future Palestinian state. I mean, they don't really, never wanted a Palestinian state. But if they were going to have one,

it had to be demilitarized. I mean, the way things are looking now, you know, it's not Hamas or the Palestinians that just bombed, what was it, five countries in like five months? Right. You know, I think it's maybe the Israelis who need to be demilitarized.

But anyway, you're not a sovereign state. You're not a nation state if you don't have a military. That's it. Unless you're Costa Rica. And then it's my choice. Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Sorry. That's okay. That's okay. It's a non-starter. And Donald Trump's rhetoric around it kind of proves that it's a non-starter. You know, this is the peace plan. Whether you like it or not, sign it.

Or there's going to be more war. Did you notice the administration, 's latest phrase, favorite phrase, just made another appearance. This time it was Bebe. He said, we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way. Someone's been watching too much Goodfellas. Seriously. Yeah.

Nothing's going to come to this. Nothing. It's so dead on arrival. It's a joke. It is. It is. I mean, what is the point of this? I mean, okay, John, I want to ask you what you think.

I have my thoughts about this. But what do you think? the point of this exercise is because I think there is a point. Oh, I think there's a point. I think Donald Trump wants to show that he's all about peace. He's the great peacemaker. Never mind what people are saying about him at the United Nations or those lefty jerks at the State Department. He's a man of peace and he's going to prove it by God by forcing peace in the Middle East. And that's just not real life. I told you what Dennis Ross told me one time. for years and years and years was the special envoy for the Middle East peace process across

presidents, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush. He told me one time that there are no new ideas, period. Everything's been thought of. Everything's been rejected. So the two sides are going to have to be so desperate that they're both willing to accept an agreement that they both hate. And what that's going to mean is the creation of a Palestinian state, but probably one that is that is ineffectual, meaning it's not going to have any military. It may not even have any police, you know, maybe they're going to have to have, you know, those famous peacekeepers, the, the Fijians. I told you, the first briefing I ever gave it, the CIA was for the Prime Minister of Fiji.

And I was like, Prime Minister of Fiji, and they said, Fiji provides most of the United Nations peacekeeping forces. That's their major source of income. And how much do you want to bet? You have a peacekeeping-based economy. Yeah, they do. How much you want to bet they end up in Gaza and maybe the West Bank? I don't know, John.

I mean, maybe I'm unduly optimistic. I think after all this, I don't think that the Palestinians and specifically the Ghazans are going to agree to any of this. I think these are smart people, and I think they can see what we can see, which is that the whole world has turned against Israel. They're a pariah state. I'll tell you, I'm not worried about it. I think Israel is all bluster, but I got to tell you, John,

the one thing that you said, like, maybe a couple of weeks ago, I can't get it out of my mind, is about the fact that Israel is a nuclear power. and they're going to have their backs up against the wall. Yeah. And they might just decide to take a bunch of shit out with them as they go down. I think that's it. It makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.

But I think that the Israelis are willing to kill everybody rather than to allow a free Palestine. That's what I think, too. I mean, and I don't even know how to stop it. Because even if, like, Trump decided, like, okay, fuck you guys, we're taking you out. They have nuclear weapons. Lots of them. We can't do that. We have no way to demilitary.

We've created a monster. Yeah, we have. Yes. So the commenter formerly known as Sedone 2334, always generous, is now Seloam. Thank you very much for the 20 bucks. Thank you. Saying that he's moving to Saskatchewan to the wilderness. I mean, I'm jealous.

I like it. I like it. Yeah. When you look at the maps of wet parts of North America are not going to be devastated in a nuclear war, it's just like the northern third of Idaho and then all of Canada. Well, that's a good place to start them. Not to mention, they're going to have the weather that we grew up with. So, you know, it's all going to be like it'll be warmer. It won't even be that much of an adjustment. John, question for you from read us. Would like your assessment on Michelle Ringley-Assad, is she a grifter? Oh, the CIA, is she a grifter? You know, I'm usually very quick to call people grifters because so many of them are. She's not a grifter. She was in the CIA about 10 years, counterterrorism. She claims to have done five overseas tours in 10 years.

That can't possibly be true. I think she's counting TDI-WIS temporary duty as assignments overseas or tours. they aren't tours. She wrote this book, and the name of it escapes me now, but she wrote this book that came out relatively recently. And the complaints that I'm seeing about it are, I read one review that said that the book is essentially God, CIA, CIA, God, God, CIA, God, God, God, CIA, God, God, CIA.

Thank God, I'm Christian. It's like, yeah. And the other complaints I've seen about it are that it was supposed to, to be this riveting account of international espionage and it's just not it's how much she loves her husband how much how proud she is to have served her country she did really cool stuff but she can't tell you about them and oh my god she loves god and that's just kind of boring okay um let's see we got uh will that oh who did he wants to ask well the Saudis pay for the rebuilding of Gaza? Is Jim Biden getting the contract just like he did? That's the $64,000 question

right there. And that's the question that, frankly, we should all be asking of our elected officials. Who's going to pay for all this? Is it going to be Saudi Arabia? If it is, okay, I think, so long as we don't end up with the Biden family, Eric Prince, What's his face? The Clinton Foundation. The Clinton Foundation. Elon Musk. Jared Kushner, all get in a piece.

All the vultures. Yeah. That bothers me very much. But really, the original idea, and we talked about this weeks ago, the original idea was, yes, the Saudis had offered to pay for everything. But that was before anybody had ever heard of Jared Kushner and Eric Prince. But the Saudis, they couldn't. do this if they were perceived as being the total licksbittals of the Israelis, right? I mean, there would have to be some dignity for the Gossans.

But keep in mind, they're one of the very few who still refused to open diplomatic relations. And as it's turning out, that was a really smart policy. You remember Donald Trump in the first term was trying to force them, like he forced the Emirates, the Bahrainis, the Tunisians, the Sudanese, the Moroccans. They all ran and opened embassies in Israel. and the Saudis said, eh, not so fast. We need to think about this.

And then October 7th happened, and now it's just not possible. If the Saudis opened diplomatic relations with the Israelis, it's going to have to be part of this big overall regional peace process. Grand bargain. Grand bargain, not including the Iranians. We could talk about that separately if you'd like. But with all the peninsular Arabs and any stragglers,

I mean, maybe even Syria. I think we're all pretty convinced that the new president of Syria is either a CIA asset or somebody who's very, very comfortable around CIA people. Yeah, I think we can agree on that.

Kiki asks, do we think the settlers will we may just stop the violence and stop stealing the Palestinians land? Wow. And that should be the very first priority. That's true. And I agree with Ted. fuck no no honestly and i think i mean look what the israelis are are really smart at and it's brutal

is they change the facts on the ground and then you know it's like well now there's nothing we can do i mean let's just say we you know sanity were to prevail but i mean seriously the settlers should all be evicted yes 100% who's gonna have besides you and me who's going to have the the stomach for that yeah because it's like well you know these are women and children they this is their home they've lived there now for a long time. And same thing with destroying Gaza. They change the facts on the ground and that becomes the new reality. You know that's the conversation they had behind closed doors and they're not wrong.

Ted, I'm sure you remember when we were teenagers, it was in our high school years that that the Camp David Accords were finally fully implemented. And you remember that the Israelis had occupied the entire Sinai Peninsula. And as part of Camp David, they had to give it back to the, the egyptians but the Israelis had already built settlements there and so the egyptians had demanded successfully that those settlements all be bulldozed and i remember video on watching walter cronkite in high school video of israeli bulldozers bulldozing the israeli settlements in sinai and and the settlers going completely bananas firing at the bulldozers from

throwing paint at them, throwing garbage at them, and then the IDF having to shoot rubber bullets at the settlers to get them out. That was in Egypt. Yeah. That was in Sinai. Yep. Can you imagine what it's going to be in the West Bank? If it comes to that.

If it ever came to that. And honestly, it should come to that. It should. Every one of them should be driven out. Absolutely. Demonizer's asking you, John, did the CIA collect any intelligence on the Israeli nuclear program, how hard would it be for us or another intelligence agency to infiltrate it? Oh, and before you answer that question, let me read another ad. If you haven't already,

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multi-part answer. So number one, since the NICS administration, the CIA has been forbidden from spying on Israel. But I know from a very highly placed insider that not all of the documents related to the JFK assassination were declassified and released, that several thousand pages were not declassified and released. Why? Because they all point to Israel. And the reason Israel hated John Kennedy was that he would not give them nuclear technology and actively stood in the way of them acquiring nuclear technology from other countries, including the likes of South Africa. Well, yeah, because South Africa, apartheid-era, South Africa, those were their besties. I mean, Nelson Mandela really fucked shit up for it.

He did. And you remember the South Africans were widely believed to have had a nuclear weapon. And then upon the fall of apartheid, they transferred all their nuclear technology to the Israelis. Nice people. Hey, may I answer another one I see from San? The stomach removal treatment that you got, does it cure only type 2 diabetes? Yes, only type 2. The doctors were very clear in our very first appointment that I had type 2, not type 1. Yes, I had type 2. And they said, okay, because it does nothing for type 1. So I'm sorry, that's probably not the answer you were looking to hear, but yeah. Basko Byrom wants to know, obviously this is not for me. Did you

work with Swedish intelligence? I never worked with Swedish intelligence, no. And I think it was just sort of the luck of the draw that we just never had reason to liaise. And Basco, Byram, asks a second question I see there. What do you think about Kurds in the Middle East regarding the ongoing situation? I will tell you, I'm biased. I'm biased because I have a deep love and respect of the Kurds. I worked very closely with Masoud Barzani's Kurdish Democratic Party and to a slightly

lesser extent with Jalal Talibani's patriotic union of Kurdistan. We had some heart to hearts, you know, over late night dinners. And they just kind of instilled in me this deep respect for the Kurds. And then when I was living in Athens, I'll tell you, it must have been my first day. in Athens, I was driving home from the office, and I was stopped in Athens' legendary traffic. It's just a parking lot. It's like Cairo. And these guys who looked to be not Greek, so they were going car to car and selling a newspaper.

So a guy came up to my window, which I shouldn't have rolled down, but I rolled it down anyway because I was curious. And he handed me the PKK newspaper with a hammer and sickle on it. And I thought, oh, PKK, I love Kurds. Hammer and Sickle or not Hammer and Sickle. So I gave him, I don't know, five bucks or whatever. And he's like, thank you, thank you, sir, thank you. So Kurds, there's a special place in my heart for the Kurds. Not you love Talbot.

Masoud Barzani once told me that he was born. I think he was born in like 47, which he called the Golden I. age of Kurdistan because very, very briefly, from 1946 to 1949, there was an independent Kurdistan. And then it just was absorbed. There are Kurds now in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, a little tiny bit in Azerbaijan and a handful in Armenia as well. I love those little interstitials, right? Like, there was an independent Taiwan from 1945 to 1949. There was an Independent Republic of East Turkestan from 1933 to 1943, where the Uyghurs live. And it's just sort of like these little things that happen, and then you blink and you miss it.

We should talk about this on request. Michael Vilaf, we were going to talk about this anyway. Eric Adams is out of the race here, the New York mayor's race. And for anybody who doesn't understand why the New York mayor's race is important, it's not because it's the nation's biggest city. It's because this is literally what the future of the Democratic Party is going to look like. Amen. That's what it's about.

So the Democratic Party is split between the progressive left and the centrist corporatists who run the DNC, and they're freaking out over Mamdani. Mamdani is going to win the effect of Adams dropping out, which is, by the way, it's just embarrassing how long it took. He waited so long that it's too late. to get his name off the ballot, which means that some fools are going to vote for him anyway. That always happens. Always. So he took his 8% of the vote and went home.

The smart money says that one of those points will go to Mondani, and Cuomo will get the other seven, and Curtis Slewa will not benefit at all. Now everyone's leaning on poor Curtis Leeward to drop out. Look, guys, Curtis Llewa can't. drop out of the race, not ethically or morally. He's the Republican nominee. It's literally it's like you literally would

be turning New York City literally into a one-party city. On purpose. It's on purpose. And I mean, I'm not a Republican, but it would be wrong to deprive Republican voters of their mayoral nominee. Curtis Lewa is a totally

legitimate candidate. The city would be, could do far worse than to have him as mayor. So, no, I mean, he's not going to drop out. He shouldn't drop out. Bamdani will be the mayor. And, you know, now you're starting to see the elites here starting to, you know, accept that. I think they understand that Mamdani's probably not going to be able to change very much.

So, but here's the thing, John. My take on this is, let's just say Mamdani, all eyes are going to be on him. If he succeeds, this is going to spread like wildfire within particular. Democratic cities. You're going to see this happen in LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Washington, D.C. You're going to see Democratic Socialists. They're going to become the mayors of all those cities. Because those cities have unpopular Democratic mayors, mainstream Democratic mayors. The cities are solidly democratic. Donald Trump got 7% in Washington, D.C. That's hilarious. But the mayor here, Muriel Bowser, is just reviled. She's terrible.

horrible. So Washington, just like Adams. Washington is ripe for a democratic socialist. And when that, but if he fails, this is going to be the empire strikes back. The, the corporatists are going to say, look, we let you guys play with the nation's biggest city and you fucked it up. Yeah. So that's what this is. And they're going to do everything. Donald Trump tweeted something today that I thought was unconscionable. He said, if a communist mom, you know, it wins, he will have major trouble with funding. I won't cooperate with him. So in other words, you're going to punish eight million people because you're an asshole? Yeah. Yeah.

It's really disgusting. You know John Katsimatidis, the second richest man in New York. Trump, of course, is the real estate king of Manhattan. John Katsimatidis is the real estate king of Brooklyn. and he's the richest living Greek American and he and Trump are joined at the hip. He ran for the Republican nomination for mayor, I think it was four years ago.

He's such a piggy man. And he is, yeah, he is a snotful person. So because of him and his constant complaints about the race, the race is being followed in the Greek papers, funny to me. And so what he's taken to lately is, he just built the biggest, the tallest residential building on the west coast of Florida, the Gulf Coast of Florida. It's in St. Petersburg.

And he says that if Mamdani wins, he's moving out of New York. He's leaving. And people are saying, promise, promise. Promises, promises. Sayonara. Don't let the door hit you on your fat out of the way out of down. Oh, my God. Fucker.

See you later. I was like, it's like I can, you know, I could, if I want to pay $4 for a rotten avocado, I can do that on the street for a quarter. Oh, wait, wait. Tarek makes this awesome comment. Oh, I have to, I have to read it. As I learned from my favorite show, The Wire, every mayoral candidate has great ideas until they get sworn in. Yeah. You are a hundred percent right. Yeah. And look, I've been asked about this grocery story, a star story idea. It's a dumb fucking idea that's going to fail. The buses is a pretty good idea. The rent is necessary, but probably not doable for basically the, you know, there was a major, I don't know if you're aware of this, but 2019 quietly New York City changed the law and made life really hard for landlords. And basically up until 2019, if you were renting out a rent-stabilized unit and your

tenant moved out, you could renovate the unit and then you could raise the rent a bit, right? Well, they got rid of that. So now the landlords are warehousing the units because they want the lot of change. They're like, well, you know, we're not going to rent it out now because like we're just going to sit. We're going to sit tight. So they're just saying, 57% of the city's one million red stabilized units are being warehoused. That's nuts. There is no fucking, there's no shortage.

It's a cartel. That is insane. It's like how diamonds aren't worth anything. The De Beers cartel makes. them worth something it's like that um so it's a fucking cartel honestly but i mean on the other hand the landlords can't make it work and they're going to start walking away from their units because they're going to be underwater you're going to it could be the bronx is burning all over again like in the 1970s wow that's big oh by the way this is a big boss bob ross is it true that the u.s

purposely and knowingly looked away from Batchabazi, Bacabazi, being practiced by important Afghan Northern Alliance allies. I read about it earlier and it's sickening. It is true. Yes. What he's referring to there is that it means dancing boys. Yes. Basically, there's no other word.

It's pederasty. Yeah, it's older. Afghan culture is deeply influenced by Persian culture, ancient Persian culture. And unfortunately, forced homosexuality between older men. and young boys has, you know, it's still considered like something that certain rich and powerful Afghan men practice, and they'll basically buy boys and rape them and keep them as sex slaves. Yeah, they make them do these homoerotic dances in front of them, and then they take them

in the bedroom and rape them. And they're there. Otherwise, they serve tea, and they serve as kind of a personal slave to the... And the U.S. has definitely turned a blind eye. Oh, yeah. I mean, they totally knew. They'd laugh. They made jokes about it.

They didn't care. Yeah, they did. They made jokes. Frazmatas says, Kurdistan sided with Nazi Germany, no. I wasn't aware that it was. Is it true? I don't know. I wasn't aware that it had a foreign policy at the time.

Welzich loved reading the reluctant spy. Is ever going to be back in print? Second edition, loving the podcast. Oh, thank you. I hope we keep it going for a long time. Thank you. You know, for whatever reason. random house just doesn't want to publish it again so i i went to my to my original uh literary agent

and she's like yeah i'm not your agent anymore so i don't really give a shit and just left it like that so i i i've not given up i'll say that way now the show is currently number six in the nation on rumble yay right behind alex jones of all people oh we could beat alex jones yeah i would hope so but well ahead of fox wow we're beating fox yeah good for us uh question what are the chances of a banquet steward in a charleston south carolina downtown hotel being intelligence uh uh u s intelligence i would say unlikely because i'm not sure what the target would be unless there's this like delegation of chinese people who just haven't moved out um foreign intelligence would be more of a possibility if there's like a military base nearby, for

example. Hello, Mom, 20 bucks. Thanks again. Thank you. And we had a chance to check out Tucker's episode on 9-11. If so, what are our thoughts? I'm sorry, I haven't watched it yet. You know, I'm in episode five.

I sat for an interview a couple of months ago. And to tell you the truth, I'm too cheap to pay the $6 to watch it. Okay, there, I admitted it. I'm like that, too. You know, here we go. Bosco, Byron, this is a great question. What's the percentage of males versus females in the CIA? Oh, and I've got to ask, are there any trans people in the CIA?

There are now, yes. Okay. There are trans people in the CIA. That's a relatively new development just over the last, I'm going to say, six, seven, eight years. You know, time was when the only women in the CIA were secretaries and file clerks. And then in the 70s, that began to change when they were allowed to be what are called reports officers. Reports officers are kind of the analysts of the operations directorate. They're the ones who make sure that the intelligence reports that are being submitted,

answer questions that the analysts wanted. And they make sure that stuff's in the right format. and all that business. And then in the 80s, it really changed. In the late 80s, women at the agency filed a class action suit saying we have been discriminated against since the founding of the CIA just because we're women. And the judge in the Eastern District of Virginia not only ruled that the women were right that they had been discriminated against, but said that he had never seen a case where the

defendant had so clear. documented his own crime. And so not only did the women get $100,000 each, every woman in the CIA got a two-grade promotion overnight, just like that, which caused problems that they've not fully worked through yet. Because then you got, you know, just like some men are dumb-dums. Some women are dumb-dums. And they don't have any business being,

senior intelligence service, you know, chief of station. They had topped out at a GS-14. Now they're senior intelligence service level one, and we're all reporting to them. So, a question for me. Thank you very much. Zachary Beard. Hey, Ted, I'm buying your book. Is it most beneficial for you of folks purchased from your website?

Yeah, for sure. I was just, if you're interested in buying any of my books, including my most, my latest, what's left, just go to raw.com slash books. If you buy it from me, you also get it signed. So there you go, but yeah, but if you get it from, like with all authors, like Amazon's, maybe like the worst, uh, you get like a few cents per copy. Um, second, no, I mean, better to buy from an independent bookstore than it's a full royalty. But if when you buy directly from a creator, they get like almost all the money. So it's a huge difference. I do that with bands. I still buy CDs and I buy directly from the band website if they have one. Not from Amazon.

no my brother my brother told me when his songs would come out he made me promise not to buy them on amazon because amazon keeps almost every cent of it yeah no like same thing with spotify and pandora i mean like literally if you buy like a 13 dollar CD from a band that's the equivalent of i'm not even kidding like 150 000 listens on pandora true so you should always do that um you know if you care about music at all. John, should we talk about this? You had some ideas about the shooting. Well, it was beyond a shooting.

Yeah. So at this, at the Grand Blank Township Church of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which, aka the Mormons, this 40-year-old ex-Marine drove his pickup truck with two giant American flags filled with at least three bombs inside. threw into the church, opened fire and killed four people so far, wounded eight. Hopefully that's how those numbers will remain. And now there's, you know, I should point out also an interesting side note, David Swanson, a peace activist, he took note, he has a column out today,

pointing out that 32% of mass shooters are vets and that it's probably worth having a conversation, but that the media doesn't like to talk about it. This guy was 40 years old, ex-Marine. We don't really know his motivation. Apparently, there was a Trump sign outside of his home for whatever that means. So there was some thought that he might have, you know, had, he was blown up by an IED and he might be suffering PTSD. Wouldn't be surprising, not to mention the traumatic, you know, brain injuries that you get

when you're blown up by an IED in combat, even if you aren't wounded, you know, just from the, just from being through the bomb attack. Um, guys name is Tom Sanford. Any thoughts? Jake, Jake, I think. Right?

Jacob, Thomas Sanford. Yeah, Thomas Jacob Sanford. Thomas Jacob Sanford. Yeah. You know, I've got a theory. I base this on nothing but my own observations. So don't, don't jump all over me. But I wonder if this guy was,

a devotee of Charlie Kirk. The kid who's alleged to have shot and killed Charlie Kirk is a Mormon. And he was raised in the Mormon church by a devoutly Mormon family. This church that this guy Sanford attacked, of course, is a Mormon church. The victims were all Mormons. And he went in there to kill as many people as he could. The church burned to the ground. It's a complete loss, the police said today.

And four dead, eight wounded. I wonder if he did this to avenge Charlie Kirk. Because you read the quotes from... Trump poster in front of the house. Yeah. And you read the quotes from his best friend from high school and his landlady and the guy who's grassy cut. And everybody said that they just cannot fathom that he did...

Really nice, man. Yeah. Very helpful. He's got a young child. kids like seven years old nobody said a single bad thing about it all they said is they just can't believe he did it

do you think if he left a statement that it would be covered up at this point yeah I do actually there's been this move ever since the attack in it was either Memphis or Nashville a couple of years ago to not

to not release the contents of final statements of final statements of final statements statements or manifestos so as not to encourage other people to commit copycat crimes. So if he left something in writing, I bet we're never going to see the contents of it. John, we have an ad and also Robbie wants to just remind everyone to go over to Rumble.

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than a pipe bomb is what the the fire chief said i'm not sure what to make of that but he was shouting do you believe in jesus or something i don't know um maybe he had a you know a psychotic break from PTSD maybe well you kind of would have to to drive your truck into a church and kill people as young as four years old I think the youngest wicket was

right I mean not cool no just the master of understatement here yeah no doubt about it so let's see there's Hans Eli

123 says I want to see a two versus two debate between us two and two conservatives that'd be fun i would do that happily i'd do that anytime i love debating i do too you know i i go in the pierce morgan show every once a while and it's always two verses too but he never tells you who the other people are going to be so sometimes you go on like the first time i went on i was with scott horton and scott is a frigging genius how scott is able to hold these facts in his head, it's, it's, I don't know how he does it. But anyway, I have deep respect for him. The second time I went on, it took me like the first 20 minutes to realize that I was

paired with Jack Posobiac. And I was like, oh my God, I couldn't stand Jack Posobiac. And I'm his partner. Oh my God, they think I'm conservative. So I just made the best of it. A little correction for Asmataz is saying, I was confusing the failed Nazi plot to the big three at the Tehran conference with the Kurdistan Nazi but I thought there was some kind of connection there but okay I'll have to look into that um I mean yeah um we are we should talk we should before we sign off we should talk about the looming government shut down I do not know how this is going to go um the democrats have 53 uh sorry the republicans have 53 Senate votes.

They need 60 to pass this continuing resolution. Up until a day or so ago, the Trump administration kind of seemed oblivious to the idea that they needed seven Democratic votes. And the Democrats are basically saying, look, you have to restore the Obamacare subsidies. That's right. Because now, John, as usual, I'm really frustrated by the Democratic Party and they're complete incompetent messaging. Yeah, they are.

This morning I listened to Amy Klobuchar talk about this, and she said, and she was asked, why now? Why can't you discuss this at the end of the year? And the answer, Senator Klobuchar, who gets paid a lot more money than John and I do, is because right now people are choosing their ACA plans for next year. This is the renewal period. It is. and they need those that we can't wait until December or January because by then it's

fucked all the way through next year that dear Democrats is the answer to your fucking question I don't know why you can't answer it it's not complicated uh-uh the fuck happened there I am oh good oh I hope that was me And I said, what the fuck happened? Sorry, I thought it was me. No, it was me. That swipe thing on the Mac that we talk about sometimes? Yes, yes.

Just like the slightest little gesture. If I look at the magic mouse wrong, it just like dumps me out. But anyway, in the middle of that rant, the Democrats just don't fucking know what they're doing. So I don't know. If they could message this correctly, they could say, Trump wants to take away your health care. He wants you and your aging parents to die and doesn't care. But they don't seem able to communicate to the American people. So they might just end up, you know, punting.

I don't know what they're going to do. I think the Republicans have a problem, too, because the Republicans in the Senate at least appear as though they're willing to negotiate a little bit. But Republicans in the House have already passed their version of the budget, and they are unwilling to accept any Senate change. So it's not just that the Republicans, Democrats, and the Senate can't agree. It's that the Republicans in the Senate and the Republicans in the House can't agree.

And Trump has allied himself with the House Republicans. This is going to be ugly. You know, you and I, we would talk about these things over at Spideck every time they came up and they came up all the time. Yes. And we always predicted correctly that it would go right up to the deadline and then they would have a a 30-day extension, right? Or 60-day extension. It's different this time.

The two sides are, are, have set their, their positions in stone and nobody's willing to have a meeting or to concede. Trump finally today agreed to see Hakeem Jeffries and, and, and, Schumer, but he didn't say he's going to actually listen to what they have to say or entertain it. He's a terrible negotiator. Terrible. His bottom line is always up front. Take and leave it.

That's it. End of the negotiations. Yeah, that's not a negotiation at all. All he's doing is backing people up into a corner. That's it. I sincerely hope that I really think the Democrats should shut down the government. I think I know conventional wisdom is at the party that does that gets beaten up.

But in this case, if they don't do it, the ACA thing, that damage is going to be massive. You're absolutely right. And the Democrats have a reputation now as being spineless jellyfish in the face of Donald Trump. So if they're going to try to recover some of their reputation, at least among the mainstream, they're going to have to stand up to them. I agree with you that the Republicans... They're at micropenus level now. They might be able to get to 25% over micro penis. Yes. Yes. So they're going to have to seize the opportunity. Two Toes says, I know Rumble is great for all you all now, but I really hope you stay on YouTube too. Don't worry. We're going to stay on YouTube. Rumble is going to have a big

limiting factor as the show goes. Just think there's more overall potential on YouTube. I don't know about that, but we're going to, we're going to continue to be on both. We like being on both. So, Juan Don, Dollar, thank you very much. Why are Americans surprised that Americans kill a lot or are violent I don't know Peter said when I went off that was the Democratic cancer turned that off

awesome when did they decide how much they get paid oh they just raised their pay last year in the budget I like this Luigi should be put in charge of the Department of Health

and Human Services here here oh and thank you Harry Quantrill just gifted one subscription to the show Thank you, thank you. Dana Albrecht says, I can't wait till Schumer is gone.

Poof, you and me both never could stand that guy. I can't stand him, but you know who I can't stand even more is a keen. Oh, what a, what a, what a traitor to progressive ideals. Yeah, I can't stand this guy. And I was excited when he won that race. Me too, me too. Yeah, what a fucking disappointment. I mean, Chuck Schumer, I'm like, there's,

he doesn't suck 100% of the time. He sucks 90% of the time. Kim Jeffries sucks 110% of the time. You know, let me say one thing about Chuck Schumer. And I don't even mind if Chuck Schumer sues me for saying it. But I will say I heard from two people in the same week, two people independently of one another who don't even know that the other one exists. Two people told me in the same week that they were in the room when they saw Chuck Schumer take a bride.

Whoa. Yeah. Wow. So I don't know. What do you say? That's New York politics or that's national politics or Chuck Schumer's a criminal or I don't know. But these people don't even know that the other exists. Really?

And they both said in the same week that they've been witness. Yeah. That's rough. I mean, I feel like a Boy Scout here. I'm like, what? But he's my. Senator, I don't know what you can mean. That's supposed to be Illinois. Exactly. You expect that from Chicago, but I don't know. I'm not comfortable with it.

No, nor should you be. Well, are we sufficiently deprogrammed for the day? I think so. All right, everyone, listen, we are here generally Monday through Friday 5 p.m. And that will be the case tomorrow night when we have reality winner. This is a pre-tape. So it's going to air as a live show. I'm going to sit in the live chat and babysit, so anyone who wants to get together and comment and watch, I'll be there to interact. Probably Robbie will be as well. But this was pre-recorded in order to accommodate reality schedule. Great interview. Goes well over an hour. Well worth watching, strongly recommend that you watch it. Please like, follow, and share the show. Please subscribe. Please move over to Rumble. You can dual

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