DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Deprogram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “So, the US DOES Control Israel”

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou bring you up to date on the ceasefire deal seeking to end the Gaza War. President Trump delivers ironclad guarantees preventing Israel from abandoning the ceasefire, with U.S. officials revealing a pivotal U.S.-led military task force monitoring violations—exposing the moral bankruptcy of those who claimed the U.S. could not control Israel. Similarly, food aid will now flow into Gaza, belying Israelis who kept claiming they were not keeping it out.Also: New York AG Letitia James faces bank fraud charges, judges shield Chicago journalists and protesters from DHS riot weapons, New York City's mayoral race tightens post-Adams' exit, and Peru's Congress impeaches President Dina Boluarte.How Trump Leaned on Israel: President Trump issued personal guarantees securing the Gaza deal, establishing a 200-soldier U.S.-led task force with Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, and UAE officers to monitor compliance. IDF withdrawal begins at noon local time and Hamas' hostage release—20 alive—will occur Monday, as eyes turn to two questions. Who will rule Gaza? How low will Israel’s reputation sink when the world gets to see the full scope of its genocide? Indictment Letitia James: A Virginia grand jury charges NY AG James with bank fraud and false statements for claiming her $137,000 Norfolk home as a secondary residence, actually an investment yielding $19,000 in interest savings. This second high-profile foe indictment in weeks follows Comey's charges, with probes into Schiff and Cook amid Trump's retribution push. Judge Tells ICE To Stop Brutalizing Journalists: Judge Ellis temporarily bans DHS agents from targeting journalists or protesters with riot weapons at ICE sites, requiring two audible warnings and visible IDs unless undercover. Force, arrests, or dispersal apply only with probable cause unrelated to orders, protecting First Amendment amid "extreme brutality" claims.Cuomo Losing By Less: Quinnipiac's October 3-7 survey shows Mamdani leading 46-33% over Cuomo, gaining no new ground but sustaining enthusiasm post-Adams' September dropout. Cuomo absorbs most ex-Mayor Adams support, up 10 points in four-way race with Sliwa at 15%, margins at ±3.9%. Mamdani, sole favorably viewed, eyes debates without hitting 50%.Peru President's Impeached: Congress ousts Dina Boluarte 122-0, citing moral incapacity after Wednesday's Lima cumbia concert machine-gun attack wounds four band members. Extortion explodes to 2,000 monthly cases, killing bus drivers and bombing businesses, dooming her 2-4% approval despite emergency decrees. Protesters rally outside Ecuador embassy on asylum rumors; Congress president assumes interim role until April elections.

Good morning. You're watching DeProgram with Ted Raul and John Kyriaku, and John Kyriaku is still in a tarantula-free zone. Yeah, I'll tell you, and I've got a Starbucks for the first time in two weeks, and life is good. Life is good. When are you returning to the land of the mosquitoes? Literally, as soon as you hit the stop recording button. I mean, I'm kind of jealous, but kind of not jealous. Both. It's definitely one of those mixed bags. Thanks, everyone, for joining us.

I'm Ted Rall running the board today, so Robbie West is off. His prayer session ran long. God does that sometimes. Please like, follow, and share the show. If you'd like to contribute, we still have there. We're still trying to iron out the kinks with YouTube. And we think we will. It'll be a matter of days, probably by next week.

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Yeah, that's important for me. Deprogram Podcast at gmail.com is the PayPal and the email. I will admit that if you PayPal, I'll probably reply sooner than if you don't PayPal, because I'm a capitalist at heart, not really, but I'm a communist at heart, but, you know, we're living in a capitalist system, so that's how it is. Well, last to talk about today, John is on the, some guy named Joe Rogan's show. Is that a thing? It was quite an experience yesterday. You know, you have to sign a non-disclosure. agreement before you go on on the show so so i couldn't bring anybody with me i couldn't tell anybody the address of the studio or the location of the studio i wasn't allowed to take any pictures

i wasn't allowed to bring my phone in with me you know that kind of thing those are basic security protocols and frankly i don't blame him at all i'll tell you what he had he had five of the biggest guys i've ever seen like right out of a wwe you know so like in 1980s new york city nightclub dormant that's exactly what they were like refrigerators exactly and security cameras like every inch of this compound was covered by cameras and then an entire wall of video monitors. Chameling Fence with Concertina Wire

at the top. It was incredible. And it turns out that he used to broadcast from the same studio where Alex Jones broadcasts from. Oh, wow. And Alex Jones had one of his reporters murdered just a few blocks from the studio in June.

And Rogan said, I'm out of here. That seems reasonable. Yeah. but security was very, very important. And nice guy, very down to earth, very normal, friendly average guy. He was a little bit late. He said there was traffic.

He came in about 10 minutes late. We went straight into the studio and there were no pleasantries or anything. He just straight into it. That's best for three hours, yeah. So that's great. So, yeah, three hour interview. I mean, it's like, it's fun. funny, right? Because that's just an example of how the, you know, podcasting has really changed things.

You know, it's like on television, if you got a five-minute interview, that was a wide-ranging, long interview. Oh, yeah. Exactly. And three, the funny thing about the three hours was for the first hour, he didn't say a single word. He just kind of sat there looking at me. And then he was just like, fuck. I didn't realize. it was that bad, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's true that when people hear stories like yours in detail, it's the details that really do, you know, bring it across. I mean, that's how you experienced it.

And even, you know, even a one-hour retelling is like obviously highly compressed, right? Highly compressed. But still, I mean, you know, you experienced it over the course of years. I mean, hell, you're still experiencing it. Yeah. And so, like to get this. Yeah, right now. I mean, it never really leaves you.

I mean, even if you get a pardon, you know, it's, I mean, I think the word, I think the word smeared from the McCarthy era is such a good word for it. Because it's really true, you know, you've been psych, you get psychically and psychologically and spiritually smeared. And, you know, you can't ever really wash it all away. No. No. There's, it's not possible to fully recover from something like this. Because it changes not just you, but the people around you. Right.

And you can't go back in time and try to fix things. My life will never be the same. Well, that's a good segue. Maybe we should get right into the news. And obviously, Gaza is at the top of the news. And Gaza is a place that, you know, is never going to be the same, really. And I think, honestly, Israel is never going to be the same. I mean, the Israelis lost their humanity.

in this whole thing, and I don't know how they get it back. They certainly don't get their reputation back. I got to just say this one thing, this thought I had, you know, now, you know, there's going to be an influx of aid. There's also going to be an influx of Western news reporters. And for the first time, there's not going to be any denying on the part of Israeli apologists exactly what the full scale of what Israel did there. If Israel thinks this is going to, this is the beginning of the road back to their reputation, they're mistaken.

It's going to be the opposite. It's going to get worse as people see what they did. Yep. I think that's exactly right. And, you know, this is a pet peeve of mine. And I know that, you know, the Israelis or their agents are watching this because they watch everything. Hi, guys. But there are a couple of things that bother me very much about this issue.

Number one, why in the world does the mainstream media say Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners? Why? The Palestinians are hostages too. You just scoop people up off the street and disappear them in prisons. They've been kidnapped. They're hostages. Same as yours are. They're hostage. Number one.

Number two, you know, we hear like, oh my god the israeli hostage was released and he's all skin and bones and they starved have you looked at the Palestinians yeah in most by most accounts the Israeli hostages actually got the lion's share of whatever food that's available to their captors that's right the Israeli hostages were treated better than the Palestinian hostages were oh yeah no I mean Palestinians have died in in captivity I mean there's no evidence that But there's no evidence than any, I'm sure it's happened, but I mean, there's no solid evidence that Israeli hostages have been murdered. They've been killed by, you know, by IDF bombing and shooting and

stuff like that. Yes. But, you know, and by the way, hostage taking is not, is obviously inexcusable of civilians in particular. But yeah, no, I think it's like, the narrative has just been way over the top. So we're going to talk about Gaza. We're going to talk about Letitia James, who, um, has been, is now in the crosshairs of the Trumpies. I like this story out of Chicago where a judge basically has issued a formal order saying, hey, quit beating up and targeting journalists and protesters at ICE protests. Like that guy from Fox, although, God, that spin machine, crazy. I thought that was Antifa.

The Antifa PD. Cuomo has picked up pretty much all of the Eric Adams vote in the New York mayoral raise, but it's not going to be enough to overcome Mamdani's lead. Mandani is going to be the next mayor of the city of New York. And the president of Peru has been impeached. I thought this was a big story because it's unanimous, right? I mean, there's some crying today in the White House over the Nobel Peace Prize, which did not go to Donald Trump.

It went to a right-wing Venezuelan opposition politician. So we'll get into all that. What should we do first, John? Wow, there's so much. You know, let's do it a little differently today. Let's hit some of these smaller issues so we can knock them out. Let's do it. Maria Machado, now I'm going to have to learn her full name.

What's her name? Maria Carina Machado. Machado. You know, correct me, Ted, because I'm not an expert on Venezuela. Nor am I. I thought she was a, I thought she was like the female Juan Guaido. She is. Yeah, that's basically it. Yeah. Well, today the Washington Post is saying that she now joins the ranks of Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi, and other laureates who have challenged autocratic rule. Well, Aung San Suu Kyi's no hero. She's a human rights criminal. But anyway, yeah, it was my understanding that she was just another Juan Guaido.

She's in hiding, apparently. So it's unclear whether she will be in Oslo in person to accept the peace prize. But I wanted to ask you, you know more about Venezuela than I do. Do you think that this is part of the Western effort to weaken? the Maduro government? Yeah, I do. It's really kind of transparent and cheap, but I think that's what it is. It's just literally, you know, like Maduro, look, Maduro is under siege, right?

I mean, he's got U.S. warships right off the coast. He's got U.S. drones blowing up Venezuelan flagged boats that may or may not be affiliated with drug cartels that, you know, he's already off like, you know, what, 25 Venezuelan citizens or more, you know, God knows, you know, the pressure is on. That's not even counting all the sanctions. And there's a massive propaganda, I think this is part of the massive propaganda campaign against the Maduro government. So, you know, it's kind of like Hugo Chavez 2.0. They just, the U.S. is determined to have a puppet government in Venezuela as the largest oil producer in the Western Hemisphere. And I think it comes down to that. I think it's really just that simple.

it was a disappointing and strange choice I could have thought of a lot a lot better choices I mean I would have rather see Greta Thunberg get it you know what I mean you know as much as that girl bothers me she deserved it you know she actually like walks the walk and deserves it yeah yeah so yeah I have to agree with you so yeah we'll follow that and so but Well, then while we're in Latin America, let's scoot over to Peru. I don't know. Yeah, I didn't follow this at all. I was surprised when I saw your note.

Yeah, well, I hadn't been following it either. I mean, Peruvian politics are always kind of weird to me. But basically, apparently the country has been ravaged by a massive out-of-control crime wave. Basically, you can't drive a bus in Peru, apparently, without being threatened. with death unless you are you pay out shakedown money businesses have been bombed in effort you know for not paying protection money basically extortion is the national industry now in Peru and the gut the president who's just been ousted Dina Buloarte she's a right sort of a center right I think it's fair to say more right than center ruler and she had had pretty pretty broad

support but basically you know one of the reasons you elect right wingers is for law and order and if you don't get law in order there's no reason to have her around so the in the peruvian system one house of parliament right they don't think they have a bicameral legislature there um one they they can remove the president and they did and they did it unanimously that is 122 to zero oh god so it's a stunning rebuke So she goes from being president, just like, just like that, the stroke of midnight, she's unemployed. So she's basically, so basically there's all sorts of thoughts that she may be fleeing into exile to us in to go to Ecuador.

The Ecuadorians haven't said whether they're going to accept her or not, but that would indicate to me that she's not even viewed as like physically safe in her own country. there was a machine gun attack against in the middle of a concert on Wednesday that killed the four members of the band while they were playing. So people just basically are like, basically Congress is like, fuck this, she's out. I assume they'll have new elections. See, and this is another country that's having catastrophic political developments.

and is utterly ignored by the Western press. And it's a Western country. I didn't know any of this stuff. No, it's true. Well, it's because the news is not good in our, to say the least. Question for you, John, from Longhorn Clement. Did the topic of Mike Baker come up on Joe Rogan's show? I really wanted you to tell Joe how Mike got fired from the CIA.

Well, yes and no. the very first thing he asked me when he walked into the studio was hey do you know my friend mike baker and i said oh sure i've known mike for years in fact i replaced mike in aphens and i worked with his wife in london and then he says okay we're on the air um and then he just changed the the subject so that was literally all i got to say was yeah i know That was it. And then he never came back to Mike Baker again. That's kind of analogous to the world of cartooning where, you know, if you meet another cartoonist and you say, and they say, oh, I know your work.

That means they don't like you or your work, but it's like, but they know it. I always say, I admire your work. See, that's different. Yeah. Or I like your work or your work is great or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we could, we could talk about Cuomo. Yeah, let's talk about Cuomo. So you were right. You predicted that he was going to get all or almost all of Eric Adams support. And that's exactly what happened. But with that said, it's nowhere near enough to win this race. And look, man, we're already on the 10th of October. The race, the elections in three weeks.

And I'm assuming that it's actually earlier than that because we have early voting here in New York City. That was my next sentence. Yeah. I've already voted in Virginia for the gubernatorial race. So I just assume New York City is an advanced, you know, an advanced constituency that has early voting. Well, New York City in many ways is not an advanced country city. You know, I mean, we have a subway system that still runs on D.C. power. But it's definitely, yeah, we have early voting and we have ranked choice voting, but it's none of that's going to matter. I mean, Mamdani's lead is obviously insurmountable. Current poll shows Mamdani at 46, Cuomo at 33, Curtis Lee, well, the Republican nominee at 15. So with an error message, with an error of plus or minus 4%, which is so did you see a day before, yes, Yesterday, Rudy Giuliani endorsed Curtis Sliwa.

Oh, well, I mean, he is the Republican nominee. Yeah, but Giuliani was a lifelong Democrat, was he not? Well, he was, but not as mayor. I mean, you know, he ran as a Republican as mayor. But, I mean, you know, the Republican Party line, you know, under Giuliani and Bloomberg was kind of just sort of like lying around doing nothing. So it was an opportunity for politicians who didn't, who were, frustrated by the intricacies of the Democratic machine in New York, it's like, okay, I'll just

step outside of that. And everyone kind of like new wink, wink, wink, nudge, I'm for a woman's right to choose. I'm pro-gay. It's all fine. You know, I know I'm a Republican, but so. I'm one of the good Republicans. I could just hear him saying it. So Cuomo, I mean, obviously, you know, the powers that be in New York have to be accepting the reality here at a certain point. Now, I'm interested in seeing what's going to happen with the landlords. Landlords are warehousing about one out of four rental units in New York City, hoping for a law that passed in 2019 under former Mayor de Blasio to change. They're basically hoping that they're going to be able to raise the rents under going back to the pre-2019 rules. That's, look, whatever

Mamdani happens does or doesn't do, he's not going to reverse that law. So the landlords are going to have to come to Jesus, and they're going to have to decide, do we, A, try to figure out a way to, like, get rid of Mondani, like, impeach him or something. B, do we sit tight for four years and keep these units warehoused all this time and collect zero rent? Or do we internalize the new valuations of our properties that are worth now considerably less than they were before 2019? And then that would, that last part would mean that some landlords, maybe many landlords would walk away from their properties and allow them to be abandoned or go bankrupt or burn them down for the insurance money as happened in the Bronx in the 1970s. But it's going to be, I mean, there's going to be repercussions here, you know, in terms of the, in terms of the rent. Tell me something, Ted, to do something like, like to, you know, to, you know, revoke previous legislation or whatever.

Is that done by the city council? And isn't New York City's city council just gigantic? Yes, John, you may not know. You personally are on the New York City Council. You just never showed up. Yeah, we all are. You know, my cat is, Clovis. I mean, you know, it is a gigantic city council.

I think, I don't even know. I think it's 65 members, I want to say, if I had to put money on it. It's absurd. And yes, everything has to go through. City Council. It's a very left-wing, you know, basically it's a DSA, left-wing city council. I don't think there's a single, like, conservative on it. You know, a conservative on the New York City Council is basically like a Hubert Humphrey Democrat. And so they're going to be, so they're going to be

extremely acquiescent. They're going to be very happy with this mayor. This mayor is going to get along great with city council. So, you know, anything they propose, he's going to sign, anything he proposes, they're going to pass. So there's not going to be gridlock in city hall in that way, except for just the fact that New York City just can't respond to anything. I mean, for example, there's a crisis with e-bikes, and people are getting killed all the time by speeding e-bikes, but the city just can't, you know, doesn't seem to, I mean, just yesterday, I was listening to local WNYC talking about like why the city isn't doing anything. Well, there's 15,000. e-vikes, John.

So how are they going to regulate them? I'm like, they regulate eight million New Yorkers. I mean, how many cars are there in New York? How many trucks? There's 15,000. What does that even mean? That's the stupidest explanation in the world. But that's literally what they say.

Oh, my God. Yeah. So we're not, we shouldn't expect, so we're going to expect Mundani to win, but we shouldn't expect these catacly chalismic changes that so many people are disingenuously predicting. Yeah, unfortunately, there's not going to be hammer and sickle bunting over times as much as I would love to see that.

So, yeah, no, I mean, look, I think the thing is that the mayor is, he's, this mayor is going to have, honestly, one major problem. And nobody's talking about this. There are three loci of power in New York City. the cops, there's the real estate, and there's Wall Street. None of those are in Mamdani's pocket. Mamdani has the voters, but the voters elect you, but you can't govern without having one of them, right? Like Giuliani had the police.

Bloomberg obviously had Wall Street. Ed Koch had real estate. You know, de Blasio had nothing, and he was extremely ineffectual as a result. So, Mamdani's problem is that he's going to always have to go straight to the New Yorkers for approval of anything. The Yorkers are divided about a lot of issues that non-New Yorkers don't care about. Like, you know, a lot of stuff relating to schools, like do you do tracking or do you have, you know, we have public, we have high schools that are for, that are elite. And they keep changing the rules as to, you know, whether they're going to try to make them more racially diverse or not. and, you know, schools like Bronx Science and Stuyvesant, which are, you know, very hard to get into.

You need great math and science scores. So the point is they're going to argue about stuff like that. But I think Mondani is not going to, first of all, if he can freeze the rent, that'll be like a year or two. Okay. I mean, it's just, and even freezing the rent, when the average rental is $5,000 a month, freezing the rent isn't really that big a deal. The rent's so high already. I mean, a rent reduction would be significant, would matter more. And, you know, as for the grocery stores that, you know, your friend,

the Greek Gristadis Magnet-Lagin-Lagin-Legs, John Katzimatidis. It's going to have no effect because there's going to be five stores for the entire city of New York, for eight million people who, I don't care how big they are. It's not going to make any difference. He's going to move to St. Petersburg, Florida. It's like, promise? Okay. Don't let the door hit you on the hour.

on the way out. Yeah. So, yeah, so there's going to be like, no, really truly, it's not the rise of socialism, really truly. You know, what is a Democratic socialist? It's a liberal in the 60s. That's what it is. Yeah, that's it.

That's all. It's literally, that's literally all it is. If you look at democratic socialism today, we're talking about Lyndon Johnson. Yeah, yeah, totally. With the Vietnam War aside, we're talking about it. Question here from Declays. Is there any validity to recovering revenue from empty living spaces by taxing landlords for sitting on them? It's a good question. Yes. I mean, yes, you look, the thing is there's eminent domain. These properties could be seized. Many of them, commercial spaces that have been boarded up and covered with graffiti for years are obviously an eyesore. You know, empty units become prey for squatter. and drug dealers and stuff.

So there's, I've always said this. I think it should be, forget taxation. I think it should be against the law to have a unit remain empty more than a certain period of time. You could make that period very long. You could say, you know, property rights are very important. You could say five years or whatever.

That is long, yeah. But at a certain, I would say two years would be like fair. Like you got a rent and it's going to, yeah, it would have a depressing effect on rent. which we need, you know, desperately. But, yeah, and, you know, certainly a moderate solution would be to tax. Right now, the landlords, they can take the, they can take deductions on the very sizable ones on the warehouse units.

So I hate that. I mean, just get rid of the tax incentives that they currently have. And, you know, you'd see more units come online. Wow. Yeah. I like your idea. Five years, you know. know in the greater scheme of real estate is not really that terribly low no and it might put some

pressure on on rental prices it would roll by i mean at a certain point they'd be like ah shit yeah i mean i personally think you know i mean as a former son-in-law of a landlord um you know i never my he always had the my father-in-law always had the idea like it's better to have low rent and and have someone occupying that space all the time than it is to you know, give them to have people have a lot of churn. You always have to clean. You have to paint. You know, and every month is killer on that spreadsheet when you see you had that zero red. You don't want that, you know. You want tenants. I mean, that's the point. That's what you're in the business of. Should we talk about Letitia James? Yeah, let's do that. Seems kind of

mean-spirited, no? It definitely seemed. Although what she did to Donald Trump was also, He was very mean-spirited. A little mean-spirited, right? So it is kind of funny, right? Because it's like a very... So Letitia James is charged with... She took out... She had mortgages on two homes.

She has a... I forget which is which, but she has a house in New York. She's a house in Virginia. I think the Virginia house is a vacation home. Anyway, when she applied for her mortgage on the Virginia house, she claimed that it was her...

The form that she filled out for the loan said that it was her primary residence. When you take out a loan and on a house that's your primary residence, you get a better interest rate than when it's your second, when it's a vacation home. Who knows what was in her mind when she did that?

Was she thinking, who's going to know, who's going to care? Maybe she was just like, when you close on a house and you have a pile of paper this high and they just keep to sign here, sign here, sign here, sign here. And it's like, yeah, you promise you read all this. Uh-huh, I read all this.

So maybe she didn't do that. She is the Attorney General of New York. So probably I think people like that should be more careful. But anyway, she's accused of having benefited in $19,000 in interest savings. And so this, John, this is really trivial, right? I mean, it's a speeding ticket. I mean, she's being prosecuted. No one's sending her to prison over this.

I mean... No, she's not going to get her prison. No. This is to annoy her. It's lawfare. It is. It's law fair. And if you ask Donald Trump,

do you believe this is law fair? He would probably say, sure. Of course it is. Just like her prosecution of me was law fair, he would say. Right. And it was. And it was. Yes.

Yes. I mean, look, Donald Trump lied to get low. He basically said, you know, hey, it's not the size of my. apartment it's how I use it to get a loan so he kept he exaggerated about the um his assets in order to have more collateral than he really did have and got loan and got loans he shouldn't have gotten as a result but so it's he basically committed fraud to get the loan but he paid it back i mean the the lender was completely whole which is really like the main point of like these kind of fraud laws so

it's a victimless crime, but it's a crime. And, you know, he was, and he was hit hard, right? Like hundreds of millions of dollars for this, for these business records. That's right. And so, you know, and so that's, that had to really hurt. I mean, the Trump organization, I think, is still not licensed to do business in New York State as a result. They're specifically banned from doing business in New York State. And obviously, that's where it started, right? So that's a, I mean, that's got to hurt. I mean, obviously, I'm sure. But look, Democrats are going to say, and they are saying that, like, you know, Donald Trump has obviously weaponized the DOJ against his enemies, including Letitia. He's probably going to go, he'll figure out,

if he can figure out a way to go after what's her name down there in Atlanta, the prosecutor, the RICO prosecutor, he will, right? You know, he's gone after James Comey. there will be more. How do we feel about this? I mean, I'm really torn. It's like part of me thinks these are legit prosecutions. These are people who did bad things. So it's like this is again, it's kind of like analogous to what we were talking about yesterday.

Americans like they like going after illegal immigrants. They don't like the way these deportations are happening. And similarly here, I think I like to see public officials who are doing. doing bad things punished, but I don't like the way this is being done. Does that make sense? It does. You know, I think really most, most of us, and I would even include myself in this, have these sort of vague ideological positions, and then we have trouble laying them out for others and were we in positions of authority where we would have to implement them into policy, we would be unable to do so.

I don't think this is unique to Donald Trump or to the Trump administration. Like, for example, nobody wants to have undocumented migrants here who are raping and murdering people or carjacking people or community. Nobody wants. They can go. Yeah, they can go. But what do you do? I mean, it's not like they are.

carrying little signs saying, I'm a violent illegal immigrant. Right. And then the Trump response is just to scoop up everybody, throw everybody out. I had to laugh. I think I mentioned this yesterday. I had to laugh when the head of Latinos for Trump was scooped up last week. He's in detention now and he's being expelled imminently. They had a picture of him with this big sign, Latinos for,

Trump? You can't make that up. It's awesome. Enjoy your Ghana, buddy. John, we never talked about it, but what about the superintendent of the Des Moines Public School System? We really have to talk about that because there's actually more to the story that I learned yesterday. Oh, yeah? What you're talking about is a scandal that should never, ever, ever have happened. There's a guy who, until last week, was the superintendent of schools for the city of Des Moines, which is the largest school district in the state of Iowa.

And frankly, it's one of the largest school districts in the Midwestern United States. For sure. So it's a real, Des Moines's a real city. It's a city, a real city. By the way, John, do you know how Des Moines got named? I love this story. No idea. I just assumed it was a native name.

So I don't know if it was Lewis and Clark, but it was like basically Western explorers were traveling along the river there. and they had a local Indian guide helping them who spoke native languages. I think it was the Mohawk language, I could be wrong about that. But anyway, the point is, at one point, the American colonists said, so what's up ahead down the river? And the guy said, oh, you talk to a local. It's like Des Moines. And so they assumed this is either like a place name or, like,

And they were like, okay, we christened this Des Moines. It came out about five years ago. Linguists have determined it means those shit heads. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Anyway, go ahead. So this, this, so about five years ago, the Des Moines School District engaged a search firm.

They needed to find a new superintendent, and so they paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for this search firm to identify a group of candidates. So they identified five. It was whittled down to three. They interviewed the three finalists. They chose this guy as the superintendent. What turned out that he didn't have a Ph.D. in education. made up and um it turned out he wasn't even an american citizen he was here illegally and apparently a year ago ice was on him and they realized this guy's a fraud and so they went and interviewed him so he knew that this was coming what he knew he was going to be scooped up but he never said anything to anybody and so last week sure enough why didn't he go to

ground well let's see this he he tried too late so when they went to get him last week he jumped in his car and took off right then jumped out of the car with a gun and ran finally threw the gun away and ice gun him what the fuck that's that's what i said but what's awesome was this guy thinking so now the latest development is day before yesterday the Des Moines School District sued the search company and the search company issued a statement that well you know in the interview process they should have weeded him out if he wasn't you know answering the questions properly and they were like no we paid you to weed him out you didn't even bother to check his academic credentials, let alone whether or not he was even an American. Yeah, I was going to say,

doesn't he have to fill out an I-9 form to become an employee? Yes, and it was all fake. And it didn't come. And yeah, when you do that, you can submit that to what used to be the INS and, you know, and like they come back. There's e-verify, right? That's what it's called. Yes, e-verified. That's right. So they didn't e-verify, clearly. No. No. They probably said they did. Anyway, I've been so interested in this because it's so nuts and the system fell apart at every step of the way and it resulted. I mean, nobody got hurt or anything, but there's a lot of, there's got to be a lot of embarrassment and this is going to cost this search firm a lot of money. Was he, well, I should hope so. You know, I guess it all goes to

show when you outsource your your your shit out to some company rather than doing your own HR hiring what kind of thing can happen is there any word John on like whether he was a good superintendent was he good at his job by all accounts he was terrific everything was moving smoothly oh my God it's crazy John we have an ad which I'm going to read here Hey, football fanatics, are you ready for some primetime NFL action? Tune into Westwood One for all the gridiron glory you crave. From jaw-dropping touchdowns to game-changing plays, don't miss a moment of the excitement.

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here so let's keep the the party going um but so all right well you know this is definitely going to be this would have been a lifetime cable for women you know afternoon movie exactly the wacky superintendent yeah yeah yeah oh yeah totally like i wonder if he lied to his family too right like oh my god it's uh you know it's i mean Honestly, I feel terrible for him. It must have just been the stress of knowing that you've built this house of cards that can come crumbling down any time. At any moment.

At any moment. Horrible. Yeah. And, you know, it also kind of like makes us think about, you know, immigration policy, right? It's like sort of like, look, the guy did a good job as superintendent. He was fine, you know? He was an upstanding citizen except for the whole, like, running away. and carrying a gun with the possible, obviously crossed his mind to using it against law enforcement,

not good. You know, but overall, maybe, you know, it should make some people think maybe we shouldn't have this level of enforcement. Anyway, I don't know. In Wilcox, hi, Ann. Anne is saying the Des Moines superintendent was a beloved high school principal in D.C. What? I did not realize that.

Oh. He didn't just come out of the woodwork. He had experience, which also would be. means that the D.C. school board never bothered to check the guy's Bonafides. Well, I think it probably starts there, right? Because I think once you've been a principal in D.C., nobody's thinking, like, let's see if he's an illegal immigrant. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Oh, my God. That's awesome. Well, I kind of like admire the guy. But while we're talking about

immigration stuff, John, a judge has, so there's been all these protests. It's really kind of interesting. So in the run-up to the rise to Hitler's seizure of power in 1933, the Nazis would go out into the streets of Berlin and other German cities and basically cause chaos. Like they'd start street riots. They'd beat up socialists and Jewish people and other people, shopkeepers that they didn't like. And they caused a general atmosphere of unease and criminality.

And then Hitler ran for Chancellor partly on the grounds of, if you elect me, I can bring law and order to Germany. And of course, he could because he was the cause of the disorder. And I'm reminded of that because of, you know, basically we're being told that Portland and Chicago and these other cities are quote unquote hellscapes. If you watch, if you look at my Twitter feed, it's all full of right wingers saying, like, thank God we're going to save Chicago. We're going to save Portland.

You know, President Trump is going to save them from the war. from the evil that's going on there. But it's all self-fulfilling, right? Because then meanwhile, lefties who actually haven't been doing shit because lefties never do shit in these cities, they're like, now they're pissed, and they go to, like, the ICE office in Portland and protest. So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's kind of the opposite of the 1933 thing. It's like, oh, you know, we're going to talk up the disorder, which will actually cause the disorder, which we will then claim we're ending, right, basically. It's kind of clever. It's weird that it works in an era of super hypercommunications. But anyway, the judge is banning Homeland Security agents from going after journalists or protesters with riot weapons at ICE sites.

They say, first, you have to warn someone that you're interested in stopping twice with your voice, and you have to have visible IDs. and if you if those two warnings like for example to disperse or whatever are ignored then you can step in and use but basically the judge has sided with the journalists who say that the journalists are being cited dhs says like well you know we try to protect journalists but you know it's a dangerous job and you never know they're antifa yeah they're antifa or is it the portland p.D who are antifa if you believe Nick what's his name from Fox

Sorder Right right right right right I mean literally And that's that's also what's so perverse and twisted about it It's like a right wing fever dream Like you know Antifa The Portland police arrested me Because you know they're Antifa Now the Portland police arrested you

Because they're fa Okay that's why It's the opposite Because they're like they don't care that you're journalist. They don't care that you're a Fox journalist. You know, that's what happened here. That is it. That is it. Any questions we have to get to here? Let's see. Chicago residents have been posting videos of them chasing ICE out of their city. And to be honest, it's rather hilarious. I've seen some of these. I also like that in Chicago, there's that, there's been viral videos like

that guy who trolled ICE, who basically was on his bike. and he's like insulting them and giving them the finger which by the way is your first in the United States right you can that is constitutionally protected free speech it's annoying to me when cops say like oh you know you're not allowed to be disrespectful yes you are you are you can say fuck you suck my dick I hate you that's all legal and like the thing is so anyway this guy did that and and then these fat ice ice ice guys are like chasing him. And he's like, whoo, he bops off. And he's like, all like in, you're like slaloming down the street in Chicago as these guys. I mean, they look ridiculous. Yeah, they do. Yes.

It's ridiculous. It's like keystone cops. All right. Well, shall we get to the main event here? I think we should. Yeah, I think we probably should. So, John, I have thoughts. I know that will surprise you. So first of all, I was thinking the first and foremost, so the peace deal is, first of all, highly remarkable. I'm very happy to see it going. I mean, you know, let's hope it lasts. Okay, first of all, for years, through Democratic and Republican presidencies alike, John, you and I have been told that no one can control Israel, that Israel is a force of nature upon itself, that Congress can't take away their money. because it's guaranteed by law. The power of A-PAC is too strong to be overcome.

And anyway, the Israelis wouldn't listen to us if we pressured them because they're maniacs, right? And now it turns out, well, you apparently you can pressure Israel. Yeah, and Donald Trump... Certainly you can. It's all about will. It's about whether you want to or not. And Donald Trump got so pissed off about the strike against Qatar

that he's just like basically who knows what he said behind the scenes but I think it went somewhere along to lines like this cut the shit or I'm cutting you off I think it was that simple we we called it Ted we did call it either gutters a major not major non-NATO ally or it's not

it's either going to host the world's largest Air Force base or it's not yep yep and the thing is and the fact that right now this look this is a deal. We should talk about the who's going to govern Gaza, you know, aspect of this. But basically, like, currently, right, Israel has lost. Israel has to withdraw. They're going to, they're going to have to send back, you know, they're going to get back their hostages,

which is good for everybody. They're going to get back, you know, they're going to have to give back hostages, including prisoners who've been convicted of crimes, back to the Palestinians. But the war is over, basically. That's it. Like, they have to stop. And so really, I mean, it shows that, like, if don't, if, you know, when Joe Biden and then Kamala Harris sort of said there's nothing we can do, that was a lie. And we knew it was a lie. And those of us who said it was a lie were, like, repeatedly ridiculed and shouted out.

That's right. That's right. Beating about the face and head, I like to say. Yeah. That's what happened. And I mean, and so, and the other thing, John, is like we've also been told now by the Israelis and their Zionist apologists here in the States that they've been allowing, you know, there's no aid blockade, you know, Hamas has been stealing the aid, you know, the, they've been allowing it all in. Well, it's part of the deal. The, oh, we were also told the UN can't be trusted. UN is infested with Hamas. Right, right, right. And they had to destroy UNRWA because it was a Hamas front organization.

So UN and the UN are now preparing to flood the zone. So obviously, UNRWA is trustworthy. And obviously, and John, your signal just dropped. your video just dropped. I don't know if you can hear me. Can you hear me? Yeah, there you are. Okay.

So, Unra is trustworthy. The UN has the aid ready to go in. Yeah. And the Israelis were blocking it. I mean, this is now a, this is now on the record. There's no denying it ever. But nobody's supposed to remember that stuff about Unruh. Right?

It was expedient in the moment, but we're not supposed to bring that up. it's no longer relevant right because the Israelis control the narrative and I guess do you think I think most people unlike us will have forgotten about the whole UNRWA bullshit

absolutely absolutely yes I mean there are people who are currently living in Gaza who were fired from UNR over this bullshit yes yes yes I wonder if they get their jobs back I bet they do

John Let's talk about who's going to rule Gaza. So basically, Israel's big thing is it will not be Hamas. John, it will be Hamas. I mean, it will be Hamas. And it has to be, right? I mean, this is kind of like, who else is there? This reminds me of Afghanistan when we had the, when the United States sponsored the

lawyer Jerga, right? And the, and basically it was like, all parties are welcome to come, except the, exiled king in Italy. We'd rather not have him around because he actually could, might win this thing. I remember him. And yeah, he was old as shit. Yeah, and 90-something years old. Yeah, he would have been like the Joe Biden of Afghanistan. And then there was, and also the Taliban who represented maybe 80% of Afghan politics at minimum, right? So here's the thing, right? Hamas represents at least 80% of Gaza and politics, of legit politics. There's no. There's no. ever been any opposition party allowed to exist. It's like the Ba Party. They had a complete

monopoly on political power and jobs in Iraq, right? So who the fuck else is there? I mean, Palestinian technocrats, right? I mean, quit smoking hash. Yeah. What the fuck are you guys talking about? I mean, do you have any, I mean, they are joking, right? They just don't know. Are they just floundering? Are they flailing? Is that all it is. They're floundering. You know, it's funny people like to think that they're so perfectly in charge and then they realize that they've been overtaken by events and they're actually not really in charge i like that man what a crazy world that is right now it is i mean it is crazy um also i'd like to also say that um and i this is like i i come to praise donald trump again um it's just you know

Well, just think about this accomplishment. Okay, I know the Nobel went the way it went. But let's be serious here. I mean, and I didn't vote for this man. You know, I voted for Dr. Jill Stein. But it's October 10th. He took office January 20th. He came in and ended the Gaza war within less than nine months, right? I mean, so, you know, if you, if you, I mean, think about Richard Nixon. He's supposedly had a secret plan to end the Vietnam War, which he never got around to doing, really. And as history has shown, he really didn't have a secret plan. It was bullshit. Yeah. So now, but Donald Trump apparently, I don't know if, I don't think he had any plan, but he was just like wanted to end it. And now it's over. Now again, Joe Biden and the Democrats, they sat on this shit and let it happen for over a year.

You know, and it's, I would argue that like, if that had, if that war had ended before election day, Kamala Harris would be president today. I agree with you. Yeah. So, so, and I don't think the Democrats have learned their, their, their lesson here, you know. Yeah. No, see, this is the problem with the Democrats, Ted, is that they never learn their lesson. Today, for example, not, I'm not changing the subject.

I'm just using this as an analogy. There was a piece in the Washington Post about John Thune, the Senate Majority Leader, the Republican from South Dakota. What's his strategy for dealing with the Democrats on the government shutdown? His strategy is to just wait until the Democrats fold. And he said, it's because they always do fold. Well, that's reasonable. Yeah.

But I don't think this time. You don't think so. I think they will. It'll take a while. Not on the budget. but I'm just saying on these other issues. There's no strategy. There's no deep thinking that goes into democratic policies.

That's true. You know? No. I said this on the show that I used to have with Michelle. When your campaign is vote for me because I'm not the other guy, that's not a winning strategy. It almost never works. It did work for Biden in 2020, but that was because of a unique set of circumstances.

And I think, look, I think that went that way because Trump acted like a maniac over COVID. If it wasn't for that, to this day, I will never understand why he ran away from his own vaccine. I have to agree. The vaccine was a major political triumph. It was. And then like, and then he thought, I mean, I know he was so deeply committed to his base strategy. But I think in that, that was a fuck up. Yeah.

What was it called Operation? Warps speed. So, John, let's talk about this guarantee. I mean, so Trump issued a guarantee. Hamas, basically, the holdup is being reported today was the Hamas was kind of like, there's one thing we really got to know. How do we know that the Israelis aren't going to break the ceasefire like they always do? How do we know that they're not going to attack us again?

And Trump said, I will personally guarantee that I will not allow the Israelis to do that. Yeah. Those are. What's the mechanism there? Let's say, I mean, would that mean that the United States would be militarily obligated to respond and attack Israel? Or just to make a phone call and to say, cut the shit or cut them off financially? I mean, what does that look like? That's the more likely scenario.

Or if you really want to get tough. I mean, the last time we had an American president really get tough with Israel. It was George H.W. Bush, where he suspended housing loan guarantees. And it nearly brought down the Israeli government. Wow. Yeah, because we're never tough with the Israelis. Never. No.

No. But we keep being, we keep saying, what can we do? Yeah. You know what we are like, we're like a bat. You know, like you go to the restaurant and there's the terrible parent who the kids running around. raising hell, making life miserable for all the other diners. And there's like, I hate to say this. It's usually the mom.

And the mom has a very soft voice. And she's like sitting in her chair instead of getting up to get her kid. She's like, honey, don't do that to the nice man over there. Just come back. That's what we're like with Israel. We're like, stop with the, please, with the Palestinians. Please be a little gentler with them. Don't touch them.

Don't mess up their meal. Don't make them not eat. it's like that's it that's it and Donald Trump is finally one for the first time right like he said since George H.W. Bush for the first time he's like cut the shit and they're like yeah that's right that's right so who knows you know Donald Trump has surprised people before and maybe he will be tougher than any of us have have given him credit I think he will be because it's gone great for him. You know what I mean?

Like he just did that and like everyone loves him. Yeah. You know, you've got Ted Rawl saying nice things about you. You know, it's like that's unusual. Yes. And I'm not alone here. So I think he's going to be, I think he'll, there will be more. John, the, we talked about this at the top of the show.

The reporters are going to start going in. Everyone's going to see how fucking horrible. Gaza, the state of Gaza is, there's not going to be any... Talk about a hellscape. That's the hellscape. There's not going to be... There's so many implications here. I don't even want to rank them.

Israel's reputation is going to be even sunk deeper than it is now. And there's going to be so... And I think there's not going to be any appetite for exploiting them, like, you know, Trump Gaza or whatever, you know, the Tony Blair plan. All that shits out the window. there's just going to be a level of international sympathy that's almost analogous to the sympathy that there was for Jews in 1945 after the Holocaust and those camps were liberated and people saw what they'd been through. There's going to be that level of empathy and sympathy and people are going to just want, they're going to demand, this is so ironic, they're going to demand that the Palestinians deserve their own state after what they've been through. I don't think there's any, I mean, what do you think?

No, I agree. And isn't that what U.S. policy says the end game is anyway? I mean, since 1948, Harry Truman said an independent Israel and eventually an independent Palestine. Okay, well, that was 1948. And that's reiterated every few years, you know, in talks. Okay, it's time for an independent Palestine. Well, and here's the thing that's interesting, right?

Like, okay, the Kurds have been waiting longer than the Palestinians. They have a dependent state. But the Kurds kind of don't need it the way that the Palestinians need it. That's right. The Palestinians, this war, the Gaza war, proves that the Palestinians need a state to be protected from the Israelis, or they're all going to be killed. The Kurds don't have that problem. Yeah, you know, some of them, the Turks have killed some of them.

But it's not the same thing. It's not on the same scale. So I think that's why the world is going to be like, this is like, There's a difference between like want, deserve, and need. Yes. That's right. That's a good point. So, all right.

I'm not at a time. I think we are out of time. Anything else we want to talk about here? No, I'm glad everybody had a chance to join us. Me too. Thanks everybody for joining us. Have a great weekend. We are going to be back, like I said, Tuesday after the federal holiday.

We always take federal holidays off here. even though neither was just a federal worker, but whatever. I guess if something really big happened, we could always do an emergency show. And we would do that, I think. But anyway, we're here Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. Eastern time. John, you're headed back to the land of the Tarantula and the mosquito. Are you bringing any special gear?

Any sprays or anything, potions to make them go away? I'm buying some spray before I get on the plate. Don't get aerosols. They won't let you on. Yeah. I got to get the cream. Yeah, yeah. You need super, super toxic.

Oh, it's bad, man. Just thank God I'm really not going on wood. I don't have Zika virus. Yeah, well, there's also still, that doesn't exist out in Baja, does it? I have no idea. I know those mosquitoes could pick me up and fly me away. Producer Robbie West is chiming in on the chat that part three of John. to interview with me is going to drop on Rumble Premium later today.

So for those of you who are on Rumble Premium, part three out of four is now available. All right, guys, thank you, everyone, and we will see you on Tuesday. Hi, everybody. John, Fly Safe. Thank you. Thank you.