DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Trump Lied to Qatar”

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Start your week with DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou, where political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, where we catch you up on the news of the weekend and prepare you for the week ahead and what it all means.Bullet Points for Each TopicIsrael Lied to Qatar: Israel’s strike on Hamas leaders in Qatar, approved by Netanyahu, kills five Hamas members and one Qatari officer. New reports claim Trump was in fact informed beforehand—exposing his statements that he learned after the bomb blasts in Doha began and immediately notified his ally, as lies. Israel is covering up for The Donald. But who will ever believe him again?If a Tree Burns in the Woods, Will the EPA Report It?: Trump already gutted the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Now he seems to be trying to stop everyone from getting access to reliable information about the environment. His EPA will stop thousands of coal plants, oil refineries, and steel mills from reporting greenhouse gas emissions, a practice in place since 2010. This undermines climate policy by hiding emission sources, while the EPA claims it saves $2.4 billion in compliance costs. The move follows Trump’s efforts to erase climate change references and cut related funding.If a Company’s Q3 Blows, Will Stock Analysts Ever Know?: Trump suggests public companies reduce financial reports from four to two annually, aiming to save costs and shift focus to business operations. Critics warn this reduces transparency for investors and regulators, potentially hiding financial crimes. The SEC must approve the change.Right-Wing Cancel Culture: The assassination of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University leads to firings of employees, including a sports reporter and a Secret Service agent, for public comments. Private employers cite reputational harm, with legal experts noting limited First Amendment protections. Should your boss be allowed to can you for what you say away from work?Poland Want Ukraine No-Fly Zone: Poland’s foreign minister, after Russian drones entered Polish airspace last week, proposes a NATO no-fly zone over Ukraine to protect against debris and drones. The idea, floated to German media, would need NATO approval and revisits no-fly zones of the past. Will it escalate tensions with Russia.

Good afternoon. It's my favorite time of the day because it's deprogram with Ted Roll and John Kiriaku, and I get to be Ted Raul and I get to hang out with John Kyriaku. It's always my pleasure. In fact, people probably don't know. We're, well, they probably assume we're friends. And we chat over the course of the day, like all the time. And yeah, so it's always fun to hang out with Ted, even though he's in New York and I'm in Washington, I consider that to be hanging out. totally and yeah they're not that far and uh we we do get into uh we get down the northeast corridor every now and then um we'll let's let's talk about what we're going to be talking about plus which will be uh of course obviously the story of the aftermath of israel's attack on cutter it turns out that uh trump lied you called this john you said that he lied uh he did in fact no in advance he had to have no in advance so we'll get into that Trump's got a war on statistics.

He doesn't like numbers. First, he went to war with the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Now he's telling the EPA to stop doing reporting. And now he's telling companies they don't have to do their Q2 or their Q4 or their Q1 or their Q3. Only have to do two out of four. No more quarterlies. Semesters only. Could annual reports be far behind?

We'll be talking about right-wing cancel culture as in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk killing. Poland wants a no-fly zone over the screen that brings back memories. Bad ones. Attack on Venezuela, well, more accurately, on international waters, killing three Venezuelan presumably men, I'm guessing here. But who knows, because we never get any details. John, before we get to the show, we have an ad, and we have some Robbie business, and I want to just do a shout out to my dad.

He turns 97 tomorrow. Wow, God bless him, 97. Birthday to Fred Rawl Jr. Happy birthday. So, all right, let's get into it. I'm going to pop in Robbie here. Robbie, go ahead and do the ad, and then you can remind everyone about Rumble,

and then we'll get to the news. Okay, I'm getting reports of the YouTube stream just froze. So if it did, y'all try refreshing. What's what happens? It's working on my end, so I don't know. So, but while you do that, I'll go ahead and find us an ad. Now I'll go ahead and pop this up and we will kind of go from there. Just one second here, gentlemen.

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Real voices deserve a real home. And actually, I picked the longest ad with the southern drawl. So you all Welcome for that. Robbie, YouTube feed is down. Should I add it to the stream yard while you talk to people about Rumble? Let me see if I can re-pag it here. Okay.

Yeah, so I'm trying to get the, I guess go ahead and add it to your stream yard because it's working here or Rumble for me. Okay, I was going to say, you should, you're be encouraging people to go over to Rumble, but they're only watching us on Rumble. Yeah, that's not doing it's a whole lot of good then. Not a lot. Okay, why don't you guys talk about something and let me. Yeah, we can 100% talk about something. Okay. Yeah, we can talk about anything.

Yes, we can. Hey, it's your show. That is true. That is true. Well, you know what? I want to plug a show I went on the other day. Nima al-Hurshed. He is an Iranian who is based in Venezuela.

And, you know, I talk about Iran a lot on my other podcast. And I've been complaining. how come nema hasn't had me on like what's nema up to that i can't be on his show i was on his show the other day great guy deep questions 57 000 views so far but one of the things that came out of that conversation is i mentioned to him that i had spoken to treata parcy who's one of the leading scholars on iran and and these iran thinkers professors analysts all seem to be in in agreement that Israel is going to attack Iran again before the 1st of December. And they're going to do it, they believe, for a couple of reasons.

One, because they know they'll get away with it with Trump. And two, that they're panicked for two reasons. Number one, that they didn't get the Iranian nuclear program. They dented it a little bit, maybe scuffed it up, but they didn't destroy it. And the other reason is that they're almost out of weapons, almost out of rockets and missiles. And so from now until December the first, that will give them enough time to replenish their supply, thanks to the U.S. government, and they'll be ready to fight another fight, whereas the Iranians haven't been able to replenish their supply of drones and rockets that they were using against the Israelis. very very dangerous situation nobody's talking about it in the media i mean you search for iran news you get nothing there's nothing happening so anyway i'm going to put it out there is something that

i'm worried about and i'm glad that we talked about gutter the other day and we're going to talk about cutter again today and we can talk about it now john because uh we have youtube back up oh very good youtube's back on a new stream so unfortunately i had to create a new stream since there was no other way to fix it yeah no that was weird Because on my end, I've actually got a notification saying that stream terminated by YouTube. Oh, interesting. Okay. I wonder why?

I don't know. Maybe I don't like us plugging the show over here on Rumble. But you know what? We're going to play a Rumble anyway because, well, frankly, Rumble pays the bills. And now that we are... I would be more likely to think it had something to do with Israel. But, you know, I'm a little paranoid that way. You know, I'd like to talk about that, too, actually, Ted.

A lot of my friends, most of my friends, I'll say, are blaming Israel for Charlie Kirk's assassination. And when I object, they're like, you're not watching the right news sources. You need to see so-and-so's video. Such and such a person had it all laid out and all the different moving parts and working parts of this. Am I an idiot? Am I missing something? Or is just the internet gone wild? Agile's favorite rat winger, I think that what this is, this is the problem with always

listen to echo chambers and confirmation bias. If Israel is the boogeyman, then Israel has to be responsible for every bad thing that happens. Yeah. So I think that's what this is. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's kind of like it. That's sort of conspiracy theories are usually often wrong, but they reflect something that is very true, which is distrust in an institution. And people really think, I mean, look, it's like this. The Israelis are nefarious and conniving and evil. And so, you know, when something bad happens, it's natural when you think that there's this malevolent force out there to think that they're behind everything that's evil and wrong in the world. But they're not.

It's a big world and there's a lot of evil to go around and they're not responsible for it all. And this has nothing to do with Israel. I mean, this was what it looks like. But, I mean, we still don't know this guy's politics. I don't know if it matters, but we don't really know his politics. No. And I get to ask, Robbie, first of all, let me interrupt myself and say, Adam Fighter, John, can you kindly repeat what you were warning about Iran?

Yes, of course. I'll do that in a second. But I want to ask Robbie, one of the comments here that Nick Fuentes called Charlie Kirk, a fake Christian, a sellout, anti-white. I heard some of that in the two or three weeks prior. to the attack. What do people on the right say about that? Is that just a tempest in a teapot or did that have legs?

It really kind of depends on who it is just to listen to. So if you're a real Christian like me, and I don't think that Nick Fuentes is a Christian for several reasons, I think that what he is, I think he is a grifter. I think that he peddles rage and anger. Right. Personally, I think the dude is controlled opposition. So if there was an Israel angle, I think that he's actually funded by them just to try and make the right look stupid. Yeah.

I mean, I could be wrong. I have no proof about that. But, I mean, you know the fruits by what they say. So if you are Nick Fuentes and you're constantly going after the biggest anti-Israel conservatives that are out there, Tucker Carlson. Yeah. Candice Owens. Dave Smith. And then you try and paint yourself as a victim when they say that you're an idiot.

And where have you been for the last eight years? Then that says a whole lot about you as a person. And then the fact that Flintess came out on the day after, no, Kirk's assassination. And then he just, he just tries to extend this olive branch. Yeah. Yeah, like I take it back. Yeah, no, to answer your question in a convoluted way, I don't think it really matters.

The Groyper's, they're loud, they're obnoxious, but they don't control anything. They don't control the discourse on my end, on my end of the aisle. Just saying stuff for anger is one thing, but what is your solution? He never offers one. And so for me, that kind of makes me think that he's just a complete douchebag who just is just selling rage. All right, Robbie, I'm putting you back in the back, back in the background. Do you want me to sell Rumble first? Yeah, oh yeah, go ahead and sell Rumble and then we'll let you go.

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for rumble supporting them they'd be able to do this show so y'all coming over yeah thank you I appreciate y'all, and y'all put me back in the box now. I'm done below it, back into your box. So real quick, I should repeat what I said, that Nima al-Hurishid and Trita Parsi and all the Iranian bloggers and vloggers who are out there believe that another Israeli attack is coming before the 1st of December. I mean, seriously, it's almost universal in that community. And the reason that it's almost universal is that the United States is replenishing the Israeli supply of rockets and missiles, and the Israelis want to hit Iran before Iran can replenish its own supply. And another thing, too, I was talking to Miko Pellid the other day. Miko, of course, being Israeli-American, but one of the loudest voices out there for Palestinian human rights.

Miko said that the Israeli government's goal, of course, is to decapitate the Iranian government and just to create chaos. They're not looking for reformists or anything like that. They just want to incite chaos and societal collapse in Iran so that the Iranians will have their attention diverted, they'll be looking inward, and then Israel can go finish up this murderous policy in Gaza. So I got a quote from this Axios piece, which is kind of a blockbuster, or it should be, but maybe it won't be, but Netanyahu, I'm quoting from the piece, informed Trump

Tuesday morning of the attack that Israel planned to attack Hamas and Qatar shortly before the strike took place. Now, the White House class says that wasn't true, that they were only told when the missiles were already in the air, they called right away, and by the time they the call went through and the right people got on the phone. The bombs were already falling. So they claimed that they rushed to join the Qatari's, but that wasn't true at all. Three Israeli officials told Axios that Bibi called the Donald about the strike at 8 o'clock in the morning, D.C. time. The explosion started 51 minutes later at 8.51 a.m. Quote, Trump knew about the strike before the missiles were launched. First, there was a discussion on the

political level between Netanyahu and Trump. And afterwards, through military channels, Trump didn't say no, a senior Israeli official claimed. A second senior Israeli official said the U.S. was notified well in advance on a political level. If Trump had wanted to stop it, he could have. In practice, he didn't. And so basically, the Israelis backed up the White House a version of events, and why? Well, on our time, on our side, the official said it was decided to help them, the U.S., with that for the sake of the U.S.-Israeli relationship. The Americans are putting on a show.

We updated them about the attack. What they say publicly should be taken with a grain of salt someone else. Another Israeli said, it isn't the first time that the Trump administration made things up about their conversations with Israel due to political considerations. Then the Trump administration said, these anonymous Israeli sources making false accusations against the president of the United States and his administration should smarten up.

Wow, wow, wow. You know, and then friends asked me, why are you always so pessimistic all the time? I mean, there it is right there. You know, Donald Trump was, was complaining just recently that the American people think that he can do more than what he is actually constitutionally and legally able to do, which is funny because he does most of that stuff anyway and then just allows the other side to sue him and then has the court

force him back. But the truth is, in this case, he could have done something. He should have done something. We had a question in the chat, Ted, that I think is important. Do we think that Israel would have attacked these Hamas leaders if the talks had been in Cairo or in Amman? I would think Cairo absolutely not. No. I don't think Amman either. I would say probably not in Amman,

not because there's any love between the Israelis and the Jordanians, but because the United States has such a massive presence there. Well, doesn't Jordanian intelligence and the CIA have a close relationship, too? Like this. Very, very, very close. It would be a real dis. Big time. So, yeah.

So, yeah, I would think it would just be like, you know, the Jordanians, we don't think about them much in the U.S. news, but they're very important to the U.S. I think it's just, no, I don't think they would have. But, I mean, the Israelis are capable of anything. They, look, they obviously calculated that they could get away with this. And they were right. Now, if you're the cutteries, you know you've been fucking rolled and played and insulted. Yes. And bombed, not the least of which. And one of your citizens died for no reason.

And your reputation as a safe zone to have talks is kind of seriously compromised. What do you do about it? Do you tell you, I mean, you can't really tell the Americans get the fuck out of your base. I mean, they need the money. Well, the Filipinos did. Remember back in the, what was it, the early 90s, the late 80s, the early 90s, the Filipinos said, look, we want you out. Just get out.

And Subic Bay, it was Subic Bay, and I forget the name of the Air Force Base now. But they were our two biggest bases in the world. And so the Filipinos had a referendum. them. They said, we want the Americans out. The Americans left. The economy went straight down the shitter. And then Corazon Aquino, who was the president at the time, came back and addressed Congress and said, please come back. And we're like, no, it cost us a billion dollars to pull out. We're not going to go back now. And the funny thing is it put like thousands of prostitutes out of business. It really did. It collapsed the economy.

That's the slut-based economy. Exactly. Exactly. That's hilarious. But you know what? If I were Donald Trump, I'd be worried now that I've that I've disrespected the gutteries. And the Kuwaitis, the Bahrainis, the Saudis, the Emirates, the Omanis are all looking at this and saying, hey, we thought we were close friends with the Americans. They screwed the gutteries.

They humiliated them by allowing the Israelis. to bomb. We all thought we were the best friends of the Americans. Now it's kind of clear who the best friend of the Americans is. And it isn't us. Well, I mean, so here's the thing, right? If you're Donald Trump, you're transactional. I mean, surely there's an amount of cash that can make the cutteries shut the fuck up and not care about the loss of their citizen or their dignity. Or is there? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, thank you. Thank you to our Rumble viewers. you put us right back on the Rumble main page. That's a third time.

That's awesome. Thank you very much for that. We're going to get some numbers. We're going to kill it today. Wow. Thank you, guys. Even though the feed dropped on YouTube. So at least we have Rumble rocking it.

That's awesome. So, all right. So, yeah, I mean, do you think that there's anything that U.S. can do for the cutteries to make them calm down? Yeah. Say that, listen, first, First of all, Donald Trump's going to have to lie and say, no, the Israeli account, the Axios account, they're incorrect. I did not have enough. Now, I'm not slut shame in anyone.

But anyway, I was. Oh, okay. But I was just joking, but yes, okay. It's a fair point. That say, look, the Israelis didn't give me enough warning time so that I could warn the gutteries. But then you have to be serious and you have to make a statement guaranteeing the security. security and sovereignty of gutter, just like you can never happen again, never again. This did real damage to American foreign relations. Real damage. Because, you know, every Arab country

is saying, geez, oh man, they told the gutters, gutter used to go screw themselves. What about us? They're going to tell us the same thing. Trump got the call 51 minutes before. Oh, John, what happened? What did, when Bibi said, like, you know, Donald, we're doing it. Why? didn't Donald say the fuck you are? Why didn't he tell? Why didn't he say, why didn't he say, why didn't he? Yeah, he could have. Why didn't he? I honestly, you know, you know, I'm applying for pardon and I'm very, I'm always very reluctant and reticent to, to, uh, to complain about Donald Trump, but let's, let's call his bait to spade here. Um, he's, he's, he's somehow fallen under the spell of BB Netanyahu. And while other presidents have held Netanyahu off for the most part, Trump has just caved. And I don't

understand it. I mean, Jared Kushner's not in the White House anymore. Ivanka's not in the White House anymore. Where's this coming from? Is it from Steve Miller? Is it from evangelicals like Heggseth, Pete Heggseth, the Secretary of Defense? Or is Donald Trump really a true believer in Zionism? I don't know. question for john on telegram okay what is the i don't know what is the oh on telegram i said i'll post it up okay john you uh last week you cautioned against self-incrimination for the shooter and law enforcement can you clear the air there and share your position on radicalized demonstrations oh i don't remember i don't understand the question to be honest thanks lulu

yeah listen i have no love of the shooter the accused shooter none none whatsoever i've actually lost sleep over the the brazen horrible graphic way that charlie kirk was uh was assassinated even my son called me he's like man i wish you had never sent me that video and i said i'm sorry i'm i've damaged myself even but um but listen the cops can be bad guys the fbi could be especially bad guys. And the Supreme Court has said, it has ruled, that law enforcement may lie to you. And they do. And they do all the time every day. So it's the prisoner's dilemma, right? Like, John, I remember in first grade, George L. Ernst Elementary School. I got stopped in the hall for running in the hall. They dragged me down to the principal's office. The principal said,

we know you were running in the hall. Just admit it. And I was like, If you knew I was running in the hall, you'd be punishing me already. You're asking me because you don't really know. And he's like, smart kid. Exactly. I mean, that's it, right? If they know, if they already know, they're not asking you any questions. The FBI is very skilled in this.

And most police departments are relatively skilled in this, but they will get you to incriminate yourself. And they'll do it very incrementally. little detail at a time until you've put a news around your own neck. When the FBI was interrogating me and I realized that they were

that they were going after me I invoked my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination I demanded to see my attorney. That's the only thing that kept me out of jail and then when I was walking out of the conference room, Peter Strach said to

one of the two guys interrogating me tell me he implicated himself. and one of the guys said he didn't really. It's the only thing that saved me. It was the difference between 23 months in prison and 35 years in prison. Don't talk to cops. I had 11 lawyers in my case. 11.

The Washington Post, I've said this a thousand times. The Washington Post called them legal titans and like a mantra that used to tell me to say every time I'm represented by counsel and I don't talk. to cops and just keep repeating it over and over. I'm represented by counsel and I don't talk to cops. And then when you finally say, I want to speak to my attorney right now, they have to stop questioning you. They have to. So that's to protect yourself. Ted, I don't think I understood the radicalization question. Yeah, I don't either. I mean, you know, there's been this, well, we should talk about the censorship that's been going on, people being fired from their

Jobs for saying mean things about Charlie Coat. Let's get into that. That's what we're talking about. I mean, J.D. Vance, there's a whole, there's a whole now meme on the right, that this is like he was, that the Tyler Robinson is this self-radical, radicalized by the radical left, George Soros, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so we need to talk about that. Before we do a quick thank you to Scott Britton, $20 donation.

Thank you very much. He says, we're the best. John, I've followed you for a while. You're a true patriot. Hope you get your pardon. Here, here. By the way, this is forwarded from a breaking news alert. Tyler Robinson apparently sent the following confession out to his discord buddies. Hey, guys, I have some bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. Thanks for all the good times and laughs. Wow, man. And I denied that Robinson mentioned this shooting at all on the app. Jessica Davidson, thank you so much for becoming a monthly supporter on Rumble. Oh, thank you, Jessica, Davidson. And yes, America's sweetheart of seven, what radical left.

Exactly. So, basically, there is no radical left. So we don't know anything about this shooter's politics, really. It seems like he consumed a lot of brain rot content on Discord and otherwise. He was a furry. I mean, how fucked up is that? That is fucked up. Several of our viewers are pointing out that discord has denied that.

Okay. Well, we'll see. And two toes, yes, indeed. This has nothing to do with the Charlie Kirk assassination. Just as a matter of principle, don't talk to the cops. They're evil. No, I mean, I like to say, I tell this to my son, especially if you're innocent, don't talk to the cops.

You can't explain your way out of it. It's their job to prove that you're wrong and you don't, or guilty. You don't give them any material at all. That's right. Tactical Femboy, the reason I say that there's no radical left is because by a radical left, I mean an organized political party or association that would be able to pull people together. For example, the old-fashioned Communist Party or the Socialist Party. We don't have anything like that.

We have tendencies. We have people like me who are on the radical left. I mean, I write books, but I can't create, I can't create a sustained protest movement. I can't get people, I can't get a thousand people to show up at Times Square every day for the next month. There's no one who can. I mean, that's what I mean. There's no radical left, really. No, there's no matter.

There's no radical left. Well, there is no Antifa either. No, I say that all the time. I say that all that there's no such thing as Antifa. I say that all the time. There is no such thing as Antifa. There's guys who show up sometimes wearing all black who like to break things. Yeah, that's it.

Hey, one other thing, too, Jay Rock, how long has John been a 9-11 truther? Thank you for bringing that up. May I take a minute, Ted? When did you stop beating your wife? I've never been a 9-11 truther, never, never, never, never, ever. I do not believe that Building 7 was controlled demolition. I don't believe that any of it was controlled demolition. I believe that Al-Qaeda did 9-11, period.

The plane that crashed in the Pentagon was a plane. It was not a missile. But I have a friend, Trevor Fitzgibben, who got himself in a lot of trouble a few years ago and has been trying to rebuild his life as a public relations person. I was very, very busy one day, two weeks ago. And Trevor texted me and said, hey, would you give a speech in Washington? And I said, oh, Trev, I'm so busy. I don't have the time to do it.

He says, I'll give you $500. I said, all right, all right. Just send me the details. So he says, be at such and such an address on such and such a date. We'll send you a check. I said, great. Then a friend of mine called me and said, are you out of your mind? I said, what?

You're speaking at the 9-11 Truth Conference? I'm like, oh, my God, I'm going to kill Trump. So I call him. I was like, what are you doing? You put me in the 9-11 truth event and he said, oh, well, you should have done your due diligence. So for days, I slaved over what I was going to say to the group because I don't believe in much of what they stand for. And I thought, no, you know what? I'm going to go up there. I'm going to take a swipe at the Saudis and I'm going to take a swipe at the Israelis and I'm going to say out loud, why haven't we investigated the role of the Saudis and the Israelis. The Saudis role in supporting the hijackers and the Israelis role in

not reporting what Mossad's sources were saying about threats to the United States. Because if the Israelis have infiltrated Hezbollah, they've infiltrated Hamas, they've infiltrated Iran, they infiltrated Syria, we're supposed to believe that they never ever heard anything about al-Qaeda over all those years when we then went to the Israelis and said please help us al Qaeda's going to attack us and they said no no we don't know anything so that's that was the speech that I gave Saudis and Israelis but yeah I'm not a 9-11 truth there's hello is asking you here we go off to the races don't you think it's odd that nobody was harmed in the Pentagon in September 11th that's not true though that's not true hundreds of people were harmed and a whole bunch were killed

including a former boss of mine, I went to his funeral. Ah, it was a fake corpse. He's still around. He's driving a taxi in Argentina next to Adolf Hitler. So, yeah, so let's talk about this. So basically, right before we went on the air, J.D. Vance filled in as the new Charlie Kirk's substitute on Charlie Kirk's podcast. and basically, like, really laid it on thick about how there's a vast left-wing conspiracy that somehow involves the Open Society Institute, George Soros,

and the Nation magazine of all things that is, and that he's saying all these foundations need to have their tax-exempt status revoked, and that basically they need to be censored and shut down and there was even the implication that maybe they should be there should be uh sanctions maybe prison for people who uh can be allegedly tied to not liking charlie kirk i mean dozens of people have lost their jobs over just saying charlie sir basically saying charlie kirk was an asshole on social media and then um you know their bosses fire them look i want to be really clear i've said this for years, and I say this about people who say mean things about me. It's like, no one should be fired for activity that they participate in politically that's not on the job. If you work

at a company and you're saying anti-Semitic, racist, insensitive bullshit, and like, yeah, they can fire you. If you're, like, you know, in the public eye and you do that, they can fire you. But if you go to say the Charlottesville Unite the Right Rally or you go to January 6th or you find the one Antifa March that's never happened and you show and you and you can be

and you are and you participate in you say things about Charlie Kirk or about Ted Rall or anyone that's mean or bad or cruel or insensitive. That's your fucking First Amendment right. Oh my God a guy a guy unsubscribed yesterday from my substack I put out the show

every day. And all he said was fucking racist as the reason. Usually it's like a billing failure or whatever. His reason was fucking racist. And I responded, what race am I supposed to have offended? And then he didn't answer. So yeah, there are going to be people out there all the time that are yelling because they don't agree with us. That doesn't mean that they should lose their jobs. No. Or we should lose ours. No. And I'm tired of it. I mean, and honestly, let me just say everybody, by the way, John, I got to say, man, the historical revisionism is insane. There's a desire to, like, there's been suggestions that Charlie Kirk's face should be added to Mount Rushmore. Someone said that he was, Trump said that he was a saint.

And it's like he wasn't a saint, okay? And it's, I mean, it's, and they're saying, and on Fox today, they said all the bullets are flying. in one direction from left to right. That's all how it's always been. Oh, that's ridiculous. I keep pointing to the Paul Pelosi attack. Yeah. And the Minnesota attack.

And the New Jersey court judge, the judge attack. Yeah, that's another one. But yes, right. But the Paul Pelosi attack, for days, Fox was saying that this was a fight between two gay lovers that got out of hand. and Pelosi's boyfriend was trying to bash him in the head with a ball peen hammer. No, it was an attack from a right-wing extremist, a Canadian one, no less. He broke through the door.

Exactly. Yeah, and terrorized this poor guy. They're both guilty. The both the left and the right, they're both guilty. Brian says you can be fired for any reason or no reason in most states. But I'm just saying that shouldn't be the case. You should be protected. Your political, look, what good, I mean, it's sophistry.

to say that, like, oh, you can say anything you want, but you have to pay the consequences. Well, then you don't have free speech, do you? I mean, free speech means that you, you know, you're not going to be deprived of a livelihood and be made homeless because you said something. I mean, and like, if that's a society we want to have, then let's not even pretend to say we have free speech. You know, we've got so many really great questions here. All right, let's work through it.

My God, what about school teachers who celebrated the attack? How many millions of dollars did it cost the government to transport Kirk and Air Force Trute, too? You know, I wondered if that was, if that was illegal. I don't know. I don't know if it's illegal. I mean, I think, I think the vice president has a lot of latitude as to where to go and stuff.

But totally, look, what about the school teachers who celebrated the attack? I would say that if they did that on the job to the kids. Yeah. I'd still, okay, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to free speech. I would say that calls for a warning. Like, I mean, a letter in your file. And if you're already on probation, maybe you should be fired. But, you know, I don't know.

Like, do you fire a teacher just because they fuck up one time? I don't really think so. You know, I'm one of these people who believes very, very strongly in second chances. Because I feel like culture, our culture, our society gave me a second chance. And God knows in Washington, Washington's the city of second chances or third chances even for crooked politicians and such. But yeah, I agree with you. By the way, this is true, what not a robot says is true. Freedom of speech under our system is protection from the government, not from private companies.

Good point. Which is useless because most of the time when you're censored, it's by a private company. So the First Amendment should be broadened, in my opinion. Yeah. Man, this is a tough one. It really is. I mean, I would never, I would never celebrate someone's death, anybody's death. No, and I didn't know. Well, I wouldn't go that far. I can think of lots of people whose deaths I would celebrate. Yeah. I guess I celebrated Saddam Hussein's. I worked against him for so many years. There's a certain publisher of the LA Times who I would chortle mightily if something bad were to happen to him. But, you know, I mean, but generally speaking,

but for someone like, look, here's a thing, John, I think about Charlie Kirk, right? And I, you know, like everybody, I've read, you know, in the last week, you know, more about what he had to say about this and that than I ever had before, right? And I, you know, hate a lot of it because they, especially because it's all the inflammatory shit

that's up there. And he was an inflammatory guy. Yeah. That said, let's be clear here. Charlie Kirk never killed a Palestinian baby. He never told someone with cancer that their procedure that was approved by their doctor wasn't being allowed by their insurance company. He never raised the rent on someone who couldn't afford it and forced them to live outside. Charlie Kirk just talked.

He bloviated. He talked for a living. And like you could say like, okay, you know, that had an influence. Hopefully talking has an influence politically. I hope. But the point is, look, if you really want to be angry at people who are making the world a terrible place, look at the policymakers. They're the ones who are responsible, really. It's not someone like Charlie Kirk.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. You know, another interesting thing to me is how many people our age and older had never heard of Charlie Kirk. This was very much a generational thing, too. Yeah, yeah. Very much a generational thing. I had to go back. I think I told you this, right?

It was kind of like, I remember, you know, it was kind of like, I was like, wait, who? And then it was like, oh, I remember Turning Point USA. And I had like lost track of him and it 10 years ago. And then it was like, oh, so this is what he's been up to all this time. I mean, you know, he was on this. It is very generationally siloed. I just want to thank Soden 2324 for the generous $20 donation. John, question for you.

Can the U.S.? How come I don't get to answer this question? Can the U.S. ever fix its foreign policy or get a. on the right track, or does that require a blessing from President? Go ahead, give it a try. Give it a shot. Well, first of all, I don't think, I think Israel is just one of many symptoms of how fucked up our foreign policy is. I think our foreign policy is based on disrupting other countries, specifically possibly emerging regional superpowers, and that's fucked up. It's also

neo-colonialist and imperialist, and it means exerting outward pressure at the expense of our own people instead of paying attention to what we need here domestically. Yeah. And I think we spend all of our time paranoid, thinking that we're always going to be attacked. And it's like, but it's crazy. John, it's like I read, my ex-wife told me it's something interesting. It turned out to be true. So like hippopotamas is, are incredibly aggressive and mean.

Yeah, they'll chase you. And they'll kill you. Yeah, they'll kill you at the drop of the hat. So the reason, so, but the thing is, most big animals are pretty chill, because they're big and, you know, they know they can fuck you up if they need to. So the hippo apparently grew from a paranoid little shrew and it evolved into this huge fucking beast in a relatively short time. So the theory is that mentally it has the mindset of a prey animal

that's constantly being attacked. So you have this big fucking armored tank asshole that thinks that everyone's trying to get it. We're the hippo, John. that's the problem. Like we think everyone's trying to get us. I'm like, no one's invaded this fucking country since 1815. Okay?

I mean, unless you count the Aleutian Islands in World War II. Right, right. And that lasted a couple of days. No, it's coming for us. We're safe and sound. Even 9-11.

Terrible, terrible thing. But seriously, even the Israelis would be like, come on, we had terror attacks, like going out of, we were going out of style. I mean,

it's like, you know, all things. things considered, we are very, very safe. That's all. That's my. My thoughts about American foreign policy, the two major parties used to agree on foreign policy. They would always say that we would leave our differences at the shore, right? And overseas, we spoke with one voice. That began to change in the 1990s. But we've gotten to the point where, yes, you're correct, that I think for the most part

it's APAC and Israel that control foreign policy and if they don't like it then we don't implement it and I think we're not going to get back to that kind of unified foreign policy until we no longer are in the hold the grasp of special interests yeah well that's not going to happen no it's not going to happen so Corral 23 thank you so much for becoming a monthly

supporter and Jones Jameson. I know nothing about your LA Times debacle besides what's written on Wikipedia. Where should I go to learn your side of that story? If you just Google, go to Raul.com and then just Ted Raul versus L.A. Times timeline. You'll find some of the stuff that I wrote at the time with a lot of links to the stories. Full disclosure, I have written a complete book about this debacle. And it's quite a humdinger. But I haven't published it yet. I'm not sure I will because it's, you know, it was a traumatic experience. And I kind of feel like, do I really want to spend like the next year on book tour

answering fucking questions about these assholes? I mean, I know I talk about it. But like it's it's like, you know, what I worried about when I sued the LA Times was that I would be stuck reliving all this crap over and over. You know what I mean. And, you know, and it's like I'm willing to talk. about it as it suits me. I don't know if I want to wallow. And I got a lot of it out, a lot of, a lot of it out of me just by, but to tell you the truth, John, I'm saving that fucking

manuscript for Gavin Newsom's campaign announcement. Then I'm dropping the bomb. Gavin, don't run. Don't run. You get to be governor. That's all you get to be. You don't get to be president. Ted, two things. We have an ad. And I real quickly, I want to answer Ryan Jude. Do I think Israel had prior knowledge of October 7th that let it happen, or at least let it be worse than it could have been. I do believe that. One million percent. Yeah, I do believe that. And, you know, the official response to that question, official from the Israelis, is that they believed that the attack would come in the West Bank. We know that that's not true. We know because there were settlers monitoring Hamas's communications, reporting back to the Ministry of National Security,

that an attack was coming and so i i believe that the israelis allowed it to happen so that they had a reason to go in and crack heads and now there's no stopping them no for sure um look it's of the new york times of all people uh reported extensively about how israel knew that october seventh was happening um a year ahead of time right hamas posted the training videos hilariously uh on online on social media because it's i mean you know about this better than i do john but isn't it like kind of um it's jihadi like tradition and it's considered expected that you're supposed to kind of warn the future victim of your attack that you're going to attack them right that's like it's a it's a muslim cultural thing yeah and you don't have to say i'm coming on this particular

day but you're kind of like giving fair notice like change your shit otherwise we're coming for you. Exactly right. Yeah. So, so that was kind of like, you know, so there were some And don't don't underestimate this, this Hannibal position, the directive that they have. They are now, the Israelis are perfectly happy to kill as many Israelis as they need to kill if it will help them kill Palestinians. That's true. It's sick. It is sick. Yeah, yeah. Al-Aqsa flood is right. I mean, they, they, but here's the thing, right. you can look it up again new york times right the fastest response time to any of the kibbutzim yes on october seven from the idea was eight and a half hours john you've been to israel i've

been to israel nothing takes eight and a half hours to get to anywhere you can be in the progress reaches from the golan heights to the Egyptian border it wouldn't take eight hours to drive there no so and that's the fast one one of the kibbutzum only got a response in 19 hours. Yeah. I mean, at a certain point, they're letting it happen, right? Oh, my God, Sebastian 575, rocking it on the D program show, just gifted five subscriptions to the show. Hey, thank you, Sebastian. We're going to have Sebastian on the show. I want to hear, I want to hear the minute by minute of what Sebastian can tell us from UVU. I'm just fascinated by it. Yeah, that would be cool. for sure um so yeah yeah exactly um it took them eight hours to get to the fight in a country

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That is just a way of dragging NATO into this conflict. Yeah, can you, John, can you elaborate a little bit on like what the perils of a no-fly zone are? Yeah. So the United States imposed several no-fly zones over Iraq over the years, the southern part of the country, the marshland where the Shia Muslims, where it was mostly Shia Muslim, and then in the Kurdish part of northern Iraq. And ostensibly, I mean, the reasoning was good. It was to protect the Shias and the Kurds from Saddam Hussein's incessant attacks against them. but it costs millions of dollars a day to keep all these, you know, F-16s, F-18s, F-35s, whatever, constantly patrolling the skies. We pay for that. The American taxpayers pay for that. But then what happens if you encounter, you know, a Russian drone?

Technically, it's an act of war. Yep. If the Russians violate Polish airspace. But what if you encounter a Russian aircraft over Ukraine? Do you shoot it down? Because then that's an act of war. And it would risk dragging NATO into an armed conflict with Russia, which, of course, is a nuclear power. So no, the no flies out, while the intent was for the right reasons in Iraq, it got us into a heap of trouble.

It took us years to get out of it. And I think it's a very bad idea. And interestingly, Ted, you notice that American political leaders aren't talking about a no-fly zone. No, it's dangerous. I mean, ironically, this goes back to Putin's concern about, you know, Article 5 and Ukraine joining NATO. It just sets up a trip. Man, Americans love to set.

It's like nobody has fucking read the guns of August. You know, it's like these intertangling alliances where you set up, like, you know, these dominoes that can just one tips and they all go. You end up with an, I mean, there's the, you know, you're just one archduke away from disaster. I don't know, it's like nobody reads history. That's a good point. Nobody reads history. And things feel tenuous enough right now that we could be one archduke away from a major war. Yeah. Your little dialectical boo, one of my favorite names here. Surprised at Kyriaku's anti-Nado involvement regarding Russia, such a principled man.

You know, I slave over this. I really do. I think that the Russians were absolutely wrong, 100% wrong to invade Ukraine. And I understand why they did it. I just say, you know, if we're supposed to be peace activists, then we should be peace activists and we should oppose wars everywhere. The United States was certainly wrong supporting the Maydan coup or implementing the Medan coup. But that doesn't make it right for the Russians to be killing Ukrainian civilians. And then, I don't know, NATO, I just have a bad taste in my mouth about NATO. I mean, what are the biggest militaries of NATO aside from the United States? The Germans and the Turks, like two of my least favorite people or governments, two of my

least favorite governments and what we're going to be relying on them. So I don't know. I just think it's a bad idea. And let's talk about numbers. So the Trump administration, Donald Trump, seems to have some sort of preternatural dislike of reporting. I wonder if it's a psychological thing because, you know, as a business person, every time he had to file taxes, I mean, that meant he had to pay money. And he just doesn't want to, he's just like, he's, he's, he's congenitally furtive and secretive and doesn't want anyone to know what he's up to, but he wants to know what everyone else is up to. So he's saying, look, uh, Bureau of Labor Statistics, you know, we're going to like, we're going to jigger the unemployment numbers, uh, the inflation

numbers. He's now he's saying that, uh, public companies should have to, shouldn't have to reduce issue quarterly financial reports. That's just nuts. The stock, I mean, I think the securities markets will go crazy, if that's the case. That's what they rely upon. Can you imagine how volatile that's going to make Wall Street? Yeah, I mean, the truth is they probably would want monthly reports if they could get them. It probably would. Real quickly, Spitas Papalazaru.

Freaking hilarious. A former Secretary of the Greek Secret Service once said there are two countries in the world where spying on citizens is hard. China, because no one talks, and Greece, because every. Everyone does. That's true, but I'll tell you who's worse than the Greeks is the Palestinians. I remember being told in very early in my operational training that you should always try to recruit a Palestinian because they would sell their mother for $500. And that was my experience. Every Palestinians for sale or for rent.

I agree with Mindy Greenwood, John. I mean, look, I agree with you. I'm against war. War is fucking stupid. I've seen war firsthand more than once. But if I were Vladimir Putin or if I was the president of Russia, President Ted Raul of Russia, I mean, what the fuck else were they supposed to do with NATO crawling up their ass? I get it.

I get it. But that doesn't mean that you can just send suicide drones into people's apartment buildings. I agree with that. Well, yeah, attacks on civilians are off limits. Not good. Um, yeah, against military targets, sure. Yeah. Uh, the annexation of Crimea was a brilliantly executed thing, though, the little green men.

It was brilliant. And they had no insignia on their uniforms, no names, no flags, no nothing. They didn't even talk to people. And they refused to talk to people. That's right. So, yeah, apparently they could tell because their license plate numbers started, had like Russian, the prefixes were Russian. Aye, aye, aye.

So people know, like here in New York, if you see a car where the license plates starts with T and ends with C, it's an Uber or a Lyft. Right, right, right. So you just know that. You know, here in Washington, the diplomatic license plates, they're red, white, and blue. Yeah, I always think for Ohio plates because we look like Ohio plates. They always start with a D for diplomat or a C for console. See, I didn't know that. Yeah, and then there are two letters.

after the D or the C and that code is what country they're from and the code doesn't it's not supposed to have anything to do with the country like Canada is not going to be DCA for example but anyway Russia is FC because when the codes

were assigned in the 1980s somebody at the State Department would thought it would be hilarious to say fucking commies so they so they assigned FC to the Soviet Union It's still unprofessional, though.

It's just awful, but that's why. I mean, I think it's also ridiculous how we renamed, like, you know, the streets where the Soviet, where the Russian embassies were, you know, after famous Soviet dissidents. Raul Wallenberg Place. Right. Like, come on. Like, we have nothing better to do with our time. It's gay.

Sorry. It's just gay. Wait, what do I have against the German government? They've been, they've been dicks to me over the years. And, like, investigating me for a hate crime because I called Mustafa Kamal Aditurk a genocidal maniac. It's like, okay, Germans, first of all, I don't give a shit what your opinion is. Secondly, I don't live in Germany. I live in the United States where it's perfectly legal.

What standing do they have to go after you? And they send me an email saying, we've finished our investigation and we've concluded you did not commit a hate crime. It's like, fuck you. I didn't ask you if I committed a hate crime. hilarious Germans. You know, the Germans, a German soldier shot my cousin Mike in the stomach.

He never fully recovered from that. And the Germans, the massacres that they committed in Greece are still like just seared into the Greek national memory. And I don't care if now all the Germans pretend to be anti-Nazi. They did such horrible things to women and children in Greece that they can can't ever be forgiven. And then they're like, oh, no, we paid our reparations.

Oh, you know, I remember a city, you would like this, John. I mean, my mom and I went on a genealogy tour of Brittany, and we found this one town where there were a lot of people from her side of the family. You know, every little village, every town, every city has a war monument, listing everybody who died in France's various wars, right? Merle-Prol la France, fallen for France. And I remember, and my mom goes, goes, look at all these stupid bastards, died for nothing.

And I said, what do you mean? They were fighting the Germans who were coming to, you know, enslave them. And she goes, yeah, and the Germans fucking won. They run the, they run the EU, they run Europe. Like, they never should have been able to have a country at the end of World War II. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, that was de Gaul's plan, right? Yeah.

Break them up. 28 or 24 separate zones or something like that. Brick them up. Zambia was going to get one. Oh. Zambia or some I think it was Zambia I don't even know Zambia existed but it was like one of those countries Yeah, but I kind of have to admit I I never understood why Germany was allowed to have a country After World after World War II. It's like it's just been chopped up and given to their neighbors right

Just basically sliced and diced like this one goes to Belgium this one goes to Luxembourg This one you know goes to the Czech to Czechoslovakia whatever You know, I had dinner with Peter Kuznick the other night. He's a professor at American University, and he was on a panel on, I think, some German, I think it was a German station. And he was on this panel with a former foreign minister from Latvia, Lithuania, one of those Baltic states. And she said that the German army should take over Kaliningrad, that we know we've always wanted it. should just take it. I'm sure you have. And it's like, are you out of your freaking mind? And Peter said he was so shocked that he couldn't even like form words to respond to what she was saying. People have just lost their minds. Totally. Totally.

So I do. So what was there was there was one other thing I was really dying to talk to you about today. What is it? Where is it? Oh. Okay. So like, talk about provoking violence. right? So two douchebags in Utah got arrested for trying to put a bomb under a news van in Salt Lake City. Obviously, I'm not, I don't think it's a huge stretch to imagine. These are pro-Charlie Kirk, Republican, right-wing, whatever you want. Of course, I'm just bullshitting, just like all the people who are bullshitting about Charlie Kirk. I don't know anything. These could be like Antifa, Radical Left. It could be anything. But the point is that's the world we're in now. where everyone thinks it's okay to shoot each other, blow each other up, just because we're annoying.

Can you imagine if they'd fucking blown up a van with people inside? I mean, the bomb didn't go off because they were idiots. But, I mean, really? You know, I tell the story of these idiots that tried to blow up the Route 82 bridge in Cleveland all the time. They were just suckered into doing that by the FBI. But it sounds like these morons in Utah actually tried to do it themselves and were just too stupid to pull it off. And while we're talking, and speaking of stupid attempts to killing people, so Trump just announced right before we went on the air that he decided to take out another boat from Venezuela, killing three people who were allegedly drug dealers. You know, there's still been no evidence presented whatsoever. We know from someone who was at the intelligence briefing in Congress that, that, that,

The government has no evidence whatsoever that the boat that they took out last week was from Venezuela, had Venezuelans aboard, that said Venezuelans were, in fact, members of Tranda Aragua, that they were transporting drugs. We don't know shit about them. They could be anybody. And now here we go again, three more. And again, nobody cares. No, nobody cares.

But let me ask you, what's the American endgame here? I'm not a Latin America specialist. I follow it as much as, I guess, the average American does. But you can't affect regime change, let's say, or overthrow the Venezuelan government killing, you know, a dozen fishermen or a dozen drug runners at a time. So what's the point of doing this? You know, it's hard for me to see. I mean, the Trump administration is always like flailing.

And, you know, I was going to write a, I was thinking of writing sort of an ununy type parody piece where it's like, so Donald Trump, when faced with something that everyone was talking about in the news, decided to just chill and read up on the question and take them and bring in a blue ribbon panel of academic experts to carefully consider the best way to approach it and appealed for calm and reason. Like, you know, because that's just obviously, you know, not what happens. It's like, you know, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I mean, I think this is a way of sort of fucking with, you know, the government of Venezuela, the way that we always do. I don't know. I mean, I want to be open to the possibility that they actually think they're involved in some kind of war on drugs, which are killing Americans through fentanyl and all this stuff.

I'd like to think that, but I'm just too cynical. I don't think they really know what the fuck they. they're doing or care. Yeah, I think that's probably right. It's a drone attack, again, of course, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, because that way you don't risk your own people. You can crow about what a great operation this was and how successful it was.

And you know they don't recover the bodies. You know, it's just like you blow up the ship at sea, everything's gone, all the bodies become fish food. No must, no fuss. It's like it reminds me of the, what were those? It wasn't the secret war. What was the word for it in Argentina during the military? Oh, the dirty war. The dirty war.

The dirty war. Where they would take leftists, kidnap them, and then fly them out on a helicopter, drugged often, and then just kick them out the door over the ocean. That's right. They would even have a Catholic priest on board to give them the last rights before they threw them out of the side of the helicopter. Oh, how devout of them. Yeah. That's something. awesome insane yeah you know this is a good point i really this is worth mentioning uh michael vloff says

revoked the authorization to use military force that was passed after 9-11 it's open ended it's a blank check for presidents to to completely abuse their war powers authorities absolutely right it should have all it should have expired and been revoked ages ago absolutely right i think that's that's right on. Mindy Greenwood thinks we're just trying to get Venezuela's oil because people don't all know, right? Venezuela is the biggest oil producing country in the

Western Hemisphere. That's right. It has the largest reserves in the world. Oh, is that true? Yeah. I thought that was Kazakhstan at one point. A couple of days ago I just read that. Wow. That's great. Yeah, because there's this whole, yeah, there's this whole like proven reserves versus unproven reserves. It's

kind of complicated. And then there's the quality, not all oil is the same, right? There's different qualities of crude oil. Right. Yes, that's absolutely true. With the Libyan oil being the cleanest and the least in need of refining. Yeah. Yeah, Brian says their oil sucks too much sulfur.

That's what I heard, too. Yeah, it's the highest sulfur of any OPEC country. Well, John, do you consider yourself fully deprope? For today. Now I'm all pissed off. Now I need to watch a couple of episodes of Adam 12 to calm myself down again. How many seasons was that show on? Seven. Oh, that's that's longer than I would have thought. It's long. When did it originally air? 1969 it started. So I saw it when it was still on the air. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, me too. I remember I remember laying on my grandmother's lap and watching it. Their TV got three stations, ABC, CBS, NBC.

And I used to watch that. And I remember I dream of Jeannie came on right afterwards. Now, it's so funny because I always wonder, like, so these shows that I loved as a kid, like which one of them were actually good and which shows probably sucked. You know, I've gone back to rewatch Lou Grant. He became the editor of the rival newspaper to the L.A. Times. And it was actually a good show. It was really well done.

And Astor's a good actor, too. Yeah, yeah, he's a good actor. Was a good actor, yeah. Yeah. Well, Wells Campbell, I think it's going to have the final comment of this episode, which is deprogramming should cause righteous anger. Oh, yeah. No, I agree with Johnny One Plate.

Twilight Zone does hold up. I've got a whole bunch of them DVR and I just love it. They're fantastic. He was a genius. Yeah. He really was. And he wrote everything. episode himself that's crazy oh yeah mr athenian i'm there man party in miconos oh great

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