DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Trump Not Dead Yet”

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

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Robbie. Sorry, I don't know why you're still there. Today's a little squirly, Rumble studio, which I'm trying to run. It's not doing a great job. John Curiaku is here. I'm Ted Rall. I'm here too. The Rumble feed is a little squirly. So if you guys are joining us on Rumble, thanks for being here. I do see some of you guys. So I'm hoping that you guys are figured it out. We had to drop one of the feeds. YouTube seems to be running good. So we will see what happens there. John, thanks for joining us from across the big sea. So lots to talk about today. Donald Trump, our president, is apparently not dead and decided to provide proof of life. We'll talk about that and what that means. Over the weekend,

over the weekend news dump, the Washington Post dumped this extraordinary U.S.-Israeli PDF plan. 38-page plan to basically ethnically cleanse Gaza and exactly what the details of that would look like. It's a big, big scoop for the post, but unfortunately they decided to bury it over the weekend, over the holiday weekend on top of that. But we'll get into the details of that. Eric Trump, not a big shock, wants to be the president. He's the one who is on SNL, little buddy. then Do they interrupt you on that?

Funny thing too is I sent you an email saying or a text message, whatever it was saying Donald Jr., according to the Hill, but not Donald Jr. Eric, like, where did that come from? Well, he's the smart one.

So, yeah. Okay, anyway, so we'll get into that. Hey, look, these days, anything's possible. And an old CIA NK Ultra side project from San Francisco is back in the news. We'll get into that. And I love this story. I'm looking forward to talking to you about it. I really was taken aback when China's President Xi was trying to basically say that, you know,

China and communist China and Russia kind of had similar roles defeating fascism. and the Axis during World War II. And I don't know what history books he reads, but that's not the one I read. Not to say that the Chinese didn't have their hands full during that period, but we should get into that because it's really interesting in what it means. So, John, what do you want to talk about first? So we talk about the president's not dead?

Yeah, you know, I, well, of course, you know, I've been in Iceland the last few days. So I was a little bit out of touch. And then I start getting text messages from friends of mine saying, do you think Trump is really dead? I'm like, what? What's that all about? So I go straight to Fox News thinking if Trump is dead,

they would be the first ones, you know, self-flagellating. There's nothing. Then there's nothing on CNN. There's nothing on the Washington, the New York Times. So I Google it. And an article pops up from the Hindustan Times. saying Trump may be dead.

People are talking about it on Twitter, and there are hashtags. Trump is dead. And another one is, is Trump dead? I'm like, what the heck is this all about? So I called a friend of mine who follows these things, and she's like, yeah, it looks like Trump might be dead. And I said, no, that's not how it works in the United States. Other countries might hide the fact that their leaders have died.

I told the story about, you know, now being dead for weeks before. before the Chinese finally admitted that he was dead. But then you start seeing these AI-generated pictures of Trump with, you know, rotting teeth and Trump with a black eye. And then there are rumors that he had a stroke over the weekend. It's like, no, none of it's true. Well, Keith Oberman. Oh, please, Keith Oberman.

Keith Oberman tweeted like, well, I just can't imagine. in Trump not having anything to say for days at a time. There's something there. There's a report that a couple of garbage bags went out the second floor window of the White House earlier today. And I was wondering if Trump might have been having marital problems. We know how that is. You know, just Melania. Why would you get out the window?

Why would Melania, do you think, go to Walter Reed and tour the, tour the OBGYN-YN area. Why would she do that? It's a good question. And people were saying, oh, it was cover. It was cover because she was visiting Trump. He had a stroke and he's in there secretly. And it's like, no, no, he's not.

Well, I mean, look, I'm going to lay, the Trumpies are going to be happy to hear me say this. I'm going to lay this at the feet of Joe Biden. Like the way every administration likes to blame the past. But I think this is true this time, right? I mean, Joe, the Democrats and Joe Biden, and we interviewed Jake Tapper here to talk about it, you know, a few months ago, you know, basically tried to convince us that all was well with Joe Biden for four years. And now, of course, obviously, we, you know, we know our lying eyes. We're pretty much telling us the truth.

And we're, you know, and so I think that's going to happen a lot. Like, I mean, we've, you know, the American people were lied to about the state of President, you know, Wilson, President Eisenhower. and it's happened at other times, but there's never been anything like, you know, as astounding and prolonged and extreme as the Biden three and a half year cover-up of his mental state that all became clear when he presented himself at the Trump presidential debate. I think that's what this is about. I think ever since that happened, we are like those other countries, John. We just can't really believe anything.

We're not going to trust that, you know, hey, you know, if the president's gone for 36 six hours, that it doesn't mean something just like he wants to have some me time. Yeah. Man, you know, I was watching the BBC here. It's funny. In hotels in Iceland, the BBC is the only English language channel. It's all Icelandic channels. Like how many, the country only has been 400,000 people in it.

How many TV channels all in Icelandic? Anyway, that's just me complaining. So I'm watching the BBC today. And it's like the whole day on BBC. it was, is Trump dead? Did Trump have a stroke? Why was Melania at Walter Reed Hospital? I hadn't heard about the thing coming out of the window.

But they too laid this at the feet of Joe Biden. Because this is now, as you just said, what we come to expect from our leaders. So who knows? Who knows? I will say that both Politico and the Hill are very happy, to be coming out with their top 10 lists of potential candidates. And some of them are nuts.

And some of them we're going to be talking about for the next three years. Well, Gavin Newsom, speaking of whom, his stock just increased dramatically today with this court ruling out of Los Angeles. He's the one who filed this suit against the nationalization, the federalization of the California National Guard in L.A. and he won at the, you know, obviously the Trump can appeal and probably will appeal to the Supreme Court. But I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen there.

I suspect the Supreme Court will not hear the case and leave this decision standing. I think you're right. And Governor, is it J.B. or J.D. Pritzker? Now I'm having a mental blank. Anyway, the governor of J.B. J.B. Pritzker. the heir to the Hyatt hotel fortune has learned a lesson from Gavin Newsom and is doing the same thing now in Illinois that Newsom had been doing to go after Trump about these

National Guard deployments and ice raids and all this other stuff seeing now with this appellate court decision overturning Trump's policy that that you can fight Trump and actually win. And with Pritzker trying to break out of the pack of at least a dozen Democrats being considered as presidential candidates now and knowing he's going to have to take on Newsom, you know, the gloves are already off. Yeah, no, for sure. And I think, you know, I still have this thing, though, the internet and TV are visual media. I don't see Pritzker winning. I mean, frankly he's just not telegenic enough i mean no he's not for ugly i don't see shapiro winning either he was quite high on the on the um the list that ran uh in the hill but um this is a guy who

served in the military not the american military the israeli military and i'm sorry but i'm not voting for somebody who volunteered to fight in the israeli military nor am i nor am i and i'm not and look this is he is a very fierce supporter of the genocide in gaza um and look that's an unpopular genocide right now i don't think it's you know i don't think it's going to age particularly well as the bodies are dug up next year um you know and the year after that i mean can you imagine john what the world is going how the world is going to be judging Israel and those who supported it, you know, three years from now, it's not going to be pretty. I mean, there's not going to be any avoiding any of this.

This isn't going to be like George W. Bush, you know, sort of coasting to re-election, even though no WMDs were found in 2004. This is going to be like George W. Bush's approval ratings in 2008. you're a little bit frozen there at least for me i don't know if you hear me robbie do you see john i see him but he is froze froze okay all right john if you hear us you're a little frozen here that's that's the official southern term at least you're rob he's john's in a at least you know it's not like with your mouth open like yeah i always Okay. John, please reboot maybe and rejoin, and I'll be waiting here for you.

But, you know, in all fairness, I understand why this happens whenever, as you know, I'm a right winger and I get into it with a lot of other right wingers. And the fact that so many, especially Republicans are willing to give somebody a pass who served in a foreign military is insane to me. because if it's for any other country, except for Israel, it would be torches, picks, forgs. This guy is a traitor and everything else, but it's perfectly okay, not only to serve in the military of foreign country, but then to wear that uniform in the economy. Sorry, guys. Sorry about that. Hey, it happens. All right. Robbie, you can finish your thought, and then we'll put you back on the out, Robbie. Oh, hey, that's what I'm here for.

No, I just crazy. Like, no, that's smucked out in Florida. Now, it's a special kind of stupid, not only to wear the uniform of a foreign military in the Congress, but then for the people to continue to vote for the schmuck who wears the foreign uniform in the Congress. If you get pissed off about Zelensky and his Ukrainian flag in the capital, this is worse. Yeah, or has the Israeli flag in the hallway outside of his Senate office. The Israeli flag. Ridiculous. It kind of makes you wonder which country is representing.

doesn't it? Who's wondering? Anyway, all right, thanks, Robbie. We'll bring you back if and when. Okay, so I guess that's a nice segue, John. Let's talk about this 38-page document that came out. This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever read. Now, I have to say, so this, I want to be clear here, John, you know very well from your work that there are plans for everything floating around

white houses and government offices there's a plan for the if if if uh belgium and lexenburg attack the u.s how will we respond there's a plan for giant spacebugs invading the united states there's a plan for everything okay so with that caveat right this does seem a lot like something that we saw in that trump video the the gaza riviera video from a few months ago So this 38-page prospectus called, this starts the Great Trust, the Great is an acronym for the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust, reading directly from the document, from a demolished Iranian proxy to a prosperous Abrahamic ally. And it's, you know, the goal, a thriving Gaza at the crossroads of a new Abrahamic architecture, the risk. Gaza is an Iranian outpost in a moderate part of the region that will threaten IMEC Abrahamic architecture and undermine any future Palestinian self-governance, the opportunity.

Gaza is a regional trade hub at the crossroads of the ancient sea route, Egypt to Gaza to Babylon, and the incense trade route, India to Yemen, to Arabia, to Europe. It can thrive once again at the center of pro-American regional architecture. John, I don't understand the word architecture in this context, do you? No. No, listen, this is the definition of ethnic cleansing. It is. It's literally the definition of ethnic cleansing.

This group that, this was in the Washington Post Day, that came out and said that the Israelis are ethnically cleansing Gaza, they raised five different points. And their conclusion is, I mean, it's almost too sick to even consider, but it's that the, sorry, I seem to have lost my, there I am, they said that if you meet one criterion, right, then that's ethnic cleansing. The Israelis meet all five, all five criteria. for ethnic cleansing. How the European countries aren't jumping up and down about this today, it's a mystery to me. And then I'm ashamed to say, even the Greek government came out and said, we will stand with Israel if it is the last country on, you know, it's like, what are you guys doing? I mean, I understand you hate the Turks and the Turks hate the Israelis, so now you love the Israelis.

I get it. But do you have to be joined at the hip with the Israelis too? it makes me ashamed. So one detail that leapt out at me, and I'm sure it did to you, too, John, is that in order to compensate victims of ethnic cleansing who would be thrown out of their ancestral homeland of Gaza, they would receive $5,000 American dollars. Unbelievable. $5,000.

To give up your, I mean, we're talking about your homeland. for the last 2,000 plus years, you're going to walk away for $5,000. Now, of course, I don't have to fight Israelis every day and risk getting shot to death for the crime of standing in line for food and clean water. So I shouldn't judge, but $5,000, I'd rather be dead. Me too. And I suspect a lot of people over there are going to agree with that. And also, I thought it was interesting that neither the Israeli nor the U.S. government

nor the Trump administration specifically denied that they were taking this plan seriously. Nobody said, you know, this is not, this is, we're not, we're not going to do this. We deny this, you know, or even the weasel words of a typical Washington denial, which is our, we have no such plans, which could mean we're thinking about it, but we haven't decided to pull the trigger yet. They're not even making that kind of denial. Yeah, you're right. They're not even making. in that kind of they're not making any kind of denial and it's amazing to me that even donald trump who granted is known for his his you know pro-zionism would go so far as to risk

being called an ethnic cleanser for the rest of eternity history's not going to smile on this no not at all not at all um so there there you know this is a there this is a there a This seems to be, have been the fever dream of some tech bros, right? It kind of really reads like that. And it has a lot of jargon. Like, what's with this Abrahamic thing? I mean, by the way, Muslims are, Muslims are Abrahamic. Yes.

So. Exactly. I mean, there's, I mean, most, most gossums are either Christian or Muslim. So therefore, everyone there is Abrahamic. And then, like, they have these, it's just this whole, like, you know, we're going to make this super modern. And there's all these crazy charts in here, you know, $24 billion in direct revenue within 10 years by the year 2035. Lever is to reduce the trust's investment. I'm reading directly from the report.

Increase the number of Gazans who volunteered to leave Gaza during the reconstruction. increase the percentage of PPP investments and or expand the categories where those investments are used. Public land can be used as collateral. Public land, this land doesn't belong to anyone but the people of Gaza and a future Palestinian state. PPP stands for public-private partnership investment. So, you know, they're, I mean, they're talking about They have, they're talking about how they have companies that they claim are already interested in doing this, including IKEA and the Arabian Construction Company, you know, and they have, they have like a lot of emphasis on broadband, tourism, all this. Gazins permanently relocating is an important bullet point. 90,000 families, 500,000 people by year 10 minimum, each family will receive,

family will receive $55,000 in relocation package, plus subsidized rent for four years. I mean, it's very detailed. I encourage everybody to go over to the Washington Post and read it or see if you can, if you're not a subscriber, see if you can find a reprint somewhere online. but this is exactly what genocide is this is ethnic cleansing and I just thought it was fascinating you know just to see just how deep and this this off according to the Washington Post I should say this has been making the rounds in the White House the this is a quote from the from the post people familiar with the trust planning and with the administration deliberations over

post-war Gaza spoke about the sensitive subject on condition of anonymity. The White House referred questions to the State Department, which had declined to comment. On Wednesday, Trump held a meeting to discuss ideas for how to end the war, and so the participants apparently all discussed this plan. Apparently the Gaza Health, sorry, humanitarian foundation, which has been, of course, shooting the people who are coming to try to get food, are all. also, you know, are deeply involved in this. It's all part of this. It's extremely detailed.

And that's the part that's just so frightening. This makes me sick to my stomach. You know, I've been yelling for years about the Turkish occupation of the northern one-third of Cyprus. I would volunteer to fight if the, Turks try to throw out the rest of the Cypriots from the southern two-thirds of the island as an example. And they can take their $5,000 and shove it up their rear ends. If I were Palestinian, like I said a minute ago, I would rather fight to the death. I really would. John, Killer Rabbit, one, two, three over on Rumbles asking us, and thank you very much for the generous $10

donation. What do you think of Israel's admiration of the terrorists who founded Israel, but hypocrisy towards Palestinian terrorism as a Brit, I despise all terrorists, but it must complicate their stance or not? That is a great question. You know, the Israelis, before there was an Israel, the Zionists, led by Monachem Begin, I might add, carried out accidents. terrorism including the bombing of the king david hotel in jerusalem that killed dozens of of british soldiers and yet they're not described as terrorists they're described as freedom fighters you know so i i guess it's all in the in the eye of the beholder if you're a supporter of

zionism then the the the israelis are liberating gaza i suppose but for the rest of the world this is an act of genocide Why do you think the Washington Post decided to run such an incredibly spicy topic on a holiday weekend when very few people would pay attention that they did

right and maybe that was it Ted because they know that people are busy over the holiday weekend they're not going to read the article and then at the same time they could say well we did run the articles you can't blame us for being pro-Israeli it's a dutiful release and I guess that would probably reflect internal

contradictions within the at the post within the post yeah yeah John question for you from Frazmataz over on Rumble John do you think the Turkish that Turkish occupied Cyprus and the Greek majority of Cyprus could ever cooperate on the issue of Israel Israeli land developers doing a land grab in both regions we're just take on their own and similar strategies. Turks are talking about expropriation of Israeli land on national security grounds. Honestly, I think it's all talk. I don't think the Turks have the guts to go after Israeli land,

just like the Greek Cypriots don't have the guts to go after land that the British military still occupies. Why does Rumble always freeze when I'm looking my absolute worst? Yeah, I don't see anything like that. happening fras i think that you know i hate to say this especially about the greek government but i think the greeks the turks the israelis are all equally guilty of of foregoing anything that could be seen as a good long-term policy in favor of you know a quick short-term grab it's sickening and i'll tell you what else really makes me met. I generally don't read comments on newspaper articles, because I don't care, really.

But I have been reading the comments in the Greek papers about what's happening in Gaza. And the Greeks, by a slight majority, favor the Palestinians. That's new. Well, what's new is that the majority is small. It used to be, you know, 80% of the Greeks supported the Palestinians. But the Greeks see a real long-term financial benefit to throwing their lot in with the Israelis. And it's just so disheartening to see people commenting on these newspaper articles, people with Greek names. It's like, have you forgotten what the Turks did to us? have you forgotten that we were there slaves for 450 years? And you're going to throw your lot in with the Israelis, knowing what the Turks did?

John, even just as a cynical former banker, I don't think it's good business. I mean, Israel's stock is a short sell if there ever was one. I mean, Israel's on the fucking way out. I mean, the whole world is cutting them loose. just today, Belgium decided to announce that they're going to recognize Palestine. UN General Assembly is going to happen here in New York very soon. It's going to be just one thing after another. We recognize Palestine.

Us too. A, we're in too. Everybody's going to, and Belgium went further. They announced sanctions. Now, they're symbolic, but still, sanctions against Israel and against the settlers in the West Bank. and all that. That's, I mean, it's a big deal. It is. Are you kidding? In two years, no one, in Greece or anywhere else is making any money with or for or from the Israelis. The Israelis are going to have their handsful. They're going

to be cut off by the U.S. by 2028. Mark, I'm convinced of it. Or they're going to be on the well on the way to that. Oh, I hope you're right. But you know, you look at the Democrats. And the Democrats are no better than the Republicans on this. I keep coming back to that picture of Cory Booker, like running, running to get into the picture with Netanyahu when he was last in Washington. But then just in case, trying to duck behind Senator Klobuchar so that he's kind of obscured.

It's like, buddy, pick aside. Because you're doing the wrong thing twice here. You know, if you're going to be with the Israelis, then by God, be with the Israelis and own it. Again, I don't think there's any future in it. Even if you were, honestly, I would tell you that, even if you're a pro-Israeli person, even if you love your total Zionist,

I'd be like, you know, you should distance yourself from those guys. If I were your political advisor, it's like, it's not going to look good. Yep, yep. Hey, M.W. Knox 185, thank you very much for the donation. and so done 2324 thank you both for the donation and for being on my my surveillance class today we got two questions said hi john hi ted i know i brought this up last week but the u.s just sank a Venezuelan vessel allegedly carrying drugs is the prerequisite for a strategic strike in

Venezuela Russia and china have been really quiet that's an important question and mw knox says I bet the Gaza Rebuild contract goes to Saudi bin Laden group. I bet you're right. And then we're going to have to pretend there's nothing wrong with that, just like with Jolani and Syria. Oh, my God. I think you're both absolutely right. What do you think, Ted?

No, I think that's totally right. And it's, I mean, we have to, of course, obviously, the bin Laden family is not Osama bin Laden, obviously. Although, obviously, he was a bin Laden. But still, the Gaza, yeah, well, that's been the talk, right? Like the UAE and the Saudis would be rebuilding Gaza. And they're not going to do that as a gift to the people of Palestine. It's not like the Palestinians are going to be, I mean, let's put it this way, right?

An interesting way to look at this like a Rubik's Cube is to turn it around and look at it from another point of view. Imagine a different world. Imagine a world where Israel and the U.S. and everyone else says, okay, we're, okay, enough, the madness has passed, Hamas is gone, we're going to rebuild Gaza and basically make it nice for the Palestinians. Well, how would that look? How would you do that? Well, you would have to relocate them temporarily. It would be kind of like after the big earthquake in Turkey 25 years ago, where people had to move out of Istanbul and live in these massive tent cities out in the outskirts in the suburbs. And then they'd be able to come back home,

later. So how would that look? I mean, they would have to live in Israel proper. You couldn't move them to Egypt because there would always be the danger the Israelis would not let them back in. So they'd have to move to the Negev or whatever. They'd be live in 10th cities for probably five years or more while all the unexplodent ordinances is found and all the buildings are, you know, basically you need everything from scratch, right? New sewage, new electricity, everything. Rebuild all the buildings. That's going to take billions of dollars and then, you know, imagine rebuilding Manhattan from the ground up. That's what we're talking about. Literally. So, yeah, it's literally the same size and same population as Manhattan. So then, you know, then they're allowed to come home. Well, why would the

Saudis or the Emirates or anyone else do this unless they were compensated in some way? Just to be nice. Like, I mean, I'm not usually a person who thinks much about, like, the poor Saudis, but why should the Saudis fix it? They didn't bomb the shit out of it. You know, I mean, like, why should the Emirates do it? It's not their fault. I mean, you know, this is, it's the Israelis who did it. So, like, I mean, why are they going to do it? The only reason they would do it is if they could make a profit. There's no other way. And that profit, that profit motive means the Palestinians can't be there. I mean, so, I mean, this, The Israelis kind of, they've been living, you know, with ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.

They know that the facts on the ground tend to win, right? Possession is nine-tenths of the law. You go in there, you kick people out, and then you're there. And it's hard for the world to say, you know, get these fucking settlers out of there. They don't belong there. Although that's the truth. They're squatters, right? It's like if squatters move into my apartment while I'm on vacation, I call the NYP.

and get their ass thrown out. But like the point is, but that's exactly what should happen to the Israelis who were in the West Bank. So similarly, they're going to, you know, they're like, well, we'll just bomb the shit out of Gaza. And then these people will have, they'll have to leave. And then it'll be ours.

It will be ours. That's what, that was always their idea. And it's always, and I don't blame them because it's always worked before. I agree. And, you know, I hear a lot of people, I have to be careful the way I word this, because I don't want anybody to take it incorrectly. I hear a lot of people saying, what did Hamas think was going to happen?

Like on October 7th, did they think the Israelis would just fold like a house of cards? No, they didn't think they were going to live happily ever after? They did not think the response was going to be. And I'm not condoning it. This is genocide. No, they knew that, look, I think Hamas knew exactly what was going to happen. And I think that if they had to go back to October 6th, they would do the same exact thing because it worked in their, it accomplished what they were trying to accomplish. They were trying, I mean, the, you know, the people of Gaza, they were locked behind the security wall and,

The key was thrown away, and nobody gave a shit about them, and the world had completely forgotten. The Saudis were moving toward normalization with Israel, you know, the Abraham Accords, blah, blah. The Palestinian's problem was considered like under wraps and vacuum-packed and sealed. And I think the, I think, Hamas leadership, they were like, we need a game changer. And we need to, we need to fuck. We have to put ourselves on the top of the headlines. We've got to make news. And yeah, the Israelis are going to be monsters, but that's what terrorism is for.

You know, I mean, what is the message of, what was the message of Al-Qaeda on 9-11? The message was the Americans are imperialist monsters, anti-Muslim and expansionist and imperialistic and hegemonic. How do we expose that? We get them to overreact and invade not one but two Muslim. countries who had nothing to do with it. It's like al-Qaeda wins. I mean, their message is out. It's like Hamas' message.

The Israelis are monsters. They're a bunch of racist assholes. They're murderous and genocidal. You don't believe us? Here, we'll show you. Polk, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke. They attacked. The Israelis played, and the Americans after 9-11,

played into the hands of the terrorists. They got, the terrorists got exactly what they wanted. Yes. Yes. And we've got a question too. It's an interesting one. I actually just had to look it up real quickly. This is from Zara Ova.

Why have hospitals in France reportedly been told to begin preparing for a major military engagement on the continent and NATO spending is projected to exceed $1.6 trillion this year? The second part of the question is easy. A trillion of that is ours. So 1.6 trillion, I think, is probably lower than it could have been. But I hadn't heard about hospitals in France being told to prepare for a major military engagement. So I looked it up and that it is true. Hospitals in France have been told by the Ministry of Health to begin to brace for a major engagement by March 2026 with chilling instructions to be ready to treat a flood of wounded troops

from across the continent. The French government believes that the war in Ukraine will devolve seriously and that France is going to have to absorb hundreds of battlefield casualties per day. Now, it's unclear to me, and this is from the British media. It's in the sun, it's in the mirror, it's all over the place. It's unclear to me if this is a training exercise. or or what but it goes on to say the ministry bluntly admitted quote it is therefore a question for our health system of anticipating the care of military patients in the civilian health system and while paris frames this

as a major engagement the reality is actually far starker under nato's article five of course if france were attacked or a freshen troops stormed into any allied nation the whole alliance would be pulled in that's why everybody's been so careful not to engage for example Poland right or if they if the Russians send a drone over Poland and it's seen in Germany or shot down in Germany or whatever was the case last week the Russians just deny it say oh it was you know some hobbyist or it was a Ukrainian drone or whatever Lulu 3 comments Macron the drama queen that's what I'm going to hang my hat on. Because Macron is a drama queen, especially when it comes to Ukraine.

Nobody else is preparing for this World War III to begin in March. So maybe it's just Macron, you know, Ted, maybe he was watching the show last week and heard what you said about his electoral chances. So maybe he's trying to drum something up. I don't know. I don't know what to make of this. The French are never above ginning up a little bit of drama. Uh, you know, by the way, this is off topic, but, you know, I can't resist.

Frazmataz is talking about a video that he saw, I saw this also about feral cats becoming pets at the state pen in Kentucky. It looked like a great program, except the prisoners have to pay for the cat food and other care. Uh, any thoughts on this as a prison civil rights guy, John. So these cats cut down on yard fights. No one wants to go into solitary and let, and leave their cat alone. Hey, I know it's probably farther off topic, but there was an article in Kathamarini, which is like the New York Times. Actually, it's the New York Times sister paper in Greece.

They have the Times insert every day. There was an article yesterday about cats. If you've ever been to Greece, there are like millions and millions of cats. They're everywhere. Greece doesn't have any rats because it has all these cats. And it was saying in this article that now there are two dozen different like humanitarian pet adoption organizations in Greece where if you go to Greece on vacation and you have this great time and you see a cat and you love the cat, you can take the cat with you and go home, right? You have to pay for like a rabies shot or whatever. You can take the cat and just go home.

sure enough curtis lewa says yesterday that he wants to begin importing european stray cats into new york because the rats are so brazen that even in central park they're climbing up carriages into the carriage where the baby is there sleeping or napping or whatever to eat snacks that the mothers have in the carriages yeah the cats are run the cats used to be in the subway, confined to the tracks, you'd see them. Now they're up on the platforms, broad daylight. Disgusting. You know, there's a really interesting cat story.

Under Grand Central Station, there's a warren of switching yards that goes hundreds of feet down where the trains switch. And for years, there were feral cats that were down there that kept the rat population down. But then the ASPCA, some do-gooders, came in and rescued all the cats and cleared them out. And in no time, track workers were starting to get bitten by rats all the time. And they begged for the cats to be allowed to come back. And they finally did. And so as far as I know, that's still standing. Look, as a cat lover, anything that puts more cats on the streets of New York is something that I can get behind. It just would feel sad if they were run over by

cars, which would probably happen to. But, I mean, it's, you know, look, honestly, I think it's a pleasure. I know, I don't want to say anything nice about the Turks, John, but one of the great pleasures of visiting Istanbul is all the cats, too. You know, you could go to public park and, you know, a cat will just jump on your lap and you could make friends with it. Same, you know, obviously it's the same in Greece. It's all the Mediterranean countries, kind of like cats.

And no rats, which is wonderful. And you're ratless. Adam Fider has a good question. By the way, John, what's happening in Greece? 700 schools are shutting down because of the demographic crisis. There was a great article today. I forget where I saw it, if it was in one of the Greek papers, wherever it was, saying that Greece has the greatest population drain of any European country

and one of the biggest population drains in the world that in the next 30 years it's expected to lose 24% of its population. Whoa. People are just leaving. They're going to the U.S., UK, Canada, Australia, mostly. A lot of going to Germany. But they've got to get out of Greece because there's just no future there. It's a major brain drain.

That sucks. Big boss, Bob Ross. No, I don't. I totally agree with your mom, not being impressed with your suggestion of his excellency meow mark. Adafi, although my cat is also named after a world leader, the first king of France, King Clovis. He's not king, though. John, Luke wants to know.

Any elements of 9-11 that you wish were answered? I'll answer mine. There's one big one for me, which is a United Flight 93. According to the 9-11 commission report, Janie gave the shoot-down order, in my view correctly. And according to the timeline in the report, there was more than enough time for Air National Guardsmen to intercept Flight 93. The engine was reportedly found 12 miles away from the crash site, even though it was a straight down crater. So my question is, was Flight 93 actually shot down successfully by the Air Force? If so, that would be one of the things the government did well that day, but I would understand why they didn't reveal it.

That's my big. That's my big one. How about you? That's a good one. I have several, actually. I want to know why the Pentagon never released the rest of the video from all the cameras around the Pentagon. You know, we've got the video from the Exxon station over on Columbia Pike, which doesn't tell us very much. There were dozens of cameras all around the Pentagon, if not more than dozens. and I want to know why that video was never, was never released. Because it gives rise to conspiracy theories, that it was a missile. I had a, there was a woman I was talking to at a speech that I gave.

A woman was like in her 70s. And she told me with a completely straight face that she believes that the plane that hit the Pentagon actually did not hit the Pentagon, that it landed at an Air Force base in Norfolk, Virginia. Everybody was taken off the plane. and they were executed in a gas chamber on the air base, and their bodies were incinerated, and then the Air Force shot a missile into the Pentagon

so that we would have an excuse to go to war. And I said, man, with all due respect, we don't need an excuse to go to war with anybody. If you haven't paid any attention to US foreign, you know, if we want to kill people, we just start killing them we don't we don't say oh you know what i better murder a whole bunch of americans so i have an excuse to go out there and attack iraq no you just attack your rock because nobody's going to call you on it you just do it yeah no i had i had a friend a very good

friend who he was all about the in plain sight and all these videos and stuff and you know we both live in new york and he was like well you know so it was a missile that that hit the world trade Center. I'm like, dude, there are thousands of eyewitnesses who saw the planes go, you know, and not to mention there's video. But it's like, we know. And I'm like, okay, so if you're telling me it was missiles, I'm like, so riddle me this, where are the two planes and the passengers? Where are they? And he's like, I don't know. He goes, that's for, that's for the official story to answer. I'm like, the official story did answer it. It's up to you as the person with the alternative to explanation to tell me he i'm like so you're to tell me someday we're going to find

the two planes at the bottom of the sea he goes maybe and i'm like okay i can't i can't talk about this you know there's a question from read why didn't alfreda bickowski and her husband mike shoyer not share info with the fbi sufan and o'neill ali sufan was a gs 12 translator you want to tell you should explain who these people are sure Alfreda Bikowsky was the deputy director of Alex Station, which was the Osama bin Laden unit. She was actually my first-line boss. I was the head of the counterintelligence branch in Alex Station. Mike Schoier had been the founder of Alex Station.

It's actually named after his son, Alec. But Mike was stripped of all of his authority, and it's kind of sat in a cubicle about 10 feet away from me. Ali Sufan, an FBI translator, he was just a GS-12. nobody. He was a nobody until he started to interrogate Abu Zabeda a year and a half later. So Ali would have been lucky just to have the Washington Post shared with him, let alone secrets from Alex Station. John O'Neill had already retired from the FBI on 9-11. He was the FBI's New York field office special agent in charge, and that carried with it also the title of deputy director of the FBI. It was broader than that, Reid. It was broader and deeper,

actually. People don't fully understand, I think, the depth of the hatred between the CIA and the FBI, to the point where they allowed 3,000 Americans to die on one day, just because they hated each other so much. So to me, that's more bureaucratic infighting leading to something terrible than a conspiracy that demands an answer. Building 7 demands an answer. What nonsense says. Any thoughts on Building 7? I have my own. So do I. Go ahead. Oh, John, you're kind of frozen. John, you are frozen. Okay, hopefully that will be resolved. John, if you can hear me, please, like, reboot or maybe it'll just resolve.

But Robbie. I'm back. Like a bad penny. Well, you know, I don't even know what a bad pen. How's a penny bad? A penny's always worth a cent. Well, because if it's tails, not heads, no, then it's bad luck. Oh, there's John.

It's a lot saying goes. Hey, he's back. Okay. All right. Hey, John, let's, okay, by Robbie. Sorry. Okay, so, sorry, that was rude. We'll bring Robbie back. So, all right. I want to hear your thoughts about building seven World Trade Center on 9-11. I have thoughts too. Go ahead. Yeah, I think that the building became structurally in sound when the other towers came down. And even though it wasn't, plus the explosion from the reserve fuel thing in the suburb. basement would have done it in. That's exactly. That's my take exactly. Yeah, I mean, people don't understand who are not from New York or haven't been to New York. I mean, so these buildings were immense, right? I mean, 110 story building is basically a quarter of a mile

high. There were two of them. When they came down, they created a seismic incident that was registered on earthquake monitoring devices like 100 miles away. So it all came down all at once it was a lot of weight the building across the building seven world trade was right across the street so um you know and it was a much smaller building so the shock had to have been profound and it had this giant fuel tank um right in the middle of it that like you know basically caught fire um you know i mean that's what that's what i think happened there i don't think it's a big mystery i don't either i want to add something uh i'm going to speak at an event that next week.

What's it called? It's whatever this, it's this conference in D.C. About 9-11. And, you know, just between us, girls, I'll tell you the truth. A buddy of mine is doing PR for it. And he said, hey, do you mind speaking to a group

on the anniversary of 9-11? I can give you 500 bucks. I said, okay, sure, I could use 500 bucks. I'll speak to your group on 9-11, not realizing that it's a 9-11 truth organization. So I thought, damn it, now I've committed to this group and they're advertising and everything and I'm kind of stuck. So I decided, no, you know what? The truth is I also have questions about 9-11.

I'm not going to, I'm not going to walk away from my long-held positions that al-Qaeda did 9-11. It did. I watched it unfold in slow motion in the two months before the attacks. al-Qaeda did 9-11 it wasn't the Bush family it wasn't the Jews it wasn't the Israeli government it wasn't the Saudi royal family

or the lizard people or the space aliens or Shell Silverstein it's not Shell Silverstein or Silverman or whatever the name is I know I love Shell Silverstein the owner of the World Trade Center whatever his name is Silverman

Silverberg I don't know and his you know insurance claim no al-qaeda did 9-11 the question i have though is surely the israelis as great an intelligence apparatus as they have knew something was coming and indeed george tennett dick clark cofer black were shouting from the rooftops something terrible terrible is going to happen. We don't know when and we don't know where, but we know it's going to be an attack, the scale of which we have never seen. The Israelis never offered us one sentence of intelligence to protect ourselves. Why? Because they had a national interest

in the United States being attacked because they knew that our response would be to go to war and kill as many Muslims as we possibly could. And that's exactly what happened. So I would like to know the truth. So you think they sat on their hands. I do. I think they sat on their hands. On July 6th, 2001, I was entertaining a group of mid-level representatives from a Middle Eastern

intelligence service. We used to do this literally every single day. And what we would do is, I'd set up a day of briefings and, you know, they get a briefing on Hezbollah, get a briefing on Al-Qaeda, get a briefing on this issue and that issue and the other issue. You take him to lunch. You take them up to the director's office. They shake his hand.

They get a picture together. We exchange gifts. I take him home to the hotel. And then that night we go out to Capitol Grill and have an expensive state. And then you do the whole thing again the next day. So I had scheduled a one-hour briefing with. a junior, like 25-year-old junior al-Qaeda analyst from the Counterterrorist Center. And when it came time for the briefing, Kofar Black himself walks in with Alfreda Bakowski.

And I stood up and I said, oh, I said, gentlemen, this is Kofar Black. He's the director of counterterrorism for the CIA. This is the chief of Alex station, et cetera. And he sits down and he says, something terrible is going to happen. happen. We don't know when. We don't know where, but it's going to be on an unprecedented scale. I've told the story a thousand times. He says, I beg you, if you have any sources inside al-Qaeda, please help us. Well, these guys aren't dealing with al-Qaeda. They don't have an al-Qaeda problem in their country. And so they just sat there like this, like, hmm, sorry to hear this, you know,

but we can't help you. Sucks to be you. Yeah. And at the end of the day, I walked over to Kofor's office and I went in and I said, Kofar, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to come to talk these guys today. But I got to ask you, I'm not working on al-Qaeda on a day-to-day basis. Were you saying that for their benefit or were you serious? And he said, oh, I was deadly serious. Something terrible is going to happen. Okay, well, if the Israelis have the best intelligence service in the world or at least the best intelligence service in the Middle East and they actually do cover these issues. Why did the Israelis never tell us that something terrible was going to happen?

They never said a word. And remind me to come back to Stephen Victor Andrews. He's mentioning Susan Lindauer and Sebel Edmonds. And you know what? I'm going to go back. Hey, if a warning filtered down to me a nobody, then a lot of people were warned. Yeah, well, there you go. John, hold that thought.

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That sounds like a pretty cool app. That's hilarious. In the 70s, they used to say, if you heard the same ad 26 times, you would end up buying it. John, I know we're at risk of running long, and I don't want that to happen, but I also don't want to miss talking about some key things here.

So where was this that I want? Yeah. So one question that we had was, oh, I can't find it right now. But I definitely want to talk about this M.K. Ultra story. Yeah, I don't know why this is making the rounds again. Somehow, it went viral on Reddit and then spread across the internet writ large. Yeah, breaking. Yeah, breaking news.

So I guess history, we live in a country where history is breaking news. So I'm not going to get into what M.K. Ultra is, although you can explain what that is. But basically, Operation Midnight Climax is pretty funny. So basically, the question was, and this is true, this happened, right? So back in the 1950s, so in the 1960s, the CIA set up a brothel in San Francisco. And they dozed unsuspecting Johns with acid. And they basically watched them through the two-way mirrors to see what they would do. And there were Senate hearings about this headed by Senator Ted Kennedy in 1977 to get into all this.

And it was called Operation Midnight Climax. And Snopes was asked to weigh in. Is this true? Yes. It's true. Yeah, I've written about this. And I did an episode of my TV show about it like four years ago or something like that. This happened in the in the 1950s through the 1960s.

It was a sub-operation of M.K. Ultra, Operation Midnight Climax. It was also called M.K. Chiquit. And the CIA was experimenting with LSD on unsuspecting American citizens, People who never gave consent to be dosed with LSD. And as one of the sub-operations of MK Ultra, the CIA rented a house in San Francisco, turned it into a brothel, recruited prostitutes, and got them to bring their Johns back to the safe house where they were surreptitiously dosed with LSD. And then CIA officers would try to get them.

to disclose their deepest darkest secrets just to see if they would do it under the effect of Yeah, they were really interested in truth serums, right? Yeah, it was like a truth serum experiment, correct. Is there such a thing as a truth serum, really? My understanding is that there isn't. No, not really. Another thing they did also in San Francisco as part of MK Ultra early on is they waited for a particularly foggy day where the air is very heavy.

And then they went around spraying this, this germ that they had developed just to see if everybody would get sick, right? Because they wanted to do this in Pyongyang or Moscow. They did something similar in New York City. They dropped a light bulb with that germ off the back of a subway to see how quickly it would spread. Well, 11 people came down with this really rare upper respiratory infection. And so they declared the operation of success. remember, I don't know if it was in New York or if it was there, but one of the, one, like a grandpa died. He was like, he got that respiratory infection. Here's, I found it. It's a phrasmatas question. TWA flight 800. Yeah. What do you think? Piers Salinger was convinced

that it was, uh, accidentally fired US, there was a, there were US Navy training operations going on in that area near JFK Airport. And it went down like sort of eastern Long Island, not quite at the Hamptons, but like on the way to the Hamptons, sort of your typical flight to Paris. And, you know, is it possible that like the plane, like the Iranian jet that was shot down accidentally by the Navy in the Persian Gulf, that it was an accidental missile firing? I think it's possible. And, you know, this is. is not something that came out, you know, 10 years after the fact. This is something that came out within days of the crash of that plane. And, you know, all we ended up getting was,

was even days after the accusation was a statement from the Navy saying, no, no, we weren't doing operations in that area. Take our word for it. And there was a witness. There was a, a guy flying a, like a private plane, a private plane who claimed, to have seen, and he was a vet, he claimed to have seen the contrail come up from the Navy ship. Yes. And he seemed to be a credible, like, person who I didn't have any history of, like, whack-a-doodle behavior. Yeah. And, you know, for those of our, of our listeners and viewers who don't know who Pierre Salinger was, he was one of the most highly respected journalists that ever came out of this country. To the point where John F. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy,

named him press secretary because he was so highly respected. He was the head of the Paris Bureau of the International Herald Tribune and the New York Times. He was a very serious, high-level journalist. He was a colossus. Not somebody who would normally just spout some kind of nonsense from a single source. By the way, if you remember at a certain... So right after this happened, for some reason, that's when... you had to start taking your packages to the post office teller to have them,

you couldn't drop a small package in a mailbox anymore. And then they instituted those like tight, narrow slots instead so that you can open the thing all the way. All because of TWA Flight 800. I'm like, but if it was a fuel line problem, why can't we drop our packages in the mail anymore? Yeah, that's right. So all very confusing. John, I got to ask you about, we got to talk about this before we. before we go. So China recently, so the Chinese, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization just had

its big meeting, big blowout with President Kim of North Korea, obviously the host President Xi of China, of course President Putin of Russia. That's where the headlines were. I took careful note, though, of the fact that President Xi and China for the first time ever are trying to sort of share the glory of defeating fascism in World War II with Russia and the United States. And I'm kind of like, okay, so, but that's not what happened, right? So, I mean, I was like, China didn't ever fight the Nazis because of something called geography. Right. And there's certainly, they mixed it up with the, with Imperial Japan, which was occupying Eastern China.

But that was the Guamontan, the KM, the National. Nationalist Party. China was in the middle of a civil war. It's very complicated, right? And basically during the 40s, these were the troops under Chiang Kai Sheck, where they were the ones who were supposed to be engaging with the Chinese, with the Japanese occupation forces. They really weren't doing a great job, right? I mean, basically the nationalists, like Chiang Kai Shek famously said, that, how did he say, put it, he said the Japanese are a disease, but communism is a cancer. So he spent more time fighting the Chinese communists. The Maoists wanted to join, basically said, let's put our rivalry aside and fight the Japanese. And part of the reason the communists won is the nationalists were so corrupt and so incompetent and not interested in fighting the Japanese, and the communists, like, made hay out of that.

And they got a lot, they won a lot of hearts and minds that way. But that doesn't mean that you personally get to claim credit. I mean, Putin must have had to really bite his tongue as a leader of a country that lost 30 million people fighting the Nazis. It's like, oh, that was us. We did that together. It's like, who's this us you're talking about? it's funny everybody is commenting about this today and they're saying the same thing ted that

you just said that this had to be a tough one for Putin to take um yeah you know the war ended what 80 years ago and uh is that right yeah 80 years ago i think it's a little bit late for historical revisionism. How is, I mean, I have to admit, I just never, this seems to be a new, a new jam for the Chinese. I mean, are they taking, trying to take advantage of historical ignorance on the part of Westerners and Americans specifically? And to be, this seems like also like a way for the, to try to sort of, it seems like a backwards way of getting at the Taiwanese, right? because, okay, so a lot of people who don't realize this, right, this history, right?

So in 1945, right, the, the nationalists basically started to flee at that point. Well, Taiwan had its independence from, it was a Japanese province between after the Sino Japanese were from 1898 to the end of World War II. At the end of World War II, the Japanese surrendered it and withdrew. And for four years, there was an indigenous Taiwanese democratically elected government on Taiwan. Then in 1949, when the Chinese nationalists were defeated by the communists, they fled. And with the help of the U.S. Navy, stole all of the antiquities and the gold from the Chinese treasury, fled to Taiwan. And basically, you know, the book about this is called Formosa Betrayed, if anyone is interested in reading about.

about this. And then the ethnic Taiwanese were basically pushed out of power. There was an incident where the nationalists massacred all the intellectuals on Taiwan. It's called like the 228 incidents or something like that for February 28th. And then took over and established basically this right wing kind of authoritarian anti-communist sort of semi, I wouldn't say fascist, but certainly very far away. right-wing authoritarian regime under Shankichick. And then Shankar Shek died in the 80s and they transitioned to peaceful democracy.

And it's a weird story. But basically, the KMT ran China, I mean, ran Taiwan all those years. And they're in charge now. And even though there's been opposition party has had a president for a little time after, you know, starting in the odds, it's still basically kind of a KMT output. They fly the KMT flag, the nationalist flag. So this is kind of a way of just basically sucking all the historical oomph out of the Taiwanese, isn't it? That's exactly how I read it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just ganging up on Taiwan and using history to do it. Yes. So is it going to work? Might work with the Americans. You know what? You said it before I could say it. Americans tend to be less well-informed than most other global citizens.

So, yeah, it might work on the Americans. I mean, listen, in public school, when I was going to school, we single-handedly won the Second World War. There was barely ever any mention of the Soviet Union or the casualties that the Soviet Union... True. Yeah, they were an afterthought. It was like we did it all.

Sure. Big boss, Bob Ross says, to be fair, though, both the Eastern Front and the Chinese front were literal hell on earth during World War II. The Japanese used to drop fleas with plague on Chinese villages just caused pandemics. Awful shit. Yeah, that was the Japanese Imperial Army Unit 731, they were called. And they did human experiments on living people. They did vivisection. they froze people to death on purpose.

And yeah, they dropped plague virus and anthrax in Manchuria. Yeah, they did, which they called Manchuquo. They annexed it. Yeah, probably the most pop history way for Americans to understand that is if you watch The Last Emperor, Bertolucci film, great movie. And the last emperor of China was kind of, was kind of, seduced by the Japanese into becoming the Vichy puppet

ruler of Montuguo under Japanese occupation. Sick. Although I always think for Americans who watch that movie, do they have any idea what's going on? No. Or is it just pretty? They say, oh, this poor guy, he was the king of China, and now he's just a

gardener. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a turd. Yeah, it was. He deserved to have his hands. chopped off but oh i think the chinese were extremely merciful i think so too he wouldn't have if it were up to if it were up to comrade raw things would not have gone that well for him yeah i'm with you all right then um anything else we have to talk about here unit of 731

lived free until his death that was crazy i didn't know that mania i guess that's right um yeah And let's see, do we have to talk about, I guess that's it. I'm going to check up and check the Rumble feed here. Okay, U.S. Oversight Committee says NPC3, releases all subpoenaed documents from the DOJ released related to Epstein. Devil's always in the details or the lack thereof. President Trump says the U.S. military strike on a event. vessel in the southern Caribbean targeted Venezuela's train de

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