DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Trump Rages at UN”

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou update you on the big clash over free speech as ABC battles station giants Nexstar and Sinclair over Jimmy Kimmel's return tonight, Trump’s bizarre hourlong UN General Assembly address, the massive SIM farm threat 35 miles from UN headquarters, the State Department’s clampdown on Iranian UN delegates, Trump’s war on Tylenol, and ICC charges against ex-Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte for crimes against humanity.Jimmy Kimmel Standoff: ABC reinstates "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" tonight. But Nexstar continues to boycott the show, while Sinclair still demands an apology and donation to right-wing Turning Point. If a TV show airs but no one sees it, who wins the free speech fight?Trump's UN Tirade: Trump lambasts the UN in a near-hour speech, touting U.S. resurgence while attacking Biden, migration policies, and Ukraine war enablers like Europe's Russian oil purchasers, threatening more tariffs. Is he OK?Secret Service SIM Bust: Agents dismantle a sprawling SIM farm network, uncovering 300 servers and 100,000 cards across five abandoned New York sites—poised to create DDoS chaos, tower shutdowns, and 30 million texts per minute targeting UN events. Forensics reveal foreign-state ties to cartels and traffickers, plus cocaine and arms; the Advanced Threat Interdiction Unit neutralizes the plot 35 miles from headquarters, but warns of additional duplicates nationwide.Iranian Shopping Ban: State Department blocks Iranian UN diplomats from Costco.Trump's Tylenol Autism Claim: Trump tells pregnant women not to take Tylenol, booming warnings despite inconclusive studies linking prenatal acetaminophen to autism, as FDA tweaks labels for caution despite a lack of causation proof. Duterte ICC Charges: Prosecutors charge Duterte with crimes against humanity for 76 drug-war murders, alleging his indirect role via Davao Death Squad hits from 2013-2018, rewarding assassins $875-$17,000 per target.

Thanks for tuning in to D-Program with Ted Raul and John Kiriaku. It's Tuesday, September 23rd. It's 5 p.m. Eastern time. We're here Monday through Friday at 5 p.m. Eastern. Nice to see you again, John. How are you doing? Good to see you. It's been a busy day.

I'm in Los Angeles all week, and it's just like the three-hour time difference is a lot. You know, you wake up and you think you're waking up early, and the East Coast already has three hours on you. Yeah, I used to live in the San Francisco. Bay Area and in L.A., and, you know, everybody in the East Coast just assumes that the whole country is up with them. And then the West Coasters get their revenge when they call you on the East Coast at like 455 their time right before they kick off work. And it's like, guys, it's 755 at night. I don't want to start a one-hour meeting. What do you guys? Yes, indeed. It takes

getting used to. I mean, and I'm not even going to get into the plight of the poor Hawaiians. Yeah, how do they get anything done? Our apologies to you guys. I think they're just so chill, they don't care. All right, lots to talk about just before we went on the air, Donald Trump once again flip-flopped on Ukraine, saying now that after he hung out with Zelensky, that he thinks now that with the proper assistance, Russia can be defeated, and Ukraine can get back all of its territory that it's lost to Russia in the war. I don't know if that includes Crimea or not.

Trump wasn't specific. I would assume that it would. I think I have to ask myself, is too early for early onset dementia? Are we just talking about? Is he badening out on us? What's going on here? We also have the Jimmy Kimmel situation, which is getting just stranger and stranger. And, of course, this very, even by the standards of strange stump Trump speeches,

Trump's speech one hour long was a humdinger. We'll go over that. John, I definitely want to pick your brains on this Sim Farm plot that's completely unattributed. We don't know if it was a state actor, if it was a private group, what it was about, what did it have anything to do with the UN? We'll get into the details of this. The Iranians are not going to be allowed to go to Costco while they visit New York.

for the UN General Assembly, very sad, or Sam's Club, I should point out, or BJs, really seriously, that's true. And of course, we have to talk about this really stupid Tylenol crap. We talked a little bit about this before the show. I'm looking forward to hearing your take on that, John. And finally, a little good news, Duterte, the former dictator of the Philippines, is about, He's just been slammed with 76 drug war murder charges. The only problem there is that he's probably guilty of a lot more than that.

But, you know, hey, whatever you can get is great. It's, you know, when this was all happening with impunity, I thought, I hope someday he pays for this. So it looks like that day has arrived. So where shall we start? You know, let's get the worst of it out of the way first. Okay. Trump's speech at the United Nations. Well, you know what?

Trump's speech at the United Nations and Trump's allegation that Tylenol, of all things, causes autism. But you can cure it by buying Dr. Oz's special formula vitamins. I mean, the grift is just, they might as well put it in neon lights. It's sickening. But anyway, let's start with Trump at the United Nations. That speech was literally all about him. Now, this nastiness, this anti-U.N. nastiness that he delivered is vintage 1982 Ronald Reagan.

This has all been done before. None of it's new. When I was on Capitol Hill working as a junior staff member, and even before that, as an intern in the early 1980s, people would come and give us buttons to put on that said, withdraw from the United Nations. I never understood it. But here we are again. The United Nations was our idea. We hosted. Yeah, exactly. And we essentially control it. True.

So, I don't know. What he hoped to accomplish other than appearing like a tough guy, I don't get it, Ted. I don't know what this speech was about. Well, he certainly made his hardcore followers like Laura Lumer on Twitter very happy. Oh, yeah. She went nuts on whatever. truth social or whatever. That's all that this was for. But anyway, I mean, let's go through some of the low lights here, right? So Axios has this. So first of all, he thanked El Salvador

for running a gulag for us. That's awesome. I love this line. He said that the UN wasn't there for us. The UN isn't supposed to be there for us. It's not. It's supposed to be a peacekeeping body. Yes. And it's supposed to be there for the world, no particular country, no one country in particular, not for you. He said, you know, everybody thinks that he should get the Nobel Prize. Everyone. Not everyone. You know, this is like, I remember in middle school, someone threw a party at school and someone said, you know, everyone was there. And I'm like, I wasn't there. Okay. I'm not, I'm part of everyone. And I say he doesn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. Although I'd be willing to reconsider that if he were to reign in the Israelis and, you know,

and force, and in fact, cut off the Israelis and acknowledged Palestine and enforce the Palestinian state at the force of arms, I'll give him the peace prize myself. That's right. He complained about the, he complained that his company, the Trump organization, didn't get to renovate the UN. He said that he doesn't like the Tarotso floors. He would have gone with marble.

Of course he would have, Donald. Of course he would have. Of course he would have, and he would have given it. Yeah. Yes, he would. Lots of brass. He said that the mayor of London wants to impose Sharia law in London. I'm, you know, not an expert on London city politics, but I'm betting that's not true.

He said, your countries are going to hell. You're doing it because you want to be nice. He's talking about green energy. You want to be politically correct. And you're destroying your heritage. He was pissed off at windmills. He said that windmills are so pathetic. and so bad.

Yeah. Yeah, he's got a thing about windmills. Yes. Very, well, you know, I think... And he claims it's because he loves birds and that they kill birds. But birds aren't real. We've already established that. There's, they're government surveillance drones.

And also, I think, you know, I think, doesn't he have property in Scotland that would be, is near a planned windmill farm? That's right. And it's going to ruin the view, he says. That's really why he's against it. He said, climate change, this might be the most sub- substantive thing. He said that stupid people had made predictions about the effects of global warming. He called carbon footprint nonsense, said that the Paris climate agreement is fake. On that point,

I would agree, since it didn't accomplish anything, but that's probably not what he meant. And then he said, I remember hearing about the carbon footprint, and then Obama would get into Air Force One, a massive Boeing 747. Okay, so let me speak slowly, you small world, words, Mr. President. It's like one person changing to, like let's say Obama went home on a rowboat is not going to change climate change. We need systemic governmental international action to stem massive amounts of greenhouse gases. And even a giant plane like Air Force One is not going to be enough to make a difference here. He said that radicalized environmentalists want for there to be no more cows. I guess they want to kill all the cows.

And that reminded me, that's also an ongoing debunked Republican theme, that Democrats want to make it illegal to eat beef. That started in the 90s when someone started a rumor that Oprah Winfrey was trying to get the eating of beef outlawed. Of course, it was ridiculously. And she was sued by the state of, by the Texas, Cattleman's Association. That's right, by the Cattlemen's Association. That's exactly right. And here we are, 25 years, 30 years later, and Trump is still going on and on with these debunked false claims. It's a little worse with this Tylenol thing. Tylenol was not invented until 1950. And so, you know, there was plenty of autism before 1950. Oh, my God. But, but you know what, it would be easy for dumdums to believe. that that Tylenol was linked to autism because they're not going to Google when Tylenol was created where he blew it was then referring everybody to Dr. Oz's

phony vitamin supplements and saying that ordering Dr. Oz's vitamins would prevent autism. This is more retarded RFK stuff too. Yeah it is. I mean the thing is with look I'm extremely sympathetic to parents who have kids with autism. And, you know, I mean, I was terrified that my kid would have, might have autism. We did an amniocentesis to minimize the chances of that. So, I mean, seriously, I would love to find out what's causing it. But I don't know, and I don't think anyone knows, whether we're just talking about if the increase in reporting is it reflects an increase in prevalence or just improved or just improved reporting. I mean, I don't think in 1820, if little, if little Timmy

was, you know, off. I think everyone just said, little Timmy is off, and that was it. And nobody, you know, no one was keeping records on this. So we just don't know. There was a little girl in our church when I was a kid. She was maybe five years younger than I was. And I remember people just saying she was peculiar.

Well, now all these years later, it was, it's clear to me. It's obvious that she had autism. But nobody knew what autism was. 1975, you know? Right. Good point. Well, Anton Dalton says on the YouTube feed, global warming is BS. Global warming, I'm sorry, with all due respect, and I do appreciate that you're watching the show. It's really simple, very simple science. It's not BS. I mean, the fact is that the planet is heating. Average temperatures are increasing. You know, it's, you can, in most places where you live, you can see the difference.

if you're there for any length of time. And the effects are measurable. There are places that you're seeing effects on stuff that's been around for thousands of years, like glaciers that are melting. And like the point is, yes, there can be human-caused climate change, supplementing natural climate change. But what's happening now and what has never happened before is the rapidity of the current change that we're seeing.

That just has never occurred before. And it's really, you know, this wasn't questioned. This wasn't politicized at all until the 80s. And again, you mentioned Reagan. You know, he of the ketchup as a vegetable. That's when Republicans decided weaponizing anti-science. And, you know, I mean, almost all climatologists. It's like 99% plus all agree that climate change is happening.

All the predictions have actually turned out to be. be overly optimistic. It's accelerating much worse. I don't know. I mean, I hate the fact that we can't even agree on the facts, because how the hell are we going to talk about possible solutions if we can't even admit that there's a problem, John? Yeah, I think that's right. We, man, we are so far apart as a country on so many different issues. I just don't know how we can improve things. You know, part of the problem is that, is that it's so easy to convey false information and to have false information spread like wildfire. And actually, I said something false yesterday that one of our viewers corrected me on in an email, and I'm grateful for that. I said that

Sweden had not recognized Palestine. And Sweden not only has, but it's one of the earliest countries to recognize Palestine. So I apologize for that. It was Finland has not recognized Palestine. So my apologies. But anyway, you know, getting back to, it's easy to say, well, in the good old days when print media ruled, no, the New York Times pushed us into war with Iraq. The Washington Post has become a right-wing rag. It's not, it's not easy to just point to one reason why the country's gone down the toilet. There are lots of different reasons. Somebody asked also if I've given up hope of a of a pardon. I sound like it. And I have to keep telling myself back off. I mentioned yesterday I spoke to cut to Tucker Carlson the other day about the Charlie Kirk

Memorial Service. And he told me, he said, buddy, you got to back off on on Gaza. And I said, I can't help it. I can't remain silent. So. Well, that's, you know, that's never gotten you into trouble before, John. A big, a big, tall cup of shut the fuck up is not really John Kyriaku style. It's not my style. No. I was just telling, I filmed a podcast this morning in a studio here in Los Angeles. It was in Brentwood.

And the guy said to me, I know you. He said, you got an award. Like 10 years ago, I said, yeah, yeah. I got the Penn First Amendment Award. And he said, and then you got in a big fight with Francis Ford Coppola. And I said, yeah. And I called him a fucking asshole. And it made the LA Times.

Really? Yeah. I don't know about the Coppola. I said, I can't help myself. I just can't help myself. I don't ever change, Sean. Tom Wilcox, that's really funny. He says he remembers remembers, remembers me.

from college, Barnard Cafeteria at Columbia University. Yay. That's cool. I was indeed there. That is true. And that's, in fact, some of that is the subject of the John's interview with me for the Rumble premium stuff, which is just a reminder. Please, like, follow, and share the show, and watch us on Rumble. We need you to do that as much as possible. H.H.Q.95, as a mother of an autistic child, he, I assume Trump, is doing a huge disservice. Yeah, I think that's right. Hey, Ted, here's a question that I think you would be better at than me.

Big Boss Bob Ross says, do you read any modern socialist or leftist newspapers or publications about current events? The only one that I know, the only one I know that hasn't become corporate Democrat trash is Jacobin. I love Jacobin. I even started buying old issues of ramparts on eBay. I don't know why. That's really funny. I literally have been recently rereading old. old copies of monthly review the socialist quarterly monthly obviously um yeah now that jacobin's about

it um i actually have my complaints about jacobin because i feel like sometimes if you scratch those socialists you find a liberal a humphrey liberal democrat underneath um and uh you know i i prefer that they weren't so still kind of hoping that the democratic party could be reformed kind of thing just because I don't think it's true and therefore it's a waste of time and we we have be a better things to talk about the truth is really the best lefty stuff is overseas so oh there's that question yeah so but I mean yeah Jacobin's good I'm a little upset that Jacobin won't run my cartoons why won't they run your cartoons then you'd have to ask them they just just don't ha stevie's like I only read the Antifa daily I guess I guess we should talk about

that that's not actually on our topic for today we didn't have it on the list but whatever um so trump passed an executive order um not only declaring antifa as a domestic terrorist organization of which there's no such thing there's only international designated terrorist organizations but said that he's going to block the he's going to go after the funders of antifa and block their bank accounts okay so again small words slow speaking slowly. Antifa is like enwi and angst. It's an idea, okay? Like, you can't, it's like, it's like fascism itself. You can't, you can't stop the funders of fascism, because fascism is just an idea. There's no fascism bank account. There's no Antifa bank account. There's,

you know, I mean, there is, but you wouldn't know that to want to read X right now. All the mega people are going crazy like find the people who are funding it stop them put them in prison i'm like what is wrong with you why i mean if you want to go after george suros at least he exists yeah right i saw a meme on facebook yesterday it made me laugh out loud um it had a side by side two pictures on the left it was a picture of hitler and underneath it said fa and on the right it was a guy storming the beach of normandy and it says anti faa You choose. And it's true.

First of all, Antifa is an idea. It's not a club. You don't get a membership card when you join. You don't get put on the Antifa magazine monthly mailing list. Which I would read religiously. I would too. I would too. But to think that, first of all, nobody funds Antifa, unless somebody throws in 20 bucks

for printing flyers or whatever. But this is just another MAGA red herring that's going to come to nothing. Rebellious Rainbow Unicorn, I don't know what you mean by none of my comments are being accepted. Do you mean

being posted or do you mean like being discussed? DFC91, John, wants to know if you watched Tucker's new 9-11 documentary. I did. And I was just talking to a friend about it. less than an hour ago, he had an FBI guy on. See, now this is what I like to see. The argument is not over thermite paint or micro-explosive, you know, particles or the space aliens coming down to, you know, zap the building. The point of Tucker's interview with this FBI agent was that we knew

al-Qaeda was going to attack us. We knew the identities of the hijackers, but CIA and FBI refused to cooperate with one another, and the White House was so obsessed with China that they didn't even allow discussion of a potential attack by al-Qaeda. I got to say, you know, whether you like Tucker or hate Tucker,

lately, he's been coming out with stuff that it's very difficult for me to disagree with. It's because he doesn't answer to anybody anymore. That makes sense. I mean, I did not see the documentary, so I can't speak to it at all. You'd like it. Okay, I will check it out.

Well, should we talk about this? I mean, I really want to talk about this SIM thing. It's really, really bizarre. So in case, you know, for people who have been following it, Basically, this is very, this strikes me as very vague. I'm just going to read from CBS News, which I assume picked this up from a wire service. But the Secret Service says it has disrupted a sprawling telecom network here in the New York tri-state area, not in New York, but as close as 35 minutes away, that it says posed a denial

of service disruption threat to all of the New York phone systems, which would have really sucks because we might not have been able to do the show today, or at least I would not have been able to. And as a possible threat to the UN General Assembly, they said that they found active SIM farms, as in SIM cards, at abandoned apartment buildings at more than five sites. In total, they discovered 300 servers with 100,000 cards enabling encrypted anonymous communication that are capable of sending up to 30 million texts per minute. They said that servers were so powerful they could have disabled cell phone towers and launched distributed denial of services attacks that would have blocked even 911 services. One official briefed on

the investigation said that this could text the entire country within 12 minutes. It's well organized and well funded. We can't share which officials were targeted, but as the investigation continues, we expect that we will find more officials once we get the the data. They said that this was used for communication between foreign state actors and individuals known to U.S. law enforcement, including crime gangs, drug cartels, human trafficking rings, and my cat, Clovis. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's bizarre because it's like, I don't even know why they announced this, because they're not telling us, they're telling us sort of what. They're not telling us who, and they really don't seem to know why. I guess I might

have sat on this a little longer before I'm calling this press conference if I were them. I mean, what's going on here? I mean, is what they're saying even plausible? I mean, we've got to speculate. All I can think, Ted, is that this is the Chinese. This is one of the things that the Chinese are very, very good at. They're very patient. They rely heavily on tech. And, We know that they have been buying up land around U.S. military bases in, in odd places like North Dakota or Nebraska. And then they're building like server farms, for example, which is likely a cover. But they're really good at it. They're really patient.

And I think that's exactly what we're seeing here. So is the goal to basically have infrastructure in place? that if the time came and there were a cyber war and or a hot war, they could flip a switch and just turn us off? Yes, exactly right. That's exactly what it's for. And see, this shows you, too, how much better other countries' intelligence services are

than ours at long-term planning. So how do you think this was found? I mean, do you think that it was, do you think that the U.S. maybe satellite scans for the signals and found this like a cluster of signals all in these five locations or you know i mean or maybe the power bill was crazy at these abandoned sites i know that's how they find meth labs it's from the power bills are crazy power yeah it's from the power in fact in afghanistan there there was a brigadier general that i was working with

and he showed me a satellite photo of afghanistan of rural afghanistan at night and there were these little pinpricks of light all over the place and he said every one of those is a meth lab it gets really really hot when you make meth and it gets hot in those little huts to the point where the satellites can read the heat um this may have been it it may have been another thing look somebody's got to be hired to you know sweep the place and mop the floors you know and change the uh the air filters and stuff. And maybe somebody just said, what is this place anyway?

And then reported it. But then they might be, but then, so then would the Chinese typically work with, you know, drug dealers and, you know, syndicate criminals here in the United States?

I mean, that's sort of the, that's what the article is claiming. Well, there was an issue in New York two years ago where that's exactly what they were doing. They were working with criminal gangs. They happened, of course,

to be Chinese criminal gangs. gangs. And the idea was that these criminal gangs were helping them locate Chinese and Chinese Americans in America who were anti-Chinese government. And they would just knock on the door. And when these people answered the door, give them a good beating or harass them or threaten them or tell them you have to come back to China or we're going to kill your family and they go back to China and they're imprisoned. There's all kinds of bad shit going on. So the General Assembly thing probably was just a coincidence of timing.

I'm almost positive that it was a coincidence, yeah. I mean, because what would be the motive of shutting down? I mean, that would expose them, right? Yes, it would expose them, right? So you would think that they would be especially quiet during a major. event like the UN General Assembly. That's, it's such a bizarre plot. Do you think we're going to hear more, or is this going to be just one of those?

I mean, do you think, you know, the United States will summon the Chinese ambassador and complain? Probably. And then what happens? I've actually been in meetings where the U.S. ambassadors called in and read the Riot Act. And his job is to stand there and act as innocent as he possibly can and just say, I don't know what you're talking about.

That guy that was arrested, he was not a CIA officer under deep cover. He was just some guy. And so I'm sorry if you're upset. I'm sorry if you feel that your sovereignty has been violated. But that's just not our guy. And then secretly, the station chief will go to the head of the local service and say, all right, you made your point. Give me my guy back.

And then they turn him over. Kyle Carpenter is asking, I work as an engineer for, for telecom development in the U.S. Should I be concerned that our projects are being used, I guess, hijacked by foreign intelligence? Oh, I would say you should be worried that the Chinese and maybe the Russians and definitely the Israelis are trying to infiltrate your workplace. Yeah.

Oh, U.S. Triple X. I like the way he thinks. If this was Israel and not Russia or China, would we ever hear? about this story again or do we ever hear about this story again yeah that's a good question uh if it if it was israel no we'll never hear this story again it's just going to go away it they'll just pretend like like it never happened pasta chef once this is a question for you this is pertinent to what you and i were talking about earlier john he's still meeting the president of iran uh actually no um for a couple of reasons well first of all it was supposed to be

tonight, the 23rd. I got an email from the Iranian mission to the United Nations saying that there was a delay in the State Department issuing a visa to President Posseschkian. So he's arriving tomorrow and he is not meeting with American peace activists anymore. There were supposed to be the six of us. And instead he's going to meet with a small group of Iranian Americans on Friday evening. It's a shame. Oh, he was going to bring a press officer with him

from press TV and that journalist was denied a visa. So he's coming with no media support. Okay, Chris Maddoch. Thank you very much for the donation. Did you guys see, by the way, if you're looking to

donate to us on YouTube, that question came up yesterday. Please, we have about a month to sort something out over on YouTube, and those super stickers should be restored at that point. But in the meantime, if you'd like to donate, please donate to us over on Rumble. Did we see the Secret Service foiled and alleged plot?

Oh, it's never mind. This is so we just literally talked here. So they claim there's only three countries that would do that, China, Russia, and Israel. Well, we just answered that question. So John thinks it's China, and I'm not going to complain about that. are very, very sophisticated.

They're not great at recruiting human sources. They never have been. And partly it's because Chinese intelligence officers generally as a group do not have a terrific command of the English language. Well, that would do it. Yeah, hard for them to recruit people. It's like, you want me to do what? You want me to spy on what?

Who? And yes, any pomp. ominous, it likely would have negatively affected my partner efforts. See, I have trouble controlling myself. Rob Newman says, us too seem to have a healthy stock of American memorabilia you've collected. Ever thought of doing a John and Ted Antique Roadshow? Oh, I would totally do that. We could do that here on the air.

Be awesome. Bring together some of our favorite things. Yeah. I definitely have, I know, John, you have a lot. And right now I have my eyes on eBay on this James K. Polk token that I'm dying to have. I've been looking for it for a long time. Starting bid, though, is over $1,100. And I'm still, you know, you and I know the financial state that we're in.

But it's like one of those pieces that, like, would really fill a hole in my collection because I don't have a Polk. Wow, that would be very good. Have you looked at heritage auctions? Oh, yeah. Heritage is, I've gotten just marvelous things at Heritage. You know, one thing that I was outbid on that I really should have doubled down on was the original key to Abraham Lincoln's tomb. Ooh.

I went up to 1,500. Is it authenticated? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a provenance that goes like from the minute they turned the lock for the first time. I went up to 1,500, and it ended up going for like six grand. It was projected to go for 1,000 to 1,500. Wait, is the lock still there? Could you get in there if you had that key?

No, no, they've changed the tomb twice. Okay. Because in the early 1900s, somebody tried to steal his body to try to hold it for ransom. As one does. Hey, that's what Hamas is doing. And that's what they did to Evita Perone. They stole her body. And it was missing for years.

But anyway, with Lincoln, they ended up making this gigantic private mausoleum. The whole Lincoln family is in there except for Robert Todd, who's in Arlington Cemetery. You know, he was supposed to, there's a little footnote in history. Robert Todd Lincoln, he was the only Lincoln child to survive to adulthood. And he became Secretary of War under President. McKinley, and then he became ambassador to the United Kingdom, and then he became president of the Pullman Train Car Company, and that's where he got rich and retired.

But when he died in 1920, 1921, something like that, everybody just assumed that he would be buried in the Lincoln family mausoleum in Springfield. And his wife said no, that he had served in the U.S. Union Army during the Civil War. He had served as an ambassador. He had served as the Secretary of War. She said his father was a very important man, but he was an important man too, and he deserves some recognition. So she insisted that he'd be buried in Arlington. He's there with his wife and his son, and then the Lincoln family name died out in 1972, and there are no more direct descendants of Abraham Lincoln.

That's, that's, that's, that's, that's a, that is very interesting and, and, and weird. Um, okay, all right. So, and, um, any Pomenos wants to know, what's a good way to get into vintage collecting, especially for a beginner? Oh, yeah. What a great question. Uh, any recommended, uh, resources. Yes, yes and yes.

So listen, I think Ted's going to agree. It's all about provenance. Mm-hmm. all of it provenance is where you can you can list the ownership from the time it was first made or first bought or first conceived or whatever you can trace that ownership right down to the point where it comes into your possession for example um i have i have three of people are going to think i'm weird i have three of abraham lincoln's hair strands of hair Did I mention this the other day?

I don't think so, no. Well, I have three strands of Lincoln's hair, and it's not exciting hair, like, you know, from... You could clone him. You could give it to colossal, and have him brought back, like the do-no bird. It doesn't include the roots. And the reason it doesn't include the roots is, you know, today, when we see somebody famous, we want to take a selfie together. And for the previous hundred years, we would see somebody famous, and we would want to

get their autograph. Well, in the 19th century, people collected hair from important people. And so, especially like royal family members or famous stage actors or politicians, people would write them letters and say, you know, dear Mr. Lincoln, may I have some of your hair for my collection. So when famous people would go to get haircuts, the barber would collect the hair and give it to them in a bag. And anytime somebody would write a letter, a fan letter, you'd take a a few strands out. You put it in the envelope and say, oh, you asked me for my hair. Here it is. And loved ones often kept a lock of hair in a lock. Yes. Yes. And so it's all about provenance. Now, the hair that I have was given to the daughter of the governor of Indiana. The governor

was a friend of Lincoln's and his daughter was like a fan girl. And so she gave it to her daughter and that daughter gave it to her son and it went down through his family and then in the 1950s it was sold to this guy who was like the the preeminent most prolific lincoln collector that ever existed half of what's on the market now once belonged to him he cataloged the provenance of everything he had and then when he died his wife put it on sale and i bought it at auction that's cool though um i agree completely with um one of the more recent comments uh elizia something said it's all about like uh collecting uh stuff that you really know about yes yes you know just and and do that um hold on start out with collecting only one thing and research everything on

that item that's correct um i think that's that's exactly right i mean So basically, you also have to be prepared to get ripped off a little bit. So political buttons and tokens are my thing, particularly national, but not exclusively, national races. And what happens is after a while, you start to notice certain things. Like, for example, if a pin from the 19-teens and 20s is over half an inch in diameter, be suspicious because most people didn't wear big pins. back then. They didn't make big pins. They were super small, like a quarter of an inch, sometimes just even smaller than that. Like the size of a dime. A big one would be the size of a nickel. Yeah, yeah. So like, for example, this is the Dr. Swallow, 1896. He ran, he ran as the

Prohibition Party candidate for governor of New York. That's a cheaper, man. It's cool, right? Look at that magnificent beard, right? Oh, and by the way, let me interrupt you for a second. I found your Eugene V. Deb's statue, currently on sale on eBay, starting bid, $500. Nice. Nice. So far, that's a good investment. Eugene Deb's stuff is very collectible, ironically, considering his politics. I have some, I have like about six Eugene Deb's pinbacks that are authentic. And you start to notice certain things, you know, just like the construction of the pins. But you do get ripped off. You're going to buy a few things and you can be like, ah, shit, this is fake. And, you know, if you paid a lot for it, you should return it and

complain and stuff. But you will just start to notice the patterns. You can buy books. You can research. But I think also when you know the stories and you know the history, you know, when you know like a lot about the topic you're interested in, it matters. So, for example, someone in the chat said that they had some Osama bin Laden ephemera. When I was in the northern areas in northern Pakistan in 2000, 2001, I bought like an Osama bin Laden t-shirt from an al-Qaeda recruiting office. It was in the window. I had to have it.

Now, of course, obviously, like, let's say I'm selling that to someone. Like, they have to, first of all, there's provenance. They know I was there. I could prove I was there. I have photographs of myself there at the time. But also, you know, you wouldn't expect a high quality, silk screen because it's fucking northern Pakistan right so like you're just look so it's kind of like there's certain things that you know you want to and you're going to look at like who made the

t-shirt um just like little details like that um but it's it's a you know a lot of these hobbies are super fun because they tell like lincoln's hairs it's the story it's not about you know fucking hairs it's about it's Abe lincoln and then like how why do you have his hairs and how do they get there that's what makes it's so fascinating. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more. I just love it. They're almost like, like sports cards that are now called relic cards where it's got a little scrap of, of the player's uniform or a little piece off of his shoe or whatever. I mean, in most cases, they're not worth anything. Little kids love to collect them because they're unusual and

something special. But there are some of them that you're like, no, you know, I saw one the other day. It was for sale for $5,000, and it included just a little scrap, like I'm going to say, a half inch by a half inch from Babe Ruth's uniform. And it had, it was accompanied by a picture of Babe Ruth in the uniform. And with a red circle, they circled where the swatch came from. You could tell because it was like, there were two different colors. It was like part of the number and part of the lighter color of the uniform. Cool stuff. you know and and what are things worth things are worth what somebody's willing to pay you for them

that's true and i love um i love baseball and i love walter johnson greatest baseball player to ever come out of the washington dc area the greatest right-handed pitcher in the history of the game and i mean he retired a hundred and five years ago so i said to a friend of mine who's an expert on t206 baseball cards he's actually published the world's leading you know study on T-206 baseball cards. They used to come in packs of cigarettes. So they're only from the 1909, 1910, and 1911 season. My son and I collect them.

Well, I buy them, and then I give them to my son is what it is. So I called this buddy of mine who published the big book, and I said, what should I buy? And he said, I just found a Walter Johnson with an unusual back from polar bear cigarettes. most of the backs were from Piedmont cigarettes. So polar bears are unusual. I said, how much is it? He said, $665. I said, I'll take it.

So I then moat him $665. That was like just as COVID was hitting. And then he called me two, three weeks ago and he offered me $3,000 for it. It's this big. It's just a baseball card. And it's not even in very good condition. But stuff is worth what somebody is willing. Well, it's like the James K. Polk thing that I'm after.

It's small. I mean, it's the size of a dime. And, you know, it's just they call it a shell token. And it's got the little picture, a little stamp of his vice presidential running mate. Or his vice president, I should say, not his running mate. Dallas. And it's very, very cool. And James K. Polk was a.

a very cool, underrated president. Yeah. So, you know, there's that story, too. All right. For the, for the, there was a request in the chat to get rid of one super annoying troll. He is now gone. Robbie would have taken care of this faster than I was able to, but I apologize for how long it took me to get to it. Okay.

Well, there are people, well, Steve and Victor Andrews, I have a whole story about John Walker. Linde um okay so the only thing is you know john one thing about collecting and we should move on a little bit to the news um is like it it gets hard once you have a great collection yeah and it's like so it's kind of like it's almost sad like people will be like oh you know i have this jimmy carter pin and you know i'm very grateful but you know probably i already have it right and so i mean like in And it's sort of like my record collection is like that. Like for punk a new wave, it's 99% comprehensive. It's highly unlikely.

I will ever find, I cannot ever again in my life go to a cool record store and find a record that I didn't previously had. Maybe on eBay, if I keep searching diligently, I'll find one. But it's like, and it's kind of sad when it gets to that point. Because it's like, you know, you feel snotty. Like, oh, you know, like, yeah. you know, yeah, I have all the McKinley's, and there's a lot of McKinley's. No, but you know what the next step for you then is, Ted, is to do a book.

Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, but like a coffee table book with really great photography. I am thinking also of political, I know, like, it's like this, it'll sound insane. But political ribbons are like, seem like an undervalued, you know, collectible. There used to be campaign ribbons that were magnificent, long, like five inches long and beautiful patterns. Pardon? Most didn't survive. Yeah, that's right.

And I actually, I'm kind of really interested in cloth collectibles, like, because of the fact that they're so unlikely to survive. In the election of 1888, there were a lot of cloth buttons between Grover, Cleveland, and Benjamin Harrison. And I'm always on the lookout for those because if you have it, it's like not only is it from 1888, which is cool enough, but on top of that, it's cloth and it's still here. You know, I was visiting my sister. My sister lives in Bedford, New Hampshire. I love it up there. So I'm visiting my sister. And all of New England is just full of antique shops.

Oh, yeah. And so I'm at an age now, like you are, Ted. where I'm not just going to buy just random crap that happens to look fun in an antique shop. It has to fit into a collection. Sure enough, we're in this place in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, and it's a tea service. And the only reason I paid any attention to it is that the little sign said it had been owned by Buzz Aldrin. Oh, the astronaut. Yeah.

And so I asked the woman that was working there, I said, what can you tell me about? this this tea service it was like tea service for for six i think it was and she said oh she goes actually that's mine it was my mother um she said my mother grew up next door to buzz aldrin and um when his her mother got married buzz aldrin couldn't make it to the um to the wedding because he was like you know going to the moon or something i don't know and so he sent them this this tea service and i'm thinking the whole time provenance provenance you say it belonged to buzz aldrin and she said i still have the card that he wrote that he sent with the tea service and it was she had it underneath one of the saucers so she showed it to me and it says you know dear maggie

i'm so sorry that i'm not able to make it to the wedding i bought you this tea service I hope you enjoyed in good health, your friend, Buzz Aldrin. And I said, well, how much are you asking for all this? And she said, $80. And I was like, $80 with the provenance that includes the signed card from Buzz Aldrin. So I bought it. Done. What we had to do with some old ladies tea service?

I have no idea. It's in a box. But it's kind of cool. I'll give it to one of my kids eventually. Yeah, the purchase is like a huge thing. I studied under Robert Paxton, who's, the fascism expert at Columbia. And he had this amazing portrait.

He collected propaganda art, as do I. And he had this amazing poster of Marshall Pétain, the ruler of Vichy, France. And it was, you know, who was the fascist leader of, he was the ultimate collaborator, quizzling motherfucker. Yeah. And there's a picture of him looking all old and, you know,

which he was. He was like 85. And it says, in French, like, do you know better than him how to run the country it's like how awesome is that it's like yeah i do fucking know better than how to run the country biggest asshole ever and so so he's like he said he was in a little junk shop he had like 14 dollars to his name and it was like the guy was like it's 14 dollars and it's like i'm not going to be able to you know get the metro home it's like i don't take it or leave it and the guy's like i'll take it and he like walked across parents

with it. And I'm like, oh my God. And I had an incident like that happened, like shortly thereafter, after Paxton told me that story. This was in the 80s. I'm in Lower Manhattan in this little junk shop. It was called Our Lady of Shinbone Alley. It was right next to the old Tower Records on Shinbone Alley. If you're a real New Yorker, you know where that is. It's between Broadway and Lafayette down in the village. And anyway, it was this old dude. It was like esoteric junk shop. There were LPs. There were old dolls. It was one guy, like, wearing a wifebeater t-shirt. He had, like, mustard stains in his armpits, smoking cigars.

Like, you know, like, if anyone's ever a pedophile, it was him. And, like, it's just a gross dude. And he's like, what are you looking for? And I'm like, oh, you know, I like political buttons. I don't have any of those. Anything else? I'm like, yeah, I like political cartoons. He goes, well, I got these.

And he pulls out this box. and he puts and he pulls it out he goes eight dollars take them all and so i opened it up and they're heavy and i knew immediately like so this is literally like my retirement fund they were thomas nast originals from harpers there's a 54 of them and they're all from harpers and and i at first i was like wait are these like are these prints it's like and i was like i know yeah i'm a political cartoonist. I know I know originals. And it was like, this is original artwork. And in beautiful condition, he's like, take it all, eight bucks. And I was a poor college student. And I literally had $8 and like 15 cents on me. And I'm like, well, I'm not going to like Paxton. I was like,

I'm not going to be able to take the subway home. And I didn't feel comfortable about jumping the turn style because like I'd lose my NASS. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like, he's like, you know, okay, well, take it or leave it. So it was in the East Village. I was attending Columbia. So, and it was raining. So I asked him for a bag and a plastic bag. I wrapped it all up and I carried these heavy fucking things all the way from 8th Street to 116th Street,

from the east side to the west side. It was like, it took three or four hours to get home. By the time I got home, I was miserable, smelled bad. But I was like, I got to have these. And I've kept them through thick and thin. And, you know, I'm really glad that I did because they're worth a lot of money now. Man, that is fantastic. They've got to be worth a ton of money.

Yeah, I mean, they typically go for about $100 or $120,000 each. So it's a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah, they're safe and sound. Don't break into my house. I don't have them in my house. Wow. Good for you.

But it's like I've always said it was my retirement plan. So, I mean, of course, it's also funny because the Ohio State University Art Museum, Cartoon Art Museum, they were like, they got wind of my NAST's, and they were like, oh, you know, would you, you should really consider donating them to the museum. And I'm like, gee, I think I will donate exactly as many as NASC originals to OSU as I have, as the number of speaking invitations. I've received from OSU, which is donut hole. So it's like I will be keeping those and selling them else. Sotheby's will be getting my nests. But anyway. Yeah.

So let's see. Do we have any other things to discuss here? Oh, yeah, we should talk about Duterte, yeah? Yeah, we should. So Duterte, like, he was basically sort of like a, a, more vicious version of Donald Trump. Yeah. When he became the president of the Philippines back in 2013,

he basically was like, I'm going to literally have my cops clean up the streets of Manila and other cities by kill. And granted, the Philippines had a massive drug problem at the time. And he's like, like Malay in El Salvador, I am going to have, I'm going to kill them. I'm literally going to he campaigned on this. I'm going to murder drug dealers. And so he was elected and true.

to his word. He did. He had death squads go out and they were cops for the most part and paramilitaries and they went out and worked the streets and just fucking gun them down like dogs. And by all accounts, it worked. It really put a dent in the

drug business in these cities. But he's also a fucking butcher and a maniac. Yeah, you can't do that. No. Well, apparently he could until he couldn't. So now he's been he's in the clutches of the international criminal court, and today he got charged.

He is currently facing charges for 76 murders. My only regret is that he's not bunking with Beebe. Yeah, seriously. I have to agree. Yeah. Beebe's been charged, but he'll never face the music. No. Not a chance.

I am pleasantly surprised that the Filipinos would actually put cuffs on him and put them on a plane and send him to the Hague. That was a surprise to me. Me too. Exactly what they did. Abby Marie wants to know, what are our thoughts on 50 states, one Israel? I don't know about this. One of my friends went on it, and I don't know if I'll be able to depro-propagandize him.

I don't know what that is. Okay, I don't know what that is either. Hey, John, did you see Macron had to walk 30 minutes because the streets are blocked? Yeah, they closed the streets on the east side of Manhattan for Donald Trump's motorcade and kept them closed. And poor Macron had to get out of his limo and walk the rest of the way to the United Nations.

Crazy. Okay. It looks like I have some more, some more blocking to do. It's boring. It's boring. I'll take care of that. Here we go. You can't stop me. Incorrect. Ron. Who was that? I. Allah. Hey, Andrew Wistamante. Welcome. him. And he was a CIA officer.

We've talked about him a number of times, and he and I had a nice debate on the Danny Jones show. Oh, a year and a half, two years ago? Great. Okay. All right. It's so funny. Everybody's coming in.

So, let's see. Have we ever seen the Sicario films? I don't know what the Sicario films are. so I'm going to assume I did not see them. I apologize. I don't know either. All right. Well, widow, butta, are there jobs in the CIA for people with microbiology degrees?

Absolutely, yes. There is room in the CIA for people with any degree. I tell the story that on my very first day in the agency, when we're in the bubble, the CIA auditorium, getting our briefings from. you know, insurance and security and everybody. I was sitting next to two people, a guy on my left and a woman on my right, and I asked them where they had come from.

The woman had just graduated from the Falls Church, Virginia, Academy of Beauty. And they made her into a master disguise maker. And the guy on my left had been a cartoonist in the school paper. And they turned him into a master forger. So if you've got either a specialty or the ability to develop a specialty, yeah, there's room for you. I used to have a great interest in counterfeiting. I didn't do it. But I did have a little business as a forger when I was in middle school and high school. I basically would forge excuses.

notes so that my classmates could get out of school and take a sick day. So the business was pretty sophisticated. I'd have them collect copies of their of their parents' letterhead and stationary. I'd keep them on file. I'd have them secure copies, Xerox copies or copies of their handwriting. And then when the date, when the note was needed, please excuse John. John was out yesterday with the flu he will be back tomorrow he will make up his homework and these letters i got to say were so good that they always passed muster and on more than one occasion the parent literally late much later was asked about it and it was like well that is me that is my writing and that is my paper so yeah i must have written it ted um you and i the last night is saying that

that we changed our positions on the Charlie Kirk assassination. Oh, so? Really? How so? I don't think that I changed my position. Yeah, the last night says, John, is there any chance you can address the total 180 opinion from your latest deep focus podcast concerning the Charlie Kirk incident?

Then yesterday, both you guys really had some bad comments. I've been a fan. Maybe if the commenter could be more specific. Yeah, last night, can you write a little bit more about that? Because I'm confused, but I'm happy to address it, whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, the thing is, there's so many aspects to this, right?

Like, was Charlie Cook, you know, I mean, I've been very consistent. I think we've both been consistent about saying he did not have it coming. You know, he wasn't the, you know, I mean, he wasn't evil or anything like that. He definitely had some reprehensible politics in some respects. I think the worst thing about Charlie Kirk was this, this hit list, this snitch list that he maintained on college professors. You know, this is, if you're a free speech warrior, which he claimed to be, you can't be, you know, threatening to get people fired over their free speech. And, you know, you can say, like, well, it's legal to do that if it's a private institution. Sure, but don't try to get people fired over their free speech.

I mean, the First Amendment should protect your free speech, even in a private enterprise, even though it doesn't. But, yeah, I mean, you know, by the way, I don't claim to always be consistent on things. Human beings are not. You know, I'm wondering if it's, the episode of. deep focus that night is talking about is where I interviewed Elizabeth Lane. She's an investigative journalist with Unified Television. And she was at the hospital when Charlie Kirk was pronounced dead. Interestingly enough, there were no other major media members at the hospital just because there was no major media covering his talk at Utah Valley University. Because it was a

same thing you would do time after time after time at campuses across the uh the country um i think i said in deep focus that that is killing deserves um deserves a fulsome investigation hmm um i believe the kid did it i don't i don't have any reason to believe the israelis did it or right you know the the antifa did it or whatever um but i don't think i've changed my position. I've been pretty consistent with that. John, James Gamalas wants to know, this is for you. And he thought of doing an update on the return of the Parthenon Marbles. You know what, that's it. There's movement. The Elgin Barbarbar is right, by the British Museum. No, no, no, no, we don't call it the Elgin Marbles.

I wanted to see what you would say. There's been real movement in the past week. I'll tell you, the The Brits finally got to the point where they realized this is untenable. They're going to have to return them. So the idea from the British side was that they'll send them back to Greece as a permanent loan. And the Greeks are like, no, we're not going to play that game. They belong to us. They were stolen from us. They are a major part of our national patrimony.

We want them back free and clear. And Greece has a beautiful museum Because the Brits argument used to be Used to be like, oh well You know, the Greeks are dorks They don't have a place to put them We keep them nice and air conditioned. Everything's cool. It's like, but...

Well, I'll tell you what, the Acropolis Museum Is way better than the British Museum In terms of physical plant. This is an A-list Like, globally ranked museum. Yeah, the British Museum is like a musty, old. it's an old school place yeah so just over the past week reports have leaked out that the Brits are preparing to give them back because of a previously scheduled renovation of the room at the British Museum where the marbles are kept and so the idea would be that they would say they're loaning the marbles to the Greeks and then never ask for them back and then the Greeks would say oh, the British returned the

Parthenon Marbles, so everybody's happy now. We've never been this close. Well, I hope it's honestly, it is way fucking overdue. All right, we should probably wrap up with Jimmy Kimmel. So Jimmy Kimmel, you know, ABC kicked

him off the air. I think we all assumed it was going to be permanent because usually whenever a show is suspended, it never comes back. But obviously there was a lot of blowback, a lot of stars, said they would not work with Disney or ABC anymore. If this went through,

there were discussions over the weekend. And adding to the complexity, right, it's like ABC affiliates are their own company. There's Sinclair, there's Next Star. So Next Star, and I'm not sure where Sinclair is standing, but Next Star is saying, we're not going to air it. So basically, depending on which city you're in, Jimmy will either be on your local ABC affiliate like nothing ever happened,

or he'll be somewhere else, like randomly, or he won't be anywhere at all, and you'll have to watch him online if you're interested. I think this is overall, I mean, without the next star in Sinclair's stuff, this would be undoubtedly a loss for Donald Trump in terms of his prestige, and it would be a win for the First Amendment. But it's a little more mixed and muddled because of this situation with the distributors. yeah i think that's right um you know trump declared victory on this last week that jimmy

was gone next one is going to be i forget who he said yeah uh and phallan all the jimmies that's right phallin like anybody cares about jimmy phallon so my my brother's wife i'm staying in their home right now my brother's wife is the director of animation at disney and so she picks up all kinds of great scuttle butt at disney And she came back yesterday and said that, well, there were two points that she made. Number one, everybody is absolutely furious with Bob Eiger, the CEO of Disney, because he buckled again. He buckled when ABC, which Disney owns, agreed to pay that $18 million defamation payment to Donald Trump. And then he buckled again by suspending Jimmy Kimmel.

So number one, people want Eiger to go, which he should for other reasons, too. The other thing is that as a standard part of the agreement that Disney has, Disney ABC has with local affiliates, if there's a show that local affiliates don't want to run, as we're seeing now with Kimmel, ABC has the right to give the show to affiliates of other networks in those markets. So, you and I could watch Kimmel on ABC tonight, but he might be on NBC in Tuscaloosa, and he might be on CBS in Mobile, and he might be on Fox, you know, somewhere else. So let's talk about the content. I'm hearing that Jimmy is going to be forced to make some sort of mea culpa. He's going to have to say, like, sorry I was insensitive or whatever. which is, frankly, very gay that he has to do that. And, but anyway, I mean, I kind of get it.

It's a lot of money, and he wants to keep getting it. As Jordan points out, Sinclair not only wants an apology, but a donation for Turning Port USA before letting Jimmy on. I don't think Jimmy can possibly agree to that, right? Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. So, I, this is really going to be the, the tell as to where late-night television goes after this.

I watched what's his face on HBO last night, the British guy. And he was just dropping F-bombs every fourth or fifth word and, you know, like daring, daring the administration, daring the FCC to do something about it. So I don't know. I think we're seeing a little bit of a tempest in the teapot here. It's going to be fun to watch in the coming couple of weeks.

Hey, the SaaS here. the better. Yeah, I agree. I love this. The average age of broadcast TV watchers is 65, says Stephen Victor Andrews. I would not, I'm not even going to check that because that sounds right to me. I used to say, this is kind of like the statistic we used to have about print newspaper readers, and it was like, the average age of a print newspaper reader kept increasing one year every year. And I was like, well, eventually, the average newspaper reader will be dead. Yeah. That's right. that's right

yeah yeah that's true and we'll see tell you the truth John Oliver yeah that's right that's yeah it's John Oliver I appreciate that I stopped watching late night TV when Leno finished

I never like I never like Jimmy Fallon because he always I always like Jimmy Fallon because he always laughs to his own jokes drives me crazy I hate that too I look Kimmel only because he seems like a nice guy but otherwise I don't know

I just don't pay any attention anymore. It can't be all bad. He dated Sarah Silverman. That's right. And she's fun. She's cute. All right. So with that, I think we will just leave it there.

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