DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “UK To Recognize Palestine”

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Get insider CIA dish on a pair of stories on today’s “DeProgram show with political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou,” streaming live at M-W-F 5 pm ET and available 24-7. Chime in with your questions and comments for John and Ted! • UK to Recognize Palestine: Prime Minister Keir Starmer says the UK will formally recognize Palestine at the UN this September—unless Israel halts its Gaza genocide and manmade famine. Which countries are next? Can Israel stop this move and should they care? • Iran’s GPS Switcher: Iran plans to abandon U.S.-run GPS, possibly in favor of China, after U.S.-Israeli nuclear site strikes. Tech sovereignty is spreading. What are the global tech fallout risks as distrust of the U.S. spreads? • Is Israel Losing the Right? U.S. evangelical and conservative support for Israel, previously reliable, is on the wane. GOP stalwarts like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene are criticizing its Gaza war as genocide. US ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, visits a West Bank town attacked by settlers. Joe Rogan is boycotting Bibi. Can Israel get its right-wing groove back? • Tom Sylvester’s CIA Exit: CIA’s Deputy Director of Operations retires after losing a prestigious London post due to controversial book quotes. His exit sparks leadership concerns. What’s next at the CIA? • Sandy Grimes’ Legacy: The CIA mole hunter at 80, famous for exposing Aldrich Ames. Her counterintelligence work reshaped the agency. What’s her legacy?

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I'm the editorial cartoonist. Thank you so much for joining us. It's Wednesday, July 30th, 2025. It's 5 p.m. on the East Coast. Thanks for joining us on the Rumble feed, on the YouTube feed. And everywhere else, you're listening also to people just listening. to the audio. We appreciate you too. Please like, follow and share the show. Lots to talk about today as always. We talked about that this might happen, John. I didn't think it would happen

this fast. No way. The UK is almost certainly going to recognize Palestine at the UN General Assembly this September. Well, that's our lead. We're going to be talking about interesting news out of Iran, where Iran's leading the way in abandoning U.S. tech, namely GPS, and I, You know, we could see a lot more of this kind of thing coming in the very near future from all over the world. Super interesting, look into the future. Is Israel losing the American right, the evangelicals who have been their loyal supporters? Marjorie Taylor Green is criticizing the Gaza war as genocide. She's right, of course, but it's amazing to hear her and people like her saying anything like that.

Two CIA-related stories that there's no way, I'm going to let you off. the hook, John, from talking about. Tom Sylvester is out at the CIA, and Sandy Grimes, the lady who caught Aldrich Ames, died at the age of 80. We'll talk about her legacy. And we'll talk about breaking news and anything else that comes up. And of course, if you have questions, please put them into the feeds, and we always pick up on them and post them and talk about them. But we've got lots of stuff to talk about. So Kirstarmer, he kind of like gave it, kind of give, some people are interpreting this as a woossey move, but he basically said he'll recognize Palestine in September, unless Israel comes to its senses and agrees to a ceasefire. They've been the ones

who have been breaking all the ceasefires up until now. And so, you know, obviously Israel's not going to do that. So by definition, the UK will, will draw. join France. And there's a whole parcel of other countries who are interested in doing it, too. So let's get to it. Yeah, let's start, if you don't mind, with Tom Sylvester. Oh, thank you very much, Marble. Let's do Tom Sylvester. I just want to get this out of the way because we have so much to talk about related to Gaza. Tom Sylvester is the CIA's deputy director for operations. And in that position, he's, you can argue, the number three or number four official in the CIA. He's in charge of all CIA operations around the world. This is a job that

every CIA case officer aspires to. And by all accounts, he's been very popular among the rank and file. Well, if you've been the deputy director for operations, your final pre-retirement job is normally that you're named station chief in London. That is the one job that everybody in the CIA aspires to. Everybody wants to be the station chief in London. So he was named station chief in London several months ago. But over the course of those several months, he gave an interview to Tim Wiener, who is the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of several books on the CIA. There's one coming out soon called The Mission that, thank you, Eric, that several

outlets are excerpting. and apparently CIA director John Radcliffe didn't like the fact that he spoke with Tim Weiner. Now, normally the director of the CIA will instruct his officers to work with authors, especially with Tim Weiner. But whatever it is that Tom Sylvester said, it apparently pissed people off. And so the job was unceremoniously yanked from under him. He will not be the CIA station chief in London.

Director Ratcliffe informed MI6, apparently yesterday, that Sylvester will not be the CIA station chief in London. And so today, Sylvester announced his retirement, effective immediately. He's just going to take his pension and go home. Now, most of the time, senior officers, even if they're disgruntled, will keep their mouths shut. The fact that he's already spoken to Tim Weiner makes me think, the story's note over, we're going to hear more. So that's that.

So my father, my father worked in government, specifically in the U.S. Air Force for years at the upper echelons. And he told me, and John, tell me if this is correct. that usually when you know you're about to retire, that's your one chance to vent and blow up. You know you're going to retire anyway, and you've had stuff that you wanted to say. You've got one big thing you want to do, someone you want to blow up, some boss who was an asshole, and then this is when you do it. And then you retire and they can't get you. Is that basically what happened here?

100%. 100%. And I'll tell you my own experience. My last tour when I resigned from the agency was at the United Nations in New York. And my station chief, Mary Margaret Graham and I did not like each other even not a little bit. And so a couple of days before I left, she threatened me. threatened me with with putting out what's called a burn notice against me oh yeah i saw that tv show yeah she she threatened me with a burn notice and i laughed at her i was in her office and of course

she had her little witness there the chief of operations who was just a little dwarf so um I said uh I said I'm not afraid of your threats burn notice, I said, come on, you forget that when I made this recent recruitment, you congratulated me by telling me to take petty cash and go get myself a blowjob. I said, what do you think the Washington Post would say about that? Or the New York Times? Because as God is my witness, I'm going to call them and tell them. And she immediately backed off. Wow. By the way, I do want to answer. Maybe you can. and answer this question. Marble

is asking, why is London a desirable post? It's like the top post, right? It's the post. Because you get a gigantic mansion to live in. You get a chauffeur-driven jaguar limo that they drive you around in.

You have the largest entertainment budget of any station chief in the world. Nobody's trying to kill you there. And my six is the close. closest alliance, right? Intelligence ally that we have. Without any question. MI6 CIA is the closest friendship in the world. So it's like it's analogous to in the state department, right, ambassador to the court of St. James. It's the same kind of thing. It's the job. Yes, exactly right. It is the job. I mean, even an editorial cartoonist like New York

Times, you know, right. Right. And so Hans, I absolutely positively did not. I've never paid for it in my life and I'm proud to say that. So, although we all pay for it in different ways. Nothing's free, as my working girlfriends used to tell me. But even at lower levels in London, like, I did, I've spoken about this operation I did with Christopher Steele back in 2000. And my, my, I was in Athens at the time, but I would travel to London every week. And then my counterparts in the station, who were, you know, just whatever, GS12, GS-13,

G.S. 14, they were living high on the hog, too. You're living in Knightsbridge or you're living in Paddington and this beautiful muse house and that life is good. And like I say, people are trying to kill you on the way to work. Got to love that. Recession. By the way, what do you think of, this is Tom Silvestre? And what do you think of Tim Weiner, Tim Wiener, Weiner, Weiner. You know, honestly, I like them both. Tom Sleicester was an inspired choice to be the deputy director for operations.

The guy's been, he was a station chief, I don't know, six times, seven times all around the world. He was a specialist in Soviet and then Russian operations. And really quite the good ops guy, career-long ops guy, spent almost his entire. adult life overseas. Tim Wiener, I actually have a great deal of respect for. I gave him an interview for his previous book about the CIA, and he treated me with great respect. So I read that book.

Yeah, it's a solid read, for sure. It's a solid weed. And it read, and it won the National Book Award, which is a very big deal. Yeah. Very big deal. I mean, it's definitely not a fun read, unfortunately. Unfortunately, and I, and that's my kind of idea of a fun read, but yeah, it doesn't, you know, I mean, I love, I mean, that's all I read is that kind of thing, but I love it. I love it. Yeah, but I mean, the prose doesn't sing, but I would say it's worth, it's worth, it's a little bit on the dense side, but he footnotes the daylights out of his books. I appreciate it. And so he backs up everything he writes. It's, it's quite impressive. And then his books are like 800 pages long. Yeah, I mean, I'm a sucker for those long books.

I've been hearing that, like, word counts are dropping at books. Like 100,000, 120,000 words used to be a standard, like fiction book. Now, 60 or 80,000 is like closer to a novella because people's adventure span is so short. But the biographies and political nonfiction still is the outlier. They're getting longer and longer all the time. Can I answer Eric, who so real quickly? Eric, the rule on the Peace Corps was written in granite. There could be no contact whatsoever between the CIA and the Peace Corps for several reasons.

First of all, everybody already accuses the Peace Corps of being CIA, right? So it's dangerous and not. Secondly, the Peace Corps has no protection. They're out there in the sticks. You are out there in the sticks doing God's work. and there's nobody to protect you. So we were not permitted to even, like, say hello if we ran into somebody from the before.

I mean, honestly, that is a good rule that you guys had because, I mean, you know, to me the analogy is the journalism, the journalist embedding programs. Without a doubt. I'm violently opposed to. And, you know, it's like the, as soon as that started in Iraq, anytime you went anywhere, you know, The locals would say, like, well, you're just, you know, you're with the U.S. soldiers.

Yeah, you know, you're a propagandist. You're, I can't trust you. Why shouldn't I kill you? And it's like, I mean, it's so dangerous. And then, you know, as a journalist, the only weapon you have is your, your camera or your, or your, your laptop. I mean, you're on your own. You're really like, your dick is waving out in the wind. I mean, it's bad.

It's bad. So, do you want to talk, do the other, do you want to do Sandy Grimes or do you? Should we save that for later? Oh, sure. Let's do Sandy Grimes. You know, Sandy Grimes is another kind of legendary figure, and she never really set out to be. Sandy started off as a secretary in the days when, I think she started back in 67 is what I read, but those were the days when women were not permitted to have leadership roles, not just leadership roles. They were not permitted to really do anything of import.

They were only secretaries and clerks, file clerks. So she started off as a secretary and then rose up to be one of the greatest mole hunters in CIA's history. And she's the one who caught Aldrich Ames, one of the most despicable traders in modern American history. So, and she was totally unsung. She didn't, even inside the building, if you would say to somebody, hey, so which one of these people over here is Sandy Grimes? Nobody would know because she wasn't about the fanfare. Her job was to find the mole and by God she found him and he got life without parole. I remember George Tenet saying one time in a meeting that Sandy had gone to him. George

of course was the director at the time and Sandy said, I've identified him. It's Aldrich Ames. and it just so happened that George had to attend a White House briefing at which Ames was a participant. And George said that he just couldn't look at Ames in the eye. He knew he was a traitor and he knew that he was going to be arrested in just a couple of days. And so he was determined only to look at Ames' shoes so as not to give himself away. and he said he couldn't help but to see that the shoes were oh the shoes that that o j simpson wore those like five hundred dollars shoes do you remember what those were oh god um i don't remember what those were i had never heard of them at the time i had neither but they're like proud of shoes yeah yeah yeah and then a

couple of days later that's always the thing right i mean these guys these these these moles yeah they have too much money um they're living too high that that's what it's like the mob right that's what attracts the wrong kind of attention absolutely i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna google it real quickly oj simpson's shoes and while you're doing that let me just bring in robbie uh to talk bruno molly that's it well let me bring in producer robbie uh Guys, we just have to ask you a quick little favor, and we're going to explain this to you. Okay, Robbie's our producer, Robbie West,

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Yeah, so here she catches one of the most prolific moles in modern American history. And then the next day she came into work and just went about her normal job looking for the next mole. So I felt bad when I saw she died. I didn't realize that she was 80 years old, but God bless her, she was really one of those unknown heroes, those unsung heroes. at the CIA. You know, every once in a while, the CIA will give out something called a trailblazer

award. I never understood these things. And most of them will be, you know, white men who were station chief like, you know, in Havana when the, when Batista was overthrown, or station chief when the last guy was pulled out of South Vietnam on the helicopter. And then they'll toss one to somebody like, Bonnie Huron. I worked for Bonnie in the Office of Leadership Analysis. Bonnie was a terrific analyst.

She was an okay manager. What she, what trail she blazed, I will never, ever, ever understand because she was just kind of a typical run-of-the-mill manager. But then you have people like this who, you know, are unsung. But anyway, that's the CIA today. A lot of news coming in with the CIA. today. What is, what is, before we move on from, from her, I mean, what is the, what are the personality traits that are required to catch a mole? Like, what skill set is required? I mean, it's not, also you're, you're, in the case of an Aldridge Ames, you're, you're bringing down

someone who's, you know, got title, a position above your own. Oh, yes, he's a senior term. You have a lot of institutional resistance. No one wants to hear it, right? No, no one wants to hear it. And I'll tell you what, there are no bigger secrets than in the counterintelligence center at the CIA. That's a very important question you've asked, Ted. The mole hunter at the CIA has to be somebody who is obsessed with secrecy to the point where you don't even talk to yourself, like in your own head. Like for me, I'd be, I'd go to the credit union and say, I'm taking you down, Ames, you I would never fit in a position like that.

And you have to, and you, and you have to not really care about, like, people telling you, shut up, Chariaku. Like, you're, you're, you just don't like that, you don't like games because you don't like his politics. You don't like the cut of his gym. This is personal. You're going after a good patriot, someone who's doing God's work for America and you're being an asshole.

That's right. That's right. And, and listen. Somebody in counterintelligence is akin to somebody in internal affairs in a police department. You're not popular. No one likes you. I'll give you an example. At the end of my first full week at the agency, my boss walked me around both the new headquarters building and the old headquarters building just to point out where everything was.

Right. Here's the cafeteria. Here's the credit union. There's medical services. this in the lobby of the new building is it's it's all glass like a glass atrium and they have windows and one window says health insurance

and one window says life insurance and one window says sports tickets right and then there were a couple of other windows he said this is where you go if you want to buy baseball tickets basketball hockey football tickets right and then there was another one that said well I shouldn't say what it said but it was the window that you go to if maybe you have a little

bit of a drinking problem or you've got a problem with your credit or maybe you're taking care of your elderly parents and it's too much of a burden he told me don't ever go to that window I said why it's nice that they do things like that yeah yeah and he said because the people at that window work for counterintelligence. And they don't give a shit about your elderly parents. They want to know if you're in a bad enough spot that you're going to turn mole. So this is, so this is a little bit like in the cultural revolution, let a thousand flowers bloom, where the Chinese Communist Party and said, oh, we're opening up to ourselves to criticism. you know all you academics all you people who might be accused of being counter-revolutionaries

step forward the party's a big tent we want to hear from all of you guys then you step forward off to a May 4th farm nobody ever sees you again yeah that's right wow that is I mean that's some dark cynical shit that was my first week I'm like holy shit I never even went in there to buy a ticket to the ballgame I was just afraid of somebody just seeing me go in there. Yeah. Yeah, you can be, that's what Ticketron is for.

Exactly. Or ticket mouse or whatever the fuck it's called now. That's exactly right. Oh, man. That is, that is so, so dark. All right.

Should we, should we talk about Palestine? I mean, we have lots of. You were right, Ted. You were right about Kirstarmer, and frankly, I didn't think he had the guts to do it.

But then he kind of made a half step, if you don't mind my, you know, take it over the conversation. Please. He said, we're going to recognize Palestine in September, unless the Israelis let food in and are nicer people about it. Well, this is a decision designed by committee, right?

You can tell that. Absolutely. And, you know, but I think it's probably very easy to agree to. I mean, it's kind of like, well, okay, fine. I mean, the Israelis are not going to do this. I mean, it does have kind of, I mean, I don't like it either because I feel one of the commenters deep down in the thread, pointed out that really this recognition should just be based on not as a reward, a punishment

for Israel, but it should just be a statement of self-determination for the Palestinian people. Ted, I'd agree more. In the original documents that led to the creation of Israel, and there's even a YouTube video of Harry Truman talking about this, it says that Israel is going to be created, you know, today, whatever, 1948, and Palestine will be. be created as an independent state pending further discussion. Okay, that was 1948, and we're still talking about it. Now, that's said, we are, there's 153 nations, I guess it's going to be 155 soon.

Australia is apparently, Cirque is getting ready to go to shoot, to, to pull the trigger. Luxembourg is getting ready to pull the trigger. I didn't see that one. And there's a whole parcel of other European countries that are Croatia. Yes, Croatia, Spain. Yeah, Spain's already in. Oh, they're already in. Yeah, yeah.

So, I mean, I think basically it's like you said, it's going to be just the access powers of Germany and Japan and Italy who are going to be out with the U.S. What a, what a motley crew. And, you know, but so, yeah, no, it's a big deal. I mean, I think the pressure built so fast on Starmer. That's what I mean, I knew it was going to happen. I just didn't think it would happen this quickly. And you know what started it was these pictures that ran in the BBC of starving children. That just opened the floodgates.

I really believe that. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that. Someone brought it up, and I apologize because this was further and down. But I'm glad that someone asked about this question. So there was this very one particular photo of this one kid who was really, really, really sick and with these haunting eyes. And you can see why this particular photo went viral. And the New York Times and other corporate media organizations have walked that back, obviously, in response to Zionists who've complained that the kid, aside from suffering from starvation, also had other diseases at the same time.

So therefore, but those other, so the implication being maybe that these other diseases are wasting diseases, but they're not. But the kids was really, really sick and he's starving. So, and he's up, that's which is why he was at the hospital. But, you know, look, to me, it's kind of like, well, what do you, you know, what do we make of that? My answer to that is I think it's the, you know, it's the last gasp of a dying regime. I mean, I think Israel is in real trouble. now. I agree. I agree. And I don't think that they really realize just how deep they are. I saw an interview. Well, maybe you saw it too. It's, it's Tucker Carlson's latest interview. It just

dropped. And it's with John Mearsheimer, who is absolutely friggin brilliant. And Mearsheimer essentially said that. He said that the Israelis just don't realize how deep they're in. And on the contrary, they're talking about this concept of a greater Israel, which is like includes the bottom third of Lebanon, the southern third of Lebanon. It includes, you know, another 50 miles inside of Syria. It includes the entire West Bank. And it includes the Gaza, I'm sorry, the Sinai Peninsula. It's like, wait a minute, you guys should be thinking about your survival here and about your country falling apart because you're carrying out a genocide and you've got people who are in government talking about greater Israel. Mir Schimer made another important

point and this is how unhinged the American evangelical Christian community is where you've got the likes of Ambassador Huckabee or Speaker of the House Mike Johnson saying that Jesus wants us to support Israel and Israel's policy. Well, last week Israel's policy was to utterly and completely destroy one of the last surviving Christian villages in the West Bank, drive out all the Christians and steal their land. So you're saying Jesus wants the Jews to drive out the Christians and that's what we're going with?

It makes absolutely no sense at all. So many Americans don't know how many Christians there are in Palestine. a lot of them. By the way, though, I do want to say, and one of the things you wanted to talk about was the split now, the growing split on the American right over Israel. And I do want to be fair to Ambassador Huckabee, he's the U.S. ambassador to Israel, he went to the West Bank and visited that town that's been repeatedly attacked by violent fascist settlers, probably most of whom are from like my neighbors from Brooklyn. Yeah, but from New Jersey and New York. Yeah, and those scumbags who've been, you know, murder, murdering, raping, and pillaging over there.

Yes. But at least he went there and he was, he expressed concern and he was, I think, turned off by what the settlers were doing. They showed up. Joe Rogan, who I think is unfairly characterized as a right winger, but he's boycotting. Apparently, he's not allowing Bibi Netanyahu to come on a show. who B.B. wants to come on. You know, I mean, I think they're losing the thread the Israelis. I mean, we're talking about a country that is unique, right? It's unique, right? It's the only country that's currently on the face of the planet that owes its existence to the United Nations.

It's the only complete welfare state that owes its entire economy to the United States of America. It's ignoring the UN and its resolutions. It's ignoring public opinion in the U.S. the tax, among the taxpayers who are paying that bill to the Israelis. I mean, these people are biting, chomping, stabbing, and hacking at the hand that feeds them. And, you know, I mean, they're a rabid dog. And, you know, I mean, I wrote a column this week that's called that Israel no longer has the right to exist.

Yeah, I read that. And thank you. The argument that, you know, I'm trying to make here is in the community of nations, there are some things you just keep that people can't tolerate like you know when napoleon disrupted europe all these disparate powers who had competing interests got together to defeat him even though they hated each other you know world war two uh you know the u.s and the USSR were not buds but they had to come together to fight nazi germany not to stop the holocaust because i mean the u.s certainly didn't care about it i mean certainly the russians cared more about it

because it happened in their territory. But they came in and they got together because Nazi Germany was so militarily aggressive and violent and out of control and disruptive. They just had to be put down like a rabid dog. I mean, same and Imperial Japan the same way. That's exactly the scenario that we have now with Israel. They're such a destabilizing force in the Middle East, right? I mean, literally, even if you count like Iran, you know, and the axis of resistance

and all the shenanigans they had going on with the Houthis and all that. It's nothing compared to Israel, right? I mean, just in the last few months, right? They bombed Iran. They overthrew the government of Syria, and now they're bombing the new government that they installed. Yes. I mean, these people are nuts. They are nuts.

And, you know, I have to say, where did I just see it? It was, well, thank you, everybody, first of all, for going on to Eric, is what what nonsense says USA sex predators flee to Israel oh boy are you right so listen to this I was in prison with a pedophile this disgusting horrible pedophile he had graduated from Harvard and Harvard law school and he was an attorney in Moscow he to make a very long story very short he was an officiantado of the ballet. And so he offered to pay the tuition for a 12-year-old Russian boy, but he insisted that the boy live with him.

The parents were like, oh, I don't know about that, but they were poor. And this kid was like a once-in-a-generation gifted ballet guy. And so they allowed their 12-year-old to move in with a guy, Ken. Kenneth. So 12 hours later, Ken was raping this kid. And this went on for five years. Finally, the kid told the FBI what was happening. They issued an arrest warrant.

By then, Ken was back in Philadelphia, where his parents were exceedingly wealthy, big humanitarian, they donate to the museum, whatever. he ran immediately to Israel and the Israelis would not extradite him because they would not the Israelis don't extradite Jews it's a it's a law

in Israel they don't care what he's accused of they're not extraditing any Jew so we asked for the extradition they said no and then Interpol came up with an idea that was absolutely genius. I love when I hear about these brilliant operational ideas

that people come up with. This was my favorite thing to do at the CIA. It was just to sit around thinking up ideas with my colleagues. They decided to, they decided to sponsor a ballet show in Cyprus. And they used a dummy email account to email him an announcement of the ballet.

to lure him. And they lured him to Cyprus, and they grabbed him at the airport. And the Cypriots extradited him. And he got 20 years. He's still in, that bastard. But the Israelis will not extradite Jews, period. That's pretty gross. I mean, I think, look, I think we're done here.

So look, what do you think it's going to happen? I mean, by the, okay, so September now, feels really far away. It does. I agree. And it's not four and a half, five weeks. Right. So the, so the UN, so it's going to be Labor Day, the UN's going to come here to New York and fuck up all the traffic and no one's going to be able to move.

Every year. In that traffic, it's going to be a lot of new allies or at least friends of Palestine. How many countries do you think it's going to be? It's going to be like our migration over to Rumble. Everyone's subscribing over there. Yeah. Yeah, Palestine's signing them up. Oh, and by the way, I did want to ask you a little bit about this statement that broke.

I don't know if you had a chance to hear it because it just happened right before we went on the air. But Arab and Muslim states a member of the Arab League, the EU, and 17 more countries have supported a declaration signed at a UN conference that was hosted by Saudi Arabia and France that basically is calling, this also includes this Qatar, Saudis in Egypt, they're calling for Hamas to disarm and give up power and basically turn over all authority to the Palestinian authority, which, of course, is Mahmoud Abbas, who's, what, 92 or something like that? Yeah, I always say he's 16 years into a four-year term. He and Zelensky have a nice democracy they're working on. Yeah, that's right.

And anyway, so, yeah, he's over there. So, Mahmoud Abbas, the sort of the head of the, I guess it's like the Vichy kind of government of the West Bank. Yeah, they're corrupt and they don't really do anything. But basically, that's what all these countries are calling for. Like, they don't want to recognize Hamas. I mean, I mean, that's not going to happen, right? I mean, because first of all, that's Fatah. and they can't rule in Gaza.

The Gassans don't want them. No. No. The Gossans have made it clear by voting Hamas in and the PA out. The PA is not the answer to this problem. You know, Haret's two or three weeks ago ran this article saying that one of the things that's being discussed, and I think it isn't actually being discussed, I think they just put it out there and see what the reaction was going to be, was to have Hamas disarm and then, you

to have Saudi Arabia administer Gaza while Israel continues to actually own Gaza. And then after a day, nobody really commented on it. And can I say something, too, about Cyprus? This thing that the Israeli said about northern Cyprus being an Israel problem, they mean something actually contemporary on that. The Greeks, I am utterly ashamed to say, that the Greeks and the Cypriots are 1,000% pro-Israel.

And the reason that they're pro-Israel is severalfold. Number one, it's because the Israelis and the Turks hate each other. So if the Turks hate Israel, then the Greeks have to love Israel because the Greeks hate the Turks. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. There it is. The other reason is because the Cypriots are sitting on an ocean of natural. gas and it stretches into Israeli waters. And so the Greeks, the Cypriots and into Palestinian waters, right? Gosen waters. Yes. And just like one little vein into Lebanese waters. So the Greeks and

Cypriots don't have the money to lift this gas, but the Israelis certainly do. And so the three countries have entered into this joint venture that's already well underway to lift this gas. To lift this gas and it's going to make Cyprus one of the wealthiest countries in the in the world over the course of years so we just i'm not going to say celebrated i'm going to say commemorated the 51st anniversary of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus oh wow the Turks invaded Cyprus killed thousands of Cypriots 17 American citizens are still missing from the Turkish invasion 51 years ago. Yeah, this was in the 70s, yeah.

1974. Yeah. And I never understood what was the, what was the, what was Turkey after me besides just territory? There were a lot of moving parts in this thing. So these were literally the final days of the Greek military dictatorship. And as it was in its death throes, it overthrew the democratically elected government of Cyprus and installed.

a strong man by the name of Nikos Samson, who had been an assassin in sort of his previous life. So Samson announced a military dictatorship in Cyprus. The Turks saw that as the green light to invade and overthrow Samson, which they did in a matter of days. So the democratically elected president returns to Cyprus. He'd only been in exile a week. And the Turks never left. And they've just kept one third of Cyprus, the northern third of Cyprus. So what we're seeing here, what we're seeing here with the Israelis saying we have a problem with northern Cyprus, there is no such thing as Northern Cyprus with a capital N.

The Turks call it the trunk, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. It's not recognized by any country in the world except Turkey. Right. It's Turkish annexed. It's Turkish annexed or Turkish occupied Cyprus. It's just occupied Cyprus. Yeah. And so because the Israelis and the Greeks and the Cypriots are all in business together, the Greeks and the Cypriots went to the Israelis and says, hey, they say, hey, we need your help on Cyprus. You need to say the right thing about the Turks. And so the Israelis hate the Turks, like the Turks hate the Israelis. So they jump in on the side of the Greeks and the it's awful let's ask let's I do want to answer this question by Godna yeah I would anyone sorry not that too um okay we'll answer this one why would anyone trust Saudi Arabia to administer Gaza um they wouldn't is the short answer they wouldn't I wouldn't okay yeah they're not and then and then also um yeah that the scroll is moving so fast I'm having oh here we go um can you can you can we explain what what happens as

you know, with countries recognizing Palestine. It's really, I mean, it's, so it is symbolic. It doesn't change the facts on the ground. And there is the concern that, you know, in the case of the future Republic of Palestine or the present Republic of Palestine, depending on how you want to look at it, it's divided, right? I mean, it's literally, there's two governments, there's the Hamas government, and there's the Palestinian Authority. That's kind of an issue, because you're supposed to know who you'd be able to talk to.

but I guess like that's not being but I mean what happens is it's legitimate right so the big thing is if you're a country that has a deal with Israel or is thinking of making a deal with Israel once you recognize Palestine you have to go through all of your trading agreements and everything that you have with Israel to see if anything in there is wrong or illegal or challenging to Palestine so a good example of that would be let's say So Israel produces wine. They produce it in occupied territories, for example, on the St. Colan Heights, which is, by the way, I have to admit, I've had this treason wine. It's really good. Yeah, it's really good. So the Golan wine is, you know, for example, you would not, if you've recognized Syria as an independent country, which most of the world does, well, you can't import that wine into your country. country and it's just a million little things like that and they add up i mean and there's more to it than

that too right if there's a genocide taking place um in your country uh in in and you're recognized by another country you can call their ambassador and say listen i need your help um you know there's stuff that we we need we need your cooperation can you have to help us with intel can you you know there's can you can you can you stop derecognize israel there's lots of stuff like Suddenly the doors are open. You're not isolated. It reminds me a little bit of a strange meeting I had with the Afghan ambassador to Uzbekistan during the Taliban period. And this was like in 2000. It was in 2000. So he was a Taliban. So he was a northern alliance guy. So he had the embassy in Tashkent. And so I asked him like, well, you know, technically you're supposed to be getting support from the U.S. And he said, oh, yeah.

He goes, we're supposed to be. And I said, what kind of support do you get? And he opens up his desk drawer, pulls out a yellow envelope. And he's like, here you go. I open it up. And inside, there's a map of Afghanistan. And I'm like, it's just, and he goes, that's the only support I have ever gotten from the U.S. government.

Like, that's it. And I go, well, it's a pretty good map because it's out of date. He said the Soviet ones are better. And he's like, and I was like, so how do you pay for all this? And he was like, hemming and haying. And I was like, you guys mine rubies. And he's like, yeah, in Badakshan. So that's, you know, that's how they were subsisting.

But, yeah, but I mean, so I don't know. I mean, what do you think? I mean, what does it, what's the practical meaning of, recognition for the Palestinians. I think it opens the door for Palestine to be a member state in a lot of different international organizations, which gives them a voice on the international stage that they otherwise wouldn't have had. It makes them eligible for financial aid, both from international organizations and from individual countries. And, you know, we used to have a Palestine liaison office here in Washington. Donald Trump closed it in his first term and expelled

the Palestinian diplomats. I would love to see Palestinian diplomats on the circuit again in Washington or in London or Madrid or, you know, Canberra or anywhere else where they're recognized. And they could be, and they could eventually have like one of those rotating seats at the Security Council at the UN. Exactly right. Exactly right. So they would be the representative of the Asia Group on the UN Security Council. Oh my God.

Could you imagine? Huge. Huge. Absolutely huge. When I was at the CIA, it was Libya's turn. And we went apeshit over the notion that Muammar Gaddafi would be represented on the United Nations Security Council. And so we started this international lobbying effort, and we got the Asia group to deny seating Libya on the Security Council, and Egypt got it two terms in a row.

Ridiculous. Because there were no other countries in all of Asia that should have been represented on the UN Security Council. Right, right. By the way, really, I think good point here from Sky. after September, the U.S. will be the only permanent member of the Security Council not to recognize Palestinian statehood. That is a very good point. That's a very important thing is Israel is going to be a pariah.

The question for President Trump and for the United States, and really, frankly, Trump, we shouldn't pick on him on this because Democrats are equally guilty of how we support in Israel. Absolutely. And this whole genocide started under Biden, and he encouraged. it and he funded it and he armed it. So, you know, Trump just happens to be holding the bag right now. But the question for the U.S. is going to be, do we want to be at the pariah table with little Israel? Or do we want to be with everyone else? Well, you know, in these votes in the UN General Assembly, it's not just us in Israel. It's also Nauru and

occasionally Costa Rica and, you know, one of those little countries in the Pacific that I can't pronounce. So we're not always standing alone, right? Like Vanuatu. Vanuatu. Where would we be without Vanuatu? I think Vanuatu is the closest to the international date line. So on New Year's Eve, they always are like, well, Vanuatu celebrated 23 and a half hours ago. You've seen unbelievable. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to, I'll answer, I'll answer yellow bananas question. I'll be in New York City Labor Day weekend. How bad will traffic be for the UN? Horrible is if you're sitting on the east side. The east side is in Manhattan is terrible. If you're like somewhere else, honestly, if you're up like, I'm on the upper west. I had a, they had a UN badge and I had trouble getting to the office. Even with the UN badge and I was walking so it's going to be bad on the east side stay away from the east side yeah and it's always it's it's kind of like in general that's that's good advice anyway um labor day but

all the rich people will be gone so in other neighborhoods it'll kind of help it's kind of like a great time to visit town um and the weather should be a little bit better um oh my god so all right what do we think of Gaddafi i love that question i i i think Gaddafi was super I mean, no one got screwed more than Gaddafi, right? I mean, and what happened to him is so important as a, you know, lesson for other rulers, right? I mean, George W. Bush said, listen, you know, if you drop your nuclear program, and, you know, we'll cut a deal with you, we'll bring you in, legitimize you, we'll forget all about Locker B, the whole nine yards. And then he did as asked, and the next thing you know, Hillary Clinton comes in his Secretary of State. There's this radical jihadi movement out in eastern Libya in Benghazi, and the U.S. finances it, runs interference for it, provides air support with NATO, and we helped kill Qaddafi and get him sodomized on live television.

My boss, Steve Kappas, deputy director, the associate deputy director for operations and a mentor of mine, flew out to Libya to meet with Gaddafi and Gaddafi's intelligence chief who actually graduated from the University of Michigan and convinced him to give up his weapons of mass destruction programs saying, you don't want to end up like Saddam Hussein. We're going to kill Saddam Hussein, he told Gaddafi in two in 2000. two. We're going to kill him. You don't want to end up like that. Just give up your weapons of mass destruction and everybody's going to live happily ever after. And Gaddafi gave up all his weapons programs. A fool, a rub. And we allowed him to be killed anyway. And he got played. Yeah, he got played. We just lied to him. And then, you know, the way he was killed was so horrific. It was so grotesque. And people think that's just the local, they think that's the locals who did it, but that's not true. I mean, it was a U.S. drone that fired a missile at his motorcade

and maybe at his car specifically, but his car was driven off the road. He and his entourage forced to flee. They hid in a drainage pipe culvert kind of thing. And then the, the Jadis found him and killed him. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, let's talk a little bit about, do we want to talk about this? I mean, What's so remarkable about the mass shooting that took place at 345 Park Avenue here and 51st Street is that it's not remarkable. You know, this guy came in, he claimed in, reminded me of the shooter at the University of Texas in Austin in 1966, the Texas Watchtower shooter. He suspected there was something wrong with him that he was hearing voices and having violent urges. And in his suicide note, he asked, he requested that his brain be examined for signs of trouble. And in fact, they did find a tumor that was pressing up against his amygdala.

And that's so, and so this guy yesterday, he, his suicide note, said that he believed he had CTE. I don't know if he had ever been diagnosed formally or not. He was a high school football player. He went to the NFL building HQ and basically went to the wrong floor. or killed four people, including an off-duty New York City police officer who was working security at the desk. And, you know, the thing is, though, it's one of those things where if you say, well, what could you possibly do about it?

I mean, I think nothing. I mean, you know, it's like people, guns are legal, AR-15s are legal. There's, we're washing them. They're all over the place. You know, he drove here from Nevada. He parked in front of the building in his BMW and walked in. I mean, this can and will happen over and over again. And it's almost like all you can do is just shrug.

And I think that's the part that's what's so remarkable about it is, is how unremarkable it is. And, you know, he apologized in the note that he left, which just to me made it that much more sad. Mental illness, whether it's caused by CTE or something else, is a horrible existence. And he really believed that he had, CTE, and he really believed that it was because he played football in high school.

Yeah. So he was a different. I believe it. Yeah. So it seems to be like kind of, it's a political act, basically. Yeah. Right. It is. Yes, it is. It's a political act. John, should we talk about, yeah, should we talk about this story out of Iran? So obviously the Iranians are still smarting from their 12-day, 14-day war with, I guess 12-day war with Israel. And they're licking their wounds, but whatever their nuclear program was appears to be largely intact. But the Iranians took note and they're starting to think, and they obviously are investigating what happened. And part of their investigation finds that their GPS was manipulated by the U.S. or Israel and or Israel

and or some kind of other bad actor to screw up their targeting abilities. This might help explain why they were so caught with their pants down and unable to defend themselves and fire back against the Israelis who had complete command of the skies over Iran, which to be blew me away. This has been a rumor really since the 12-day war that something was wrong with the GPSes. You're not allowed to use Ways in Iran because Ways is owned by in Israel. Israeli company. But any GPS, the Iranians were, right, Waze was purchased by Google. It's now right alphabet, yeah. Correct. It was founded by an Israeli company. That's right. So I always hated

it. I never understood it. I didn't understand like how it, like the interface makes no sense to me. Maybe, maybe you have to read from right to left or something. Maybe. But I think it's, they're worried about GPS is in general now just because they believe probably rightly that the U.S. and Israel have the technology to be able to interface with the satellites and target Iran. Well, there are satellites, right? I mean, Bill Clinton, right, this was military and covert technology, right, until Bill Clinton decided to publicize it. I think wisely, he was convinced that this was going to open up all sorts of technological innovation. And it has. I mean, if you think about something like, you know,

you look at real estate listings and, you know, you can see a map. of where the house is or whatever. It's amazing. But that technology, it's American, and it can be, it can and was weaponized against the Iranians. So now they're looking for a Chinese or other alternative. This story is not about Iran. This story is about the U.S. having technological dominance.

That's right. And then that dominance being undermined by the U.S.'s willingness to weaponize that dominance for short-term gain. losing side of the long-term impact, which is that if you come off as a non-neutral arbiter, you know, the rest of the world isn't going to want to trust you anymore, and then you're going to lose your advantage. I mean, you know, we invented the phone.

That's why our country code is one. You know, we have, I mean, this is exact, it's analogous to the dollar, right? We weaponized the U.S. dollar. So now Russia, everyone else who's thinking, well, one day, I could fall a foul of, I mean, Belgium, you could fall a foul of the United States. You don't know. And then, you know, they could just decide to turn off the spigot and screw us and steal our reserve currency.

Like, we can't have that. So, you know, we'll get, you know, swift or all these systems that if you want to control them and take a little piece, you can't like put your thumb on the, I mean, the example I'm thinking of is like, you know, how did Constantinople become rich? right? Well, it's like right on the Basvras and they just collected tolls, right, from the Silk Road and just waited for ships to go through and everybody had to pay. And what made it work was they let everyone through and they charged everyone. If they had started to say like, oh, you know, the fuck those Sogddians, let's nail them. Then like that would have worked. Other people would have been like, well, we have to overthrow the Constance and Opel or we have to do an end route. We have to figure another way. the U.S. just doesn't, I don't know, it seems really, really short-sighted. Very, very short-sighted. And we had the same conversation last week about sanctions. Countries have gotten to the point where sanctions just simply don't hurt them anymore. Because we are so heavy in the way we levy sanctions against countries that they're forced to come up with the way around them.

And let me interrupt our conversation for one second. just as we were going on the air exactly 60 minutes ago Prime Minister Mark Carney, the Canadian Prime Minister, announced that Canada would recognize Palestine. Holy shit. That's amazing.

I just had a little tingle there in my upper back. That's so great. It's happening. You're right. There's a hole in the dike. The flood doesn't. It's coming. It's, you know, to take a story from, from, from, from, from, from northeastern Russia, it's, it's a seismic shift. It's a tsunami.

I mean, but it is. I mean, no. It is. And Canada is also, I mean, diplomatically a very important country. I mean, you know, Canada's the country that when you're a backpacker and you want to travel to like, you're an American backpacker and you want to go to like Afghanistan and not be thought of as an asshole, you wear the, you put that Canadian. flag on your backpack, right? Canada's considered neutral. I did that. I sewed a Canadian flag on my backpack in the summer of 85. Everyone thinks Canada is, is chill. I'm wondering what Candice Strike means here. Canada is following orders. From whom, I wonder. No, that doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. Well, you can pipe in. We'll put that up, whatever you, if you reply to us. But yeah, yeah exactly Houdini is like always say you're Canadian overseas like oh yeah I like hockey eh um but yeah so we'll we'll see what happens here um oh so yeah so there's so much cynical

cynicism here right i'm not buying it these elites that back to the underside already can't do good um look it's not because they're good people it's because they read polls and like they know that basically the world isn't this i mean if they were good people they would have come out against this shit on october 8th 2023 i mean you know this is like because it was already obvious what the what the Israelis were going to do from within hours i mean they were they were having a great time you know they were looking forward to it yeah so um you know i wonder if some of this is a swipe at Donald Trump, too, from the Canadians. I wonder. It could be. It could be.

Well, they have reason to be pissed. Right. Right. I think, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm not ruling out that Donald Trump is going to distance himself from Israel. It's not like he's going to like recognize Palestine, but he's, I think the weapons flow has to come to an end. It does. Alyssa Slotkin, a couple people have mentioned Alyssa Slotkin in the chat.

She's the senator from Michigan, former CIA colleague of mine. She, you know, Alyssa's complicated. She's Jewish. She was not endorsed by any of the Jewish groups in America in her campaign. But she won,

she won relatively. easily in a year when Donald Trump carried her state. But she said that she would be willing to vote for a cutoff of offensive weapons to Israel. That's not going to happen. We saw a week ago there was a vote to cut off offensive weapons to Israel and it got like six votes in the house. So it's just not going to, it's not going to happen. well i don't think it's going to happen quickly but i think i think by by christmas time i think we're going to see we're going to see some movement it's going to slow down or something do you think

do you think that if it keeps happening if if country after country you know not including of course hungary italy germany the united states but if these other countries continue to recognize Palestine. Do you think that this could threaten the Netanyahu government? Yeah. Because somebody's going to have to take the blame for losing the international community. Right. And that has to be, that has to be Bebe, right? I mean, I did a deep dive into Israeli opinion polling, as you know, because you read my column. And 76.5% of Israelis as of June totally have no problem with the genocide. They're like a okay with it and they don't think that Palestinian, the needs of the Palestinians and their misery should even be

taken into consideration in military planning. Right. So this is, you know, let's let's be clear here. Even what passes for the Israeli left, they're not demonstrating against the genocide. They're demonstrating because the hostages haven't come home. Yeah. And also they don't like Netanyahu and his corruption. But That's what this is about, right? So looking at it from the, it's hard for me to see this from the point standpoint of the Israelis who basically have their heads up their asses while the whole rest of the world is appalled and disgusted with them and they don't see it.

But I do think if from their point of view, if they're involved in an existential battle to expand Israel, try and get Gaza for themselves, which obviously all Israelis aren't stupid. but they know that's what this is about. And that that project is going to be deeply hampered by losing U.S. and international support. Yeah. Yeah, who else are you going to blame? I mean, you can't a la carte it say, well, this has Ben Gavir, but not, you know, but not Netanyahu. It's like it's all of them.

The government's got to go. I mean, it's not like we're going to, they're not going to be replaced with liberals. No, no, there aren't any anymore in Israel. No. No. If there's a ceasefire, does BB go to prison? Well, if BB, if BB is out of government, if he's out of government,

he goes to trial. Yes. And then probably he goes to prison, I think. Yes. Yeah, and this is a good point. Oh, thank you, Candice Drake. Thank you very much. Where did I just see it?

We're getting so many comments I can't keep up. Yeah. Hugdroid Mixedine. Don't think they can admit wrongdoing on anything. It's a mountain of war crimes. That's exactly right. No, well, that's for sure. And that's why Netanyahu can't risk not being prime minister.

Here's a big question for you. You know, back in the old days, people like Ediamine would go into exile in places like Saudi Arabia. That's right. I saw him in Jeddah in the vegetable market. What? Oh, my God, that's Ediamine. And he was there with his wife. Are you shopping for ears?

Seriously, right? What a monster. You know, there's a famous story. I forget if it was Time or Newsweek, but one of them interviewed him and on the back porch of his presidential palace. And he at one point was presented with a plate of human ears with tomato garnish and said, like, this is a delicacy in our country. Would you like one? Oh, my God.

I remember reading an article once saying that in a conversation with a reporter, He was talking about the saltiness of bushmeat, and he said, monkeys are salty. Leopards are very salty, but nothing is as salty as a human being. Yeah, he was a famous cannibal. Did you ever see that movie by the French Brothers? It's in the Criterion Collection. It's just called Edia Mindada. It's one of the most amazing film.

It's a documentary. So this is an amazing film, right? So basically, for six months, these two French brothers were given unfettered access to Edie Amin. They followed him everywhere. And this was right after the Entebbe mission by the Israelis. And his brother was killed. And it changed him, apparently. Ediamine, like, for the filmmakers, had his army recreate the Entebbe mission from

And he brings out helicopters and shit. You got to watch it. And also, he swims. Is it the Zambezi? He's swimming like next to crocodiles and like every morning. And he like pushes them out of the way. Like get out of the way, you fucking rascals. But the most to me, it's completely, you can't take your eyes off it.

But the best moment for me is there's a cabinet meeting. And you can hear the air conditioner like rolling. And he's going around the room. And it's kind of like got that sort of. sort of East German kind of decor, like, you know, sort of that lives of others kind of vibe. And he's like, okay, so the Secretary of Transportation, Minister of Transportation, sorry, Minister of Education, you're doing good job, keep it up. Defense, everything's looking good.

And he's going around and he's like, transportation. And the guy starts quivering like a leaf. And he's like, you know, the service and the still getting complaints about the bus service in the Capitol just you have my number right my four digit number and he tells it like three two two four you you I tell you you have a problem you call me morning to a night you get it have you ever called me even one time you never call and nothing ever gets better and then the scene cuts and there's the guy's body floating in the river it says the next day transportation minister so-and-so was found floating in the Zambezi I mean

It's unbelievable. But anyway, it's crazy. So, okay, well, so does BB Netanyahu? Can he fly to, would the Saudis take him in as could they, as the, you know, prime minister of a Jewish state? Never. Okay. No. Never.

So there's some decency. There are limits. There are rules. You know what? I think that the reason why they wouldn't ever do it is because. their own people would overthrow them well yeah it's something like that yeah well yeah no he's more likely to end up you know in in in the u.s i i was i was in old town Alexandria virginia one time now this is this is 20 years ago and i saw pervez musharif and his wife just window shopping

up and down king street he's like so this is where you ended up you wore criminal. Oh, he's a, yeah, he's a, he's a, yeah, I could go on about him, you know, because I'm, you know, I'm a commentator. I don't really break news. The news that I broke ever was the, was the pervez Musharraf coup. So I was down the street in Islamabad at a cafe, just eating. And there was, I just gotten down the Karakoram highway, taken like three or four weeks with my friend. And so we're like, hanging out. We finally arrived in Islamabad. And there's gunfire down the street and, you know, small arms fire. And so I asked the waiter, the waiters always know everything. I said, what's going on? He goes,

oh, they are overthrowing the government. I'm like, what? He goes, yeah, Omar Sharif, he is finished. Like, he's like, he is like, he will be killed. I'm like, what? It's like, right now? It's like, yeah, that's them now. So I got up with my camera and went and took a, a bunch of photos and talk to some soldiers. And indeed, like, Omar Sharif's in the van. Like, like, while I'm talking outside, I'm like, outside the van, they're taking him off to be tortured, right? They did torture him. And so, Pervez Musharraf, you know, and I knew, because when we came down the Karakoram highway, we saw Taliban soldiers all over the place. And, you know, we were stopped at a checkpoint. And we're like, and they're like, oh, you're in

Afghanistan. I'm like, this is the KKH. We're not in Afghanistan. We're in Pakistan. And the guy starts joking and he goes, sometimes Afghanistan comes to you. And because Irvv Musharv came to power by, as an alliance with the Taliban, and he allowed the Taliban to enter northern Afghanistan as proxies to go fight the Indians and basically say, we didn't attack you guys. We don't know anything about it. It was called the third Kashmir War with the Cargill conflict. You know all this. But this is for the, this is for the audience.

Oh, my God. And it's like, yeah, fucking Purvez Mushar. I mean, after 9-11, right, Pakistan was so responsible for what we, they, what happened to us, more than any other country. Do they get justice? No, they got a raise. Nope. That was it. They got a raise.

Yep. And like every exiled Pakistani leader, he's now. Dubai, which is exactly where, um, uh, what was her name, uh, went. Um, prime minister, uh, oh, come on. We were just talking about her last week. Why am I having a, which country? Pakistan. Oh, Buto. Butteau. Prime Minister Buto and her husband. Yep. Back and forth between Pakistan and Dubai, presidency and exile, you know, crimes against humanity and all that stuff. lovely fellows all around and ladies yeah she's dead musharov's dead they're all dead now yeah yeah that's true she took a bullet to the brain is what did her in yeah yeah well that it is a i mean

pakistani's are spicy oh yeah it's a tough it's a tough you don't want to cross them no it's a tough gig i mean it's like i mean i i every moment i was in pakistan i had the feeling that a riot could break out any second, any second. Someone who could just walk down the street and start screaming something in Urdu. And the next thing you know, people are out there with sticks and shit and you had guns out. It's on. You don't even know what's going on. All right. So, all right, where's Hamid Karzai? Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul, living happily next to the Taliban. He's got balls of steel. His brother's got a restaurant in Baltimore. If anyone wants to go check it's actually pretty good i do like afghan food quite a bit um but well not not the afghan food there

for the most part just because no the afghan food in america is head and shoulders better than any afghan it's like cuban food cuban food sucks in cuba it's terrible in cuba yeah like how much zucchini can you eat or boiled chicken yeah tell me and red and bad yellow rice um all right so Imran Khan. I actually like Imran Khan. I liked and respected him. His problem is that any time he has a problem, whether it's riots in the streets or an ingrown toenail, he blames the United States. We're going to leave that there for the deprogramming for today. Just a reminder to everybody, in case you missed it, it would mean a lot to John and and in the most important way, which is to say financially,

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It always is. It flies, time flies. It does. All right. Thanks, everybody. By the way, oh, Canada. That's right. Cudos to the Canadians.