DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Venezuela: Trump’s Iraq?”

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Political cartoonist Ted Rall, and producer Robby West filling in for CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, confront the fallout from federal overreach in Chicago's ICE raids and the violent U.S. military brinkmanship off Venezuela's shores, revealing how unchecked authority clashes with human rights and global stability.Pressure on Bibi: Advocates of Israel believe Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu isn’t serious about the ceasefire and peace deal he signed and is secretly planning to scuttle Trump’s achievement as soon as he sees a chance. Trump agrees, so he’s sending Vice President JD Vance, Middle East peace envoy Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, who were instrumental in brokering the deal to illustrate the administration’s commitment to keeping the deal intact and to try to keep Mr. Netanyahu from resuming an all-out assault against Hamas. What can/will they do?Post-9/11 Jitters: American Airlines Flight 6569 from Omaha to Los Angeles returned to its origination airport after 36 minutes after the pilot heard banging on the locked cockpit door—a security precaution instituted after 9/11—and worried that terrorists were trying to break in. As it turns out, the radio link between the flight deck and the main cabin was down and the crew had no way to communicate with the pilot. What if there had been an emergency in the cabin? Just a reminder that every safety measure can cause a new set of problems.Chicago Immigration Crackdown Hearing: Federal officials confront Judge Sara L. Ellis in a courtroom showdown, defending tear gas deployments that defy her recent order amid Operation Midway Blitz. Agents clashed with protesters, journalists, and clergy in Albany Park, dispersing crowds after a routine stop escalated into chaos with minimal warnings, as captured on video. Two days later, on the South Side, federal vehicles crashed into civilians, prompting agents to unleash tear gas on gathered residents, fueling plaintiffs' claims of constitutional violations and Judge Ellis's deepening frustration—she demands body cameras be constantly activated despite government pushback, signaling a judicial hammer poised to strike harder. How bad will ICE’s war against Chicago get?U.S. Troops Face Venezuela: 10,000 U.S. troops now patrol Caribbean waters, interdicting drug boats under the shadow of Maduro's emergency declaration, activating an 8-million-strong militia armed with RPGs, anti-tank systems, and urban warfare tactics drilled in Caracas shantytowns. Russian-supplied Sukhoi Su-30 jets buzz the USS Jason Dunham with Kh-31 anti-ship missiles, while S-125, Buk-M2E, and Igla-S systems guard oil sites and coasts, jamming U.S. communications in a contested electromagnetic spectrum that renders helicopters vulnerable. Despite B-52 flyovers and F-35 readiness, the deployment—bolstered by USS Iwo Jima and Tomahawk subs—lacks ground logistics for a full invasion, exposing interdiction ops to provocative close passes and potential retaliation from a force in "shambles" yet lethally asymmetric. Would this be the Western Hemisphere’s version of Bush’s disastrous Iraq War?

It's Tuesday, October 21st, and you are watching D-Program with Ted Raul and John Kyriaku. Producer Robbie West is sitting in for John Kiriaku. John made it back from the land of the Tarantulas in Mexico, back to the States. That's the good news. But unfortunately, he suffered a health event that's requiring him to get some care today. He assured me and Robbie that he will be back tomorrow. and we're looking forward to having him back. In the meantime, thanks everyone for liking, following, and sharing the show,

and just for being so supportive for so long. It really is making a huge difference for us. Just a reminder that the new time of the show is Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. Eastern time. And so we will be back tomorrow. John Full with John on Wednesday at 9 a.m. We're crossing our fingers, but it's looking good. And it's just good that he's back here in the States, I think. It sounded pretty miserable down there in Mexico, Robbie.

Before we get into everything that I want to talk about here, we're going to talk. Basically, I want to remind everybody that if you have questions or comments that you'd like Robbie or myself or John's going forward to talk about, just pipe them into the Rumble chat or the YouTube chat. if you're watching live. And we will be watching that feed and piping in the quins that we can handle. All the ones that will make me sound stupid, I will not talk about. No, I'm just kidding. I don't care if I look stupid.

And anyway, so today we get a lot of stuff to talk about. We've got three Trump envoys, high-level envoys, including Jared Kushner, heading off to the Middle East and Vice President Vance to lean on Bibi Netanyahuas, to make sure he doesn't sabotage the ceasefire agreement, which he seems determined to do. A panic on an American Airlines flight from Omaha to L.A., sort of owes something to security measures that went into effect after 9-11. Just a reminder of the law of unintended consequences. Chicago, I think, Robbie, you will have thoughts about this.

There were a major hearing in a courtroom where the feds got dressed. down by Judge Sarah Ellis over Operation Midway Blitz, which is basically the ICE invasion of parts of Chicago. And then the main story today, it looks like the United States is flirting with regime change and a possible invasion of Venezuela, but it also equally looks like Venezuela is really prepared for such a thing and would make life really miserable for invasion troops.

Big story coming out of the military media that we're going to be talking about there, just about what kind of military forces invading American troops would encounter if they were to storm onto the beaches of Venezuela. So, Robbie, I think we have a question that got popped up here. Thank you for putting that up from Frasmatas. Did we talk about the Louvre jewelry heist yet? We did yesterday, but there is more to talk about.

I heard that Pavel Durov has offered a bounty for the jewels, but he won't return them to France. he will give them to the UAE. Well, I think if he did that, he would probably suffer all sorts of international legal consequences, but maybe not. Anyway, yeah, so Robbie, I don't know if you heard. There's more information now coming out on the jewel heist. We did talk about that extensively yesterday, but it's worth pointing out just sort of how crazy this is. So first and foremost, the robbers involved, there were two who climbed up the ladder, pried open the window on the second floor. Both of them were not wearing masks. There's no face coverings whatsoever. And I don't know

if that was in order to avoid attracting attention on the street outside the Louvre or what that's about. But it seems to me like in an age of facial recognition software, that's going to make them really easy to catch. I mean, one would think, I don't know, I've been probably, I've never robbed a museum before. You wouldn't be here talking to me if you had. You'd be living on a beach somewhere or in prison. Possibly both. I mean, I could be in Guantanamo and had the best of both worlds. True. So, I mean, there's always a bright spot. I don't know. I think that if the whole idea is just try to just blend in with the people who are just walking along the river and just not attracting attention, probably wouldn't wear a mask. I would just go in, smash,

grab, and then run as fast as I could and get as far away. from the EU as I possibly could, as quickly as I could, and then just say, to hell with it. Just roll the dice. And as they say, may the odds ever be in your favor. Yes, indeed. Well, also, I don't know if you heard this, but it turns out that the Louvre is, it seems to have, you know, it was built in the 17th century. And it was, apparently has the same technology.

Maybe it has 19th century technology. There were all, there were no cameras in the, It's in the vision zone of the robbery, none whatsoever. And so, like a lot of French people today are very upset, and they say that this is a joke. It's making the country look foolish, and that, you know, its cultural patrimony is being heisted because of, you know, rank incompetence on the part of the authorities. I could really, first of all, two thoughts. On a practical investigatory standpoint, I would.

would think that the that the authorities will be reviewing what camera footage there is to compare people who they must have cased out the spot first right the these guys must have gone in and to and and noticed and take a note of where the cameras were placed and said okay this display is outside of the view of like of cameras so we will have this to ourselves no one's going to have video of us doing this there's a little bit of video but that was from people who were in the museum because the museum was open. So these were museum patrons who took cell phone videos. But in terms of the security footage, they must have cased the join out unless other,

they had co-conspirators who cased it out for them, which would probably be a smart move. We've all seen like Oceans 11 and Oceans 12. And, you know, this guy does that. But I think the fewer people you have involved, the more likely you are to get away with it, right? Because there's fewer people to talk or fuck out. course. Yeah, well, I would have done this John karaoke style. You know, remember how he told the story about how he went home and he was in

disguise? They forgot to change his disguise. It's scared his wife. I mean, that's what I would have done. It's just go in, you know, have a wig on, you know, fake mustache, maybe whatever, just changing my appearance. And just look like a different dude every time, right? And that way

you're getting the information that you need. You're keeping your circle small, you're keeping it tight, and then you just go in and do what you've got to do. It's kind of like that that's how I would have done it. No, agreed. Frazmataz follow-up. What's the ethnicity of the burglars? I mean, you know, we don't, well, they have their DNA, so we probably know a lot about their 23 and neutral files. Supposedly. Maybe. Maybe that's true. Maybe that's not true. But they looked white to me, you know, in the footage that I saw. But who knows. They're probably French or European anyway. I bet they're European. They could easily be some other European. But we'll see. We'll find out about that. Political consequences. before we move on. I mean, President Emmanuel Macron is, you know, is really not sitting pretty right now. He's about as popular as Eric Adams and STIs. And he's got, you know, and he's just made a very

foolish mistake of reappointing the prime minister, his fourth prime minister, who's also now his fifth prime minister, in order to, you know, hey, if you don't, you know, if you don't succeed at once, fail, fail, fail, fail again. I guess that's not. exactly what Malt-Saitung said, but, you know, something like that. This is, it's very, I could really see from a standpoint of French national pride that even though it's not a political event, it's, it's going to be interpreted. Like, I know that, like, I mean, imagine if someone stole, I don't know, what are great, like someone stole the Declaration of Independence, people would probably be like, they'd blame it on the government, right? They'd say, like, you know,

you aren't doing your job. I mean, I think the French are going to be, they're going to hold this against Macron. Well, I would. I mean, it's just like they're December of love, right? I mean, if you're a taxpayer, the social contract is I give you the money that I earn. In exchange, you give me order and security. If you're not able to provide those two things, why should I pay you taxes? It's a fair question. And I think that's a question that the people of France need to really have a good long look in the mirror, not just over this, not just over this heist. I mean, France is a joke. I know you're a dual citizen, and I'm not trying to be mean here, but seriously, France is a...

It looks like a joke right now. That's for sure. Oh, for sure. They can't control their borders. They're constantly being invaded by migrants. They can't even keep... They can't even secure their museums. Yeah.

I mean, it's a little... What's the point? Who would have ever anticipated that someone might be interested in stealing tens of millions of dollars in precious gems? Never saw that one coming. No, never. And F. You so, thanks for the donation. at least they didn't steal my crows ground jewels his wife's nuts this this is true i would love to get kandas owens on oh well that that that that's a whole thing in and of itself all right we should move on um what do you

want to talk about i always let you i always uh tee it up and let john choose the topics in order so and uh you know of course obviously oh by the way it is true that uh someone said in the feed here that, you know, white people, yeah, Tammy Landgren, thanks you, aren't some North Africans white? Yeah, sure. So, I mean, there's white people from all over the world, right? They don't have to be here, you know, so. Not for sure. Let's talk about ice.

All right, let's talk about ice. So here's what's going on. Judge Sarah Ellis is basically pissed off. She gave an order, a direct order to the Trump administration and to Homeland Security and said, Listen, if you guys are going to operate in the city of Chicago, you can't use tear gas. You can't use violent crowd control measures. And instead, they went ahead and did exactly that. They mixed it up violently with protesters, even journalists.

Remember, there's that sort of heavyset WGN lady who got attacked. I'm not sure she was on air personality, but that doesn't matter. She's still a journalist. as well as even clergymen in Albany Park. And then down on the south side of Chicago, which is a majority black, there was a crazy incident where, and this all caught on video, right? The feds think that, like, they can do whatever they want, like, there was no videos anymore. You know, videos didn't exist.

But basically, they sort of willfully crashed into people who were just sort of parked on the street. And they, you know, while trying to, and then they just sort of, as they made their getaway, tossed tear gas canisters out of the car and took off, injuring some of the locals. None of this is, you know, frankly, to me, you know, before we even get into the legal aspect of all this, these are people who are not, clearly are not properly trained in, like, riots, crowd control, policing. I mean, these ice guys, they're kind of like on us just a mad tear.

no indication that they even know how to do their jobs. Forget about whether they should be doing their jobs at all. Well, I'm looking at this a little bit differently. And for people who don't know me, because I'm usually on the back end, at least on this show, I'm a hardliner when it comes to immigration. Me personally, I have no problem with ICE doing its job. Now, that's being said, I don't think they should be wearing masks. I mean, you should be in uniform. You should have a badge John, if you're doing, if you're doing the job of enforcing the law, you shouldn't be doing it in a hide behind a mask. That being said, and it's for your own safety.

I mean, mark my words. I mean, so in my hometown of Dayton, there was an incident years and years ago. But, I mean, you know, this kind of thing has happened all over the country. We're in a very dangerous majority of black neighborhood called the West Dayton, also known as the ghetto back in the day. there was a the cop the cops went off on one of their drug raids and they got the wrong address so they break down this dude's door with a battering ram he thinks of course he lives in a terrible neighborhood he thinks he's the victim of a home invasion he wants to protect his wife and kid pulls out a gun and pops the cops right right well that's what happened here in montana at least one officer died. Of course he was arrested and tried, but ultimately he walked because the cops

failed to identify themselves. They didn't announce themselves, who they were. And more to the point, they weren't wearing uniforms. They came in unmarked cars. So if he looked out the window, he wouldn't have seen police cruisers or flashing lights. So he had no reason to believe that these were cops. Look, mark my words, someone is going to kill an ICE officer or severely wound them. And they're going to walk because the ICE officer wasn't identified. Well, yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I mean, if you're in law enforcement, you don't have to hide behind a mask. You wear a uniform. You're there to send a message. I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty weak. It's kind of almost rolling French style. If you just go in and if you're so afraid of someone taking your

picture and go wear a mask, maybe you shouldn't be in law enforcement. Maybe you should be selling aluminum siding, working at Home Depot or something. Maybe you have a different kind of job. Well, yeah. I mean, and also, I got to say, I don't understand why these ice guys are so scared, right? The majority of them are ex-military, and they're all steroided up. I mean, what are they terrified of? I mean, you took a job where your job is to beat up people, you know, and drag and kidnap them.

So, and your ex-military. I mean, surely picking on women and children isn't that hard. Okay, well, this is what I'm going to push back, because there was no outrage whatsoever whatsoever from anyone when Eisenhower sent the 101st airborne into Arkansas to enforce the anti-segregation laws or rulings of Canada from the Supreme Court. There was a lot of outrage from the locals. I mean, you've seen, you and I have both seen the historical video. Well, sure. Well, of course, but also, but here's the thing, though. We're talking about this because, oh, no, we're clutching our pearls, or at least you all.

because the feds are doing they're actually enforcing federal law the same thing happened to omiss or not that's not that's not my issue at all the federal i want to be you have a problem with you have a problem with the way the ice is going through enforcing the law the way i don't i have i have no problem ice has the legal right to uh ice has the right to interdict and um deport undocumented workers and illegal aliens they do you like the way they're doing it though that's the law Well, but okay, so they are arresting U.S. citizens. Okay, that's clearly against the law. They are snagging green card holders because they write letters to the editor.

I agree with it. That's against the law, too. I agree with the whole, listen, I agree with you the whole green card thing. If you are here legally, and if you have a green card, you're here legally, then I should not be snatching you up. It's just like if you're a Palestinian student and if you write in a student news, paper, hey, I think I oppose what Israel's doing in Gaza. You should not get stashed up and deported for that. Now, on the flip side, if you come here and you're here illegally, I am not

going to shed a tear about how Uncle Sam round you up and send you back from back to where it is you came from. Now, that being said, they should be sent them to Sudan or something. That's retarded. That they should send you back to the country. It's effectively, I mean, it's one of those things like it seems to be against the law, but it's certainly against common decency. Well, again, and common sense. But when does this country ever been concerned about decency? Well, Abraham Lincoln started a civil war because he decided he was going to send an army into a state that was ignoring tariff laws.

Well, as you know, I agree with you about Lincoln, but you know, like two wrongs don't make a right or 17 wrongs doesn't justify the 18th wrong, right? I mean, this is like right now the topic here is not, you know, it's not what about these other horrible things that happen. You know, what about torture? What about Guantanamo? All of those things are the government doing evil things, invading Iraq, all evil things. But, I mean, in this case, we're talking about something I would think that as a southerner and as a conservative you would care about, which is, you know, the federal troops violating states' rights, federalizing, you know, state national guards over the objections of state and local governments. government, you know, and going in like violent thugs, you know, all masked up and, you know,

and just basically dragging people willy-nilly. I mean, look, if you have, the way I look at it, I would politically, I wish that the Trump administration followed its promise and started with, like, you know, violence criminals and deported them first and then worked their way down the list. But even setting that aside, legally speaking, they're really not followed. They're not doing things by the book. I mean, if they, basically, it's like, if I think you, Robbie West, and I'm an ICE officer, isn't illegal, isn't illegal, I have, you know, I should get information that validates that, get a warrant from a judge, then go and arrest you, and arrest you as

nonviolently as possible. And I should identify myself. I should say, you know, I'm ICE officer Ted Raul. My badge number is 3742420. I'm here to, you violated the Immigration Act. please come with me sir please put your hand behind your back and then you know and treat you with respect and then yeah and then and then allow you to have access to an attorney talk to you know all your constitutional rights and then ultimately if you end up deported so be it that's okay with me

that's fine i agree but but here's the problem is we have had under the Biden administration and also before that you know well mostly under Biden he threw away the rule book he opened the borders and he allowed millions. And I mean that literally millions of migrants that come to the country. The system you're talking about does not work in that case because the entire infrastructure was an idiotic and stupid move, right? Of course it was. So now we're following up an idiotic and stupid move with a series more idiotic and stupid moves. But that's what we do. We're Americans. We always overreact. We always go the other way. Listen, in a perfect world, I agree with you. I'm against a militarized police force. Hell, I'm against having an

FBI. We shouldn't have a, the federal government should not be involved in law enforcement at all. It should be a state's issue. That's not the system we live in because, because federalism is dead. It's been dead since 1865. Well, that's what the Gestapo was, was the German federal police, right? And that's essentially what the FBI is. It's not really strictly, it's right, it's an investigatory unit. But it's, in some ways, it's worse than a state police because you know like the FBI like you can't really refuse to answer their questions you can take the Fifth Amendment if the cops talk to you but if the FBI if you refuse to answer in the FBI fulsomely you can easily be charged with impeding a federal

investigation I know and that's and that's the problem they run into you so as as a conservative I don't even know what the word even means anymore because there's nothing in the system I want to conserve I want to blow it up to start over well there never were any conservatives way, Robbie, right? I mean, seriously, when I was growing up and I learned about conservatives, I was like, okay, so conservatives to me would be people who kind of pretty much want to keep the status quo, don't break it if it isn't fixed. I mean, don't fix it if it isn't broken. And that just doesn't seem to be, you know, I don't know many people like that. I mean, I know right wingers. I know all sorts of different kinds of right wingers. I know nationalists.

I know imperialists. I know colonialists. But I don't really know anyone who's just like, we're good. Just just leave it be. Don't change anything. Yeah, because it's not. It's completely broken. And as far as Trump calling up the National Guard on the TMI show, I gave you a nice solution for that. And if any of these governors would listen and the fact of some inbred redneck that has a family tree doesn't have any forks can come up with this idea, but these educated governors can't blows my mind. The president, the president cannot federalize, the state militia. So what you do is that you disband the National Guard and call it the militia. That solves that problem. Think about what I just said. The National Guard,

I'm telling this for the benefit of the audience, right? The federal government, they sold the, they sold the National Guard Act as a alternative to the militia because the, the National Guard can be federalized. That's why it can be sent overseas. American Sweetheart Seven asks a good question. Why does no one talk about going after the people hiring undocumented workers? I mean, I'm not going to say it never comes up. I'm just going to say it almost never comes up, right?

It's like every time you hear in the news about like the, you know, the immigration crisis or if you view it as a crisis, it's always, you know, 99 times out of 100. It's about the workers themselves. It's not about the employers. And the thing is, you and I both know the answer to that, right? Because a lot of the people who hire them are big business, right? You know, like Tyson Foods used to be notorious in Arkansas for hiring tons of illegal immigrants.

You know, agribusiness hires a lot of undocumented workers. You know, everyone I know who has like a nanny, or a or a housekeeper here in Manhattan who's like wealthy and well off you know everyone knows they're you know they're undocumented so i mean it's the rich and powerful who are you know they they are exploiting these poor people literally poor people who are coming from overseas for a better life and and underpaying them and driving down american wages i mean the whole thing is a shit show yeah well that's the whole point right i mean people people treat immigration as a victimless crime said oh no we got though these poor people they're coming in here for

a better life I that's true I mean that is true but they're being they're being but they're being used but they're being but they're being used and also they're being used as a cudgel to beat down the American working class by depressing wages right we that's not why they're here they're not like no they're here to loot the country I mean let's just be honest not looting they're not really minimum wage and no one's looting anything oh okay So you're telling me that where businesses aren't a thing where you go and you earn money, you just send it back to the country, which you came from. Yeah,

there's a thing. These are people who come from desperately poor places where 20 bucks goes along to you and you're giving to somebody else. It's called looting. It's, look, the thing is, the way it's like this. If you leave your front door wide open and people walk in and like and steal your

television, the insurance company isn't covering you, right? Because like you didn't lock your door. There was no breaking and entering. And like Joe Biden. and every previous president left the door wide open. It's like you can't really,

you can't really blame the people who walk and by like, hey, that's a nice TV they got in there. And that's the whole thing about Trump. I mean, you can criticize what he's doing things. The question that I have, though,

is what alternative do you have? I mean, the system is broken. If you sling the door open like what you're talking about, and you have a home and you just have a homeless encampment that comes in and they just start squatting in your house, we want the, we want the police to come in and get them strongly worded letter,

asked them to please leave or you want them to throw you out or throw them out well of course i want them thrown out and of course there you go all these terrible cases where people actually break into homes but you know there are squatters rights and i think kind of rightly so for people who really abandoned their property like here in new york in the 1970s and 80s uh neighborhoods like the east village uh alphabet city soho had tons of abandoned space and we're talking about like even if you were like oh I'd like to find the landlord and offer to rent this space. You couldn't because they were long gone, right? They had given up on this property.

So people, you know, those are basically, there's holes in the wall. People can just move in. I don't see any, I don't really have a problem with that. That's not what we're talking about here. But anyway, it's not, I don't know. It's not a strictly great analogy. But I have great compassion for immigrants. I have no compassion for policymakers.

or for big employers who are creating a situation where they're forcing us, well, they're encouraging us to divide and they're dividing and conquering us, right? We're on the same side or should be on the same side as, you know, so-called illegal immigrants because we're all getting fucked by the same people. But here's the problem, though, is that the illegal immigrants are being used to fuck the people that were born here. That's the issue. Well, that's the divide and conquer thing I just said.

I know. And so that's the point I'm bringing out, just like America. and sweetheart, she made a no, no, she made a comment just a second ago. She's like, Robbie, they earn monies in the back. I mean, don't they have the right to do what they want to with their money? The answer is yes. Does they work for it? They earned it. Here's the issue. The reason why government and business like immigration is because it depresses wages. That is a statement of that. I know. Look, Robbie, I thought of you this morning, you know, not in that kind of way. I was listening to NPR and they had a story out of

of Montana, your home state. And it was about the difficulty in hiring public school teachers. They said that, you know, years ago they had no problem getting 20 or 30 applicants per teaching opening in like a public school. Now they're lucky if one or two people show up and they're worried that the, I think it's the J1 visa program, which is sort of one step below the H-1B visa program is being curtailed and they don't know where they're going to find their public teachers. They said, oh, Americans don't apply for these jobs. And they said, oh, they pay an average of $50,000 or $60,000 a year, which in Montana doesn't sound too bad, except that I've been to Montana, and I know it's really expensive. And like the thing is,

I thought, like to myself, they're like, well, we can't hire anyone. I'm like, okay, well, listen, you could pay more. And I know the principal or the superintendent would say, we don't have that budget. That's true. But let's just say you can't feel, this is how economic pressure works. Let's say you can't fill the position at $60,000 a year and the position goes empty and you can't offer, say, French. Okay, well, you know, the thing is that you're going to then you're going to put pressure on city council to say, listen, we need to pay our teachers better so that we can get some Americans in here to take these jobs. Otherwise, these positions are going to go empty and our schools are going to go to shit. and then the city council is going to pressure the taxpayers to pay more property taxes to fund those schools. I mean, there has to be pressure. You can't sort of passively say, well, that's just the

budget. That's just how much we pay. That's just what it is. It can't be helped. It was brought back. Moses brought these teachers' salaries from Montana down from the mountain, and now we're stuck with them. That's not how it goes. Well, the thing is, I mean, I know we have to move on, but here's the thing. So I understand that I come across sound like a massive raging asshole because of the way that I talk about immigration. Because you're mean to people who were really poor and are doing exactly what you would do if you were in their position.

Like if you, because you love your family more than anything. And if they were desperate and you lived in, you know, a shithole country and you were like, I had a chance to walk through the open border of the United States. and maybe send a remittance back to your wife and kid, you would 100% cross through the Dary and gap and do that. 100%. I mean, here's the thing. I'm not mad at the immigrant.

I promise you, I'm not. Okay. It sounds like you are, though. Well, they don't have a right to be here. No, well, I have, I have, although in a way they do. If the doors left open, look, they literally show up at Eagle Pass, Texas,

and like, they fill out an appointment with, you know, under Biden. And they're like, yeah, I'd like to be there at, 115. It's like open table. And they show up and then they're like, okay, you're good. Have a good day. How are they illegal immigrants? If I go to, if I go to Dubai and I'm like, hey, I'm here.

I'd like to come here and work. And they're like, okay, come on in. How am I an illegal immigrant? Take a breath for a second. Who makes the laws of this country? Congress or the president? Well, these days the president. But theoretically Congress, yeah.

Okay. So then do we have these things called immigration laws on the books? Yes. of course. Okay. So why do you have immigration laws? To determine who gets to live here. That's right. The reason why sand is cheap is because there's a lot of it. You cannot on one hand say that you give two shits about workers, workers' wages and the ability to make a living while on the other side of your mouth saying that we have the right to import the entire fucking third world to come live here, drive down our wages

because they are having a bad time where they're come from. So just change the laws. Ted pressure Congress how about we enforce the law go vladen paler style good fences made good neighbors do that too but I mean the point is that like they did the point is that if people if you know it's not the illegal immigrants fall and we do have to move on it's not their fault that these laws weren't enforced they have agency Ted they came here they have agency this is it's retroactive enforcement though right this is like okay of course it is in Well, the speed limit on the New Jersey turnpike is 55. No one drives under 80. They just don't. Okay. And so, like, what happens if, like, you know, the New Jersey state police decide to look at all the cameras on the turnpike and give issue retroactive tickets, like, 10 years

from now for everyone who ever drove, like, at, you know, over the speed limit, that's ridiculous. They weren't enforcing the law. There was a norm that was unenforced. You could say, well, they should have been enforcing the law. But they weren't. you can only you know this is retro that's my problem with it by all means close the border now and don't let new people in i agree with that we have high unemployment but like you know

you can't go back and say to people that we welcomed with open arms who's this what fuck are you doing here asshole hold on who the hell's this we who well it's not me but it's the country but it's the policy or shit ever's Joe Biden in his administration you can right no i'm I'm calling bullshit right here right now there is no we. The American people were not asked our opinion on this. Show me where the boat was. It's just like with Thomas Massey what's going on with him right now. He's trying to force

a boat of the Epstein files being released. Congress has shut down. Partly, and I submit this, is because Speaker Johnson is scared to death that Massey's going to have his way and get those Epstein files released. The American people want those files released.

We're not getting them. The American people want higher wages. We're not getting them. The American people want to do something about the debt. We're not getting any of that. But then, though, we have people on the left like you're saying. But they have people on the left say, like, oh, these poor immigrants, fuck them. They can go back home.

I just don't see that. Look, I know you have a personal connection to all this. And like, and it's worth hearing. By the way, people should go and listen to my interview with Robbie and it'll give you some good background. It's very, it's actually super fascinating. But let's move on. All right.

What do we want to talk about? Do you want to talk about, let's talk about this American Airlines flight very quickly, right? So I thought this was a, I'm always interested in the law of unintended consequences. So American Airlines, 65, 69 from Omaha to L.A. yesterday left Omaha, 36 minutes later, the pilot heard pounding on the locked cockpit door. So he freaked out and thought terrorists were trying to break in and hijack the plane, returned the plane to Omaha. It turns out that the radio link between the flight deck and the main cabin wasn't working. And the crew had no way to communicate with the pilot. By the way, it's a radio link, right?

You'd think you would think that it wouldn't be radio. You'd think it would be like a, not like a walkie-talkie. You'd think it'd be like an internal wire. But anyway, the point is, I'm not sure if that's like a typo in the story. But anyway, this led me to think, okay, so thank God there was no terrorist attack. Great. Okay. But this was this was a security measure locked cabin cockpit doors went into effect after the 9-11 hijackings. And I always wondered someday there might be a problem. What if let's say there was a threat, a problem on the plane, like a distressed passenger, you know, damage to the fuselage, a terrorist trying to do something bad in, you know, in the main cabin. And there's no way for them to communicate. that to the pilot and they knock on the door but he's like I ain't you know I hear you knocking but you can't come in like Dave Edmonds um like well then then what right I mean this it just seems

like there's got to be a better way I don't know I mean it's how it breaks to the bottom right I mean it's interesting we can't the I mean Boeing's planes even fall apart midair I mean, it's, I'm not really sure what the, what the solution is to this. I think we just kind of just got to just completely start over and just work from basics to work a way up. I mean, first and foremost, I think one of the things that hasn't started to happen is, you know, just airline safety, just in general, though I know it's like to work for free. Mattina says they couldn't text.

Good question. I mean, if there's online, if there's, if there's Wi-Fi on the plane, they should be able to text. Or there should be some kind of like transponder type. device that they could type something to the pilot. There should be, look, what's, what's needed here is obviously or even just use NFC on your, on your phone or a badge. If you have to get in, just the badge of way in or something. Or maybe, or maybe there could be like a window, right?

Like a, like a shockproof window, you know, like they have in submarines where, you know, that you can be like, you point to a piece of paper. Like, there are snakes on the plane. yeah we got problems here i mean i mean i don't know it just it seems like there's just no common sense anymore in american business brasmuthas says knock on the door on morse code yes we've got a problem it's just it's just crazy i don't know i don't know what the solution is for that and i've only been on a plane three times i think in the 49 years I've been on this earth, so I'm kind of the wrong person to ask about this.

I just don't know how it works. But what I don't understand, honestly, like, we, this is a country that, like, it wants to impose regime change on other countries, and we're going to get to Venezuela. We want to, we send, we have a probe in interstellar space beyond Pluto now. We, we, and we're not capable of figuring something out as basic as this. I mean, we want driverless cars. but we've had you know we've had passenger aviation now for a hundred years and like you know we haven't figured i mean it just seems so what's that word retarded yes that's the word we're trying

to bring back by the way it's a it's a good word it's an important word my name starts with an r i'm partial to names the words that start with r my last name starts with an r minus too yeah we got to bring the r word words back that no represent no represent indeed uh effie so thanks for the donation says borders were opened so that we can have an authoritarian authoritarian authoritarian overreaction which builds the surveillance and police state i can see that i mean i mean if you're going to have any kind of authoritarian government it's the it's like the big version of the of the seizure of the commons right yeah well i mean you you got to have you got to have a crisis so

it's a well-known tactic that the government would create a crisis just to then offer the solution to the crisis they created. Yeah, it happens. Yeah, we do see that. Do you go ahead and do an ad? Let's do the ad.

In the meantime, I'll just throw this out there. American sweetheart says, Robbie, if they earn the money, the immigrants, and send it back, I mean, don't they have the right to do what they want with their money? I don't think you were arguing. You were arguing anything different there, right?

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so all right so let's talk about Israel and we'll do Venezuela next so it looks so right now Vance Whitkoff and Kushner are all on their way to Israel and basically what's interesting is that you know Donald Trump seems to share our opinion and conventional wisdom that Bibi Netanyahu is not at all interested in peace he's just trying to stay out of jail and stay in power and that basically he's looking for any excuse or any pretext to blow it up. The Israelis have already killed at least 50 Palestinians during the ceasefire. And they, you know, they seemed and they, you know, their narratives haven't been, let's just say, exactly credible. So Trump's looks like he's sending those guys over there to, you know, knock BB across the head and say, cut the

shit and stick to it. Is that going to work? And if, and like, how is that going to look? I mean, I don't, I think the only real leverage the U.S. has. I mean, we have a lot of leverage over Israel, but we never seem to want to use it. But we can say we're cutting off your money. We're not going to support you in the U.N. Security Council with our endless vetoes. Every time someone tries to hold you to account, we're not going to protect you from the ICC or the ICJ anymore. You know, we can stop intelligence sharing. We can stop supplying weapons. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we can do.

Israel is we think that we're there bitch, but the truth is there are bitch. We're just not acting like it. It's very strange. No, we're there bitch because they have APAC. I mean, let's be honest. But no one's going to care about APAC like in the, you know, I mean, APAC is, sure, they have money, but I mean, they don't have, They don't represent significant political support in the United States anymore, according to the polls. Ted, you assume that the politicians actually care about what the voters think.

We have a government by donor. I must be honest here. It's like, for example, we have a country of 340 million people. Last presidential election, we had a extremely qualified candidate in the form of Kamala Harris, who worked for her senile boss. The most qualified candidate to ever run for president. To run against an autistic dude who failed in his first presidency. That's the best we could do.

No, it's because we get the government that the donors pay for. And APEC is a big part of that. So no, no question. But like, okay, so what's going to happen here with these three guys who are heading over? I mean, obviously Trump seems at least Trump seems serious about this for now, right? I mean, he doesn't have, like, he doesn't have much of an attention span. You know. So, so what do you think?

Do you think Netanyahu can or will resist or will he just, like, play for time? Oh, no, he can and he will resist. I mean, Netanyahu on film said he owns the American Congress. The American Congress will not work for the benefit of its own people, but it will work for the benefit of Israel. if Trump tries to in any way, shape, or form punish Israel, Congress is going to backhand him. They will actually come out of their perpetual retirement

just to screw his agenda. B.B. is going to get his war. The genocide is going to continue and the American taxpayer is going to continue paying for it. Sorry. Maybe I'm cynical, but I mean, that's how I see it. No, I mean, I, look, I think that's probably right. But, I mean, to me, it's very strange that the president can't have his way here.

I mean, look, he can't, right? I mean, you could tell the Israelis, get rid of Netanyahu. I mean, literally, we could do what Hillary Clinton did when under Obama, when she was choosing the new government of Ukraine over the phone. They could do the same thing here. They literally, the White House could call the Israelis and say, we want Clovis as Minister of the Interior. We want Robbie as Secretary as Minister of Defense and so on. They could do that.

They just choose not to. Of course. And that's what's going to happen. I mean, listen, Trump had the single biggest cell phone ever on international TV when he was addressing the Israeli Knesset. And Miriam Adelson was sitting there on the front row. and Trump was talking in his autistic way that he does. And about when he asked her, which country do you love more?

Israel or the United States? And then he said that she wouldn't answer. Well, the United answer is an answer. And she just sitting there with that smug look on her face and Trump says up there giggling like a four-year-old. Tells you everything that you need to know. Well, we are an occupied,

colonized country. We have been conquered by this little pissamp, excuse of a country, but the population of 9 million people, the size of New Jersey with no natural resources, but they own the American, they own the American government. A hundred thousand Americans die every single fucking year because of drugs. No one cares. Rob, oh my God. So you know how things keep going the way they always happen until they don't. And I think we are potentially at one of those moments for sure. Well, the interview that we did with the Zoomers that aired yesterday on the TMI show, that shows where the breakout is going to happen. It's going to the next generation. Tusk PC is asking, you know, about your comment that sort of just sort of slipped by.

Trump is autistic? I'm autistic and my radar doesn't pick it up. Well, he definitely seems autistic to me. Let's just put it that way. I mean, the dude, he's just, he's all over the place. He has the attention span of a nap. He has ADHD. I think he has ADHD or something like that.

I mean, you know, so many, the thing is, right, psychiatry is barely a hundred years old, you know, and so we're kind of like, it's not like it's not a real thing, but it's morphing so quick, so much. And, you know, we have these, you know, the idea of personality disorders is relatively new. And, you know, like, what is the spectrum? I mean, and, you know, like, what is neurodivergence? Is everybody neurodivergent? Is it just a, I think that's kind of like where I stand is like, everybody's like their own kind of weirdo basically i i think that goodna over on youtube has it right using it as a pejorative i think that's probably accurate because called called him stupid is is not the right word trump's not he's not stupid he's not stupid that's the problem if he was stupid he's one of the most i mean he's one of the most brilliant campaigners this country has ever seen oh trump would be a lot less dangerous if he if it was retarded the problem is he's not he just he sucks at he sucks at his job yeah well that's true all right we got to talk about netting yahoo i mean not net yeah venezuela we talked about nan yahoo um so this is this was a very

interesting story if you go over to military dot com there's a whole assessment of the current situation in venezuela uh between the united states and venezuela obviously all eyes have been on the bombings of these five boats, and now a Colombian fishing vessel, a fisherman. Apparently it was a distressed fisherman who was unable to get back to shore. He was the victim there in Colombia. But that's a side show. And so we now have 10,000 U.S. troops patrolling the southern Caribbean off the coast of northern Venezuela. And they are supposedly there to interdict drug boats, although those drug boats are not headed to the United States. They're headed mainly to Trinidad, and maybe in some cases they're heading off to Africa, where they're then distributed, as John pointed out, along old

canvassery routes in the Sahara Desert, which is kind of fascinating in and of itself. But they make cocaine there, same thing in Colombia, right? They don't make fentanyl. Fentanyl is what's afflicting the United States and killing our young people. These, so, but anyway, these 10,000 U.S. troops are, what would they face? Because it seems pretty clear, according to people who've seen the administration's internal documents, that there's absolutely no there when it comes to Venezuela as a source or threat to the United States as so-called narco-terrorists. That's just a lie. That's just not true. And that this is really about overthrowing Nicolas Maduro. So, Nicolas Maduro, not stupid either, has issued a declaration of

emergency, not surprising, considering that his nationals are being blown up like they're going out of style when they ever get out on a boat. He claims to have a militia with eight million people armed with RPGs, anti-tank systems, and that they've been trained in Caracas, in the slums and urban warfare. They've got Russian-supplied SU-30 jets that have been buzzing an aircraft carrier there. They have various missile sites, the S-125, the Igla S, et cetera. They've got a lot of stuff from Russia. And basically, there's no ground logistics on the part of the United States.

So in other words, it seems to me like if the U.S. is going to do anything against Caracas, they're going to be launching an air campaign. It's going to look like Serbia, right? It'll look the Kosovo War in the mid-90s under Clinton. It's not going to be like an Iraq-style invasion. But the point is you can't really overthrow Nicolas Maduro, who is popular in Venezuela without a ground invasion. So if there is a ground invasion, however,

it looks like there will be guerrilla warfare on an epic level, even if Maduro is exaggerating about the numbers and the weaponry in the way that Saddam did. Could this be the Trump's version of the Iraq war, You know, and basically looking for a war against a country that does and has meant us no harm whatsoever where the local leader is popular and where there will be active, sustained, violent resistance against U.S. troops. I don't think it will happen because he would have such a backlash from the America First faction on the right. There's nothing America First about this. if you're concerned about immigration like I am,

the absolute last thing that you want to do is start a major war in a really big South American country, especially when there's no plan for what happens next. That sounds familiar. That does sound like Iraq. Yeah. Well, it's Iraq.

Well, they had Ahmed Chalabi who was supposedly going to run the whole country. Yeah. I mean, seriously, I mean, what is America first about any of this? The answer is nothing. And I think that would be one of the cases where Congress, again, could get involved

because the War Powers Act will let you that President wage war on his own for what, 50 days? I mean, what happens after that? Robbie, you're making me laugh. You think that Congress is finally going to stand up to Trump on this issue? Yeah, I do. Because the left of paint it

with paint Trump as being a racist. And then the American first people like me because this does not serve the American interest in any way, shape, or form. It counters American interest. And then you're going to actually have unexpected help from the neocons who are wanting to keep the war going in Ukraine for as long as they can. For every bomb that we drop on Venezuela is one less bomb we're able to get to kill those pesky Russians. So at the end of the day, I think politically would be a disaster and more to the point, I mean, seriously, we've seen this movie before. what's the goal?

Okay, you take out Maduro. Who replaces them? What happens next? Well, of course, they don't have any plan for that at all. Of course not. And also, I mean, look, I think the bottom line is there won't be a ground invasion just because obviously this president, I don't think, has any appetite for that. I think he's doing basically one of these things like, let's see if we can get rid of this guy easily. And if it's a lot of work, and if he sticks with it, I'll move on to my next project.

I think what he's trying to do, honestly, I think what he's trying to do, he's trying to stir this stuff up in our hemisphere to try and take pressure and take eyeballs off of what's going on in Israel. I think that's what this is. He's trying to change the conversation. There's two things Trump doesn't want to talk about. He doesn't want to talk about Epstein and he doesn't want to talk about Gaza. So then what do you do?

But let me push back a little bit. I mean, like both the thing is, if he does invade Venezuela, he will have the support tacit or direct of all of the mainstream corporate media outlets, including liberal ones like the New York Times and the Washington Post, they'll all be behind them because they've been slagging Nicolas Maduro for years. And before that, Hugo Chavez, right, as evil socialists. Who the hell cares? Glenn Greenwald, Kim Iverson, and Tucker and Tucker Carlson get more viewers than CNN does.

All media is where the power is. Okay, so let me ask you this. All right. So from a MAGA perspective, are people, they don't care about the boats because it's just 30 people? Is that basically the size of it? And it's not a full-fledged war? I think that they're just not paying attention, to be honest to the. I think that just the average MAGA voter is more concerned with paying their bills, paying rent than Trump belonging up the odd speed boat.

I think that they're just, I think they're just more concerned with, with just their domestic economic situation that's deteriorating. Now, the way that you change that is when you start actually, the rattle, the same rattling for a brand new war, that's something entirely different. If Trump is serious, also the American people are not stupid. If the, if Trump really wanted to crack down on, you know, on the fentanyl and stuff that's, that's wasting tens of thousands of Americans every year, he would be going into Mexico, not Venezuela. And people know that. People do know that.

And obviously he cannot do that. Look, we're going to have to watch the Venezuela story because I think it's a big deal. If I could, I would go President Polk style. And I would say, damn the consequences and I would fix the problem. Trump's not that guy.

What, you would go into Venezuela? No, I'd go to Mexico City. Ah, well, Yeah, I guess those days seem to be like in the past now. So thank you, everyone, for listening to a show. Robbie, thank you so much for sitting in for John again.

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