DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Do Platner’s Sexts Matter? | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• Graham Platner, whose contest in Maine is a key to Democrats’ hopes of winning the US Senate, sought to discredit reports that he had exchanged sexual messages with women outside his marriage. Can his candidacy survive?• Four detainees at the largest ICE detention gulag in the U.S. filed a federal lawsuit alleging human rights abuses, "horrific" conditions and "severe medical neglect" at the facility. "Detained people are regularly subjected to severe beatings or sexual harassment by guards; squalid living conditions; spoiled and inadequate food; no meaningful programming or recreation; inadequate access to basic hygiene products such as soap, razors or nail clippers, outbreaks of disease; and limited or no access to sunlight," according to the complaint.• Ras Baraka, the mayor of Newark NJ, has imposed a curfew on the area surrounding Delaney Hall, the ICE detention gulag that has become a flashpoint in the debate over Trump’s mass deportation drive. The announcement comes amid a flare-up in tensions outside the centre, which is run by the private contractor GEO Group.• In a surprisingly strong performance, right-wing outsider candidate Abelardo de la Espriella will face leftist candidate senator Iván Cepeda in a June runoff election to decide Colombia’s presidency, setting the stage for a battle over the country’s political future. De la Espriella won the most ballots with 43.74% of the vote, with Cepeda getting 40.90%, both falling short of the absolute majority required to win outright.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

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during the 12 noon Eastern Time Q&A show. So you can ask us anything and everything at that time. You can talk about the news. You can talk about not the news, whatever you want. Okay, what's going on with JT? Do we know? He is still streaming. He is still streaming. Is he on with Mark Sloboda by any chance? He is. He is on with Mark Sloboda.

I see. They are, yeah. So it looks like. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. But you know, hey, that's okay. I mean, no. It has to be.

Listen, JT's loss is our gains because what that means is since he's going to blow off, deep program, that shall just simply get more Robbie time. That's true. That's true. So anybody who doesn't like Robbie, you can blame JT. All right. So here's what we're talking about today. And Robbie, while you're here, you can sort of chime in and give us your thought, you know, chime in with your thoughts about all this. I'm very interested in what you have to think about Graham Platner. Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine. This is a much high profile campaign that's been going on.

Over the weekend, a former campaign manager for the campaign revealed to the press that Platner has been. sexting. She said numerous women. The campaign says six. No indication as to whether or not there's anything beyond the digital space there, whether actually anything physical happened there or not. But anyway, the question is whether these sexually oriented improprieties, alleged, alleged, alleged, are going to matter in this campaign. We're also going to talk about, there's a lot of ICE-related stories for detainees at that, huge detention gulag down in Texas have filed a federal lawsuit that are alleging some fairly horrific human rights abuses. Basically, we'll get into the details of that. Part of downtown Newark,

New Jersey is currently under lockdown, under curfew after a weekend of rioting between pro and anti-ice and also ICE themselves. And then state police. and local police there in Newark. So Delaney Hall is the ICE detention facility there in Newark that we're talking about there. And then finally, there he is. And finally, there's some election results in Colombia that seem to be pointing to the possible rise of a surprise rise of a right-wing candidate, Abolardo de Espriela, and I pronounce, and I apologize to all Spanish speakers. listening to me and around the world. Good morning, Jimarle Thomas. It wasn't a surprise to hear

that you were talking to Mark Sloboda. But how are you doing? Yes. I was talking about. I missed out my question. That is my fault. You have my apologies. The audience. Yeah, I missed on my question. I looked at the thing. I was like, oh, damn, it's 855. That's all good. It's fine. All right. All right. All right. All right. So, Anyway, I set up everything. I'm kicking out Robbie. All right, J.T.

Good to see you. So big stories today. Graham Platner, ICE riots in Newark, ICE lawsuit in Texas, and the Colombian elections. Where would you like to start? And Owen, before I forget, as always, if you have a question,

pipe it in. Well, Colombian elections, they're going to have a runoff in June, correct, if I'm wrong. That's correct. That's correct. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. So they're going to have a runoff in June. So the right wing candidate apparently has won, despite only implying that they weren't expected to. And so now the runoff is going to take place. And obviously, Colombia, this is what, Petro Gustava. He's term limited out. Petro Gustav. Yeah.

Yeah. So basically, the left wing is leaving. And there is either going to be a left wing or right wing candidate that basically takes over Colombia. which is going to be somewhat of a big deal for South America, especially in the context of the Trump administration and this kind of, let's say, pressure that is being applied to South America by the U.S. and it's kind of Monroe Doctrine 2.0. Yeah, it's going to matter.

I guess a question becomes what does this runoff look like? And I don't entirely have an answer for it. I haven't had an opportunity to talk to anybody in Columbia to figure out what the hell is going on in Colombia. You know what? Kincaat. Dan Kaballel. Not Kincah. Dan Kabbalt.

I need to get him on to talk about this. Let's do that. Because he was, so Gustavo was suing and Kabbalik was his lawyer. Oh, wow. And so Kavalli may know what's one. I mean, so I have

friends of friends who are Colombian and the story that I hear is that this is something that we see throughout Latin America right now and it's not like a new problem. But there's definitely a backlash against street crime and disorder, particularly related to the drug trade.

There's a general sense that the streets are out of control in the big cities there, and a lot of voters are really angry about it. So there's kind of like there's the usual clash between this very, this very divided, economically divided, disparate country between very rich elites and very, very rich elites and very poor working class people.

But then added, but what's tipping things over, and just to be clear here, so Della Espreela, who's the conservative, he got 43.74% of the vote. His left wing number two, and who's the running against him, is Yvonne Sepeda. He got 40.90%. I think, you know, by most objective standards,

we would say that that's pretty much neck and neck. So, you know, this was in a field of more than, of multiple candidates. And so just because, by the way, just because you come out ahead in, you know, in a, let's say, among seven, doesn't mean you're going to win because, you know, it all depends on what happens, what, what do the voters who supported the third, fourth, fifth candidates? Where do they go? That's what's going to determine the outcome here. So, I mean, it's entirely possible that Della Espreella will not, you know, will not win.

But he's got the winded, he's got the wind of his back clearly in a way that, because it was unexpected. People just didn't see him coming. So, and also this is like a general trend also where a lot of elections, not just in, you know, but like in central and Eastern Europe, but also in Latin America have been going toward the right in like under. in the Trump era. I wonder, I mean, the crime thing, fair enough, I accept that. I wonder, and maybe we look at this stuff from too high level, like when we're looking at it, we're looking kind of down at the world, almost like a chess board. Like a game of risk, yeah.

Yeah, there's Lula in Brazil, and there's Castava and Colombia, et cetera, et cetera, when really it may be basic material items on the ground that is making it a difference in the way that these people are elected, meaning they're not looking at this big picture of Trump pressuring South America. What does it mean if you have all of these right wing? I don't want to say lunatics, but the right wing basically taken over the various countries in South America. What does it mean? That type of stuff. I don't think it works that way at all. Yeah, I don't think voters in any country go to the polls thinking like, well, what were the geopolitical implications of my vote, right? I mean, if any country was going to do that, it would be Israel because its fate is so closely intertwined with Americas.

And look at them. They don't seem to take, you know, they don't vote in accordance with the way most Americans would want them to vote. They don't care. I have a question for you. What does right wing mean in South America? I know what a right winger is in the United States. I am one. But what does it mean in Latin America?

Define that term for it because I have no idea what you're talking about. Well, it's going to be against the left wing is going to be pro safety net. The right wing is anti-safety net more in favor of austerity. And most of those countries have good safety nets or dead and arrow. Right-wingers are really hard on crime to the point of being willing to, you know, violate basic human rights in order to crack down on crime. Left wingers turn a blind eye more. Do it. You know.

What am I missing here? Well, to me, I look at it, Malay, Bolznarro, the lunatic in El Salvador that has made agreements with street crime and all that stuff behind the scenes that the U.S. Blake really just ignores the fact that he's doing so. That's the way I look at it, meaning if you're looking at standard for what right-wing means, look at the right-wing leaders who get put into power and what they do when they're at office. That's the way I look at it. So you kind of make this dumb redneck level, right? right wing means safe streets, and if you're criminally going to go away forever. El Salvador is the most dangerous country in the world, and now it's probably safer than

every major American city combined. I don't know about that last part, but it's definitely everyone would report that it's definitely safer than it used to be. That's definitely true. And basically, you know, I mean, the thing is, yeah, the tough on crime thing is a big feather in the cap of the right, but their weakness is that they're. so that they're into austerity and they trash the safety net, which frankly is popular with most people. Then how do they... In the government, like, if you're talking about, like, that Honduras,

oh, what is the other one, Honduras, the one with evil Morales. Oh, Bolivia. Yeah. Bolivia. I mean, Bolivia, thank you. The right wing that took over there were just a right fascist. Right. I mean, like, so it depends on what you mean by right wing.

I guess from my point of view, I started looking at the leaders of these countries and what these guys do. And sure, you can say that some of these guys are hard on crime, but I agree with the safety net thing. Like you can't, you can't have it both ways. You can't say, okay, we're going to have people to be destitute and impoverished, etc. By the same token, we're going to be tough on crime. You're effectively a turn to people with the criminals through the poverty and claiming you're being tough on crime. It depends on how you look at. from my

but doesn't they get on tough crime then encourage people to come and start new businesses rather domestically or foreign investment because no one wants to start a business in a place where you get looted, robbed, and murdered. So doesn't the crime problem, doesn't that then work on fixing

the economic problems? Then you don't need the safety net because you get these things called jobs. If you think that foreign investment is that determinative. I mean, in no country really, well, I shouldn't say in very few countries is domestic, is foreign investment going to generate nearly as many jobs as domestic investment, right? You want like a vibrant domestic economy. I don't really care that much about foreign investment. That's my point, though. Like if I wanted to start a business and if I was always getting

shaken down for, no, for money, for protection money or whatever else, and you have no drug dealers just running everywhere, if that only... It makes you really... move thinking I then start a domestic business? No, I mean, look, that is absolutely something that that is a blind spot for much of the left, including here in the U.S. I mean, you're right. I mean, I met people in former Soviet Central Asia. I met a guy.

He was like an entrepreneur. He's like, oh, I used to have a pizza shop here outside the university. And in Central Asia, the main criminal gang is the police. So the police were shaking me down all the time for bribes. And they wanted so much money that they were eating up my entire. higher profit margin and I just couldn't stay in business. So they drove me out of business. He probably hired a few dudes to make the pizza, right? So those people are all out of work now. And you're right. Look, if you don't have law and order and people might find this surprising

coming from someone with my politics. But if you don't have law and order, you don't have anything. Nothing else matters. You don't need democracy. You don't need, you know, you don't need free speech. None of those things matter. You've got to be able to walk out of the street, without someone taking your stuff or hurting you and you have to be able to start a business without having someone rob it and get away with it. That's true. By the way, you also can't deprive the institutions of the state that allow law and order that allow these things to prosper. Ecuador being one of those examples. Where you have a right-wing government, you have a crime-ridden country that was in large part

because the right-wing government deprived that government of institutions that would have prevented the crime and the drugs in the first place. Meaning when I went to Ecuador, Ecuador was a beautiful country. Ecuador is a hellscape currently with politicians being shot in the streets. Now you could say, well, the lefties did it. The lefties didn't do that. That wasn't the left. That was a depriving institutions, basically cutting funding to the various institutions,

allowing those gangs and whatnot to prosper in the country itself. I'm saying, well, yes, you need law and order. But I'm also pointing out that you also need the ability for the state, be able to supply, let's say, to have a country that it's not necessarily so poor that people don't turn the crime in the first place. And these are not inherently poor countries, right? I mean, these are countries with vast natural resources with, you know, they should be, they should have vibrant economies. They should be doing well. So when they're poor, it's because of disparity of wealth usually caused by corruption. And, you know, the legacy goes back to colonialism. And often

you're talking about countries that just have a few elite families that have been hogging most of the wealth. And that results. And of course, if you're an ambitious, hardworking person in a country like that, you will form and join and grow your gang, because that's the only way to make anything out of yourself. I mean, no question. Like, I don't think we're making an argument against law and order. No. No, I mean, I don't think the, I think, I think, I mean, I don't see any conflict. I mean, the Soviet Union believed in law and order. I mean, you know, communist China believed in in law and order. I mean, the left. I mean, the left. I mean, liberals don't always, aren't always good at it. But leftists usually are. Yeah. I mean, you almost have to. If you're having a socialist government, I mean, yeah, you, yeah, you really do. Because there's, yeah. And we can get into all that. We've got a lot to cover. and we've got a lot of comments. Thank you for your comments. Please put them in if you're watching live 9 a.m. Eastern Time on the East Coast,

and you're watching on YouTube and or Rumble. Please go ahead and put your questions in the live chat. Priority goes to the paid ones. Those are the Rumble Rants and the Super Chats. But we try to get to all of them. Okay, here we go. Off to the races. I am not going to – I'm going to put this –

I mean, this will be a question that I don't want to answer F you. So does Robbie know who wrote the Gospels and when they were written? okay hell fucking put it in but it be quick robbie uh the answer is not not definitively probably about 40 to 50 years after uh Jesus resurrected the one gospel that we really know of for sure who wrote it was Luke um about jim gospel of john well i personally i believe that that john did but can i prove it no because some people said that john of patinus was different than the Apostle John. The Bible says it's the same guy.

Can I prove it? No. It's a matter of faith. But if you're looking for a time stamp where Robbie could say this happened, I cannot 100% sound for everybody. But I do believe the four gospels were written by the three apostles and then Luke, who learned under Paul. What do you think of the Coptic? What do you think of the Coptic gospels that sort of,

get the chopping block, hit the cutting room floor. I'd never read them because they're not canon. Really? The book of Enoch is fascinating. Oh, it's fascinating. Well, I'm sure it is, but I mean... But talking about contradictions. That book contradicts the entire Bible.

So that's one of the reasons why it's... It's like a bad side for it. I got access. Why does it contradict the entire Bible? Well, talk about just know how big the giants were and all this other stuff and all this other mess. that it kind of goes through. It's, I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't compute like,

no, Goliath was about 10 feet tall. He wasn't 30 feet tall the way that, the way that the book of Enoch kind of describes him. So a giant, no, it was just a really big dude in a time, in a day in time where people were really short. So, I mean, it was just, it's, it's, it's, like, bad sci-fi, and you're not missing anything by not reading it. But Ezekiel was, I don't know, to me, it makes all,

the sense of the world. Like meaning how many times you've read the Bible? Not if I'm being honest. I mean I can quote so past you like that but I haven't read the entirety of the Bible. Scripture can never stand on its own but I'll go away because we have a lot of stuff to do. This would be a great at Rumble Premium episode though. Fair enough. Right enough. It's going to become a Bible study show and there's anything. Ted, it's your fault for you keep on ducking me about the flood and I realize that you're afraid. I realize you were scared.

I understand. I would be scared too. I mean, most cultures talk about a flood. Well, of course we know that most of the world. Something dry is. We know that much of the world, including the North America, was at the bottom of a dead ocean. Like all these cultures. Yeah, some giant Lioplurodon-type dinosaur was recently discovered, I think, in Texas or someplace.

Anyway, all right, P.W. Walker, thanks for the donation. People who answer to others who rape and eat babies are told to get apoplectic about a man sexting adult women. I hate this timeline. Yeah, let's talk about this, right? I mean, I find it interesting, not because of the nature of the story itself, but because of the timing of it, really, right? That's the story. Just so I'm clear. Grand Platner. So Graham Platner, running for, you know, he's this lobsterman who's up in Maine, very like hard scrabble veteran. You know how there's a certain model of working class Democrat that some Democrats are pushing, like, oh, the veteran, you know, we got to get the veteran. So we need more Butch Democrats. So he's a Butch Democrat running for Senate in Maine.

And anyway, so over the weekend, his former campaign manager who had quit, I guess, about a month ago, we don't know why. She told the press, I believe was the Wall Street Journal. It spread to the New York Times that Platterner had Plattner's wife had alerted the campaign about a month ago. Hey, by the way, you know, this might come up. you know, he was sexting multiple women. You know, there's no word on whether or not he had any physical relationship with any of them. His wife said this. But his wife alerted the campaign kind of like, you know, it's sort of like you're running for office and you want your, you know, you always have to tell your staff, listen, this might come up.

You know, I use this drug and that drug and I fucked this lady and that dog and blah, blah, blah. So the wife being helpful was like told the campaign manager back when they were with their friends, well, you should know this. This could come up. You know, we're all past it. We've had counseling. We get along where our marriage is good now. But this happened. And it, you know, FYI should be prepared for this possible bimbo eruption.

Right. So that, so anyway, that all came out over the weekend. Now Plattenor's spin on it is. that both he and his wife are annoyed at the violation of their privacy, that they're pissed off at the former campaign manager for leaking this. I'm sure they are. And it is a violation of their privacy. That's true.

And it raises all these questions like, is someone, is this relevant? Does it matter? I think of Anthony Wiener. The voters in New York City decided, and don't forget, he represented a district that included some pretty conservative people like ultra-Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn. But the first time he got caught sexting, the voters decided they didn't care

and returned him to office. And then he got caught a second time and it was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're out. And, you know, it's like there's all these, I mean, I guess the question is, does this matter? There's the question of should and will the voters of Maine care?

This was the subject. Democrats who were on the Sunday morning talkies yesterday, including what's his name from New Jersey, Corey Booker, you know, were asked about this. Like, is this a problem? Should he pull out? And Democrats are kind of like, well, it's a little late in the process to yank your candidate for this November.

I think they're kind of like in wait and see mode to see if this will blow over. Obviously, way back in 1992, Bill Clinton survived Jennifer Flowers and a couple others. So it's possible to survive. I mean, but I thought the thing is, in 2026, should we care? I mean, we're talking, the president of the United States,

we know about, you know, he paid off a porn star to shut up about, you know, fucking her in his marital bed, right? It's like, should it matter? I mean, I don't think it should matter, but will the voters, should, I mean, but objectively should it matter? I don't care who my politicians fuck as long as they're like not fucking me. Carlos Danger. That was Anthony Williams' nickname when he was. Carlos Danger. Carlos Danger. That's so badass. Callous Danger.

That's so badass. That's so badass. Maybe it's me being a guy. I don't care. Like, I don't know what women think. I don't care at all. Well, you know the argument against it, right? The argument is it reveals character. If someone can't be trusted to keep their oath, their marital oath, then, you know, can they be trusted to take, to keep their constitutional oath, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, I get the argument, but I care. I care more about what he does in office. And I get the argument. It's like, well, how do you trust the guy to wait? You can't trust him. in regards to the marriage. Well, human beings, and human beings are complicated, right? I mean, he's a complicated, he's a complicated man.

I mean, he, you know, by his own account, he suffered from PTSD. He did multiple tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, came back very fucked up. Obviously, you know, take one look at him. You know, he's no stranger to the bottle. Right. You know, I mean, and, and like, frankly, that's got to be okay. Because, I mean, that's a lot of Americans, right? I mean, so are we just going to say, like, oh, we write you off because you're imperfect?

Just on clear. You mean, the bottle is most Americans or the PTSD? The bottle. I don't want to vote in that alcoholic. That would be a deal breaker for you. An alcoholic, full stop will be a deal with him. Really? That would be where my grandfather was an alcoholic.

I don't trust him at all. Look, Richard Nixon. He needed a fine job. You think Richard Nixon did a fine job in office? I don't think of you're thinking too much. And it's not like Newt Gingrich, where they said New Gingrich kept divorcing for leaving or cheating on women with cancer because he loved the country so much. Do you remember that argument?

That New Gingrich loved the country too much. That's why he kept cheating on his wife. It's like, what? You're just a dog like a lot of politicians. Right. The alcohol thing would be a deal breaker. The cheating won't. I think men cheat.

Most men, I know, cheat. It's not, this is a good thing And maybe that, I don't know what that says about me, I've never cheated on my wife. But I guess my point is most men that I know. A lot of family. And most women cheat too, by the way. Yes.

Oh, let's just say most people cheat. So that can't be my deal breaker. Alcohol, oh, that can definitely be a deal breaker for me, even if it's just for me. Interesting. Yeah. Alcohol would probably not be a deal breaker for me. You mean alcohol more?

be more cheap neither no i don't care i mean really nah you give the guys dementia i would care yeah i mean that was like you're you're literally just your brain the thing about alcoholism is it can break your brain but and when it breaks your brain your brain then you got to be gone but it doesn't always break your brain lbj was an alcoholic i mean you know all those guys in the 50s drank like fish. You know, I mean, America ruled the world. You know, it's like... He got us into Vietnam. Come on, dude.

I got us into Vietnam, but all right, NJFK. Yeah, but I mean, you have something I'm saying. Like, he's one of the double down. He's like, oh, it sounds like a great idea. So you just go in on a full-on bender, start throwing darts at a map. Because we're going to bomb there. That's not going to throw darts

at the map, but I think your broader point, yeah. No, granted, no, some of your biggest heroes are mass murdering, scum-sucking bastards. So it doesn't surprise me that LBJ would be up there. But come on, man. That's, you got a little bit off. Not one of my favorites, but considered a great drink like a monster, like a beast.

I mean, and also, I'll go away after this. But maybe you asking someone to swear an oath to the Constitution, to uphold the Constitution. Well, simultaneously give him a pass who breaks every other oath that he makes. You break your oath to the most important person in your life, which is your spouse. you just do just you're a rabid dog and just do whatever is it but you expect this is texting promise that he'll keep well okay all right listen the resident moralist here let's get back on here um are you are you gonna tell he's like refusing to come back on um are you is sexting cheating no it's stupid it's not cheap yes it's cheating it's cheating it's

okay so for example let's asking is watching porn or pornography a sin. Is lusting after another woman? Is masturbation a sin? I know someone whose wife, you know, hates the fact that he masturbates, even though she won't have sex with him. Really?

No. I'm like he's just trying to prevent prostate cancer, man. So here's how you would do this. This would come down to the religious argument versus the legal argument, okay? Jesus said, if you looked after a woman and you lest after her, then you've committed adultery already. You need to, you need a total. Jimmy Carter, I committed lust in my heart.

But on the flip side, though, adultery is sleeping with another man's wife. Fornication is sleeping with someone that you're not married with. Those are a physical act. Like, I cannot, I'm married to Kizzy. If I look at another woman, I say, damn, no, she's hot. I mean, I've committed adultery in my heart, but I have not broken my vow too Kizzy because I'm a human, white-blooded, heterosexual, male. Okay. That's going to happen. If there's a, if there's a girl walking down the street and she's got a nice rack on her, I'm going to notice. It's like she has a nice rack. That does not mean

I'm going to take her home and cheat on my wife with her. You're asking me to accept someone who broke a vow to the most important person in that person's life. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Grant Platner, just to be clear, I mean, I have to assume he probably did go balls deep in at least one of these ladies. But let's just assume for the sake of argument that he kept his lobster. in its cage where it belongs. He, he, he, he, he, it's only, it's just like fucking around in the digital space. It's fantasy life. I mean, he doesn't even really know that there's necessarily a woman on the other line, right?

I mean, wait. So, it just like, cheating. Sorry. Just to clear. Say again. Tit, do you consider sex thing cheating? Oh. Not really.

No. I mean, I don't think, I, I, I, I think it's like, it's very, you know, it's very, you know, very, it's problematic and rude and something that, you know, I would talk to my wife about. But like, I mean, it would certainly, I would certainly not be like, oh, we're getting to Forrest and leaving you. Like, of course not. That's ridiculous. It's just like some people use chatbots. They'll talk to a chat bot and then they'll do that with a chatbot. Is that cheating?

Or how about fucking a sex bot? Would fucking a sex robot be cheating? Well, a sex robot doesn't have a soul. Anyway, it's not alive. Yeah. True. But a person is. Correct.

And so that's the whole issue that I have with what you're saying, Ted. Like you wouldn't have a problem with someone, you know, who is a rampant cheater and breaks their promises. Because you're, you're. I worked for Ted Kennedy's campaign. You're leaning on this person to keep an oath to the Constitution while you know this person breaks every other promise that he has. I know that he breaks one promise. Yeah, not every other run. I mean, he's not breaking every other promise.

I'm sure when he, I'm sure that like when he signs that long thing, you know, when you renew your iOS and you're like you agree to all the terms that Apple tells you. Yeah, I'm sure he he adheres to those or his promise to pay his phone bill every month or whatever. Well, those are different. Those are bills that has to pay it if he doesn't, then he loses the service. Like, for example, I'm married. both of y'all were married none of y'all ever cheated why not because you honored your vow

that's why I haven't cheated on my wife I honored my vow now if I'm going to run for public office and the only thing I'm going to give you is that I promise you I'm going to do these things but if you go through and you see that I've broken the promises I have that my word means nothing

but I see I see no but I don't see here's the thing I don't see any pattern here I haven't noticed that people who are Dick Nixon was very loyal to his wife. He worshipped the ground that she walked and he adored her, never cheated. You know, what good does it do America? Nothing.

He was a shithel and fucked up the country big time. I mean, who cares? It's like there's lots of politicians who don't fuck around. And, you know, but they fuck around on us on we the people. Yeah. You're making my point. It's about judgment, but character also has to matter. I mean, well, the question is how do you assess character?

Right. One of the things that was it John Adams who said that the constitutional only work for a righteous and moral people? Because those are the only kind of people who can self-govern. If you have a bunch of people who the law is literally the raw of the jungle, you cannot have a liberal small ill government system because at that point you need to have a police state or you have chaos in the streets. I know, but that's what we have anyway. I understand that. because our national character sucks.

No, no, I get that, but I don't know if that's directly related to the fact that the person cheated on their way. Well, there's got people. I feel like these are separate concerns. Besides, which, the thing is, what you don't, I mean, nobody knows, like, why people cheat. I mean, you know, the sort of, the thought is people cheat because they can. People cheat because they're horny. But there's a lot more to it than that, right?

I mean, sometimes there's, you know, people are, there's abuse going on, they're sexual withholding, their sexual dysfunction. You know, some people just have, like I imagine that a guy like Graham Platner with PTSD probably has a whole big, empty hole in his heart that he's trying to feel maybe with pussy. You know, I mean, it's just like, I mean, what I look, I mean, if I were going to judge someone who's running for a Senate, I'd be like, well, did you run for political office previously and in those and in in when you served there how did you perform that's literally the

most important thing i don't care if the chef at my local diner is uh you know cheats on his wife as long as he washes his hands afterwards before he cooks my meal i just want the food to be good he's not passing the laws that you live under that's the difference it all comes down to scale so for example let's just say that y'all lived here in flahead county and montana and i was going to run for county commission or run for the first congressional seat here to replace Ryan Zinke. First of all, would you all vote for me? And second of all, I would vote for you. And I'll tell you why.

I'd vote for you because you have a lot of things that I really look for. You have values that are mostly good values and that you live by. And also, you're a man of honor. You don't have to have everything written down. you do you say what you you mean what you say you say what you mean so yeah I would vote for you I'm not sure I'd vote for you for president but I'd vote for you for you know a lot of offices and the reason I might not vote for you for president is because you know I think you're too mean to immigrants um I'm not mean to them to go home that's not mean that's not mean

they want them to go home and make their countries better that's a good thing depends on the country yeah I mean if you were willing to say I lock the doors now and kick out the criminals and everyone else can stay but no one else new comes. I'd be like, we're in. You got my vote. Well, the problem is that's been the policy for since Reagan. I look where we are.

Yeah, but you're a man of honor. You don't cheat on your wife. You could keep that promise. But I'm not a king. I'd be president for four years or less unless I got assassinated. So, I mean, no, there's that. Well, that's true about any, any promise you would make then like, well, it's like, that's neither you're here nor there, right?

Like your term's going to come to an end. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, I guess that's the point that I'm trying to make, though. I mean, you said it was a man of honor. If I was cheating on Kizzy, could you say I was a man of honor? Did that my word meant anything? It would affect my, it would affect my view of you. Why about you, J.T?

Would I vote for you? It depends on what you were advocating for. Small government closed borders, pulling out of NATO, pulling out of NATO, shutting out of all the foreign military bases. truly going America first. The 150,000 soldiers there are in Germany.

I put every day on one of them on the Mexican and Canadian borders and I would make Fortress America. I would fix every bridge. I would make infrastructure, the number one priority, and I would have mass deportations done humanely and according to the Constitution.

All right, we should get into deportations, but yeah, go ahead. Yeah, you'd have it. I mean, you'd have more possibilities than that. All right. Quick question here from Eric Spate, thanks for the $2. What's this about merging the U.S. and Israeli militaries?

I have not heard this. Okay, so Congress is quietly pushing an amendment or, I should say, a bill to basically, I'm going to use the term fuse the Israeli and the U.S. military in regards to science, technology, operations, et cetera. And not command and control. I don't know. That's unclear. That's unclear. I mean, the reality of it is, some people are questioning whether or not

if there was a draft that Americans will have to serve for the IDF. What? It depends on high stream the legislation ends up being, but they are quietly pushing the fuse science, technology, et cetera, et cetera, with the Israeli military. The Congress member, in fact, I could put it up because I got it saved on my cuckoo for cocoa puffs. This can't be going anywhere, right?

I mean, Israel is less popular than STIs. I mean, that's what people are freaking out about this, because they're like, how to hell are you doing this now when Israel is, as you point out, it's popular as headlice. But let's see, the representative, I can find this

if you give me a moment. But yeah, that is one of the things that has effectively popped up that one of the Congress members or two of the Congress members are trying to fuse the U.S. That's crazy. Even the thought, I mean, look, I can't imagine this is going anywhere, but even the fact that it's even being discussed as a possibility shows how incredibly wildly out of touch these people are.

It is. So Mike Rogers from Alabama, Adam Smith from Washington have introduced the United States, States Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for 2027. The initiative would expand U.S.-Israeli military cooperation with joint research, testing, manufacturing, and sharing of technology, as well as promoting joint military training, information sharing, network, integration, and data fusion. Basically, the U.S. military and IDF are going to get much more.

much closer together if this passes. Right. So it's not a merger per se, but it's like a merger in a sense of confusing, but obviously it's a really big cooperation agreement. Yes. Which we already, look, let's face it, we already do cooperate a lot. Yeah, but it's in the law. And by the way, part of the reason that they're saying, well, we don't need to really give them the $20 billion a year or the $15 billion, whatever we give them, it's because

of this basically saying we don't need to give it to them because we can now create this integration in the more direct sense. I don't think the United States should have anything to do with Israel. No. At all. I mean, I'm not even sure we should have diplomatic relations at this point, although generically, I feel like we should have diplomatic relations with every country, just because it's important to talk.

But I don't know beyond that. We shouldn't have cozy relations, that's for sure. Okay, let's, if you're okay with it. Let's talk about, okay, well, okay, let's do some more comments here because we do have some good ones that need to be talked about. If you so, is getting blown by Laura Lumer a deal breaker? Yes. Yes.

Does that refer to anyone specifically? No. Anyone who would put their penis in Laura Lumer's mouth is insane by definition. I would worry about it being bitten off. Yes, she's nuts. I mean, she's definitely Virginia Dantata. Yeah. There's a line by

Cannabis. He's a rapist. He says Cannabis would, what do you say? No, no, no, no. I'm thinking of Risa. Where he was talking about Grace Jones. He says, Bobby a fuck Grace Jones. And the reason he said that was because, you know, at the time, Grace Jones was like Amazon.

Like she was wild. And he was trying to show how badass he was for him. Jones. I'm saying the same thing with Lumer. Lumer is nuts. Oh, nuts. I mean, yeah. Here's the thing. Like, I'll give her credit. If she's not nuts, it's like Anne Coulter, where she's putting on this insane show. And that's just, in a way, that's worse. Like, you know, like, well, that's like the Rush Limbaugh grift, right? I mean, Rush Limbaugh voted Democratic. I mean, it was all a fucking act. And that's disgusting.

Alex Jones. Same thing, right? Like, initially, I thought it was, I thought he was, I thought he was serious. After a while, I was like, he has to be doing an act. And what made me thought, I was like, it's a really good act. Like, he's so good at it. Or do you, let me actually, do you think Alex Jones is an act? I mean, you think he's serious. I have to think he's an act. Yeah. I think he's a act. I don't, I think it's, I think it's just literally like he's a carnival barker. It's just for fun. It's just for the, just for the Benjamin's. I think it's, you know, has real world consequences, so therefore it's horrible. Um, gay fish or the gay fron. and all that shit. I remember he came on one day when Trump bombed Syria for the first time.

And Alex Jones, I sat there and watch it by like 30 minute. That's how good he was. And I was like, this is so good. And it made me realize why people watch Alex Jones. It's like the 5, 10% of the shit that he says that's true. And then the other shit. But when he's hitting on something, he's hitting on it. And like, when he's doing it, he's doing it. And I was sitting there like, A, he's right about the Syria thing. B, it is impressive that he can carry on this. He doesn't run the fly. Like when Alex, he's riffing.

Like he's not, I don't think he's like writing stuff down and then coming out and giving it a speech. I think he is on the fly. Oh, yeah. It's impressive. Well, I mean, come on. You and I can do the same thing. I mean, you know, but all right, here we go. God damn.

John V. Cockafeller, thanks for the buck. I could never cheat on my wife because she handles all the social stuff and she'd have to set it up for me. See, you know, what I used to do is I used to always introduce. I would be like, yeah, my wife is this, my wife is that, which runs into problems now because I still talk like my ex-wife or my ex-girlfriend. And recently, this woman that ended up being someone insane, she was like, you bring up your ex a lot.

Yeah. So I guess I'm in the friend zone. It's like, well, actually, I didn't regard you one way to the other. I don't like being, I don't like being put on the spot where I need to answer a question one way to other sometimes. And this is one of those times. It's also, it's very weird when people are like, sort of like jealous of your ex. It's like, listen, your ex is the one person in the entire planet you least need to be jealous of because it's like you divorced that person. Right. I mean, you're very, you know, unless you're, you're, you know, unless you're. you know, Liz Taylor and Richard Burton, you're probably not getting back together, right? So, like, yeah, it's weird. I mean, like, there's, I know all these examples. Usually guys who, like, you know, marry a woman and they're like, you know, they won't allow them to have a photo of their, like, along with the family, like no family photos of the ex-husband around.

I'm like, that's fucked up. Yeah, I mean, that's part of the person's history. It's part of my life. It was part of my life for 10 years. Yeah. Why should you expunge her? You shouldn't. It would be weird. All right. So we have 11 minutes left. We've got to talk about ice.

So I'm a little less interested, even though it's horrific, because we already know. I'm kind of, look, Godspeed to the detainees who have filed this class action, well, hopefully class action lawsuit against the ICE facility down there in Texas. Here's a quote from the lawsuit. detained people are regularly subjected to severe beatings or sexual harassment by guards, squalid living conditions, spoiled and inadequate food. Yeah, I heard that two pieces of bread is the standard menu for the day. Like, you know, what is this, Le Miserables? Or squalid living conditions, sorry, no meaningful programming or recreation.

And let's not, let's bear in mind, these are not criminals. These are people who are illegal, allegedly, not convicted, allegedly illegal immigrants. No inadequate access to basic hygiene products such as soap, razors, or nail clippers, outbreaks of disease, and limited or no access to sunlight. I read about a guy who got penis cancer. I guess penis will be the theme of today's show. And his dick literally fell off because at that place in Texas, they did not. Yeah, his dick rotted off because even though he kept complaining, and he fucking died of dick cancer

because they never, he never got any medical care. I mean, most jails, right? Like most prisons, like if you're, I always tell people that they don't know that, right? Like if let's say you have asthma, I do. They won't let you, you can't bring your inhaler with you to jail if you're arrested like in a, you know, they're like, fuck you. If you need SSRIs, you can't bring those, you know, whatever, that you. don't get any medical care. John Kyriaku talked about when he had a cavity.

The dentist said, listen, the only thing we do here in prison is we pull teeth. So, you know, try to suck it up, buttercup until you get out. Otherwise, I can pull your tooth. I mean, that's our system. It's horrific. So this stuff doesn't really surprise me, but I'm really interested in your thoughts, J.T. in what's going on in Newark. So over the weekend, basically there's been hot, there's been run.

running street battles outside the Delaney detention facility in Newark, putting the mayor of Newark, Ross Baraka, who's a progressive, into a very tough spot. Baraka has declared a curfew, 24-hour curfew around the facility. There's pro-ice, anti-ice doing battles with New Jersey state troopers as well as local Newark PD and ICE is no longer, you know, policing the facility outside. But this is almost like, okay, I'm just going to say it. I am so proud of the anti-ice protesters who are making things spicy over there. They are, I mean, treating it the way it should be treated like the Bastille.

The place should be stormed. All these places should be. The gates should be stormed. The gates should be knocked down. These people should be liberated. I mean, because of the conditions. I mean, it's not the fact that, you know, these are. I don't disagree with the idea that law should be enforced.

But this is its own lawlessness committed by the state, the way that it's being done. You can't just arrest people and then rape them, starve them, deprive them of medical care. If you do that, then those people have a right to walk. I think I take issue, well, obviously, with the conditions. The conditions that end of self are horrific. So put a pin in that one for the moment. I think I take more issue with the way ICE has been in the license to behave across the country. It's acting like its own Gestapo force.

I mean, this is not just going after people who are, you know, criminals, quote unquote. Some of these people were Americans. When they were raiding the building, that apartment building, they were going after Americans also. And many times... little tope, they might not be real Americans. That's like the racist shit that I was seeing online. Over the weekend, there was soccer hooliganism in Paris, right? And when I first read it, I didn't know what was going on.

I didn't know it had to do with soccer. And there were all this right wing images. And, you know, they're like, look, you know, France is being invaded by foreigners. Look, they don't even like Ben Johnson. Like, they don't even look like French. I'm like, French people can be black, yo. Yes. You know, it's like many of them are.

I know because when I go to the consulate to get my passport renewed, you know, I sit next to them. It's just, you know, so foul. But I mean, yeah, sorry, go ahead. You were saying. No, no, no. You're absolutely right. Many people would say, well, that guy doesn't look American. Okay, what the hell does that even me?

Right. Like, they were going after people. Many of those people were Americans. They were getting caught up in regards to it. I take issue with this Gestapo shit that Donald Trump is effectively pulling. No, he can't necessarily put the U.S. military on home soil, ideally. But, of course, there are all sorts of other agencies that you can effectively use in lieu of the military, ICE being one of them. And, you know, there's this thing like, if ICE is grabbing me and I tell a cop, I'm an American, the cop is not going to do shit about the fact and protect my rights.

my ass is going into a detention center by hook by crocobos. Assuming that it's really ice. I mean, look, I mean, look, we're kind of taking it on faith that these goons in masks who don't have any ID or even badges or anything are, look, there's been documented cases a bunch of them of people pretending to be ICE, kidnapping women and raping them. So it's like, it's like I'm ICE come with me. I mean, you can't have, you can't, I mean, talk, we talked earlier in the show about lawlessness in, you know, in Latin America. I mean, talk about lawless.

I mean, if you can be walking down the street and random guys in balaclavas come out of a unmarked car and drag you in and take you away, God knows where to do God knows what, you don't have law and order in your society. I mean, these are paramilitaries are not a sign of a modern first world. country. True. It's outrageous. Like, I mean, Obama didn't do this. And Obama would deport like three million people. And I would wager to you that the end of Trump's term, Obama would have still deported more people. Agreed. I could be wrong, but we'll see. But I suspect Obama still would have deported more people without the social people. I guess the difference is that Obama deported them more from the border, right? Like he turned them away at the border and then kept them in kids in cages and then threw them out as opposed to, you know, Trump's a

approach, you know, trolling the streets and, you know, dragging them off like they're, you know, Ukrainian military looking for draftees. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I think these people are doing God's work. And mainly because I think it's important for people like us to sort of support them because I

think it's like really like they're, you know, on the left among liberals, violence is always verbatim. Any kind of, you know, like, well, you know, we should write a very important. very strongly worded letter. You know. I'm not one of those people. Dudes on stilts. That's cool.

People throw costumes. Yeah. I'll draw like a cartoon with a lot of crosshatching. That'll make a big difference. You know, yeah. I mean, honestly, you got to have events like this to bring it home. I mean, you know, I mean, we are, we have a, I wouldn't say out of control. I would say we have an unleashed paramilial.

organization financed by the U.S. taxpayer and they're dangerous and scary and honestly the biggest threat to American democracy today because they can easily be deployed against you know, not non-immigrants. Yes. And in some respects there. Yeah. Yeah. Terrifying. That should not be part of a modern country. All right. Let's do some comments. Horses are people. illegal immigration is a crime so yes they're criminals you're not a criminal until until you're convicted though true and i believe under our law illegal immigration is an administrative offense right it's not a i don't think it's a criminal i don't think it's a criminal offense it's a misdemeanor

is that what it is yeah it's a misdemeanor all right because we're not a serious country Mexico illegal immigration is a felony. Think about that. Here in the United States, you come across the border, you're going to depress wages, you're going to screw over the American people. Come on in, we need you because you're stupid, sorry, Americas are too lazy to work. That's a complete joke.

Support them all. People with decent wage. They'll take the jobs. Yeah. Well, so just a reminder, some housekeeping. TMI show coming up in about a minute. Manila Chan is finally back from maternity leave. So stay tuned for that.

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