DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Does Israel Own Trump or Does Trump Own Israel?

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

Robby West and Jamarl Thomas host a Q&A-style “DeProgram” episode without Ted Rall. They discuss technical issues with Rumble, Trump’s alleged ownership by Israeli interests due to paid legal bills and lawfare, comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s email scandal, America First immigration policies favoring mass deportations, government data manipulation, institutional collapse risks, interfaith cultural differences in Islam and Christianity, and Nick Fuentes as a hypocritical figure. Audience questions cover marriage, Roman mythology of Pluto, and public pain thresholds for political pushback.

Greetings and salutations, humans, carbon-based life forms, amazing people. Welcome to the program. I am Robbie, the producer here on the show. Ted is traveling for his birthday, and so far, J.T. has not made an appearance, so I do not know how this is going to work, boys and girls. It may just be me for a bit. J.T. might pop in. I honestly do not know. We're just going to figure it out. But in the meantime, though, I am here. And so any questions you all have for me?

Please feel free to drop them in the chat. Just a reminder for people who are new, Deep Program is a daily show that streams on Rumble, YouTube, and Twitch. We start at 9 a.m. Eastern Time. How to do the math, because I'm in Mountain Time. I'm here in Montana. Monday through Friday, we stream for an hour. and then we do a special Q&A show, typically with two guests, not two guests, typically with two hosts,

and sometimes with me, Ted Roll and Jamarlem, Thomas, and in which case, we will pop in and we will answer your questions. Let me go ahead and turn on the taking call feature. Just a reminder, this only works on a web browser. So the link that I'm about to drop, what you can do is just click on this. on a browser and then you can call in. I'm going to copy this link. There's JT. Pop them on up. Yeah. I had to do that ran late that

the Jersey got there a bit late, but all things be difficult for the words. It's all good. Listen, if there's going to be a day for problems, I mean, this is it because after the D program show this morning, we had technical problems with TMI. Rumble Studio just was not streaming.

With me of a middle on the back end, we could see everything. Here, everything sounds just fine. But for the audience. Nobody can see or hear. And so we thought they could at least hear us. They could even hear us. So it was just a colossal screw up,

but just all the way already. So this is the day for it. I mean, I guess the question is, do you still continue to use Rumble Studio if Rumble isn't paying? Well, I mean,

that's the million dollar question. I mean, it is free and you have to pay for stream yards. So there's that. Yeah, I mean, Rumble Studio, it's something that we would keep on using. But as far as what is going to be more viable, Rumble versus YouTube, well, potentially, I know that definitely from my gaming channel it could be. We're just to have to wait and see how the math maths next month. We'll just kind of just see from there. I'm curious.

Have you talked to anybody in the Rumble? I don't know, administration, the Rumble gods of sorts. I have sent emails to a couple of people that I know, and they said that we appreciate you reaching out. We value you as a content creator, and we will pass your concerns up to the higher ups. So just jerking you off. Oh yeah.

Yeah, no, for sure. It's just, um, just more. the same but so hey that's no that that is what it is but the good news is though we actually do have some questions that are coming in now so this is good and just a reminder y'all ted is traveling for his birthday and so where's he going oh i don't know yeah i have no idea but i mean this morning he was in some kind of a hotel looked like they probably just had a water hose as opposed to even a shower so who they all knows oh robbie you joke i've been in those hotels look look I have When I jumped into India, and like the first place, it was like a spigot for, like, okay, there's some countries that you go to that would have like the toilet and then they would have a shower as a spigot over the top of the toilet.

Yeah. And you think they're like, oh, this is going to suck. This is going to suck. Usually I do my damn just to try to make sure I at least have a hat shop. That is my pet peeve. I need to have a hat shower. Yeah. I get it because I used to, you know, back home, you know, people think that all of Florida is always hot.

It is not always hot, especially north Florida. It gets freaking cold. And there are times you have to go shower. I use the word showering very loosely. You go into a lake or a river or something and just try and wash it's like 30 degrees and the humidity is like 100%. And it will just know your man bits. will just retreat. I mean, it's just like we are done.

We're out. We're safe. We're running. And that's, man, that's a screwed up part of biology. Because it feels like like they're retreating. They're leaving you to your devices. They were like, fuck it, we're out. It's like, oh, you're going to leave me here to deal with this. Yeah, exactly. Just enjoy. Enjoy.

Yeah. But let's see here. So. Be a man. Be a man. Hey, I mean, listen, they're going to do what you're going to do. And just reminder, y'all, y'all are able to call in. We are able to take calls if y'all choose to do so. If not, we will just go through and we will just read the questions as they come in. And let's kind of go from there. Tariq, I see you.

And here is your shout out. I see you. He's just like, Robbie, shut me out. I'm shouting you out. I see you. And let's go ahead and get started here with some of the questions. Let me see here for Frasmataz. Question for Robbie.

Did you see how Ray Cohn was the inspiration for the Manchurian candidate's handler? Does that make Trump the OG candidate? I've never seen the Manchurian candidate. I know one is, but I'd be honest with you. I think that Trump is just, I think that Trump and JTA be really invested here, but you've got to think about this. I think the reason why Trump is now, completely owned subsidiary to Israel is because the Israelis paid his legal bills.

They own him. Interesting. And because the lawfare against him was so intense that without. Why are you still beholden to this? Like Donald Trump has gone back on pretty much every deal that he's signed with every other country. And even as a developer, I mean, if you notice, Donald Trump was bankrupt like six times, meaning he often. he often didn't pay bills, which means it's basically going back on a contract. He doesn't care.

So why does he care so much about this unless they have something on him? I think he cares more about his kids because he's a part of a machine now. And if he doesn't play ball, they can go after the Trump organization, they can go after his family. And so I think that's probably what it is. And also I think they probably has PTSD from all that crap. I think it's screwed with his head. He's not the same man now that he was in 2016. But do we know that?

Well, we don't know anything. Well, the reason why I asked that is in 2016, if you remember, the Democrats were on a full court press with the whole Russia gate stuff. They had him in a box. Like, he couldn't do anything. Like the things that he tried to do, he couldn't do. Even when he reached out in Ukraine, they used it for impeachment material. Right? Like, he couldn't do anything.

Even the people that were around him. That was one guy who had some affiliation with Russia who he pointed out. He was like, they wouldn't even let me close to Trump. They were terrified. They thought that the Democrats were coming to get him. And they were, but they just didn't have the good to do it. Trump was under siege for the good first two years of that administration. Now, what would he have been if that didn't happen, which is what we're seeing now?

I agree with you, that might have fucked them up. I mean, nearly being shot, assuming that Trump didn't set it up, but nearly being shot, would mess with your head on some level. It would mess with mine. Oh, yeah. I mean, for sure. I mean, you have to go in to face your mortality. And I think that's probably where faith has a probably as makes death less scary. But wait, wait, wait, wait, real quick. But it's not, I don't think it's the face and the mortality thing. I think it's the rage that somebody tried to take your head off.

No. Well, he's got to know that people hate him. I mean, Trump knows people hating. I mean, the fact that the FBI was spying on him. And he made that a, a talking point in the election against Hillary Clinton, in which case, he then probably gets in bed with the very intel agency that was spying on him to begin with, is that's not a rational act. I mean, if that had been someone who's just not owned, you would have blown that thing all the way up. Because why, yes.

Oh, for sure. Because no, Trump is a puppet for sure. But the office that he has, though, has powers that he's able to utilize. And I think that Chuck Schumer, I think he said the quiet part out loud. So if you go against the intel establishment that they can screw it like that way he's on until Sunday. And so that's obviously true. And he said the quiet part out loud. So if you are, if you're not able to regulate this agency because of how much power they have over the regulators, then who runs the country?

It's not the elected official by definition. But Donald Trump did go after the CIA when he first got in the office. Kind of, if I'm not mistaken. I mean, John might be better at explaining this part. I don't know if you guys had talked about it, of him getting rid of certain agents and everything else that put his own cronies in. Maybe I'm getting this wrong. So take this with a grain of salt. Don't take me as, you know, hard-core on this part.

But I don't know if Trump is different. That's, I guess, the main point, because we didn't really look at it to see Trump in the first term. like unencumbered Trump. Yeah, it's all defense. Trump. Yeah, that's just the thing. It's just. And you're like nearly big shot might have had an effect and all of the lawfare and everything else.

It would look, it would make me meaner and angrier to go through. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. And I may be looking for political prisoners after that, meaning I may be looking to take hits after that. Whether it was the FBI, the CIA, the people who were. were in the opposition that was going after me. I mean, I don't think Democrats realize how much they fucked up. Like, you can't, they're guardrails for a reason.

Sure. And part of the reason they're guardrails is because what you don't want is to get into this political fight where both political parties are trying to eat each other. And they don't necessarily care about the rules, the norms, and those type of things as they try to do so. They tried to get him for a hush money payment to a porn star and tried to turn it into a felony. what they did turn into felony and tried to put them in a cage for it.

And what people often forget is Hillary Clinton was basically did the same thing. It wasn't what a porn star, but basically changing information saying this was a lawyer's fee, as opposed to explicitly stating what it was. And they hit her in her knuckles for it and she went on a better way. Well, that's what Trump did, lawyers fee for paying off a prostitute or paying off a hooker. And I mean, I'm sorry, a porn star, those are different things. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, those are different things. good um but it's the same thing but with hillary with her emails but with Hillary with her emails

but with Hillary with her emails i would submit that's worse because the whole reason why you would have a private server is because then the the freedom of the sunshine laws the freedom information acts don't apply because it's not on a government server right so agree so was it that you're oh yeah i mean so of the two that's different but that just goes to show the difference the democrats are willing to put someone on across that they review they see as a threat was Republicans are kind of like President Putin, just like, uh, maybe I don't want to make this. Maybe I don't want to make waves. Maybe I need to just be kinder and gentler. Are you serious? Maybe I can't push to a, for sure. Oh, for sure. They hounded the hell out of Bill Clinton.

They hounded Bill Clinton even to the point where he had to admit, I mean, the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal and everything else came out of whitewater that Republicans were going after Bill Clinton for. Sure. No, listen, I get that. But I'm talking about. I'm talking about in just regards of Hillary Clinton because Trump is like, you know, I want to put her in jail for all this stuff because she really did commit a felony. She actually did. And that was a national security breach of the highest order. That's a statement of fact.

You mean the FIFA, I mean the, um, the, yeah, her email servers and stuff. The email server. Yeah. I mean, Trump's, no, Trump's slipping a snake into a porn star while his wife is a home pregnant with the son. Well, yeah, I mean, that's disgusting. people I knew that Trump is a man who are anyway and he's a serial adulterer and there's no national security implication for that. And that's not legal. Yeah. And what Hillary Clinton did

was completely illegal. But she gets a pass. The email server was, well, I don't think she had a pass. I mean, they were in her ass about it. But no, they didn't put her in jail and they didn't try to actually put her in jail. Yeah, what price did she pay? None at all. Like I said, they were in her ass about it. Meaning, I don't think having a huge amount of public attention and a huge public backlash is nothing. It's something. It's just not jail. Well, it's something, but it's not law fair. She wasn't bankrupted.

She didn't have to get on her knees and call the bankers and ask him to save her. I mean, that's the difference between. Which is my point about the Trump thing, which is why I said Democrats went way overboard. And they created a monster. I mean, like, the idea that you're, the humiliation of having a standing court and listen to a porn star, talk about sexual behavior that you engaged in with her. It's outrageous. And the idea that you're trying to say, okay, now this is a felony. We're using this as a felony to go after him. Okay, you're, you've crossed the line. As much as I hated Trump and thought he should have been

in a cage for the trying to overthrow the government thing. Even I defended him on it. It was like, it is outrageous that you guys are doing this, that you're trying to make this up. And there will be consequences for it. Well, we have consequences. Here's Trump. And him just saying fuck all the law. Fuck all the stuff. I'm breaking all norms. If I need to go after people, if I need to not give money to Democratic locations when they're in the middle

of drought, famine, or whatever else they're going through, then so be it. Meaning, maybe he would have been this way anyway. We don't know that. But we definitely know that the process that Democrats did made him a much angry. rear, meaner animal. That's my argument. Well, maybe, but if he is, though, I mean, he's taking that rage and anger out in the wrong place because he's not going after the people who went after him.

No, instead, what he's doing is that he's, he's starting wars as they be starting for his benefactors that paid his legal bills, which he's lost, by the way. He is lashing out at his former supporters. He's like, hey, you ran for America first. You just put a knife in us. you're actively betraying the country while enriching yourself and the lobbies that you ran against. You're putting more water in the swamp. You're not draining anything. So Trump is going after the people who are holding him accountable after the people who try to destroy his life. Yes. Yeah. So I mean, I think that's- I never believe the Make America great thing. I always thought that was

nonsense. It's just hope and change for the Republican audience. Yeah. That's what I always say. Well, the difference is, and then I said this note, there's a, no, back of 2016 like that I volunteered for Trump I've campaign form donated to him I had the red maga hat I mean I was a Trump guy and the reason is is because he was he was a complete unknown who had charisma who was able to self-fund itself to the primaries who dismantled the GOP primary machine yeah he wrecked it and it's just like if I if we elect Hillary Clinton we know what we get we have we have one chance for someone to potentially be different.

And he could have been. Yeah, very much so. There were no changes on him at that point. He literally could have came on and said, hey, I think we should have Medicare for all. I want to give rid of Obamacare. I want to kill immigration. I want to deport all the immigrants.

Meaning he could have literally picked from both and fractured the political consensus on both political parties. He could have did it. there were no chains on him. Like, meaning, he could have did some lefty stuff. He could have done some right wing stuff. And what would they have said? The Republicans weren't going to go after him.

Really, not with Trump's gravitizing power they do is holding on in the political space. And you pull lefties who were very angry at the Democratic Party for what they did for Hillary Clinton. Yeah. If I was him, that's what I would have done. But I don't know what's, I don't know what chains are on him in an office. That's the catch. Yeah. Well, now, I mean, he's just completely.

But back then, back then I was talking to a guy. I was like, he's actually the reason why I came up with the name Putin bot from my gaming channels. Are you are you, you are a Putin bot. You're a Russian bot. What of Trump's policies is it that you like? And it was for me, it was a very simple question. He's promising to bring gasoline and a match. That's the policy.

Burn it down. It's like I said before. People voted for Trump for that reason. Yeah, for sure. And because it's kind of what we're talking about before, right? It's just like, no, you don't negotiate with the cancer. You don't ask it. No, hey, no, please stay in this body part.

So as you stay here in my left breast, you can be fine. We can just kind of let this thing live out. Just don't mishastasized. Don't spread to my lymph nodes or anything. Just stay where you are or my prostate or wherever it is it's going to be, right? But cancer doesn't work that way. It always spreads until it kills the host. Right.

That's how, that's the American political establishment. establishment. And so I voted for the radical chemotherapy that turned out to be a placebo. And it sucks. No, it wasn't a placebo. It was just an accelerant to more cancer. He would be like, I'm taking this because I'm going to try to, you know, take down the cancer and the cancer speeds up. It's that it's an accelerant. Now, in one sense, you can look at it in two ways. Carl, when he's on the show, he was always, he would say, Trump is my president. He's like, I love him. Now, Carl is in Indonesia, so take it with a grain salt. He's saying that because he's making a point of saying everything that Trump does backfires.

So Trump goes into Iran and he's supposedly attacking. Okay, it fails. And then the Americans are effectively paying a tax on everything that effectively takes place from a standpoint of gas, agriculture, even hell, cereal, like anything that you can think of, cows, beef, baby formula. J.T. Those Argentinas need us. Don't you know those Argentinans are dying? They need us. They need us to take one for them. I don't give a shit about Argentina or any other country in this country. Like, look, I am an American first. And the real sense of the term. The idea that our farmers are taking it in the ass because Trump has a hard on for Malay is outrageous. Honestly, that by itself should have been disqualifying. That clip. alone should have been disqualifying and every person that was an honest mega supporter should have been in the streets i i cannot i cannot agree with you more and just a couple of seconds here we got a this is harder to do with uh with two people so this one moment and i'll drop some more chats as we

do that people actually have questions for us so it's actually we're bitch hey listen uh to you You already know what I'm going through. So I have no problem at all with bitching today. This is actually, this is kind of like a therapy. Yeah, this is therapy. Wait for me to have blood some steam. Just enjoy life. Yeah.

So bitch away. This is the day. Houston Jones, 6059. Robbie, do you have any opinions on immigration who may, no, none at all? Open the borders, let them all in. Just. What kind of question is that? I don't know.

I don't know. I had a question is that. Just let let, yeah, oh, for sure. Yeah, no, seriously, my position on immigration, close the borders, mass deportations. Matter of fact, I'd be perfectly happy with no immigration at all, legal or illegal for like 70 years, just to assimilate the immigrants that are already here, kind of coalesce the culture, rebuild what it means to be American. Is that going to happen? Absolutely not. Never. Neither political party will ever do it. But I don't know how the country survives with. without at least some form of identity. And you can't get that through mass immigration. And immigration also depresses wages.

So that's my position. Is it too rough? Does it go too far? I don't know, but I know what we have right now. Does not go anywhere near far enough? And we see that every day in our politics. We see it in our economy. We see it in the housing market.

We see it in real tangible terms. And if you point that out, where being America first means actually taking care the people who live in America makes you a white supremacist, racist, Nazi, whatever else. But it doesn't actually address the actual issue, which is what I just brought up. Right. So I wish these were data-driven answers. But that government doesn't do data-driven like that.

No, they lie. They lie too much. I mean, they can't even give us numbers on what the real inflation rate is. Yeah, that's what I mean. They would say something like, well, the inflation rate is 4.2. And it's like, and they would say, but, or they would have a little asterisk, doesn't include the things that you actually use. Right. It's like, the inflation on yachts are very, you know, it's not that it's very moderate right now.

Okay, I'm not, I don't have a yacht, right? Oil, food. How much is? That's what I need to know. And then they do. Housing. Through the roof, right? But they don't tell you that part.

That part is not included. And they would say, well, that's because it fluctuates. No shit. But that's the important part. What am I paying when I go to the grocery store? What am I paying when I go get gas? What am I paying? It's not me paying, but what was random person who, for whatever particular reason,

decided to have a kid pay when they get baby for me. Those are the things that matter. Those are the things that are not included. Yeah, they lie. And the reason why I say, I wish it was data-driven. It seems like it's a math number to say, okay, how many immigrants do we have in the other country? How much does it depress wages? And if so, how much?

what sectors, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, like those seem to be data-driven equations. Because at that point, you don't need to say, you can say, well, we don't really need any more immigration. Or you could say, well, we need to cut it down for 10 years in order to allow so-and-so to take place because these numbers indicate so-and-so. And then the opposition would say,

those numbers are ballooned, those numbers are made up. So there's never a way to actually get real data. I give you an example. The Iraq War, when Obama gets in the office, there's all of this dittling about about what is Obama going to do because Bush screwed the pooch in regards to the war. And Obama's solution was,

surge. We're going to surge. That's what we're going to do. They even made it all, you know, like in magazines, the surge. They wanted to make it sexy. People were getting killed. But then after the fact, in the lesson learned document, you realize Obama was gaming the numbers. It even points out in the document, it was impossible to get an actual real military assessment of what was happening on the ground because the White House had manipulated the numbers so much in order to make it look much better

than what it actually was. What's his name? Podesta. It's not Podesta. Oh, what is his name? He was, he's not the governor of New Mexico. What is his name? Leon Panetta. I think it was Leon Panetta. Leon Panetta nearly gets killed in a bombing, walks out, gives an interview, saying everything is great. Like this is our White House, both administrations. And I'm using Obama because I want to make the point of something like real numbers being screwed up. So it's such a degree that you can't even really tell what's going on with the president basically saying things are going well. And people who are nearly killed by suicide bombers or by a bomb saying everything is great.

That's how well. It's Baghdad Bob on steroids. Is there just one guy? It's the entire administration. It doesn't matter if it's Democrat or Republican. They all lie to us. It's just like that's precisely the point that I'm trying to make. Like, and I guess I'm trying to make your point, even if they did a study on immigration.

Yeah. It's no fucking way to know the reality of it because they have political priorities in doing it. Of course. And the opposition is going to call bogus on whatever numbers they come up with even if the numbers were true. Listen, we could get a, the government could, could submit a report today that said that the sky outside in Calispell, Montana is currently blue. I would not believe them. I wouldn't believe it.

Because they have lied so much. And that's the problem whenever you have a representative style of government like what we have. All you have to hold you together is faith in the institution. If nothing else, that's the, that's the, that's the glue. Well, we no longer are going to have that. And on the flip side of it, you have a depressed way. You have tribalism. Do you have political polarization the way that it we probably have seen since 1858? And at the same time, you're just bringing more and more and more people.

And eventually people just look around and say what faith and what are we doing here? What faith in institution by who is the interesting question? Yeah. Well, that that's about the public by the public because the public has to believe that the institutions still matter. True, but so do the political leaders. Well, the political leaders have the army. They don't need to believe in the symbols because they have the power of the rifle. No, but they do. I would argue they do. And the reason I would argue that they do is, like, for example, if I'm a random Congress member, and my priority is how do I get rich? Not how do I govern? And how do I govern honestly? Your institution is fucked. It's, I completely. I completely.

I mean, you could say, like, they will stay there. And as you point out, they got the armies and they have police force and they have ice and they have all of these other things that will go out and kill people for, you know, for a dollar. But if you want an institution to succeed, you need buy-in, not just by the public, but by the people who are also there for them to believe in their jobs and what they're doing. I don't think that's what we have. Well, we obviously don't have that right now.

Like, you know, I wonder what would happen. If you had a quarter of the population that says, you know, if we're not going to enforce immigration law, then we're not going to pay our taxes anymore because they're both federal laws. And so if you nullify one, then what stops us from nullifying everything else? And you can't unify it as a group. You can't nullify it as an individual. No, you go to prison. But I'm saying, like, they can't put 200,000 people in jail if you say, no, we, as a tax protest, and this is one thing is that I think that the righties and lefties could agree on is as long as, if you keep passing these NDAAs,

so if you go through this merger with the Israeli military, or if you start to pick your cause that people are able to unite on, so as long as you do this, we will not pay our taxes. What happens? Again, you can do it as a group. We can't do it as an individual's. Individuals can get off groups less so.

Yeah, exactly. And I think that's why the, that's why the symbolism has to matter. Because once people start realizing, and none of this matters anymore. Then you start getting that mass effect where people are able to start going through and start making those decisions. It's just once that genius out of the bottle, where does it start? Because that's not a revolution.

That's a collapse. And those are fundamentally different things. Yeah, agree. No, I agree. Next question. Victor Brown, 3570. Robbie, your marriage fascinates me. Almost married a white woman.

We're still good friends after 55 years. Oh, thank you. So Keiz's a good lady. I'm glad that she... She's just a person. She's a person. Look, as somebody who dated a white woman, who she was fascinated by the whole concept of race.

I never wanted to talk about it. Because for me, it was just kind of like, dude, you're a person. What does it matter? Right? But for her, it was like, oh, this is so interesting. I got a black guys.

She just seemed to be enamored by the whole thing, right? I don't know. I mean, I'm not. And there are differences, but the differences were purely cultural, not. No, not for sure. Like, if Kizzi ever asked me, you said, Robbie, could you help me do my hair? I would completely screw it up. I would wreck it.

I'm the first one that would admit it. I would screw it up to. But on the tip side, though, I was just like, I tell her all the time, don't straighten your hair. Just rock an afro. It's okay. And she said, well, what are people going to think? I said, what?

I said, the only person whose opinion matters, is the guy you share your bed with. That's right. No one else matters. So, no, I mean, I appreciate that. That's, we have a good, uh, both, we'll have be married 20 years in October, which is wild. She's been putting up, she's been putting up by crazy self for all that time.

God help her. Years. 20 years. Congratulations. No, thank you. Frazmataz. Question for you, J.T. Uh, any ideas of why the Romans worship Pluto alongside the visible planets from Pluto was a, was not discovered.

until the 1800s. I don't have an answer to that. Yeah. I don't have an answer for it. I mean, I mean, and I don't know if they were worshipping the planet Pluto or the God Pluto, but I guess they used planet as God. So I guess that's what a question comes in. I'm not sure.

I mean, I'll tell you in astrology, Pluto is like the strongest planet, even though it's been demoted, which is the funniest thing in the world. I still, I refuse. I am a Pluto denier. I refuse to demote it. Pluto is the ninth planet. It will always be the ninth planet. If people are going to say that Anthony Vouchy is the pillar of truth that comes to vaccines,

then I will then pull out of, pull out of my hat, Pluto is still a planet. Yeah, Neil DeGrasse Tyson goes to fuck himself. For sure. It's not changing. It's not changing. But I don't know. I don't have an answer to that question. I don't know why.

I mean, that's a good question. I mean, what underworld was Pluto? Yeah. Let's see, was it Roman mythology came first, and then they interlaced it on the planets? Yeah, so basically it was Roman and Greek, no, concept, the religions basically were merged. Yeah, they were mingled. Right. And so the Romans basically what they did is that the wandering stars, so Mars, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter and Saturn, the ones you able to see from the naked eye.

they were attributed with the gods being like a representative of what they were. So where did Pluto come in? Which is interesting. Yeah, as far as that goes, I think that I think, no, I don't really know. I guess what I'm asking is that Pluto exists and then when Pluto was found, they inter they mapped it onto the planet Pluto. I think that's probably what happened. Anything that existed in mythology in advance of Pluto being found in which case they just added it to it in this pantheon. That's not because otherwise they weren't able to able to see it.

Yeah. Yeah, just too far away. It's too far away. But that's, but I think that's probably what is because a lot of, a lot of ancient religion wasn't so much about objects. It was about essences or energies or, things that control certain things.

Yeah. So influencers, yeah, that kind of thing. So, so you're able to, you're able to see these planes, you're able to see these domains, but death comes for us all. so it makes sense that even the gods could die in roman and greek mythology and so Pluto

was always there and it was ultimately governing force that everything else had to reside in so that's probably where Pluto comes from it was funny in astrology it's transformation death sex transformation i mean there's other stuff to it but those are made three yeah well christian is the same way is like no whenever you die it's not goodbye it's just a change of address yes so yeah change your form no so that's really about that comes wrong and i'm on a jockey ad d program show j t ted doesn't seem to get that juda plays a massive roles with israel that's why habad's boy kushner is there hakeem met with kushner and not a trump admin i think that uh i think that kushner is a part of the trump

administration i think he's probably trump's number two he's probably closer than the secretary of state He's Israel's iron boy. I think Ted gets that. I've never heard Ted deny Judaism was a part of Israel. But I guess I look at it as kind of like terrorists and Islam. Like if you meet randau person who is a Muslim, that guy's not trying to blow up anything. That guy's trying to live his life.

Right. And then you get these other people who desecrate the religion in sense and goes with the idea that, well, we can chop off heads if you don't believe in what we believe in. Okay, these people are just fascists. We're using the religion as a means of power and a means of organization. Or are they true believers?

And the reason why I ask that, does it the way that I've seen it, no, because I've read the, I've read the Quran and the Hadith. And, but I've never lived in a Muslim majority country. And so you can make the argument that Islam is a political system with a religious rapper. Kind of like, kind of like the Old Testament Christianity was. You know, but the laws of Moses. So if you, if you believe this, then you have to, you also have to accept the political laws as well as the civil laws.

And if you reject one, then that means you're not really a true Muslim because you're rejecting like 60% of the religion. But that's not the word in practice. I mean, in practice, it's like a regular state. Yeah. Let's say if you were in Jordan or if you were in Egypt. It's like the religious stuff is obvious because they have the temples beating out prayers over the course of the day and everything else. But under normal purpose, you're just, you're purchasing your products, living in your place with your wife, with your so forth. There may be rules around that intersect religious rules.

True. But I don't think that makes it a political religious. Or maybe it does. Maybe it does. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, I think that we have the same phenomenon here in the West, right? is that no, you have people who are culturally Christian, like Ted. No, he would tell you he's culturally Catholic.

He's an atheist, but culturally, though, he's Catholic. Right. And I think you're going to have that same phenomenon, no matter where is that you are, is that no, culturally I'm a Muslim or culturally I'm a Christian or culturally, I'm a Hindu. Agreed. But I don't really believe it. Whereas if you are, if you're like me, like I'm a fundamentalist. So I actually believe, you know, I actually believe the religious and, and, and, and,

and the law, that kind of thing. And I think that people try to say, well, Muslims who believe in a strict interpretation of Sharia law are not true Muslims. I think that's, I think it's disingenuous because by definition, they want to enforce these laws because they believe in the laws are passed down by Allah to his prophet. So you can't separate that. Now, is it ugly?

Sure. But that doesn't mean that they're not a believer. Yeah, but I would argue that's a mutation. every bit as much as I would believe like meaning you come up with a religion okay and then somebody takes it to the

inf degree and said we will chop off heads if you don't agree with our religion whoa whoa okay 90% right of the Muslims are going to say that's fucking outrageous okay so who decides

what it is so if you have a large share of Christians who decide that they're going to I don't know commit some kind of balance or whatever the hell they do but that's still a mutating of the faith. I don't take that as, I mean, look, I guess that's, this is, this is not a fact-based thing. This is just kind of perception-based thing. So I accept that, right? Somebody can say, well, it's still

Islam, even if it's a violent wing of Islam, it's still Islam, even though 90% of, what, 98, 95, whatever that number is, don't subscribe to it. Okay, but if 90-something percent don't subscribe to it, Is it really Islam in the way that we think of Islam or is it something else? Well, it's the difference between a fundamentalist and just someone who's culturally that way. Like, for example, if we lived in a truly Christian. You can believe fully in it without wanting to chop off somebody's head. But not the law, but not the law calls for it. So, for example, if we lived in a Christian country, and I submit that there's never actually been a truly Christian nation on this earth, that we've had Catholic country.

Those are different things. Right. Whereas, you know, for example, you know, and note in the law of Moses, if you committed adultery, or if you were a witch or warlock, you know, community with familiar spirits, how they called it, is a homosexuality for that matter. You got the death penalty for it. There's never been a Christian state where those laws are ever carried out as a matter of, as a matter of civil law. Like, have there been instances of it?

Sure, like the Salem witch trials. Those people were tried and executed by the colony of Massachusetts for witchcraft. Witches. But there wasn't anything by the Church of England where they controlled the monarchy saying, okay, if you do this, if we catch you, kind of like with Iran, how they have the morality police, right? If you do this, something bad is going to happen to you. It's just never really happened. The hell out if you were to stick or something, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it just doesn't happen. And I guess if you believe that these laws are passed down by God, then you have to accept them. And if your society has the judicial authority where religious law actually is civil law, then you have to go along with that. Am I making any sense? Yeah, you are. So in Christian, so most of these people aren't real Christians because they're not willing to chop somebody's arm off. Yeah, well, because, because, well, Christianity is probably really kind of a bad, it's really probably kind of a bad,

um, example anyway, because we, because you have the ceremonial law, like the priestly law, and then you had the civic law. So you had, so you had the libidical law and then you had the law of Moses. The law of Moses was codified civil law. And that hasn't been practiced anywhere, not even by Israel until after the time of the judges. Like, it just, it didn't happen. Even with the days of the kings, those laws were not followed. Because people aren't being violent to whatever God doesn't like under Christianity, does it mean that all of these people aren't really Christians and that the people who are willing to be valid for Christianity is.

Well, I think there's just for Islam. That the people who want to be balanced because something is in the Quran are the real Muslims and the other people are just kind of cosplay. Well, you see, and that's the thing because, like I said, you're uniquely able to answer this because I've never lived in a Muslim majority country. Because my understanding is that Islam doesn't have a, well, Catholicist is why you have the Pope, right? But with Islam, though, is that each Imam is able to use his local authority to enact things. Is that accurate? I mean, I got to be honest with you. I've been in Indonesia, Egypt, Jordan.

Oh, Jesus. I mean, they look like regular countries. They have laws. They have cops. You buy things in stores. They have women in short skirts, especially in Indonesia. The women in Indonesia are gorgeous. Still, a Muslim majority of country that has prayers four or five times throughout the day.

So I guess it depends on what you mean. Like, it's. I guess that's what I'm trying to. I guess that's what I'm trying to. You wouldn't think like, oh my God, this is a religious nation, short of the prayers. It's just more, it's just more cultural. Whereas I think if people try to say that a jihadist is not a real Muslim because she actually believes in the laws, I don't think that's accurate either. Just because they don't have the political power to make what they want to have happen happen does not mean that they're not sincere in their beliefs.

But they're sincere. Like that's what I'm saying. The people are Muslim. Like for example, if you're in Malaysia, there are no dogs in Malaysia. There are cats all over the place. and it looks very weird. Like, it's like, okay, that's strange. Why have there no dogs?

Is it because dogs are unclean in Islam? It's because dogs are not necessarily favored in Islam. I didn't know that. The way I learned that's because I went on a date with a woman when I was there. And she pointed out, she was like, yeah, dogs are that, you know, that's not necessarily, they're considered unclean and they are not necessarily like. Now, that's not always true. In Indonesia, they were dogs all over the place.

Or there were dogs, dogs were more prevalent. Put it that way. Iranians seem like their dogs. I guess Iranians like their dogs a lot. They have dog parks and stuff. Yeah, that's what I mean. And that's what you said. She was like, it's not hardcore.

It's a split. It depends on, I suppose, the Muslim nation, it depends on what they agree upon. But in Malaysia, at the very least in Kuala Lumpur, I didn't see any dogs. I saw cats. By the time you get to India, the dogs all over the place, or Nepal, the dogs all over the place because it's different religion. Right. But it didn't feel to me as if, and again, I didn't get arrested by the cops. There wasn't this thing of, okay, men and women have to be on different parts.

It's not like Saudi Arabia or it's not like Dubai. Dubai, that's where you get your, you know, prehistoric, to take a term, Muslim thing. It's like women and men, you've got to be on different sides. women are in beekeeper outfits. The people are separated by sex, those type of things. So Dubai, they believe it. Yeah, it's illegal. It becomes illegal.

It's freaking out because I got on the wrong train and everybody was looking at me in a particular way and I'm like, God damn. That's, I'm glad you didn't get arrested. Spock's Turtle. A question for you both. What will it take to get the citizenship in mass to push back against U.S. government? $10 gallon gas. A military draft. I agree.

Just pain. Dicious, aggressive pain with a government that doesn't give a ship. Pain, you will get anger from pain. How far away do you think we are from that pain point? I got to be honest. I mean, if you're talking about another country, they would have been in the streets by now. France would have been putting cows in the highway.

For us, we're different. We are taught that we're individuals and that any issue that we're having is effectively our own. We cause it. We saw. When Donald Trump made that speech about the home prices, and he was like, I don't want the home prices to go down. Why would I want somebody who's not working hard to get a benefit of a house? Right. That's your president saying that shit.

Right. Or when you're talking to a $4 dollar gas? And he's like, yeah, we got to pay that because, you know, hashtag nuclear weapons. So we need to pay more ship for something that didn't exist. Well, the Argentina thing where he points out, they're hurting in Argentina. So fuck American farmers. Okay. Keep making clips like that.

of people's pain go up. It's that part. At some point, people will realize the system is the issue. At least I hope they do. Because if they don't, it would just get worse and worse and worse. Until they realize

they have this idea that the system is somehow given to them by God as opposed to made by man. And the system, all things have been equal, you build it to do what you need it to do. That's it. It's no magic to. Is it sustainable? Is it something that you can replicate? Is it something that will go into the future? And is it something that will take care of the population and obviously maintain the home front? If it does those things, then it will succeed. Our current system doesn't do those things, or at least it doesn't do it well. And mainly it doesn't do it well because it's oriented to putting profit in the hands of the already rich, as opposed to everybody else who's suffering and struggling day by day by day. If the public doesn't get that, then the public is going to be in for it.

I mean, the public still has this mindset that, wow, if Elon Muskets a trillion dollars, that's such a good thing. Is it? And what does it mean that you even think that? Right? You are suffering, you're poor, and you're thinking to yourself,

wow, we're going to get the first trillionaire and it's going to be American. Yeah. That's not about it. No, my favorite thing is, look at this African-American immigrant doing this. It's just like, you're such a cook. I mean, just, I don't know, man.

It's just dumb. It's just dumb. Again, I don't have an issue with immigration. If that immigrant comes into the country and makes a bunch of jobs for people and blah, blah, blah, God bless. Right? He's like, I don't have any problems with immigration either if the country was whole. The problem is we're not. I mean, as long as we got people living under bridges and who are underemployed and are just trying to figure out how to eat, how to put food

on your on your table forget about buying a house as long as we're doing that as long as people here are hurting we must our government your your your only job is to take care of the people here your job is to make sure that the society is stable that you have a working economy and provide for the common defense that those are those are your three jobs agree it's not taking care of no our government our government actively hates us that's the argument that I make I'm just The sooner that burns down, the better. Let me see here. Frazmataz.

Ron's uncle work to under Lough Bugsy Siegel. That's how he probably got the porn gig. I don't know what that means, but... Wait, who's uncle? Ron's uncle work to under Bugsy Segal. That's how he probably got the porn gig. Yeah, Bugsy's gangster. I don't know who Lauren is, though.

but Buzzle Siegel is the gangster. Basically saying he worked under him and that's how he got the porn gate. Oh, Ron Jeremy. Oh, you mean Ron Jeremy? He must mean Ron Jeremy. Oh, maybe I don't know. If he says Ron and he said works under Buzzley Segal, that's how he got the porn gate. I'm assuming it's Ron Jeremy.

It's a porn star talking about him. That's why he got into the business. That is such a weird. Talking about a random comment. Talk about a random comment. Yeah, it just popped up. This looks interesting because Fresbitt has. He always puts up stuff that's just.

that's great. So I try to grab it, even if I don't understand what it means. Yeah. But I just, what he's talking about, Ron Jeremy. But because Ron Jeremy became famous because of his 20-inch penis. That's a fat man doing corn. Yeah. Good on the old. Yeah. Killway for Prez, 2028.

Robbie is spicy today and no Ted to keep the guardrails up. This should be awesome. Oh, there's some backstory. We've done well. We kept the shit together. No, we have. JT. Man, I love talking to you because with me, now how you say that, you know, before you can get in bed with the girl, she's got to at least have an interesting mind, be able to talk to her.

That's how I am whenever, that's how I am whenever I talk to somebody. It's just before I can, before I can commit to talking to you for an hour, an hour and a half, however long it happens to be online, I've got to at least know that you've got to do more than Trump is a God or Trump is bad. And you got to have some kind of activity going on. Like your IQ has got to be above room temperature. I will talk to Kala's any day of the week and twice on Sundays for as long as she wants. There you go.

So crazy. Anytime he wants to call me. Any time. Chimal? Yes. Let's do it. He said I was so smart. I appreciate that.

Oh, I appreciate that too. I love you. I love you. Manchelle, thanks for the dollar. Trump promised to drain the swamp, but instead he built a literal swamp in the reflecting pool and brought in more snakes and gators. Trump is not a cancer. He's a symptom. Agreed. Put lasers on alligators in the swamp. Dead mean club. Thank you for the $20. Is there a chance we elected president that isn't Israel funded or will the power of money always come before the people's choice?

I mean, this has the crash first. Yeah. It has to burn down. It has to fail. It's a fail. I mean, it has to fail. I mean, I don't know another way around it. The gears have to get to the point where it creaks. I mean, because otherwise, what is the thing that restrains it? Public is disengaged. Congress is not going to do anything. They're bought. They're corrupt. They're disengaged. And the president is obviously compromise. Compromise is an understatement. I think they got a video on Trump fucking a child. That's what I think. think um because i have a hard time to justify how he's behaving in the way that he's behaving this is because it's not my my my rules for countries that that they're cynical entities that countries work in their own self-interest and that could be people may not like that people may be like oh i can't believe the country did that was it in an interest yes they're gonna do it they may get it wrong but that's where they try to go none of this has been in our

in our interests. None of it. No, no, no. Yeah. I mean, this is something else. No, I mean, personally, I think America's conquered. I think this country was conquered without a shot ever being fired. And it was conquered because of the greed and the corruption and the graft of our ruling

class. They sold out. And I'm going to drop it here. They sold out to Jewish bankers for that money. And they have had them ever, ever since. I think the last, I think that the last independent president we had was JFK, and the reason why he got his brains blown out is because he realized Israel was an enemy, not an ally. And ever since then, everyone has stayed in line. Oh, dude, I got to get you an interview with this guy that I had for Kennedy where he made the argument that the reason to kill Kennedy was because of nukes.

Kennedy was trying to get his hands on the nukes that Israel got their hands on, and they whacked him for it. And he has a book on it where he wrote the argument. Kennedy wanted to go after Demona. I mean, that is a fact. We know he did. And one of the reasons why Kennedy wanted to, I think his exact quote was, break the CIA into a thousand pieces and scattered into the wind is because it was so controlled by the Zionists and their allies. You cannot have a representative government if you have a, if you have a, if you have a,

organization that is able to blackmail and control the people who are supposed to regulate it. By definition, you cannot have a representative stellar government in that situation. You cannot do it. And that's where we are right now. That's what I'm saying. To the conversation we had before about we have to actually believe in the government from standpoint of the people who are running the government. Like, many, they have to believe in it. They have to give a shit about it. They have to care about the population or they have to care with the policies that they're putting out for the population. And I don't get to, like, I get the difficulties of trying to balance 320 million people

into a smaller subset of 435 for 535 that is legislating and everything else. You have people who are calling you from all angles. I get that. But even within that context, you can still make choices, like when you earnestly are trying to make choices that are for the best. You can't do that if you're bought. And I don't care if it's Jewish or Jews that are buying or Israelis that are buying them. I don't care if it's Saudi Arabia who was putting all that money into Hillary Clinton's coffers. I don't care if it's them bribing Trump or crypto.

I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if it's rando on street given $1,000 or $100,000 to try to get something done in the particular district that they're in. You can't run a government under bribery. You could, but it's not going to be a government for the population. is going to be a government for whatever subset of people that's giving you all of that money. So I agree with you.

It doesn't work. It starts to implode. I mean, the Byzantines, they've founded this problem because all the reasons why they kept having civil wars is because money lenders kept funding nobles to try to get them to overthrow the city emperor. And if you're civil war after civil war after civil war, they destroy the state. That's what's going to happen here. It's just, I think what is that the American public is that too many of us, because the United States isn't another country, it's actually another planet, because we're so far away from everywhere else, that there's no real consequence for the bad decisions that we have. And the American people were so drunk, we're so drugged up, we're so insulated, so distracted, then we just think that this is normal when it's not normal. but people don't understand how abnormal this is.

Give it time. Give it time. No. Mark more words. Give it time. For sure. I think that can't go on. Don't. Right?

Like, you know, I had a doctor one time tell me he says, you know, the body will eventually fail, right? His point, he was trying to make the point of saying, you do a lot of risk issue. And I know that you take the blunt or the brunt of the consequences for the things that you're effective way. your effectively do it meaning you feel it it feels shitty but you just kind of absorb it just because you're trying to do something else yeah there will come a point where it fails and i think the same

thing's true for this it's not like he could necessarily say in four days you're going to keel over and die okay yeah you can't really do that but you don't really need to do that you can look at indicators look at factors you can say okay how do you maintain this placement and position in the world in the way that you're effectively going And the obvious answer is you can't. You can't predict it, right? You can't say, well, in five years, so-and-so, it's going to happen. No, not so much.

Sure. But if you were a betting man and you've seen every other empire, eat it and eat it in a very similar way, I place my bet on fail. Yeah. Up for saying here, no, we're off. No, I turned 50 in October. And one of the things I told Kizzy is that, you know, when my time is up, when I'm looking back on my life, life, I would like to see a lot of memories and not a lot of routines. And I think that's how it works with nations is that you do things to you can't.

And to your point, you're doing your best to live your life the way that you want to as a free man, be able to go do the things that you want to do, understanding that there will be a price to be paid. But you're comfortable with that because when that deep night comes, when you're able to look back, You say, I have a lot of memories. And that's a good thing. I mean, death is, I mean, everything dies. Everybody dies. That can't be the excuse not to do shit, right?

Yeah, agree. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Any more questions before we close, right? Any more post chats before we close? There is just one more that I want to see before we pull the plug on this. Kill away for Prez.

What's Robbie's thoughts as a writing? on Nick Fuentes, Groypers, and their penchant for Femboys. I think that they are a social pathogen. I think that

Nick Fentis is a Fed. I think it's fake and queers a $3 a bill. Oh, for sure. Why do you think he's a Fed? Well, because if someone's always telling me

that this is what you should do, but you're not willing to go out and do it yourself, that big gigantic hypocrisy flag just goes straight on up. Well, like what? Well, as I say, well,

then you need to go out. you need to get motivated. You need to restore Western civilization. You need to fight for the white race. Okay, well, then what does that mean? That means if ethno-nationalism is your thing, then that means that what you have to do is you have to go out and get married, have a bunch of kids, start training them with Christian values, actually passing that culture onto the next generation.

And you got to actually make a next generation. That means Nick Fuentes, you have to get married. That means you've got to have sex with a girl. That means you've got to get her pregnant. That means you've got to raise the next generation of Nick Quintes. The fact that he's not able to do this and the fact that Candace Owens, by virtue of her sucking air, got under his nerves whether they did, shows me everything I need to know, he is a lying,

he's a lying hypocritical, two-faced bastard. And I don't know why anyone takes him seriously. He's his quote, a $3 bill, and he sucks. He saw the interview with Candace on. Oh, for sure. Now, the best thing happened to Nick Fuentes, he'll have a happy accident by the flight of stairs. I mean, nothing of value would be lost. Yeah, that interview was rough.

It was just so, like, for one, give her credit. She was sexy in an interview. I give her credit on that. Oh, she's a beautiful woman. Well, it was more, I guess, from my point of view, demeanor. Like, because there were parts in an interview where she just sits back and just observes. And it's almost like she's calculating, okay, how do I, how do I take him apart? Right?

And he's spiraling. He's like, I'm not going to sit here and let a woman tell me so and so and so and so. And he even went so far as to say something like, like, who's going to be with me? I'm considered a white nationalist. I can't get women and blah, blah, blah. And she is like, it's like it unnerved him. Her poise in the interview. It was just very weird of an interview that she obviously took him apart in, or he came apart in the interview. and he seemed to take issue with the fact that she was a woman, which is weird. It's because he's a flamer. That's why the dude hates women. It was weird. It was very weird.

She did good in that interview. I'm not a big Janet Candace once, but she did get a net interview. I mean, she would have won just by sitting there. Yeah. Yeah, she pissed by by being there. It's like you have breasts and a vagina sitting in front of. me. How dare you how dare you ovulate and produce offspring with your white man while I'm a white nationalist? Right. You screw you. Let me see. And have sense with that white man. Yeah.

Yeah. No, for sure. So this would be the last one we'll call it a day. See if I can pronounce this right. Cephalus royals. I've totally buched that name. I apologize. I'm a retard. $20. Robbie, you're my favorite W.B. I appreciate that. I'm glad I'm your favorite WB. I don't even know what that means. What is that? Oh, white boy, I'd imagine. White boy, okay.

Yeah, it won't take it. It's like, W. B, what? What is that? All right, y'all. I've come to the end. We have.

Let's see if I can make this thing work and we'll hold the plug. Thank you, JT. It's always a pleasure, my friend. Robbie, always a pleasure to have you, man. Yeah, you get your JFK, hey, listen, you get your JFK guy on. I want to talk to him. I need to find that guy. I haven't talked to, I think it was like,

Like last year that I talked to him and he was good. I mean, believe what you want about the JFK assassination and everything else, obviously. But he wrote this book basically trying to make the argument that it was the Israelis or at the very least, the CIA, the person who ran it at the time was Jewish and that it was more of an issue with JFK trying to get his hands on the nukes that Israel was able to get their hands on. And that they killed him for it. Now, again, that's his argument. That's his point of view. He wrote the book on it and he will be a better steward of that argument. for it but he definitely makes argument so if I could find I would look for him at any time I have

four shows I have another show after this one and I still have to cut the videos for today yesterday but I'm going to find that guy because you'd like to talk to him sounds good right my friend you have a good one good man be safe Robbie you too buddy bye bye