DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - EPA and NYC Lied About 9/11 Air Quality | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. Today we discuss:• In the harrowing months that followed the attacks on the World Trade Center, New Yorkers were repeatedly assured that the air around the fallen towers was safe to breathe. But 10 months later, health officials were still finding evidence of asbestos as much as a half mile away according to documents released by Mayor Zohran Mamdani after decades of cover-ups.• The Trump administration did not oppose a UK-led initiative to impose new sanctions on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. The White House's decision not to push back on the UK effort is a signal of its frustration with the Netanyahu government's policy in the West Bank. Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain and Sweden joined.• Israeli opposition politicians said that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was “unfit” for office after a newspaper reported he had been warned that Hamas was planning a major operation weeks before the Oct. 7, 2023, attack but did not alert security officials.MERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

Good morning. It's D. Program with Ted Raul and Jamarle Thomas. It's Wednesday, September 9th, 2026. Thank you so much for joining us. We do this show Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. Eastern Time. We also do a Monday, we do a special Q&A show at 12 noon. It's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Today is one of those. Joining us at 12 noon as a guest for the Q&A will be the author of Breaking Ice, which is about how communities are confronting Ice. But we'll be talking to Sonali Kolhotkar. And this is her book, if you want to go check it out before the show. That's at 12 noon today. All right. So what do we got here? Oh, yeah, don't forget to support the show. We definitely need you to subscribe, especially given some of the recent changes at one of our major distribution hubs, which is Rumble.

the finances have changed. Suffice it to today, say we would really appreciate it if you subscribed either there, but especially if you can subscribe on YouTube, that would be really great. I know this is kind of a pivot away from what we used to do. Good morning, Jamaral. How are you doing? Jamar, I'm not hearing you.

Jay, you'd be muted, sir. Your microphone is not doing a shiny, glory red thing. Oh, that's what it is. The shiny, glowing red thing that's not working. No working. I'm sorry. Well, I cut it off because I don't want the background sounds. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, I'm doing better than many U.S. bases are doing. They fired, like, for the audience, who probably have seen some of the footage in the video right now, Iran unleashed, like an ungodly amount of missiles. I think it was like 30, 40 ballistic missiles. The U.S. launch over at least 100 patriots to confront it. And you think to yourself, even if you hit everything, which you didn't. can't do that every day. You don't have 100 patrons per day to launch like that.

How much does each one cost? Like over a million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They laid launch $400 million within the course of a night. Meanwhile, Americans sleep on the streets. Yes. That's why you can't have nice things. That's why you can't have nice things.

That's why you can't have nice things. I had the guy who was on, who wrote the book, a trillion-dollar war machine. And, you know, I love the guy, right? Because it was like a meeting of the minds. Because he effectively wrote the book for what I think I argued in the video the week before. Like, dude, this is like 10 trillion, 15 trillion, whatever that number is in the trillions. And you think to yourself all the things that you don't have so psychopaths can attack and invade countries. And it's like, okay, but can I get a streak that, you know, it's not crappy? Can I get health care? Can I get free education? Can we get a base on the moon? You're spending.

that much money and there's nothing to show for the money that is we don't even apparently have many bombs left but here's the thing jac you're you're wrong because someone does benefit from those if you're Israeli you get all those things what's judgments of the American taxpayer so the Americans protect your country the Americans fund your health care the Americans fund your education system the Americans fund your vacations the Americans fund all these nice things that you have so someone does benefit, the ruling class benefits, the people who are at the top of the pyramid, they benefit, but yeah.

You should be saying. I benefited once when I was in the room. I needed to get pain medication. And I thought, oh, God, this is going to be painful. The doctor was a weed doctor. And I was like, yeah, I don't really need weed right now. I need trauma at all. I need pain meds.

My prescription right now. He gave me this prescription. I thought to myself, this is going to hurt when I go to the pharmacy. and the shock when the bill was about as much as I would pay with insurance in the United States. And the woman was like, yeah, a lot of people are shocked by this. Well, they have health care. Yeah, when you travel overseas, it's always astonishing. How dare you?

No, it is shocking how good it is overseas and how they apologize to you because you're getting their shitty version because you're not in their system. and their shitty version is much better than our best version. So, yeah, it's pretty crazy. All right, well. The German. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, go ahead. Well, I talked about the German when I was in Cairo,

and we were sitting in the hospital waiting room smoking a cigarette. And he's like, oh, because that's funny. It's Egypt. Right, right, right, right. And he out of the blue, I didn't even know he spoke English. He's very debonair, very sophisticated. And he's like, how much do you pay for this? Everyone is an intrusive question, right?

But until 250, and he's like, oh my God, I can't believe you. You know, the country does that. And he's basically saying, North can we? Yeah, right, right. It's like, dude, you're not alone. You're not alone. And he was pointing out as a German citizen,

they pay for his health care, even when he goes abroad. Yeah, well, and by the way, that is how it should be, right? It's not like you cease needing. I mean, in this country, we're so ridiculous. If you are on Medicaid and like you're relatively well covered in your own state, if you travel outside of state, you know, if you go, if I go across the Hudson River to New Jersey, it's like, you know, what are you supposed to never leave your state? I mean, it's upset. I mean, New York's a lovely state, but really? Yeah, it's really a stupid system.

All right. We got lots to talk about today. and I'm determined that we talk about the actual topics, as well as the stuff that we get in the comments. If you're watching live 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. Eastern, please do pipe in with your questions and comments. Really appreciate your super chats and your Rumble Rants. And also, again, don't forget to subscribe. All right. So Mayor Mamdani basically found a trove of well over 100,000 documents in a bunch of bankers boxes that had been secreted over the course of both Democratic and Republican administrations that proved something that we New Yorkers have long suspected.

Pretty much nobody should have been allowed back into Lower Manhattan or parts of Brooklyn after 9-11, probably for years. But we were told by the EPA, by its former head, Chrissy Todd Whitman, that everything was totally fine, totally safe to breathe. They even lied to then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who asked about this and said that he suspected the error was bad and that Whitman lied right to his face. This is all in the documents. We could talk about that. Also, two big Israel stories.

There's a new push by 12 countries led by the UK to impose sanctions against West Bank settler terrorists. It's the U.S. the Trump administration sat on its hands and didn't do anything to intercede. That's, I know, I feel like I know what your take on this is going to be, but it's still significant symbolically. And last but not least, the Haaret's very respected, progressive-leaning daily newspaper in Israel is reporting, and Netanyahu is furious about this as he faces his reelection campaign. that he was warned in detail by the Emirates about the oxover 7th Hamas raid into Israel proper, and he decided not to pass any of that on to Shimbet or to the IDF. That would explain a lot of what happened.

But anyway, there's other explanations for what happened. Anyway, where shall we start? Should we do some comments? Some of the stories. All the those are just good. The Israeli one is wild. I mean, well, all of the stories are wild, to be honest. The people who believe that the government is either apathetic towards them,

I would go further and say your government just doesn't care about you at all. No. You get a terrorist attack on 9-11. That terrorist attack demolishes buildings. People are living in the wreckage of those buildings. Mind you, when we, with Israel attacks, it does that like every day, right? Like, we need those type of level of attacks where they're killing people and going after buildings. and all the time. They do that daily.

Oh, 11 is a joke compared to Gaza. Yes, and we get it once and we freak out, right? Yeah. New York, with all of the particulates, with all the matter, Suffler, Bestos, all of that stuff, basically in the construction of those buildings is obviously a safety hazard. Obviously a safety hazard.

And they go out, instead of saying, we're the government, who spends a trillion dollars, on his military and spends a trillion dollars a year just to cover the debt, that government doesn't want to put out the money necessary for those people to be away from their homes while this is resolved. Instead, what they do is everything's okay. Despite, you know, if best those is in those buildings. And you can see the particulates floating through the air. Everything's good. I saw it. That's outrageous. So, yeah, I mean, look, I was in New York on 9-11.

And let me just say this. So first of all, the World Trade Center was built beginning in the late 1960s and it was completed in the early 1970s. At the time that it was initially constructed, asbestos was included as a fire retardant in the whole building. About 40% of the building was complete and full of asbestos at the time that the EPA under the Nixon administration banned asbestos. And at that point, it was no longer allowed. However, the buildings that already had it were grandfathered in at that time. They weren't doing remediation. Also, they didn't really know how to do remediation at the time.

So they just kept building. So the remaining 60% of the building was completed without any asbestos. But, you know, these were 110, two giant 110-story buildings. And for people who've never had, never were inside one, It's hard to explain how big they were. You know, you would get off the elevator. And if you, let's say you needed to walk, you had to walk through a square, a square shaped corridor to get to an office on the other side.

It was a good, solid, brisk seven-minute walk to get to the other side of the building. You know, I'm six-two. I walk fast. I mean, these were big. So the, so when the buildings came down, They released all that asbestos dust and a lot of other shit into the air. A lot of, I hate to say it, bits of corpses, but there was also electrical wiring. The smell, and so when I, technically speaking, so on 9-11, when the attacks took place, I was on a train in New Jersey.

I made it back into the city around four or five o'clock in the afternoon. The attacks, of course, were in the morning. I got out of the train probably about five miles north of ground zero at 34th Street and 7th Avenue where Macy's is. And there was dust coming down there, there. So they're talking about in these papers about like they found evidence of asbestos half a mile away. Let me just say, I had friends, colleagues who lived in Brooklyn. They found papers from the World Trade Center on the roof of their building.

you know, this was three, four, five miles away. New York City is a very vertical city, so there's a lot of people in a one-mile radius of anything. I mean, there are blocks with 10,000, 20,000 people on them. So this was a massive catastrophe. And, you know, I think about, I compare this to the so-called evil Russians and the way they handle things.

When Chernobyl happened, they were like, nobody can live here. There's an exclusion zone. We evacuate the entire population and no one's ever going to live there again. That's frankly what we should have done with Lower Manhattan. Probably nobody should have been able to move back there for maybe ever, but 10, 20 years at least. But they didn't do that. I have a friend who died as a result of a post-9-11 disease.

He lived on Church Street, and he lived about a good three quarters to a mile north of Ground Zero. He and his wife, this is really ridiculous story, and he would have laughed about it because he was a very funny guy. But he was a working class punk rock singer and George Tab. And he and his wife had gotten through the housing lottery in New York, one of the rare affordable housing units that they do when they build these luxury buildings for 300 condos and there's like one or two affordable housing units in the building. But he managed to get one, right? Just like the luck, just the luck of the devil.

So he gets that thing. The day after 9-11, all the asbestos gunk starts coming through the ventilation systems up into the apartments, including his. you know, he was starting to feel sick pretty much right away. And within a few years, he was gone. People are still dying from this. The Bloomberg administration is the most responsible. They came into office immediately after these events. And they obviously sat on this for three consecutive mayoral terms. And it's a scandal. Michael Bloomberg, who now I know part of the reason why he didn't, want Zorong Mamdani to get into office because he was afraid of this kind of thing coming to life. God knows what else there is.

It's one of those things that all New Yorkers knew they were being lied to. But you kind of sort of, but if the government says it's probably okay, then maybe the rain took care of it. It doesn't make any sense, really. And, you know, I mean, I'd love for there to be hearings. There won't be. Nothing's going to happen. It's probably something.

They're not safe to live down there. I don't know. They killed thousands of people. They should be prosecutions. There should be. I mean, people should be prosecuted. They kill thousands. Yeah. Like when Mondani gave the speech yesterday. They killed more people than the terrorists did. Yes. That was the part of the point that he made.

This killed more people than the terrorists did. Something that the government knew about it, buried intentionally, and allowed all of those people to go in living their life, getting cancer, getting ethizema, getting other kind of heart elements, whatever. As a direct result, of this. How should there should be prosecutions. People should be screaming for blood. That's a big deal. If to the point that you've just made, your friend did nothing wrong. Your friend would just live in his life. And as a result, if the mayor came out and said, look, we need an exclusion zone. This area is unsafe. We can't allow you to live here because you will die. What would people have done? Okay, maybe some people would have complained, but at the very least, it would have been due deal. to let the public know as opposed to outright lying to the public. Like that time must be a huge deal. This is a major scandal. And yeah, there should be prosecutions. Moundongda Nogani should move, as you point out, for hearings. And yes, for prosecutions of the people

that were directly responsible for all of these deaths. And you can say, well, the terrorist did it. Okay. The issue is that the government knew that it was unsafe. They knew that they were breathing in things that was going to shorten, if not kill them. And the government buried that information. Yeah, they do. If y'all have never seen Tucker Carlson's deep diving in 9-11, you all need to watch it. It's fantastic.

There is so much stuff that's buried in there that most people have no clue about that. Forget what you think about the man personally about his politics. Watch the documentary and he unpacked stuff like, why were certain stocks shorted the day before? And a lot of people

made a crap ton of money. And to this day no one has ever no records have been released about about that happens or either and basically just be clear they know who it is they just don't know who it is of course yeah these are yeah the SEC has those records yeah but that's outrageous why

like I guess my issue is why do they need to wait 20 years to tell the American public something and again this is a breeds distrust it breeds distrust the tuck of also thing is fantastic I mean, some of this stuff is just mind-blowing. Like, for example, the CIA was running an operation in the United States using the people who effectively were going to end up on the airplanes. At no point did they tell the FBI that the terrorists were in the country and that the CIA were trying to flip the terrorists.

And you think, whoa, they didn't give the FBI heads up. They did not. And then they buried the shit after when everything blew up in their face. And they were like, it's all Saddam. It's all, you know, the terrorists is all this stuff. We had nothing to do it. Oh, and by the way, what about all the fucking loose ends that are never, you know, we don't ever hear about? When the planes were grounded on 9-11 immediately, right, they found box cutters taped under the seats in other airports that we, you know, most of the flights originated out of Boston, right?

But I think Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, which means that the ground crews were infiltrated. And it's like, well, we're not talking about that. As far as I know, nobody's ever, he was even even questioned about this, much less certainly no one was prosecuted over it. Look, this whole thing, we're going to talk about the October 7th thing. This is a theme today where basically, look, everybody knew that something was coming, right? I mean, but like the question did they know specifically when? Like I always say, you know, it's a little bit laying it on thick that August 2001 memo that went to George W. Bush saying, you know, al-Qaeda are preparing to attack in the United States.

Well, big fucking deal. You know, if I say, hey, Jamar, be ready. Someone's going to attack you. And you say, thanks, Ted. I appreciate the information. Who's it going to be? Oh, I don't know. Oh, it'll be Al-Qaeda.

Oh, okay, what are they going to do? I don't know. Be careful. When are they going to do it? I don't know. Just be careful. That's not very useful to you. But it's like, you know, but like the Emirati supposedly gave specific information.

And we know that Hamas gave some very specific information. And we'll get into that. But I mean. Yeah, you need to get into that. Because that story is fucking incredible. I mean, like, okay, seriously, according to the New York Times, not a wild-eyed conspiracy publication, although they definitely published lies, but not these kinds of lies. You know, there was an eight-hour-plus response time.

In some cases, it took three days, but it took eight hours. for the IDF to show up at some of these kibbutzum, right, on October 7th. Okay, you've been to Israel tomorrow. I mean, it's the size of New Jersey. It's a modern country with up-to-date infrastructure. You can drive from the furthest point away, which was the Golan, occupied Golan Heights, to southeast, to southwestern Israel. It takes about two and a half hours if you take your time, okay?

Driving slowly. The IDF has helicopters and planes. It's like they didn't show up. I mean, you know, the residents of the Kabitsa were calling it desperately from their safe houses. Please, please, please, please help. Nobody's coming. There's army outposts. The Hamas guys get there.

The door is unlocked, open. Nobody's in there. And this is a smart fence that's been breached, right? Which means the second, it's like your home. security alarm goes up, the second someone breaks it, they know. And it's, I mean, these are, it's, it's, it's, I mean, October, I mean, 9-11 is not quite as brazen. But again, think of the response time, right? I mean, for two and a half hours, you've got 12, you know, you've got, you've got, you've got 12 air national guardsmen responsible for the, the safe, the safeguarding of the

airspace of the contiguous 48 states. 12. They're all on the ground. There's not a single plane. It's like for two and a half hours, the terrorists have the friendly skies all to themselves. I mean, two and a half hours. That's a long time. I mean, planes go 600 miles an hour. Well, also, you got to remember when the Israelis, the military showed up when they finally got there, it was not to rescue the hostages. They used a Hannibal directive. We do not know how many Israelis. We do not know how many Israelis were killed by the Israeli military. The Israelis know because they have

photo drones. I mean, if it has a guess there's at least half of them, maybe more. Hundreds, for sure. It's hundreds. At least. They slaughtered their own people. Yeah, and the whole logic was rather than let them fall into the hands of Hamas. By the way, if that's your policy,

okay, look, that's arguable, but you should be, you're transparent about that. Well, also, that's the policy. shouldn't be having a dance-a-a-dance-a-thon on the other side of the border three kilometers away from a you're half-negated you're being half-necked in a drug-fueled rave on stole on uh on stolen Palestinian land so ain't that some shit yeah that is that is not wrong wrong stolen land um yeah i guess we should talk about the israel story because it's huge we do need to talk about it I read and I was like, my mouth at the floor.

Because what they're trying to say is, we knew that the Egyptians had warned Nanyahu in advance. We knew about that part. That part was kind of known in the media. This is different. This is the UAE president given a very specific, explicit warning saying, Hamas is going to attack you. They're going to attack you. And then Nahu is like, okay, but we're prepared. And he's like, dude, you are going to get attacked.

You need to take operations either for defense or offense. to stymie what they're about to do. Then Yahoo didn't tell the heads of his spy agency either for the IDF or for Shinbet, basically, their CIA. Didn't tell either that he had been provided this bit of information. It gets more interesting because what they're saying is that Yaya Sinwar, head of Hamas,

is the one that gave the warning. Which I was like, no effing way. Well, it actually, there is a fucking way, right? Because... There's a logic to it. Well, under Islamist ideology, you know, they believe that it is a ethical and moral requirement for a Muslim to provide a warning of an imminent raid against your attacker, against your victim, where you basically say, listen, you've been a bad person and I'm coming after you. And because it's dishonorable not to give a warning. That's that?

It's like the Brits who thought it was dishonorable for the Native Americans to take their heads off. It's like, oh, they're hiding behind trees. But the Hamas guys, they thought that. And I mean, and bin Laden always issued specific, not very specific, but always issued warnings too before, you know, the, like the East Africa embassy bombings and so on. So, I mean, it's part of Islamist ideology that they would do that. But here's the thing. Hamas, we know that like up to. a year before the attacks, they were posting their videos of their practice sessions for October

7th on social media, right? Now, I assume that the sophisticated Mossad intelligence apparatus has access to Facebook and Instagram and X. And if not, you know, they should call us. We can help them. You know, I mean, I'll show them how to do it. Like, guys, here's how you log in. Here's how you create your account. You know, I mean, it's just like they literally did that. So, I mean, Hamas wanted them to know. And you know, when you see the videos of the Hamas fighters in Israel on that day, there's this incredulous, I mean, they all thought that all that they were going to be

martyred that day. They thought they were going to go in there. They're going to be out there alive for 45 minutes and they're all going to be shot, you know, blown away. And that basically it's all going to be for the, they couldn't believe that how much how far they got and how much, you know, how far they got, how much, how long they were out there, how much success they had. They were just like, wait, what the fuck is going on?

It's kind of like Israel left the door open, which they did. Which they did. And then Yahoo knew. He allowed it. By the way, but yawai assing one thing blows my mind. A, that's dumb. I don't care if it's your religion. That's dumb.

That's not the way. I agree. It's dumb about. I'm sorry, this is not about some religious thing. You are being oppressed. You are going after your oppressor. Your oppressor will use any and everything at their disposal to take your head off. They are not playing by the rules of, let's give them a warning first.

They're playing by the rules of we are taking the heads of the leadership. We don't care if it's Iran. We don't care if it's God. Well, you want as much success as possible. You want the best possible chance for success. Yeah, you're the best possible chance with success. I mean, I mean, I know this is the American in me. Fair enough.

but everything is subordinate to the objective. If the objective is we are going to attack Israel's military installations, and we are going to break through the gates and we're going to do this, then do it. Don't tell me about it. Barking dogs don't bite. Do it. They did it.

And I guess my point is beyond the Sinai thing, because that is going to look, in Muslim circles or Middle Eastern circles, that's a big effing deal. Like, because they look at him as a martyr of sorts, the ultimate martyr. I mean, the iconic image of him dying on the battlefield with like a weapon in his hand, its last breath. Okay, that's very iconic, right? It's a little weirder if a warning was given that this was going to take place and Simwa gave the warning. And then the thought became, okay, well, did Simaer give the warning because he full well understood

the gravity of what was about to happen and the Israeli response to what was about to happen. That was the other thought. Like, you're a leader trapped within the context of a plan that you're going to go through with, But you know the consequences of that planning. You're trying to stop it from coming into fruition, but you as a leader still have to go through with it. I wasn't sure what to think about that. But what Adjudo is Netanyahu knew.

Yeah, and he's not here to tell us. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is the first time I've ever heard that warning your enemy that an attack was coming as a part of Islamic ideology. I've never heard that before. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. I know that the Mamloks were big on that.

Like, they were big on honor. but as far as as far as Islam as a whole I can't think of a time where Caliph Ali reached out the Emperor Leo the Thursday hey by the way I'm coming in next week to punch in the face I get ready to come in Constantinople next I may have missed that email

but I mean I don't think that's true now to your point note there is the Japanese know when Pearl Harbor happened they were supposed to have issued the final part of their ultimatum 30 minutes before the attack started. Because of Bushito, it's dishonorable to kill a man in his sleep. So the Japanese figured 30 minutes is enough time to wake up the American giant.

Yamamoto freaked out the way that he did because that memo arrived an hour and a half late and the attack was already well underway. And that's why he said, all we've done is waking a sleeping giant and fill them, but the terrible resolve. So I do know that as a part of Japanese culture. If this part of Islamic culture, I haven't seen it. Like I said, the men looks definitely were big on it. But they were also influenced.

It's definitely part of Islamist, Islamist, as opposed to Islamic culture. Gotcha. I mean, John does it all the time to my chagrin. Yeah. I mean, look, everybody has their inner retard. I personally, I prefer the American way. I will stick across the river on Christmas and kill you in your sleep. I mean, just saying.

It's look, the object. You get the job. done if both of us are playing on the same script both of us know that both of us are going to do that fair game yeah for sure speaking of that when we're doing sift six again when can we do six um so today can't do it today at three interviews after this damn you j t i mean it even at one two and five but tomorrow tomorrow we're doing it see tomorrow's treatment days tuesday thursday friday i'm not bullshitting you when i tell you my schedule is often i get it i'm just I'm just jerking era.

We'll talk about it. All right. Let's do some comments here. Golden Talon, good day from Sydney, mates. Welcome to the end of the world. Thank you very much. Thank you for the dollar. RIP King Harold V of Norway for monarchs.

He was beloved. Okay. Robbie, your son signed up too early, says F you so. He could have gotten debt forgiveness brought to you by Israel's own U.S. government. Did you see that article, by the way? I did not. I say, Jerusalem Post wrote an op-ed, and the op-eds, the basic premise of the op-ed or the thesis was, look, the United States is in a war with Iran. In order for the U.S. to actually win this war, the U.S. has to put on ground troops,

but it would need, like, millions of ground troops. The American public is not really into that. So what they can do is they can use the fact that most Americans are in debt and are economically insufficient or at the very least economically vulnerable and use that debt to leverage Americans to join the military for debt forgiveness. So, hey, you need to pay off your house. You need to pay up your house bills. You need to pay off your student loans. You need to pay off whatever. We'll pay for that so you can go and die at the hand of Iran. It's not even as good as service, get citizenship. All right. We'll pay your debts for Israel

for Iran to queue you on behalf of Israel. Yeah, fuck that. It's outrageous. Frazal Draperoni, comment for Ted, the anthrax cleaning company, co-founded by Giuliani, was named Bio1 Solutions. Okay. F.E.O. Beach homes here in Southern California are washing out to sea. Dana Point to Long Beach is insane. One home completely washed a sea in Dana Point. Also, question for both of us.

Mayday, have you seen it? No. Maybe. Maybe we're moving? I mean. Let's see. There should be a five-dollar, Kevin, there should be a five-kilometer radius non-residential living zone at the 9-11 ground serial location. I think that's true.

I mean, that would have been okay if they tested the air quality in earnest. But you can trust them. It's that. And look, I don't, I want to trust my government. Sure. I want to. I don't. But who can believe a word they say?

I mean, seriously, the same people who told you that Saddam Hussein, who was a mortal enemy of al-Qaeda, was going to give al-Qaeda nuclear weapons for some reason. So al-Qaeda could use them against us, but not him, even though he, I mean, the whole thing is so insane. We got some good- The drinking water case brings this up also, where the court says, look, you don't have a right to clean drinking water. And the point is, get it. a better government, but we can't, like meaning there's nothing to force us to give you clean drinking water and there's nothing for us to compel the government to do so. You need a better government.

Should people have a right to clean drink water? 100%. Well, that is a constitutional right in a lot of countries. So I think the judge sadly was right. I don't think there is a constitutional right to clean, I mean, there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution that says that the government must provide any kind of basic services or safety to the American people. The Weimar Constitution in the 1920s in Germany guaranteed all German citizens a job or the equivalent pay thereof. Now, granted, they weren't able to do it because they were broke, but the point is, at least it was a constitutional guarantee. Right.

We got a bunch of gift memberships from, let's see, Deander Luzoo got one from Aguomunk. Agu monk gave one to Capishi and Aguomunk gave one to Alex N. Thank you, Agamunk. We appreciate you. If you so, maybe the U.S. Empire could just do some BDSM instead of war to get its rocks off. We BDSM some folks. Now, there's a certain...

It'd be sexy. You know, kinky war makes... Kinky sex makes the world go around. Yeah, I don't want to see Lemberg. And there will be a few. There are a few. It's like, oh, that's interesting. October 7th, I think there's no question that Nathu knew, right?

Yeah. I guess, you know, let's set aside, like, the, you know, Israel's rancid politics and the way that they... they deal with the Palestinians. Domestically, if you're just a Zionist, Israeli, who's only concerned about Israeli Jewish safety, how on earth can you support in that Nihahu now? This is a betrayal.

It's a betrayal. Yeah. I mean, let's keep in mind, right? Israel is supposed to be the safe haven for Jews. Although there's no more dangerous place on the planet to be Jewish. But, yeah, sure. Right. Well, short of Gaza or Lebanon, southern Lebanon.

But yeah, when you have missiles that can at any particular moment land and destroy everything around you because you don't necessarily know if your government is going to launch some random attack, then, yeah, it's not the safest place in the world. But this is different. This is, A, Nanyahu killing its own people and B, allowing its own people to be killed. That's a different animal. Right. I mean, by the way, doing it in order to expand Israel's political military, let's say Zionist military and political objectives. He allowed Israelis to be killed for his own political objectives. I mean, how can they, how can they support?

How can they forgive him? How did Americans forgive FDR? I mean, I can't prove this, but I permanently believe that FDR knew that Pearl Harbor was going to happen. We were reading the Japanese mail. We had that missing part we talked about a little bit ago. The American catographers had it eight hours before the attack started. They freaking knew.

And yet FDR goes up there on December 8th, December 7th, 1941. Obviously, they were trying. They were talking about it. It's the same thing. They were in the negotiations. They did know that an attack was imminent. They did know that that's why they were in like hot and heavy negotiations with the Japanese, right? Like up until a few hours before it happened.

And then suddenly the Japanese cut off. the talks. They had to know, like, the shit's about to hit the fan. Of course, but they didn't, but they didn't warn any of their commanders. They didn't warn Kimmel. They didn't warn short. They didn't warn anybody. FDR wanted that attack to happen. With FDR, even above the same thing knows, he was, Republicans hated him, right? But the thing is that with FDR, there was plausible deniability. There is not any, there's no space here for doubt when it comes to Netanyahu. No, it's pure arrogance because I'm thinking about this. I've kind of touched you about it before.

You're having a drug-filled rave dance party half a mile away from the border of the largest open-air prison on the planet. Yep, true. Haunting these people. So first, who organized the rave? Second, we give them the permits. Third, why pick that location? Wait, just between one. That rave was probably just a random Tuesday.

They would have done that before any day. hell knows i don't think anything was special about the day they don't give a shit about palestinians in fact they seem to get their kicks off making their lives miserable so that raid as you point out drug-fuel raid on that could have been a tuesday yeah this wasn't the i don't think the hamas attack had anything to do with the rave it just happened to be just happened to be happening hey listen if i was gonna if i was gonna listen if i was gonna pick this thing i want to inflict as much harm as i possibly could if have a bunch of ingrates over there who are not inside of a a fortified, no, village.

And they're right there dancing. From Hamas's point of view, it was just good luck. It was just a happy luck for them. I don't think it was luck. I think we're watching. They're using those balloons. We know they're watching. So they saw, okay, here there are. They're partying.

It's also true that the rave was no doubt, like, you know, advertised on social media and stuff, right? Of course. It wasn't a secret. Yeah, for sure. And that's my point. Months ahead of time. Wartime leaders are incredibly popular and they're able to,

to get away with things they normally could not do in peacetime. That's what that's no different from Netanyahu than it is now. I mean, think about this. Southwest Syria now belongs to Israel. Yes. They own it. Yeah. They own the West Bank.

Gaza's been leveled. Southern Lebanon is as effectively Israeli. The entire Arab world has been neutered the exception of Iran. I mean, that Yahoo, I mean, he won. politically against his Arab neighbors, but he lost the war against Hamas. That's the difference. I don't know. I mean,

it may be more complicated. I mean, I think you're right that the Arabs or the Sunni Muslims were neutered. They were neutered on their own puppetry. Oh, for sure. Yes. Like, meaning when Amos did that, the Sunnis watched

other Sunnis get slaughtered and didn't do shit about it. Exactly. They put it. They made it worse when Iran. gets involved, they do everything in their power to protect Israel, the entity that is killing the other Sunni Muslims. Okay, that's, right? But you're saying, whoa, that's intense. Yeah.

Yeah. But to answer your question? There's a very strong parallel. People like to compare October 7th, 9-11. That's the wrong analogy. October 7th was Pearl Harbor. They knew it was coming. They let it happen.

They let it happen. Well, they definitely knew it was going to happen. Whether Pearl Harbor was that, it was a different. Look, FDR wanted Pearl Harbor to happen, of course. Yes, he did. But FDR was effective. If Germany, if FDR was doing everything that he could do, Len Lease to be a co-belinger in every step of the,

in every meaningful sense of the word, short of asking Congress to declare war. True. He wanted. He didn't have the support until. He wanted that war to happen. What's the one thing that pissed the American people off be the victim of a surprise attack?

True. All you got to do, all you got to do is use this thing up here. He knew we were reading the other gentleman's mail. But there's a big difference between probably and likely and what we're talking about here, pretty much certainly. That's the difference.

And the Japanese did attack us. As you've pointed out in our God conversations, it's not whether God knew. It's about the choice that was made. The Japanese made the choice to attack whether FDR knew it not under that logic, a second or two points. Well, I mean, you follow, you know, Professor Mearsheimer, so do I. Japan was a great power, is being strangled.

The embargo would have brought them down is either you be choked to death or you risk it all. And if a power is being faced, is facing its destruction, they will do incredibly irrational things because some chance is better than none. Well, just to be clear, though, Japan is not an innocent victim. They're not a lily. They were murderous, every bit as bad as the Nazis. Agreed.

When we make the argument that, why are you trading with Israel? We make that argument because you're committing a genocide. Why are you assisting them in the commission of a genocide? Well, why should the United States assist Japan in its murderous campaign in China? Listen, I'm brought there with you. But the point I'm trying to make is that there's no appetite after World War I. But after hundreds of thousands of Americans died for absolutely nothing, I guess they got a new song out of it.

And there was a big anti-war movement. Isolationism was very real. Mustard gas isn't going to use itself, dude. No, Lindberg, he was the one leading the movement. How could you galvanized American people? Because Roosevelt wanted that war. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not disagreeing with you.

Yeah, we're not disagreeing with you at all, Robbie. I'm not just going to hear it. All we're saying here, though, is like, this is the thing, right? If this was a court of law, FDR skates because there's reasonable doubt. Netanyahu doesn't, even though we know he did it. Nowhoo, like maybe FDR we get on the, like OJ, we get them on the civil case, right? Because we're based on a preponderance of the evidence. We nail him.

And we can sue them. Now, Netanyahu, we have dead to rights. Okay. I mean, and it's like, that's the part that, like, I mean, that makes a huge difference. And if you I wasn't a genocidal monster, who is that too? Yeah, it's really crazy. Yeah, it's like, by the way, Netanyahu is threatening to sue Ha, Arrette. Go for it.

By the way, do you think he's going to be prosecuted? Do you think he's going to be prosecuted for this? That's the other interesting question. When he loses the election, because this is going to be. He very well could be. Yeah. He's fighting for his political life. If he's out of office, he is effed.

Yeah. Because as you, the issues with the corruption. Well, there's the corruption thing, too. But the issue is what you point out. The Israelis were out there protesting. I think it was like millions. It's only a country of nine million people. Yeah, like a million people on the streets.

Not because of what they were doing to the Palestinians. They were fine with that. Their issue was, we want our people back. And you find out that, Not only could you have gotten those people back immediately, because that was the other story that came out, that basically Hamas was willing to make a deal immediately to exchange.

And Israel was like, no, they went to Anthony Blinkin. And Anthony Blink was like basically, Hamas made his own bed, now they're gonna lie. Basically, now they're gonna get murdered in mass, and we, the United States is gonna stand by and let that effectively happen. I guess my point is, if you're in Israeli, and you say, so A, you could have gotten the hostages back earlier.

B, you killed our people. C, you knew. knew this was going to happen. And you allowed it to happen. The C is the biggest one, really. And, okay, so we have a question here from And of Maraki. Did you guys listen to J.D. Vance groveling to some Jewish organization? How long are Jamar and Ted going to claim that the U.S. controls Israel? So, look, I think this, I want to be really clear here.

Okay. So I still, I mean, I know that the U.S. controls Israel because we have the purse strings, right if we cut them off they are no more and or they are in deep shit let's put it that way um it's like so they do now the relationship is kind of like let's say you're the emperor and you have a concubine well who's got the power in that relationship the emperor has the relationship the power because he's the emperor but does the concubine have influence yeah because she blows him and she whispers and his sweet nothings in his ear and she says and if she's like you know There's that one lady in waiting who, like, you'd be great if you got rid of her. And he's sweet on her, but who has the power?

She has influence, but he has the power. Does Netanyahu and Israel have influence in the United States? Obviously, A-PAC, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, and Netanyahu convincing, you know, Trump to go to war against Iran. Yeah. But the ultimate power dynamic is still the way. way I said, big, rich, powerful country, small, not rich, not powerless country. Ted, you're a student of history.

Who is it that typically has the power? The emperor or the people who install him? Well, he's in office. The power of the emperor does. Because you know, because Nikki Ford Focus, Nicky Ford's focus thought the exact same thing to his wife left his, a bedroom unlocked and his nephew went in and assassinated him. So that's the whole point is I'm trying to make.

It can always be brought down, of course. But that doesn't change what I just said about the emperor and his concubine, right? I mean, the emperor's been able power by definition. But if you don't use it, you don't know. But if you don't use that power, what good is it? But my point is it's not all one, it's not unidirectional, okay, but doesn't mean that it's also not true. It's like the U.S., I mean, the fact that the U.S. does shit that Israel wants,

does not mean that Israel is in charge of the relationship. And by the way, it doesn't necessarily mean that that's not what the United States wanted anyway. Yeah, more to the point. The U.S. is not going to take issue with... Israel's pushing under an open door in many cases. Yeah. Yeah. They're not going to take issue with them in the West Bank.

They're not going to take issue with them expanding into Syria. I mean, this is the greater Israel project. And from the U.S. standpoint, Israel is our dog. If that dog expands, it's better for the United States. All the better. Now we have a bigger dog. Now we have a bigger dog. And they're humping our leg and we do nothing.

about it. True. True. So, no, they're hopping your leg and my leg and tomorrow's leg. They're not humping. They're not humping Trump's leg and the people that they are. They are. Ted, they paid his legal bills for God's sake. They paid, they paid his legal bills, but I don't understand. Well, you're confirming my point. Now, I mean, Donald Trump brings pretty much agreement that Donald Trump is in. I mean, if you think about it, like in real estate deals, Donald Trump was, nefarious for either not paying bills or not paying people going in the bankruptcy, all of the stuff. I mean, he's been willing to break every deal that he's been able to make on the global stage. Why would this be something that he would care about?

Because I don't know. I don't really understand the leverage point. I don't know if they got something on him, meaning they got Trump fucking a kid. Maybe. I don't know if, you know, his time with Epstein, they got something back then. Who knows? But this is. I think it's because Trump is evil.

as dimin as he is, he's not, he's not a sociopath. I mean, I, I said, like, for example, he loves his kids. He loves his family. Soaping paths can love their kids. Well, can they? Because you can't show empathy. Are you capable of love? Well, a sociopath is a little bit different than the psychopath. Sociopaths gains psychopathic behavior based on the incentives that are provided in the society that they're in. Basically, um, I'm a kid. I'm using the wrong term. I'm growing up. Well, psychopath. We use the terms interchangeably. So I'm not, you know, making a big stink out of it. But I'm saying I can love my kids.

I can go home. I can love my kids. I can love my wife. People, when they're talking about me, they're saying, oh, he was such a great man. He was so nice. He was so kind. And I still do horrible things. It's called back in the 90s, right?

No, when serial killers are a big thing. Like, how many of them were married and had families of their own that would go home to every night and after they were doing? Like the BTK killer, yeah. So I guess that's my point about Trump is that he loves his family. So what's the leverage? if you don't do this, we'll destroy your kids. We'll kill your kids. Yeah.

We'll kill your job prospects. There's leverage, sure. So that's the point that I'm trying to make. I mean, the emperor has power if he chooses to use it. Just like the American people, we have technically on paper, we have the power if we exercise it. The problem is we don't. Presidents are the same way. They are owned by their donors.

The biggest ROI you can ever get is owning a politician. Because you own a politician. That's true. And also because politicians are cheap. I mean, like a $5,000 donation goes far. And so that's my point. If you own the politicians and if you own the, if you own the, if you own the, if you own the, if you own the cultures, it's like, you got to go kill those. Do you understand J.T. if we don't go fight those, those, uh, those Iranians over in, over in Kuwait, they're going to come to. They are going to be marching down Pennsylvania Boulevard tomorrow.

We've got to fight them. We've got to fight them. We've got to fight. them there or we'll have to fight them here. So who owns Hollywood? Who owns Hollywood? Who owns entertainment industry? Who owns the music industry? Who owns the porn industry? Who owns our politics? It's not you and me. It's Tel Aviv.

It's Tel Aviv. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if big porn is running the country. I think we'd be better off if they were. Well, but, Epstein, listen, Epstein is big porn. Let's not bring that up. Epstein's big porn. He didn't make videos. He just, I mean, well, he made videos, but it was for leverage. What porn are you talking about?

Well, it's the same thing, right? It's the sex industry as a whole, I guess, so as I'm trying to talk about. It is salacious. I mean, but it's been a porn star different than I never quite didn't say it's been a porn star is different than working at McDonald's or why? If it is. It's not. At the end of the day, though, McDonald's is American company.

It's not like only fans based out Tel Aviv. There's a difference. No, no, I get that. The exploitation relationship is exactly the same, though. I get it but think of what I just said though an emperor who does an emperor who refuses the closest fist has no power

true true guys let's talk about this is important and it's Jermaine and Robbie hang out if you want the the Trump administration decided to sit on his hands

about look look these are objectively very symbolic very minor sanctioned against sort of the most recent outposts in the West Bank. It doesn't change the overall equation over there in the West Bank where basically 60% of it is now occupied by Israel.

So I'm not, I don't want to overstate any of this. This is like a slap on the pinky, right? But it's still, the UK, which used to be a suck-up to Israel, has now led the charge with Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Ireland's always been on this case. Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain, and Sweden. It's a lot of countries to basically impose these sanctions. Netanyahu's government is furious about this.

And Trump basically decided not to make any phone calls and tell the Brits to cut the shit. That is a reflection of the fact that Trump is annoyed at the optics of what's going on in the West Bank. You know, it's not looking great for the U.S. Israeli relationship or his relationship with Israel. And it is kind of like making it look like Robbie's point of view that Israel is telling him what to do and that he's at Yahoo's bitch. But it's notable, right? I mean, it's worth noting to me this is just going to be one of those things like when the history of the collapsed U.S. Israeli relationship and the end of the Israeli state is written. which will not be that long from now. They're going to, this will be like one of those moments,

like, you know, the first time that a U.S. administration didn't rush to run interference for Israel. It's worth talking about. Obama did also. If you remember, just when Obama was leaving office, there was a U.N. resolution going through. Well, Kiyah, he didn't veto. And they were, you know, people were outreasoned. Like, oh, my God. And then, of course, liberals were like, oh, my God, look at how great a lot.

Obama is. He refused the veto. It's like he, it's like, are you serious? And I feel that way about this, right? I agree with you. It's, it's optical. But, but optics means something. Like the very fact that somebody feels that they need to do something, means something, whether what they do is substantial or not. I mean, this was true with the MOU, and I guess you can say this is true with this. But by the way, speaking of the MOU, uh, over in the strait of Hormuz, we have, we, we were talking just about 20 minutes ago. News broke that the Iranians have announced that they captured a sophisticated U.S. submarine drone.

Yeah, that was yesterday. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's right. I think they got another one though. No, I guess I agree with you. I guess my thing is, okay, you guys are putting sanctions on a bunch of lunatic troglodytes in the West Bank while the country is committing a genocide.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, you should be cutting off the Israelis. Well, you should probably threaten the Israelis with military force and tell them that. Or economic. I mean, or sanctions. I mean, Europe is Europe as a whole is Israel's largest trading partner. China is next. If you think of Europe as a singular block, if they wanted to say, no more goodies from us while you are murdering women and children in mass, they could do that. They decide we're going to wait for years into the genocide and we're going to go after West Bank settlers. Okay. And not and not one of them will go to jail. Not one of them will get a fine. They'll get a strongly ordered email, maybe miss out on getting a Christmas card this year. And that's it. I mean, that's like somebody being murdered.

This is theater. This is like somebody being murdered in the store. And the guy who's on the lookout, they grabbed that guy. And it's like, wait a minute. There's a murder taking place in the store. Yeah. Or the getaway driver. Or the getaway driver, right?

So you get him. You let the people actually doing the crime go, but you get the, you get to getaway driver and you take them. And you take them out, you don't take it to the police station. You take it down to City Hall. Okay, so you can't drive your car for four weeks. Right. Okay. Okay.

Okay. It's a dumb analogy, but that's what this is. It's optics. It's trying to make people think, oh, look at that. Yeah. But optics are still notable in diplomacy. I know, but it feels so silly in the context of the gravity of what Israel was doing. I mean, they're literally bombing the shadow of Lebanon right now.

They are destroying entire villages in southern Lebanon. And they've stolen like 70% of Gaza. Like, I'm trying to put this in context. You have people who are living in tents full of water and rats. That's their life. That's Israel's doing. And so it's like, okay, you're going after some lunatics in the West Bank when the government, the state, it's not just doing all of these other bad stuff that we were talking about, but they also has military there as the settlers commit their balance. We got one minute left.

Can you both of you guys, if you could, I mean, I have, it has crossed my mind. Is the focus on the West Bank now just a really cynical way to distract us from what already happened in Gaza so that that's, oh, well, that's in the rearview mirror. Nothing can be done about that, no accountability. Maybe in part. But I just feel like this is so shallow in the context of what they've been doing. I mean, the guy's been committing mass murder. It's like, we're going to get him with tax fraud. It's like, okay. No, don't commit tax fraud.

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