DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - GOP Running Scared of Trump’s War | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 28, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET.Today we discuss:• A growing number of Republicans scramble to disown the costly Iran war. Trump’s conflict has sent the prices of gasoline, diesel and heating oil upward, and cost increases have spilled across the economy. Mortgage rates have also climbed to 7%, squeezing the struggling housing market.• Trump rejects Iran’s recent proposal to end the war and reopen the Strait of Hormuz because the president thinks Washington has more to gain by waiting than by accepting Tehran’s terms at this moment. Tehran, meanwhile, also is no rush to cut a deal.• British police arrests 5 men on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism after receiving a call about 3 suspicious vehicles headed toward an air force base used by the American military, R.A.F. Fairford, to deploy some of its largest bombers.• Protesters outraged by the eviction of an 87-year-old woman camped overnight in Madrid's historic Puerta del Sol plaza, where more demonstrators — including multigenerational families — joined them for a second day of protests over Spain's housing crisis. Abascal issued a video recorded from her hospital bed after the eviction. Images of the eviction spread widely across Spain, fueling outrage and criticism of public authorities and real estate investment companies accused of pricing residents out of their homes. Critics often refer to such companies as "vulture funds."00:00 Iran, Britain, Spain, and a Black Hole Question 06:27 Trump Rejects Iran’s Deal to End the War 11:01 Gas Prices vs. Dead Civilians 24:53 Trump’s Taxpayer-Funded Ad 41:55 An Eviction in Madrid Sparks a Housing Uprising 1:01:53 Midterms: Republicans Try to Flee Trump’s War 1:15:40 H-1Bs, Nursing Shortages, and the College Cartel 1:36:36 The RAF Fairford Arrests and Federalizing CopsMERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

Good morning. Thanks for joining D. Program with Ted Rall and Jamarle Thomas. It's Monday, September 28, 2026. Good morning, J.T. This morning, we've got a bunch of great news to talk about. We go two full hours today Monday. We're here Monday through Friday, 9-211 on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. This is Monday, so we're here for two more hours. A growing number of Republicans are scrambling to disown the Iran War. Is it too late for them to save being savage? in the midterm elections? Probably, yeah. Trump rejects Iran's recent proposal to end the war. Basically wants to go back to the memorandum of understanding. What exactly is Trump thinking? We'll get into that. The British police have arrested five dudes on suspicion of preparing a terrorist act

against a huge Air Force base used by the U.S. military, RAF Fairford, in order to where some of the big bombers are deployed. And finally, last but not least, there's sort of an Occupy Spain kind of thing going on in Madrid, where protesters angry at the eviction of an 87-year-old woman are camped out now for several days in the Puerta del Sol Plaza, where tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people are furious about the housing crisis and inflation crisis in Spain. So that's always that's super interesting um how you doing tomorrow i'm doing okay i'm doing okay good um should we answer robbie question before after we can do it now let's get it out of the way robbie go ahead come on and ask your question not well because as you know i like to read i like to

study things so i've been studying uh over the weekend because i'm a nerd uh space astrophysics and space time with how it works with the theory of relativity And so what my question to JT is, and I can't think of a better person to ask, how is it that a black hole is able to capture light if light doesn't have mass because it's an energy? And the only thing I can figure is that if the black holes work the way that we think that they do, is that because they're so dense, they actually warp space time, and that's what captures the light. It's not necessarily the gravity. J.T., what do you think?

but it's space I'm being warped. So think of it like, so there's a few misnomer's. Light doesn't really travel. It travels from our perspective, but it doesn't exactly travel. Like the moment that light is emitted from the light's point of view, it's extinguished because there's no time that passes between the two things. And so there's this, there's an argument to be made that, like, for example, always travel on something. but light doesn't have a, there's no medium that we're aware of that it travels.

Well, it has photons. I mean, so my physics professor at Columbia, James Rainwater, is largely responsible for coming up with the idea of the photon. And he told me that he noticed it by going to take home Delhi on 115th in Broadway. And he noticed how, and we've all seen this phenomenon, where a bunch of the color posters for various, goods in the window, over time had faded to blue and white, even though they were all printed in four-color process, right? So they all originally had, you know, other colors. And he started to ask himself back in the 1950s, why would that be? And so then he said there must be particles. And we all know this thing. You know, if you leave something in direct sunlight,

let's say a painting or photo, it'll fade, right? And why does it fade? And why does it fade? if that won't happen if it's in a dark cabinet, it's because the light is hitting it. So what effect is having, it's, you know, the photons are interacting with the color in the photo. Right. Dyes in the photo. So photons, I mean, photons are particles.

They are. It's more complicated. I mean, light is not. The particle wave duality thing is a real thing. It's not like if you, like the double-solidic experiment where a photon comes out to be a wave and a particle dependent upon how you look at it. It's both. I mean, the reality of it is it's a wave. Light is a wave. And then the first thing they ask is, okay, well, what does the wave travel through? But there was no medium that light

is traveling through. The belief is that it's space itself that's being warped, meaning life only travels in a straight line. It's space that gets warped by this stuff. If you ask you what does not travel in a space in a straight line near a black hole. It war, it, it, it, it, it, it, Yes, it does. Light always travels in a straight line. It's space that's curved. Okay, so that's, that's like for a quantum physics convergent discursion. Well, that's relativity. I mean, but it's best that curve. Like when they're going, when they're looking at like refractions, stuff like that, they're looking at waves being curved around objects. So if you're looking at a black code, if you're looking at a neutron star and stuff like that,

you could see light coming from behind something that you shouldn't be able to see light from because it's being heard. Even the pictures of the black hole where you're seeing that light around it, that space being so warped that you're seeing what's behind the black hole in front of the black hole. But light itself is always going in a straight line. It's just space that gets hurt. Sorry, Robbie. We're not going to get this done in the first six minutes of deep program. Listen, that's a big question. Like I said, I'm a nerd.

And I've just been just studying this reading. And it might surprise people. I do read things other than the comic books. You don't even read comic books. All right. I read your comics. Don't lie on me. I've got your books.

That's true. You know, coming out soon. Don't you freaking lie on me, Ted. I know where you live. I know. I know you know where I live. All right.

It's like, you're on notice, Raw. I'm not on notice. You're on notice. That should be a T-shirt. Okay. So what do you want to talk about first? Do you want to talk about Republicans running scared? Trump rejects the deal.

Pardon? Trump rejects the deal. So basically, Trump, so last week we covered this on the show. The Iran revisited the memorandum of understanding and said, listen, if you guys want to adhere to that, you know, something you haven't wanted to do, we would be willing to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. We want our money back, the $12 billion or so. that you owe us.

And so basically Trump said, yeah, I reject that. He didn't get into really into why. He seemed to imply that he thought a deal would be achievable after the midterm elections. I will gladly pay you after election Tuesday for a deal today. I don't know if he's serious about that. This is a game of chicken in which both parties seem to be in no rush whatsoever. They both seem to think that time is on their side, as the Rolling Stone saying. But I don't think Trump is right about that.

And I think Iran is right. But anyway, what do you think? I agree with you. I don't think Trump is right about it. I think he's coming. I mean, there are a few things that's going into Trump's mind, right? Like, it's not just what is in the best interest of the U.S. It's also, this is humiliating if I pull out.

This is humiliating if I lose. This is, I don't like losers. And so I don't want, meaning that part of it is going. into it. But also, I suspect that people are telling Trump or showing him videos of things that he thinks that he has an advantage that I don't think he actually has. Iran went through years of war with Iraq. Iran went through years of sanctions with a maximum pressure campaign the first time around, in addition to sanctions that had been on the country for like decades, right? They didn't collapse. They didn't capitulate. And in the situation that they're in now where they're considering that's

I mean, Arragachi, I think people need to pay attention to what he said. He was like, we are prepared for the doomsday scenario. Basically, we are prepared for a doomsday war, which is a three-body thing. I think he probably read the book and got that term from it. But basically, we're prepared for existential war. I don't think they're in this mindset of capitulation and surrender in the way that Donald Trump is thinking about. I think they're looking at it as how much pressure can we put on the U.S. economy to make this hurt. And for the first time, it's a pain off, right?

I mean, so there's no question that both sides are inflicting economic pain on one another. No question about that. But, I mean, in my view, the Iranians, it's so interesting because theoretically speaking, the U.S. should have the advantage. It has the bigger economy. It has more international integration. It has bigger natural resources. It has a bigger military. And yet, it's also softer and flabier.

and its people are not hardened. The Iranians have been subjected to harsh sanctions, and not to mention proxy wars, starting in 1980, ever since the Islamic Revolution for 47 years ago. So for them, it's like, oh, more pain. Oh, okay, all right, I guess, whatever. Well, also, we've got the gas. For us, I mean, I just went and filled out my gas tank yesterday.

I did not go, you know how there's weird stations where it's like in the middle of Nevada, where it's $9. This was not one of those. This was a normal one. And it was $4.58 a gallon. And, you know, I took pictures of it, put it on my socials. So, I mean, it's only going to go up. It's going to get worse.

And the American people are just not, they're not going to be able to handle this once the average price is over five in most of the country. Well, here's the problem is that the cost of living here is so much higher. And we have a debt bomb on top of it. I mean, the consumer debt, we have people who are using credit cards. just the worst possible thing you could ever use with the 30% interest rates if you're lucky buying groceries just to just to survive it it's a sustenance tax forget about luxury items meanwhile winter is on its way there's no conversations at all that I'm seeing about how people in north are going to heat their homes this year that's the heating oil that's a thing

we don't have coal we don't have national problems in this country we have individual problems If you have a can't heat your house, that's tough shit for you. The country does not care about you. Neither political party cares about you. Guys, I want to ask you one thing before. I mean, like, I don't know if other countries think that way. France doesn't think that way, do they? No.

Like, these are just individual problems. If this is only you did. Yeah, I don't think they do. No, not at all. I mean, I mean, no, no, it's like, it's a given, even among the right-wing parties that, like, obviously we're all in it together and we have to take care of each other to some extent, right? We don't want people sleeping outside if we can avoid it.

Guys, before we continue, I mean, we obviously have to talk about the economic pain. But one thing that is really kind of maddening is the only real reason why the United States, by the people here seem to be so unhappy with Trump's war against Iran on behalf of Israel, is that it's affecting them in their pocketbooks. I mean, nobody's losing any sleep over the dead school children. Nobody cares about the fact that we started a war against a sovereign nation state that never meant or did us any harm, that we violated the Constitution in doing so. I mean, we don't care about the big issues.

Obviously, the big one is we killed people gratuitously. And we're still killing people gratuitously. And in Lebanon and so on, Lebanon's a big part of this for the Iranians. I mean, what is wrong with us? I mean, I feel like, you know, when you're president who you don't like, most Americans don't like him, goes and starts a war and kills a bunch of innocent people, including children, like, that should be something that pisses you up more than the price of diesel. Most of the burgers are lost to lose.

But see, this is my argument, apathy. Yeah, right? This is why I say there's... Or cruelty. It's why I make this argument that we are culpable. Like, I know you can make the case of, well, we're not responsible for the decisions of our leaders. I think we are. I mean, like, the point that you're making right now, the American public, their issue is, oh, my God, I got to pay more for gas.

Yeah. And it's like, but we are murdering people. Shouldn't it be a cost for the murder of a large number of people? Like, if you kill thousands of human beings in a war that is a criminal war of aggression against a country that did nothing to you. and is no threat to you. And then the complaint of the public is, God damn it, man, I can't believe I have to pay $4.55 gas. And by the way, may not even make the connection between we are murdering people and the price of gas or the price of energy or the price of items that we're paying for.

Okay, then you have to ask what is wrong with that population. Our military goes to it. Our tax dollars goes to it. Our hardware and equipment that was built in this country goes into this war. How are we not culpable? And that's where I come in with this kind of thing of like apathy, not caring about the number of people that you're killing, murdering, or creating mayhem for, whether that's in Cuba, whether that's in Venezuela, hell, whether that's even in Greenland. I mean, how are we different from the Israelis, right? I mean, I've been on here, we all have criticizing the Israeli public for being really deeply concerned about the hostages, but not about the Palestinians. you know, I mean, it's really the same thing, right? I mean, we just...

I mean, the slight difference is apathy versus intentional psychopathy. Like, meaning, if you ask to Israelis, is it okay with Israeli government and then Yahoo is doing to the Palestinians? They would say yes. And they would even say we need to be more aggressive on the West Bank, meaning we're okay with the killings in the West Bank. We're okay with the genocide. We're okay with that stuff.

At least in the U.S., we say we don't like it, even though we're not. go to do anything about it. Like, we, we moderately don't like it from a distance. It's that. That's the only difference. One is intentional want for harm. And the other one is, yeah, apathy. I mean, you tell me which one is worse. But I mean, but it is always about otherizing too, right? Like, we just don't really, you know, we'll hear about like, oh, like, the scandal is that the Pentagon has been covering out the number of U.S. casualties in the war. Right. You know, the amount of money that was spent. Or the amount that we're paying for gas. It's never about the killings.

No. And the thing is, I mean, and it's gratuitous, and I just can't get over that, right? Like, it's completely unnecessary. You know, I used to say this, you know, about the Vietnam War. It's like, you know, it's like, we never needed to be there. And like, everybody who argued about the, you know, the domino theory and communism spreading through Asia and all that. Okay, like, we didn't fight them there. They were going to come here.

It's like, okay, so we lost and none of that happened. Right. So clearly that was not true. I mean, demonstrably, quantifiably, it wasn't true. It's never true. They come over stuff to make arguments for the sake of justifying something. Like, oh, yeah, they have nukes. That's what now people are arguing about nukes as we go and kill people when really nukes was never an issue. There's a missile gap, but Johnny Kennedy, right? Oh, the missile gap. The missile gap. The missile gap. It's missile gap. That was never true. We knew it was never true. But again, use it for political expedience. we do that. Of course, the worst is there's no opposition, right? I mean, like, so there hasn't been a single major anti-Iran war protest at all. Not one has happened. The war has been going on for, you know, more than six months and still not one. So there's really no left. And then, you know, what, what is, it's so hard to even, like, for example, I was watching the Sunday morning talkies, right? And like the, they, you know, you get like, you know, Democrat, so-called Democrats, right? They go on and they say, well, okay, so Trump's war, gas prices, but they don't talk about the, and then they repeat a bunch of Republican talking points.

Iran must never be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. Well, how are you an opponent if you're just repeating these GOP talking points that are nonsense? I mean, that's part of what's frustrating is Democrats are going to benefit from Trump's mistake here, but they shouldn't. They don't deserve to because they're not, they're not, they're not, no better on this well i have a question and and i mean this sincerely why is it wrong for iran not to have a nuclear weapon when they're not a member of the nonproliferation treaty that they never signed it neither has israel but they are a member of the nonproliferation

that's what i mean they are they inherited it from the shah's regime and they decided to honor it when they took when the revolution came in because they didn't want nuclear weapons yeah that's what i said they're threatened to pull out of it like they're saying hey we'll pull out of it if they could have pulled out of it right oh i'll pull out of it now i've would have pulled out of it last week i mean i agree but i mean the point i guess the point i'm trying to i said it backwards and who is the u.s to decide who gets to have nuclear weapons i mean they signed the nonproliferation treaty israel never did israel's in direct violation of it and under american law

we're not supposed to give foreign aid to nations that violate that treaty no they didn't say it can't be violating a treaty if you never signed it i understand that but the States though by American law is forbidden to give foreign aid to a country has not signed it. Well, Israel has a violation of its issue. They haven't acknowledged that they had nukes, even though everybody knows it's a big secret. Even in um, uh, and the UN speech pointed out Israel has nooks. It's like the secret that everybody knows and nobody wants to say. Well, in the way, we even ignored our laws on starvation. Like meaning when our government came up and said Israel is starving the

Palestinians and Joe Biden squashed the report from coming out. That woman quit and came out and became a whistleblower basically pointing out saying, we're ignoring our own laws on this issue of starvation. We do it all the time. Yeah, but I guess that's my point is that if it's so wrong for Iran to develop nuclear weapons, why does Israel get a pass? By the way, it's not wrong. For the middle of course not. Listen, I mean, this right and wrong shit that the United States is coming up with his own context of things. We have no right to, we want your nukes. F off. What do you have to do with my nukes?

Do you ask you to look? So what? It's their right to do so. And to be honest, this war wouldn't be taking place if they had nukes. I think actually the balance of power would be in the Middle East would be far more stable. I mean, we're the good guys, right? But we killed over a million Iraqis for no reason at all. We destroyed Libya. God knows how many people died there.

and to this day you can go you can go buy yourself a brand spakey new african for like 200 bucks yeah i mean think about that i think it's a little bit more no dude with inflation guys oh you think it was like maybe 230 maybe 20 like 250 you know how much you think it costs you get vaccinated slave like the full boat that's more it depends on your politics right i mean that might that might be that might be less valuable yeah yeah it's insane yeah it is it is it's saying like we this the argument that takes place that I've seen around this conversation about the war is infuriating because they start sometimes with the premise of well should the the u.s is trying

to get their nukes and they're starting at the premise of the war when really the premise that should start with is the u.s. has no right to sell any country that's a sovereign nation what it should it shouldn't do or what it should it shouldn't have and this is about issues of power it's not about right or wrong. And like, it's amazing to me that they would go with this idea that we're the good guys. And yet we're murdering people in a country that we have no right to be in. And we have no right to their nukes. We have no right to anything in Iran any bit more than they have any right to. Like the idea that Iran says, we don't like the U.S. having nukes. So we're going to go to war with the U.S. to take away their nukes. Okay, this will be nonsense on

his face. Yeah, but we just laugh. Yeah, we just laugh. Oh, that's funny. It's cute. that you guys think that. But again, that's not the way it is in the opposite direction. It's outrageous. No, totally. But now, I think Trump's got this wrong. I think we're all going to suffer as a result of this. And they're prepared to suffer to make us suffer, considering we're the one that started the war. Yeah, how does this play out, right? Obviously, prices continue to go up. The economy starts, you know, it starts to break down more and more. Supply chains start to break down, you know, as the trucking system starts to slow down and and coagulate. Okay, so by then, you know, I mean, the election's coming up and just, you know, blink and I,

it's going to be, it's right around the corner. Is it? Democrats are going to lose. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think, I think you're going to, I think what's going to happen. I don't know. Well, Republicans are calling for it, by the way.

Well, listen, I hope that I'm wrong. I've been hoping I've been wrong on the last several shows we've had. But if things start falling apart, people start going hungry, what happens in New York, Ted? If there's a city, what, 9, 2 million people? And you're unable to stock grocery stores because trucks aren't moving because the infrastructure has fallen down. There'll be civil disorder, of course.

And then they're going to say, well, you obviously cannot have elections in this kind of environment. And they're going to blame on the Iranians, radiant sleeper sales, those rascally Democrats, and then there's right wingerers like me. And so you're used as a Linsky model. It's the best democracy that you can have because it's incredibly stable. You just suspend the election.

By the way, it's not entirely unprecedented, right? People forget there was an election on September 11th, 2001. It was a Democratic primary in New York City for the mayoralty. Mark Green, you have forgotten his name. He would be the mayor of the city of New York, would have been elected mayor, except for the fact that the attacks happened, the polls closed.

They held the election later. And obviously the world had changed and so had New York City politics. And outgoing mayor Rudy Giuliani, you know, endorsed and coronated Michael Bloomberg, who never would have won if those attacks hadn't happened in this camp and that. And it's really kind of too bad because Mark Green was kind of awesome and would have been a great mayor. But like, yeah, so it has, it can happen. You know, it has happened. Listen, if I was a bet man, I'm not, but if I was going to put down a bet, I would say it's a 60-40 chance that Trump suspends the elections.

It depends on how to... I think it's likely he'll cancel them after the fact. Just because temperamentally and psychologically, that's more his way. He's the kind of like the college student who pulls the all-nighter trying to grind out studying for the final that he never showed up to class for all the night before. He's a ditherer. Well, this is the six show of the difference. Either way, the elections are going to either either they're validated or yes, it'll ever happen.

Yeah, I think they'll be invalid. I don't know what there's a chance they'll be invalidated. See, I don't know what the world looks like after that. No, no, nobody does. I suspect what we will not get are giant protests because we just don't do that, apparently. That's for the Spaniards. We wouldn't get protests on that. Not sustained.

It would be on Saturdays when it's convenient for people, you know. I don't know. Weather allowing, if it's a little too drizzly, we can't do it. Make sure the peace police comes out and don't let it become too spicy. I think elections are different. I could be wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. All right, let's do some questions.

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Kilroy, anyone else seen Nancy Mace's cat suit video over under, over under on her dropping and on only fans or only fans adjacent SFW page? Really? I have not seen. Nancy Mace is attractive. Oh, yeah, no, she's not, she's not ugly at all. No. Albeit in a, you know how people have a face that's often out of a certain decade? She has a very, like, 70s face.

But it works. Oh, for sure. Yeah, totally. And she knows it, which is probably why she got the Katsu video. Yeah, indeed. Andre. Ted, thoughts on France, saying they're going to join the Saudi Yemen War, L.O.L. Yeah, I mean, you know, assholes.

You guys are going to help. Yeah, it's not good, not good. The mighty French military. Daniel, we never talked about dead Iraqis during the Iraq War, only left. media and the Ron Paul talked about it and just and barely even no well no to talk about the French I mean they have not yet surrendered to Yemen so we're gonna get out of the way the French do there listen they lost the Haitians they lost the Mexicans the Germans bitch stop it like every 30 years they go forget the Vietnamese yeah I mean the France is

incredibly good at making Chris on surrendering my grandfather said had a French rifle never never fired only drop once yeah yeah yeah all right Phileas Fav, the lessons from big tobacco, big oil, big pharma, etc. If you want to commit a crime, make it too big to prosecute and thanks for the dollar. France, Manchild, France gave them the nukes, and now France is looking to expand its nuclear footprint in Europe. Matina, I got to tell you guys about Ambassador Guilfoyle. She told the Greek ministers that the U.S. took down Romania and the U.S. can take down Greece too. Yikes. That was in March.

So hopefully she has calmed down. Well, I got a clip for that. Yeah. Apparently they were having, or they put it in a newspaper, I think. What they mentioned. Oh, speaking of clips, Robbie, I put in the chat, this, you probably know about this. This ad about the Trump put out, can you put it out? Final Battle? This is a taxpayer ad, right?

Is this one of those taxpayer funny? Yes. So this is what we're so yeah, Donald Trump is is releasing basically Trump propaganda ads paid for by the United States taxpayer by his own account funded by the U.S. government. And so we'll go ahead and play that now. And by the way, this ad as some media outlets have found is pretty much almost identical to one of his 2024 campaign ads. So this is this is they claim that by the way this is a public. service announcement. So here you go. Are you three? I swear to God. This is the final battle. With you at my side, we will demolish the deep...

Spell the war mongers from our government. We will drop... Globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxist and fascists. We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. We will rout the fake news media, and we will liberate America from these villains. And for all.

To put you in mind of the Bill Clinton thing, when Bill Clinton was giving the speech, I think it was, oh, what was it? It was Al Gore. Oh, that's what it was, a Democratic speech where Al Gore was run for president. And the night that Bill Clinton was set to give the speech, Bill Clinton did exactly that.

And people were like, Bill Clinton looked like a rock star. Because Bill Clinton, he was walking out. He was like giving high fives. shaking hands and everything else. Bill Clinton had like a 70-something percent approval rating. It just come through an impeachment. And he goes and gives the speech and then like, oh my God, it looks like a rock star in the way that he was walking to the thing. That's what it puts me in mind of. It doesn't have the same gravitas though. And it doesn't have the same. I mean, this is a president with like a 30% approval rating. Right. Well, and also it's not a PSA.

Okay. Like a PSA is like, you know, hey, go get go get tested for breast cancer. A The PSA is, hey, give a hoot, don't pollute. That's a PSA. This is a campaign act. And Trump is not even on the, and this goes back to my entire premise. Trump is on the ballot, even though he's not on the ballot. I think I kind of went to a very Jamaral Thomas place when I saw this. I was like, this reeks of, like he knows it's illegal. He knows it's wrong. And it really wreaks of distraction. right? Like this is like, you know, right now, you know, everybody's giving me shit over the Iran war. The economy is going to hell. The Republicans are going to get destroyed in the midterms.

So let me do something to sort of say, look, shiny object, you know, like in The Simpsons, look, Bart's doing stuff, right? It's that, right? I mean, that's what this is. I mean, do you think he even thinks about the fact that it's illegal? Like, I'm not even sure it crosses his mind. Oh, I think he'd normally, I would say you're right. In this case, I think it's a feature, not a bug. I think he knows it's illegal. And like he knows that like, oh, let's, this is a troll. This is like, let's make the Democrats, you know, chase this like, look, squirrel. Like, you know, let's like, let's make them chase this squirrel. You know, they'll, you know, they'll get distracted. While they're talking about my ad, which that will then prompt people to go look at my ad, you know, they're not talking about the shit that's really going titsy. out. Well, I mean, shorter of the Iran war, I'm not sure what the Democrats are actually talking about. I mean, in fact, I don't know what either of them are talking about. Donald Trump, this ad just doesn't work. Well, there's that too. It's a terrible ad. It's terrible ad. Like, if you're talking about, what, 2014 or 20, what is it, 2018, 2020, when Donald Trump, I'm sorry, 2012, is it 2012? When Donald Trump first ran, his first term, that ad works then.

because nobody knows Trump is up. We don't know what's coming. We don't know what's coming. He's an outsider, right? Now, that doesn't work. No, I mean, like, you can't have an ad like this. The only thing, honestly, if I was a Republican strategist,

I would say the only way, the only ads you can run now are ads that purport to reveal accomplishments that most American voters may not be aware of. If you have those. And that's what you've got to do. You'd be like, like, you didn't know, but the price of cost.

is down 6% like America save for cod again right like it's got to be stuff like that like you know your stakes too pricey think about cod you know

it can't be stuff that you claim that you were going to do your first term also a bunch of vague airy shit like we're going to go after the regular the radical lunatics and the socialists and the communists all this stuff that's like completely made up out of whole cloth

and doesn't mean anything Listen, he does have one big accomplishment. Now, I shared this with y'all on the chat. The price of Brent, the price index for crude, over on Brent Crude, which is what impacts our fuel costs here in the United States, is up 1.72% over the last 30 minutes or so. It's now $106 per barrel. Well, let's not hope that continues at this rate. That is an amazing accomplishment. We're fucked.

Listen. Ted, those oil companies, those executives, their profits simply are not high enough. And this is the problem. Radical leftists like you and JT. Think of these people actually that you don't understand the sacrifices people are making. You should be thankful that we have these intrepid entrepreneurs who are willing to go out and do the hard work that other people won't do. I mean, listen, these prices are not going to raise themselves.

You should be thinking. Oh, I think of the point. Like Donald Trump has historically increased oil prices to a historic degree. That's his accomplishment. 100% well also have you all seen all the stock purchases that he's been doing this year yes oh i mean seriously i mean you'd be a fool if you have any spare money not to put it all into energy stocks i mean i mean i'm telling you forget about the pelosi tracker you have the trump tracker right now for your stock portfolio yeah oh so we do on the trump i mean he's been making all sorts of things and you

by the way they ask i think they asked jd vans this like how on earth can you talk about corruption when you your president is making all of these stock bybacks and vans of course oh this is nonsense there's nothing illegal blah blah blah blah don't believe your line eyes it's vans is i mean yeah i mean it's i mean look it's going to be vance obviously can't come out against his own sitting president i mean it's ridiculous to assume to even suggest that he could um but he's doesn't that damage him though i mean every bit as much as the damage camala hers no i mean i think that's that is the question right i mean Look, I think he's definitely a more appealing, and I'm not saying, I would never vote for him.

I think he's a more appealing candidate in sort of in the abstract than Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris always presented as she was having too much of a good time while the country was burning down. J.D. Vance doesn't look like, you know, the joy, I'm bringing joy. Oh, right. We're not in the mood for joy. we're like, you know, we're knee-deep in genocide and like, and disintegration and de-industrialization. Like, no, thank you. Like, we're up to our neck.

I think she took up from Obama. The hope thing. She was looking for something like hope. And so she came up with joy. Right. But joy is like sort of a, it's about her. It's not about us. Right.

This is like what went wrong with Hillary Clinton with her buttons that said, I'm with her. It's like, no, she's supposed to be for us. We're not supposed to be for her. Elections are about the people. They're never about the candidate. And, you know, I mean, that's kind of like where Donald Trump is going wrong now. I'm about the candidate. Trump was about the candidate.

But it's hope and change, right? Like, sort of like where it's hope. What's the hope for? I mean, the change, so it's clever, right? Because it's the hope is you, I'm giving you hope. But to get that hope realized, we're going to have to affect this change and I'm the change. Because, look, I even look different. Right.

So that, I mean, it was. obviously clever marketing, although it's also interesting that they didn't come up with it themselves, right? It was a private, it was Shepard Ferry, the artist who came up with it, and then they decided to appropriate it. Yeah, and it worked. It did work. It did work. It was about Trump. Also, that's also the kind of trick. It's also the kind of trick you can't do too often in a row, right? Like, you can promise people hope and change, you know, and then if you don't like he didn't deliver so it's like now you can't do that but but listen he is delivering look at those oil prices he is delivering to the people that matter to him he is delivering to his

donors which i agree with that's true when they're making those speeches about um i deliver for the american people this is the greatest economy ever etc etc he's talking about the people yeah i agree rob he's talking about it's not our economy it's their economy it's there well well the dude is out there on video saying, I do not want the price of housing to go down. I don't want people to get poor. It's because he's looking at housing as an asset, not something that people need. He's looking. Well, I mean, declining housing prices are a problem economically in a capitalist system, right? I mean, obviously, especially in a country where you can't, like ordinary, like middle class people, the only way they can build wealth is if they buy a house and it increases in value.

They certainly can't put it in the bank. The bank is going to give them, like 1% interest, maybe. That's why the kids are for socialism now by the tone of like 60%. But that's just the thing, though, Ted. You realize the shit is not fair. I'm like, who are the 40%? The house is an increasing value, though. That's the problem.

What's happening is that the money that's in the house is worth less. It's not that it's worth more. The house is worth the same. The purchasing power of every dollar is going down. That's where you need to have more dollars in circulation. But it's a, you know, you're not getting richer. Sure, but if you look, even if you have inflation, which we obviously we do, we always have

inflation. We have an inflationary monetary policy. We do not ever want zero inflation in this system, right? By the ways, I'm not saying this is the system I want. I'm just saying it's the system we have. We need deflation by a massive scale. Deflation will crash the economy. It's crashing anyway. Then we get communism. Seriously, it's crashing anyway. So what's the point? What's the point if you can't have, look, we haven't, Robbie, we have a consumer-based economy. Two-thirds of all economic activity is based on consumerism, right? So the thing is, with deflation, there's no incentive to buy anything now because it's only going to get cheaper in the future.

So nobody buys anything. So then what happens is stores and factories go under, and then people who work at those stores and factories lose their job. What factors? And then people, okay, whatever. What about are you talking about? The point is that the people who work truckers. Everyone loses their jobs and then you end up with the Great Depression. Do the hell cares about a lower cost of living?

Only a communist because, oh my God. If you're able to enforce the law. This is under the system we have. This is the model we have. This is insane. Okay. It might be. It's in, I agree with you.

It's in, look, we have a system where if we don't have two to three percent increase annually in GDP, the system starts to fall apart. Well, I mean, obviously, you can't keep building and growing all the time forever. It's unsustainable, obviously. That's where you need deflation. You're extracting wealth from Mother Earth. It's just like she only has so much to give. I mean, seriously, what's the point of prices going up where profits keep going up for a very select few,

while more and more and more people are losing their houses and don't have the ability to pay their bills or even be able to go out to a restaurant. Those businesses are going to close anyway. When the price of diesel gets up to $7 or $8 a gallon, who the hell is going to be going to Buffalo Wild Wings? The answer is nobody. Yeah. No, that's true, by the way.

The gas is only going to go up so high because people aren't going to be able to afford so much. Yeah, that is true. And at a certain point, then you'll have a collapse in demand. Yes. In which case, you should get deflation, which then will fix that problem. Deflation will create other problems, which will ultimately lead to socialist takeover and then Ted Rawls' victory. So, yeah. Well, then you should be team rugby on this.

Like, how do people get houses if houses are going to go up in value? Meaning, if I'm 20 or 30, it's impossible. That's one of the big problems here, right? I mean. Yeah. And they pointed that out to Trump. And that's when Trump was like, well, I don't want, what do you say, lazy people to get houses or something you Look, I think the idea of housing as a primary investment strategy is insane. You know, housing should just be, housing should be primarily a roof over your head, not an investment. And I would rather, if you want to have people invest in things, they should be investing in up-and-coming new companies. And savings accounts should pay a nice respectable 10% interest, you know, because banks can easily afford it. Those banks that are paying three quarters of one point of percent,

in interest. They're charging 30% on credit cards, right? So they could easily pay 10% or 15% interest. And they're choosing not to because, you know, we don't care because we don't agitate. We have, we still have, we're still in our first hour, but we have a bunch more to talk about. I would love to talk about this situation in Spain. Yes. Yes. The house, the homeless thing where they're sitting in for homelessness. Oh, I saw that. I love that. So this lady, I was like, she's, This is, yeah, they care, right? But it's always interesting because what it shows is that there are situations where one minor incident sparks a major uprising.

We've seen that in history over hundreds of years. So what happened here is an 87-year-old lady, I forget her first name, but her last name is Abascal. She was paying 500 years. She's obviously a retiree. She's 87 and very, you know, medically frail. she was paying 500 euros a month rent. Then an investment company bought her building in Madrid and raised her rent to 2650,

$2,650 euros, which obviously she couldn't afford on her fixed income. And so they then agreed to, she complained, they dropped it to $1,850 a month. Still, I mean, more than tripled. She couldn't afford it, so she stopped paying, and they evicted her. The video of her being removed in a hospital gurney from her apartment went viral in Spain over the weekend. And maybe hundreds of thousands of Spaniards took to the streets, and they took over, and they're occupying Puerto del Sol Plaza in downtown Madrid. And that's a kind of like a shades of Tahrir Square, you know, kind of thing.

I don't know if it'll last or not as the work week begins. That's always seriously, sadly and ridiculously a problem in capitalist countries where people are like, oh, fuck, I have to get back to work. Protest day is over. But I hope it lasts. And they got three hours of yester. That's true. That's true.

But maybe call in sick or whatever. But the Spanish are, they're up in arms over this. They have the same problems that the rest of us have with, they're blaming vulture funds, which are these like investment funds that are scooping up buildings. Obviously, there's no rent control in her building. And actually, Spain has like one of the lowest rates of rent control or stabilization in all of Europe.

And so, you know, without the social guarantees, people are being tossed out on the streets and a certain point, enough is enough. I mean, it's kind of like when people say, well, when are, this is like, will there be a revolution? I mean, it's going to be something like this, right? Yeah, something that sparks it off. I mean, Occupy Wall Street was similar to the, I'm sorry, yellow vests is what came to mind. And Occupy came to mind too, because some of them were sleeping out there, like, meaning having their tents and everything else in occupying the square.

I guess the question, as you pointed out, how long were they occupied a square over this and will it gain any kind of political, repercussions from it. I mean, the thing is, the Yellow Vest movement actually did get political concessions. I mean, they were out there for like a year and a half. They got like 70 to 80% of the public to agree with them on it. And Macron did have to give them political concessions in order to lessen the impact of the sit-in. I guess the question is, how much does this have legs? Yeah.

Because that's the question. Their reasoning is right. that in God's good. Oh, for sure. I mean, and it is disgusting. It is always kind of fascinating. I mean, you know this kind of shit's been going on day after day, year after year, and I'm sure there are even more heartbreaking scenes that somehow just didn't catch,

you know, weren't videotaped or were videotaped and just didn't make it. And it's always kind of like, you know, as a student of history, you have to always ask yourself, like, why this and not these other things? Why is just the lightning rot? I don't know. This goes to the, like, Chris, Hedges makes this point of, like, the point of doing good is the good

and the hope that the good follows the fact that you've done good. And it's not that you know, right? Right. People do things all the time that don't necessarily gain credibility, gain credit, the media is not there to watch it, et cetera, and they just go by the radar. And as you point out, a random event,

meaning that woman's saying, I'm not paying you. I'm staying in my house. You're going to have to take you. me out of my house. It's kind of like a sub of Greenland, right? Like if Trump wants Greenland, make up take it. And same thing here. If you want this house, you're going to have to take it. You're going to have to drag me out in a gurney if necessary. And they did. Yeah, and they did. But the fact that they did is the thing that became a light and right in and of itself. Meaning the fact that she stood up for herself is the thing that became light and right.

And then taking out a woman that is literally on her death bit. It's so, it's just, so disgusting. It's good. It's foul. Yeah. I mean, at a certain point, you know, like, I always wonder, like, okay, so that company that owns her building, it has a CEO or, you know, you know, they're like, they see this, oh, this is going viral. I'm sure someone inside the company brought this to the boss and said, hey, listen, we've got, we got a situation on Instagram, right? And like, they're like, keep going. Yeah, stay the course. It's good.

That's the part that fascinates me instead of like, you know what? Maybe put the brakes on this right now. We can throw the, we can throw the bitch out when she's 89, right? But it's too late. Everybody knows. Yeah, but people forget. I know, but even if the CEO says, okay, okay, take her back in. And they take her back in a gurney.

Oh, well, too late now. No, I'm saying before the eviction. I'm saying, yeah. Oh, you're right. You're right. Yeah, she just apologized and said, oh, we didn't know, we're sorry, blah, blah, blah. Didn't know what? Didn't know they were evicted or didn't know they were increasing the cost for $2,800 or whatever

that number is going to be. He knew all that stuff. They thought she was grifting on that, like, sweet, sweet retirement cash. Who was she to take advantage of this poor, innocent investment fund? I mean, at the point where they take her out, it's too late, the video is gone viral. So they're asking, the demand is interesting. they're asking for leases in perpetuity. But obviously that's counter to capitalism, right?

A lease in perpetuity is called communism. Yeah. Yeah, that's rent freeze. Yeah. Basically, I mean, basically, the actual rent freeze. Like, hey, the rents are too high. Well, I mean, I don't, honestly, I can't even understand why there's any country where a landlord's allowed to increase the rent faster than the rate of inflation.

By the way, we, they did that in, Merlin. We were in the place, I think we're paying, 20, I think we're paying $2,000 or something like that. And they increased the rent by like 20% on a win. Oh, you know, you're, you're, you're, that was my experience, right? So in Manhattan, um, I moved into my apartment on the, uh, in Manhattan, I had about, so it was, I was paying $3,300 a month. Um, and they just kept increasing. increasing it like really quick. And by the time I left that apartment, they wanted 5,300 a month. And what's so hilarious is like, so I broke my lease like mid, you know, mid mid year, right? And they wanted to charge me like tens of thousands of dollars to break my lease and all that. And I was like, I was like looked at I looked up the law. And apparently they have to make a good faith effort to find someone else. They can't just like charge. you but they're trying to break the law because they're landlords and landlords are scum and so anyway

they they so they were like lying like oh we can't find anyone then i saw like on uh you know corkron or whatever like oh there's my apartment and they're asking 5700 and they got it they got some fucking poor sucker to pay 5700 for my two-bedroom apartment not in a luxury building not in a luxury neighborhood at all wow Oh. So. Yeah. I mean, it's just insane. I mean, seriously, I would, I would, if they were, if they were, if they were cooking those people like Joan of Arc, I would bring marshmallows. By the way, the, um, this is the issue in Portugal also. It's an issue in a few European cities. Like where like Airbnb, what is it, verbal, some of these other things that buy up things for people rent, stuff like that. Where they've been increasing the price of it, um, because these were low price locations. Like, like, Like Portugal wasn't an expensive location to go in rent wise, food wise, or anything else. But the prices have been going up, which has been detrimental to the people who live in those

locations. And that woman is probably a victim of that too. Like they look at and say, hey, I can rent this place $3,000, meaning for people who are coming from out of the country or something like that. But if I rent it, like for example, if I was in, it costs more for me to rent than it does for me. That sounds weird. more for me to rent as a vacationer than it does for somebody to just rent for like the year.

Like, meaning, if I live in Portugal or Spain and I decide to rent a place for a year, okay, maybe 1,200 a month, it may be less, maybe 800 a month. If I am renting like Airbnb, the number goes like 1,000, 2,000, etc. Like even here in the States, like if I'm renting an apartment here at, oh, what was the name of that place? What was the name of that place? about $2,200 a month if you were renting, let's say, month by month by month. If you rent, it might be $1,600 if you just rent it for the year. Like meaning, they're paying more for that and everybody's prices are going up by.

I know the explanation was not good. I apologize. But basically, everybody's rent is going up as a result of like the Airbnbs, the verbos, and these type of businesses that are in play. No, it's crazy because last year, we've, my family and I, we were renting a house here in Calistmill. And the landlord early last year said, oh, by the way, we're going to increase the cost of your rent by $700 a month.

That's insane. And they just start giggling. I'm going to assume that you can't afford that. I said, no, I can't afford that. I said, that's good because I have a family from California who will be coming in. So I need you out on your day, on the last day. So it's not just people coming in from from outside the country. It's people who are fleeing, who are fleeing the coasts who are coming to.

In this case, is a family that went to Texas from California. The Texas is too hot. They didn't like it. Just too flat, too hot. So now they're coming up here to Montana. So that way they can just be here. And so for the, so for the same price I was paying for a house. house that with a big yard is a gorgeous house. We downsize to an apartment, Ted, you've been here,

that is made out of a shipping container. I kid you not. It's true. It's the same cost. And that is indicative of the housing crisis that the people in this country are facing. And that's why I keep saying is that the government wants the American population to be a population of renters and not own. Because if you have, if you don't own it, you're not invested in it. You're less likely to defend something you do not own versus something that you do. That's the only reason John Smith made Jamestown work. He made where people actually able to own property.

They were then willing to work it. They belong to the king. It was yours. There was something that you own, something you're able to pass down. They don't want that anymore. And as that happens, well, they don't want us to own anything, right? I mean, you don't want to, like young people. if they have a car, they lease a car.

Otherwise, they take a lift or an Uber. They're leasing equipment. There's no property ownership anymore, right? So it's like, it's like we're all disposable. Like you work remotely. It's so easy to fire you. There's no office for you to come into and shoot up and going postal. They just literally just turn off your password and you're bye.

I don't, I mean, I think, I got to be honest with you. I think it's just mechanics. I don't like, meaning I think they're apathetic. I think the mechanics that the system works this way. Like, it's, I can make more money off of you if you don't own and if you just continuously rent. I can continue to own it. You continue to rent it. The same thing is true for Uber's, right?

The same thing is true for houses or apartments. The same thing is true across the board. I make more money off of you if I can leach. off of you over the course of time. Meaning that's more of a mechanics issue. That's like if you were thinking about it. Yeah, I don't think it's a master plan. I think it's like, I mean, that's the thing.

It's systemic. This doesn't mean that there's a cadre of a, you know, conspiratorial, you know, Rothschilds figuring it all out. I think the mechanics of it drives particular behavior. And part of the behavior is how do we maximize our profit. Oh, I know, like getting people to rent as opposed to having people to own. Yeah, as people do what BlackRock does on a smaller

scale there's no difference what they call it or it's like scooping up neighborhoods like in newark new jersey historically black home ownership neighborhood and and then you know basically turning all of the buying these homes and then turning them into rental properties at exorbitant rents what the real question is going to be is that what's going to happen no you know you mentioned Uber a lot of people are no longer doing Uber because the cost of gas is so high they're not making any money doing Uber it costs them to go to work mm-hmm yeah At this point, just trapped in the house or trapped in my apartment. This morning, there was a piece on local NPR in New York City where they were talking about all the cab drivers who have been committing suicide because they can't afford their medallions in New York City.

You have to own a medallion in order to have a yellow cab. The prices went way up. And then Uber and Lyft came in and destroyed the yellow taxi business. but and so the price of the medallions went down but you still owe the debt on it and you're you can drive 60 hours a day and you're still never going to be able to pay off that debt so wow that was the issue in kenya too i remember when i was talking to one of the uber drivers and he was pointing out how i think he said the king or the president had a deal with uber that effectively screwed over the uber drivers in regards to the amount they get paid and how they have this deal where you drive the taxi for X amount of time and you'll be able to get the car that you're using for it like they would supply a car but you have to pay for the car back and it costs a certain amount like it was like all of these deals and everything else that they had associated with Uber and Kenya. No, that's that's a shame because the reason they're committing suicide is they can't see a way up. They look at and say we can't force this. We're broke. We are et cetera. And it's for financial.

reasons predominantly. That's and they're probably some of them are made to feel ashamed even though it's not none of this is their fault right it's like no because again it's individual right it's on you individual has failed not a system has failed me it's me I did this I failed I yeah I screwed up right so I'm very interested to see what happens we'll we'll continue to watch this story and and bring you up to date so we're coming into the second hour here of D program we're going to be going until 11 o'clock Eastern. Thanks everyone for joining us.

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in order to help Robbie out. Find a very lengthy playlist. And you don't have to. You can stick around and look at it, but you don't have to just so that it runs. It'll help Robbie out. And it's the end of the month. So he's kind of like a cop who needs to write speeding tickets. He just, he needs to get those numbers up before the end of the month. And so, and we've got among other things to talk about the Republicans who are running scared in the midterm elections.

And also the British police. who claimed to have possibly disrupted a terrorist plot against an airbase in Great Britain. All right. It's just kind of claim Iran had something to do with. Of course. So where shall we go? Let's see. I think we have a few comments here.

Okay. Really quick. The answer, Robbie, is space is curved and contorted. And so, like, moving through space gets also contorted into the black hole itself. It's not that. Okay, that's the answer. Okay. I'm sorry.

All right. All right. That's a carryover from 59 minutes ago. All right. Maybe Bluth Funk, Bakunin, about communism. Being beaten with a stick doesn't feel any better when it's called the people's stick. No, it does not. Deflation is.

Like, basically, you're creating a workers state that's also dominating workers. P. Walker says deflation is what the, elites are terrified of. It's the only thing that terrifies them, I bet. Yeah, because all of their investments would suddenly be worth nothing. Yeah, they're left with slowly. Philip Blair. Oh my God. That hurts my heart. That hurts my heart so much. Jeff Bezos won't be worth billions and billions. I'd be worth millions. Poor God. Only billions, only billions, not billions and billions. Philip Blair, I support life imprisonment for people who corrupt the housing market, just like in people's, in people's China. So, I, uh, I, uh, uh,

John D. Cackelfeller, I find the French to be pretty lame broadly, but French farmers blasting government buildings with cow shit is top-tier hilarity. Atlantis, not sure if you guys saw, but on Twitter there was a survey going around that would chart political beliefs based on how one answered questions and gave historical camps and figures based on the answers. I did see it. But you and I took a test. We did.

It was not the same one, though, right? Yeah, it was a different way. Because I think the new one is like, who do you line up with as a political character as a political person. Like, are you Xi Jinping? Are you Putin? Are you Trump? Right. You know. Well, Robbie is Kim Jong-un. I'm not even kidding. Not even kidding. That's literally what happened there. So, okay, so what do you want to talk about, Jamar? Shall we do the Republicans running scared in the midter? Yeah, the Republicans running scared is funny to me. I mean, me too. Donald Trump putting that video out. I kept making the argument that, that,

Trump is on the ballot. He is too ubiquitous to not be on the ballot. And the Republicans that effectively lined up to back any and everything that Donald Trump is there because they were terrified of Trump. Okay, now is judgment day because he is so ubiquitous. And now he's coming out with campaign ads. And he's having stupid halfway political events that is supposed to be a what did it call those, a campaign event that usually takes place during, presidential elections, but Donald Trump decided to have one during the midterms, which is, you know, a little bit different and is ultimately not going to matter. He's on the ballot. You can't run from him. He even says it. He says he's at the rally, right? He's like, you know,

I'm on the ballot. Tell everyone I'm on the ballot. And he is. And he is. I mean, he's not wrong. I mean, okay, so there's a bunch of stuff to unpack here. First of all, a lot of the Republican candidates who are now saying they want the war to come to an end. Of course, just like the Democrats, they have no concern whatsoever for the Iranians were murdering with abandon for no good reason. But they're worried about prices and everything. It's, I mean, I guess they got permission from the RNC to break loose and get themselves a little wiggle room if they're like in a swing district.

You know, please let us criticize the war, not the president. It's like, okay, you can do that a little bit. It's less than two months before the election, a lot less. You know, and these are people who in many cases voted for, like funding the war, voted against the war powers resolution. There were two of them at least so far. So, I mean, these are people who supported the war or in many cases talked about what a good idea was to attack Iran. I mean, are the voters going to like listen to them at this stage?

Like, I mean, it's the most transparent thing in the world. I mean, sometimes the most transparent thing in the world works sometimes. And I just don't know if this is one of those times. I am very skeptical that that will work. I am very skeptical. The war is too big. Like, meaning they know, because what I think is happening is a translation. They know Trump is the one that pushed the war.

And you get like 80% of the public saying, We hate the fact that Trump is at war. Now, they hate the fact that gas prices gone up less about the Trump at war, but whatever. We hate the fact that Trump is at war. Maybe for the voters, those two things are the same thing. Yeah, I think they're the same thing. I think from the same point of them and Trump, the war, Republicans, I think there's an easy line to that. And I think they're going to have a hard time pulling away from that.

And by the way, people may just want Democrats in office as a foil for whatever Trump is. Meaning it may not even be about anything specific to the Republican per se, meaning that candidate could say, I hate Trump. And she could say it all she wants. They may want her out to have a Democrat in to put a kibosh on whatever Trump is doing from the standpoint of Congress. So I think Trump is on a ballot either way. And she could, they could scream all they want. We don't like Trump. Trump is horrible.

We don't like the war. Blah, blah, blah. Too late. Agreed. Yeah. House and Senate. Again, left testicle. I'm putting it up on the.

on the betting thing. Republicans will lose. You know, if I was an Iranian politician, I would make an ad with Trump. I would change it instead of Mexico paying for the wall. Like, the American people are going to pay to rebuild Iran. Iran's to be made a great again paid for by the American consumer. Thank you, America. We love you.

And they're right. Thanks for that. Yeah. I mean, they got those Lego videos. And apparently those Lego videos been bugging a hell out of mark. on Marco Rubio. Like when you get a political person mentioning like those stupid Lego videos,

it's like, oh, so they're working. Yeah, no, and it never goes away, right? Like Thomas Nat, like editorial cartoonists, it's always quote Thomas, what was it, Boss Tweed. Boss Tweed was angry at Thomas Nass and other political cartoonists of the era. And he was like, stop those damn pictures.

And, you know, it's been over, It's been like 150 years and editorial cartoon is still quoted. People don't even know who boss tweed was now. But like, yeah, so it's like, you just look ridiculous when like, when satire is getting under your skin, you look absurd. It's funny though, right? Because it means it's like, it's working. They're doing those Lego videos and it means the videos are working.

You've got somebody who's in the political space admitting or just acknowledging the fact that you've been doing these Lego videos. I would have never acknowledged those videos. videos. No. I will give Trump credit. He never talks about political cartooning ever. Yeah.

You know, it's probably wise. Okay, so Phileas Fab, the lessons from big tobacco, big oil, big pharma, et cetera, is if you want to commit a crime, make it too big to prosecute. Yeah, but the reason, but all of those had to do with the consumers using those products. Like it's kind of hard to ban cigarettes when you get 30, 40%. of the public smoking cigarettes. True, true, true, true. Very hard to do that. People are going to feel some kind of way about that. Same thing with alcohol, same thing with oil and gas. Yeah, they're addicted. Yeah, it's

addictive. The moment that you get a huge market for it is very hard to go to the public and say, all right, we're going to ban this product. That thing that we got you addicted to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're taking that away from you. Like, yeah, no. So, I mean, look, I agree with you. How say, how say they ban cigarettes? Oh, 100%. Uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. Really? And you do that. I would do that. Yeah, I would, let me put this way. If I came to power, would it be, well, I think I would ban cigarettes first.

Because there's some, I mean, cigarettes are worse than alcohol. Cigarettes kill people. I mean, so does alcohol, right, if you drunk, if you drunk drive. But, you know, I mean, wine has some possibly positive health effects, maybe. you know in terms of heart disease and stuff like that so but cigarettes there's no benefit whatsoever oh i guess weight loss right um yeah but like so you know nicotine increases your testosterone count so there's that so if you want more aggressive men than smoking actually helps is that is that true yeah nicotine increases testosterone it's also a stimulant which you know

have a government that's trying to drug you into submission, then maybe you should start smoking more tobacco. Yeah, our government bans, it bans stimulants and it legalizes depressants. See, this gets to my, this on my libertarian side. I mean, I get that I understand the point of getting rid of it because it's dangerous to shit. Dilutarius to your help and there's no health benefit for embryality, right? But if I was a random person who grew tobacco and started smoking it. Would you put me in jail for it?

If you just grew your own? Yeah. No, no, no. First of all, I don't believe in criminalization. You know, like, you know, I would... Then how is it against the law? You could make some... Well, okay, so for the same way that Russian vodka was against the law in, or Cuban

cigars during the Cold War. Like, it's illegal, but it's not criminalized. In other words, you just can't get it. It's like, you know, stores can't. can't sell it. If you happen to get one and someone smuggles a bottle from Moscow in their luggage and you get it, good for you. Enjoy. But it's like basically like it's not like a cannabis dispensary where you can be able you can roll up and in your car and just get as much as you want. I know, but you know you're making a black market the moment you do that, right? True, true, true,

true. So you're okay with the black market? Well, I mean, yeah, if it reduced, if it significantly reduces consumption, that would be the point. I mean, look, let's face it. A lot of more, for example, a lot more people smoke weed now under legalization than did before, just because it's more frictionless. True, but 70% of the public has smoked weed prior before. Sure, but I bet the overall volume of weed being consumed by per capita by the American public is a lot higher.

True, I accept that. I do accept that. But I guess I'm pointing out, though, but they were putting people in jail for wheat. True, which they should not have. They were going to have. Yeah. So under Ted Raw. Ted Rawl accepts the black market, but Tedroll doesn't accept the black market, yeah.

The black market has its place. Also, it's not a bad thing for some people to feel like they have something sneaky going on. I think it's good for, I've always had this theory that psychologically, everyone should have at least one secret, right? Like, you know, like, it doesn't have to be something serious like, oh, I'm also a spy for the, I'm also a spy for the FSB. Right. But although it can be that. But, you know, I think it's like everyone should have something on the something going on. Somebody at work.

Yeah. Just somebody in this other place that you got someone. I mean, those do. You're sexting or whatever you're up to. Everyone should. Everyone needs a secret in order to make them feel fully human. It's exciting. I was challenged on my claim about testosterone being increased by nicotine.

I just dropped. sources in the chat. So it's right there. It's right there. Maybe take a look. Your producers got you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. But so yeah. So, all right, let's see. Do we want to leave that there about the? Yeah. Do we have any comments? Well, looks like, let's see. Okay. A few. Max Ace history and we should know to never count Trump out despite his AP rating. I'm counting him out.

Yeah, I'm counting him out too. I mean, because technically Trump is not on the ballot. Like this is not like Trump is running in the election. And he just doesn't care about this election. Very clearly. I mean, but he should care. Because they are going to be trying to put a thing

in his woolly hat, a spear in his woolly hat coming up. I mean, I don't know if they're going to impeach him, but Lord knows they're going to give him all sorts of hell. They hate his guts with the passion of a thousand burning suns. They do. And if they get the House and the Senate, yeah, they're going to go after him. And I kind of admit.

The entire base wants them to, by the year from now, when we're in that world, I think we're going to be talking here on this show and say, you know, it's going to be like Democrats, you still haven't done anything about affordability. You haven't done anything about the housing crisis. It's all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, all. the time, emoluments this, emoluments that. All true. I would have no problem if, you know, Democratic House and Senate were going after Trump, but also working on the people's business. But they're not going to. It's going to be nothing about this. I don't think so either.

I mean, they may go after Trump and you may get a lot of Democrats that are okay with that bargaining. Yeah. Like meaning they're okay with the idea of, okay, if they just go after Trump, at least they're doing something that we care about. In this case, I mean, Democrats care about. Two years from now, when it's the presidential election, if the Democrats have spent the last two fucking years just trying to nail Trump, isn't that going to hurt them in the presidential in 2028? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because that would be the exact same thing that they did for the last, what, eight years.

Yeah. Like going after Trump has been there. That's their thing, right? Right. Even when Kamala Harris was running, it was all about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. She might have put out an economic program for each race, which is a little bit weird. But for the most part, what she did. She was like, this is the black.

I forgot about that. Yeah. Here's the Pacific Islanders and. Yeah, there's a plan for the Japanese. And it's like, okay, dude. For them to say. Yeah, it's very weird to do that, right, as opposed to making a plan for all of America. But besides the point, it was all about Trump.

Trump is going to kill, kill Liz Cheney. Donald Trump is going to have fire in squads. Donald Trump is going to do this, Donald Trump's going to do this, he's going to put us in chains, all of that stuff. That didn't work. And I get the sense that in two years, if it's all about Trump and the president is running,

they're gonna lose it. I mean, honestly, what they should have been crafting is I think you're right, a plan, a project for an American century from the Democrats. Yeah, project 2029. Yeah, this is what we wanted to do. And like, they, stick to it like a laser.

This is what we want to do. Oh, man. That's not the democratic way. No, it's not. They can't even keep up their messaging points, much less their policies. Kilroy suggests outlaw foreign countries from owning property, aggressively deport illegal criminals, put illegal immigrants on path to citizenship, ban export of funds via Western Union money gram, bad, ban, what is that, he jabs?

I don't know. Oh, H1Bs, I see. Well, I totally agree with banning H1. We can take these one at a time, all right? So outlaw foreign countries from owning property, I can argue that either way. I don't give a shit about the right of foreigners to buy American property. I don't care about that. If someone wants to ban that, I'm okay with that.

Like, whatever. I mean, it does inflate our housing prices. aggressively deport illegal criminals. I would say, yeah, illegal criminals, yeah, you guys can go. But I would say only felons, you know, and even then, I mean, depends on the felony, right? Like, if they cheat on their taxes or something, that's not quite the same as a violent, I'd say violent felons can go. Put illegal immigrants on paths to citizenship, agreed. This might sound like a little bit rabbi-ish.

I would say give people who are illegal like a timeline. Like you have five years, you know, to get on the path to permanent residency, right? You have to make a move. You can't just dick around, right? Ban export of funds via Western Union money grams. See, I can't agree with that. Like under a capitalist system, you have to have the free flow of capital and internationally. And like, I just don't think that would be right.

I would not, I would not ban that. I would tax a hell out of it. Well, I think what he's talking about is people coming to the country, sending money back to, where. So like, that's what he's talking. With, um, in Honduras or whatever, or Honduras that come to the U.S. were sending the money back.

I think he's talking about that. Yeah, that's what he's talking about. And, uh, yeah, I, I kind of think that, like, because the problem is if you attack that, then it's like, I have a French bank account. Why I shouldn't be able to send money to my French bank account? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean?

Like here's here's how you do it like say for example if Guatemala refuses to take the back its citizens that are trying to be deported then someone tries to send money to Guatemala you just cut them off and that way it will incentivize them to take their people back. I'm not sure the Honduran government is going to care if Juan Gonzalez doesn't happen to get be able to get his his funds. Tens of thousands of ones know that makes a difference because that money goes straight to their economy. Don't care.

I don't know. I just don't know how much the money is. Also, I think anything that involves, like, you know, sanctions and impoverishing the poorest and most vulnerable, hardworking people, it's just like that rubs me the wrong way. Let's say you have no problem with the American people being. Oh, I have lots of problems with that. Well, then pick one. Pick a team, Ted. You know which team I'm on.

Well, then you should be Team Robbie and Team Kilroy on this. This is about how to do it, not what to do. Okay, ban H1Bs. H1B visas should not be legal as long as the unemployment rate in the United States is over zero. It depends. I mean, I agree on principle, but it depends.

Like when a nurse, let me actually do this, when a nurse or doctor come here to work at a hospital, are they using H1B one or are using some other provision to do it? It's like, it's like an H1B, but it's not an H1B. It's effectively the same thing, yeah. Yeah, I mean, if we don't have, I mean, because what you're talking about is shortages.

I'm okay with us ramping up in order to fill those roles that I'm fine with. Yeah. And at the point where we ramp up to fill those roles where we're like, okay, well, we don't need these. Well, maybe if we say like, if we have a plan where it's like, okay, we know that, you know, we'll be okay in five to ten years, but we have to get these people into the pipeline. And then we stick to it and we have a strict plan like the way China would do it, then fine. That I'm okay with. But otherwise, we're talking about shortages at hospitals where we're missing. nurses and doctors for all sorts of fields and all sorts of things. I mean, they were

charged. They were giving away like $2,500 to nurses because they had that many shortages, just in Richmond. And I'm telling you, that's all through the United States. And so, yeah, if we had a plan for it, no issue. But it's just like stopping overnight. Yeah, no. Well, here's my question. So you're going to be running into two problems. One, there's no incentive to train America workers do those jobs if you just import them from overseas and then pay them less. I guess that's what I'm saying, Robbie. We should. It's one thing we say, all right, we have all of these positions that are being taken by foreigners,

either in H1B1 visas, nursing, doctors, et cetera. And we as a country is making a plan in order to fill these roles with American workers. That I get, meaning that's a government thing. That's a government-driven thing of saying this is what we're going to do because we have these shortages and we need to fill these positions. But to just say, we're just kicking everybody out. we're stopping all of these programs. And we're supposed to go from there with shortages. Now, you could say...

Americans will die for lack of medical care. Yeah, that's not good. And you could say, well, these inciniscence, an American die. But I agree with Robbie's concern. Like, if we just do it sort of ad hoc and we just admit people, and then there will be less political will, this would only work in sort of a different political system than we have. It would have to be one where, you know, there's a...

a detailed, intelligent, long-term plan to modify our entire workforce system so that we are able to scale people up who are U.S. citizens. And it would have to be stuck to through presidencies and congresses of the future, regardless of what political orientation they're a member of. I mean, that's not our system, right? Also, you're never going to get educational reform. but the same thing, if you can just continue just importing a ready-made surf class from overseas. You're never going to get the kind of reforms you're talking about.

If you ought to have an educated, trained workforce, you've got to educate them and train them. There's no incentive to do that right now because we can just import every swinging deck from the third world. That's the problem. The incentive that you're talking about is basically, okay, we should have shortages in regards to doctors and nurses in the medical system. I use in medical systems because that's the one that I know of as a flat fact. we should have shortages in these areas in order to create an incentive for what? Because I got to be honest, I don't think that having a shortage is going to immediately translate into, okay, people are now going to nursing school and doing X or Y.

Supply the thing, right? I don't think that happens in that way, because why would it happen? Well, supply and demand, that is, that's the most basic form of economics that there is. The more of something that you need. Nurses already get paid quite well. doctors could pay extraordinarily well. And yet, he has to order this. And last.

But here. What's the barrier to entry? So, J.T. How many years of college you have to go to school to be an RN? Oh, Jesus. It's two years. It's two years. Two years to be an RN.

To be a registered nurse, you've got to go to school for two years. To be an LPN, you have to go to school for one year. The difference is an RN can push drugs and LPN cannot. Now you can challenge the board. I got to be honest, I have not seen an LPN. for God knows how long. I don't even know if those things still exist. LPNs work mostly in nursing homes. Reason I'm telling you this is because this is my this is my life for over a decade, okay? So I know a little bit about this. Now the barrier to entry is that if you're going to go

in and you're going to do this to your class, how much debt are you going to incur in student loans? That's the major barrier to entry. So it's so yeah, you get a paycheck. That's one part of it. The point I'm trying to make is that education will never get cheaper if there's no incentive to make it cheaper. If you're able to continue importing people from Haiti and all these other places, it's never going to happen. That's actually, that's the point. Why do you think it's going to get cheaper when, why do you think they charge so much for people to go to school? Because of student loans. It's a grip. Well, part of the student loan, but part of it is also, hey, you want this future. You're going to have to pay me $40,000 in order to get the future that you want, that your

social worker at school tells you that you need. and you require, meaning they charge you that much, not because of the student loans, but because they know that they got you over a barrel from the standpoint of whether you want to succeed in life. And from the time that you're a child, up to the time where you're going to school, they tell you this is required for success in life.

We got you over a barrel. You want to have a decent life, pay us $40,000 to get this particular degree. You could say student loans. I don't think it's student loans. I think it's that part. And the point that I'm making is, it's not like nursing is going to go down in price,

just because you get rid of immigration. That's not going to happen. If anything, the value of it is going to go up. But the point that I'm trying to make is, is that in order to get more people into the system, the cost of education will go down. It won't. Then let's try it.

That's what happens. Then let's test it. Who's right? Robbie or J.T. That's the problem is that we never, is that you're making the same argument that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, everybody else has made. If we do this, it's going to hurt the economy.

Yes, but is the short-term pain going to benefit in the long run. Nobody wants to take the medicine to get better. Well, that's not my argument. My argument is we should invest money into certain things that allow, for one, my argument is we shouldn't be charged in school. Especially for something that we care about and we require. If school is free, you will by definition get more nurses and by definition be able to fill those roles. Well, the U.S. government doesn't believe that.

Neither Reagan nor the Democrats buy into this idea. buy into this idea of free college or free education. I do. Because from my point of view, this is where you get the extra nurses, the extra doctors, the extra people to feel the roles that we need in our society. I don't think you get those things without school being much cheaper. Well, back in the day. Programs to help with affordability of. Back in the day, and by back in the day, I mean, the late 90s and early 2000s, and this is something I looked into is that you're able to, is that, so to be a nurse,

what you have to do you don't need that to your certification you have to do what's called you have to pass the board right so the way that people would use to do it is that they would do like an on-the-job training thing so you work in the emergency room as the ER tech once you got the experience you could then take the test pass the test and then if you do that then you're able to bypass all that cost right hospitals now don't hire people like that because they get an incentive by sending people to school, then they get vouchers and then they get kicks, then they get kickbacks from it. And that pushes the price up. So the issue is not, there's not enough people to do the work. The issue is that the barrier to entry, the barrier, the entry is too high. And they pad that with the cost of

getting the education. Most people know you can challenge the board. And then you have the, then you have the debt that you, that you're saddled with, plus the interest on the debt. Those are the problems. And then the government says, oh, America is too stupid and too lazy to do this work so we have to import people to drive wages down even further that's not the answer the answer is to break the there was to break the college cartel bring back on the job training and that's how you do this that's why the government hates vocational school nursing is a vocation there is no reason why you should have to go get a two-year degree for it except that is a part of the grip that's the point yes it's sort of like hair dress like the hairdresser you start getting people from africa and asia and all these other places

it's never going to get better. There's no incentive for it to get better. No, Robbie, but I don't, I mean, but the plan of, okay, just say effort to report everybody and have shortages in hospitals doesn't seem like a viable option. Well, let's try it. Like, I mean, my pain medication. I want my pain medication. People will die.

I mean, anyway. People die every day, Ted. There's repetition here. Yeah, I know, and I don't want anyone I care about to be one of them. All right. So let's, we have more questions here. Mark 1661. Question for you, Robbie. Have you, have you read or believe in any of the non-canal canonical Gospels? Oh, like the, um, like the Dossackables Gospels? Yeah, I read them. I mean, they're

they're great sci-fi, but no, I don't believe in them. But they're kind of like the book of Mormon. How don't you believe the notes? Well, for one thing, I mean, they're like, they put the Bible together from several books. These were some of the books. Why don't believe these books as opposed they are they just got edited down yeah just just just the contradictions and stuff and also whenever you go through and every you know whenever you're studying something that's spiritual one one of the things always like to do is uh spend a lot of time in prayer ask for guidance before i do and then i just go through and then i've i just methodically just go through and look and see what is it that they're teaching like the gospel of judas no

teaching that i wasn't right Well, it's just too full of contradictions. As opposed to the rest of the Bible. I was going to say. The Bible doesn't have contradictions. The Bible doesn't have contradictions. The Bible doesn't have contradictions. I think the Bible doesn't have contradictions because you don't want them to have contradictions.

Maybe. But that's because of a Christian and you're not. So I just take it on faith. But you don't take the other books on faith. Correct, because they're not the word of God. They're not divinely inspired. Okay. Well, they were divinely inspired, perhaps, and then edited out.

Yeah, they were edited out. They could be inspired by Satan for sure, but he's different from God. Wait, that's a big statement. Just because a Bible, you know, a book got cut out, I mean, not to mention, there's different versions of the Bible, right? I mean, it's like... You'll want to get me to start on the different versions of the Bible because they are blasphemousousous.

The King James, baby, that's the one. Just that medieval dude. All right. So here, I just asked Grock for some contradictions in the Bible. And I got to say, by the way, it's going pretty, pretty long here. You know, okay, so has anyone seen God? Exodus 3320, John 118, 1 Timothy 616, no one has seen or can see God. But Genesis 3230, Exodus 24 and 33, Isaiah 6,

all describe people seeing the Lord face to face. distinction commonly grand seeing a the a the aphany or the angel of the lord versus seeing god's unveiled as here here's the difference you can't see the you can't see the father without dying that's why whenever you appeared to moses he put his hand over wait so is that way you said enoch it's not real because he not saw god he described the face of god well because jesus is god so jesus is jesus is the son of god he is who able to gaze upon you can't see the father that's the difference Or how Judas died, right?

So in Matthew, Judas returns the silver, hangs himself, the priests bought by the potter's field with the money. In Acts, Judas himself acquires the field. He falls headlong and bursts open. Yep. Those are not the same. He fell, he hung himself and he ended up just going over and splattering his guts. Okay, who incited David's census? The second book of Samuel says that the Lord incited Daniel to number Israel.

Chronicles 1 says Satan did. And the numbers are different. The totals differ. 800,000, which is $500,000, which is $1.3 million versus $1.1.1 million, plus $470,000, which is $1.57 million. Now you talk about David's census because you said Daniel. David's census. Yeah. So David, what he did is that he numbered the people.

And the reason why he did it is back then, as you know, Ted, you're a student of history. You would do that kind of thing if you're getting ready to raise an army to go to war. And so what happens is that David is getting ready to launch of a war of aggression. Then God told him because of this sin, you're going to have, you know, you're either going to be judged by men or you're going to be judged by me. And he chose to be judged by God. God sent the angel death of Jerusalem and started killing people. And the temple got built there at the third.

Threshersfield that David bought as a, so that's what that's what that happens from. So it wasn't Daniel that did the census. It was David. Or Satan, depending to one Chronicles. Well, you have the choice to either follow the Lord or to follow Satan. And Satan definitely had it out. But David is not Satan. Satan. And no one said that Satan inspired David. Well, he whispers in your ear. If not him, it's his devil.

It's just like whenever David never assumed a Bashiba, what was going on? Do you remember the story? Oh, yeah. It's a bathing beauty. Where was David supposed to be? What was happening at that time? He was on the roof of his house, right? He was where he was not supposed to be because his army was fighting the Philistines.

His army was fighting the Philistines. David should have been with his army. meeting it instead he gave it over to his general because he says it feel like doing his job that day saw you're right at the hitchhite's wife bathsheba bathing seduced her he's like i got to tap that and end up getting her pregnant and then he and then he actually had her husband murdered right and so oh he was in the way i mean david was not perfect by any such imagination the battlefield from i'm not mistaken david david is very good david is very good of repenting now do you remember what the prophet Nathan said to him how he posted Daniel how he posted David up no so yeah well

Joe don't want me to turn this to the Bible study or you know say this one thing and then like that we're going to because this is not going to be quick we'll do we'll okay we'll do it we'll do it we'll do it another time then all right okay so uh there's definitely contradiction to the Bible though and there are not there are none you sir are wrong did you guys see Florida City Council meeting where they kept kicking people out for mentioning Israel, filthy peasants questioning the rules of Israel. Really? So I saw which one Jackson, the Democrat Jackson, who is he going up against?

Is that one, is that Maine? Because I did see one where you were asking questions about Israel where they were like, hey, we need both the UK. Right, isn't that mean, like against Susan Collins? Yeah. Okay. So that was in the Florida one. No, I didn't see the Florida one.

I saw the one in Maine where they asked about genocide. And one said genocide, the other one wouldn't say it. That's, yeah, not surprised. Hey, Jamar, Ted, Robbie. Question, any time soon, are you guys going to travel to China, People's Republic of China? I would love to. I would love to.

I want to. In fact, I wanted to take a week off. Well, I wanted to take a week off at some point. And China was one of the places I was thinking about going. I wanted to go to China, Russia, before I dropped it. China Russian Rome for three. I wanted to go to it before. Yeah, last time, I mean, like,

It's cheap in winter, so that might be something for us to look into. Oh, you'll go. I'd go. Yeah, we can do the show from China. Really? Yeah, why not? When do you want to go? October?

I'm thinking, no, it'll be expensive. I was thinking like January. It'll be cheap as shit. Oh, God, man. I don't plan stuff out that long. Maybe I did. You got to for China, though, because you got to get the visa. I bet these days it's going to take a little longer.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can get a 14-day visa. You can get that at the airport. They have it now. Oh, really? You can just show up? Yeah.

Oh, wow. When I took the trip to Malaysia, the airport, the plane stopped in China. It stopped there for, what, like, 20, like 14 hours or 12 hours or something. And I end up getting the one-day visa, stayed there for the day, got an apartment, got a hotel, slept. At that point, I had been on the plane for like 20 hours. Yeah, sleeping's good. But, yeah, you get like a 14-hour visa in China. By the way, there's nothing like the way.

the Chinese hotels make the beds like super, super tight the way they tuck in the sheets. And you get in there with jet lag. And you can't, it's like being swaddled. You will just go, you're like, fade to black, you know. No, it was good. It was inexpensive. No, I would go. Okay, this is a request for Robbie for tech sports.

Robbie, are you streaming later? I'd like to hear more about the different Bible types. I was going to start reading it soon. Most likely tomorrow I've got some production work I've got to do today for some of the different people I'm working for but after that though most likely tomorrow.

Why don't you have a Bible channel? That's a good question. A couple of reasons. One, I don't know who would want to watch it and second, I'm not very good at just talking to myself. My mom watches some preacher that she likes. People watch it. Yeah, there's some dude on Rumble early in the morning

who just goes on and on and on. He doesn't know shit. compared to you. Maybe I don't know. I mean, people would watch it. I guarantee you people will watch it. Yeah, I agree. Maybe I don't know. I do better talking with somebody else and so that I can't do it tomorrow. I can't just stare at the screen and then just talk. You just pick a topic. You get to pick this one, Bishiba. You can come home with there are no contradictions in the Bible. That will be the title. That shit will get go bananas. Like you get like it works. I swear to God, it would work. If an astrology channel. works. A Bible channel definitely will work. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe we will. I mean, because I am trying to know, now that

finances and the economy are, such as they are, I'm definitely looking at other things to do with the YouTube channel. So maybe. You need a good atheist to be on that channel with you. That would help too. Yeah. Like an atheist and a Christian fighting for work.

An atheist and a Christian walk into a bar. Only the atheist gets a drink. You know, Ted, I I know a guy. Anytime that you want to. We can try it out and see how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Listen, I'd be more than happy to do it. I mean, it's just, that has to be worth of time. Because if I do it, and only 20 people to show. Can we call it oh, Christ? Well, it would take a while, of course. I mean, it takes five. No, I get that. I'm just saying, I mean, no, if over a year, if just 12 people tune in,

no, that's not good. It's not worth it. No, four cents for my day, not. so much. Let me take it well, but I think it would. Okay, $5 donation from Albuquid. Thank you very much. Number one, we know a thing by what it does.

Number two, Trump is decimating the U.S. economy. Number three, top project 2025 goal are to restructure the economy, abolish the Fed, and assume presidential control of police, state, and military. That last part, I don't see them, first of all, abolishing the Fed, but that last part about as militarizing, you know. Estabishing control over police military? That, see, this whole ice thing in National Guard deployments and all the, the hype about election fraud really seems to play into that last narrative.

I mean, I mean, I guess the question, I don't, I have a hard time seeing stuff that haven't happened. So there's that. So take that. So I'm saying to take what I'm about to say what a grain of assault. I have a hard time seeing. the overturn of the election thing. I don't, because we funnel all of our, how can I say this, we funnel all of our political intrigue, all of the, you know, we tell people, we frowned up in protests,

and we say voting is what we do. Voting is how we make our choice about who we want in office, whether it's presidential or it's any other thing, meaning all of the energy that would be, let's say, in France, putting cows out or streaming shit into parliament, it's putting to voting in the United States. The moment that you say, that's off, oh man, I don't know how the public accepts that. I don't think the public looks at it and says, oh, well, I think the public looks at that as if something they've lost,

something Trump is doing, and something that is more diabolical and sinister. I don't know what people would do, but I don't get the sense that people would just be like, oh, well, I don't think the app they will pan out. But I could be wrong in that. I can be wrong. And God knows, I hope I'm now.

I hope you're right. Okay, well, whatever. Syphilitic Royals, Redneck takes is the Bible. Redneck takes is the Bible is fire. Mac and then I follow a lot of academic religious channels. I definitely watch Robbie's Bible classes. Yeah. Teenick.

Robbie, this would be a service to the world. Please do it. Bad cookies. Robbie, you should totally do it. Nothing like further indoctrination. Love the idea. Okay. So we got about 18 minutes left here in the program.

So let's talk about this terror plot, alleged terror plot. So I forget the name of the town, but it's in, I think, Southwest UK, Southwestern England, R.A.F. Fairford. and some Karen saw three cars driving near an Air Force base and dropped a dime or dropped a shilling or whatever the fuck it is on to the local constables and they arrested five dudes on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism. Details are thin on the ground, right? We don't really know.

We know that they called out the bomb squad, which seems to imply to be that they found explosives and that these guys are being charged under the Explosives Act, but we don't know really did they find a bomb or explosive devices and if so how big they were. And of course there's lots of speculation because Iran said if you supply the U.S. or you allow the U.S. to be, your territory to be used as a staging ground for U.S. attacks against Iran,

you would be a fair target. So the implication is, you know, maybe this is some kind of Iranian-related thing. But I always, my radar always goes up whenever one of these things breaks. Because nine to have ten times, it's less than meets the eye, or it's jinned up completely out of whole cloth, or it's something very different than how it's being presented. But it is a story, and we do need to talk about it. Yeah. For when, I'm very doubtful that Iran had anything to do with this. There's that. I'm surprised they didn't accuse the Russians. There's that. Why not? Why not both? Well, usually it's a Russian plot. And AOC while we're at it. I don't think it happened. I think it's just the lie. I don't think it happened at all. That's always possible. The lepsi thing didn't happen. That's nonsense. I mean, that's a utter nonsense that they're trying to claim it's a Russian plot to, you know, that Russia couldn't build a drone that they hit a Ukrainian plane in Germany, which is basically nonsense. In fact, Europe has been doing this whole thing running around claiming that the Russians are agitating as they fire missiles into Russia.

There's that. So I'm surprised they didn't say the Russians did it. I will wait until more information comes out. I'm very doubtful that the British will see. I'm very doubtful until it comes up. Yeah, I mean, I think like the system in a situation, in the UK in a lot of other countries. It's like arrest first, ask questions later. Like out of, you know, like they get the call. They're like, it doesn't hurt to just arrest them.

Bring them in, search everything, check them out. I wouldn't be shocked if these guys walked free in like three days. By the way, we do the same thing in this country where they had, I forget the bombing that took place and they brought in a guy, accused the guy of it. The guy ends up walking. I think it was like, it wasn't 9-11. It was another bomb plot. But, yeah, we do.

the same thing. We choose the retarded guy of trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan. Right. I mean, more than one retarded guy. Yeah. Yeah. Mentioned the governor of Michigan, Whitmer.

Yeah. The Gretchen. Big Gretch. I mean, yeah. So your next president of the United States. So you got to really watch out for these people with an IQ around 70 who live in the basement of a vacuum cleaner shop because those are some shifty diabolical people.

Well, you have to watch your phone when you're talking to the FBI. The FBI is like, hey, the FBI is, sure, let's do that. Like, you are allowed under the, you know, you're allowed under the First Amendment to, and under, you know, obviously, a big Supreme Court decision back in the 70s, you're allowed not to say anything to a cop, except if you refuse to talk to the FBI, the FBI is different. Like, you can be charged with impeding a federal investigation. Even if you just say I exercise my Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate myself, the, you know, the FBI is not quite subject to that. It's tricky. The FBI is trouble. You're better off keeping your mouth shut. Always. Yeah. Just, I mean, just you can only hurt yourself. Right. Like people don't. It's like running with scissors. You can only hurt you. People always talk. They always do. It's like, shut up. If I say something, maybe they believe me and it's like dude that's not the way this works i'm always like yeah i always think about the central park five right where they told them like oh like don't worry you know just tell us what happened and tell us everything you know and we're just we're going to get you home to your parents

yeah and yeah parents are horrible in investigations because they usually get the kid to talk right just just shut yeah just cops are allowed to lie to you by according to to the Supreme Court, you should assume nothing they say is truthful. But it's a crime if you lie to them. Talk about a complete inversion of justice. That's why we have a legal system, not a justice system. Well, you're allowed to lie to cops, like, under certain circumstances. Like, for example, if a cop pulls you over and says, have you been drinking?

And you say no. And it turns out you did have a drink. If you didn't break any law. if you lie to a federal cop it is a felony federal right yeah but I'm saying like local state state police like what do we even have those anymore pardon I mean do how much longer you think we're that we're actually going to have local police in this country oh it'll be a long time because because it's just there's too many right I mean yeah we have local just thinking I mean you just federal by the way these fly I was just reading a story about upstate New York in the town

of Poughkeepsie. I like to Pekipsy. There was a, there's a controversy over the flock cameras, like there is in lots of other towns. And the city council rebelled against the pro-police mayor. And they're getting rid of the flock cameras, right? And then the care, but the mayor, this part's interesting. Poughkeepsie's not a big city. No.

They were, the city of Poughkeepsie, which is broke as shit, was paying $500,000 a year just to flock to maintain the cameras. By the way, and just so people... I'm like, that's a lot of money for a small town. Poughkeepsie is tiny. In fact, there's a Poughkeepsie town in Pough city. Right. The Kipsy City is dirt poor.

Oh, yeah. It's a town is very rich. Like, you have like a million dollar mansions and everything else. And it's only like three minutes away. Like, if you're driving in Pekipsy Town City, you're in Hibokipsey Town within three or four minutes. Right. The idea that they're paying that much money for it is outrageous. I mean, and they were literally, the mayor's like, well, I guess we can restore the, the youth after school program.

I'm like, you, you bought flock cameras and you canceled the youth after school program. Like, sounds about right. That's fucked up. Sounds about right. Yeah, I lived there for, like, two, three years. So, yeah, I agree. We'll see what happened here. But I'm like, yeah, this could easily be another Gretchen Whitmer bullshit, like self-radicalized, whatever.

I have a question for y'all. I don't know the answer to this. No, the federal government has the, has, they have the power to federalize the National Guard. Yeah. That's why.

That's the biggest difference between the garden and the militia. Does a federal government have the authority to federalize local law enforcement? No. Yes. Wait. I thought they did. I thought they did. I thought the president can federal.

I mean, like all of these things are just levels of another. I don't think so. I don't think that's true. Local state. Federal. We need a lawyer. Federal.

It seems like a constitutional lawyer question. but I don't think so. I think like I don't see how the federal, the Trump administration can federalize the NYPD. I don't think so. Why not? Just because it's a different authority. I mean, states and local governments have their own governmental structures.

And I don't know, perhaps in a case of a national emergency, they could be brought under the direction. But I don't see how that's even possible. Well, you're right. No, the United States president generally, I don't know what generally means in this case. Cannot federalize local police departments in regular U.S. cities or states, but they have limited temporary authority to take over the police force in Washington, D.C.

Oh, in Washington, right? Because, of course, that's different. Yeah. Yeah, because Congress administers the city of the District of Columbia. That's interesting. He can take over the, I mean, but a state politician can take. take over local police, correct? I don't think that's true either.

Yeah, I don't think the, I don't think big Gretsch can take over Milwaukee's police. The sheriff's police that the president had in federalized. I don't think so either. I don't think, I think the New York state troopers cannot be taken over by President Trump. So it's only the National Guard. It's only the National Guard. I could have scored that it was also the police. Well, the reason I'll bring this up, because if we do go into a period of directions, they would in case of civil, sorry, go ahead. Robbie, finish your thought.

Well, the reason I bring this up is that if I'm right, and if we do have a big problem with civil unrest this fall and winter because of shortages when it comes to food, energy, and everything else, then you could see the federal government going through and issuing either an executive order, maybe even Congress passing a law, federalizing law enforcement. So I think, well, then you'd have a major separation of powers constitutional clash. It would be a constitutional crisis of major proportions, right? But I think in practical terms, I think what would really happen, let's say the president declares a state of emergency for some reason.

It can be anything, a natural disaster, civil unrest, you know, constitutional crisis, mean Iranians, Clovis run wild, anything, right? I think at that point, what's going to really happen is that most states and cities that they would voluntarily cooperate with the federal government. And they'd say, like, we, of course, we'll coordinate with the federal authorities

to prevent, you know, this insane mutant cat from running wild through the land. Like, yeah. I mean, just, I'm just something to know if there's the white's bed, looting, say, in Los Angeles, because, you know, there's just not enough food going to the different stores. Same thing. You know, any big city, you don't pick one. Well, we have had, we've seen widespread looting in Los Angeles before. So they had local police. I mean, that's kind of the job of the police

part. Yeah. In those states. Yeah, more would think. But if they're overwhelmed or the cops don't show up to work because they're, they protect their families. They have families too. Well, I still think. I still think there's a complete breakdown, I guess, as I'm asking. I think temperamentally the state and local police captains and would be likely more often than not to just voluntarily cooperate with the federal authorities just because they would fall into line, right? I think now what would be interesting is let's say you had President Bernie Sanders declare that kind of thing. Would the cops who tend to lead right politically be, I think they'd be less likely to cooperate with the federal authorities? It depends on what it is. But what if ICE is factored into the equation, if they're taking orders of ice?

Well, I mean, they don't take orders from ICE, though. No, you've got it out. I mean, if they submit the choice, now do you even work with ICE? That's my point, though. So, like, so if this happens, if you do have a big breakdown, if they need federal help to bring back order, the National Guard to be part of it. Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. I mean, look, he could put National Guard.

He does have power to do that. I mean, yeah, I mean, and ICE is now the biggest militarized force in the United States, right? So, um, yeah, but I mean, we're using ice for that. Ice is very specific. Well, true. If you're trying to normalize them, it'd be very strange, but it'd be like, hey, we have break-ins or we have robberies in California. So we're sending ice to deal with the robberies. Yeah.

Well, I says a big population. Well, I said, well, California has a large population of your illegal immigrants just like the entire Southwest does. So if you want, if you want these bodies, that's going to be a big population. going to be a part of it. Wouldn't that be a way to get those blue states to take their medicine? That'll be weird. I mean, in fact, even this conversation is like the idea. It's terrifying. When Garland told me that he says, look, if somebody, if I'm running from the cops or if I'm running from ICE and I'm an American citizen. And I say, look, you can suck my dick. I'm an American citizen. Like the other guy. Good for him. Right. And a police was standing right there. would you protect me? And Garland was like, no.

Right. Now, the problem with this is, if indeed you can't federalize state or local cops, then why not? ICE is no jurisdiction. Not really, especially from the standpoint of the cops that's there that supposedly can't be federalized and that is under the jurisdiction of the city or the state.

I'm a city, I'm a civilian of the city of this state. Why can't you tell this guy to fuck off? Well, everything's been conflated, right? I mean, like ICE was sent supposedly to put down civil unrest in the form of anti-ice ice protests, right? I mean, it would seem like the proper authority to go in to put down an uprising against ice would really not be ice. It would be the National Guard or local cops, but they didn't do that, right? After 9-11, and they're still there, the National Guard who are like 18, 19 years old, wet behind the ears, carrying guns in some cases as long as they are

tall are hanging out in the entrances to like Grand Central Station and Penn Station in New York. I'm sure in a union station in D.C. And there are, and you know, people are used to that. But it's like, why is the National Guard in the fucking train station? Like shouldn't it be D.C. police or whatever? Yeah, I don't think people are used to. I mean, but they're trying to normalize it. They're trying to. But I don't know if you can normalize that. I mean, it's kind of a big thing having military roaming around with guns in the U.S. Yeah, but we do. And we, you know, I mean, like after 9-11,

it was an armed national guardsman created a perimeter in Manhattan between upper Manhattan, lower Manhattan, and I used to call it the arachnid quarantine zone to go down into, you know, near ground zero. It's like, it's like... What's not here now, is it? I mean, they... No, no, no, it's been gone for years.

But my point is that, like, New Yorkers kind of just accepted it, which was funny to me. But they accepted it because of 1911. Right. I mean, I don't think like when Trump is doing this now where he's like, I'm putting National Guard in D.C. I'm pushing National Guard and so forth.

I don't know how much they accepted it, especially considering the neighborhoods that he was putting it. It's not like he was putting, like he put the National Guard in Georgetown. Okay, Georgetown is one of the most wealthiest areas. I know. It's really insane. It's insane.

It's not the area where people are committing crimes, right? Yeah, they're not in Southeast. Yeah. No, it's not Southeast. It's not Anacostia, right? If you're not living in D.C., you may not know that. I lived in D.C. for several years. I do know that.

That's not what the crimes are. Some parts of D.C. are spicy. Yeah. Some are very nice. Georgetown is one of the nice ones. And so having military walk up and down, this very nice street is just bizarre. Yeah, yeah. No, it is very strange.

Let's see here. There's, I see another comment here. Massive BJ. I want to see Bobby and Ted wonder what's with all the Gators. Jamarle knows. DJ is the That's his, yeah Jamarle knows Kit already

He's been on the show IIRC Wait, say that again I don't get this I'm sorry Maybe I'm a retard Okay, I want to see Robbie and Ted Wonder what's with all the Gators

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I don't know if that means. I've got nothing for you. I don't know. Please translate. Speak English. Yeah, I don't know what that means. One of the problems that we have,

a lot of our commenters use a lot of abbreviations, and we have to decipher them on the fly here while we're talking. And you can call in. There's a link of the chat. Yeah. That's true. It's a hell of a name.

That name is this great. Massive. Massive. Massive. Guys, it's been two hours, which means it's the end of the show. Deprogram will be back tomorrow, 9 a.m. Eastern time. What? Kit Calabo.

I can't pronounce the last thing. Kit. Cabello. Calabo. He is on, oh, what is the name of that channel? I can't think of the name of the channel. I know what he's talking about, though. Okay.

All right. Well, I don't. But anyway. All right, that's it. Anyway, we'll be back tomorrow. 9 a.m. Eastern time till 10 a.m. Eastern time. So tune in early. Don't tune in late. Hold on. That's because it gets some clarification real quick. So J.T. Hardlands media. That's it. So J.T., do black holes in light or light just suck in light?

There's light just fall in because of the curvature of space time. Well, fall in and it, it's the curvature. It's the space is so curved and contorted that it just comes out. Light always just travel space. That's why it curves. Like when scientists are looking at the curvature of space and stuff like that, they're doing that because they're space. is curving. That light, like, like always moves in a straight line. It always moves at the same speed, even when it's in a different medium and it seems like it's slowing down. It's not really slowing down. It's the medium that's slowing down. In this case, it's the space that is curved to such a degree that light can't escape. Gotcha. Perfect. Okay. Bye. Bye, all. Have a good one, guys.