DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Iran Lays Down the Law | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 21, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. This week, “Deprogram” expands into two hours Monday, Wednesday, and Friday!Today we discuss:• Trump asks “if and when do I blow the entire nation [Iran] up?”• The cost of the war in Iran was $43.6 billion through Sept. 3, with bombs, missiles and other munitions accounting for more than 60 percent of the expenses, the Pentagon told Congress. • Security chief Mohsen Rezaei has laid out Iran’s new set of conditions to end its war with the U.S.:An end to the war on all fronts, including, in particular, Lebanon.The release of its frozen funds that run into billions of US dollars.An end to the naval blockade on Iranian ports.An end to US interference in Iran’s internal affairs.An end to US cooperation with “the opponents of our revolution”.An end to all US attacks on Iranian territory.• Trump says his proposed 250-foot triumphal arch will now be a “top grade” military complex that will house drones, snipers and ammunition.• Trump says the United States has entered a security agreement with Greenland and Denmark that “gives the United States permanent control over security, and all other needs, in Greenland, completely addressing ALL of our many U.S. concerns.” • Trump bans CNN, MS NOW and Politico from the White House.MERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

Good morning, Ann, thank you for joining us here. Wait, we have an element not found. Let me do a little bit of troubleshooting as we start the week here. That's a normal occurrence on D-Program. Oh, it's a normal, anytime you're dealing with Rumble Studio. Okay, we're up and running. Thanks for joining us here. It's D-Program with Ted Royal and Jamaril Thomas.

It's Monday, September 21st, 2026. J.T. is just wrapping up his normal solo show from 7 to 9 p.m. Eastern Time. That is as soon as he's done there, he'll pop over here. I just wanted to do some housekeeping and let you know that we now have a new schedule that we've been previewing over the last few weeks. That now goes into effect immediately starting today. So here's the story. We will be here. Monday, Wednesday, and Friday from 9 a.m. until 11 a.m. Eastern time. That will be, and then Tuesday and Thursday, it's the same as before, 9 to 10 a.m. Eastern time. There's J.T. Good morning, Jamarle. Good morning, guys. I'm just bringing everyone up to speed about the new schedule. And so anyway, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9 to 11, Tuesday, Thursday, from 9 to 10. that means that for people who are the old Q&A show, which used to be at noon on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, we're folding that in to the Monday, Wednesday, Friday. That's why we're going to two hours. So basically, in our minds, the format is that we do the news and analysis show the first hour of the Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then the second hour will move ahead to do take your questions and all that.

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Interested in us really But anyway even though we were interested in them and we were doing well there So I don't know what's going on anyway All right, here's what we got going, and I'll just go down it. The Trump, once again, musing about blowing up the entire nation of Iran, whether he should do that. The Congressional Budget Office and the Pentagon have just released the latest figures for the current cost of Trump and Israel's war against Iran, $43.6 billion through September 3rd. And, of course, that was two weeks ago. So it's been, it's more now.

bombs, missiles, and other munitions account for more than 60% of that extraordinary amount of money. Security chief Mosen Razi has laid out a new set of conditions that the Islamic Republic has in order to end its war with the United States, and we will go through those. Mostly it's stuff that you already heard, but there's one or two really big new ones that you're going to want to know about. And then Trump says that the arch in D.C. is going to be a military complex that's going to have drones, snipers, ammunition. I'm kind of hoping it has like a water slide and all sorts of cool stuff that any nine-year-old boy would want to have. Because it definitely sounds like the fantasies of a nine-year-old boy.

Hydrofoil, got to have that. It's right by the river, right? say you could have that. And let's see, two other things. Greenland and Denmark have apparently caved into the Donald, and we'll get into that. And Trump has banned journalistic stenographers from the White House from CNN, MS Now, and Politico. And so we'll get into all that. If you have a question, please put it in the live chat between 9 and 11 a.m. Eastern time here, 9 and 11, that's right, new time. And we will be, and producer Robbie West, we'll put those up in the live chat. We'd take the questions on either on YouTube or on Rumble. Okay, that's a lot of chit-chat. Okay, we have a few questions here and then we'll just get to it. Jackson, Ted, if Ben Gavir becomes the prime minister, will he'll nuke Gaza and destroy all holy sites in Jerusalem? Your thoughts as well, Jamarlem, and Robbie? The idea of Ben-Gavir becoming the prime minister of Israel is bone-chilling.

It's not to say that Israel is in good hands under Benjamin Netanyahu, far from it. But it is, oh, by the way, I should also remind everyone, tomorrow Benjamin Moser, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of anti-Zionism, a Jewish history, will be joining us in the 9 o'clock hour. To talk about his new book, I strongly recommend that you at least check, you know, maybe do a quick Google. search and find out what it's about. But the title is self-explanatory, and it is a serious eye-opener for anybody who's ever bought into the bullshit that, like, you know, all Jews or Zionists,

it's all Zionists or Jews, far from it. And it has not been like that for since the very, very beginning. So, I mean, I think this is maybe seriously, you know, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Columbia University. This is probably the biggest, the most effective thing that anyone will ever do to counter anti-Semitism ever is this book. And, okay, let's see. Oh, yeah, sorry, you should answer, you guys should answer Jackson's question about Ben-Kavir. Yeah, it's terrifying.

I mean, it would be honest. It would be honest. But as you point out, Dan Yahoo, in many respects, is a stranger than enough, moderate in comparison to some of the other creatures, such as Ben-Gavir. Yeah, it'll be, I mean, how dramatic of a nightmare could it be, I suppose. I mean, Nanyahu. Everything can get worse.

No matter how bad it is, it can always get worse. That is true. That is true. Robbie? Yeah, I don't know. I guess from my point of view, it will be honest. It would be honest. It's the face that they present to the world anyway.

I mean, I suppose he can nuke or try to nuke Iran. I suppose that. And this is getting worse. I mean, they're already taking Gaza. They're already following through on Bangavir's building ideas in regards to the settlements and everything else. They already protect settlers in the West Bank.

I suppose he can give them weapons and have the military go directly into the West Bank. Meaning, it could get worse. I don't doubt. Oh, yeah. How much worse could it get, I suppose? Yeah, I think that he would officially annex like Southwest Syria, the West Bank,

Gaza. I don't see him nuking anything because the ecological damage that would do to Israel would be pretty significant. But as far as- Then why do they have nooks? Then why do they have nooks? Maybe if they have nooks but can never use those nukes, then what's the point of having to know? Oh, you can 100% use them.

Yes, I'll use them right there on your border. I mean, that would be like. Oh, you mean against the West Bank or against God. I mean, as crazy as I am, not even I would nuke Tijuana. I mean, that would be, I think the word would be bad. So I wish Bingabir was stupid. He's not. He's very smart.

I prefer if he was stupid and evil, but he's evil and intelligent. So no, I can 100% see him like no, nooking around. Who's going to stop him? And if he does, what will Donald Trump do? What would the Russians do? What would the Chinese do? Absolutely nothing. I don't know.

I got to be honest, that's a blind spot to me. Like what the world does after. Because nukes are, that's like a third rail. It's a flashing red light, bright strobe light. Like a disco light for the gay bar in the mid-80s. Yeah, yeah. I don't think that countries would just be like, oh, well, I think it would be collectively losing your shit.

But I could be wrong. We just watch her committed, we just watch them committed a genocide and the world collectively yawned. No, I get that. Yeah, but that's also happened before. The world collectively yawned at previous genocides. right but this nukes have only been used in the course of world war two and at a time when you know they were brand new and nobody even we understand what nukes do because of eroshoa and nakasaki

so you know there was no red line in the sand because it was a complete like jtm with you i don't know i can't you know i mean look that's the thing right i'm really good at pattern recognition but there's no pattern here because we don't this has never happened before so we don't know know what would happen. I mean, it's like it might well be. Robbie could very well be right. Like a whole lot of, it could be a whole lot of nothing happening. But it could also be like, holy fucking shit. I mean, it could be anything in between. Well, I mean, people are going to freak out with the point is that I could do anything. First of all, the only nation on the planet I could think of that would retaliate if Israel used a nuke could be Pakistan. What would happen?

because India is so firmly in the Zio sphere. What would happen if Pakistan fired nukes at Israel? India would light them up and they know it. And they're not going to trade. Whoa. You don't think so? Do you think India would get involved if Pakistan goes after Israel? Because there's so many Zionists in India.

Oh, I don't buy that, Robbie. I don't know. Look, from my point of view, I do have a model for that. Countries are cynical entities. They function in their own self-interest. Unless there's some kind of weird ideological stuff, like answer Allah, on the normal circumstances, what is in our collective specific interests? If Iran gets attacked, Russia's not getting involved, despite the fact that Russia doesn't want Iran to fall. Pakistan also doesn't have its missiles don't have the range to strike Israel with any accuracy.

Wasn't in which case, then nothing would happen. Because if Pakistan can't strike back, the res rule is going to do nothing. nothing, they would, if Israel knew Tehran tomorrow, no one will do anything. Maybe an email would be sent. Well, I do not know. One will see. None would launch any and everything at their disposal to end the state of Israel. That's true. Meaning there will be no Israel after Israel does that. That's true. I don't think there would be. I think Iran would just go at that point is existential or bets are off.

Anybody that even. It's apocalyptic at that point. Yeah, it's apocalyptic. And, yeah, but beyond that, I don't know. Listen, I hope the children are right. This is one time I would absolutely love to. I think the Israelis know that. The Israelis obviously know that, too. All right, we should move on.

They do, they do. All right. So, let me want to talk, since we're on the topic of Iran. And by the way, thanks to Makkadin for becoming a member of the show. We appreciate you. So, all right. Should we talk about, let's talk about Iran. Okay. So security chief, let's take them one at a time, all right? So security chief, Mosin, Rezayi, has laid out a new set of conditions to end the war with the U.S. Now, one caveat here. He's one official. As we know, Iran has a multi-layered, a several-ladist governance structure. So this is not, it's not a dictatorship by any means. So there's no, you know, no one man necessarily.

But I think this is probably close to being 95% believable to the, like, this is where the Islamic State currently is. Okay. And just be clear, he is from the Supreme National Security Council. Right. So he has authority to speak on this issue. Yeah, he's the man that, what's his name, that, Haminae, what is it, Motad? I always mispronounce his first name, but Hamini, the Supreme Leader, put into a recent position. Right.

Common I 2.0. As a weapon, apparently. So, yeah. So these are mostly repetitive to the memorandum of understanding that basically the Trump administration immediately ignored as soon as they signed. But here we go. Number one. And this is, I would say, a harsher list of demands in all but one respect.

But an end to the war on all fronts, again with an emphasis on Lebanon. Okay, that is right out of the MOU. The release of all frozen funds that run into billions of dollars, the end of the naval blockade on Iranian ports, an end to U.S. interference in Iranian internal affairs, an end to all U.S. attacks on Iranian territory. Now, here's where there's the big difference. One thing is new and one thing is gone. What is gone is reparations, asking for reparations. And I've always said, that that was a throwaway because if they get their frozen funds back, they don't, you know, they de facto have money for reparations, right? Or just, they're not reparations, but they have money to repair all the infrastructure that the U.S. and Israel has destroyed. But a brand new thing is here. And it's funny to me that the mainstream media is missing this, an end to all U.S.

cooperation with opponents of our revolution. In other words, countries like Israel, countries like like Saudi Arabia, countries like Qatar. In other words, this is a big demand. It's like, well, we're going to let go of reparations, but we want the U.S. completely out of the Middle East. We want them to have, certainly they can be friends with anyone who's not an enemy of Iran, but if you're an enemy of Iran, no. This is off the table.

This is new, and I think it's a big deal. And I think we should spend some time, you know, going, going over it. Yeah. I strongly suspect that's going to be a throwaway also. You think? There's no way to enforce that. Like, meaning if the U.S. says, okay, we'll give you reparations, like not reparations, but we'll give you, I don't know, $50 billion back.

And we'll stop blockading your ports. But we want you to implement the deal with a wrong mind in order to open the straight, et cetera, et cetera. But and then Iran says, wait, wait, wait, wait. But we need you to stop cooperation with the Saudis and the Gulf countries and Israel before we stop the war. Does Iran really stake it all on that? Like, do you really go to die on that particular hill in order to get the war to stop? Now, if you think that you're in that strong of a position and your response is, well, if you don't do this, we're going to do what?

You're going to open strikes on those warships. You're going to open strikes on the thing. Iran is not attacking the United States currently. In the war, meaning it's not like Iran is prosecuting the war by continuing strikes. When the U.S. stops, Iran tends to stop. So it's like, so if the U.S. says, well, we're not going to stop by cooperation. What is Iran going to do? Well, they are attacking United States right now.

They're attacking us through the energy market. No, no, I get that point. No, what I mean is it's not like Iran is having military strikes against the United States. I mean, they could say, well, we're going to keep the straight of removes. shut, meaning if the U.S. would give you everything else. Ron says, no, we're going to keep the straight shut because you're continuing to work with Israel.

Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think it's because of Israel. I think it's because we, the United States, what, two or three times is attacked in the middle of peace negotiations and killed their negotiators and there's no trust. That's the issue. It is that we have, well, I completely agree. And so if that's the case and the fact that the Houthis just slagely, I have to Saudi Arabia out yesterday.

I mean, they've had their capital, for God's sake. Iran's got the cards here. They can force this. And all they got to do is just wait until a new Congress comes in and says, listen, the price of diesel gets up to $12 a gallon. Price of gas gets up to eight. And if you want that, if you want that pain to end, you need to stop. You need to stop playing God in the Middle East.

You should go home? I know, but rather. They can force that. Also, but this is not one side. It's not like we're the ones that are only experiencing pain. They are also experiencing pain as a result of the blockade on their ports, and not to mention going after their ships. I mean, they may be willing to tolerate it, true.

And they may be willing to accept it, especially considering it's existential. But you have, to be polite, a reformist government that is in play, despite the fact you have the hard line from the standpoint of the National Security Council and the hard line, and stuff I can write all the way through this. But if they could get a deal, they're going to try to get a deal. I mean, even the, Rayezy, I think that's the way you pronounce his name, the one that Ted was talking about. Even he, when he's talking about, he's like, this is what's necessary for us to start negotiations, meaning we are open for negotiations, providing the terms are right. And under normal circumstances, these are maximalist terms.

Like when I give you my terms, I'm giving you my maximalist terms. Sure. I suspect these are maximalists. and there are parts of this that they're willing to deviate from it's like the Russians they're like well we're going to take all of this territory we need to get rid of the Nazis and we need to get rid of this and then they have the Alaska format and Putin is acceptable he would have taken a deal regardless of all the maximalists of stuff that's coming out of them this is the same way some of this stuff is maximalist some of the stuff they're willing to accept or they're willing to ditch I don't think so I think here's the difference is because the United States opened up this war that the illegal war of aggression. We tried to decapitate their government. We killed their supreme leader. We killed his entire family. We have been been Israel's attack dog for years. And if you want to weaken Israel, you've got to get the United States out. And so it would be like, no, for example,

no, your, your Ukraine example, it fits with one problem. What would have happened if the United States had assassinated Putin and we're dealing with his successor? That's the difference. But these are not the same countries. Russia is much stronger of a country than Iran. Russia has much more resources. Russia could deal with the sanctions than being taken off the swift, meaning Russia withstood all of that. I agree.

Iran, it might have withstood it, but it doesn't have the industrial base. It doesn't have the military capacity. It doesn't have any other weapons I can go around the world. But it's more aggressive. No, I agree, but they have a more aggressive form. They're more aggressive as a people, as a point that I make. For example, the Russians could put this war to bed four years ago. They didn't. Why?

Because they're playing it safe, niddling around the edges, trying to eat the elephant one bite at a time. Iran cannot do that. For one thing, it's an existential threat for them. For another thing, we tried to decapitate their country. President Trump threatened. He said that entire civilization will die tonight. We're talking about a country. It's 4,000 years old.

Well, speaking of which, we have to just mention the fact that Trump has said something similar. again yesterday, where he said that he's musing about if and when do I blow up the entire nation up, in other words, Iran. Well, the reporting is that NBS had begged Trump over and over again. In fact, he had bit the Chinese, the Pakistanis, the Iranians. He had begged pretty much anybody that would listen, please get Ansuala off of our ass. Please, he's still begging. And as you pointed out, they hit Riyadh, they were hitting.

on stations and they continue to advance. Yes. Trump, apparently on Thursday, according to the New York Times, was considering strikes on Ansor-La. And up until the point of Sunday, backed off at the last minute. They were saying that the planes have been loaded,

the bombs have been loaded, and at the last minute Trump effectively backed off. We have limits also. I guess my thing is the fact that the basic point that I'm trying to make is that the civilian government still seems to be open to some sort of negotiation.

Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong on this. I don't know if, we'll see. Maybe you're right. I mean, look, if the U.S. is roundly and radically defeated and there's a financial crash, and the United States is like, okay, we need to pull back. It may be a good. I think the financial crash will be early next year after the elections. I don't think it's coming before.

I think the analysts are waiting to see how things play out in the midterms. And I think then when we head into divided government, which we surely will, they're going to see there's absolutely no hope for any kind of resolution to the financial crisis. And also by then the oil prices are going to be that much higher. All the chickens will be coming home to roost all at the same time early next year. And that's when we're going to see it, unfortunately. But all the price only going to get so high. Well, the reason why is because what you're going to end up with is companies just going belly up. Right.

There will be reduced demand. We saw that during the pandemic when the global economy collapsed and the price of- I mean, I bought gas for $1.75 in Ohio during that period. I used to my gas for $1.75. And $1.50. I remember when gas used to be $1.50 in Richmond. I'm so much older than you. when I was a little kid, gas was a quarter a gallon.

And there were gas wars where there would be like four gas stations on a corner. And there'd be a sign that said, gas war, 23 cents a gallon. Fuck those guys across the street. Come over here. I swear to God, that's true. Jesus. Wow. A quarter.

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, that was in the very early 70s before the OPEC crisis. So, okay, well, we do have to talk about, well, Let's do some comments and then we'll... Wait, by the way, you didn't give you a take on that. What did you think of going on with this? Like, meaning this, whether or not...

Well, we can go to comments. No, go ahead, go ahead. Well, no, it was just... Robbie gave you sake, I gave me my take. Oh, it was secure but yours. Yeah, I can be wrong. Look, I think... But whether or not they're stick to it to this last point.

Oh, well, I mean, look, I thought it was... Let me put it this way. I think I might a la carte this. I might say, listen, we're going to need to see, in the end, a greatly reduced U.S. footprint in the Middle East, particularly we're going to need to see you pull back from Israel. I think if I were them, I would hold out for a reduced U.S. military and financial support for Israel.

And the reason is because, look, from their point of view, Israel started this war. It was Israel's idea. And Israel said, hey, Trump, you want to tag along? So from their point of view, it's like as long as, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you two crazy kids are driving around the town and, you know, knocking down mailboxes and raising cane, we're going to have to separate you two. You can't sit together in class anymore and you can't hang out behind the dumpsters at the

7-Eleven anymore. You guys can't have as much to do with each other anymore. you guys aren't good together for everybody else, right? So if I'm the Iranians, I'm saying, like, you know, I can't, it's like Israel is America's dog and they can't have, you know, America's dog well-armed and right there, you know, instead of thousands of miles away across the Atlantic Ocean, right there, up their ass. It's been too much. And it's like, I think if I'm the Iranians, it's almost more important to me to, to,

have the Israelis off my ass than it is to have the U.S. off my ass. So, you know, because, I mean, a lot of this, if I'm working with the Iranians internally, I'm saying, look, a lot of this goes away by itself and you don't have to worry about it. Like, I mean, the U.S. is definitely going to reduce its footprint in the Gulf because, you know, they got their ass kicked by Iranian drones and missiles and like so much infrastructure and people were killed. And they now know that what those are in certain policy of encirclement is obsolete it's 20th century cold war politics it does in the drone age it doesn't work anymore now all you're doing is creating easy targets for us to hit with our you know short to medium range um you know weapons so if i'm but but i would say the israel

thing i've got to have that i don't necessarily need you to not talk return the mbs's phone calls anymore, but I need you to be slow at returning Netanyahu's calls. I think that's important if I'm them. I would care about it. I would push for it. And even if in the end, you end up, like, letting it go in a peace negotiation in the long run, because you get everything else you wanted, the message has still been sent by the fact that you insisted upon it. It's going to be like, look, for future presidents, it's like this is a destabilizing, potentially war-causing relationship. I think, you know, we've talked about this before. I think I'm more optimistic than most. I think the U.S. Israeli relationship is clearly, I think we can all agree it's doomed. The question

is just how long will it last? You know, there's no world in which this is go. The current status quo is here in 50 years, right? That's impossible. So the only question now is, well, does this die in five years, 10 years, 15 years? I think it's going to be five to 10 years. It's within in five to ten years, the U.S. is going to have a lot less to do with Israel than it used to. I think the next generation is so poison that it will be hard for the next generation to be okay. Exactly. Yeah, no, I mean, and the numbers are so clear. I mean, it is, I mean, like. And by only, not just Democrats. Like across the board. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Israel basically has about 20-ish percent among the American people. that support is soft, right? In other words, it's like, even among the, you know, that 20%,

how many of those people are really hardcore? Some, but, you know, it's pretty squishy. I mean, that tide is running out. It's going to be down to single digits in no time. And, you know, who wants, I mean, you know, sure, like NAFTA only had 30% approval, but that's not 4%. You know, it's like they can only ignore the will of the people to a certain extent, not not completely. Like, To a great extent, but all right. So, all right, we have, let's see. Okay, some more comments. Macadam, thanks for the dollar, new member.

Opponents of the revolution are traditionally the M.E.K. Who are currently based in the U.S. Yes. And I think it was Petraeus. Maybe it was Petraeus. It was one of these generals where they asked them like, I think Tucker calls somebody even did it. But basically they asked them like, hey, weren't you getting money from the M.E.K?

And he was like, well, you know, I gave speeches there. So you're supporting a group that has been paying you, right? But you're not necessarily disclosing all that much that you're backing these groups. And this was when Ms. Lindsay was on stage saying we're going to be celebrating. It was either Lindsay and Graham or John McCain, one of them, we're going to be celebrating in Tadon. And he was speaking at an M.EK engagement. Like these people are like lunatics. Yeah.

I mean, they were considered to be. They were at one point considered at, and that's like a terrorist group. But I guess my point is, yeah, they back these loons, as if these guys have any political power. They have no political power in the wrong. Yeah, we always, well, we always make our future, as we know, we always make our future enemies. We wouldn't have any enemies if we didn't make them. F you, so, thanks for the dollar. Isn't both in Iran and Saudi Arabia a member of Bricks now?

Yeah. Yes. They should dump the West, make peace and trade. Stocking horse. This is the problem with Brits. Like, this is the problem with Bricks. Like, honest the guy, I know some people are triumphalist about this stuff. But when you look at the organization, A, the organization seems to be a defenseless baby.

It's laying in a crib and Donald Trump is trying to strangle it right before it even gets out of the crib. Two, you have countries in there that have close relationships with the United States, maybe frame relationships, considering Saudi Arabia probably feels abandoned right now. But for all intents of purposes, these close relationships, despite the fact that the organization of Brits seems to be. trying to move in a different way. Embridge. This was the other story for Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia dumped in bridge. Now, to be fair, they had stopped working on this project back in 2025, but they

only released that they were dumping it now, which is at the exact same time Donald Trump was deliberating on whether or not they hit Answera, meaning these guys are stocking or somehow they're going to have to figure out how to settle this. I mean, even the UAE thing, where the UAE was directly related to attacking Iran. And when they were finally in a meeting together, the foreign ministers get into this argument back and forth because their countries are technically at war. Well, not technically, but as a technicality de facto. De facto, right. Yeah.

De facto at war. So, yes, both of them are part of Brits. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, no, and I couldn't agree more. Now, I mean, part of, I mean, I don't know if it's a, I mean, do you think it's a, bricks has been pretty much open to all comers. I guess I don't know if the U.S. were. to apply, whether they would be admitted. But, you know, otherwise, it's pretty much come one,

come all. Most of the world's nations are now members of BRICS. Would, is that a, is that a strength or a weakness? I mean, at a certain point, if you're open to everyone, then are you anything? What defines you? What separates you? What sets you apart? Or is it, you know, is there strength in numbers? I don't, I can argue it either way. I don't have an answer for that one. Because you can make an argument that, okay, we have 46% of the world economies. And again, for a lot of people who have this idea that bricks is this idealistic entity, it's not. It's a realist construct.

All that the countries are there because it's in their best interest to be there. And they believe that this gives them a better share of dealing with the larger world. It's not ideological. It's not like the Soviet Union, right? But we're going to put money in Africa. Or the non-aligned, the non-aligned. packed. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not that. It's, these countries are in it to make financial decisions that are in the best interest of their country. And they believe that this organization gives them a gateway to do that in a way that is not part of this kind of G7 stuff, this established order. It's just that. I mean, even the name G7, it all, every time I hear it, it serves to me as a reminder of exactly, of its exclusionary nature. I mean, it was the G8. And they threw Russia out.

And it's like every time I hear that, I'm just like, oh, yeah, that happened. And they haven't made it right. And even if they had made it right and invited Russia back, I would still remember. But the fact that they haven't, it's crazy. Yeah. And Russia made the point, look, 48% of the world economies here, bricks. And you guys are calling yourself the G7. It's like, you guys are out of touch.

Like the bulk of the world is over here. And yeah, Europe's irrelevance is pretty prodigious. It just is. They don't seem to grasp it. I mean, they still go over this colonial empire stuff as they're being colonized by the U.S. as the U.S.A.S. screen. Right.

No, that's, no, no. By the way, just a reminder for people, because a lot of people are here who were not here at the top of the show, this is the new schedule is now in effect. So we're going two hours today all the way until 11 a.m. Eastern. We've still got an hour in 25. minutes left in today's show. We are, so it's 9 to 11, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and the old

9 to 10 schedule remains on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The emphasis in the last half of today's show, as it was in the old Q&A show, which is not happening. The Q&A show is actually the 10 o'clock hour, right? So just come in with your questions and we will attempt to have answers. Rodney, go ahead. It could be a strength. If you get something like Saudi Arabia moves to let's say the Russia Chinese angle. Because I get the sense of Saudi Arabia, yes, it's a puppet. But I think it sees the writing on the wall. Or at the very least, you would think it would see the writing on the wall.

If at all of the Gulf states shouldn't see the writing on the wall, the U.S. can't protect you. Like if Fat Tony, if I had made a deal with Fat Tony, fat Tony's walking by and says, hey, that's a nice bar you got there. Be ashamed of anything happy to it. And they'd be like, oh, Fat Tony, you know, there's very low crime here. I think I'll be okay. And then your windows are broken.

Somebody robbed as a register. And then Fat Tony comes back and says like, God, man, looks like this neighborhood's going to hell. Okay, Fat Tony, here's my money. Right. And then you find that Fat Tony starts a gang war. And your restaurant is getting bombed. And Fat Tony can't protect you.

Okay, then what do you think? In fact, Pat Tony is getting you into more trouble than you were before. He's not not protecting you. He's imperiling. And you can't sell your cookies because Fat Tony has started gang wars. Okay, so what do you think in that moment? A, you can't be protected. And Fat Tony is starting.

He's making your life worse. Yes. You've got to cut Fat Tony loose. But you're scared of Fat Tony. Because Fat Tony can still punch you in the notes. True. That's the problem. They'll find a way to gently figure that out.

Yeah, but then you're looking for new friends. I think that the G7 is just us living in old former glories. I mean, we can't, no, we can't rebuild the Francis Scott Key Bridge. We can't fix subways. We can't keep. some money into each other. We can't keep planes. The doors falling off mid-flight. Those are all real problems. Yeah. And it's just, it's symbolism. It's symbolic. It's, it's a relic of a bygone era.

And the ruling class just cannot accept the fact that the rest of the world has left them behind. But see, that's the wow part. All of this stuff is just the issue of where do you allocate your money? It's not magic. No. Like when China is, allocate, it's not like we don't have engineers in this country. It's not like we can't train engineers. I mean, we build all sorts of shit, right? It's, what do you want to put your money into? And how do you allocate that money in order to do whatever you want to do from the standpoint of your imagination?

If you want to have a hypertonal to go from California to Richmond, you can do that. You can do that. It's not like it's technologically impossible to do. And it's not like you don't have engineers in the U.S. that can do it. They just don't. It's always about this thing of how can we make a profit. Well, I don't know if I can make a huge amount of profit off of this. Okay, so you just don't do it.

Or how can this government-connected, you know, bro of the president, you know, make a short-term profit and grift for the next two to three years? That's literally it. We got a big, generous donation, $20 from a syphilitic, syphilitic royals. Sorry, when I put these up, they're very, very small. regular unleaded is now $4.30 in Miami. Yeah, the prices are definitely going up. 420 here in Richmond. And have you seen Marjorie Taylor Green?

She's been putting up post showing her pointing the gas and saying, look at what the gas prices. I have not seen. But yeah, they're just going to go. They're going to keep going up. One last point real quick about the Marjorie Taylor Green thing. She said that she had a conversation with Trump. And Trump told her those people that are talking about killing your kids and you would

deserve it. Like, meaning what, they were on a phone call. He was saying stuff like that to me. What? Yeah. At least she put it out in the post. I need to find that post, but she put that something. I mean, paraphrase it, but it was that.

I mean, I actually probably believe her. Wow. But I don't think she's lying. No, I don't think she's lying either. Okay. Daniel, if we keep electing hacks, nothing will change, man. People used to say we would never get into a war after Vietnam. How did that work out?

Okay, I have a question for Daniel and for everybody else who believes in this, like we can vote our way out of our current dilemma. Okay, how? I mean, that's a serious question, right? I mean, so you only have two major parties who are allowed to have meaningful power in this country. Okay. They're both corporatist, militarist, pro-Israel, et cetera, anti-national health care, et cetera. So how do you vote when your option is not, when your politics aren't on the ballot? Let's say your politics are free Palestine.

Those politics are not on the ballot in like a presidential election. And I always say this because it's a mind-blowing statistic. Between 60 and 70% of all local and state races in the United States are unopposed completely, which means to say there's only one party running for these, right? So you'll go and look at like a judge or a sheriff or, you know, state representative. And there's only a Republican or there's only a Democrat. There's not even the other pro-Zionist or, you know, pro-capitalist or whatever, you know, pro-free trade party. There's, it's all the same.

You tell me, how are we, when people say, like, well, we have the government we deserve, how do we have the government we deserve? I mean, the only way to change that government in a meaningful way is through a revolution, the violent overthrow of the state. But pending that in between those moments, when you have this two-party had, Gemini? How the hell are you supposed to vote your way out of it? I mean, I'm completely, it baffles me when people say that. It's like there is no half decent option on the ballot ever. So you don't think we have the government we deserve? No, we do not. I mean, unless you think that we should, and I do think, I do think we should overthrow the government, if you think that, like, when you say that, if you say, well, you deserve this because you're not overthrowing the government,

you don't have pitchforks and torches, then I'll agree with you. But I don't think people who say that are thinking about revolution. I think they're thinking about like you should vote better. And I don't think voting better. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that's what they mean. And I don't think voting better. Like, I vote great. If everybody who had ever voted for had won, we'd still be in the same exact situation we're in.

Because it's because on the big issues, I mean, There's differences of tone. And, I mean, for sure, you know, Democrats belong to the World Health Organization and we don't and we should. And that, you know, somewhat matters. But the point is that, like, on the big issues of war and peace and so on, I mean, both parties are identical. And so, I mean, you tell me how the fuck. No, we don't have the government that we deserve. How can we?

There's like, it's literally hilarious. It's like saying, you know, it's a restaurant that serves Pepsi or Coke. And they're like, and I'm like, well, I don't like Pepsi or Coke. Well, that's your fault because, you know, you don't vote for anything different. But there's only Pepsi or Coke on the menu. And I don't like either one. Yeah, but apathy is what I think we got the government we deserve. Meaning, I disagree with you on this.

I think we do have the government we deserve. I mean, the reality of it is, if you get a political system with them, The majority of the people get so accustomed to just, well, I'm going to put the guy in office, and I expect him to do the job. Okay, well, what's the job? They're 300 and 20 million people in the country. What's the job that you as an individual expect him to do? And he's going to go, and because there are so many people,

and because there's so many divided things that all of these people want, he gets a pass on doing pretty much whatever he wants. Now, you may try to take him out of office, but then we have a political system when 90% of the choices are decided by the cash. So at that point, it's like, okay, well, it seems like cash is the thing that's society, the electoral process. But the reality of it is, if there was a political issue that dug into the population, people would be less apathetic. If they came, for example, if one political campaign said, we are bringing back slavery and we want to put every black person in chattel slavery to help with the economic downturn, that we don't have to have migrants into the country. back to the old days.

What would part of the country do? Part of the country would lose its mind. Well, I would hope the whole country would lose its mind, but maybe not. I don't know. There's a good 13% that may think this is a great idea. I'm just saying. I think it would be more. I promise it would be more than that, yeah.

But my point is, like, the public will be Gavinized. It wouldn't be this thing of, oh, maybe I'll go and vote. you would get like 80% people going to the polling in order to vote for a very explicit point of saying, hell no. Meaning the apathy is on some level chosen. Okay, but in your enough, but you brought up two points here, and I'm going to take them in reverse order, which I often do. It's one of my major weird personality traits. You know, it's like, but in your, in this restoration of slavery, Octavia Butler, scenario.

It basically both parties would be in favor of it. Okay, that's, so that's what I'm done. No, in that scenario, one party is for it. The other party is against it. But I'm saying because it's such an important issue, the reality, if you're drawing an analogy to our current situation, that would look more like both parties were like, yeah, let's restore slavery. No, I'm not used to that.

So who do you vote for? How are you going to vote? I mean, so then. I'm only making this as an example of the public would get engaged. It doesn't have to be able to. Sure, but so what? I mean, the current, there isn't that kind of differentiating between the two major parties these days, you know, or maybe ever.

But, you know, certainly not now. I mean, there is no huge, that's a huge ass issue. I mean, there's no huge ass issue like that where there's major differences between the two parties. I mean, they're both deficit spenders. They're both, they both have, they're both imperialists. They're both war mong. They're, these are, those are big issues.

They're both climate change deniers. You know, Democrats will talk about climate change, but they won't do anything about it. So, I mean, they're all, they're both into starving the welfare state. But nobody wants to build infrastructure. You know, Democrats talk a little bit about it, but they don't do it. I mean, so it's just sort of, I don't know, but like, what was the first point you made?

Oh, I didn't want to miss the first point you made, which I think is, I think it's really profound. profound when you said like, okay, so we elect people and then we don't hold their feet to the fire. I think that's really huge. I mean, it's like that's a big difference between like the United States and like the people in most sort of representative elected system, electoral democracies like Western Europe. Like in other countries, you elect people, but then you don't think, oh, we're done for the next two to four years and I got to go work my three jobs now and you know, you pay attention. And like when your politician fucks you, which she ultimately always will,

you head out to the streets, you go on national strike, you break things, you burn, you burn cars, and you know, you hold their feet to the fire. It's not a perfect system, but it's certainly more engaged than ours. Right. I think my point is apathy is the issue. But apathy is a normal response to this too. But isn't apathy? Whoa, I think it goes both weights. Do you think it's a rational response? But yeah, but when a political system gets, yes and no, it depends whether it's the chicken or the egg. I mean, when a political system gets to the point where they just assume that the public is not necessarily going to get that much engaged or that assume that propaganda is going to be able to be enough.

But I think the key point is the society itself just kind of checks out of the process. And I don't know if that's a chicken or egg thing. I mean, you put somebody in office. Look, I would tell you, personally, when I have a purpose and objective, I'm very good. When I don't, I flounder. I don't know what to do. You have a public that seemingly is just kind of has no direction in regards to what it wants to accomplish in regards to government. And maybe this is your system.

Like, meaning the way the system is organized doesn't allow the public to get engaged or to fully know or to even hold politicians accountable because you have two political parties and you're either choosing Pepsi or Coke. Maybe you're right. I don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're winning me on to your side on this. I'm bothered by the apathy. The apathy is a thing that bothers me, which is why I think the apathy is rational. I mean, I think it's learned helplessness. I think if you have, you know, it's kind of like, you know, like one of the main purposes of the public school system is to teach apathy, right? It's like basically to tell you, this is the way things always have been and the way the things always will be. And so, you know,

And you learn there's a lot of, what is the first thing, what is the thing that adults, old people, always tell young people, like, dude, you can't change this. This is the way it's always going to, has always been. It's the way it always will be. And it's like, and so, you know, when young people rebel, which it's always young people, it's they ignore the older generation, thank God. And they go out and they break things and they try to change the world. But usually they find out that the old people were right.

And changing the world is hard, if not close to impossible. I don't know. I think it's like if you are, if you're like me, you're 63 years old, you've been voting since you were 18, and you see an election after an election after election after election, that it's all bullshit. I mean, of course you're apathetic. I mean, you know, I vote because of the ritual, not because I think it'll change anything. I know it won't change anything. In fact, things are only getting worse. I may agree with you, but the political system is not just voting.

And maybe that's where I'm... Right, politics. Okay, I'll say this way. Under the specific model that you gave of, if going to the voting booths is going to change something, I agree with you. The answer is to no. But our political system goes beyond just voting. Right. Agitation.

I mean, for God's like, the civil rights movement wasn't just voting. It was agitation, the women's rights movement. Gay rights, well, gay rights was willing race. That was a little bit different. But those things were pressure. Gay-Rite started out, you know, the big moat, you know, the stonewall uprising, right? I mean, violence was involved and required. Pressure against a political system, that political system, they change.

No, there's not one fell swoop where you change everything in one go. But the fact that the public has shown the propensity to do it means it can be done. It's just not. And maybe that's where I'm coming in. I'm changing my mind. on a specific thing of voting, I agree with you. But voting is not. We can't know.

No. It's the end process. Yeah. It's the end of process. Well, look, I think protests and demonstrations are super important. But again, only if there's no peace police, only if there's a credible threat of violence every time there's a peaceful protest. It has to always a protest has to be disruptive.

It has to be dangerous. It has to be threatening to the powers that be. Or it is toothless. as we've seen with the no kings rallies. But the no kings rallies are different. Those are just democratic rallies. Those aren't anything. Yeah, but a lot of people, including good lefties and progressives who I'm friends with,

they go to those street parties. Like you can, like, for example, if you can watch MSNBC and 25% of what they say, you would be like, oh, I agree with that because they just hate Trump, right? It's like, hey, I agree with you how bad Trump is. So yeah, when it's 25%, I may agree with you. Same thing with the No Kings were out. Those things are just entities in order to funnel people into the Democratic Party. Yeah.

But again, as you point out, voting for Democrat, it's not going to change it either. Nope. Here's the part that I think that you are both missing. How much small population is drugged? How much of them are on antidepressants? How many of them are on marijuana? How many of them are drinking? How many of them are just literally drugged out of their minds?

And there's no aggression left in the society. You can't have a violent protest if... Robbie, you are the impression. Well, think about what I'm saying. I mean, that's the issue. You're not wrong. I mean, back in the 1860s, you had 13 unique colonies. Really, what started the American Revolution was the Great Awakening.

And that was led by a handful of preachers who says, no, there is a limit to the power that a king has. that's unpopular thing to say now but I mean that's really what sparked it is the divine right of kings is crowd but this was the same issue in Australia this is the same issue like pretty much every colony comes up with the same thing the rich want to be untethered from the king because they want to be able to have their own thiefdom yeah they don't want to clear their taxes agreed but here's the thing that's different they want to collect the taxes instead is that is that how effective George Whitfield or sam Adams would have been if 80% of the people going to listen to them were on antidepressants and just looking forward to their next nap.

Well, I will tell you. It would never happen in the anti-war movement in the 60s. Those guys were stoners. I mean, they're still ready to get out and say, hey, we don't like the fact that you're murdering people in other countries. Well, there was a split there. But they did have different kinds of drugs, though. There was a split in the 60s between like the hippies and the new left, right?

And the new left were definitely, you know, I'm not saying they were, you know, sober, clean and sober, but they were more like drinkers and, you know, sure, people smoked meat, but they weren't sitting around. Yeah, and alcohol can sort of temporarily serve as a stimulant. Look, I think what Robbie brought up is actually hugely profound, right? I mean, the drinking water is full of SSRIs. The, you know, the, the, the, the drugs that have been legalized are all depressants, right? No stimulants. We, we are Mu-Cal. We're passive. And, And then there's also the prison industrial complex where there's been studies about like how one of the reasons that testosterone is dropping in the population aside from environmental causes is also because we're taking our most aggressive young men and putting them in locking them up where they don't reproduce. Right. And so we know that like the the people who aggression, we're basically breeding aggression out of the human race. And you know, and so people are like men are literally.

less hairy and less testosterone and all that stuff and less aggressive because, you know, aggression is what lands you in prison if you do street crimes. I don't know. I think there's a lot to it. I think there's a, you know, this is a Jared Diamond argument, right? Like just like a lot of what happens in politics is caused by environmental and medical and psychological and, you know, other kind of extraneous, even the way, you know, even the way things like toxic platolysmosis affects people. I mean, this isn't new. I mean, look at the opium wars.

This is a problem with Americans' unknowing history. The opium wars flooded China with opium. It destroyed the entire nation. It nearly ended the entire civilization. It was so bad. We're doing the same thing. And it led to the rise of Chinese nationalism. It did.

It did. And it took a hundred years to overcome. That's why the Chinese are, that's what they haven't forgotten. So, oh, well, how can you? They're like never again. We're not letting that shit happen again. Yeah, never forget that. Carving the Chinese melon, the Brits called it.

And now here we have big pharma paying ads with their lobbies, flooding all these drugs into the American population. And then you wonder why there's, no one's out in the streets, you know, raising hell about clocks cameras and stuff. There's something because we are stolen out of our mind. I see all in the chat with Robbie is out of his mind. Maybe so. But give me another example. I mean, but okay, you may like this example, but BLM, Black Glass Matter, people out in the streets, people all... Quantum singularity, though, right? Do you remember, you remember why? No, I do, but I'm trying to make the point of sense.

But not because it wasn't the cause, right? It was the time. It's COVID. I mean, literally, the... Oh, you're trying to say if there was no COVID, people wouldn't do it. that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that like people were literally they didn't have to go, they didn't have jobs to go to, right? So they were free all day long. I mean, okay, this is one guy, but it kind of woke me up to this. I was parking my car.

There were BLM protests every single day in New York City at that time. Thank fucking God. Every day, seven days a week. By the way, that's what a sustained protest looks like. That's a real protest. That really holds the authorities feet to the fire. like, oh, this isn't like, you know, on Saturday morning, you know, every four months, you know, with a parade permit. This is like, things are spicy, right?

Windows can get broken. Stores can get looted. We have to, we, this is a, this is worrisome, right? This affects our tax base. This affects our bottom dollar, which is all we fucking care about, right? So anyway, this guy's walking down the street and, and he was on this way to or from the protest. And he's just, we started talking. And he's like, he goes, ah, he goes.

He goes, there's nothing else to do, man. No Yankees game, no work. Like, this is the only game in town. And we both, and we fist bumped, right? And it was like, that's, and it was like, that's exactly right. It was the only game in town. It's sort of like people, you know, I went to a stoning in Kabul back in 2000. And it was on Fridays, right?

And like, I remember going and talking to people, like, why do you go do this? And they're like, there's no movies. there's no concerts. This is the only game in town. It's the only entertainment, right? You said you went to a stoning? I went to a stoning, yeah. Somebody was getting stoned.

To death, yeah, by the Taliban. Who was it? Do you know who the person was? I'm sorry to take that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I absolutely do. Yeah, it was a guy who he raped and killed a young woman, and he was guilty, for sure. And they brought him out to a soccer stadium,

and they stoned him to death. And the audience joins in, audience participation. No, no, no audience participation. This was a big soccer match and it was like the mullahs did it. So, yeah. Wow. I've seen a few of them. And the point is literally when you talk to people about why they were there, they were like, it's the only entertainment.

Like so seriously, no COVID, BLM is a shadow. Okay, because people have to be at work. You know, I mean, it's not to say that they're at. assholes, people need to, they need to pay their bills, right? But if there's no, but if there's no job anyway. So like, you free people up, you know, UBI, this might be one of the reasons the authorities don't want UBI is because they're worried things might get spicy in the streets, you know. They don't want to pay, they don't want us to have free time. They want us to be tied up. And, you know, like to Robbie's point, they want us, you know, drunk and stoned and, and,

and sedated and busy all at the same time and just not fucking with their bank accounts. No, I trust. Yeah, I agree with them. I agree with them. I agree with them. I agree with So guys, just a reminder if you're joining us. We still have another hour left to go on today's show. D-Program is here Monday through Friday 9 a.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. We go all the way until 11 a.m. That's a brand new thing. The regular old schedule stays on Tuesdays and Thursdays. TMI show comes up those days.

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And we appreciate you guys sticking around. Again, we will be here until for another 59 minutes. thank you for that. All right. So a few more comments and we'll do hit some more comments, some more stories. F you so, right on, Ted, you sound like me and everyone hates me too for it. Yeah, I'm kind of used to being hated for my opinions. Maybe blue funk, she says, capital isn't tied to geography. The money will move, but we can't, of course, we can't, of course, borders. Yeah, my ex-wife pointed that out back in the early 90s. We went to a seminar about NAFTA, which was a new thing, you know, at UC Berkeley. And they explained it and we walked out and I was like,

oh, wow, it's very complicated. And she goes, no, it's not. She's like, capital moves freely. It can go anywhere. Yeah, it can chase low, you know, low wages, anywhere it wants to go. And we are stuck. Even if we didn't have international borders, even if we had one world government, we'd still have ties of culture and family and language to where we were. We would never be mobile. But with borders were certainly not mobile. I mean, I can't say, I can't look at a spreadsheet of the world's highest salaries and say, okay, I'm going to go move to that country because they have the world's highest salaries and the best benefits. I can't become a citizen there. I can't move there. So she's right. Macadon, did the BLM protest to achieve anything? Thanks for the dollar.

It's a good question. At first, they seemed to initially, like the city of Minneapolis had said that they were going to defund the police and all that. And within, I'd say, about a year and a half, all that shit was gone. I mean, thing is, with protests, you need demands. I mean, and again, this goes back to the apathy argument thing. It's one thing if the public had a specific demand. This is what we want. BLM, their demands weren't stuff that most black people wanted.

Like, I, I, and what I mean, like, because it became very political, as opposed to being very specific in trying to accomplish, uh, up with a particular objective was, if you say we wanted to fund the police, look, I would tell you, there are a lot of old people, there are a lot of black people who live in areas where they're like, you are out of your mind. What we want is for them to treat us equally. The same way they treated that woman on the jury, that white woman, who killed all of her kids. Treat us like that. Treat us equally. Treat us. That's what, that's ultimately what is wanted. Yeah, don't treat us like where the, you know, don't treat us like enemy occupied territory.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Those are different things. Yeah, that, that shit to protect and to serve on the side of the police of the squad car, do that. Do that. It's like, yeah, that'd be awesome. Do that part. Even from other people like you, do that. Right. I've only seen one case where a woman, it was a black one, a police officer, a guy, beat the shit out of the guy, an old guy. And she went over to him and she says, look, you need to contact. I think she called him investigative services or something like that. And basically it was like, this guy is out of balance.

And if I'm not saying, they prosecuted the cop for doing it. But that's like few and far between. Few and far between. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Got to get your thoughts about the arch. I have mine.

So Trump says that it's not going to just be a 250-foot triumphal. arch full of guilt, this and that, next to the entrance to Arlington National Cemetery. But it's going to be a top-grade military complex with drones, snipers, and ammunition, and all this. Okay, it's being speculated that this is partly to get congressional approval. Because if it's got the military in it, I mean, hell, I know. Can we have national health care, but it's going to have drones, ammunition, and snipers in it? That would work for me. Can we have a high-speed rail, but there's going to be drones and snipers in each train?

So as it goes through the country, it can shoot like bad people. That'd be cool. Flamethrowers. Man. Like, how does the public see this and not burn the White House down? They should. How? Like, they would do January 6 over some made-up shit.

Right. Right. You know, all these angry, for lack of the best, all these angry white people. running to the White House fighting, putting cops in the ER. But not on real stuff. No. Like on stuff like this was like, hey, guys, you spent $10 trillion, your $40 trillion. Okay, well, tease that out, Jamarle, please.

Because like, you know, when you say, okay, so the arch is not real stuff. I mean, look, I got to say personally, I think I know for a fact, this is just Trump trolling. Right. I mean, that's all it is. It's just bullshit. So, I mean, when you say, I mean, the reason I think people should burn down the, I mean, I kind of, you know, project my own thoughts on this. Well, why should Americans burn down the White House in response to something like this? Because literally, our prices are going through the roof.

Our wages are dropping through the floor. We're losing our jobs. We're miserable. The polls show it. We're broke. You don't care. You think it's funny. You're lining your pockets and you don't give a shit about us.

And this is the kind of shit you're spending time and energy on. Every time I look at the president's Twitter feed, I'm always like, you don't care about us at all. All you care about is your own stupid shit that is stupid. I mean, that's why I would burn down the White House, but how about you? Yeah. You nailed it. I mean, it's that. I mean, like when I see him walk out and he puts like these stupid AI cartoons,

where he would be like, there was one in particular way. It was like the Gulf of America. And then he starts dancing. in the cartoon. And I'm like, you are losing two wars. You've just spent like $40 billion on a war that you have fundamentally lost and have no way to get out of. Oil prices are going through the roof. What are you doing?

And then the American public, I think to myself, how are you this disengaged when this is what's going on? Like, meaning that $40 trillion, it seems that the American public just fundamentally miss what you could have spent that money on. And what did you get for the $40 trillion? And when you look at it and you find, oh, wait, we didn't get anything for the 40 trillion. That should be infuriate. That should be inferior. Think of how much money that is. No, I know.

I did a AI search yesterday in preparation for this show of all the shit that, like, you know, $43 billion would pay for. I mean, you know, it's all you can imagine. I mean, literally, okay, for example, it would go along. Just that $43 billion would have gone a long way to catching ups up. on all the infrastructure maintenance that's been deferred maintenance that the, you know, architecture and very other societies have said we needed to do, we'd be pretty much in good shape. We would be like 90% okay as opposed to being 20% okay by the end of it. And, you know, this is, and if you did this on a regular basis, like you did it every year,

you know, you can, I mean, obviously you can fully fund head start, which has been gutted. You can send kids to, you can send, you can send, you can send kids who are smart enough to get into good colleges. You can send them to those colleges so they can afford to go. You can, you know, put a big dent in, you can expand Medicare for all, maybe down to age 40. You know, there's lots of stuff you could do. And they just, you know, this is how they want to just spend their money. Our money. Yeah, it's a waste.

And you can say, well, okay, well, who do you vote for to deal with that? And I would agree with you. nobody that's not a voting thing that's a that's a breaking thing thing yeah that's a burning down thing i mean and i think this why sanders was so popular i think this is why trump hardly enough ironically it was so popular people were perfectly fine we're breaking the system in the way that it worked but totally obviously trump is not the guy who's going to break it he's just going to add lasers to the alligators at the swamp right well at least and i haven't seen any aligators but i want those Alligators and the river just because it's going to be awesome.

I mean, he's such a little boy. I mean, he's having a great time. You know, it's like when you go see a band and, you know, their eyes are twinkling and they're having a great time and they're jamming. They're having a good time. And that's nice if you're a fan. But like the thing is only Trump and his buddies are having a good time. And we're not having a good time.

And like that's, that sucks. Well, he's making billions of dollars. These me like $4 billion. dollars, which is again, another reason why you think yourself, why don't they burn the shit down? Like, you see that and you think yourself, okay, my life is getting harder. And he is literally enriching himself off of the office, WTF. I mean, and maybe it's an individual thing, like the fact that people consider themselves individuals. So all of the choices are made individually and you don't speak to your neighbor.

So you don't talk to your neighbor. You guys aren't necessarily. But meaning you have this kind of ethereal thing of being on the same page because 80% of the public disagree. or 60%. But what does it mean in real human terms in regards to trying to actually do something? And no, the one king rally nonsense is dumb. It's dumb. If you did it every day. And it was day after day, kind of like the Yellow Vest movement in France. Yeah. Didn't his legs. That is dangerous. So dumb. No, King's thing. Oh, my God. So, yeah, BLM, when they burned down the police station, it wasn't even a police station. It was like an old police records depository that used to

be a police station. I was like, oh, now things are happening. Like, you know, like, okay, this is, this is a move in the right direction. We're not quite there, but like, okay, I can get behind this now. Like, you know, so, all right, so guys, just, we're now in the Q&A section of the show. Okay, so let's talk about, let's do, hit a few more comments. Kilroy, Sonali is still bitching about y'all on her Facebook. F. Y, what a flame. the C word she turned out to me. What is she saying? You know,

Kant is literally like the last word that still shocks, I think. You know, it's like, the fuck doesn't do it anymore. But that's like the last one where it's like, whoa, whoa. You know, serious word. Using that one,

Beverly Hills Housewives. One of my favorite people on the show, Dorit, my mom hates her. My mom hates her. Mom hates the reason. She's like, she's, right? She's like, she's, runs her mouse, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Love Dorit, right? And she called her. call that girl a C word and everybody was like, oh my God. Everybody like like, oh my God, she's using this word like this. Yeah, it's, I don't know why it shocked so much though, but yeah, it's, it's, some reason that is the, you know. So now that's just working it. That's all it is.

It's like. You think so? Or do you think she's really bothered? I mean, let me put it this way. She got, she got the apology. That's it. You're like, you don't get, come on, have you ever had that thing with a person where they, I hate to say, where it's like, you know, you screw up. And then, you know, you tell them, okay, I'm sorry, you're right.

I shouldn't have done that. And they just won't let it go. And okay, at that point, they become the asshole because it's like, you know, what are you supposed to do? You can't go back in time like Superman. I mean, what are you going to do? Sorry? Just let me apologize. I don't have to accept it.

That's true. You, um, true. You hit my car. You cost me $10,000. And then you don't want to pay for it. Well, that's not an apology. That's not a real apology. A real apology is, you know, hey, let me know where I should send the check.

Yeah, but, okay, I assume you mean, I assume you. You know, I mean, there's nothing more you can do. There's a monetary damage there. So that's penance. That's like, that's restitution. Like you, you know, I bombed your country. Like, okay, well, I should pay to make it better. and I should probably...

Yeah, but if you apologize for it, they don't have to accept your apology. No, they don't. But even if you pay to make it better, it doesn't mean they're going to feel so kind of way. You murdered a bunch of people. Why should you be okay with that? No.

They don't have to accept. Yeah, but if all you did was insult someone, then honestly, it's not that grievance. You know, you don't have to accept it, but that's on you, you know? I mean, it's your choice. It's certainly you're right not to accept. If they said something about a dead family member

that you loved greatly, I mean, I accept it. Look, I'll take you for me I got into argument with somebody on the show And she flamed out Left on air And I was like, what the fuck? And I know it was kind of like

And I stayed to talk to the audience, by the way With somebody playing out on my show, I talked to you. You can't dip out of your own show Can't dip out You can't dip out You got to stand into political pressure, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The audience, anytime there's a fight,

there's usually a break with the audience. There's going to be some that agree, some disagree. And they're going to be animated. And it's like, you can't dip out. You've got to stand in the political pressure and take that shit. And I remember, and this was the show where I was like, I don't give a shit with my audience things.

Like, you're not going to use my audience to try to make your point. You make your point. I don't care what they think. I care what you. The argument is. And I remember she apologized a few days later. And I didn't talk to her for a year. So you didn't accept her apology for your apology.

I did have to give her an apology for the apology. A year later, when I got back, I was like, look, I'm sorry. And because at a certain point, it felt like, okay, dude, you want to bury this. But it's been so long that now it's awkward to do. It became that. Yeah, we have compound interest as accrued. Right, right. And I was like, hey, I just want to apologize.

Look, I'm sorry. It took so long. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. It was my show. I don't, my show is sacred. I don't, you know. No, I hear you.

I hear you. F.E. So, Trump's arch should be the McDonald's golden arches, have a drive-thru window, too. Well, at least it would be useful then. Democrats should rename it. The Trump Epstein arch. Something like that. They just add the two names.

I got it. Totally, totally. Frazel Deropi, guys, the combination of that guest, in addition to Robbie or people like me is toxic. Please invite Mark Frost instead, okay. That's great. Sure, we'll invite. We can have it.

We can have him on. Jackson, Ted, why do you think there's been no Snowden type leaks on Epstein? And also, all videos of the IDF war crimes. Well, the videos of the IDF war crimes, you can just go speak. Yeah, I was going to say you can just like subscribe to, To any IDF soldiers feed on Facebook or X. And they're all there bragging. And, you know, I mean, they can't get enough of it.

They're showing themselves looting, abusing Palestinians, usually blowing buildings up, wearing the local people's clothes, you know, I mean, making fun of Islam. Yeah, I mean, their war crimes are all there to be seen. They've raped the guy on camera. Yeah. God's sake. Yeah, true. So that's not a problem.

I mean, why have there been no Epstein-like leaks? I mean, sorry, no Snowden-like leak. Well, first of all, the Snowden leaks, you know, poor Ed Snowden. He, you know, he tried to start a national or international conversation on, you know, illegal domestic surveillance of American citizens by the NSA and other security agencies and failed, right? Like, you know, nobody cared. I mean, literally, God knows how much worse it's gotten. Nobody cared, right? So he tried. He gave us that chance. And now he's, you know, I mean, he's stuck in Russia for his, for his trouble, you know, and can't come home. I mean, God, it's, I mean, it's shameful. That's an example, by the way, of what I mean about there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans, right? Like a Democrat, well, I mean, both Democratic and Republican presidents have let him stay stuck in Russia. If I were president, I would give Snowden, you know,

carte blanche come back home all it's forgiven uh we will give you a you know a parade down down broadway you know you know like you know and you and a star on hollywood boulevard while you're at it um you know it's it's it's ridiculous um so yeah why has there been well i mean for the epstein files i mean the documents you know trump has the documents right i mean the department of the you know jeanine piero has the documents she's sitting on them and they've only released half of them. Again, to your point, Jamarrow, the American people haven't agitated to get them. If there were riots in the streets and said, we want to see the other half of these documents, non-redacted, you know, they would do that. But there's no pressure at all. I mean,

I mean, you don't need a leak because, I mean, the documents are already available. We know they exist. We just don't really know what's in them. And it's accepted that he did it. meaning the government fundamentally accepts that he was a rapist of kids. And then it's this kind of weird, strange phenomena of all of these politicians effectively defending pedophiles, which is very protest. Like, you think that that would be just outrageous. Because what we get in this country is, well, the polls show that 80% of the public is against Donald Trump, protecting a pedophile.

Okay, but that's not really pressure. That's esoteric. Yeah, that's just an opinion. That's an opinion. Yeah. It's just very strange. You can have an opinion, right? But it's like how much you care about that opinion?

True. Right. Do you do anything about the fact that there is an opinion? It's the apathy again. Like, it's just, it's over the top on all of these issues. It is, it is. And, oh, well, let's talk a little bit about Greenland and Denmark. Is it okay if I read?

repeat what your response was when I posted this. So when the news broke over the weekend that Denmark had signed off on this U.S. security agreement that Trump's been bragging about gives perpetual U.S. control and veto power over basically the foreign policy of Greenland. And we'll be able to come and go as we please with our military and so on. I'm not sure what the details actually say. And once we get in, we, you know, get under the hood and see it might differ from what the president, how the president characterizes it. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. But that said, Greenland and Denmark have not denied what Trump had to say. And, you know, your first response was cucks. And I was like, yeah, I mean, after all that, right? Like the Greenlanders and the Danes were literally, you know, mining. the airstrips in nuke, they were prepared to fend off an American invasion. And this is how it all ends. I mean, what the fuck?

I mean, why didn't the Danes just say, I mean, even if the Danes were willing to sign a security agreement with the U.S., why not just say, guys, we'll just wait until Trump is gone. We'll do it with the next president, whether it's a Democrat or it's Vance. But we, on principle, we can't give Trump this win. after the way that he treated us. Trump should have asked to have sex with the prime before, but not prime minister.

He should have went further. He didn't ask for enough. That's where I'm at. I mean, if they're willing to give over it like this, I mean, this is pathetic. I mean, the reality, because they might have given her over. Okay, after deliberation, we've allowed this, but these are acts that we're allowed.

And, you know, this stuff is just not allowed. That, like, it's insane. Like, they, Trump has no claim to Denmark. he has no claim to Greenland. He has no claim to any of this stuff. He is just asserting that's what I'm going to want. And I'm going to take it one way or the other, meaning effectively threatening military force. They should have made him use military force.

Yeah. If this, if it, if it. It's like bring it. You're going to invade Greenland, do it. Which is why I kept saying, I want to see Trump do it. Because I don't believe he's going to do it. No, he's of course not. Obviously not.

He may. I mean, like it's. Like, it's Trump. Because the issue is, what is Greenland going to do about it? What is Denmark going to do about it? Are they going to say this is an Article 5 issue? Well, the U.S. is already an Article 5. Meaning, how are you going to repel the U.S. from doing this if the U.S. puts

his mind to doing it? Not to mention under Article 5, the U.S. would be obligated to come to the defense of Greenland against us. Yes. Right. Yeah. So my thing was like, okay, well, what are they going to do about it? I want to see that.

That shit's exciting. I was very punitive towards Europe because from my point of view, it's like you've watched him do this to Venezuela. You've watched him try to do this to Iran. And now you're all of a sudden up in arms now that he's doing it to you. So why should I care about you? I don't care about you in this case. I want to see Trump do it. Well, he was able to get them to effectively just hand it over.

And to be fair, to Greenland, most of the stuff is already under the U.S. auspices anyway because they're part of NATO. Like the idea that in a NATO country, China and Russia was going to build bases. It's just nonsense. Like none of this, the stuff that he's trumpeting is stuff that was already there. The interesting part is the U.S. gets veto over mineral rights, meaning we get, according to Trump, and again, we have to read it. But according to Trump, anybody that wants to have any kind of development of the Allen of Greenland and the resources on that Allen has to get ridden permission from the United States before that takes place. If that's true, then they've lost sovereignty. Correct.

Right. Right. They are our bitch. Yes. Part of Denmark. They are part of Denmark is now part, is effectively Americanized. And the U.S. officials are all like Donald Trump Jr. I mean, I know he's not an official, but still he's the president's son, was tweeting out pictures of Greenland with a, a picture of Alaska, the lower 48 states, and Greenland covering. with the American flag and they said, and he's saying, now we have Canada surrounded L-O-L. Yep. I mean, you know, you opened yourselves up to that, Danes, you know? I don't be celebrated. I want them to celebrate it.

Europe deserves it. I mean, like, the idea, like, Europeans annoy the hell out of me. They have watched, because the Europeans were supposed to be the ones that cared about international law, that they're supposed to be the ones that were more rational and more, you know, nonsense. The United States goes and attacks Iran. And what does Europe do? They complain about Iran. The U.S. breaks and violates the JCPOA.

And what does Europe do? They complain about Iran and the response that Iran gave. They say nothing about what the United States effectively did. The murder of all of those fishermen, we just murdered a bunch of fishermen over the weekend, right? Again, Europe has nothing to say by it. Capturing Maduro. Europe has nothing to say about it. And now Trump is like, hey, I've been able to steal this other stuff.

I want to steal Greenland. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, well, we should talk about this. Well, I have a question. I mean, think about this way. So the United States has bases in Italy, Germany, Romania, yes. Great Britain. Yes.

Let's just round it up, call it half a million. We got 800 bases around the world. I mean, what can Europe do? I mean, seriously, no, Denmark, sure, they can bark, but we protect them. Germany can bark. We protect them. Well, we don't protect them. To help.

Protect isn't really the protect from whom? Who's attacking them? To protect them from other Europeans. I mean, you got to think about it. So the United States, NATO presence. We were talking about this before. Well, I mean, that was originally now it's the big bad Russians. Really, though, it's protected from each other.

The United States gives Europe a nice, comfortable security blanket. So they don't need to be militarized the way they used to be. I don't know. This is a fatoni situation. I don't think. I don't think the U.S. I think Romania is going to be just fine without the U.S. space. But the, well, I agree.

But the point that I'm trying to make, though, is why are they not doing anything? They're occupied. You mean, Europe? Yeah. They're a country. They're part of the United States. They're part of the, quote, white world. From the U.S., Europe, Australia, Japan is, you know, one.

wants to be in that club. It's like the 14% of the world that comes together and they lumped together in regards to their choices. Look at themselves. This is the white world and us engaging. Trump is breaking the rules because Trump is going after white territory. No, I don't know. True.

Very white, very white territory. Listen, I agree. But I don't think the level of melanin in your skin really plays into it. The fact is, if you have half a million foreign troops on your soil, what can you do? The answer is exactly as you're told. Until the Europeans expel the American military, they're going to continue to be took. 100%.

They should have made America do it. This weak nonsense is like, look, Carney, what Carney got right was when Trump came to him and wanted to change the deal. Why do we want Trump want to change a deal? Because from his point of view, you are so weak and incompetent and you're so dependent on us. We can get you to do anything. If Trump said, I want to have sex with the prime, with Mark Kornb. and I wanted to be on TV. What Trump in his mind thinks,

well, Canada may give me that. It behooves Carney to say, F off. Right. There are limits to the relationships to which we have. There have to be. And you're not going to make us look incompetent. Or for that matter, make us look like we're some kind of junior partner.

Europe apparently hasn't got that message. Yeah, even if it's a good marriage, right? Like, a husband or a wife has to say no to certain things. Yes. You know, so. I don't want to bring a message. fourth person into the bedroom. Right?

No, I don't want you to leave it. Don't be looking at my cat that way. Yeah, don't look at my cat that way, right? I know you're joining the feds, but don't look at my cat. Just kind of like that. Mark Carney wasn't worried about Donald Trump attacking Canada.

Why is Greenland worried about Donald Trump attacking Greenland? I don't know. I mean, they shouldn't have been. Nothing would have happened. And you know what? Better to all die. I think, I mean, I used to have this conversation with my, you know, my father-in-law.

who was a big Taiwan independence activist for the DPP. And he would say like, oh, why doesn't the U.S. give Taiwan its independence? And I said, if Taiwanese want their independence from China, they should declare it. Oh, but then China would invade. They might. I don't think they would. But they might. Then China would just would kill a bunch of Taiwanese people.

That certainly would happen. And it's like, do you want your independence or not? That's the question. Are you willing to pay a price in blood and treasure to get it? And I was like, look at East Timor. They couldn't resist the Dutch. They were tiny. And the Dutch did slaughter them by some accounts, by half their population.

They slaughtered them. But the world saw that. And they were like, sorry, against Indonesia, right? And they were just like, we're just going to, you know, like, no, we're giving these people their independence. They've suffered a lot. They fought for it. They have heart. They deserve it.

That's how this works. and same thing with Greenland. It's like, come on. I mean, seriously, the way I look at Greenlanders is like, you guys literally survive in a place with polar bears against like terrible weather, right? The worst weather. Like where you live is your enemy.

Like the land is your enemy. The air is your enemy. The water is your enemy. And with climate change, it's all melting and changing and dangerous as shit, more dangerous than it's ever been. and you're afraid of like the orange idiot in Washington, grow up. Like you take on bears.

Like, it's ridiculous. Denmark sold them out. I think Denmark sold them out. Yeah, Denmark sold him out. Yeah, the Greenlanders would have fought.

They're talking about a contract that extends beyond independence. And I was like, okay, that's nonsense. The Greenlanders are tough motherfuckers. I mean, well, the idea that it's like,

if Greenland declares independence. Like, let's say after this, Greenland says, you know what, we're independent. state for yeah yeah denmark's not protecting us denmark's not protecting us we're our own thing they could say we want the u.s out meaning we want the military and everything else out now the problem is that they've allowed themselves to now be militarized because apparently according to

don't trump they can just build whatever military installation on the alley now again we have to see the contract in real terms because don't front can make up anything but if any of this is true this is a loss of independence with superman took the missiles the nuclear missiles off of every planet on Earth or every country on Earth and threw them into the sun. And when I saw that, I was like, every state, as a Superman has just taken over the world. De facto. Yeah. If your country, do we really believe that the U.S. would be like, yeah, we totally want Superman to take our nukes and throw them into the sun?

Hell no. Hell no. Do you really believe that Russia, whose Superman is an American icon, that Russia is like, yeah, we're a totally? okay with them taking out nukes and going to the sun. Nope. Superman did this shit on his own. That's true. He went rogue.

He went rogue. Sovereity of earth cup and spoke. I'm saying the same thing is true here. If indeed you're giving up mineral rights and you're putting a bunch of military on the territory and the U.S. can build whenever they want. You've lost your sovereignty. And like I said at the beginning of this segment, we should have, I mean, if Greenland, if Denmark was predisposed to allowing the U.S. to have such a deal, nevertheless,

on principle, they should have not let Trump have this be, be the presidents who got it. Okay, we have more questions. Do you think it's because they didn't want to pick a fight that they knew they'll lose? Like, for example, World War II, but they could kick the can down the road and just said like, oh, we need to negotiate slowly. It's walrus season, so we're busy right now. Listen, I agree with both of you about what they should have done. But I'm saying there's reason why they didn't do it is because they realized they are America's bitch. Well, I think, yes.

Well, that's clearly what happened. Yeah, I think it's that. No question. Yeah. I think they've done everything in a power to napicka fight with Trump, meaning Europe. And Denmark, Greenland being an extension, it's just kind of part of that conversation.

Yeah, agree. And Amanda Raqq has a question for you, Jamar. I heard you and Slobota had a falling out. I like both of you, so I hope you guys make up soon. He's been spot on many things regarding the war. It is not my fault. I was let me put that first and foremost okay

and if Slovoda did that to anybody that was a host of an independent show if they were independent show they would have did the exact same thing that I did which is effectively say sawed off look what it wore down to is Slovota didn't necessarily like

one of the guests that I had on the show I suspected it was because the guest was very critical about Russia in general and he effectively didn't want me to bring the person back. And my thing was, and I'll tell you exactly what I said, choices or guest choices of the show are the purview of the show. I have nothing to defend, hence there's nothing to talk about. Meaning, I'm not going to have a conversation with you

about the guests that I bring on my show. It's not your business. And you can't dictate who I bring on my show because it's my show. It would belie any level of independence if you did that. It doesn't You would become Greenland. I would become Greenland. Yes. I would become Greenland. And my response to him was, you are behaving out of bounds. I think he even said, like the person who was acting abnormally is you, that me.

This is not a me thing. This is you thing. And he was very clear. And I said, I understand. Thank you for your frankness. And it was the end of it. Meaning, I'm not going to have a conversation with you about my guests. It's not your business either.

Your power is to say, I'm coming on your shore. or I'm not coming on your show. That's it. That's the extent of it, which is what he employed. That's his business. I'm not going to hit him for it because it's nothing to hit for it. It's his choice. But I'm trying to make the point that that wasn't on me. I behaved the way I was supposed to behave as the host of a show. And maybe if I had a producer, they would have greased the wheels on that and try to make that work. But I'm not a producer, I'm host. And if you're putting it to me as you either do this or else, then the answer is going to be obviously. Well, yeah, I mean, that's analogous to some of the jackasses who suggested I should get rid of, we should get rid of Robbie. It's like, yeah, you're not, you know, like if, if you're not, you don't get a vote here.

It's not a democracy, you know, it's like, yeah. By the way, love Mark did that. And it killed, like, I hated that he did that, meaning I hated the position. You put you in that position, yeah. Yeah, don't put me in that position. You shouldn't have. To do some shit like that. And so it's like, I have no.

there's have no recourse. There's no, there's no great area in that. Yeah, the only possible solution would be for him to reach out to you and say, oh, I shouldn't have asked you for that. Yeah. Which I would bring it back in a heartbeat

because I love Mark did that. Right. I mean, his analysis, keep in mind, this is a relationship that had been there for over six years. And so, you know, it's like,

you've never asked me that, for one. I mean, he's made, he's made a point of saying he didn't like the person once before, but again, You don't get a vote. I understand how you feel about it. Fair enough. But that can't, under any circumstances, dictate how I run the show. And if I have an inquiry, like in this case, I was inquiring about Syria. And there's another ironic twist to the story that I'm not going to get

into. But it's like, okay, well, what is the Russian point of view of this? What is the person who's the Syriest point of view of this? Okay, what is another Syrian's point of view of this? These are just different points of view on the exact same issue because I'm trying to understand the issue. Right. I'm sorry I appreciate you don't like her I had that question

I had my old radio show in L.A. I had David Duke on and people were my and you know obviously as you can imagine many of my listeners were lefties and they were appalled and they were like

oh do you and it's like well you know is David Duke a fucking interesting person to talk to is it compelling radio? Did I challenge him? Was it, I mean, was it worth listening to? Was it enlightening? Then it was good radio and it was worth having him on. So how did, you know, why did you platform him?

Blah, blah, blah. Let's like a really big guess that's on the show says, hey, if you bring David Duke back on, I'm not coming back on the show. Yeah. Well, I'd be like, I'd be like, well, sorry, bye. Yeah, there's no other way. Like, it doesn't leave you any out. There's no. Yeah, you can't say, even if you personally regretted having David Duke on, and you're dying to have this person on. You still have to say no. You stuck. You have to.

I mean, Mark is a damn good guess. And Mark has been more right. He's excellent. Yeah. On this stuff than probably any other, well, than most people, I would say. And especially than some of the other big names that are cheerleaves.

He is really good at it. So, yeah, it was a big loss. I mean, personally and from standpoint of the show. I mean, to be honest, weirdly enough, not from the standpoint of the show. My views have gone up to like, averaging 10,000 after Mark. But that's kind of a bizarre point. Mark was a really good guess.

And Mark was really good at what he was effectively doing. So, yeah, he's a loss. But it's like you can't put people in a corner like that, especially in this particular business, because otherwise you're not an independent show. You're a show where a Russian guest is influencing the content of the show because the Russian guest doesn't like somebody saying something bad about Russia. It's like, okay, dude.

Yeah, just can't. So guys, I think Robbie has pinned a link in if you want to call verbally into the show. So it's just a reminder of that. We have another 22 minutes left. We're just reminding everyone. The new schedule is Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9 to 11, Eastern, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, just like before 9 to 10, Eastern. Okay, so... He said the Russian game mistake was not only in the stadium.

Oh, that's so funny. Oh, that's so funny. Manchild. Okay, I got to call out that banner. On YouTube, the membership tiers are $699, $1299, and $2499. Okay, so thank you, Manchild, for pointing that out. Trent, we will, Robbie has asked Trent, what is that going on? I don't understand.

That seems to be a mistake. I think Trent will fix it. Yeah, as far as I know, prices for YouTube memberships should not have gone up. Well, one went up, one went down. I mean, what? Yeah, I have no idea. No, they're not. This is not correct.

So the correct ones are what we said, $499, $999, and $1999. So. Yep. And while I'm here, just real quick, thank you. A lot of people have been going over to the old YouTube channel and just letting stuff run and stuff. I really appreciate it. A bunch of y'all have become paid members.

Truly thank y'all because I could not keep working for JT and Ted without y'all's support. Again, just a reminder, please go to YouTube and run West Glacier Gaming as long as you can. Overnight is always good. Choose a long running playlist. Okay, so, yeah, so we, yeah, thank you for the Macadden. Thanks for the dollar. We got to talk about the White House thing. Whenever the media gets banned from the White House,

they freak out. They're like, and it's happened before. It will happen again. This time Trump kicked out CNN, MS now, and Politico from the among the gang who get to go into the White House and yell questions or politely hold up their hands and get questioned by the president. My reaction to this tomorrow was, okay, Trump's an asshole. Right. And also there should be no good. Like there should be nobody should be reporting from the White House.

Like it's totally worthless as far as the standpoint of consumer people who watch CNN. That money would be so much better allocated to an additional war correspondent in Gaza or in Kabul or something like, well, there's no war in Kabul. But like, you know, for some war correspondency, some actual reporting, you know, do it. undercover investigation, do some real reporting. I mean, these are White House stenographers. All they do is go and line up and ask and ask and receive canned answers from the, you know, from the White House press secretary. It's a waste. There should be no such thing as a White House correspondent. I've never once heard of a major news story being broken by a White House correspondent like, oh, thank God I was at that press conference. And I got.

got that question that answered that became a major news story. Like, that never will happen. I don't know what they do, to be honest. I mean, like, there's nothing, Donald Trump doesn't answer questions in any way that makes any sense. And usually it's just him doing stand-up, where it's like the press comes in and Trump is free-forming. And even when they ask them like a hard question, eventually they would just move on to something else when Donald Trump just refuses to answer the question or derides the reporter that asks them the question. I don't know if it has any value anymore. At one point, maybe in the old days,

where presidents used to actually answer the questions that were asked of them, even if they didn't necessarily like the question, they still had, yeah, that's what it is. It's a degradation of the office all the way through. And what I mean by that is, we have the forms of these things without having the content of those forms. It's almost like a copy of a copy. At a certain point, it loses the legitimacy

that it started off with. Because the faculty in and of itself makes sense, right? You have a president, schoolboy philosophy of things. The president is doing stuff. That stuff is important in regards to foreign policy and domestic policy. And people want to know what the president is doing. And so the press comes and acts the president's questions.

Again, all of this makes sense in a schoolboy philosophy way of the way that's supposed to work. But then when you get the president who's just free forming, And it's like, oh, your paper is trash. Your paper is trash. It's like, you guys are, it's just all fake news. And then it's like Fox News, Peter Ducey. And Peter Duce is like, Mrs. President, you have a really nice tie you got on.

Where did you get that tie? Oh, I'm glad you liked the color of my tie. My tie is red. This is a Trump tie. Yeah, this is a Trump tie. You can buy these for $5.99 on a thing. Next person. That is pointless.

That is a pointless endeavor. The form makes sense. The content has made. It's like candy. It's sugar. It's just sugar. So I don't know. All of the reporters should have walked out after that.

All of them should have said, well, CNN and them not allowed them. We're not going to participate either. You just have a bunch of podcasters and to do press. Even the podcaster should have walked out. Yeah, agree. There should have been solidarity. I mean, mind you, they should have did that when they shut down RTA and spooten.

True. Yeah. By the way, do you think you're going to hold that level of solidarity or sucks of CNN, MS, We're going to keep moving. Do you all think we actually have a real media in this country? I don't. I think that I think podcasting.

I think the podcast is really all that you've got about as far as corporate media, it's dead. It's it's a rotted animated corpse just shambling down the street, moaning about it has pus running out of his face. It's a relic of a bagon era. There's no Walter Cronkite anymore. Yeah, this is not a lot to cronk. Well, because it's not adversarial, right? I mean, that's, and so, yeah, I'm with, I'm with Robbie. I mean, there's, if it's not adversarial, it's fucking worthless.

And it doesn't mean that you have to attack the, you know, the president or, you know, a local official gratuitously for no reason whatsoever. But, you know, when there's bullshit, which there always is, because it's human beings and it's politics, you've got to call it out. I mean, and if you, you know, you think about the old days of, say, you know, you know, you know, Richard Nixon, first of all, you know, presidents used to give a lot more pressers, right? Like Richard Nixon, he was in there, like, you know, twice a week. And he was mixing it up with them.

And they would, you know, they were like asking him about Watergate. And if you didn't want to answer the question, then, you know, the thing is they had solidarity in that if a question got ignored, the next person would set aside whatever question they had in mind. And they would ask the same question to try to force the president to answer it or the press secretary, right? if memory serves, Nixon's press secretary was Ron Ziegler. And at one point, to Ziegler even became a verb in the American dictionary, which meant to basically to dissemble and not answer a question directly. And, you know, it was a lot better then than it is now.

I mean, I don't really know what these guys do. I assume they have an office in the White House, these reporters, and with little cubicles. And if a White House official wanted to, they could meet with the reporter and either leak information or give it to them officially. They could release stuff.

But, you know, they could do that by phone or by email or by text message, right? I mean, that's probably how most of this happens anyway. I mean, if you were a White House official, let's say you're Pete Higstaff and you're like, you know, I want to come out as gay. you know, like you're not going to waddle down to the press room at the White House. You're going to, you know, you're going to like meet at your, you know, at a good gay bar in Georgetown.

And you're going to meet your reporter and you're going to leak that information there, right? I mean, you know, you're going to do it on the DL. So I don't see why, you know, I don't even, there's no purpose to this. I mean, it and you can, and it really becomes so clear when they have the White House correspondent to dinner, right, which is sponsors. by the association of reporters who do this job. I mean, it's, it is a bygone era. It's like, and the, I remember sitting at a press conference in Afghanistan with a bunch of other reporters looking around,

and they were all, you know, they were all asking questions from some local warlord, Abdullah Abdullah. And literally, it was like, I remember to think, I just got ready to leave. And one of the reporters, like, where are you going? I just like, anywhere else. I'm like, this is the only place in Africa. Afghanistan where there's no news going on. Like, I can go down to the bizarre and find news.

There's literally nothing going on here. And that's what it's like now. I mean, a press conference is a news-free zone. Well, I don't know anything that they've ever broken in one of these press conferences, especially in this administration anytime soon. Or previous ones. You don't get anything. Like, you don't get anything.

Like, I said, understand. I understand the form. It's the content that is lacking. I don't see the purpose. It's not like the president is saying anything. Like Donald Trump writes everything on social media. And he looks like he just uses it as Showtime at El Palau. He's just freeform it, dancing.

And it would be like, Hey, Pete, blah, blah, blah. And Hexuff may get some kind of weird commentary and go to Rubio and that all of them saying how great the president is at times. They were like, well, the president has led us to a dominating victory in Iran. and we're going to aim the straight of America. We're going to drink vodka in El Doran. And he's like, oh, thanks, Pete. And they go to Rubio. And Rubio's like, well, we're getting a dominating victory in Ukraine.

We're going to bring it to a close pretty soon. And we're going to kick those cupas in the face. Like, all of them tells them how great the president is and how great Lajabi is doing. And they basically are, like, it's pointless. It is a completely fucking waste of time. I mean, no question about it. I mean, last week, you came on DMZ America with Scott. And we were talking, and the topic was, can, will, you know, has Trump changed America forever?

This is an example of which, in which Trump has changed the presidency forever. I mean, whoever the next president is, it's not like we're going back to, oh, you're meeting, you know, once you're meeting, you know, you're meeting the press every day, the way JFK used to. And you're really, you know, trying to be honest and you're shooting the shit and you're going, and there's a repartee. And you're trying to reveal what's really going on. and you're being transparent. That shit is done. I mean, this whole ritual should go away. It's like the state of the union address.

It is totally fucking worthless. I mean, it's a waste of fucking time. I mean, I do think there should be a constitutional mandate for the president to sit down with the media frequently and answer harsh questions. But, you know, there isn't. So until there is. What is the point of this?

The only way that works is if also you, mandate for the president to be honest. Yeah. And yeah. The president can't lie to the public. The president has to be truthful when it's... Look up that truth serum in the polygraph. Yeah.

It needs something, but I don't even know how that works. Right. Because it's like, how does the president... There are times what the president needs to be able to lie. Well, also determine what's a harsh question. What does that even mean? Right. What's a harsh question to me may not be a harsh question to either one of all.

True. True. The hard question might just be one that embarrasses the president. Hey, like the guy that asked the other day about corruption, he was like, how on earth can you claim that you're trying to clean up corruption when the president is as corrupt as he is? Okay. And the response was like, well, that's a, you know, that's a loaded question. No, it's not. No, it's not a loaded question.

It's a very straightforward question. It's a very straightforward question. You don't like it. Does he consider it harsh? Probably. Is it true? Yes. Yeah.

It's like how Zionists call everything blood libel. Yeah. Oh, I don't like the decision. sign of the Israeli flag. That's blood liable. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, the U.S., I don't believe that the U.S. should be compensated in Israel and order to kill people, that's blood libel. I can't believe you're thinking that. He can't even know what blood libel is.

So, Ben Moser, just to remind him. That's the eating babies thing, right? Pardon? That's the eating babies thing, right? Yeah, it's the eating babies thing in the Middle Ages. Yeah. Yeah. So Ben Moser is going to be on tomorrow. Yes. So that's going to be cool. Author of Anti-Zionism.

Jewish history. Highly recommend the book. So, okay, let's see what other questions we have here. Okay, Roguebot, MD. AI and data centers cost over a trillion dollars at this point, and the White House is betting the economy on AI. But Trump is only using AI to make memes. There's something wrong with that. That's pretty funny. Did you see them try to blame the AI and the data center on? on the murdering of all his kids. No. They basically, so Bloomberg came out with an article that pointed out that it was

that the United States is, the over reliance on AI, if I'm not mistaken, Palatier specifically, and old data was part of the reason, in fact, I think even have the article. Old data definitely was part of the reason that that happened. Well, I mean, but let's be honest.

The United States, the number of civilians we used, used to kill and the drone strikes and everything else was monstrous. It was like 80, 90% civilians. So killing civilians is not necessarily a new thing. Also, one of the things they did was get rid of the faculty that was checking to see whether or not there would be civilians in a particular area. And they said quite clearly, we knew pretty clearly and pretty early on that this was a school. This was not a military. Also, doesn't Israel have shit tons of Mossad spies in Iran? It's like a major problem for the Iranians. John used to talk about it all the time. And like, couldn't they have sent

someone over there to do a drive-by and just, you know, check out the spot? You don't care about civilians. Right. No, they don't. Israel's own systems didn't care about civilians. But they were take down an apartment complex to get one guy. And they were basically, they made sure that the systems really cared less about civilians. Like the Who's Daddy thing that was killing people when they came back home. Like, they didn't care. So I don't think Israel. I mean, they're not going to tell us in any way,

particular way that we cared. But my point is, I think it's nonsense. We cut down our, the Bureau or whatever that entity was that tried the check. It's the Maps Agency. Yes. They dropped it by like 90-something percent.

So even like, we, even if people want to make the argument, it's a doge thing. Is that the name of it? Yeah, it's a doge thing. you know, when they, when Elon Musk fired a bunch of people who turned out that we needed. Yeah, but see, I think they gutted that because they wanted to gut it, not because it was dope. I think they gutted it because they didn't care about civilians.

Meaning, when you get rid of an agency like that, you're saying this is a, oh, yeah, the civilian. What was that called something like the civilian casualty mitigation board or something like that? Something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because New, I'm a warfighter. I mean, I hop to put up on testosterone. testosterone-filled war fighters and civilians. Totally straight, not gay at all.

Yeah, totally straight warfighter who loves, you know, his warfighters to have shaved legs, manicured hands, no hair on their chest. Very pretty, very pretty. If you get rid of an organization like that, you're making a very clear announcement that we don't care about civilians.

We don't care. No, that's literally it, yeah. So the match agency basically claimed that, yeah, I mean, basically their claim was that they used 15-year-old data, right? I mean, look, 15 years is a long fucking time. And like a lot of things happen on the ground in 15 years. I have to admit, if they had said, like, oh, little did we know that, you know, Iran put a school there and they built it over the summer. And it took three months for them to build. and we used information, I might be able to say, okay, that's a tragic accident.

But by your own account, and I know this has been, this reporting has been, I think, has been kind of surpassed by changing events, right? Where now it's kind of like being told it was probably intentional and then probably it's nonsense that it was old data. But your excuses, you used 15-year-old data, well, that's on you. That's negligence. That's like, that's your fault, you know? like you by your own account you didn't care if you killed innocent civilians did i say stibras cared

about killing civilians we dropped two nuclear bombs we fired bomb to korezstan we fire bomb dresden we fire bomb no nuremberg we genocide of the plains indians the sand creek and the wichita i mean this is not new to the american way of war right so can we just put to like that that we are not the most moral, most outstanding army that God has ever created. Everyone knows that. I know. That's very much the rough.

And the way the media talks about it, the media is always going to talk about it as we're the most moral military. Why? Like, like, this goes back to the Hassan Piper thing, right? It's like, oh my God, I can't believe how Sond Piker said that. Why can't you believe Hassan Piper said that? Right? Like the media, the way they talk about, even for like MSNBC,

they would go after Trump, but they would preserve institutions. So like the Trump is using the military for this. Trump is doing this. It's kind of like an Nanyahu thing. It's like, well, it's not going to, we're not going to indict the state. We're going to indict one man in order to kind of be a senator for the state.

They're doing this with Trump. And the media does this all the time when it talks about these issues. So they would never point out, hey, we bomb plenty of wedding parties. We bomb plenty of wedding parties. Now, they want to make it like this mistake. Right here, Pentagon investigators have discovered the flawed intelligence, outdated imagery, and overreliance on AI contributed to a missile strike that killed 1203 children in Monab, Iran. Yeah. Stake my ass.

I mean, the American people, by and large not have a problem with a woman straddling her kids. So why would they have a problem with the military bombing of school? She didn't drown them. I thought she strangled him. Yes, well, she had made this book. No, she strangled them. Yeah, she didn't drown them. But the point is, I mean... By the way, the husband was on 60 minutes last night.

Yeah. And said she was guilty of sin. Is that what he said? I didn't see it. My mom hit me up, sent me a text and she was like, hey, the husband was on. The husband was on. Husband said she did it. Well, we know she did it.

The question is... No, no, like that she's guilty. That she did it on purpose. If I remember, if my mom memory is correct because I didn't see it, so I'm relying on somebody else's... All right, we'll have to. We'll have to look into that. Yeah, for the research.

But if the husband said she's guilty, would you change a point of view on this? It would be influential. I mean, you know, I think he was there. It's his point. You know, I think he knows more about it than anyone else except for her. So, you know, I would definitely listen to what he had to say with great interest. Yeah. All right, guys.

So tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. Eastern time, we will have joining us a special guest, Ben Moser, author of anti-Zionism, a Jewish history. I think the title's very self-explanatory, but I think it's going to be an interesting interview. Certainly, I've been reading the book for the last week, and I have found it super eye-opening. And man, these Zionists, man, they're out of control. I mean, and their biggest victims are Jews, which is the most crazy thing about it. I mean, you know, Lord knows they've killed enough Muslims too and other people, but Jesus Christ. Okay, so we'll get into all that tomorrow.

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