DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Is the Left Picking on Israel? | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• Writing in The New York Times, Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ) argues that the Left is picking on Israel but gets a free pass: “The Democratic condemnation piled on Israel’s government is overwhelming in comparison to other allies. It’s also louder than Democrats’ condemnation of Iran’s regime for the slaughter of thousands of Iranians in December and January. Israel has been decried by some leading Democrats as an ‘apartheid’ state. But I haven’t heard any of them claim apartheid when it comes to how women and LGBTQ people are treated across the Middle East.”• A report, from the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, a Geneva-based advocacy group, concludes that Israel employs “systematic sexual violence” in jails and prisons that is “widely practiced as part of an organized state policy.”• Netanyahu says he wants Israel to wean itself off the $3.8 billion it gets from the US each year over the next decade. • Six people are found dead inside a cargo train boxcar in Laredo, home to one of Texas’ largest hubs for trade with Mexico, accounting for roughly 62% of the state’s land port trade, or $340 billion.

Good morning. You are watching Deep Program with Ted Rall and Jamaral Thomas. It is Monday, May 11th, 2026. Jamaral is wrapping up his own private show over with his guest, Mark Slavoda, who I miss talking to, and we should probably get on at some point. But Mark has a way of, you know, just going and going and going and going. He's like the Energizer Bunny of post-Soviet political analysis. and military analysis. So I can see how that could easily happen. Thanks, everyone for joining us. Please like, follow, and share the show. We really appreciate you joining us.

And, of course, we really appreciate your support. Good morning, Robbie. And thanks for sitting in for the minute or two while JT. Chah comes in to join us. Hey, no, it's all good. I'm happy to do it. And I'm just over here,

just watching and the one thing i'd say about mark i don't mind that the man likes to talk a lot and here's why it's because more often than not the man gets it right there's a lot of your talking heads there's a lot there's a lot of your analysts who are there online and they are really good at bloviating and selling you a yard but they are but they're consistently wrong mark sloblota is consistently right and that's one of the things i really love about that guy although my experience has been, Robbie, that the more right you are, the less likely you are to be invited as a guest on mainstream media. It just doesn't happen. There's J.T. Let's add. What's happening, guys? Good morning. We were explaining that situation to anyone who's watching who may not be

aware of Mark's proclivity for the gift of gab. Yes. And I don't like to, I, I hate stepping in being like, Hey, wait, I have to. I hate doing it. I hate doing that. I try to ask the question in a way that gives me enough time to pretty much end it. And sometimes when a person is talking, they end up on another point that is important. Like, Mark was talking about the wars and how like people are like agitating for Russia. There are a lot of people who are pushing Russia hard saying, dude, why is this taking so long? Why aren't you finished? Why don't you drop in a register going, Kiev and get this over with? And he was pointing out how. So, you know, war has changed. It's kind of like in the Second World War when French were doing cavalry charges, they would get crushed. It would just be wiped out by machine guns. And it took a while to say, hey, a military doctrine no longer works. And that's the point he's trying to make. Like superpowers, quote unquote, a superpower couldn't take on a regional power like Iran or the

barely could necessarily would have. And so what's the expectation of Russia going in Ukraine when all of Europe and the U.S. is effectively helping? that war has changed. You're now in a fishbow. So it's not like Barbara Rosa, where a million Germans line up and it could just invade, that many Germans would get crushed because there was 24 hour footage of the line of contact and 24 hour footage of the battlefield with munitions that could pretty much hit at any point, including drones. And this point was there penny packets in a way that they effectively invade and build up. But the AI has taken a huge role in that,

whether in Israel's murder of Gaza, where they were using AI in order to make determinations in regards to targeting to be more fitting and killing, or on the battlefield, we have flank killer or what? That are just looking at the battlefield and now can discern that's an airplane of another country, I need to blow that airplane up with a drone. Or these are people who are on the ground

and they're correlating or coming together. We need to blow up that particular location. And you can hit anyone in the battlefield. Now, he moved into the AI conversation as he was having a conversation about the war. I'm sorry. I will do better. I'm sorry.

I am like, look. I love Mark and I've been there and I've gone over with him in the past. So I totally get it. You know, I mean, but yeah, you know, like if you were on, like I remember when I was on commercial radio on KFI AM 640 Los Angeles, the, you know, it was like. It was like, it doesn't matter. You know, you can't be nice. Like, the news is exactly at, you know, 9 o'clock.

And, like, it's coming whether you're done or not. So, you know. It's like, on a network, radio network, right? It's like, we've got to stop at the hour. We got to stop. It stops for no man. Yeah, yeah. It's not rude to point out the time.

Okay, so, well, maybe it is, but it shouldn't be. Okay, so basically we're going to, there's a lot of stuff about, Israel today. Netanyahu gave an interview to 60 minutes. He said some interesting things there. Human Rights Monitor, a EuroMed Human Rights Monitor based in Geneva, issued a report that says Israel employs systemic sexual violence in its jails and prisons that are holding Palestinians. Six people have been found dead, probably migrants, inside a cargo freight train cargo box car in Laredo, Texas, right on the border with Mexico. Last but not least, Josh Gautheimer, he's a New Jersey Democrat in the U.S. Congress,

is arguing something I wanted to talk to you about. I mean, you and I have heard this, but basically that the Democrats always point out when Republicans or when the right is anti-Semitic, but they give the left a pass, in particular when it comes to criticism of Israel. And look, I have largely dismissed this criticism. this critique for a long time. I don't think it's valid. I think I don't want to give it a lot of time. But I think from time to time, it's always good to check in with your adversaries and criticisms like this to see, okay, well, wait a minute. You know, I don't want to have an assumption and just

sort of be like, and just be like, this is the way it is. Israel is genocidal. The end. I'm not, you know, they deserve all criticism they have coming. You know, I mean, when someone makes this kind of discussion and they do it in a reasonable in a reasonable tone like this guy did, I think it's worth checking in with, like just sort of like, well, wait a minute here. Let's go through his critique. And so I thought that was worth checking into. So anyway, what do you want to talk about? Let's start there.

All right. All right. You have a lot of low. Look, if, obviously the anti-Semitism thing, his been used as a way of trying to stem and inhibit critique of a genocidal state. Meaning, these guys are murdering people en masse. And Nanyahu, and many of them will come out and say, we are a Jewish state. We are doing this for the Israelis, but basically we are a Jewish state that is effectively

to live on. Meaning this genocide is committing in the name of Jews. I didn't say that. He's saying that. That's not me doing it, right? And so when people criticize Israel and Israel claims they're a Jewish state, obviously there will be people who would take that to excess. When I talk about it, I talked about it from the context of a state. And I talk about it from this point of view of Israelis, because I'm trying to point out that it is a state that is doing it.

It's not about their religion. Yes, religion might be used as a stalking horse in this, but this is about a genocidal state that is carrying out the murders. And I can criticize that state, like I can criticize any state that is carrying out large-scale, murders. If some people take it in excess, I get it. But the reality of it is, they are the ones that are conflating Judaism and Zionism in the process of this large-scale execution. So I accept, right, that there may be people who are anti-Semitic on both sides of the fence and just in general. But that can't be used as a scapegoat to stop people from criticizing what is taking place in the context of what they are actually doing. And again, I want to put out the

they are conflating Judaism and Zionism, not me. What do you have been doing? Yeah, and they've been doing that in order to suppress criticism, right? I mean, most people on the left, the vast majority of us, we all agree that anti-Semitism is horrific and evil and completely to be 100% condemned. And so therefore, you know, if it follows that if you can get us to say that if you can conflate Zionism with, you know, Judaism, then logically. you know, like if you criticize Zionism, then you're anti-Semitic.

The former head of the Anti-Defamation League of Binaibrits just died yesterday, Abe Foxman. He, you know, as the New York Times called him a warrior against anti-Semitism. He's been replaced by a far less intellectually honest man, let's put it that way. And like one of the things that happened is that after, After October 7, 2023, Hamas' raid into Israel proper from Gaza, the ADL changed the way that they calculate anti-Semitic incidents. They now include any incident that is criticism of Israel, an article, a protest, anything. So, of course, after October 7th, according to this metric, which is apples and oranges, anti-Semitic. incidents, you know, spiked radically. If you change the counting methodology, you're going to get

different results. And that's what happened here. Now, that said, there probably were, would have been an increase in anti-Semitic incidents legitimately, you know, like attacks or desecrations of Jewish cemeteries or synagogues and so on. But we don't, unfortunately, because the ADL changed their counting methodology, we don't know what those numbers actually look like, right? But anyway, So Josh Guthheimer quotes the ADL, cites the ADL statistics. He says, too many Democrats are noticeably and shamefully silent when anti-Semitism comes from the far left at a moment when the ADL is reporting a surge of anti-Semitic incidents in the past three years. So it's like you kind of lose me there.

But then he gets into this criticism of Hassan Piker, who full disclosure, I don't watch. He referred to Orthodox Jews as inbred and said America deserved 9-11. I think those are not like completely impossible statements to defend. He said that Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, is a thousand times better than Israel, which he called a fascist settler colonial apartheid state. It is. It is. Yeah, and so anyway, he goes on and on.

He says that, so then he said that there's, is this the new standard for supporting military aid and armed sales? Do Democratic members of Congress also believe we should block weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey, given the history of human rights abuses in those countries? Well, I would have no problem with that. But the, but then it says, the Democratic, this is the part. I really wanted to get to, J.T. The Democratic condemnation piled on Israel is overwhelming in comparison to other allies. It's also louder the Democrats' condemnation of Iran's regime for the slaughter of thousands of Iranians in December and January. Israel has been decried by some leading Democrats as an apartheid state, but I haven't heard any of them claim apartheid when it comes to how

women and LGBTQ people are treated across the Middle East. There's so much to peel apart in that paragraph so much, right? So first of all, of course we criticize Israel more than other allies because Israel receives more funding from the United States than any other U.S. ally, right? So whatever they're doing, we are financing, we're backing, we're more complicit than we are with, say, whatever Pakistan is doing wrong or Saudi Arabia is doing wrong. So that's part of it. Then it says, well, you know, the tens of the thousands of Iranians killed in December and January. We have no reliable statistics for the number of Iranians that were killed. And there's been so many lies told about it.

We know some died. The Iranian government has acknowledged that. The numbers are, I mean, one is too many. One is heinous. Well, let's just stipulate for the sake of argument. But Iran is not our ally. Okay, so what Iran does is not really our business in the same way that what Israel does. And it's like, and it's also like very different, you know, morally for a regime to gun down protesters.

So we're talking about like a Tiananmen Square type situation or, you know, or where it's basically defend, where it views itself as defending itself from protesters and internal agitators. then what Israel is doing, which is an attempt to eradicate Palestinians in order to steal their land in Gaza and the West Bank, systemically. The systemic aspect of this is different in the same way that the systemic aspect of slaughtering Jews in World War II with poison gas in industrialized killing facilities is different historically than should. shooting them in a battlefield. And it's like, and then finally, you know, well, you haven't claimed apartheid when it comes to how women and LGBTQ people are treated across the Middle East, because that's loathsome, but it's not apartheid. A partide has a specific meaning where you have people live depending on their ethnic status or their racial status or their identity or where they live. they receive different treatment at the hands of the government.

For example, in the West Bank, if you are Jewish in Israeli and you commit the same exact murder as a Palestinian commits, the Jew will not be subject to the death penalty, but now under the new law, the Palestinian committing the same exact act will be hung to death. I mean, that's a part hide. Discrimination based on homophobia, transphobia, and so on are. horrible, but it's not a part-hide. So I don't know. It's just, it's like, is it me or do people, do people just think words don't mean anything anymore? I think they think words don't mean anything anymore. People are bad actors in the arguments they effectively make. This is a horrible

argument. I mean, look, it is loathsome to treat somebody differently because of their sexuality or because of, you know, other factors. Of course. But that is different than creating, like I say, a regime in South Africa or regime in Israel, where people, people are materially different and in second class citizens. And let's be honest, murdered or beaten because of it. Like, I mean, the reality of it is they raped the man in prison with 60% of the population saying it was okay for them to do so. And for a huge number of people to raid the military base in order to break those people out

of jail after doing so on TV. Like this is outrageous, right? But this is what you get, what's bank? Where there's a clear disparity between how, Palestinians are treated and how Israelis are treated. And you have mobs and gangs that consistently work with the military to steal, land, beat people, and kill people. I've spoken to people in the region who were being the day before the interview. Like meaning this is the conditions to which these guys exist in as a norm with military force backing pogroms in with the West Bank or easing the gothicification of Lebanon.

And let's also be clear. many of the people that were killed in those protests, the Israelis admit to putting those people up to the protests, meeting a long-term operation in order to get people turned out to give the impression of Donald Trump that, hey, there's a huge internal division you can knock over the government with a military strike. I mean, Trump kept saying we're going to work with the, we're going to help the Iranians, etc. All of this stuff was playing. Trump came out complaining that the Kurds didn't give the weather. weapons that they thought they were going to give for some kind of internal rebellion.

So who actually are the people that were being killed in these protests in earnest? I hope you get my point, right? This wasn't there's just internal dissent. It was, there was this typical government plan of trying to create protests and using those protests as a justification to knock over a particular government claiming that there is some kind of internal support. Same thing with Kiev and Ukraine, with the whole might on push. Same thing. Jesus Christ. It's a playbook at this point. They tried to do the same thing in Georgia. They tried to do the same. Like you can go from country to country where they were using these, this thing of protests and using protests as a way, almost like an Arab Spring type deal. This, I think this argument is in bad faith. Do you think this argument is in bad faith? Because sometimes I can't tell. Yeah, sometimes I can't tell either, right? I mean,

During the pro-gaza demonstrations at Columbia University, which was the most high-profile encampments during that period, I snuck on to campus because I'm an alumni. So I have an alumni card. And I went in there and looked around, talked to some people, took some video. And in fact, I did a live cast on the old TMI show, you know, with, sorry, it was actually,

I think we were, were we still on Sputnik? I don't even remember now. Anyway, the point is I did that show from there. Anyway, you know, I'm sorry if I've mentioned this before, but I don't think I have. So while I was there, there was this on college walk, you know, so the encampment was boring. Nothing was going on. People were just in their tents.

The weather was a little bit overcast. And people were just sort of chilling. There was no chanting, no yelling, no one was carrying any signs. People were literally lying down and just relaxing. And this woman, obviously Jewish, in their arms of a rabbi, was sobbing uncontrollably in front of me. And she was like, how can they think these things? How can they feel this way? I don't understand.

It's so horrible. And I was really confused because it was kind of like, I was like, am I watching like Bufé Fouin, the French farts from the 80s where everything is opposite world? Because I'm looking around like, what's she responding to? Like literally nothing's going on. There's tents. There's some Palestinian flags. That's it. You know, and even there were one of the rules that was posted at the entrance to the encampments.

said, do not engage with Zionists. In other words, they weren't looking for a fight, right? Like, if people come in here with the Israeli flag, we're not going to talk to them or yes, because that raises the temperature, right? We don't want that. So there's no temperature being raised, and yet this woman was hysterical. And I had to conclude that it was because she was simply upset at the idea that anyone was criticizing Israel, might be angry at Israel, to the point of being willing to sit in a camp for day after day after day in a tent in the middle of a college campus and not rather than go to class. I mean, it was a purely emotional response. I guess my point is, I wonder if someone like Josh Gottheimer has a similarly emotional response to any criticism of Israel

and in his mind and as it was in her mind that that felt like anti-Semitism to them. And I think it does to some Zionists. I think some of them really genuinely must feel that an attack or any criticism of Israel is an anti-Semitic comment and therefore deeply personally hurtful. I don't think that's true all the time. I don't think it's true about someone like, you know, I mean, not that he's not Jewish anyway, but John Federman, I think is full of shit. But like, yeah, I mean, the current head of,

the ADL is full of shit. He knows better. He's too smart. He's not, he's not that emotional. I think, you know what I mean? I think there's a bell curve there. I think it's like, but it's, it's worth checking in because, look, the last thing that anyone wants to do, I mean, look, I'm going to read this comment because I think this is, this is good. And if you so, thanks for the dollar, if you're on the side of Israel and imperialism, then you're not left. You're a vapid, worthless, virtue, signal. liberal. And I agree with that. And I also think you can't be on the left and be anti-Semitic. So and and and and and and and and that's why I mean anti-Semitism is a ideology of the far right.

And you know, it's it's not it doesn't go with being a leftist. Being a leftist means that we think everyone is human and must be treated accordingly. And that's just not anti-Semitism is not part of that. But so. that's why up until now the the conflation of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism has been such an effective tool in the Zionist you know in the Zionist propaganda wars um and I think it's worth engaging with right it's kind of like we can just sort of I mean there's a lot of power to be saying we're we're tired of your shit shut the fuck up look I'm game with I'm down with that but I also think on occasion we need to just take a beat and ask this question. I don't have an issue asking the question. I mean, I don't, obviously, I'm not into the anti-Semitism thing. I think being racist or on any of this stuff is problematic, to put it mildly.

And that's why I try to make a distinction between Jews as a group and Israelis as a group, because I don't think those things are equal to each other. No. They're plenty of Jews who were out there protesting. They were getting their ass kicked by the government for protesting what Israel is doing. Most of the Jewish students and faculty at Columbia, I mean, most of the students in faculty at Columbia who were expelled, suspended, or had their degree stripped or were fired were Jewish. Yes. Basically, don't do this in our name. So I don't make this, you know, I don't make this conflation between the two. They're obviously Jews who are out there like, this is outrageous, what you guys are doing. We went through a genocide. Why are we doing this to somebody else?

And basically having a genocide committing against. And that's not a single percent, you know, sort of like, oh, the weird Jews. This is a mainstream view among Jews. Yes, especially in America, right? Yeah. So, yeah, I get it, that you have some who make this conflation and then get out there and weep and everything else. I feel bad that the woman is conflating these two things. I don't have an issue with this woman in general for who she is.

I have an issue for what she supports. Those are two very different things. Right? And people can make that distinction, even though I would like to point out that the state of Israel does not make that distinction. No. Meaning, if people go too far, on some level, the state has to accept blame for that,

considering they call themselves a Jewish state that is in the process of committing a genocide, not to mention the rapes and everything. else. And they're expanding the genocide into southern Lebanon now. Yes. Yeah. At least they're trying to, but they're finding out that, as Mark pointed out, war has changed and that Hezbollah and the drones are effectively taking a plug-out. Let's say some more comments. Manchild, thanks for the donation. Does Godheimer really expect us to believe his outrage is principled, or is it just the script that comes with being Apex, $2 million human sock puppet? It's a little bit of both. Yeah. I'm because the reality is whether he's being, whether he's making this argument in good faith and that, as you point out, there are people who hear this argument. And let's be very clear, I've had guests on my show who are Jewish, who was completely against what his rule was doing. Oh, yeah. And they explained very clearly. They was like, look, when you are a child, you are inundated with this idea of the Holocaust, of genocide. They give you free trips to the concentration camp so you can see what to make, what to place.

Meaning they are programmed on some level to be very reactive to this specific argument. And so when they are responding this way, not all of them are acting in bad faith. Some of them have just been programmed in a sense. We don't get that as African Americans. Like we're not taking to slave camps. We're not taken to, you know, we're not inundated with us in a way where we're hyper, hyper reactive to the reality of it, where we can make this argument for everything. Well, slavery happens.

And so we should get a pass. We don't get that. They do. Right. I mean, I think, look, fundamentally, the creation of the state of Israel was based on such an illogical and faulty and immoral set of assumptions. You know, like, you know, a land without people for a people without a land, as if nobody lived there before. You know, or that those people didn't deserve any consideration who lived there before. all that stuff is, you know, when you set up a construct like that, you know, it ends up being built on increasingly flimsier scaffolding.

And that's all you're seeing here, right? I mean, it's like if you start to, you know, it just, it doesn't make any sense, especially since like Palestinians had nothing to do with, you know, what happened to, during the Holocaust. You know, it's like, it's just, I mean, it would be problem. it would have been politically and historically problematic to take away part of Germany in order to provide a homeland for Jews, but at least it would have been logical. You know, yeah, you know, you could kind of get it.

When you learn about the creation of the state of Israel as a kid, you're kind of like, but why do you put it there? It's like, oh, it's the Holy Land. It was promised thousands of years ago by God. That's not a real argument. I'm sorry. It's just not any argument that says,

well, you know, I talk to God. God. Okay, so the way I look at it is anybody who tells me that they talk to God, I call 911. I'm like, hey, there's Looney here. Come and pick him up, right? So, because people, you know, sane people don't claim to talk to God. Even if they do talk to God, they keep it to themselves, right? Right. To do that. So it's always like, you ever notice that people who claim to talk to God, It's always self-servant, right? Nobody ever says, oh, I was talking to God. And he's like, you know, Ted, you're such a dick.

You know, you need to straighten it up and do this and that. It's like, no, I talked to God. Oh, JT. So I was talking to God. And he says that, you know, you should come over to my house and cut my lawn. Right. It's like, it's never like, oh, God said I should come over and cut your lawn. You know.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God told me to do this. Yeah, it's always self-serving. Yeah, and you make a really good point, right? Like, they act as if because of genocide was committed against them, that they get a pass on committing a genocide against somebody else. Or it's okay that they take somebody as land because of genocide. I've even heard them make this argument. It's like, well, what happened to us? There needed to be some kind of rough justice. Yeah, there needs to be some kind of remuneration or there needs to be some kind of elumeration or there needs to be some kind of, um,

allow it, some grace given. It's like grace, the steal somebody else's land? That's what you believe? I've had the guys come on the show, make the argument about this stuff, right? It's outrageous. Well, by the way, to what happened during the Holocaust, it's not possible for anyone to make up, right? Like, Germany can't make it up.

Poland can't make it up. I mean, it's just like, aside from, I mean, aside from the 6.8 million people, right? There's also billions, possibly trillions of dollars of bank accounts, insurance policies, real estate, artwork, you know, securities, cash that was stolen. I mean, it was a massive economic enterprise on the part of the Third Reich to steal Jewish wealth. And, I mean, I don't see, I think if Germany had to compensate the surviving Jews today, it would go bankrupt. It would be, you know, it's like Germany would have to cease to exist.

I don't think they have enough assets that they could do it. Well, they've been paying billions for years, though. Yeah, but it's like not enough. I mean, it's not possible. I mean, well, look, there's no way to quantify the suffering that was imparted to the Jews, the Poles, the Russians, the gypsies, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You can go down the line to the people that they effectively tortured the death. There's no way to finance. There's no way to compensate that.

There is no amount of money. They could... It's like slavery. It's impossible. Yeah. That's my problem with reparations. There's just not enough money in the world, right? Yeah.

I mean, you can't have to take up the pain. I don't, again, I don't have to denigrate what those people went through in contrast of going after the state of visual, if that makes sense. I can do both. I can say this was absolutely horrendous. By the same token, what you guys are doing, it's horrendous also. You're mimicking. You should know better, right?

I mean, you of all people should know better. What Hitler was doing to the Jews. You were effectively doing that to the Palestinians. I mean, it's astonishing. Let's see here. I think we have a Robbie question here. Okay. I'm going to put Robbie up here.

Okay, so Robbie, this is from Ethan Gainer. Big fan of the show. Hi, guys. Robbie, after your rant about population on TMI, I was wondering where you stood on homosexuality. Yes, I'm gay. Yes, that's actually my last name. Yes, it's funny. It's like Gloria Gaynor.

Okay, anyway. All right, Bobby, you might be getting hit on here. Well, it's definitely possible, especially after y'all just mocked every Christian that actually believes what they profess is being mentally insane. So I want to appreciate y'all for doing that. I'm going to God directly. Like, I talk to God and talk to them every day. I pray does. I have, like, you know, fish for dinner tonight?

Well, the question of prayer. That's the problem. It's the issue. Well, the whole concept of prayer is that you, is that you take your petitions before the Lord. So, yeah, I talk to him every day. Now, does he talk about him? Yeah, that's my question is, does he talk to you? He does through his word.

He does through the Bible. He does through inspiration. He does through guidance. But he doesn't audibly speak to you like from, like it did in the Old Testament. But he won't work in signs anymore. faith of that works is dead. Meanwhile, it's impossible to please him without faith. And faith is believing in something that you can't see or hear. So now to answer his question, as a Christian, I'm going to get in trouble with this. Yes, I believe homosexuality is a sin. The Bible condemns it

in both Testaments. That being said, what you do in your house, I don't care about. Who you sleep with, though, does not make you a protected class. Like, for example, I sleep with a black woman. That does not make me a protected class, nor does it make her one. What you do in your home? go with God. Don't care does not impact me at all. No, this is not a Christian country where Sodominy was punishable by death like it was 100 years ago. So that's pretty much where I stand with it.

All right, Robbie. Okay, so this is obviously more for you, FUSO, JT. Will the aliens be MAGA or liberals? Neither. Let me ask both of you. Let me actually this. Because from my point of view,

if you had a benevolent civilization that was coming to Earth, could it really make contact in a way that we're not going to consider it hostile? Like, meaning, if you, it was perfectly that's like the day the Earth stood still question, right? Yeah, there's no way to do it.

Like, meaning any interaction especially from the standpoint of governments or something else is going to be taken poorly. Out of an abundance of caution, you have to expect, you have to assume the worst. Yeah, it's not like,

maybe they're just here to say hi. Maybe they're just here, they're just curious. I don't think it's, I think it's more extensive, to be honest. Like, for example,

when I had Lou Elizando in show, Lou Elizondo was the Warren of A tip. How, like, he was talking about, I asked some of it was like, these are small craft that sometimes we're seeing. So how are they getting here? Like, are you telling me,

assuming that it's not us, this tiny craft is coming from somewhere else in order to get to it? It sounds like there's infrastructure. It sounds like there are bases. And if you're looking at some of the remote viewing that was taken place by people like Pat Price, Pat Price was effectively murdered at the point where some of the stuff he was coming out with, their basis here, which means that is more extensive than that. I don't necessarily. Not if there's not if there's, not if there's folding space, if they're folding space time. You mean like portals. Right, right.

Through like wormholes or, or just through a fold in space, right? Like so, because I mean, the big, right, the big wrinkle is the speed of light. The speed of light is an inherent time limitation. You know, nothing, you know, under normal rules of physics, nothing can go faster than that. So, 1806 feet per second, sort of. Gravity can move fast, meaning the folding of space itself could potentially move faster. So the thought is that when, like, let's say for like the Nimitz, for example, or some of the craft that they've been finding, when they had to go fast and the pilots were looking at it. And you heard the palette talking and the palette is like, whoa, look at this thing go.

Some of the things that they say is like, they're deflecting our radar. And it's like, well, you don't really know that. Like, you don't know if the deflection of the radar is a principle of the way the ship moves. meaning the ship may not be moving and it can mention a way it could be the shape of the ship just like um like stealth a stealth bomber deflects right right true true kind of but this deflection seems to be put it this way if you're folding gravity if you were using gravity as a move means of propulsion anything that you fire at it light moves in a straight line it moves in the direction space gravity curves space and so lightly

Like can curve also in response to gravity, right? Well, light is just moving in a straight line. It's the space that's curved. And so from the perspective of the person who's looking at the light, it comes across as if the light is scattered. It's like if you're looking at a black hole. I don't know if you've seen the images of the black hole that's in the center of the galaxy.

It looks like light is being coming around it. But what's happening is it's bending space to such a degree that even though light is going in a straight line And from the perspective of the viewer, it looks like light is curving around the object because space has been folded. I'm saying the ship that is using gravity as a propulsion mechanism would do the exact same thing to any rate of it. It's like some of the stuff that they're observing speed of the craft and those type of things

can be a manipulation of gravity. But the problem is that like under like Lagrangian theorems and all that, like is if you go, an object goes with mass goes faster than 186. or achieves the speed of light or faster, then it literally fills up the entire universe in the blink of an eye, right? That's assuming, but if they're using gravity, that's not true. But I think the interdimensional, I mean, the universe is such a big place. The galaxy is such a big place that for aliens to be coming from far, far, far away,

they need to either live tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years, which is possible, or they need to be, they have to have a workaround. right they have to yeah hence gravity yeah that's why star trek uses the warp bubble i mean the warp bubble is kind of problematic in general um negative manner stuff like that but they use the warp field because it's the belief that gravity itself meaning the folding of space can go faster than speed flecked there's no limit to it in the context of gravity there is a limit to it from a standpoint of mass where you're trying to build up speed and etc etc your speed your weight becomes infinite you know time becomes so much infinite stuff like that but gravity is so it's a

It's believed to be the workaround. No, it's fascinating. Let's move on. We have more questions. Yes. Sorry. Okay, keep it real F. I never understood how you know that the, I never understood you know, is the U.S.

helped the Jews during the Holocaust, but have to financially support them. Shouldn't it be Germany's sole responsibility for Germany? I'm not for Israel. I'm not sure you 100%. I mean, the U.S. didn't do shit for Jews during the Holocaust and that's like to its eternal shame but we turned them away right

like yeah we sure fucking did like the St. Louis yeah there's that ship of people who were like basically hopscatching from like Cuba all over the East Coast and kept being refused at port of entry so yeah no the

FDR repeatedly refused to bomb the train lines to the camps and all that basically the thinking was you know well we'll defeat Nazi Germany and then the Holocaust will end. But in the meantime, you know, people are dying. Shouldn't it be Germany's sole responsibility for Israel? I think so. You know, yeah. You might throw in the, you know, Poland and Ukrainians too because they had quite a role there, too. Yeah, Vanda rights. I mean, but let's keep in mind, though, Israel is being, we don't care about Israel proper.

What we care about is using them as a tool for U.S. military conflict in the Middle East, where we don't have entirely get involved in. I mean, pathway to Persia, the document in and of itself, use Israel to go after Iran and basically blame Israel for it, saying we don't really have anything to do with the fact that Israel is going after Tehran. I mean, obviously, it doesn't work their way in practice. Here's a question I don't have a good answer to. Wedden is Gay.

Thanks so much for the very generous donation, $10. Love your analysis. Off topic, what do you guys know about Eritrea and its dictator? I don't know Dick. How about you? Eteria. My knowledge of Eritrea comes in the context of the war in Ethiopia, where Ethiopia was divided, where there was, oh, God, so long I haven't done this.

The TPLF tried to. to effectively take over the European government. The TPLF had been in power for like 30-something years. Eid Trea made peace with Abbas in Ethiopia, in which case they were working together to go after the TPLF. But I don't know specifically about Eitrea. I only know I'm in the context of working with the Ethiopian government to go after the TPLF in that war.

I will read up on that. Thanks for the donation, Phileas Favis Favis. I've heard that instead of being anti-trans, Iran's homophobia manifests itself as demanding that homosexuals change their sex and that some trans people here cite Iran as a pro-trans example. That's true, and it's strange but true. The Iranians will say like, oh, well, Ted, oh, if you say that you now want to, you're gay and you want to have sex with guys, actually you should become a girl, then you'll be strict. straight and you'll be a trans woman and you'll be a straight trans woman. That's, man, some twisted logic. That's intense.

I get the logic, but Jesus, that's intense. It's intense, yeah. No, it's true. F.E.C.O, South Korea just ordained a robot as a Buddhist monk. Now with sex robots, we can bang a robot, then ask a robot to forgive our sins. Sex robots are not a bad idea. Let me explain why I say that. I'm all here.

That sounds horrible, right? Look, there is a problem with incels. I think it's a problem. Yes. And in a situation where it's like we hate women because women are interested in you. Like women may just not be interested in you for various reasons, right? Like some people are clearly going to be ordering in a sense that they are not going to have the interests of women while simultaneously will still have sexual drives of everybody else.

Now, you can say constitution is fine and maybe sexual robots takes away from the prostitution. But obviously, those people are, they need attention in some way. They have a problem. No, I mean, and therefore, society has a problem. I agree with that. Yeah. It has to be resolved. In some countries, they pay for prostitution.

They would say, we're going to give old people prostitutes to know that they help with their urges and everything else. Well, we don't do that here. And I think it will be a little bit weird if we tried to do that here. But it's sex for a what? Hey, never know. Yeah, no, I mean, I agree with that. Yeah.

All right. If Manchild, thanks for the two bucks, if Israel's economy is hitting a trillion dollars, why do we still need to subsidize their defense industry? Is BB a trillionaire's kid who still wants his parents to pay for his car insurance? I mean, so this is something that we had on the rundown. So I'm glad that Manchie's, brought it up. So Netanyahu was on 60 minutes yesterday. He said that, among other things,

he wants to Israel to wean itself off the $3.8 billion a year it gets as an allowance from the United States. That's not even counting all the supplemental military and economic assistance it receives for things like the genocide in Gaza and in Lebanon and so on. But that's just like the allowance it's been on since Camp David, right? My take on this, J.T., is that basically Netanyahu is looking at the numbers. He sees that there's not going to be any money coming in from the U.S. within the next 10 years. So therefore, he's just being realistic and saying, like, yeah, we've got to fly free little bird because no one likes us anymore.

He blamed social media. He said, oh, you know, you can see the rise of social media 20 years ago is when we started losing our narrative. I have a different take. My take on this is social media, for all of its faults, allows people, allows information to bypass traditional corporate gatekeepers. And so, you know, we're seeing imagery of genocide that we never would have seen at all, you know, if, like, we had to rely on CBS evening news. and therefore, you know, people are getting more unfiltered information. Whatever the cause, no, you know, I guess my question is, why the fuck have we been paying $3.8 billion a year for so many years for decades?

And I guess my question for you, Jamaral, is if Israel is completely like de-seckled off the U.S. teat and is no longer gobbling up our tax money. Will they be even freer to operate with a, you know, a hand to do whatever the fuck they want? Or, you know, will they, will their influence in Washington Wayne? I mean, will they become more of a pariah state? Will they go more off the reservation? Or is the fact that they get money from us, does that restrain them or constrain them in any way? I think, okay, you make a really good point.

And I agree with your point. I think the money, from my point of view, the Israel is the United States dog in the region. They allow the U.S. influence in Middle Eastern affairs. And it breaks up this idea of a united Arab pancia of sorts in that particular region. The money that we effectively give them is that assist them in doing just that, meaning our work in that region. But let's be honest, Israel also has its own mind, meaning there are things that Israel may want to accomplish. accomplished that the United States, let's say they chaf at the yoke or they chaf at the leash that the United States effectively has them on, quote unquote, has them on. And so if you think about it, yeah, if you were, see, this is problematic for Israel, though, in one sense. Yeah, you may want to be off the yoke of the U.S. meaning you may want to be able to do what you want

to do in the region to create this greater Israel in a way that other U.S. presidents may have, let's say, not necessarily allowed. And it's just a way. It's clear that when the U.S. asserts itself as they stop currently with the political support, the support from the United Nations Security Council or support like a veto in the United Nations. All of these things are beneficial to Israel. It goes beyond the way. If you think of the case that the United States was arguing, where it made the argument that Israel has the right to effectively commit a genocide. Or if you think of U.S. policy where the U.S. effectively lied under the Biden administration that Israel was starving people,

which should have affected the way the United States engaged them, the U.S. just lied about it. So it goes beyond just the money and it goes into this kind of political protection that Israel gets. Now, the catch becomes, I get that they may want to be, let's say, removed from this much U.S. influence. But I think they need to kind of reconcile the world that they would exist in without the U.S. support even beyond the money. It's not just the money, right? Like, meaning if you get a UN Security Council resolution going against Israel, where military influence is applied to the state of 8 million people. Well, what does that look like? Even if you don't get the money, even if you have a military, that is problematic for you,

moving forward in the world without the U.S. backing you and without the U.S. support. So, yeah, I agree with you that they may chafe at that leash. They may not like that leash. They may even want to be off that leash. I agree with you that they're looking at the U.S., let's say the sentiment of the American public shift heavily in a direction against them. And permanently. Yeah, but they need to reconcile what that world looks like without the U.S. support, regardless of what Nanyahu wants in the context of this greater issue. Yeah.

That's my point. No, I think that's right. Let's talk about this report from EuroMed Human Rights Monitor. And basically, it's confirming and documenting something that those of us who follow this this story have known for a while, that basically Israel employs systematic sexual violence in its jails and prisons against both men and women. One of the most, in Nicholas Christoph sort of details in today's New York Times, some of the lowlights of this report.

And to my mind, one of the worst ones is a victim of being sodomized by IDF troops in an Israeli facility. At one point, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're just, you know, putting things up his rear end. And at one point, um, they all like kick off and he smells cigarette smoke. He realized, oh, it's time for their cigarette break. It's so methodical that they like stop the torture like, oh, dudes. It's, it's, it's, you know, it's like, it's our government mandate break. We, you know, like we're not going to torture on the clock here, uh, off the It's that systemic, right? It's just sort of like time to make the donuts.

It's not like bored soldiers at Abu Ghraib who have, you know, are poorly trained and don't know what the fuck they're doing and end up in a Stanford prison experiment kind of, you know, mentality. This is about people who it's just like, this is policy and this is what we do. This is, we, you know, time to make the donuts. Yeah, and every accusation is an admission. Like, God, man, I nearly got fired for this. Like, the story is mind-blowing to me. So when the New York Times was reporting, basically the New York Times came out with a story,

effectively saying, we can't find the rapes, talking about what they called Hamas raping, all of these women associated in the October 9th, 8, October 7th, 3. And my thing was like, okay, but where are they? If indeed you're claiming this, because they were claiming that they were cutting their heads off of babies, that all of these women were systemic.

Babies in the microwave. Yeah, all of this stuff. And my thing was like, okay, but where are the rapes? New York Times comes out with a story saying, we can't find all of this, quote, systemic rapes that Israel is claiming happened to Hamas. And, you know, it got to the point where when I ran the story, I was threatening with being fired, basically saying, you know, I don't care if New York Times says it, that effectively everybody else is claiming is true, so we pretend that it's true.

And now you have finally the reality coming out of no, no, no, the systemic rapes are taking place in the Israeli prisons against Palestinian men and women. And again, I point to the case where they raped that guy on camera. As you point out, where the guy was bleeding internally and nearly died from his wounds. And the majority of Israeli society, when acts on the news, said that should be fair game. And they raided the prison to free the soldiers that committed the rapes. Like, it's not just a jail issue. It's a societal issue. And that's something to reconcile.

I'm glad the New York Times finally observed reality, something that everybody knew was taking place than that nobody would ultimately talk about. It's outrageous. It's outrageous. And it's a society. issue. It's not just an Israeli IDF issue. It's a societal issue where it's accepted.

And you know, Josh Gottheimer would say, well, we're picking on the Israelis because rape happens in other countries. But when rape happens in other countries, they're not doing it with your tax dollars. Right. I mean, the rapists

are not paid by the U.S. government. And then that's a systemic. Like, it's not like, I mean, I think your example is great. It's like, hey, we're raping this guy. We're calling trauma to this guy intestines where he's bleeding to death, but it's a cigarette break, so we've got to head out and we'll be back in 30 minutes. Don't go away. Be right back. Yeah, we'll be back. Just late. We'll be back. I mean, that's outrageous. Like it's one, but man, I don't, I accept bad apples. This is not a bad

apple. This is policy. There's a difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so, one more last question about this topic. I want to talk about Laredo. So Annie Anna, so Satan Yahoo wants to remove U.S. influence, but how do we remove Israel's influence from the U.S.? Well, it's like saying how do you get money out of politics, right? I mean, Israel will have influence in the United States as long as it has an effective lobbying campaign, as long as it has a significant minority of Americans who support it and care about it and think it's a priority. When that stops to be the case, then it won't have that support.

I mean, I think the idea that, I mean, Netanyahu is not a dumb guy, and he can see within 10 years, Israel's not going to be able to count on U.S. funding anymore. So in a way, I'm like, right there, right there is like your prediction. Just, you know, it's kind of like, it's like in the Adams family movie where one of the characters says, like, why is everyone dressed in black? Is there going to be, did someone die? And the hood girl goes, wait. It's just wait, just wait 10 years, you know.

It'll just, it'll solve itself. Laredo, six migrants, obviously migrants, were found dead in a cargo, train box car. Laredo is right on the border. It's a huge trading hub. 62% of Texas's land port trade goes through Laredo. A little mysterious is what happened to them. You know, you would expect that they baked to death. in the box car, but it hasn't been that hot.

It's been in the 80s and low 90s at most in Texas. I mean, obviously, we're being asked to speculate here. But what do you think may have happened? I mean, they just started investigating. And I guess the question is, you know, these kind of things happened from time to time. There was the semi-truck a few years back full of, you know, of migrants who were sneaking in and something went wrong and a lot of them died in there. I mean, hot.

It's, I wonder if, I mean, even if it's 80 degrees, if it's enclosed. Yeah, it's getting much hotter. Yeah, it's like dogs being in the car at 80 degrees. They're going to die in that car. And people may also. I don't know if they were trapped in it at that point. I mean, I think this does say something about our immigration system and people willing to take risk to get here. coyotes, that's the other thing, right?

People who effectively make money from putting people in any circumstances and try to get them into the United States and the government. Yeah, I don't know. It's sad. I mean, like, we have a screwed up immigration system in general. Yeah, it's sad. I don't know in other words. I don't want anybody losing their life trying to have a better life. Yeah, no, of course.

I mean, I guess one would hope that, you know, maybe it's possible for, I think this was Union Pacific Railroad. Maybe there's ways to sort of be more proactive in terms of searching the trains to make sure this sort of thing isn't happening. For the train company's own good. We're going to be, we're going to have a Q&A show, yeah, at 12 noon Eastern time. So guys, if you have questions for Robbie, myself, JT, any or all of us, you have comments, anything you want to say. This is a free fire zone, unless something major breaks between now and 12 noon and two hours from now. You know, it'll be basically anything you guys want to talk about.

So do tune in here at 12 noon, and we will enjoy that and we'll enjoy seeing you. Thanks for your support. I'm going to see if I can hit this button over here while you. I'm going to put Robbie in here and just see if you guys, in case I go away, you guys close out the show. I'm still trying to figure out this transition here. So here we go. No, no words. Go ahead.

Look, you guys are listening to D. Program? Ted Rawl, Jamal, Jamal Thomas, Robbie. I need to get your last name, Robbie, because for some reason I'm weird. Robbie Wiss. West, like the direction. W.E.S.T. Robbie West. Okay.

Ted Rawl, Jamal, Thomas, Robbie West. I do need to update. I do need to work on my dress code because I look like a cheap pimp from Little Rock. and you're over here just, no, you're looking like, you know, a stylish businessman

from New Orleans. And it's just, I got to step up my game. New Orleans. Well, I'll, I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Somebody said he looks like you're playing his jazz or something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's like, look, at least go upgrade

to the darker t-shirt. A dark? I know. Right. It's like classier stuff up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The white t-shirt is definitely like an under- shirt. The colored shirt is like, oh, you can just wear that, you know. Robbie, I appreciate you. Why are you so racist against white t-shirts? Well, you should, look, commit fully to the look, Robbie. Just get like a wife beater.

I thought about it by my wife. She actually banned those. She's like, you're already redneck enough. She did? Oh, 100%. She's like, That's too right there. She's like, she's like, Robbie, though, listen, I'll each, I'll eat squirrels. I will eat whatever it is you bring home from the woods, but the wife beater, that's just, that serves a bridge too far. Wait, you have had your wife's squirrels? Oh, God, yes.

You know, it's funny. There's a show on, oh, what is it called? What is it called? Bootleggers. I think there's bootleggers. I think it's bootleggers. So something like that, that comes on discovery. And the guy is always, without a shirt on, is always wearing a white beater. My mom one day was like, why is that guy always in a white be? It could be like 20 degrees outside.

You're going to be a hilarious. Absolutely. I mean, let me tell you all crazy this, no, what we are, and then we'll go. Yeah, very quickly, then I'm hitting the button. So here, Ted, you've been here at our house. For those of you who do not know, my wife has a Black Lives Matter flag, and I got a Confederate battle flag right there next to each other, right there on the wall. I mean, if you want to know the poster child of what a interracial family looks,

like, which race is the biggest joke in the world. Come to my house. I'll feed you possum, and we'll just have a good time. Okay. That's some strange American shit. Okay. Bye everyone. Fried.

Grilled, it don't matter. Stay tuned to TMI show with me and Manila Chan, except it'll be Robbie West rolling in for Manila Chan. That's coming up right now. Thanks, JT. See you at 12 noon Eastern time for the Q&A. Bye. That's the sake.