DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Lindsay Clancy: Killer, Victim, or Both?

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. Ted Rall, Jamarl Thomas, and Robby West debate the Lindsay Clancy case: a mother who strangled her three children amid claimed postpartum psychosis, resulting in a hung jury (11-1 for acquittal). They clash over whether planning and method prove guilt or whether insanity, demons, or psychosis excuse responsibility. Discussion covers jury holdouts, double jeopardy, and state power. They then analyze 2028 Democratic prospects, dismissing Kamala Harris, questioning Gavin Newsom’s California record, and debating Pete Buttigieg versus Josh Shapiro amid Israel, race, and electability issues, plus viewer questions on self-defense and juries. LIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShow https://x.com/tedrall https://x.com/JamarlThomas #tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

It's 12 noon Eastern Time. It's Wednesday, September 16th, 2026. Happy birthday again to my dad, Big 98. Thank you very much for joining us. Yeah, you heard that right. 98 years old. Born in 1928. Okay, so right before we, oh, I should introduce T everything up.

This is the Q&A episode, which means if you have questions, comments, whatever, you can do what someone. said earlier online, like, put us on notice. You're on notice. You can do that. Did they really say that? You've been put on notice? You're on notice, Raw. Ted Rawls on notice. Ooh. Rawls on notice. Ooh, not notice. I got an email from one of them saying, do you understand, Robbie, that you are, you are morally apprehensible. You, sir, are a Nazi and a white supremacist. You should. Oh, yeah. And said, uh, and how dare you?

you say that you are a Native American because I have said that multiple times, even though I'm wider than the clouds in the sky. Is it correct? Because my family was here when the country was founded. They fought in the Revolutionary War. There was no United States before 1776. So yes, by definition, I'm a Native American

and I enjoy hurting your feelings. And then I sent them, and then I sent this guy, that little, oh, I should have trolled her. I trolled the hell out of me. I trolled that guy. That does not make you. a Native America? Sure does.

No, exactly. There was no America before. Sure does. There was no American before. Did your family belong to? What do you do not? There was an American boy. DeWiides. Yeah, exactly. That's not a tribe. That's an invading army. That's a conquering army.

Listen, it was, it was all about the, it was all about the trolling. No, as far as I know. That's an answer synonymous with moo, mu mu, that we had. that was there last time. 100%. That's some shit. Well, I'll just, well, I don't,

what do you mean by borders? Does anybody know what time it is? Time is arbitrary. Yeah, time is arbitrary. Time doesn't exist, Jamal. Time isn't real. It's a construct. But at least I,

but at least though I can actually make the argument. No, my family is like the family generation of the country, like, you know, my ancestors came here in the late 1500s, early 16, 100s, fought in the Revolutionary War, like the Gray family from the old Zane Gray novels. My family actually married into the gray family. Some of my ancestors, like one of them was named as Captain Morgan. He was actually, his nickname is Monarchar, is the great Indian fighter. He's famous for his rum.

Yeah, he's famous for his rum and for his rum and killing Indians. So I am directly descended. I'm a direct descendant of that guy. Well, so when I'm killed off my family because my family were actual Native Americans. Well, my wife, listen, I mean, as far as I know, I'm the only person in my family

that has ever been in an interracial relationship. I mean, who knows? I mean, people jump the fence. There's all kinds of stuff. I mean, who the hell knows, right? My cousin's the fuck that I had a white woman. I'm sure. But no, I mean, no, the entire objective

was to be as trollish as I could. And that succeeded. And that's one of the reasons why I put in a, like I made a bad neighbor's, make good fences mug. If at first you don't succeed, then try, try again with Robert Lee. Just being as inflamatory as I possibly could in a funny kind of way. Because like I said before, the shirt will do it. I think that would do it.

Oh, that hamper shirt is awesome. Did you see it? No, we haven't done it yet. It goes in the merch store later. Oh, that's so bad thought. Don't forget. It has to have the deep program. logo on it.

Okay. So before we went on the air, guys, we had a, it's a reminder if you're just joining us. This is the Q&A show, which is going to be moving next week to 11 a, sorry, to 10 a.m. So we're going to basically do a two-hour show Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I think it would be better. I'm looking forward to that. It's going to be better.

I was kind of almost hoping that that was going to be the case today. But like, that's how much I'm looking forward to it. Oh, the schedule was just weird. I mean, I had already booked the, no complaints. I'm just saying that that's like an indication. that I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, so am I. I think it's just easier to do it.

It's better, yeah. And I think it's going to have better flow. All right, so before we went on the air, we were already pre-arguing, kind of, about the Lindsay, what's her name case? The lady who killed her kids, she had postpartum psychosis. 11 out of 12 jurors found her,

wanted to acquit. There was one holdout who apparently reportedly was a black guy. I don't know what that has. Wait, 11 wanted to acquit. Yes. Okay. Eleven wanted to acquit on the ground that there was reasonable doubt. And the 11th and the 12th guy, I don't know why the right keeps talking about the fact that he was black so fucking what. But the point is he was the holdout. He was Mr. 12 angry man. He was like, no, I'm not doing it. So the jury got, it was a mistrial because of that guy who refused to go along with the rest of the jury. Not that you have to. I mean, you can totally refuse. That's the system. So, but I think he was objectively wrong because it's like, come on, you had 11 people willing to acquit for reasonable doubt. If you, obviously, if 11 people on the juror out of 12 think there's reasonable doubt, probably there's reasonable doubt. And the judge seemed to agree for whatever that's worth with the 11. I would tell you, I've been in arguments

on my channel. One big one in particular that the audience made it to remember. And she pointed to the audience and she said, see, even your audience agrees with me. And my response was, I don't give a shit with my audience. Yeah, your opinion's not a democracy, right?

Yeah, this is not a democracy, right? This is my take. I don't give a shit what they think. If I think they're wrong. I think they're wrong. This is why you're my second favorite black person i love you like you're my spirit one you know my wife you guys want to be alone i'll leave you two alone hi j t how you doing buddy break it up you too otherwise i'm going to have cash patel look into your bestiality by the way i tried to create a thumbnail for the last show where we talked about cash patel in his uh pro beastiality stance And it wouldn't let me.

GROC would not let me create or GPT. And they said because of the word beastiality. Well, Fang made one. And I've actually got because of what I did. Well, Fang has no, you trained Fang. So Fang has no standard. Technical protocols. Much like it's creator.

Very much so. But no, I mean, no, but I've got that little clips like three minutes and 30 seconds. And I made a short, so I cut it down to be under the three-minute threshold. It's up right now. and oh it's it's a thing of beauty i think it's already getting the sorry growing legs it's awesome i'll say j t i mean especially the thumbnails right it's going to do well i mean i'm going to cut my own because i i did my own thing more i mean youtube i mean youtube wouldn't let me put some random dude with a goat but i've got no cash patel on one side and senator kennedy on the other

is what about the bs it's just like all right there of course you got to kind of thread that line with youtube right but it worked out good name I wish we could do, I wish we could use music. It's going to be, what about the goats? Or what about, because I remember I did this video and it was like, what about the goats are people too? I wish we could use bumper music like in radio, like I used to be on regular radio. And like you could use any music, right?

You could, so you could, I would have played like Nick Lowe, the beast in me. You know, you can't if it's short enough, but it's got to, it's got to be really short, though. So just kind of. I can't not on podcast. I looked up. I looked this up. It's like, yeah, YouTube doesn't know how they shut their video down in heartbeat. No, but what you're not even one second. No, what you do in that case? You have to make, you have to make your own using AI because AI, this is actually a good thing. AI music cannot be copyrighted. So you can make like an AI remix of it. That can be a duplicate. For the most part, that's right. Yeah. But you can massage it enough.

I mean, it has to be noticeably different. Like, it can't be a clone. Like it can't be a remix. Well, I'm sure they eventually will. It can't be a remix. But like, you're able to go with the tone and the tenor and then go that way, which is. Or you can do it. I just did and sing the zong. And, you know, it's not going to care about that.

Yeah. Yeah. But you don't want to be singing. I actually want to hear you sing. You don't. So the, okay. Is the juror, Captain America? Or is he wrong?

Now, the reason I put that out, because, again, just because a lot of people say something is true, doesn't mean it's true. Yeah. I mean, that's my take in general, right? Like, yes, I could be the low man out. And yes, I could be wrong. If I think I'm totally right about something,

how am I going to ignore that? Yeah, Barbara Lee. Barbara Lee, she was the only vote against the invasion of Afghanistan, and she was the only one who was correct. Right. Captain America, yes. She murdered her kids. Sorry.

She murdered. Well, she killed her kids. That's not in question. The question is, if you're psychotic, can you raise your psychosis as a defense in a, in a, in a murder trial? In the United States, you can't. And the point is how old were her kids, by the way. Well, the Dred Scott law was also settled, you know, with the fusion of slave act. That was a legal law where if you caught a slave, you could send them back to the people I ran away from.

Just because it's legal doesn't might, does not mean it's right. Well, we're not really asking about what right is different. Right is hard. Yeah, I'm not talking about right. Yeah, we're not really talking about right. Okay, so Lindsay Clancy was her name. The three kids were Callan, who was eight months old, Dawson, three, and Cora, five.

So eight months after she had her kids, she was in the middle of psychosis. Yeah. Postpartum. They're trying to say this was postpartum. Yeah, it was postpartum. some psychosis and like... Eight months? Well, that's, frankly,

without getting too personal, that can happen. Yeah. I mean, I'll ask me... I think you have a different take on this because you have kids and I don't know. Well, also because my ex had postpartum, so I, depression, so I know.

And how long was it before she finally got passed? I would say probably probably about a year. She murdered three kids with Ted. Um, it's frankly having gone through it, it's easy to see how that, how that would happen. I mean, postpartum, look, the thing is pregnancy really fucks with a lot of women. And we don't talk about it in our culture because we're retarded.

But like the point is like half of women, literally half of women, stop fucking their husbands. And that may never come back like for years, right? And it leads to a lot of divorces. Um, like the depression thing is. is over the top. She claimed to have psychosis, like, you know, people were, you know, like she was hearing voices and shit. I mean, she was clearly crazy. Her, whether it was the postpartum or not, she was crazy. So she was crazy. So she created more shared a kids. I mean, because again, she had three other kids. Not according to, not according to her husband.

So she had an insanity defense, right? So the, I mean, the first question is, is an insanity defense ever legitimate? Yes. Of course. Okay. So if we, because if you don't think that, we don't need to move further, right? That's it. Robbie, do you think about sanity defense is ever a legitimate defense? No. Okay. Never. You don't think anybody ever goes. Judas was possessed by Satan, betrayed Jesus, and he ended up paying a price for it. You're talking about legal issues, Robbie. In the context of the law, do you think people could be, like meaning, do you think somebody could be not in control of their faculties in committing a murder or a crime? that they can use that as a legal defense.

Well, if you could, then you could excuse DUIs because by definition, you're outside of your mental faculties, you're mentally impaired, and if you kill somebody because you're drunk, it's he chose to be drunk. Well, it's the same exact thing. Like this woman, let's just, let's just, it's not the same thing. There's a big difference between those things. If I choose to drink or take pot and then get it to the vehicle,

regardless of whether I'm impaired or that, I chose to do those things before getting into it. Yeah, I think it might be true if like you had no, if you, if you, if you, if the person didn't know what, what booze did somehow was ignorant of that. And then drank booze and then when it got in a car and killed someone, I'd say, okay, maybe they have a defense there. But if you know what's likely to happen or can happen, then it's a severe case of reckless endangerment, right? That's somebody who's somebody elsed and they didn't know it. They put something in their drink and they didn't know it. And they kill somebody.

Yeah. Well, they're not in control that. That's not their fault. They literally didn't know what was taking place. That's not their fault. In fact, they probably prosecuted the person who put it in their drink. And they should have. Because of that point, that person was an unwitting weapon. So here's

the reason why I come out as hard as I do against this lady. She planned it. She had these, her youngest her youngest kid was eight months old. During all of that time, she was a nurse, she had insurance.

well-to-do family she could have got help if that was truly the case she sought help and it was repeatedly refused and then yeah wait Robbie I'm sorry please no you're fine

she saw help well that's what I'm saying you say it was refused what do you mean in other words like basically she she was misdiagnosed repeatedly what did they diagnose her with um

they not postpartum psychosis I'll look this up while you guys talk about. So basically, you're saying that they, let's say they called it something else when it was really postpartum depression and she killed the kid. There are three kids who no longer exists. Right. So there should be no consequences for that.

And she planned it. Keep of mind. She asked her husband to go. They treated her with standard postpartum depression, anxiety, and insomnia, failing to recognize and diagnose her underlying postpartum psychosis and bipolar disorder. But you said there was no, but did they know that she had, but I guess this doesn't matter, people with bipolar can have kids. But the husband, as you pointed out, was like there was nothing there before she got pregnant and had this child. And as, as Robbie pointed out,

Robbie made the point of saying that she planned it. Robbie, Phil us in on this. 100%. So the day that she decided to murder her children, and I've used that word deliberately, she murdered them. She asked her husband to go on a honey-do list,

gave him a list of things that she needed, what she needed him to do. Then she got herself a cord, and then she systematically took the time to strangle each one of her children to death. She did that. Okay, so she, I've asked this before, and you basically, you senali did.

That was going to be my new verb here on the show. Oh, man. You senolied your way out of a straight answer, right? You senolied me. So don't sannali me again. Like, you told, you said, you just, I mean, this was, okay, let's just stipulate everything you said is exactly what you, is exactly correct. It is.

What is her motivation? What was her motive? I mean, she tried to kill her kids and then she tried to jump out the window, right? Correct. Okay, so what was it? Okay, so what did she stand to gain out of this? Was she going to run away with her new boyfriend? No, because she's going to be out the window. Was she going to collect the insurance money? No, because she's going to be out the window. I mean, the fact that she tried to commit suicide, to me, tips it over in like, clearly she was crazy. Okay. Only crazy people commit suicide. That's not true at all. And Ted, I did not. I did not, Sonali, this answer. I gave you an answer that she didn't like. There's a difference. I mean, there is a difference, but you Sonali did because you didn't answer my question. I did.

I said she was evil. I said she's an evil woman. And that most likely his voices that she was hearing is either a demon, which is what I personally believe or a legitimate. Okay. So let's stipulate that it's a demon. So that's not a senaliism. Okay.

That is me giving you an answer that she don't like because you don't believe in a higher power. All right. So if you're Sissy SpaceX walking up the stairs backwards in the movie and you're possessed by a demon, you should, she should not be held responsible for anything she does because she's not in charge of her own body. She's possessed. She's doing shit that a demon is making her do. A demon is just a different way of understanding a form of psychosis, right?

Basically, your brain ain't right. Something is in charge of your brain. You are telling your, you might tell your hand to do something, but something else. else is telling your hand to do something. I mean, it's like, in my view, you know, if you're not right and you're not controlling yourself, like, let's say you sleepwalk and you kill someone, okay? Are you guilty? No. I don't really know of a case or someone who's going around systematically murdering their children and their sleep. So I would love to have that case. I'm sure someone's murdered someone while sleepwalking. I'm sure that's happened. So, so,

So please put it out. Now, the question is that you're asking, and I'd be as clear about this as I possibly can, if you kill someone, if you murder someone, it's premeditated because that's what this woman did. She sent her husband out on a on a honey-do list, and then she strangled her children. She is 100% responsible. Those innocent children, they're never going to have a life to grow up into. They're never going to have a chance to get married. They're never going to have a family of their own.

their entire future is taken away from them. That debt must be paid and that has be paid with her head. I don't know. This is, yeah, I don't know. I'm conflicted. It's right. It's a very tough problem.

So was that senoliasim, Ted, or is that clear enough for you? Thank you. That was clear. You desonolied it. I appreciate it. Did they do any kind of brain scans or anything else? Or this was purely psychological where they were like, well, we think she was out of my.

No, I'll look that up. I'm trying to find, is there any material? thing to give this woman the benefit of the doubt in this. Because again, for my, it's like, dude, you kill three kids. And I've never had kids, right? So I don't have the experience of postpartum depression in regards to her wife. I don't have that. I've had dogs, but...

All right, so here we go. Basically, expert altruistic delusion. Experts testified that her psychosis caused her to believe that her children couldn't live without her and that she needed to kill them out of love to protect them from suffering after her own planned suicide. By the way, my mom told me that she many times thought about killing herself and killing me first. So, yeah, that made me feel secure when she told me that. Dr. Ziesel noted that he's the expert that when Clancy sought help at a prenatal clinic in December of 2022, she exhibited documented paranoia, a severe fixation that her

brain was damaged and an overwhelming fear that people could hear her thoughts. Was there any evidence that people couldn't? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Well, I mean, you know, I mean, look, it's very, look, it's fascinating, right? It's totally fascinating. Yeah. They have three kids that are, I don't know, man, that's rough. Because she is paid price. She's in a mental institution. Like she gets acquitted and then just goes home to what, her husband? Well, she's in a middle of hospital and she's paralyzed. So I mean, but. Oh, some jumping up window. Yeah, but at the end of the day, the fact that she failed to kill herself,

really what she should have done is do is do the jump out the window first and then try to kill her kids. That would have been the correct order of things here. But she didn't do that. She just decided I'm going to, I'm going to kill my children by strangling them, which is one of the cruelest ways that you can kill someone. Strangulation is not easy. No, it's hard. It's horrible. She is a monster and she should be dead today. She should not be stuck in air. Why did she think the husband wouldn't take care of the kids if she tried to commit suicide? Did they explain that in her delusion? Well, she was psychotic, obviously. Let's remind you. Yeah, but she had logic to the psychotic. But her, But I mean, I would imagine, you know, maybe her, she thought only a mom, you know, the husbands is, you know, moms always think dads do a shitty job and do our bad parents.

Yeah, but there's one thing between a shitty job and murdering them with a thing. My wife, please. Because as you pointed out, the delusions had a logic to it. It's like if you're watching a movie, there may be some insane shit in the movie, but there's a logic to the movie ideally. Yeah. In her mind, according to what the guy is saying, she wants to die. She believes her kids are worse off in life with their dad as opposed to her strangling them to death. Right. The delusion doesn't. But again, you're asking for, you're asking for logic here. I mean, by definition, it's sort of like, you know, when you have a dream and the logic of the internal logic of the dream when you wake up, like often doesn't make sense. right physics are different um relationships are different actions don't make sense at least they don't relate perfectly to our world and i mean i think that's like when you're going through a psychotic break and like the blood's not flowing through your brain and reaching your you know hypothalamus and

correctly and all that um you know things data is misinterpreted and so everything you end up with you're living in an you know in an alternate universe spock has a beard the federation is an empire. Everything's fucked up. Everything's weird. Everything's a Kimbo. I think I mean, I think that's it can't impose logic on an illogical psychosis.

Nothing's more illogical than psychosis. I suppose that's why it was a hung jury. Yeah. Is there 10% reasonable doubt? Yeah. Everything in me wants the prosecutor. Everything in me wants a prosecutor. I think in the civil suit,

maybe she gets, she gets convicted but not in the criminal who gives a shit about the sole suit they want her head i mean like she killed three kids she's i mean i mean i not for fun though i'm not saying she did it for fun i'm saying she did it i don't care if she hated it she did it yeah she did it and she's been crying she has paid the price she had she is in she is locked up you have when we started this you asked what no would would we have voted against the rest of the jury against other 11 people resisting the peer pressure of getting this stuff done so we could go home would we vote to move vote to acquit or to convict j t and me are both on the record for putting her on a cross thank you

j t wait wait i don't i don't know like i am literally in the spite of like i want to put her on a cross yes she Kill three kids. Can't do no shit like that. Tell you what. And there's another person in, what, recently that did the same thing? Tell you what, the next time there's a big trial like this, assuming you, the two of us both get on that jury. I don't know how we're going to make it happen.

Let's just both get on there and do it. Awesome. Put somebody on the car. Yeah. I don't blame the juror for telling those people to fuck off. I don't either. By the same token, I can't necessarily blame the other jurors. I mean, there's a lot of it.

Me neither. I see it both ways. Yeah. And because I can see it both ways, that's called she has to be acquitted. By the way, I would tell you, though, if I didn't know you and you didn't tell me about the post-partum depression thing, I would put her eyes on the cross too. Okay. Feed her to Clovis. Clovis, eat her.

All right. We should do some questions, right? Probably. Yeah, this is a Q&A. Oh, right, that. There we go. All right. All right.

Let's get to it. Gavin Newsom. Thank you, RACLs. Gavin Newsom, Governor of California says he will not run if Kamala runs. I'm assuming he's less of a shoe-in than we've been led to believe. What do you take? He said this. I think it was yesterday or day before yesterday. And I meant to bring that up to the group. What do you make of that? I find this to be dumb. I hate this virtue signaling nonsense. Gavin Newsom wants that office, if you want to take it, don't do this nonsense of, hey, let me put up the week. candidate that lost and couldn't even get the black vote in the Democratic primary. He's literally being the white night here. Yeah, but that's nonsense. Don't be the white knight. If you need to take the position, take the position. Yeah,

politics, politics ain't beanbag. I mean, I guess you could say, well, she was the previous presidential, she was the previous party standard bearer. But no one voted for her. She won't vote for her. Well, not nobody voted for her. Tens of millions of people voted for her. No, I'm talking, I'm not talking about the general election.

I mean, before she got on her head who voted for in a single Democratic for potato if you didn't make

this is a very easy promise to make this is like this is kind of like you know like Jamarle I promise not to steal your horse

well you don't own a horse okay I mean so it's an easy promise to keep I mean Carl Harris isn't running right so

it's like well do we know that Wait, wait, do we know that? I know that. She's not running. How do you know that? Well, first of all, I'll tell you why, because the election is in two years.

And she would have already had to start like maneuvering for fundraising behind the scenes and all that. And we would have heard reports that she was, you know, there'd already have to be an exploratory committee. I mean, we would have heard rumblings. And there's literally she's not running. You know, I mean, she's everything. that she's signaled is she's not doing it. Now, I think the more pertinent question is, is Gavin Newsom a viable candidate? He's certainly viable for the nomination, but I don't think he's viable in the general election for the simple reason that, you know, everyone in the

country thinks rightly or wrongly, I think rightly, that California is a cesspool. And, you know, when you're a governor, two-term governor and former mayor of a major city, everyone's going to assess you based on the state of your state. Nobody, if people had known what a dumb Arkansas was, Bill Clinton would have never been elected, but people know how bad California is. And they're, and so, I mean, they're all going to think like, oh, I mean, you just see the Republican ads right for, right themselves.

Like, Gavin Newsom, he'll do for the country what he did for California. You know, I mean, come on. And by the way, it's even worse since they had a super majority in California, meaning this is a Democratic stronghold. This is what Democrats want to do for America. That's what they're going to control. Every major city, they, yeah, it's a problem. Here they're poop streets and here their buildings being raided with gangs

in California and not doing like a god man, they're going to eat it alive. Here they're taxes. This is what they pay for gas. They pay $9 to the gas. Is this what you want to pay America for gas? Totally. Yeah, it's going to be, yeah, I think you would have upwind. I think the problem for the Republicans is Trump.

Yeah. It's going to be Trump. Meaning the Democrats are going to be looking at this as whoever we put up, Trump has shit the bed in regards to the presidency. And America is going to probably want to clean their palate, which means, true. We have a chance for rando Democrat, right? Which is why the left needs to go huge. Swing for the rafters.

I mean, what are they going to do? The worst thing that you can do is lose. And the reality of it is, America may be looking for something different. They could do something really fucking stupid, though. like what's his name from Pennsylvania the Zionist? The Federman. No, the other one.

The other Zionist. I don't know what the fuck happened with Pennsylvania. Oh, I know you're talking about, is it Pax? Not Paxson. What is his name? Oh, I know you're talking about

they wanted the guy to run for president. Does an Obama impression if that's the one I'm thinking of. Oh, the governor. They wanted to sign his name on a bomb or something? Shapiro. That's his name.

Yeah, the other rabbit, Zionist. He's even worse. He's even worse. Yeah, yes, he is. Yeah, I mean, many of these people have paid, like pay for gay, as I mentioned in my other. I was like, you know, they have pay for gay, pay for Zionists. Like, meaning they're not fully Zionists. They're just paid to play one on TV.

Yeah, it's disgusting. Yeah, which is even worse. But he's like, yeah, I mean, I just don't, yeah. I mean, I think, look, the best thing that can happen to their. Republicans is Trump dies or resigns, then Vance has a chance to, you know. Blame it all on Trump. Just that's all him. Exactly.

It's all him. And all he has to really do is not suck ass totally. And then, you know, maybe, maybe that's, that's their best play. Anyway, I don't, yeah, I mean, so, but I don't know. I don't see how, I don't see how Gavin, I mean, I think the Democrats might be aware enough about his, you know, California as an albatross to not nominee Gavin Newsom, although he's definitely, he's on the shortest.

Yeah, I think he's on shortlist, and he's very slick. Like, he's very slick. He's very, um, although he was terrible in that debate against DeSantis. You think so. Oh, God. I mean, Desantis was hitting him with poop streets,

which is kind of difficult to dodge around. It's like, look, look at a map of all the shit on California streets. Are you okay with this Gavin? Okay, what do you answer that? How do you answer that, right? And there's always John Osoff or Ahsov, right? Yeah, but that's Texas, right? Awesome.

I thought he was Georgia, isn't he? He's Georgia. Yeah, I don't know. Newsom, I agree with you by California being an albatross, weirdly enough. Like, it's the most, quote, progressive state. But that's not necessarily. And, yeah, not to mention, what does he bring the ticket?

that doesn't already have, you know, California's electoral votes. I mean, Democrats get that no matter what. He brings a handsome guy that women will vote for because he's handsome. That is true. That's what he brings. It's not the issues. Americans don't vote on issues. We're too shallow for that.

If we weren't, we wouldn't be voting for these clowns that we already vote for. I still think of the nominee is going to be Buttigieg. I don't think so. I think it'll be Shapiro. It won't be Buttigieg. Ain't no way. I would back to my head. Well, he is short.

And historically, you know, presidential candidates don't do well when they're short. Sorry, Robbie. And we should make a bet on this one. Yeah, let's do it. All right. Oh, let's do, let's do Kashi. Is that the name of that website, were you able to bet? Oh, like sports betting, like policy mark or both things.

Okay, so you're thinking, Buttigieg, who do you think, Robbie? Now, the Democrats are going to run? Yeah. I think it will be Shapiro. and then Newsome as a second. You think they're going to go with a hardcore Zionists in the Democratic Party. Ain't no way.

No way. Look, I can take that now. They will eat the Democratic Party alive. How do you see? The Maca Moore sponsor by itself should get across. Like, that's not going to fly. Well, I'm not saying that he's going to win. I mean, this is going to be a matter.

No, Kenny, I don't think he can be nominated. No, I don't think he can be the nominee. With the superdelegates, you could. Because Bernie Sanders won, but the party apparatus, gave it to Clinton. Oh, Robbie, I don't know about this one. I don't think so. Listen, I could be wrong.

I could sure be wrong. I mean, there's J.B. Pritzker. I mean, he could, he can be like a good post-Trump. Like, hey, I'm an overweight business person, rich. You know, he can, he can do the, unlike the last business guy, I actually did become rich and not fuck up. And I don't have to grip. But here's, here's why I think it would be Shapiro.

Illinois's important state, too. Shapiro will be able to run to the right of JD vans. And here's what I mean by that. He used to say, I'm strong on national security. I'm about defending Israel. We've got to fight those evil jihadists over there. He'll then play in the back. He doesn't get the nomination.

He doesn't even get the nomination under that. That's the whole point. He can't get the nomination. Like, meaning the base of the party, a rabbit against Israel. Like, meaning from the standpoint of the party, they are committing a genocide. They are murdering women and children and mass. like meaning they are plugged in to what Israel is doing. They're not going to.

But do the voters matter in a party that has superdelegance? Yes. That's my question. I mean, Bernie Sanders would have won if it had been up to the vote. Oh, my God. Robbie, I'm looking at the latest polling, right? Okay. Only 13% of Democratic voters are still supporting Israel.

I mean, come on, be serious. Yeah, there's no way it can be secure. Like, if they nominate him, they would guarantee him. they would guarantee a loss. I mean, not to mention, I hate to say it, it's the optics. I mean, not only is he a hardcore Zionist, but he's Jewish too. Right. You know, I mean, it's kind of like a...

Well, what's more of an albatross? Being a Jew or being gay? Being gay. Which is why I don't think Buttigieg has a... Nah, Buttigieg will be the nominee. But I think... Look, you guys are forgetting the whole democratic narrative. Like, we keep making history with losing candidates.

Geraldine Ferraro. Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton. Like, we want to, like we're pushing the envelope. Like, you know, we had a lady. Then we had another lady. But this time at the top of the ticket. Then we had a lady of color. The gay dudes next.

Now, the Jew is going too far with Bernie, right? Jew is going too far. We've already had the Jew try to run. We tried the Jew. We didn't like him. Well, Buttigieg is he's going to get zero. 0.001% of the black vote, which means he has no chance of

even... But what are... Let alone. You think Buttigieg? I mean, you think black people are so homophobic? Yeah. They're culturally conservative. I mean, a lot black people go, they go to churches.

I mean, there's a reason why a lot of, there is such a big outreach when it comes to social issues for blacks, also Latinos, because most of them are... They're just a socially conservative design. I see your point. They are not going to vote for a sword swallow. I'm sorry. To what just be clear.

It's not that I think they're homophobic. It's what they consider to be the presidency. And Buttigieg doesn't fit that mark. I mean, don't take my word for it. Look at the polling the last time Buttigieg ran. He got like one black person to vote from. And I don't even know who the guy's name is. I mean, the thing is he's very smart.

And unlike Bernie would probably be working like hell to get the black vote, right? I don't. He wasn't that smart to take. three much more for chest beating. That's true. The last primary, look up the black vote for Buttigieg. It was like negative numbers. And again, this is not because blacks are inherently homophobic.

It's not that. It's when they're looking at the presidency, they want him to be a man and a real man in the way that they look at it. You can say that's culturally conservative. Fair enough. I just think he's going to have a serious. Oh, right. And black people haven't forgotten that South Bend, Indiana police

shooting where he was not he didn't handle that very well well there will be weaponized against them by whatever candidate is right when he was mayor yeah and also that women are going to support a dude who goes down says i'm going to get paternity leave because i'm chest feeding my adopted but he is he is he is trying he's having lots of back you know behind the uh behind the scenes meetings with black leaders i bet he is trying to but it's not going to matter Yeah, I don't think it's going to matter. I just don't think it's going to matter. I could be wrong. Let's move on. We got more questions. Totally right. Got a lot more questions. All right. Q&A show. Let's do it. All right, Macadon, the real question is whether someone who lacked legal capacity could have plans the killings. She Googled how long the husband would be away so she could kill the kids.

Does that imply? That's the question. Awareness of her environment and awareness of a logic chain, meaning, I need my husband. me waited this long. Does planning, is planning negate psychosis? That's the question. I think it's been, I mean, I think it introduces doubt into the doubt, right? Well, if you make a plan and you plan it and then you kill your children in one of the most terrifying and painful ways possible, then, sorry, if she does not get the sympathy vote for me

and all of these feminists are holding her up as some kind of a hero, shame on you. I don't think anyone's seeing her as a hero. I think people are, I think that this case is bringing attention. Check Instagram. It's all over the place. This case is bringing attention to, you know, a phenomenon that many women feel correctly has been ignored and neglected by the media for years. So, I mean, I think it, look, it really, the case serves a really,

important purpose. Like, you know, more and more husbands are going to start to be aware, like, oh, you know, they're going to be more like, oh, wait, something's up with my wife. I guarantee you, if this woman wasn't a rich white woman, but a poor Hispanic maid or a black lady in Detroit, no one would know her name. I'm not denying that. That's like if O.J. had killed his black former ex, former wife, it would have been a different thing. right. Yeah. Well, I don't know. It was still juice and he still did. It was the juice. He was the juice. I don't know, man. I mean, look, whether it was black and Hispanic and whether the law would have treated her differently or not. I mean, that's more of a reason for the law not to treat her different, right? Like, it's not that I want, like, we would be treated differently. I just want to be treated as well. The, but in her case, I don't know. I mean, the reality of it is, even if she was in psychosis, which could be true, she obviously was still functional. She obviously was still functional. Like she was still doing stuff. It required some level of conscious planning in regards to it.

I don't necessarily know if that negates psychosis. Yeah, I don't know. I am conflicted on this one. Sensation 37 says people literally defending child murder. You all have no morals or values, excuses for any crime or hideous behavior. I'm not in favor of murder, including child murder. I'm not in favor of what happened here. I mean, I'm just saying that if we have a system where insanity is a defense, it seems like it applies here. And apparently 11 jurors agreed. And that's right.

And it is my right as the 12th to say, she should hang. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. I mean, like, the case, the problem with the case is, it's so subjective. Like, it's not. Bob went into a supermarket with a gun. Bob put the gun in the cashier's mouth. Bob said, give me new money.

And Bob shot the cashier. Bob ran out and bought a pair of nikes. And it's like, okay, they catch Bob with a pair of nikes. Okay, this is very clear. He murdered him to get the money in order to get the Nikes, et cetera. We've got the Nikes, we got the gun, we got the camera footage. Bob is guilty. This is not that.

No, it's not that. This is a highly fucked up, very twisted situation. Let me ask you a question, Ted. And I don't want you to senali this. I want you to be, God forbid. Be precise on this. What's the difference between what this woman did with her children

and if I just lost my mind because of the stress and I went into an office ability to start shooting people? What would be the difference? Well, I mean, if you lost your mind and you put on trial for the crime that you just described, and you were able to persuade a jury that you had actually lost your mind, let's say never mind that. Let's just say we have an omniscient narrator,

and we know that you actually lost your mind, right? Like, we can get into your brain and we can see it. And you lost, you went cuckoo for cocoa pops. You went arf, arp, tweed, tweet. Then I'd say you should go to a mental institution and get better. I mean, I don't think it's not your fucking fault if you lose your mind and you do something like that. I mean, it's like the Texas watchtower shooter in the mid-1960s. He wrote that in his final note that he wrote before he went off to do that,

I feel like something's talking to me. I feel like there's something wrong in my brain. I believe I may have a tumor of some sort. The doctors say everything is okay, but it's not. Please save my brain. I bet in the future there will be the technology to show that there was something that caused me to do this. I'm sorry. They did save his brain, and decades later, they were able to ascertain that the dude was 100% right. That basically there was a tumor pushing up against the judgment center of his brain, and it made him do that.

Was he responsible? No. Not legally. Not legally. So the tumor didn't give him psychic powers like on TV. It actually, that's not good for him. But, I mean, that's the problem with being out of your mind is you don't know you're out of your mind, right? Like, it's in Star Trek, one of the stupidest writing conceits in the original series is that, like, Kirk's been taken over by an alien, but there's still some little part of him that's still inside and he can fight back and he can fight against the alien who's taken over. That's dumb, because the whole point about having been taken over is the alien's now running you and Kirk is now in charge. We understand that by next generation because, like, you know, they fix that in the writing. And, you know, and Picard is taken over by the board. And we understand it's not him.

It's the board, right? So it's like that. It's like, you know, if you were taken over by an alien, are you responsible? Or, you know, or if you're psychotic or if you're taken over by a demon, are you fucking responsible? No. Yes. Yes. Or you are.

How does that make sense, Robbie? Wait. How the demon thing makes sense? I don't understand. Yeah, the demon thing doesn't quite make sense to me either. I mean, if it's a demon, the demon is an entity with a identity. He's doing. Yeah, because the demon is able to 100% come in and influence you and just do all kinds of things.

Kind of like the maniac in the cemetery. He's in the cemetery. He's basically been to exiled out there. He's in the book of Luke. I don't remember the exact chapter. Jesus exercised them, and he said, we are and like 7,000 demons came out of the sky. It's actually called Legion and Jesus sent into a herd of swine.

The point that I'm trying to make is, is that justice and still has to be done for the people who were the victim of what is that you did. So like, for example, back in November, when I got doxed and I had to leave the hospital because of that, I had every chance, I had every reason to be up. upset, pissed off and depressed after John pulled whatever he did. That's like a double whammy. What, bam, bam. I could make the case. I'm depressed. I'm upset over what happened. And because of that, I don't like having all these happy people around me. The world sucks. And so to spare them the pain of the world, I'm going to go to the place where I used to work.

And I'm going to start shooting the place up because I'm going to send them to a better place. But Robbie, come on. I feel like you're belittling the postpart of the because that's basically I'm pissed off, I'm angry and I'm going to murder a lot of people. But that's not really the argument that's being made, even the argument with the demon thing. Well, the argument that she made is that

the world sucks. My husband's not going to take care of her. And so I'm going to, my husband's not going to take out the kids. So I'm going to take care of this problem. You're sonaliing the demon. Let's hear about the demon. I'm not. Well, what I'm trying to understand is,

is the demon entity unto itself? Or is the demon? Meaning, does a demon have conscious intent? Or is it? Very much so. They're sentient beings. They're sentient creatures. Okay.

So if they're sentient creatures and they've taken over her, isn't it demon's responsibility? Not really hers. I mean, for example, you can make an argument that people and consciousness is along for the riot with the body and that it has some level of influence. But for all intents of purposes, there's a, you know, a fact taking place between the two things. Hell, you may even make the argument that it's one thing, posing is two things. But you would agree with me that things can, that we are responsible for it because we are the conscious entity

in charge of the machine of sorts. But if something else takes over as a conscious entity, that it takes over the machine, isn't that new conscious entity responsible for what the machine does since the previous one wasn't there. There on the internet, keep you're chopping in and out. Y'all are chopping and I keep chopping off. Can you hear me?

A small demon is lodged in your ISBN line. Is that me? Very well could be. No, I think it's on Robbie's side because, Jamal, you look good, but Robbie's fuzzy. I mean, yeah, I mean, obviously it's hard to have this particular part of the conversation without Robbie. But, I mean, if the demon is driving the car and you're along for the ride, then, you know, if the demon hits someone,

with the car, then the demons, the one who should be arrested. Right. I don't know how you do that, but yeah, the demons I don't know. It's a tough case. It's, yeah. That's why I think that's why it's been a subject just like the OJ case. I'm glad I'm not on the juror.

Yeah, I just glad I'm not on the juror. Because I don't know. By the way, we have this thing here in Richmond that is a trial. My ex-wife and I used to go to the Shakespearean house. forgot exactly where it was. But effectively, they moved it from Europe or from the UK, bought it to the U.S. brick by brick and rebuilt it in exactly where it was.

And they used to have Shakespeare and plates there. I love going to that woman, ex, wife. They have a new thing here that is trial, that the audience participates in the trial. So imagine something happens, people killed or whatever. And the audience is the juror that has to make a determination at the end of the case whether or not the person is innocent or guilty. Oh, that's so cool. I'm going to have to take one of those up.

I look forward to it. But in this case, no, I don't look forward to. No, it's not to mention those poor jurors had to look at the case files and the evidence files about the autopsy reports of the children. By the way, retry. Oh, retrial?

A guy who Roblo was called Captain America. He allowed an opportunity for the prosecution to retry because it's a mistrial. True. They haven't decided whether to do that or not. I'm guessing they're not going to because they had 11 out of 12 jurors voting for acquittal. I mean, if I'm the state, I'm like probably not going to want another whack at the apple. I also don't, by the way, I don't believe in retrials. I think it's like the state should get one shot at you and they either get you or they don't. I mean, otherwise, like, what's the

point of this? And not to mention, you have to, you have to pay for attorneys to defend yourself. I mean, it's not right. It's double jeopardy by definition. Well, it's not fair. The state has all this power at its disposal to come down. And I get it. On some level, the state needs to have power in order to go after and prosecute actual crimes and, you know, evil things taking place.

But I agree with you. The idea that I got to do this twice is insane. And sometimes they even find ways around double jeopardy in order to go after people. I mean, if the person is guilty, well, I got to be honest. I'm willing to give up a little guilty people in case of the state that happened that's how I feel. I would rather that a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison. Yeah, agree.

In general, like just as a rule. As a rule. As a rule. Basically, don't put my ass in jail, right? Like, especially if there's any chance in a innocent, oh, man, it's so much power. And it's not about justice. I want people to get that out of their minds. Can we prove that you did something?

or can we even make it appear that you've done something? Yeah, Robbie, while you were gone, I use the car analogy, the demons driving the car, the victims, the possessed persons along for the ride, if the demon runs over someone, hey, that's not on the passenger. And I think when you say those kids need justice, sometimes there's just no justice to have.

I mean, sometimes there's no one did anything wrong. It just sucks. sorry if you strangle your children you do not have the right to suck here well in your case you're arguing that a demon strangled a demon strangled well i'm saying she's evil i don't know if she's demon possessed or not or oppressed or whatever else but what i am saying is that i what i do know is that she made a plan she followed through with her plan her plan her plan was to murder her children those children are not going to have a future to grow up in that plan doesn't they deserve to be honest that plan thing, that plan argument

that wouldn't go far with me as a juror. I don't care about that. It's sort of like within your psychotic break, you can still make a plan. I mean, fucking Charles Manson was as crazy as the day is long, and he still fucking made plans about how to go after

Roman Polansky. So here's the thing, though. You're changing the argument. Your argument is how could I not go along with the other 11 jurors? My job is not to convince you. Your job is convinced me. In this case, I'm telling you, it is physically impossible.

You cannot. Okay. All right. Well, that's fair. Steph Dixon says, after I had my fourth baby, I got on antidepressants and had a dream that I killed my kids, scary stuff. I mean, this is a very, like, widespread issue that we're, thank God, starting to talk about. But we're not, obviously, there's not a lot. Duskburn says, Hillary is going to run for sure.

No way. She's a million years old. How old is she now? She's what, 82, 81? Oh, God. Oh, God, she's only 78. Yeah. Well, she looks.

She's a youngster. She's a child. She can still serve another, easily serve another 15 years in the Senate. Oh, Jesus Christ. Like a Bionne Feinstein, yeah. Yeah. And she's a big, she's a, oh,

a wee one. And one thing, I will say, I do agree with the both of you on. I mean, a jury acquitted her, but it was a hung jury. She doesn't acquitted. She should not be tried again. Double jeopardy is an even bigger far as what we've already had. I mean, the juries don't want, the jury said she's not guilty. So what it is.

What they did is what it is. They didn't say she was not guilty. Well, it's the same thing. If the state can't, if the state can't make this case, that's the distinction of the difference. They didn't. conviction. If you, if it was flipped and it was 11 to one where they wanted to convictor and there was one hold on. Oh, they go for it again. They had to get her ass in a heartbeat. But they shouldn't because they would do the trial. No, I agree with you, but they shouldn't because that's double

jeopardy. No, I think it's double jeopardy. The state should have one shot at making the case against you. Yeah, because exactly because of what JT said. I mean, the state has all, all so many advantages and they have so much power and they don't have a budget. By the way, and even the perception of getting it right, meaning when jurors are sitting there, jurors are assuming, this guy has to have done something. Right?

It's like, why does this guy hold in? Why is this the person that they're going? Yeah, there's a presumption of guilt that should not be there. Yeah, there's a presumption of guilt built into the jury on some level, even if they say it's not. Totally. It's like, yeah, why do you get arrested? Yeah. Why do you are the guy?

Totally picking you. And there's about In interrogations It was like Look, do you think I make it my business to get guilty What do you say? innocent people?

He's like, no, I'm talking to you because you're the one that did it. Like they Yeah. Well, that's because all the cop porn on TV. I mean, if you know like Blue Bloods that show that used to be on all the time And then you have the CIS and all these other shows on there Where the cops are the heroic defender doing their rest. It's cop porn.

That's why. That's why we've been conditioned as a people. to say okay you're guilty and you have to prove yourself innocent a lot of times you can't you can't just prove a negative right yeah it's sometimes it's just circumstantial evidence why were you in there why are we doing this why we ryan burton argues that trump is resigning in april why brian grim is arguing that yeah uh brian burton ryan burton our commenter so ryan if you want to you should elaborate a little bit because yeah you got elaborate why I don't do that.

John D. 8705. Question, is this like a catch-22? Lindsay Clancy planned to kill herself, but didn't. Must be seen like Burner. Maybe she's a witch. I was curious. What floor did she jump from? Was it first floor or second floor?

I think it was the second floor. Okay, so this is... Okay, I don't know. Maybe I'm being too cynical. Maybe she was too crazy to, like, know that you have to go higher. She had to pull it off. Right. And they could say, well, and she was too crazy to realize.

Yeah, I mean, look, if planning ahead is evidence that she's sane, that maybe failure to work out the physics of jumping out the window proves that she's insane. Or failure to work out the physics proves that she is guilty. Right. Meaning she knew that it was going to kill her. He was going to cover herself. That's what I mean. That's so cynical, though. It's impossible.

Here's the thing. There's reasonable doubt, right? That's the whole point. Yeah. Well, it depends on your moral. code, I guess. I mean, in my world, in Robbie's world, and maybe this is where I really am, a Philistine or a Neanderthal, but if you strangle your children to death, you should pay a price for that. And that price that you have to pay is your head.

At all. Like, look, I am here with you, right? Like, I guess I feel like I'm in between both of you on this. It doesn't matter to you when I know what's in her mind. Nope. See, it does to me. It does to me. I mean, Robbie, are you? Are you some, are you? Are you? you telling me there's no difference between, you know, the guy in Le Miserables, who steals a loaf of bread to try to feed his starving family and the person who, you know, break for fun, breaks into a house and steals someone's TV and has plenty of money, but it's just a klepto. You tell me there's no difference between, they're both acts of theft, but.

Of course they are. But you don't think what's different for murder. Of course they are. And see, here's where you're trying to conflate. So here's the difference. It comes down to restitution. If someone is hungry and I have been hungry, I have stolen food, that's something I have done. Does I commit a crime?

Yeah, I did. Why? Because if I didn't, then what would happen is I was going to starve to death. That is a, that is a different thing from someone who goes out and robs a place in a flash mob because it's fashionable. Like if you go through it, you steal a $200 pair of $200 pair of a Jordans. Yeah, you should pay a price for that. So state of mind matters. So if your state of mind is totally loco, you're totally fucked up.

Don't know what the fuck you're thinking. You're crazy. You're hearing voices. And it's like you're being told, kill your kids, kill your kids. But how do you know she's hearing voices? How do you know she's not lying? But that's the point. It's that part.

Well, that's what I do you know. We don't know. Well, that's my point. So I have no idea to know, is she legitimately crazy? Is she lying? Is she possessed by a demon? It should be in which case, this comes down to restitution. If I, so I stole a loaf of bread because I was hungry.

Do you know what could have happened if I got arrested by the cops? I could have went and worked at that grocery store, Delchamps, is on the, it was on the corner of Mobile Highway, Michigan Avenue. That's the one I did. So I could go and I could work there for a day. My labor pays restitution for that look for bread that I stole. That's the difference. What restitution do I have if I go and I murder somebody? Can I give them their years of their life back?

Can I give them the life that I took from them? That's the difference. And what's the point? You cannot prove that this woman was legitimately out of her mind. You cannot prove that. I can't prove that she murdered her children. I think that's the rough, though. Our justice system, ideally, schoolboy philosophy is built

to an idea that you're innocent until proven guilty, which means she has a presumption of innocence. The state has approved that she's guilty. And if they can't prove that she did the shit in a clear mind, then the way our legal system is supposed to work is that she gets acquitted. That's the point that I think that is trying to make. Her state of mind matters. Her state of mind matters whether or not she was in conscious control

that she was killing her kids. or not. And the fact that the state can't prove it as a flat fact that she was clear and sane as she committed this horrible crime, they can't convict her. Like, it's fucked up. I get it. I totally get it. Oh, it's fucked up beyond belief. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's outrageous as a case. I mean, it's just fucking that's a crazy case. I mean, it's like, it's in her mind. The problem is what's in her mind. Yes. And to say, the thing is that's the beauty of the jury system because all you need is one person like you can have 11 robbies on their side no she needs to hang and just have one ted and say no because we do not

know for a fact that she was not crazy that's the beauty of our system all you need is one to say i refuse to convict this person yeah that one is rare that one is rare usually very much so. But that's the beauty of the, but that's the beauty of the system. And if you've ever been in a jury, I mean, you know, everyone wants to go home and they do work together. And there's a lot of pressure on holdouts, you know. So it takes a lot of courage to hold out. Of course it does. I think if if our system was really that way where there were holdouts all the time and stuff like that, I'd feel more comfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, no, I remember. one of the juries I was on

not an important case but the point is that the like yeah I remember at one point someone saying it's lunchtime can we just figure this out and get out of here so we can go eat and I was like no the guy's going to go to prison for eight fucking years if you don't get lunch

tough shit you know and I'm team 10 on that one and that level of apathy it's almost as if because it's a capitalist system that if there's not money attached to it, then it's not worth doing because we have time and time is worth money. And so if you're sitting on a jury system, okay, what is your incentive? Your incentive is, well, I want to do the right thing because this person's life is at stake, et cetera.

That's like the shit that they're talking about. As you pointed out, God, man, I'm hungry. I want a sandwich. Can we just wrap the show? Yeah. It's like because. Good idea. Yeah. Points for honesty, at least, you know. I mean, the thing is, I mean, I think that's one of the few things that are country still is going for it is the jury system because the state must prove to 12 people that it is right trust me if i'd ever got in front of a jury things that the la times would have been reamed that's what they spent the entire fucking five years keeping me from getting my day in court because they knew it they could buy off judges but they can't but the jurors you know and every lawyer

I talk to and I mean probably close to 100 they all said the same thing you get in you know democrat jurors republican jurors young old from you know see me valley downtown l a east lea makes no difference they're all gonna hate the la times and the lapd and it's like and so like but that's what but they i never got my day in court you see but the disagreement that we're having right here on right here on this panel proves why it works because you have 12 people and all you All you need is one asshole, either Team Robbie of hang the heifer or Team Ted of let her go. Yeah. And that's all you need.

Seriously, that's a beautiful thing. No, and if you can get all 12 to say the same thing, the odds are it's probably right. Yeah, more often than not. Not always. Far from all. Yeah. And Ply Paul over on YouTube asks, would Robbie kill if it meant saving his child or would you watch it happen? I would kill that bastard with a smile on my face.

self-defense is not murder yeah agree murder you come after my family I swear on God I will send you to me Jesus they don't even have to be related right it's like you see someone hurting someone

and you have to kill them to save the person being attacked you walk Machadin there's a famous US lynching case where the accused got up because one of the jurors couldn't convict a church minister

Yeah, jury notification. Jury's job is to assess facts, not to exercise moral judgment. True. Right. Well, it's just like the whole Luigi thing. If I was on Luigi's jury, if I was on a Luigi's jury, I would not vote to convicting. He acted in self-defense. And I would lie to get on the jury, too.

I'd be like, I can totally assess this completely. I know nothing about this, man. But Luigi, you say. I've I've never pray tell what an interesting case you mean like super Mario Luigi I know where's a green hat man yeah I hear that's a great pizza place would love to check it out

he would be like this guy just refuses to convince it's like dude it's my choice my choice the judge could take me off but at that point the judge is by the way I don't I don't even think that's illegal right like if you can't if you like lie about like Let's say, okay, I just said what I just said, right? And then this is now recorded.

And then I go on a jury and, you know, I'm on Luigi's jury inexplicably. And, you know, and then he, because of me, he walks. Is that against the law? Like, did I break the law? Well, the prosecutor and the judge are going to ream the hell out of you. Yeah, true. But do I go to prison? You're going to go to the side and be like, Mr. Andrews.

Right? And if you say anything, you're going to contempt the court. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're going to ream the hell out of you. Hey, listen, they made the mistake. They let you on. You weren't at one of the alternates? Because there's 14 people.

I'm starting on a couple of juries. Two of them go home because they're the alternates. If you're one of the lucky 12, and if it turns out that you straight up just wiggled your way in there, that's on them. That is not your fault. That's true. Yep.

They have expensive lawyers to make sure they get the right juror. But I'm just saying, like, if it turned out later that like you told people, like, oh, the fix is, man. especially if the trial had already been finished. Yeah. Well, they're going to do. You write a book. This is how I saved Luigi.

Luigi and me. How I killed Tupac. Right. This is how I did it. So, that guy could be convicted. Fuck, yeah. They should be convicted. It's like, I do you write a book about a murder?

And then they bring up on a murder charges. It's like, hey, man, what do you do it? That's unfair. I was just, I was just funny. What do you mean? So here's a question of you, Ted, from Nancy. over on YouTube. What if LC strangled your child in daycare and she said she was hearing voices, guilty or no? See, that's not a legal system. A legal system is not built around how parents feel.

If that makes sense. Of course. Well, I mean, again, if the same thing. I mean, I would still say the same thing. If it was the same set of facts, I would want her head. Me too. In a box. Me too. But, but I mean, but, but like we don't have, you know, this isn't about Yeah, we don't have vigilanteism as a legal system, right? Yeah, it's not about me as an individual. I mean, I'm just saying, like, we're talking about legally what should happen under our system. Yeah, everybody keeps making this argument like we're okay with murder or like kids okay with murder. Nobody here is okay with murder.

Nobody's psychotic. Well, maybe in the case of healthcare CEOs, but. Right. That's about. Well, guys, we have come to the end. We have come to the end indeed. And I need to go to the pharmacy to buy some more pharmaceutical price. Have fun at the pharmacy.

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