DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Michigan is Ground Zero in the Democratic Civil War | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: July 20, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. Today we discuss:• AIPAC has spent $30 million backing Haley Stevens, a corporatist Democrat, for a Senate seat from Michigan — their largest spend ever in a single race — as they seek to defeat progressive Abdul El-Sayed in the Aug. 4 primary. It’s become Ground Zero in the Civil War in the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, Israel’s genocide is instilling panic among House Democrats, who fear they may be ousted next if they don't take a more hostile posture toward Israel.• At least two U.S. troops were killed over the weekend in an Iranian attack on a U.S. base in Jordan, and another is listed as MIA. A third died in Iraq after "a controlled detonation" of an Iranian drone. Four Iranian attacks in five days on U.S. forces in Jordan have also left dozens wounded, raising questions about whether missile defense systems failed to intercept or even detect the incoming fire.LIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

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I don't want to forget the audio people who are hanging out on Deep Program with Ted Raul and Jemral Thomas. And it is Monday, July 20th, 2026. Thanks for joining us after the weekend. I was going to say the long weekend, but it wasn't a long weekend. Anyway, we, of course, appreciate your comments.

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I don't know if we're going to do this live or not. But we have probably Stannislav Krapivnik will be talking to us about the Russi Ukrainian conflict for probably about 30 minutes. That's going to be a separate thing entirely from the show. That's fine. Okay, so cool. We'll be doing that.

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Ukraine stuff, which we'll be talking about, whatever, obviously things heated up in the Middle East over the weekend. We'll talk about that. And things heated up in Michigan. This primary race set for August 4th is becoming on. online, it is hot. It's like the corporatists are coming in heavy. You know, they've declared war, basically, against Abdul El-Sayed. And they're backing Haley Stevens, who's the corporatist in the race. So we can talk about that too. Where should we start? Oh, God, I'm not sure. So let's start with the Middle East and we can work our way to Michigan because I do want to get to Michigan before close because that's a middle eastern you know obviously when you talk about michigan you're talking about

them at least has the largest arab population in the united states yep and by the way i didn't know that i used you know leif used to be a producer on the show and layf was from michigan well leith had family they were um in syria he had family they were in lebanon um but he if i'm not mistaken was from michigan and he exposed me to that because i didn't realize how intensely how intensely how intense that he was in regards to the Muslim population in the U.S. So, Abdul Aseid, when he's effectively running, he's running as a clear representation of Michigan. Like meaning he's not an anomaly. He is Michigan. That's true.

And if you notice, they've been doing any and everything in their power. It's like, hey, so do you think there should be a Jewish state? And they would sit back and just, you know, see if he'll just flail in the wind as they're asking them this question. Or they were like, you took issue or you tried to, how did he said, preserve the people who had feelings for the Ayatollah? How do you feel about that? Why are you trying to protect the feelings of people who back the Ayatollah? Like they're asking him questions like that on CNN in an effort to derail his campaign. They're not doing that randomly.

Right. Because you can ask that question in a different way. but they're asking questions specifically with the idea of trying to crash his campaign, basically saying you're a Muslim extremist or you're backing extremism or something to that effect. It's all right. People actually are people actually, the Zionists are actually calling people like him and us, like supporters of Hamas. It's like, we didn't even talk about Hamas.

It's like, you know, I mean, it's kind of like, oh, okay, well, if I have to think about it. But we never talk about or think, I don't know, given no, it's not about Hamas for me. It's about for what it's about what Israel is doing. Yeah, that's what it boils down to. It's, I, this idea of if you don't like the fact that the U.S. knocked over Ukraine, then you're a Putin puppet. Okay, you're out of your mind. I don't like my country knocking over other countries.

Period. That's nothing to do. If I lived in Russia, I would not, I mean, I'll give Putin his due in many ways. He's a smart man, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would never vote for him. He's too far right wing for me. Yeah. I don't know what circumstances.

Well, it depends on. situation. Right. Depends on who else's running into and stuff. Right. Yeah. If the priority was defensive Russia, then I'm voting for Putin. Sure. That's right. If the priority is communism, then obviously you vote for a communist. Right. Which is of course my priority. But yeah. Yeah. So no, the race is fascinating. And I guess we've sat tracked into this. So we might as well talk about this now. All right. Give me your take on this. I mean, he's, Saeed. He's the one that ran Sanders campaign, right? That's right. So Saeed is, is so basically this race was kind of backburnered suddenly everybody started paying attention to it

because APAC started paying attention to it they've now put in they and their affiliate groups have poured in about 30 million dollars that's the largest spending by APAC on any single race in American history and basically they think it's super super important the polls are all over the place you know so there's a lot of and you know this is all in the i think it's it's important to mention the background of all this. Axios of all places has a piece, you know, because they're very pro-Zionist, talking about panic within among the House Democrats,

the 103 who voted, you know, with the Thomas Massey measure to cut off spending to Israel. Others are now saying that they feel like they can no longer defend Israel, whether they want to or not, that there's just too much pressure from the voters. one of them said something along the lines of, you know, there's just no marketing campaign for this. There's not everybody has seen that Israel has destroyed 85% of Gaza. They've seen the devastation and you can spend this as all you want, but it's not going to make any difference.

And so like I think the rats are fleeing the sinking ship. APEC, they're not stupid. They know this. You know, they have great polling. And they, and so they're like, okay, we're going to throw a lot of money at a race that we may be able to hold back this wall. If they can say they defeated a Muslim guy in the most Muslim state in the country,

who's a progressive, they'll be able then go to their other lackeys, their licks spittles in the House and the Senate and say, look, we protected Haley Stevens, we can still protect you, even though the polls are not running in our favor. That's got to be their strategy. This is definitely, I mean,

it is the type the iceberg has hit the Titanic. The water is pouring into the hull. It's listing. I mean, you're not, the apex not quite at the climbing the, you know, the flagpole stage, but they're going to be there soon and they know it.

So they're pouring a lot of money into this because it's a really do or die thing for them. Meanwhile, for the progressives, they're thinking it's do or die for them. Maybe not do or die, but they don't want to lose their momentum. I mean, you know, they've got Democratic,

Socialists not only, you know, have the mayoralty in New York and all that. They've got upstate New York Assemblymen that nobody thinks about. You know, it's, it's, they're going, they're coming in, and, you know, coming in hot in Denver and Colorado. So it's kind of like, that's why it's a big fucking deal. And, you know, I don't want to predict the outcome here, but, you know, I, it's kind of like in Starship Troopers at the end. Like, it's a phrase. APEC is afraid, okay? I mean, you can smell the fear. You know, they're getting, I don't know, quite desperate yet.

They're pre-desperate, though. That's why I use the David Bowie reference in the title today in the thumbnail, right? Like panic in Detroit. It's like, there's a panic here. You know, there's Michigan is ground zero for the civil war between the Democrat, inside the Democratic Party, that had been backburnered in recent years by the Civil War within the Republican Party between MAGA and corporateists and the globalists. They're being stupid about it. I mean, like, Syed, it was just, it was a head. I mean, he was a Sanders guy.

Yeah. So that Civil War, especially from standpoint of Democrats, this is one of the other. It's been there for years. Yeah. Also, if AAC has to drop $30 million, in order to, fight a race like this, are you going to do that, what, 535 times or 400? Like how much? They don't want to do it. Yeah. Maybe a hundred times.

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We are Stingray. That's what we do. And how many races can you effectively do that with? And if you have to drop 30 million dollars, isn't that directs fleeing the ship? Meaning, that's not pre-panicked. That's panic, right? panic and they're losing and the thing is it's like here's the thing too right losing begets losing right i mean it's the same way that like when a baseball team is losing and you know the bleachers are empty um you know it's like that the donors if if apac loses they've already gotten their nose bloodied in recent cycles right earlier in the year um if they get some serious defeats donors are going to be a lot less likely to pick up the phone when apac calls um they're going to say like

I'm not throwing and spending this money and you're just going to lose. Yeah, especially for Democrats. Like, because they claim Massey's scout. They got him. So they can very least say, we got this guy if nobody else, even though they lost the first few times they tried to get Massey. I guess Abdul has, he is an entire Democratic establishment trying to take him down with the lefties, obviously not necessarily want him to go down.

And obviously the Muslims in Michigan backing him. him and his particular candidacy. The media is not going to treat him well because the media hates Sanders in and of itself, right? They need any of the stuff that's on the left. And so the fact that he is Muslim, the fact that he is not rabidly Zionists, like meaning they hate him for all of these reasons. But the reality of it is, the public love him for those reasons.

And they love him because he's hated by the establishment. And that. That's the part of the establishment. The Democratic establishment does not seem to understand how much they are despised by the majority of their own voters. Yes. I mean, this is the Mamdani effect, you know, with people, or for that matter, on the right, it was the Trump effect in 2016. Oh, you know, if the media hates him, I hate the media, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'll vote for Trump.

This is that, right? Yeah, agree. Well, they're doing it stupid. They're doing it stupidly. And then here's how I would do this. Now, the Democrats might not be able to do this because he's a creature of their own policies. Why is this guy a contender? Because the Democrats and Republicans both imported in a massive population of people from the Middle East, stuck them in Michigan, changed the demographics of the state, and then voila.

Demographics is destiny. You have a dude named Abdul running for office. Now, so what I'm about to say may not be able to work for them because it goes against their brand of open borders of being welcoming and inclusive and loving and all this other crap. You know, I'm loving, by the way. I mean, if I was going to take this guy on, what I would do is I would, I would make the cultural argument. A couple of days ago, a couple of Russians got arrested in Turkey. They went to the Hagia Sophia, which is the largest Christian cathedral in Europe for a thousand years. Used to be.

They were arrested because they were praying a Christian prayer and a secular Islamic country, which I submit there's no such thing as a secular Islamic country. They are currently in jail waiting to be deported. Now, this is supposed to be a country that has freedom of religion, at least on paper. If the Democrats were smart, they would play the cultural intolerance that Islam has against other religions. Is this what you want for a open and tolerant society? Well, you're right. Look, first of all, I don't think they believe any of that. But also, I don't think they could play that.

Who does it, Muslims? No, they're not too people in jail for prayer. Democratic DNC people don't believe any of that. But also, even if they did, that's the Republican brand. You can't be seen as, I mean, as it is, they vote for all the Republicans' wars and all their tax cuts for the rich. They can't be seen voting, you know, parroting their talking points too. Yeah, no, I get that. But I mean, but you get a proxy to do it. It's like you, there's got to be someone in Michigan, at least one person in Michigan that's a fundamentalist Christian that's willing to stand up and now make the space.

Michiganians have been living side by side with Muslims for years. They're used to them. They don't hate them or they're not scared of them. I get that. Yeah. No, I guess I don't get this argument. I mean, the reality of it is you're talking about effectively a Muslim country. This is the U.S. What do you think that he is doing, this particular person, Abdul to hinder Christians from being Christians? Absolutely, absolutely nothing. But I would play, but what I would do, though, is I would, that is, this is for you. I know y'all are watching.

Play on it either way, whether he's doing it or not. Play on it. Yes. Because that's what you do. That is horrible. But it works, though. And listen, history is on my side. So, I mean, I mean, I mean,

I mean, I mean, that's why they have used an argument. against Obama that he was Muslim. They were playing on that thing. The Democrats can't touch it because they've got to wave the rainbow flags, welcome to immigrants, everybody else. They would piss off that giant voting block in Michigan even more than they already have.

That's what I get a right wing project to do it for you. Those people in Metro Dearborn, you know, a lot of them have relatives that Israel's just killed in the last few years, right, or before. You know, it's not like, it's not, it's not abstract for them. It's, it's very immaterial. It's very serious. And like, even if I didn't lose a relative personally, but if my friend did or my neighbor did, I'm pissed.

I feel it, right? So, so, I mean, those people there. And, you know, so it's, it's not just that one or two percent of Michiganians who are, I mean, it's a big influence. It's like in New York City. When you moved, when I moved to New York City, I was told. you know, as a freshman in college. You know, it's kind of a Jewish city. Everybody's kind of Jewish.

Everybody ends up, you know, using Yiddish expressions like Kavc and, you know, and Shlemiel, and you learn all these things, right, even if you're not Jewish. Because of the Jewish influence. It's a minority Jewish city, but it's important. You become a little Italian. You become a little Irish because you're in a city like that. If you're a Michiganian and you're white as the day is long and you're totally Christian, You're influenced by these Muslims in your midst and you like them and you eat their food and you eat at their restaurants.

I mean, you know you go into business with them. You're just not going to turn against them that way. I don't think it's going to work. Maybe in Upper Peninsula, but, you know, that's right wing anyway. Yeah, I don't know. But you say the point that I'm trying to make, like you use a proxy to run that angle. And listen, I'm just straight up that. I'm sure asked the guy and say, hey, if you had it your way, would you oppose Sharia law in Michigan?

Yes or no. Look, I got to say, I think when you're playing defense, you're always, you know, you're always losing. I mean, their key, if they wanted to win this thing, they've got to make their candidate, Haley Stevens, appealing. They've got to make her look like someone who cares about the state and its people and about the country. The best that she can do is that she worked on a committee, an ad hoc committee in 2009, right, right, during the financial crisis. under Obama that helped put together the bailout for the big auto companies that prevented companies like GM from going out of business. That's pretty much what she's got. Look, I think a lot of Michiganians are grateful for that, but it's also, it didn't work great. The federal government

only got back like 72% of their investment. You know, so we kept those companies great. But Some weak tea. Oh, I sat on a committee. I was appointed to a committee. I just love sitting back watching the Democrats, reap the wind from the whirlwind that they have sown. And it is a beautiful thing. You might be sitting back and watching,

you might watch Syed get elected. Yes. I hope he does. I'm not if I was Christian, and I would have voted from Mundani. And I despise the man because at least back then, he said that New York was his priority. That's what the Democrats are missing.

Until you start putting your people as a priority, you're going to lose. And if you keep importing people from all over the world to try and drive down the wages, control costs and build a voting block, eventually it's going to backfire on you. It's not just Democrats, Robbie. Republicans do that shit too. I mean, like, oh, I know.

Republicans at least pretend like they care about the borders and the Democrats don't. So that's what I'm picking on them. right now. Well, the thing is labor that comes out of those countries. I mean, it's not like, look, we can't have it both ways. We can't wreck countries and then complain about the fact that the people leave those countries and request asylum from the wrecked countries. We can't have it both ways. I get your point, but I don't see any with, say, frankly. I don't either. I mean, he is a creature of our immigration system. You're also talking about a Democratic primary. The voters are going to lean left in the same way that a Republican primary voters lean right. You know,

those voters are just, they're not going to be affected by that kind of messaging. I got to ask you, well, you know, Robbie, I want to know your answer, your question, your answer to this too. Looking at the RCP, Real Clear Politics polling data, definitely the tide is moving in Stevens direction, right? I mean, basically, Sayyed was ahead by two to five to nine, even ten points. in some local Michigan polls going back through May and June. Stevens is currently ahead by four on average, by seven, according to the Detroit News poll. I mean, I would say, you know, Sayed, certainly within spinning distance,

but, you know, it's not, it's by no, I wouldn't be happy if I were Sayad, and all this corporate money is coming in. I mean, there could be a backlash against APEC. The APEC, I mean, if I were him, I would focus entirely on. on, you know, APAC spending, APAC spending, APS bending, that would be like all I talked about. And it could work. But I mean, okay, let's just say that, like, the DNC succeeds in installing Stevens.

That seems likely right now. If that happens, could you end up with a lot of, you know, people, you know, taking to the couch this fall and handing the Republicans a win? I mean, I could see a lot of, that's what happened in 2016 with, Bernie voters who didn't turn out for either candidate. They just millions of them, three to four million, just decided not to vote for a Democrat. So, I mean, I think Steve, I think Syed's likelyer to win in a general election than Stevens. But the DNC obviously hopes and things differently.

See, I think you made the point of saying the DNC's base hates its guts, meaning the base of the party hates the party. Yeah. And you make the case that the party itself hates the representatives of that party. Yes. The mechanism that they use in order to get elected because, as you point out, the base hates them, is that the hope that the base hates Republicans more than they hate whatever rando Democrat that they put in the spot, meaning that you vote for them, not because you love them or you don't like them that much, is because you're terrified of the monster in the other party,

basically keep the monster at bay. does that work? Well, it failed for Clinton, obviously. And as you point out, it could fail for the Democratic of Michigan. It could. I mean, if people feel, let's say disenfranchised, I mean, 90% of the money goes to the side with the most, 90% of the wins goes to the side with the most cash.

Saeed is going to be outmatched in cash. But as you point out, APEC is a hindrance in this race. In fact, APEC has been a hindrance in all of these races. It has been a black mark. You can even make an argument. that Kamala Harris lost because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris is support for the war in Gaza, meaning that stuff bites. It has an impact on the race. The question is, what is that impact? And that's hard to know. Could people sit down? Yeah, they could sit down. I mean, they can very well

just say, I'm out. I'm not voting for that person. Yeah, I would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't vote for her. She's so corporatist. Well, that's a feature out of bug. The DNC would rather have a Republican instead of a reformist Democrat. Agreed. Agreed. That's right. It's the same way with the Republicans. The RNC would rather a Democrat than a, than a outlier like me or Thomas Massey or Marjorie Taylor Green or someone else who actually believes what they say.

You can't have that. You can't have principles. You can only have someone they'll do in a total party line. Yes, Mr. President. I do whatever you want me to do, so I'll do whatever you want me to do. I mean, that's just, that's what they want. That's what they want. Let's see some comments.

Sorry. All right, let's do some comments here. Dual purpose. Andrew and Tristan Tate, who, of course, were just arrested in the U.S. upon arrival and deported to the UK on yet another round of sex trafficking charges, are nuts to butt with Hague Seth and the Donald. Yeah. Yeah, they may...

I saw that. I saw that. I think Tate... Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to say anything about this case. I'm not a fan of these man, you know, man-first videos or whatever the hell they are. Like these man things.

One of the other guys who was in the man-sphere, man-o-sphere, was caught with an Israeli honeypot. He was on a phone. It's just a wild... To her credit, she's gorgeous. If you're a hundred horse, ought to be gorgeous. Yeah. Right, right.

That's the job. Right. It's always like, you know, it's like these videos of like the Israeli, you know, the chicks who are off-duty IDF soldiers at the mall. Yes. And they're hot, man. I mean, nothing's hotter than a scantily clad chick with a big gun. I mean, it's, it's hot.

She can hurt you. It's sexy. Yeah. It's like this woman. You will. Don't do it, but yeah. It's confusing. Male sexuality is so stupid. Yeah, the Manosphere thing is weird to me.

It's like, you know what it puts me in mind of rap videos. It puts me in amount of rappers. Like, you know, blacks are malign. They're called boy, all of this stuff. And then when rappers finally get some money, they act like Django when he's wearing a pink suit. and or that bright red suit it's like, I need to show you my

quote unquote bitches. Here's my money. This is my house. Look at my big cars. This makes me a man. That's what it feels like. It feels like the most shallow version of what it means to be a man. And that's what they've effectively publicized in their life. It's also really peculiar about the

manosphere. And I would broadly throw in people like Hague Seth and people trying to butcher themselves up like the president. It is honestly the, the, the, the, the, the, visual markers are so gay. I mean, if I saw, if I didn't know who Andrew Tate was, and I saw that dude walking in Manhattan, I'd be like, that there is a homosexual. It's like he's wearing, like a, do you see what he was wearing when he was arrested? Like,

he's wearing, like, basically capri pants and like a tight, like purple, like, you know, blouse. And it's like that is a man who looks like he would. be interested in me sexually if I were younger and better looking. It's just very weird. And it's like, heck Seth. I mean, that's like, that's a man who looks gay. And it's kind of like, you do know you're gay, right? I mean, you should try it. You would love it. I think for you, you should try a dude, you know, get into it. You'll like it. Just try one. You may enjoy it. You look like you're going to enjoy it. Don't hold back. I think.

Yeah, it's not for me. It's not for me. I don't know if you saw the boxing match where he got his ass kicked. Yes. And got his ass kicked by guy that seemingly couldn't really fight. Like the guy was like feeling punch and it was like, and it was like, how, you're supposed to be a man's man. How did this guy get your ass like this? Yeah.

Well, that's right. I mean, I think back about the, you know, the, you know, like Norman Mailer had a, like, challenged a, you know, challenged, what was his name, Gorbidal to a boxing match? It was like, it's like, now that's men being men. They're both hard drinking literary dudes. It's like, yeah, we're going to beat that shit out of each other on television. It's so awesome. It's like, that was in America, I wish I'd been around for it.

Oh, that's so wild. That's so wow. By the way, did Gorbado take them up on that? I think they did it. If I'm not mistaken, someone can help me out here because we're on the air, I don't want to like spend, you know, the whole time Googling. But like, you know, I think they did it. I mean it for charity or something.

That's bad is. I would imagine Norman Mailer won. I know someone who was really good friends with Norman Mailer. But Alexander Burke, thanks for the 20 Norwegian Krona, much appreciated. I don't know if there's actually a role that are the Krona. I just like the thing. Manchild, thanks for the dollar. Finally, Ted got a microphone.

Congratulations. I always had this microphone. I was just trying not to use it. Let's see. Any Anna, Zionist crying like little bitches. Spain won for the world. Yes. So yes. I had no opinion about this. Let's see. Cosmo Retro Studies. Good morning. I turn, what does LV mean? LV 36 today? I don't know. I don't know. Level 36. Oh, that must be it. But I don't know. I could be like that.

Does Gamer speak for his birthday? He leveled up. Ah, he leveled up for his birthday. He leveled up. Okay. All right. Thank you. The anarchist, Sudi, show.

I was born is Ismaili. Most extremist Muslims would kill me. But even I can see if you rape and murder people, expect hell and don't complain like a dumb white ho. White women are the most oppressed and hoish in the world. I am not commenting on that. What? I don't even know. Oppressed and hoish?

What? Yeah, it's like a pass, Alex. You know, I don't know this one. Look, if you're sexually depressed and you are looking at other, I would love a woman to be hoish. I know. It would be a better world, yeah. It would be a better world, right?

More sex, less war, less fighting. Look, if I was abroad in Muslim countries, they would think that. That's what they would think. But that was because they were repressed. Yeah, they're repressed. And also they're looking at the way, like, on TV or people, you know, they don't get the reality of it.

Like, you know, like this idea of, hey, you can actually go out to somebody with a lunch date and you're not having sex with that person. Really? Really? You guys go out in public like that? Right. You go out in public with opposite sex, yes. Yeah.

If you're repressed, then maybe, I guess you'd take that point of view. Yeah, those are countries where, like, you can't, like, on the bus sitting next to a woman. If you're a dude, you have to find some other place to sit or stand. Yeah, I nearly got arrested in, I think it was Dubai. They had like separate trains for men and women and I didn't realize there were separate trains. Yeah, you have to, yeah, you have to be people in, you know, outfits looking at me. I can only see their eyes. Totally. It's like they're angry. It's like, I can't see the expression on your face. I don't know if you're angry. Yeah. Anamander, Anomando Rakeh. Putin is a liberal, Ted, the guy's in love with the West.

That's why he wouldn't even do anything to all these provocations. He was in love with the West. I think he would, you know, I mean, like when he was mayor of St. Petersburg, he changed all the street signs to English and Russian. I mean, he really wanted to be close. It's kind of like Castro. But that doesn't make you a liberal. I mean, I think he would, you know what? I think he's a liberal in the small L capitalist sense of that word.

But, you know, by Russian standards, he's in too deep with the Orthodox Church to be a liberal. Let's see. Argentina, Indiana is in the process of getting destroyed by Israel, similar to the U.S. Well, I don't know about that. Certainly they're being destroyed by the IMF. Digital design, Robbie isn't understanding the messenger does not matter. For the most part, these talking points don't work for the voters on the left. I agree with that.

Daniel BTS, can we talk about the fact that is Lindsay Graham's sister was installed as senator, and no one in the GOP even protested this blatant act of nepotism. It is nepotism, but this has happened before, though. I've seen this happen on more than one occasion. In fact, it used to happen all the time. Yeah. Yeah, the example that I don't know why I always fixate on is when Senator Hubert Humphrey died, H-H-H, his widow completed his term.

That's not unusual. Yeah. It's sort of like an honorific. It's a customary thing. I think it's especially true if there's not a long time left on the term. I think if you had five years left on the term, they might not do it that way. How much time does he have on the term? Just the next election cycle.

I think it's, yeah, I think it's this November. Okay. So it's kind of like a nice thing, like whatever. Okay, so thank you very much to Alexander Burke for the 50 Krona. But why would you import the people from the countries you attack? That's just asking for trouble. That's the question that I ask. If you're at war with somebody, you don't import their population,

that's like what's the word retarded? You have war with them so you don't bring them to where you live. But a quick shout out. D-Program is number four on Rumble. right now that's really we are number four on rumble take a take a look at the screen shot i think the highest we've ever been before is number six right uh number six we boys and girls we are number four and that is because of each of one of you here in the chat uh we seriously we appreciate y'all this is huge thank you thank you thank you very much thanks for that news that's so cool that's very

cool. That's very, very cool. All right. So is it asking for trouble? I mean, I just don't think it works that way. I mean, this is definitely one of those cases where the left hand and the right hand don't need to know what each other is doing. Because it's not like, because, okay, if you, let's say we attack Afghanistan and we're at war with them and we occupy them and brutalize them and oppress them for 20 years, Afghans who leave there and come here, for the most part, are people, who aren't happy or comfortable in Afghanistan and feel that they would obviously logically be more happy and comfortable in the United States. Therefore, by definition, they're not our enemy. This is not like Taliban, like, you know, agents sneak in as sleeper cells, although

I guess theoretically in a Jason Bourne movie that could happen. But it doesn't really. 99.99% of the time, this is just people who hate it there and would rather and hope they have a better shot here. Syria would be a better example. And here's, and here's how I'm going to unpack this. And let me start with this. It would be like, for example, if after Germany won the tour of the France in 1940, if they imported like 12 million Frenchmen to come live in Germany, probably not a good idea.

Well, actually, they did. But not in massive numbers, I think. They did. They did. They had something called during, during, During Vichy France, the Germans prevailed on the French occupation authorities to install something called the STO, Silviste de Travae Obrigatel, which meant mandatory service for men of military age in Germany. They were drafted and sent to Germany to do forced labor in factories and in some cases on farms,

even helping German shopkeepers because there were so many German men were not at home. anymore, right? So they wanted that manpower. So they imported like hundreds of thousands of Frenchmen who against their will, by the way, off to Germany. But they weren't set free. But I mean, they weren't set free and just allowed to just go and do yourself in the control. No wrong. Like my, my, my, my, my, my, I don't even remember about this relative. It was my mom's relative. It doesn't matter. It was a guy in my family. It was a big like Tuesday family thing, like the Tuesdays of my mom's sides of the family, where

he, the dude was lucky enough to be assigned to a farm in Bavaria. It was the traditional fell in love with the farmer's beautiful blonde daughter. And so he married her at the end of the war. When the war ended, he was in Germany. He brought his German

wife back to France. You can imagine how that went over. And the, and so... Got some looks, did they? The local resistance fighters, the FFI guys, came and paid them a visit and said, you would be well advised to leave town

and never come back, or we're going to kill you and your crowd bride. So they did. I mean, he was just a young man. He was not, he didn't do anything wrong. He fell in love with someone. She was, you know, she was a nice lady. It's just a war tragedy, right?

The point is, he was, he said that when he was in Germany, we went to market. There was no soldier watching him. I mean, he could do whatever the fuck he wanted. to the point of fucking the locals, okay? So he should absolutely do anything he wanted. It's just, I mean, yeah, the slave labor factory, yeah, it wasn't like that. And a lot of those people are talking about.

I mean, you're talking about a program where they were being used to replace manpower because the Nazis are too busy slaughtering their own people against the Russians. I mean, it's not a good tactical move. It's what I'm trying to say. The point is that also all the difference in the world, these Frenchmen were dragged off kicking and screaming against their will. You know, Syrians who are coming to the United States during a civil war,

they're not coming against their will. They're like desperate to get the fuck out. And like they're looking at the whole world and they're like, oh, the U.S. seems like a good option. Little do they know what a shithole it is. The point that I'm trying to make is that if you are, if you're at war with another nation, so here's a good example,

we were beaten on Assad's door for like 12 years before we finally took them out and installed a Syrian head shopper. Yes. Odds are that makes some kind of, I think the word, the proper word is resentment. And so if you have a high testosterone, militaristic culture that probably doesn't like the idea that you're supporting Israel, you're dropping bombs in their family, probably are directly responsible for the deaths of many family members, you probably don't want to import that person to come live in your country.

And about the Afghans, now go away with this. It doesn't work that way. If you are a traitor, I do not want you in my country. Those Afghans who work to the United States are traitors. They are traders of the highest order. They sided with a with an occupying. But they're our trade. They should not be here.

But they're our traders. They're not our traitors. We treasoned them. We turn them into traders. They would have signed up with anybody else. They would work with the Russians or whoever else. Yeah, who would ever work for us if we didn't, if we didn't take some of them with us. To quote my grandfather.

To quote, how many terrorists are the cocksucker? Always a cocksucker. Also, how many terrorist attacks have you seen in the U.S. with people coming from those countries into this country? No. Like, meaning if you were right, you would think that there would be far more. One, no, man, what you do? What you do is that, brother, what you did is that you played a long game.

This is one of the things when it comes to it to it's. You have a long game? Listen what I'm saying. because if you are trying to, if you're immigrating to a, at least on paper, a representative style of government, demographics always wins. So if you want to take over, you have a crap ton of kids. That's how you do it. That's why we're having this conversation about Michigan. What's the birth rate among the Muslim immigrants versus the local population? It's not like, hey, Abdul, put the word out, bone your wife, put a hole in the condom. You know, I mean, it's not, it's not a conspiracy.

Hey, it's not in the open. There are moms in Europe. And I'll have to take them over for it. I can see you the links where they talk about just the win, you conquer Europe in the bedroom. There are moms who are talking about this. So one day, Rome will be the, will be like Constantinople because we will breed them out. That is a tactic. It's not a tactic.

It's just, it's a democratic shift, which is not a democratic shift. which is not the same thing. Of course it is. It's conquest by other means. I mean, it could end up, but it's not planned. I mean, conquest just like implies that it's planned. Right? It is planned.

If you just end up with something, I don't know. It's kind of like if you have a cat that you, that comes to your door and you feed it all the time. And eventually, like, you find it got into your house and is sleeping on your sofa. Well, now you kind of own a cat, but it doesn't mean you were like scheming to, like, seduce that cat to come into your house. Right. that we're planning to do all of like. All right. All right.

Start behind Jack on the show. I'll go back to producer land. 944. We should probably get to the Middle East. But let's talk, kill these comments. And then we will do that. All right. So if you say, Hunter Biden said that D.C. is full of closeted politicians.

It's the foggy bottom club. Yeah, Hunter has been quite the social media butterfly lately. He's easy. Oh, God, he's all over the place. Yeah, there's even speculation that he's trying to gin up a, you know, a presidential role. I'm like, what? What? Like, there's no way that that crack it could ever.

I mean, like, can you imagine the ad campaign against him? Oh, my God. Although he would have to own it. He would have to. He would have to be like, you know, running the ads himself. This is me doing crack in the bathtub. No, no, here's the play, right? Like, you know, like 35% of Americans are addicted to opioids.

I'm one of you. Right. I'm just like you. I'm not one of these uptight politicians. I'm hyperified. I do blow on hookers, you know, tips and a heartbeat. Yeah, I guess that'll be a hell of a campaign. Yeah, I watch.

I mean, you know. Andrew Tate approved. That's how you do it. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Oh, my God. Okay. A question for me from Frasmataz. Unfortunately, it's been taken down.

But John Hinkley, Jr. had a neo-Nazi history before the shooting and posted some American Imperium Political Party thing last week. Yeah, I know that John Hinkley's been like, he's been, like, out, like, he's, like, sort of quietly been, like, out of full custody. I don't know if he's partly in custody still. He's not completely free, but he's like, he's, like, he's, like, sort of. a lot more freedom of movement than maybe Jody Foster would like. Yeah. Yeah. That's very strange. I have to look into that.

Thanks for the $10, San Palmasano. Trump photo bomb. Oh, yeah, Trump photo bomb. World Cup. He bombed the Spanish soccer team. Spanish, yeah, the soccer team, yeah. Yeah, the FIFA president apparently had to run to try to pull him out the photo. I mean, I know people think this stuff is cute.

I don't think this is cute. I think this is pathetic. It's, it's a, talk about a man with a small dick. He's the president. Like, what the fuck? It's, it's an ego issue. It's like, how is your ego this? How are you this?

What do you do to you, right? Like, why are you this bad? Why are you this? Insecure. How are you this narcissistic? Let alone, how does a person like this get into political office, meaning the American public will vote somebody like this in office? That's besides the point. Twice.

But how did you get this way? psychologically as a person, you seem damaged. Oh, it's true. He's clearly damaged. I mean, if we just take away the politics and we just look at him as a person, you have to kind of feel sorry for him. I mean, this is a man in deep need for therapy. Yes, he is. He's radically narcissistic. And the notion of, I'm going to take a picture with the soccer team, meaning I can't give the soccer team their due. I need to be a part of us. That's outrageous. Right.

It's outrageous. Find something else to do. Have some, yeah, have some grace. Have some glass, yeah. Yeah, well that's not his stick. Begrackled, great name, by the way. Nice thumbnail. Best Bowie song ever. There are many, I love Bowie, there's so many songs to compete for that title.

Ground Patrol, the Major Tom, I think. Yeah. Oh, that's such a good song. It's so atmospheric. It's like so... 1984. Yeah. If you're buzzed or like a good stone going, oh, that song is just.

Doodoo. Yeah, so good. And his voice, like, the way it cuts the ground control, the mage, it's this British accent. I would say so. I mean, he's got this, I heard this set about Grace Slick, but I would say it about Bowie, too. Like, he has a voice that is meant to play through an AM car speaker. Yes. Yes.

It cuts right through. Yeah, so good. Perfect for it. Let's see. Okay, so obviously, Middle East, things are spicy. Basically, I love the fact that, so basically, well, there's a lot of questions here. So the U.S. and Iran have been exchanging fire. The Iranians have been hitting U.S. bases in Bahrain, Kuwait. They blow up a desalination plant in Kuwait. The U.S. blow up some bridges, also a desalination implant in Iran. The Iranians are definitely just retaliating. The whole war is a retaliation. I mean,

they didn't come looking for it, breaking the ceasefire. They didn't come looking for it. But basically, the thing that's kind of amuses me, if there's anything amusing about all these death and mayhem, is that thisirstrike on this Jordanian missile on this Jordanian base, U.S. base, is the first of many. It's been hit repeatedly throughout the, the war. And apparently the Americans don't seem to have any way to stop it. I'm like wondering if we can maybe borrow some Iron Dome from Israel or something. After all, we did pay for it. It's just, it's just sort of like incompetent. We have all of our guys sitting over there like sitting ducks. We claim that we've completely destroyed their military. Clearly, that's not true. And, you know,

these missile defense missile systems don't even detect incoming fire from Iran, much less intercepted. You've got now, you've got this weird situation in Iraq where someone was trying, some American soldier died because they were trying to do a controlled detonation of an Iranian drone, whatever the fuck that means. It's like completely opaque. No one knows what actually happened there. But you and I both know it's more than 16 or 19 dead or whatever. You know that. Yeah. We know that it's. We know that more than a few dozen injured. I mean, we know that the property damage to American infrastructure is far more severe than they're telling us. It's the coverups are just like thick with this. And here's the thing, right? Like, the United, I mean, the Iranians are hitting targets

hundreds of miles away from their territory. Okay, so how the fuck do they think does the U.S. and Israel think that they can deny the Iranians the ability to hear? hit the Strait of Ormuz, which is zero miles away from their territory. Right. Well, the Trump administration came out yesterday and when asked questions by reporters pointed out, Iran doesn't control the strait, and they have a few missiles, but we destroyed all this stuff. And it's like, okay, then why are they blowing shit out of the U.S. basis all throughout the

Middle East? I mean, I don't know if you've seen the fires that were set on the border region that when Iran just eviscerated seemingly an entire area of with missiles and missiles and drones where the entire just fireball, we brought it going all the way down the line. They've been hitting the bases in Bahrain, meaning the U.S. fleet. They've been hitting Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, etc., meaning they have opened up a can of attacks. And as you point out, the missile defense seems pointless. It feels pointless.

And it's so pathetic because when a missile defense system dies, it fires off a bunch of missiles to try to save itself, which is the saddest thing in the world. It was like, it shoots his load one last time. And then dives, like some kind of mosquito stabbing something. Now, it's wild watch. And yeah, obviously more U.S. personnel is being killed. Trump was forcibly stuck in a position of having to own up to two or three. And then you find out it was more than two or three that it was like four,

which means that number is probably, it's obviously much higher than three people dead and all of those missile strikes that Iran has been opening up going to 500. Yeah. We are, our air defense is far overblown in regards to the way they claim its capabilities are, clearly, because otherwise these bases wouldn't be getting trashed in the way that they're getting trashed. I mean, they're getting just hit left and right. And as you point out, the desalinization plan, let's talk about that because that's, it's important. Yeah, that's important.

That's interesting. the U.S. over the weekend decided, as Trump pointed out, he was going to commit a war crime. And because he couldn't get what he wanted from Iran and because he lost ground, meaning the entire point was to destroy the state, now we're fighting over the straight of promotes. Basically, we've moved to a negative two as opposed to the zero scale that we're trying to hit. That he has decided, well, I'm going to commit war crimes. So I'm going to go after bridges. I'm going to go after infrastructure. I'm going to go after water desolingization plants.

I'm going to go after roads and railroads, etc. None of these things are critical infrastructure or infrastructure in the context of the war. All of these things are just things that Trump is hitting in order to inflict pain. There's a difference in those things, right? One is a military target. The other one is the target just to inflict pain.

Iran's response to that is to step on the escalatory ladder and stop. So when Trump hit bridges, Iran hits a bridge. And there's a big bridge, I believe, is it Bahrain and Kuwait? I forget which one, but that bridge will probably be on the target list immediately severing those two countries from one another. I forget the two countries. I think it's Bahrain. Iran is a, and Iran can much sooner do without a bridge or 10 or 20 than Bahrain can do without one. Yes, especially since it's connecting the two countries. And again, water desalcumization.

I get the sense that this is Iran putting a threat out. Hey, if you hit this, just be aware we can hit those too. They've been hitting this stuff with pinpointing for six. These Gulf states, I mean, they're effectively, you know how there's the nation that in apartheid South Africa, they created this homeland called Lasothu, right, in the middle of, if you look at this, it's the only country in the world

that's completely surrounded by another country. It's a king's desperately poor now. The Gulf states are effectively Lesotho. They are bottled in the Gulf, in the Persian Gulf. They can, you know, basically, there's no commoner going

unless the Iranians allow it. Right. So they're, I mean, it's kind of like, what we have here is a failure to indicate as going to exist to say, right? I mean, they have to feel. I'm sorry, please. I'm just saying it's like, it's like I would ask the Bahraini, the Kuwaitis, do you guys own a map?

Because, you know, it would probably, you'd probably find it very enlightening. You would think. And let's be honest, without desalienization, they don't exist. You're fucked. Yeah, they're fucked. I mean, like, if Iran, if, and this is, this is what makes it interesting to me. Because Washington Post is saying that the White House is talking about a wider war against Iran. Okay, dude, you're running out of, you've used 50% of your missiles within the first 40 days. Okay, we're, what, another month into this?

What weapon systems are you talking about using to do this? And from a standpoint of defensive missiles, okay, well, consider Iran is trashing your bases. it doesn't look like you have the ability to defend them or even are trying to per se. Like meaning what are you using to prosecute a larger long-term war? And if we were talking about a war of attrition, if you notice, Iran has been very clinical in the way that they're doing this. We fire, we stop, meaning we step on an escalatory ladder and we stop. If you go home, we go home. Right.

If you go up that ladder, we go up that ladder. You go home, we go home. And we keep playing that process out. At some point, oil fields will be hit. At some point, desolingization plants will be hit. Meaning, you would think that there's a limit to where the U.S. can go because of the damage to the U.S. economy. Gas is already at $4 here in Richmond. It went up like 30 cents over the course of two days.

Where is that number going to go? And how much pain is going to be willing to take? I'm shocked that it's still, honestly, given everything that's going on, I'm shocked that gas prices are still so low. Agreed. They're going to go up. I mean, they have to. It's just, I mean, I don't understand. I mean, clearly the market's being manipulated.

It doesn't make it counts, but. Yeah, at some point, it's going to be an inventory issue, not a tough issue. Well, the reason our gas is low is because we are pillaging the strategic reserve daily. And that kind of going on for so long. It's artificial. As soon as that as soon as that spigots cut off, look out for $6 or $7 gas. Very, very. I mean, it's filling that shit like water for the last four months.

Like that thing is bottom. Yeah. And the thing is, yeah, we're self-sufficient, but we're self-reliant on energy, but we're not because we need different kinds from all over the world, and it's a global market. Exactly. So, all right. We have a few more comments here.

Pura Vida, JJ. Have you heard of the rumors of an Iran ground invasion of Kuwait in order to take American bases? I had not. I'd be very skeptical. I've heard an attack on Syria. What is, Al-Tanif base? Well, Iran said that they had like a daring raid on that base and killed American service members, destroyed some of the equipment, et cetera.

I haven't heard a ground invasion of Kuwait, though. I would be, let me put it this way. I would be terribly surprised. And the thing is, I think from the Iranian standpoint, they would know that that would sort of hit American public opinion in a wrong way. Currently, the Iranians have, you know, I mean, come on, 80% of Americans agree with Iranians. that we shouldn't be in this war.

So, you know, if you're the Iranians, you don't want to change that. Public opinion is going to be determinative here. Yeah, but you can change you by killing Americans. Right. No, no. I'm sorry. What I mean by that is more dead Americans is more pressure on the U.S. administration to get out the war. Right now, nobody's blaming the Iranians for that.

We know, everybody knows that the Iranians are defending themselves. Exactly. So, even people who are, you know, loving Iranians. More flag-draped coffins from the standpoint of ending the war, the better. Yeah, they should be covered with Israeli flags, and everybody knows it, you know. Jolly lollipop, thanks for the two bucks. Trump was a draft jodger with fake bones, purse. True.

Yes, you were. Bonesburs. Annaman Iraqi, all those who claimed Israel is America's attack dog lost the argument now with Israel sitting on the sidelines, watching their attack dog, the U.S. exhaust itself. Yep. Israel couldn't do the job, so the U.S. comes in to do it. Yeah. And, of course, the joke here is the U.S. can't do the job either.

I know. I know. And imagine these guys are like, now we need to fight China. Really? Really? Over time. I'm going to cut you through your air defense like butter, and your response is, yeah, now we need to go after China and Russia. Hilarious.

Yeah. Yeah, that's so fucking great. That is a great place to end today's show. By the way, Jamada, if you saw, Robbie said, we are, we are, I guess, number three on Rumble. Yes. That is. Oh, we moved up to number three. That is a record for the deep program show since its inception.

So, fantastic. All right, guys, we're going to be, by the way, so, well, we'll be changing the format on YouTube of how we re-upload stuff. We need to talk about that later. But basically, so if you really want to watch the full episodes on YouTube, make sure you watch on the live tab, not just the videos tab. Otherwise, we're going to be breaking the shows into segments and posting those to YouTube. Rumble all stays the same, no change. Q&A show 12 noon coming up in two hours. Ask us anything. We'll see you then. Thank you so much for tuning in. TMI show with Manila and I coming up right now. And Jamaral, always a pleasure. See you soon.

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