DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Milo Y Is Very Sorry and Ashamed for Supporting Trump | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. Today we discuss:• Far-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos said he is “very ashamed” for supporting Trump after ICE thugs deported him back to the UK. Yiannopoulos called his experience “humiliating and disorienting.” He said he experienced “brutality.” “It was physically degrading, it was frightening,” he said. “I don’t think I’ve ever been frightened like that before … And I was weeping like an old woman for an hour. He reflected on being “a little bit blasé” and “cavalier” about when people shared their traumas. “I wouldn’t wish it on anyone,” Yiannopoulos added.• German officials blamed Russia for an attempted drone attack last month at Leipzig/Halle Airport, close a Russian consulate and take other measures in response. A drone stacked with military-grade explosives was found Aug. 4 next to a Ukrainian cargo plane at the airport. Security camera footage appeared to show the weapon striking the plane’s wing before falling to the ground without exploding. Later that day, a second drone collided with a cargo plane in flight. Ten days later, a third drone was found with traces of military-grade explosives in a field near the airport. Germany has concluded the attack was plotted by professionals working for the Russian state, Interior Minister Alexander Dobrindt said.• Pierre Damas Bel, a 20-year-old Haitian student at Wright State University, struggling mentally and emotionally with the shame of being forced to wear an ankle monitor by ICE, said he had been bullied at school and felt “humiliated” by the device. Bel committed suicide by walking into Interstate 70. His family blamed the humiliation brought on by the ankle monitor.MERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

Good morning. This is the program with Ted Rall and Jamarral Thomas. It's Wednesday, September 2nd, 26. Thanks so much for joining us. We're here at 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. Live Eastern Time, Monday through Friday, Q&A show, Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 12 noon. Today's Wednesday. So that means we do have another show coming up in three hours. That's free form where you can just ask any questions you want. So we hope you will avail yourself of that because we like, it's fun. Things get spicy. You never know. And it's very, very, very random. All right. So let's see, but what I have up on the docket, you know, I've got stuff that's off docket, but what's on docket is the Milo's story. We've got the Germany, like,

people who are even saying that effectively Germany and Russia are kind of at war. And this Haitian-American student who committed suicide in southwestern Ohio in my old stomping grounds of Springfield, Ohio, He was a student at my mom's alma mater, Wright State University. ICE made him, stripped him of his protected status, made him wear an ankle monitor. He was so shamed and so bullied by the assholes at Wright State University, other students, who, by the way, they should step into traffic as far as I'm concerned. He stepped into Interstate 70 and committed suicide, according to his relatives. Pretty, pretty bleak shit. And I definitely wanted to ask you at some point about Nepal, how the United States thought it was okay to only send $500,000, $500,000 for this epic collapse that, by the way, involved the deaths of dozens of Americans, too.

And also, I thought it was notable that the USS Abraham Lincoln is now in port in Pataya, which, by the way, is famous Thailand. and it's a famous like R&R zone during the Vietnam War. It's hot and cold running Thai prostitutes. So I think the Defense Department thought, well, those guys, those boys have been achieved for a long time. Let's stimulate the local economy. They're a hop to want to start a wall. They've got to get that off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the Pete Hanks South Way. So pretty funny. Also, I wanted to get your. your thoughts on the two-pack verdict. I hate the two-pack verdict. This guy was, he was found guilty purely because he was bragging about his, about his role, basically in driving the car, or being in the car when it happened. But I'm like, okay, let's just say it's all true. Should, I mean, the prosecution didn't have any witnesses. They had no corroborating evidence.

I mean, basically it's sort of like, he just bragged. He now claims he was lying. I think I believe him before. I think he told the truth. But I don't think you should be able to be convicted for murder or for anything based purely on your own testimony. If I go up to the cop to the FBI and say, hey, I was on the grassy knoll when I was when I was two months old and I killed JFK, I don't think I should be able to be convicted. Well, not if you're two months old. But if you take my point, but if you were sufficient age and you, let's say to make the analogy work, it's not you being two months old, it would be you being a full grown man with access to guns and in the area and you're bragging about it. And they're going to be like, okay, well, he has access to the

guns. He was bragging about it. He knew subject matter. Got it. It all makes sense. Like if you're incriminating yourself, like they always, any lawyer, any random lawyer, any random lawyer will tell you, shut up. Of course. And it's like, why are you bragging about this? He wrote a book. It, it hits my point. I'm not saying he's not a fucking retard. I'm just saying, but I don't know.

It's like if being a retard should get you, I just don't, I think that I think you should not be able to be convicted of a criminal offense unless the cops, the prosecutors, actually know something of their own accord about it. Ted, yesterday you were defending this woman who killed her kids saying, you know, She should skate because, oh, she has postpartum depression. Now you're saying this dude wax blows another, just is there whenever another dude gets ventilated. Oh, that's okay. He's stupid.

So you get punished either. Who exactly in the Ted Rawl universe should actually be convicted of murder? The NFL. The NFL should be convicted of murder because they're killing people every fucking day. Ted, you are crazy right now. And I love you. But you are nuts. I agree with Robbie.

I have no issue with Robbie. have no issue with this guy being convicted. Okay. All right. It's not a main topic anyway. It just thought of everything. Is murder just an offense for you, Ted? Like, is murder just like, ah, that's just jaywalking?

Who cares? It's an offense, but I mean, come on. Okay, let's look at this another way. The dude could be lying. He could just be self-aggrandizing, right? I mean, cops say that all the time when there's big high-profile cases, they get all sorts of ridiculous confessions. And obviously, they're not all true.

Most of them aren't. And so what, so, so, should those people be convicted? I mean, we know they didn't do the crime. I mean, I don't know he didn't do this, which is the rub. Like, look, it's one thing, if you were an infant and you were claiming that you shot JFK, okay, they can look back and say, okay, he's an infant. That's impossible.

He didn't do this. Right. That's not the situation. No, no, this is hiding. No, like I said, my gut tells me he did it, right? Right. And if a person is bragging about something that they claim that they did. Let's say he didn't do it.

Then he was stupid for talking about saying that he did. Like, why he wrote about a murder? And the cops aren't wrong. Because he's an idiot. Pranging about a murder he was there. We believe he might have had something to do with it. We got it. How does the cops wrong with it?

My problem is that the only evidence against him was his own testimony. That's his fault. Should be bragging about murder. If you confess to a murder, don't tell you, Ted. You're there. It's over. You're done. You should know detail. Like you know, when you go in and talk to the cops about something,

they're going to keep behind evidence that they didn't release to the public. You should have to know things that only the cops know. I don't think that's true here. There was a trial. So obviously the jury disagrees with you. Yeah, well, the Innocence Project shows that trials don't mean a hell of a lot in this country. an estimated one out of eight murder, you know, felons are innocent and should be walking the streets right now. I don't know if this guy's one of them on this issue.

Probably not. I don't think Barry Shank gets calling anytime soon. And the Tupac thing has been floating for God knows how long without somebody being convicted. 20 plus years. By the way, a lot of people believe Puffy was responsible for that murder. Yeah. Like a lot of people believe Puffy was responsible for that murder. Puffy had enough sense to keep his mouth shut, which is what, this goofball should have done. But no, he's bragging about it. I want to get cred because I was

around when Tupac got murdered. Congratulations. You got your credit. Okay, so Trent, for what it's worth, says that he's with me. He's on my side. So he says, corpus delicti is a legal principle, which requires proof that a crime actually occurred before someone can be convicted of committing it, the core rule, prosecutors must provide independent evidence outside of a defendant's out-of-court confession showing that a criminal act happened. Therefore, yeah, I mean, Tupac. A criminal, I'm sorry, that Puffy, Tupac is dead. A criminal act did happen. Yeah, that's true. The criminal act did occur, yeah. But the question, I mean, I think this guy, honestly, he's going to appeal and he's going to walk because.

This is not like, this is not, you know, Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence that happened. This was just like, well, he was guilty to me. I mean, that's not our, that's not our system. That is our system. He shouldn't have admitted to kill it. I mean, meaning don't admit or cop to a murder. Like, even in rap songs where the guy was like, I did so-and-so and I committed murder. There have been people who confessed the murders in their rap songs.

And you're like, and the prosecution, played the song. And then they're like, well, I'm just talking. Okay, but yeah, if we find a body and we find a gun and we find all of this stuff and we have your rap song, you're going to prison for a very long time. I'm saying he made a thought that this is great publicity for me. Oh, I'm sure. I can talk about this and I can, you know, get books sold and I can do all of this stuff. Yeah. You can do all that. Prosecution. And that's what he did. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for this one. It's cool. And to your point, it is very possible

the prosecution, like we finally got somebody for this murder. That is also a true. All right. With that, sorry, I had to get that off my chest here. No, I accept that. I mean, like I said, a lot of people have been looking at this for a very long time, and I've been looking at people, Puff Daddy, people associated with Puff, the things that were taking place between, oh, God, not even the biggie issue also,

that they are associated with. All of that stuff is interrelated to one another, And none of that stuff has been clarified from the standpoint of law. So the fact that they got one guy on it, yeah, the prosecution is going to take that win. Well, they're definitely, yeah, we'll see what happens. I'm very interested in the appeal, though. His lawyer seems very confident in the appeal, too, for whatever that's worth. All right, I can never pronounce Milo's last name.

Yonopolis. Yonopoulos, okay. Milo Yonopoulos basically got deported back to the United Kingdom by ICE. Laura Lumer claims responsibility, which is gross. Yes. And anyway, they say that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. And in this case, a liberal appears to be a conservative who's been mugged by the state. Milo basically said that he found the whole experience humiliating and disorienting.

He said he experienced brutality. He said it was physically degrading. It was frightening. I don't think I've ever been frightened like that before. and I was weeping like an old woman for an hour. He said he'd been a little bit blasé and cavalier about when he heard previous people describe their similar traumas from dealing with agencies like ICE. But now he's saying he's very ashamed for supporting Trump,

and he wouldn't want this, wish this on anyone. I mean, okay, by the way, I was shocked at the man, you know, very rarely is the difference between a mugshot and like other photos you've seen with someone. this vast Grand Canyon like chasm because he was like a pretty boy like vanilla ice before and now he looks like

he's been run over by a train he looks like Nick Nolte in the in the DUI photo I mean he I don't know if the audience feels the police people even see he doesn't know the photo that you're talking about for Nick Nolte

oh my God yeah we got to find that maybe Rob we can find that photo Find the Nick Nolte DUI mugshot, please, and we'll put it up. But it obviously been through the ringer. And so I posted on X yesterday after I read this that like it's, you know, fuck like national service, like building schools or anything. Every American should be required to be arrested and spend a week in jail. And I guarantee you we're going to go full commie within like two weeks if we do that.

everybody who's been through this fucking experience, it's so horrible. You know, people who talk shit like, oh, he got 15 years in prison. Boo-hoo, no big deal. These are all people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. They've never been through anything like it. They have no idea. And I think even just like a week in jail would really straighten them out. It's in the same way that I would love to see every congressman forced to subsist on minimum wage for a month.

again, we'd be full calming in no time. I just saw the muckshad. I looked up the munchat where you were talking. Yeah, he looks rough. He doesn't look happy. And I got to be honest, I don't know if I would admit to weeping an hour, even if it was true that I did so in the corner alone. It's like, it's a horrifying experience, right?

It's very good. And I'm not laughing because he went through the experience. I think the experience is horrifying. I think it's even more horrifying than that troglodyte, Laura Lumer, is taking credit for putting somebody through that process, meaning Laura Lumer, nobody, just nobody, is in the president's ear, and she is basically saying she got a federal agency to go after a civilian to put him through a traumatic process and have him deported.

That's amazing. Milo is saying, well, look, I am married to an American. He went through a degating process. Decafacation. Like, hey. Have you heard of him? Have you ever tried, pussy? Pussy's really great.

You might want to check it out. Yeah. It's like, hey, nobody ever exposed me to this. If I'd known. Right. If only I had known how good this was. There's Nicknulty. Yeah.

Oh, you found the Nicknulty picture. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Robbie. We'll see if I can figure out. There he is. Oh, there he is.

Nick Nolte looking good. Yep. Yep. He was best known for 48 hours, I'd say, right? That's what a good arrest. And down and out in Beverly Hills, which he looked better in that. Yeah, he looked much better than that on an normal sort of. And that's your point about Milo, right?

Yeah. Usually has hair coloring in. He's all flamboyant. Yep. I mean, but maybe the de-gayification process is took the down the flamboyance a bit. He might want to consider re-gaying because he looked a lot better as a gay man.

Yes. And also he's saying that he is married to an American. And he has a two-year visa renewals. Basically, he's saying that what the Homeland Security or whatever ICE is saying, it's nonsense that he hadn't overstayed his visa, that he was effectively married. I don't know whether this is true.

I don't know who Milo is married to, if he is indeed married. If he is indeed married, this brings a whole other layer to this. Well, this happens a lot, right? Like, we've heard countless stories now in the latest mass deportation push from the Trump administration about people who are being deported despite being married to American nationals. Now, that shouldn't be. I mean, I don't care what your current status is.

I don't care how you came in. I mean, maybe if you're a terrorist, maybe? I still don't think you should be deported. You should be tried. I mean, you're married to an American, which, I mean, frankly, as far as I'm concerned, as soon as you marry an American, as soon as you go to the city hall and that happens, you should be immediately considered an American. And maybe you need to get regularized, you know, under, you know, get all your ducks in a row,

bureaucratically, but you should be for the purpose of your privileges, voting, the law, you should be considered an American. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, this story is a big deal. I mean, and I guess the reason I'm saying the story is a big deal. It's not really because it's my love. It's the principal. Was he married? And if he indeed was married, did, did Laura Lumer have anything to do with him being deported. If that is true, that is, that's something else. Well, if it's not true, I think the DHS owes us a statement to that effect. Agreed. And it makes Trump, by the way, look like a pussy himself. Because, I mean, it's like, oh, really? You're not like, your government doesn't decide for itself

who should stay or who should go. Like, you let this crazy random bitch who doesn't even have any official title in your government, she's just basically giving you a list like Santa Claus and you're checking it twice and deciding who goes? That's ridiculous. Also, the war in the Republican Party is fascinating about this also. He used to be a Trump supporter. And apparently he was talking to like Tucker Carlson or something like this. He was doing interviews. This is obviously not Trump team now, meaning Tucker has been very vocal about the problems in the Trump administration and the things that the Trump administration's been doing. He's been a very vocal antagonist to Trump. And so now you get Milo, who's also joining this particular bandwagon.

No, he's not an American, but he is within this kind of right-wing ecosystem that is apparently now repudiating Trump. I don't know. It's fascinating. It's fascinated in a few levels. Yeah, it's got a lot of layers. That's why I thought it would be a good topic to talk about. Yeah. But yeah, he looks rough. He looks rough. I mean, and look, honestly, he's been a dick for all these years.

But all you can really ask of a dick is to, I guess, in the same way that he de-gayed to de-dick. And he seems like he's dedicking now. He seems like only because it's personal maybe, right? It's only because it's personal. Right-wingers is always because it's personal. That's the difference. With the left, at the very least, we would extend the place that out to the large world. The right, it has to be personal.

It has to affect them directly. Otherwise, they don't care. Yeah, for the left, in some, but not all cases. But in the left, the left is supposed to stay there, but for the grace of God, go I. Yes. You know, the right doesn't need, that's not part one of their values. It's not within them. They're like, oh, it sucks to be you.

You have that coming. shouldn't have overstayed your visa, blah, blah, blah. I mean, it's also weird to me that someone like Milo who had those connections and at one point probably could have called Trump him personally on his, I'm sure he has his personal number. Why didn't he get himself hooked up with a green card? Why didn't he get, like, you know what I mean? Like, I never, I mean, that's my inner right wing side.

You know, when Trump first came in, I have friends who, you know, their immigration status wasn't great. And I was like, why have you been dicking around? Like, go and get this taken care of. You should have done this years ago. I mean, you're not planning to leave the country, right? You're not planning to go anywhere. So since you're here, you should have all your papers already.

I don't get why people drag their ass on shit like this. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess my inner right window is you don't care. What happens to you? No, I don't care. I don't care. I'm just curious. No, no, I agree with you with the green card stuff.

Get your ducks in order for that stuff. I mean, I would imagine it's easy to screw it up, but trying to get your guts in order. I guess my thing is, I don't know what Milo is trying to do, whether he's trying to de-dick or not trying to deed it. And everybody makes mistakes. Lord knows, as a human being. For sure. This is an apple pie, right?

But, you know, he has played this role for decades. Yeah. Yeah. Now, and by the way, when Milo was given speeches at university, because my thing was, well, he should be allowed to give the speeches if indeed the university extended speech. I don't want to shut anybody up in this case, regardless of what I think about the person who's given the speech and given the dialogue. I guess, but you can't go through a process that under normal circumstances you would advocate for, or at the very least, back the person who was instigated the process, and then cry foul when you're applied,

when that process is applied to you. And expect me to be like, like, oh, God, look at Milo. Yeah, he doesn't look I mean, the only I mean, you could say he got you know, special treatment in a negative way because of the Laura Lumer side, right? I mean, otherwise he, you know,

he's not saying, listen, I'm innocent, listen, I'm a U.S. citizen, listen, you know, I have a green card. You know, he's not saying anything like that. This is not like, you know, like the college students who did have green cards and are like, you know, like the guy at Columbia, you know, that guy has a green card.

I mean, he's a permanent resident in the United States, and they arrested him and treated him like a scoundrel, despite being an upstanding citizen, you know, with a baby on the way, like who was delivered while he was in the clink. I mean, that guy was mistreated. You know, Milo under the system wasn't really specially mistreated, but the fact, the Laura Lumer thing is very disturbing. It is.

That crackpot has the power to get people, roughed up by goons. Yeah. That's terrifying. It really truly is. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

We got some comments. If you so, I'm a hardcore leftist. Ted, that's some libshit, not left. All right. Chupac we're talking about there. Could be. Could be. You know, it's, I used to be a liberal.

I've, you know, I've evolved. So you could be some very, There's some residual live shit in there, I'm sure. Are you really telling me that if you did a cartoon about Ted Raw, killing somebody in the drive-by, let's say it was a health executive. Uh-huh. Let's say. You grew the cartoon.

You were in New York. The health executive got killed. The cops come to you house after reading the cartoon. And they're like, okay, you were there or you were in the area. You were given footage about it in your cartoon that only you could know. that they that that that in and of itself is not enough to put you behind bars it shouldn't be now okay no that's not i'm just saying based on the base i'm not now i'm not talking as a lib or a lefty here i'm talking about like as someone who's interested in law in and that's our law right i mean

there's a justice system and there's a legal system i'm not talking about the justice system Justice? Sure. Send him a, I mean, the guy can, he, he has, he knows a lot about it. He said he did it. He made money saying he did it. He seems like he was a suspect, according to the police. So, I mean, you know, it, it all fits. Sure, close the file. But from a legal point of view, I just don't think it fits. I think he's on a tech, on the technicality that it's all his. And to that point, maybe blue funk, thanks very much for the $2, says, Ted, I'm with you. The law isn't perfect, but for someone, as someone who's taken the LAC, the L-L-SAT, I agree with you. For once, Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence should be adhered to the best of our ability. It's just, I think,

I'm 90% sure he's going to, he's going to walk on appeal. This is a ridiculous, this case never should have been brought, and it wasn't brought by previous prosecutors for ages because of this exact principle, right? And then someone's like, this reminds me of Alec Baldwin when he shot the, you know, he shot the... I mean, but the point is that like it wasn't a good case, right? Diddy Shooter? Was he a fucking idiot? Sure. But it just wasn't a good case

and it was destined to ultimately be tossed on appeal. That's what I think this is. But see, I think those cases were different. I mean, this was then a set of a movie somebody loaded a gun for whatever particular reason they loaded a gun with actual bullets well it was a sloppy set apparently they were fucking around on set and um and somehow live ammunition got mixed in with the blanks right alec ball and was not trying to murder somebody on the movie set no which is well i thought but he was reckless there was reckless endangerment for sure i mean you're not even

supposed to point you're not even supposed to point the gun at even you know if you think it's unloaded or you know, has a blank on a Hollywood set at a person. I accept that. But did he know that it was bullets in the gun? No, of course not. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, I don't believe for a moment that Alec Baldwin was trying to murder some of that. No, absolutely.

He was devastated. He didn't want to do that. Exactly. I mean, I'd be heartbroken. Oh, I'd want to die. Yeah. So I, but I'd see these things are different. Alec Baldwin didn't go sorry

making rap albums about killing somebody or I'm sorry writing a book about it and bragging about it and making money all of it. Of course Alex Baldwin already has millions of dollars. He doesn't really need the money, right? Also, Alec Baldwin has always been rapidly anti-firearm.

I mean, to assume that he knows anything all about gun safety is insane. Like the very first thing that you do, the very first rule of gun safety is that there's no such thing as an unloaded gun, like period. Right. You always check. check. You always check. And he just simply did not know. I mean, to JT's point, he didn't kill his camera woman because she pissed him off because she gave him the wrong bagel that morning. I mean, this guy. It was a sloppy set. It was very sloppy. And I, I really don't.

And wasn't the armaments lady like 25 or something like that? Yeah, her daddy got her that job. She's a Nipo baby. Yeah, ridiculous. I mean, that's usually a very, on a Hollywood studio set, that's supposed to be a very experienced person. Yeah. Yeah, she had no idea what she was doing. They were out target shooting the day before and she didn't. She forgot to unload the gun, right? Or do you think there was one in the chamber?

Is that what happened? It was a revolver. So, I mean, most likely what it was is that she was going through is a six shot. They probably fight off four or five shots. But the point is, you always check. there's no such thing as an empty gun. It's not that complicated, really. Provolver's the easiest thing.

Yeah. And you shouldn't be shooting on set with a gun that you're going to use on set? Yeah, at all. Well, there should have been, no. Yeah, that's right. But I don't even think there should have been any shooting on set at all.

Like, cut that shit out, right? But I guess the basic point that I'm trying to make those, these are two very different things. It's like, stop making rap albums about murder. Well, yeah. I've always thought it was very strange how that intersection between, you know, music and criminality, right?

I mean, like, the bragging about it. I mean, we watch movies about criminality. And if you think about it, many people who do movies often want to be singers because it allows you a direct response to that emotional outlet as opposed to playing a particular character. And what do they do when they do it? It's like, okay, movies about murder, movies about killing, movies about this. Well, what about the sopranos? at least two dudes who were actors on minor roles on the Sopranos

were actually gangsters who killed real awesome. Yeah. Like, we love the stuff. And so it's not shocking. Look, I would tell you, one of the best albums that was ever made, rap albums, Rayquan, only built for Cuban links. And it's basically the life of a drunk dealer. It's that.

It's not celebrity. Like, it's not fun. And it was even one, like, part of me was like, man, they shot my mom's house to fuck up. Like, he's talking about. living this life. And the album is fantastic. It is fantastic.

And yeah, yeah, it's a valid album. I'm saying we love this stuff. But it's one thing to be like, okay, I'm rapping about this as a movie. Like whether you listen to Requan or any of the Wooten Clan groups or any, many of the other albums. But then you got this other echelot of rappers who were like, let's make it more real. And these guys were actually living a lifestyle. And some of the stuff that they were rapping about was stuff that they were they did. And so it's like, okay. It's wild. It's totally. What do you want to do the justice

this one? I told you. I want them to like maybe Bluth-Funk says, I want them to follow their fucking rules. I mean, after all, they made them up. They're not the rules I would make up. They didn't make up rules that I would make up. But they made up their own, they should follow their own fucking rules. I accept that. But don't, you can't have Tupac get murdered. I mean, I would tell you, some people in the black community, we black. It's an assassination. It wasn't assassination. He was just murdered.

Tupac was living in a particular life. She didn't even kill for it. No. Basically, look, honestly, they were, except for the guns, well, I guess in some cases, it was basically middle school. I mean, it's like Tupac beat someone up, and then his buddies got pissed, and they were like, we're going to go looking for him. No, it's beyond middle school.

These people were killers. Yeah, but it's the same. But in terms of the psychological. you know maturity level oh yeah they were children they were acting like children yeah west side south side east side it's like yeah yeah it's ridiculous east versus west coast shut up it's like it's like my the high school i went to was fairmont west and we were like west is best east is leased it's just so dumb it doesn't matter and is that a human thing yeah we'd walk into groups i mean i understand groups in some sense, a sense of safety,

sense of power, control, et cetera. But this felt silly. But this became a big thing in a rap community, in which case, rational mind said, hey, we can mine this for profit. Sure. Maybe not that rational, but yeah. Right.

You're getting shocked. Because it's like, yeah, there's the whole, like the entire weight of the criminal justice system could come down on you like a pile of bricks anytime, right? So, you know, if you've, I mean, there's some estimates that, like, 50% of murders go unsolved, which means there's a lot of murderers walking around, and they know to shut the fuck up, right? I mean, they're not, I mean, like, oh, I could get a few clicks on Insta by, by a minute, probably not a good idea.

If you so, now, thanks for the dollar. Now Ted's back being leftist with prison take. We are the world's prison state. Well, all right. Well, you know. But that's true. not sorry for breaking for breaking my role you know yeah i mean 25% of the world's prisons are filled by the us amazing so all right uh while we're on the i guess we should segue because i feel like the milo

story leads nicely to this tragedy in ohio so pierre damas bell he's a haysian student at rite state university that's uh just north of dayton ohio where i grew up my mom graduated from there i've spoken there um he He was a resident of Springfield, Ohio. Springfield, which is just northeast of Dayton, is best known recently as the place that President Trump claimed the Haitian population was eating cats and dogs. And so there was a big population.

The whites who lived there before the Haitian influx basically are divided between those who are like, these guys are great workers, and they helped revitalize a rust belt, shithole and those who are like oh literally i swear to god the lines are longer at the deli and the atm oh gee like really that's your concern um yeah literally their complaint was oh it's gotten too crowded and now there's too much traffic having been to Springfield many times um the one thing springfield could always have used was more traffic because it was a it was a ghost town it was

wrecked. It was devastated. Anyway, he was a student at Wittenberg University. And again, to the personal thing, that's where I went to marching band camp in high school. Okay. So it was summer. So it's really, so he was a student there. He lost his status at, at Wittenberg. So he transferred over to Wright State University. He was a, I think he was a, he played a sport. So he couldn't play that sport for Wittenberg anymore. Right. state's cheaper. He went over to Wright State. And apparently his fellow students at Wright State were assholes. And he had to wear when Trump stripped away protected status recently from, I guess it was two weeks ago, from Haitians immigrants, they told him, okay, you can stay pending

deportation. You have to wear this like gaudy ankle bracelet. He was humiliated, felt like shit. He was made fun of at school. And finally, and he was. suffering through it and he decided to step out into traffic on interstate 70 and was killed. His family is now calling out ICE for this. So it's an ICE suicide, basically, is what it looks like. I thought this was horrible. I believe this account, actually. It seems credible to me. I mean, part of me thinks like that same kid is at, say, Cornell University in a liberal state with liberal students. All the other students are rallying against him

and there's someone offering to cut that thing off his leg, right? And no one's making fun of him and they're all supporting him. It's just the fact that they're like in dumbass, you know, redneck school in Southwest Ohio that this shit happened. But, I mean, it's just a reminder that there's huge consequences socially to things like what ICE is doing that go, and psychologically, that go beyond the simple like, We're revoking your status. You no longer live here. He wasn't even scared, particularly,

according to his family, of being sent to Haiti, which is a war zone. But he was humiliated by the ankle bracelet. Can I revive this story that you and we were talking about, about Facebook loss where they had to pay all of this money, supposedly, because the state was so overly concerned about harassment on Facebook and they use this kind of as a low-hanging fruit way of extorting billions of dollars from Facebook. People are fragile entities at times. Yeah. And I mean that like like I remember I had a conversation with my ex once and her and I would go through these periods where we were stopped talking usually was me that was to stop talking. Um, it would even be something that was going on something that I thought she was I'm not going to go into the nature of the

relationship. But there were times and things that, as I've always pointed out, I'm not going to overly respond to things that I consider to be unreality. Meaning, just because you have an idea of something doesn't mean I need to fulfill your ideals with logic if I think this thing is nonsense, especially if you're accusing me as something. And we'll go through periods where we'll stop talking. One of those times, she told me that she had a mental, I will call it a meltdown over it. And I was shot. Like, you never know the impact. you have on people in regards to the things that are happening to those people. And yeah, this is going through this process of humiliation,

of degrading behavior in the way that they go in after people. And that stuff is impact. Every bit as much as, you know, school bullying people on Facebook or Instagram or TikTok or whatever particular else that they're doing on social media and these people decide to jump off of a building or slit their wrists. This is no different. And I guess the catch becomes, okay, where does the blame lie? Does the blame always lie with, let's say, the entity or the medium that this is effectively being translated through?

Or is there some responsibility for people to have a baseline of being able to tolerate? I got to be honest with you. This angers me because this is unnecessary. Meaning they done this to this kid, and this kid effectively felt, eff it. I have no out. This is going to be this way in perpetuity. This is going to be this way forever. Right.

I'm going to end it now. Right. Okay. A, you shouldn't think that. I would tell you what a doctor told me once. He said, do you honestly believe at the right age of 19 that your life is over, that nothing is going to change, and that you have every idea that nothing is going to go better in the future. Now, obviously, a rational person can't answer that question with a yes because you're 19, right? How would you ever know? At the right age of 19, everything in your experiences have led you up to a particular point, and you don't have a context for this kind of larger world and things beyond the things that you're effectively going through.

Who's at fault for that? Is it the Facebook companies, or in this case, is it ICE? Or do people have, I don't know, it's fragility of a person. And I don't know how to go with it. I mean, I honestly don't know what to sit with the story. But beyond this idea of, obviously, ICE is at fault from suicide. But he committed the suicide. That's true.

Apparently, he argued with his father. and his family, and basically they were telling him, calm down, it's going to be okay, we'll figure this out. And they, but like, that's the thing. I mean, everything you said is exactly right. It's like that's people are fragile. And there's a, I mean, I kind of think it's like when you subject a population of people, in this case, millions of people in the United States whose immigration status is nebulous or,

you know, wrong. you subject them to say in this case a stressor, the threat of deportation, or a stressor in this case, basically the mark of cane, you know, on his ankle, that, you know, some people on the positive side of the bell curve are going to be like, they're going to go on Instagram and like, look what they made me where. And like, here's my, here's my go fund me and fuck ice. And, you know, and they're going to handle it. Great. In fact, it'll be an opportunity for them. Then there's the vast majority of people who are going to just be hated and try to muddle through. And then on the other end, you're going to have people who do what this guy did.

Right. And by the way, parenthetically, I do agree with Her Majesty Lindsay Graham comment, suicide by walking into traffic is kind of a dick move. It is. It is. I mean, because, you know, think about the poor fucker who hit him, right? Right. And not to mention the car damage. No, but seriously, I mean, I know a guy who was driving a subway in San Francisco, a bart, and a dude jumped in front of him, and he was never the same. It's not cool, too, if you're going to kill yourself to, you know, hurt other people while you're doing it. I mean, people driving could have died, right, trying to swerve to avoid him or, you know, whatever. So, I mean, it's just not right.

It's just fine for the guy that doesn't. I hit a guy that was on a bike once. Oh, shit. 8, 17. And the moment, like, time, like, stop. Like, no bullshit. Like, it hit the car, the huge thump. He goes flying back, and he hits the ground hard.

And I'm sitting in the car just like, it's a nightmare. It's petrified. Yeah. The moment, like, it took him forever to move. And I'm sitting there, like, watching, like, oh, my God, it just killed the guy. Like, thankfully he moved. Thankfully, he was okay. In fact, he even part of the responsibility saying he was riding pretty just

just generally not paying attention. But that shit's horrifying. Yeah, it's horrifying. It's a dick move. So, I mean, that said, okay, I mean, that's, but ICE's responsibility is you subject, say, 200,000 Haitians to this and three of them off themselves, that's on you because of the way you went about it. You went about it in a savage way, right?

This is savage shit. Like, let's just say, for example, I mean, they don't have to make it a publicly humiliating thing. Let's just say you really want to fucking tag a dude, right? Well, how about this, by the way? So protect your borders. Like, you know, what are you worried about? What are you worried about? He's going to flee?

I mean, in the surveillance state where we have, where we have, you know, facial recognition and flock cameras everywhere, you could catch him. You could put a warrant out for him. Nobody's getting away. the days of Bernadine Dorn being on the lamb for 10 years are over, right? And if he flees the country, all the better, you were trying to deport him, right? I mean, I don't know. But the thing is, they could come up with something that was discreet.

Like, you know, maybe it's a device that's like a little, you know, a little bracelet or something that goes, and that you can have a long-sleevee shirt that covers it. There's no reason for this to be a public spectacle for people. why does it need a device at all? He's in college. Yeah. They're going to lay him in the U.S. and just blow off college?

Like, he's there for a specific reason. You don't need to do this. He doesn't need to be in the U.S. if he can't go to college, right? Yeah. So, yeah. The whole thing is dumb. I'm sorry, please.

No, go ahead. I mean, I just, I mean, look, I think that, Like, it's notable because it's a consequence of the deportation strategy and the way that ICE behaves that we may not have considered up until now. You know, the mental health aspect, the anguish that could drive, you know, a promising young man to off himself. I don't think ICE cares. Oh, they don't care.

That's the issue. Like, honest God. They think it's great. because you're right. If you subject people, let's say 100,000 people do this, obviously they're going to be people who eat their guns. Yeah. And ICE would say, well, hey, that's on them.

It shouldn't be in the country. But it's like the way you do things, right? I mean, even Robbie, who, you know, is pro-D mass deportation, he says, ICE doesn't do it right, right? Yeah. Yeah, they do malice. It's almost like they want to. Yeah, they're having fun imposing.

They're sadistic. They're sadists. They're assholes. They're not just, if they're just trying to get rid of people who are here illegally, you can do that without being sadistic. Right. I mean, this is a great case. I mean, seriously, if you want the Haitians gone, just round them up, put them on plane, send them out.

You don't have to put a dog caller on them. Just get rid of them. Just send them back home. They can go make Haiti great again. They can fix their own country. They don't need to be here. And yeah, it sucks. This guy committed suicide.

But how many Americans commit suicide every day and they're out in the news? Nobody cares. Why? Because they're Americans. They're not some, some Haitian who's here pursuing the American dream. And he walks around a car. Including, yeah, including Haitians, including Americans who lost their jobs to H-1B visa holders. Yeah. But, but, I mean, you two are crying crocodile tears over this dude. No one cares about the American, though. Screw them. We care about them. And we do talk about them. And we have talked about them at length. And we will talk about them in the future. I don't care about Americans often themselves because of the conditions that America can. Come on, Robbie. Just because we're talking about a particular issue, like, if I am bashing Joe Biden, it doesn't mean that I love Trump. Right, right, exactly.

I mean, we may be talking about specific issue because of the issues in the news. One doesn't prevent the other. Yeah, and I think our main issue is it's unnecessary. Regardless of who this kid is, he's in the country legally. He's put through perdition, and he offs himself as a result of it. You can say he was fragile. You can say maybe he shouldn't be here. You can say all those things.

I guess my major point is, I don't like the fact that a kid kills himself, every bit as much or any bit more than like Americans often themselves because of the conditions that Americans effectively put it. No, they're people to me. I want people often themselves in general over stress. A couple comments here, maybe blue funk. Like people have such little compassion for people who are suicidal. Like it's cruelty at a level, I can't understand. I agree with that. So you never really know until you put pressure on it.

Correct. I mean, it's sort of like, it's like the thing that people, well, you know, people who say, well, you know, cigarettes don't necessarily cause, you know, cause cancer. My grandfather was 96 years old, never got cancer, smoked five packs a day. Okay. But the exception proves the rule, right? It's like, the fact is, like, for sure. And that's a notable story. It wouldn't be a notable story if you said,

oh, my grandfather lived to be 96 years old and drank water every day. Every you like, shut the fuck up, right? I mean, so, because we all know fucking cigarettes are dangerous, right? Okay, we got Darkworks says, former co-workers just killed himself a few weeks ago. He left his wife and kids, no one cared. I mean, the point here is right. Ben Romero, five bucks.

Thanks for being apart. of a part of my mornings with up-to-date news. You're welcome and thanks for joining us. And Manchild, TLDR, Robbie hates immigrants. Robbie, couldn't you to find yourself. I mean, you come off that way, but I think it's more nuanced than that, isn't it? I don't hate immigrants.

I just, I think Americans should be taking care of first. We have a mental health problem in this country. We have an unemployment problem in this country. We have a wage problem in this country. We have an education problem in this country. I'm sorry, Haiti is not our problem. Cuba's not a problem. Venezuela's not our problem.

Ukraine's, not our problem. Well, we do owe Haiti some shit for the shit that we pulled there. Well, then annex them and make them the 51st state. That's not really the solution, is it? I mean, we already funded my sovereignty enough. It's not working out well for the Puerto Ricans. All they got is a roll of paper towels. Well, listen, but they also have that.

They also get the no federal income tax thing. So that's pretty sweet. But listen, at the end of the day. I've been to Puerto Rico, believe me. I have said this more times than I can't repeat. If America did not have the problems I had right now, I would have no problem at all with letting in millions of people. None at all.

The problem is you cannot walk around a single American city without seeing homeless people everywhere, rampant drug abuse, and the people are generally beat down and hopeless. Agreed. And my question is, is why should we give a one single solitary tinkers dam about some schmuck in Haiti who's not our problem

before we do anything to help our own people here? If that makes me a bigot, so be it. I'm number one, right here, baby. I'm your white supremacist. I'll be whatever hell does you want me to be. This is not a racist issue. I say put the American people first. Don't forget.

The United States is now a minority white. country so it's not a race i know that yeah i know thanks ten thanks take kedy but the point i'm trying to make is the accusations that robbie hates immigrants last time i checked immigrant is not a race no it's not that i hate them it's it's a it's a in the hierarchy of needs you can you take care of your house first this is not difficult rob i don't think anybody here disagrees with you on well so long you most well man charl in the chat just said that i hate that i hate immigrant So obviously somebody here does. Well, just to be very clear, nobody would take issue with the original premise of we should take care of Americans first.

I think everybody here agrees with that. In fact, I think most of the people would agree with it, right? We should take care of Americans first. Because we're Americans. People shouldn't be, you know, well, health care. People shouldn't be, you know, get into their 50, their 80s. And yet are now dirt poor, despite the fact that they gave all the their energies into the country itself in regards to their material. capabilities. I think the issue comes into, okay, now we're adding immigrants into the conversation.

And when immigrants come into the conversation, it's as if all of this stuff is blamed on immigrants as opposed to bad governance. It's bad governance. These people are corrupt. These people are, you know, psychopaths. They're looking out for their own self-interest against what's in America's interest. Immigration is a part of that. True. But again, you may take issue with what manchild is saying the way it comes across as if Robbie hates. It's the whole deport them all, right? Yes. Every last man, woman and child of them.

I don't know how much more clear I can be. Deport is every last single one of them. And while you're at it, because one of the people who I really do hate, to your point, J.T, is the people in my government that allow this to happen. They are traitors. They should, they're the ones that should, actually should be forced to pay illegal price. They're the ones who should be tried for treason.

They're the ones who should be executed for destroying this country. Listen, if I was an immigrant, if I was, if I was, if I was some pygmy in South Africa and I had the chance to come here, guess what I would do? I would do my absolute best to get here because I would have a better chance. I get it. I don't blame the immigrant. I blame my government.

that makes this stuff happen. I blame my government for being more concerned about the borders of Ukraine than they are about Eagle Pass, Texas. I am more concerned about them about a president. It's more concerned about those poor Argentine beef ranchers than they are about the people here. That is my issue. Immigration is a symptom. Our problem is the government. I'm right there with you. So please do not conflate the fact that I think that the American people should be taking care of first, is me giving a pass to my government that's making this stuff happen. That is not the case. The people in D.C., both houses of Congress and the president,

should be put on trial today for treason. They're who I'm mad at. It's not the Guatemalan. Let's get this shit straight. The Guatemalan age who I'm mad at. I'm mad at President Donald J. Trump for not building a wall. I'm mad at Congress for not doing its job. I'm mad at President, Senator Ted Kennedy for his 1965 Immigration Act, he said,

the demographics of the country will not change. Employment will not be impacted. Waiters not be depressed. And both houses of Congress voted for that piece of crap legislation knowing that was a fucking lie. That's who, that's what I'm mad. I mean, in fairness to the late departed senator from Massachusetts. I hope I'm clear about this. And, you know, I'm not going to cast dispersions on his, on whether you should,

except a ride from him after a party. It is, it was, I mean, the economy in 1965 was rocking. Okay. So I could see why they thought it was a land of milk and honey, right? They had a maximum federal tax rate of 90% for the super rich. Money was pouring in. They, you know, LBJ was like, yeah, we have money for the war on poverty. You know, great society and all that.

So, and hell, we can even. would start a war in Vietnam just for fun. I mean, they had money rolling in, so they thought they had plenty to share and go around. I mean... I'm glad to believe they wanted to depress wages. Yeah, they wanted to, and they wanted to depress wages, of course. Okay, guys, Russia and Germany. Are there any further, are there any further, any other questions about Washington in regards to our government? It'll come up again, Robbie. I'm sure it will. Yeah. And at that time, you will bring, as usual,

your calm, non-spicy demeanor to the proceedings, which we always appreciate. Okay. So, basically, here's what's going on in Germany. So at Leipzig Airport, which I have not been to, because I've never been to Germany, there was allegedly, never been to Germany dying to go. There was allegedly an attempted drone attack against a Ukrainian plane. So basically a drone stacked with what they called military-grade explosives. I'm going to guess that's like C-4 or something.

It was found August 4th next to Ukrainian cargo plane at the Leipzig Airport. Apparently the drone hit the wing and fell to the ground and it was dead and nothing happened. Later in the same day, another drone collided with a cargo plane in flight, but nothing happened. And 10 days later, a third drone was. found with traces of that same explosive in a field near the airport. The German government has been dicking around about this over the last few weeks, but now, according to the interior minister, Alexander Dobrint, he says, well, this was professionals working for Russia. So Wagner, maybe, something like that. Russia denies it, of course. And we had some German industrialists

say, you know, Germany is now at war with Russia. You know, I mean, I'm willing to believe that Russia might be behind this indirectly, but I also think who cares? Because it's like you are, I mean, you are basically arming, you know, the adversary in a war. And it's like, it's kind of fair game for the other adversary to strike you if you're doing that, I think. I mean, it's no different than a Lusitania. I mean, you're allowed under the laws of war to intersect, to intersect weapons that are being used against you. If you're supplying the Ukrainians, you're a fair game for the Russians as far as I'm concerned.

I don't believe that, for one, I would be perfectly fan of Russia hit Germany. There's that. Two, I don't believe for a moment what Germany is pushing on this. This makes no sense. Vladimir Putin is then any and everything in his power. to isolate the war to Ukraine. He is a moderate. He is very cautious.

And was somebody like me who was saying that the Russians should have paid off a Ukrainian and blow a ratcliff out of the sky. Putin is never going to take that. Right? Like, he has done everything in his power against the pushing from other political parties,

against the pushing of the own Russian public, who is, we perfectly fine with him bombing a depot or something. something like that in Germany. By the way, this story goes further. I mean, they're reporting that they found a, quote, professional ammo dump of weapons that they are saying belong to the Kremlin that were going to be used for Russian spies to have assassination attempts in Germany. It's like, are you serious? So the drone story wasn't enough. Now we've gone to weapons professionally bundled. whatever that means.

The Russians spies to go kill Germans. Merits may not know this. They're not that important. They're just not. And I don't believe for a moment with Putin still standing there saying he would turn on the taps if you want the oil that he is now expanding the war to Germany. Right. If they feel they're wrong about it, why not Article 5?

Why are you ticking around? Yeah, I find it. It's, I would say it's unlikely that Russia is involved. But I'm saying even if they were, they'd be within their rights. But they would be fully within the right. Man child. The idea that Russia can't properly hit a Ukrainian plane in Germany is nonsense. Oh, yeah.

Well, that's a good point. Manchild, America caused many of the problems that force people to want to risk their lives to come here. America is its own enemy. His Majesty, Lindsey Graham, Robbie had had his 1775 coffee this morning. And light fixing, Robbie continues to be the only. with only any sense. Light fixing, can you imagine in America

where farm workers and Uber drivers are worked by Americans and actually have a livable wage? It won't happen because Ted and Jamarrow wants, Ted wants his illegal immigrant caste system.

Oh, let me be very, very clear. I oppose illegal immigration. I oppose 5-1B visas as I don't know why I have to keep repeating this. But yes, she just said, if you come here illegally, If you're already here, if you just said that, like two minutes ago. If you, okay.

If the unemployment rate is over 0.0%, there should be no workers invited to work in the United States. The end, right? Now, yeah, I mean, it's like, I'm not going to address what Robbie said because it's not true. Okay. It's like, well, it is true. You mean it's not true. Well, I mean, if you're here illegally and you're married and you're, you're married an American, you should get citizenship.

You just said it in this show. I say stop the clock now, no more. That's it. I know you don't believe that. You're against that. But that's where I stand. I don't believe in, like, inviting people in and then kicking them out because there's been a change of power. It's like, that's rude. It's inhospitable. It's not right. Listen, if you invite me to your house and I piss in your sink,

you have every right to tell me to leave. I've been going to piss in my own sink. saying you've done something offensive. Many of these people haven't done anything offensive. They're taking American jobs. By definition, they're pissing in my sink. Sorry, bye. Go home. Look, oh, yes.

But they haven't they haven't offended the state. You as a state can make a determination of, you know, torture being, what did they call it? The youth movementism that they were effectively used with enhanced interrogation. You can do that, but it doesn't necessarily change reality of it. It's just one government coming in. in overriding something that the other government did.

I guess my point is what the test point is the people didn't do anything illegal and coming here. The government changed and all of a sudden changed policies. Did Congress pass a law saying, dear Haitian, you can stay here? Or was that a president made an executive order that said that? An executive order becomes a law. It does not. Executive orders and laws are not the same thing. Well, what, I'm not saying they are.

I'm saying that for all intents of purposes in the way that the government operates, in executive law order is treated as a law. A new president can come in or override it. Correct. True. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the way it's a fit is not taken as a law. Donald Trump has been doing executive orders left and right. Oh, I know.

And that's one of the reasons that I oppose him. Yeah. I know we're over time. We're over time. We've got to go. Mass deportations. Round them up. Take it to the airport.

Don't put a dog call on them. Just send them home. That's Robbie's solution. Goodbye. Okay. Thank you, Tim, Robbie. All right. Thanks, everyone for joining us.

We'll be back for Q&A in two hours. In the meantime, join us on TMI coming up right now. See you in two hours, JT. Happy good one, guys. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.