DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - OMG Canada! | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

Editorial cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM Eastern time. \Today we discuss:• In an indication of how radicalized international relations have become, Prime Minister Mark Carney says that Canada is preparing for the “extreme tail risk” that US President Trump might order military action against Canada.• ICE left a U.S. citizen from Evanston, Ill., injured on the ground with broken teeth after he was brutalized and detained in another incident of mistaken identity. Meanwhile, Trump is reconsidering his deal to import Argentine beef.• The New York Times reports that Mary Peltola, an Alaska Native running for Senate, runs a chaotic political operation marked by tumult—angry and profane outbursts at aides, and shoving an aide. Legit criticism or a sexist double standard?• Campaign finance records cited by ProPublica show that a shell company established by fraudster Martin Kao made a pay-to-play donation to a super PAC supporting Maine Senator Susan Collins’ 2020 re-election campaign. Emails show Scott Reed, head of the super PAC backing Collins, knew Kao had used a shell company to mask his illegal donation.00:22 DeProgram Open: Canada, ICE, and Senate Scandal 02:24 Kyrsten Sinema, the Bodyguard, and Mugshots 07:20 Mark Carney Prepares Canada for a U.S. Attack18:03 Chat, College, and Whether a PhD Is Worth It 22:36 Mary Peltola and the “Mean Girl” Allegations 43:57 ICE Beats a U.S. Citizen in Evanston 49:26 Sign-Off: Full Show Tomorrow, TMI NextSUBSCRIBE on YouTube/Rumble: $5/month$20/month on YouTube: Get a Closing Credit$50/month on YouTube: Exclusive Monthly Hangout with Ted and Jamarl (Rumblers: contact [e-mail] for details)MERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

you JT. I don't believe you. Good. You guys are talking about. This is D. Program with Ted Roll and Jamarral Thomas. It is Thursday, September 24th, 2026 today on the docket. To give you an idea how crazy international relationships have become, Prime Minister Mark Carney says that Canada is preparing for military action by the United States and Donald Trump against Canada. That's not in a rag. Well, maybe it's in a rag. it's in the New York Times. Another U.S. citizen misidentified as an illegal immigrant has been brutalized by ICE this time in Evanston, Illinois.

That's south of Chicago. They even broke out his teeth. We'll talk about that. Two U.S. senators, well, one U.S. senator and a U.S. senator, senator, senator, hopeful, are in deep shit this morning. We talked a little bit, Jamaral, you brought up Susan Collins and the troubles that she's facing relating to. allegations that she broke federal campaign law in a very serious way.

That's now being added by another New York Times report. This is Mary Peltola, who's the Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate in Alaska. She basically is being accused of being another Amy Klobuchar mean girl. It's funny because we just brought up Amy Klobuchar yesterday in the show, apropos of nothing in particular. And this just came up. So it's funny how that comes up. we are here Monday through Friday 9 a.m. Eastern Time.

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Okay, good morning, tomorrow. How are you doing this morning? I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. I want to add one more story to it. And it's not that this person is in trouble. It's just Intrigue. Christian cinema. Did you hear the bodyguard where the bodyguard apparently trashed her place $200,000 worth of damage? He is apparently she likes artwork. She has a lot of artwork that ended up at the bottom of the swimming pool. Yeah, he basically, you know, wanted her to post something on Twitter. But I don't know what he wanted her to post something on Twitter. But I don't know what he wanted her to post. on Twitter and she told him no and he flipped out now just for the onions just the case so they don't know she was having a bit of an affair with her bodyguard um i saw the guy and i thought to myself she couldn't do better than this i'm sorry i saw the guy that thought like when you look at

the mugshot and i was like this is the guy yeah i mean look she's not she has a certain something right um yeah she's not she's not like a classic beauty but But, you know, I mean. But there's something there that I like. She does. She's sexy. No question. She's, now, when people say, can you be pretty and not sexy?

She's an example of, I mean, can you be sexy without being pretty? She's not ugly, but she's not pretty, but she's definitely sexy. And he's, I think, you know, this reminds me when Arnold Schwarzenegger got with his, his nanny, and I saw a picture of her. I was like, she was just what was lying around. You know what I mean? And that's when I saw the Christian Cinema, you know, 39-year-old dude, I was like, man, that kind looks like he sleeps hard sometimes. I mean, it's, it was like, whoa.

Although mugshot is never a great moment. True, but I can't see that, like, I can't see a good moment for this guy. No, I'm agreeing. I'm extrapolating, like, clean him up, Ricky Lake Makeover. I'm like, mm. Still don't see it. Yeah. It's like, by the way, did you see the woman who was arrested in, the woman was arrested

for having sex in Florida with the family dog? And, and, and she had a great mugshot. And she's a dog fucker, alleged, alleged dog fucker. And she, and she was, she, she definitely broke, she didn't go the Nick Nolte route. Like, she looked great in the mugshot, you know? Yeah. Well, that dog obviously had it come in. He was, he was, he promised.

Little, little, little, looking at her a particular way. No, no, I saw him. A saucy little tail. Christian. Kristen, come on, boo. You could do that. I didn't know that TMI got moved up an hour. What happened?

I'm so confused. I thought there were confusing time. I never thought I'd live to see, I never thought I'd live to see a time when the government of Canada would have to prepare itself, steal itself against a U.S. military attack from the U.S. But here we are. Well, that is a time moment. In fairness, though, Ted, I mean, that is a time-honored tradition.

I mean, that's true. It's a United Canada twice. The last time was in the 1850s, we nearly went to war over, went to war with the British Empire over a pig. Look it up. There's actually, it was a crisis. A Canadian farmer shot an American pig and damaged started a war. Yeah, that's true. So, sure things have happened.

But this is North America, where if it happened before Tuesday, nobody remembers it. This is America. What are you talking about? That happened yesterday. No one knows. That's true. Very true. How do y'all think my mugshot would look? Just brutally honest. Probably pretty much the way you always look.

I'm hoping I always smile. Well, a smile is a good idea because that picture is going to be all over the place. Well, it depends on how to get you in there for the mugshot. It's like, is this your last stand mugshot? Or is this a, you know. I always assume, I don't know, I always assume this my last day. I'd like to take a page out of the Apostle ball.

My favorite one is the Frank Sinatra one that's in every pizza parlor, you know, where he's just sort of like, what? You know. What's Sinatra? He'd pull a shit off. I don't even remember what he was arrested for. Neither do I. But, you know, Sinatra or Sammy Davis, all those guys that like mob ties and stuff like

that. So who knows. But I don't think this. had anything to do with it. I think it was something like, you know, maybe shoplifting or something stupid like that. Oh, you mean it when he was like a kid? Yeah, yeah. You've seen it. He's a very, he's very young. And he's, I mean, he always, he aged great. He always looked great. But yeah, he's such a man. I always think to myself, like, what Sinatra's thing is like a man's man, like Jill Scott is a woman's woman, like when they're doing their albums, their music. It's like,

It's very unapologetically a man. Men would always admit that type of thing. Oh God, man, he's so good. Yeah, let's talk about Canada. Let's talk about Canada. All right, let's get. Is Carney playing to his audience in this? And just for the audience, he was having an interview with New York Times.

And in the New York Times piece, Carney made the point of saying it would be irresponsible if I didn't pay for military, potential military attack by the U.S. It's a tall risk, but still, you have to prepare for it because a long tail risk he used, which is that term, which is sort of like a, you know, a dot-com term. Yeah. Is he playing to his Canadian base? Is that what this is? You know, hey, we have to pretend, you know, we have to potentially prepare for an invasion by Trump.

He threatened Greenlee with military force. He's threatening the South America with military force. He put out the map of all of Canada. in South America and even British colonies and French colonies that are supposed to be American territory. So we got to prepare for this. Okay, but the U.S. hasn't built up any military force to attack enemy. Yeah, but we don't really need to.

This is, you know, like in the doctrine of preemption, you're allowed to, you know, you're allowed to attack if your enemy's forces are masked on the border. Right. Okay, but we're the United States. We're already masked on the border. I mean, like, we're right there. But don't you have to build up some military contingent to go after Canada if you're going to do it?

I would think, honestly, I have a feeling that this is probably something the U.S. could take care of over a weekend. I mean, it's so sparsely populated, right? I mean, there's, I mean, 50% of the economic, or I think that's right, but a very, very high percentage of economic activity in Canada is all in Quebec, right? So if you merely control Montreal and Quebec City, I mean, the game's half over. And if you, you know, I can't imagine Ottawa is going to be terribly difficult to get rid of. So if you have Ontario and Quebec provinces, and even then, you don't need the northern parts at all. That's just tundra where bears live.

You know, that's it. Game over. You don't care about Vancouver. You can scoop it up later. I mean, that's probably, I mean, look, I'm. I read this in a number of ways. Like you, I would imagine this is also for Canadian domestic consumption, and rightfully so. I mean, the Canadians are stirred up and it's not without cause. Like, whip them up. Whip them up. Yeah. And on the other hand, this is also that thing where, you know, governments have to have contingency plans for every possible thing, right? So right now, the United States, I guarantee you, has an invasion plan in a dusty file cabinet somewhere for the U.S. invasion. and occupation of Vanuatu.

And we have, you know, what if we're attacked by Cuba? What, you know, who knows, right? So they, you know, the Canadians are no different. They're a real country. They have a military. They have to have contingency plans. And he was clear about saying, like, this is not like we, you know, we don't think this is going to happen, but just in case.

But I thought the mere fact that he could bring this up, and he's not a stupid man. in an interview with the New York Times tells me that this is this isn't a message for this is not a message for a Canadian audience who are reading, you know, the Toronto Star. This is this is for an American audience. Like this is how much, I'm telling you guys how much you guys have scared us and how pissed off we are. Yeah, well, scared the world. Yeah. I mean, like Donald Trump threatened to attack Greenland. Right.

Right. And the Greenlanders are more to the point, the Danes rolled. Yeah. I mean, so it's like, it's not like we're just going after brown people or we're just going after Persians. It's not that. It's we are putting a world on notice. Again, when Donald Trump put that map out. Our imperialism isn't racist.

Right. We have equity. We have equity. Our militarism. Give him credit, right? He's equal opportunity. He's like, hey, I like that too. Yeah, yeah, but we're white people.

We don't care. That's cool. It's like, fair enough, he's equal opportunities, not being racist about it. Good, good for him on that. From economic standpoint, it makes sense. I mean, Canada has all this tar sand that have a crap ton of natural resources that we want that we need, that we covet. And I mean, to the point, J, do you think about this?

And those bear rugs are going to look nice on our, on our, You know, whenever I play civilization, and I've got to know about you. By the way, we've got to pick up our civilization game again. Do you ever spawn and you're right there, docks to a neighbor who's huge with a crap ton of resources, no military to see like right there like, I want that. Do you ever just go across the border? What can they do? Do you ever just go across the border when you play Civ and take it?

If so, that's, I mean, that's a human condition. It's like we were giving them the option of being a governor. You didn't want to take that. We tried. And then at every point you say, hey, man, we feel under threat by Canadian Mounties. Yes. And just like that right. Right. We think Canada has nuclear weapons. We can't allow Canada to have nukes. I mean, this was literally, wasn't it some Bill Murray movie or something? Like in the 70s or 80s where Canada invades the U.S.? Yeah. Wag the dog. So it's literally it's literally a joke. Like literally it was a comedy routine.

Monique Lewin'iwitzki thing came from, the wag the dog thing. The idea that idea that. that the US played up as if Canada was going to invade America in order to get away from a scandal that will take a place in America. That's what the BAT, right, Wag the Dog, yeah. And that's what the race came from. When Bill Clinton was trying to, they claim that Bill Clinton launched airstrikes in order to distract Romanooga Lewinsky

and wag the dog. Yeah, the Canadian thing. Look, I'm being tongue-in-cheek when I said we should take Canada. I hope so. But that is what we did to Greenland, and that is what we did to Venezuela. That is what we did to Iran. And what we're about to do to Cuba. That's what we did to Mexico.

I mean, this isn't, I mean, this is not a new phenomenon. Right. No, but the thing is, will it, but will it stick, right? I mean, anyone, as the Afghans can tell you, anyone can invade, but can you occupy? Right. And occupation is hard. So, you know, I mean. Just be clear, I'm not truly suggesting we should have made Canada.

I just want to make sure I don't want people to like tomorrow's saying we should take Greenland in Canada. No, no. Look, we can't even run our own country, right? I mean, like, are you kidding? I mean, this country is like, it's a cesspool with like declining birth, with declining infant mortality. We can't send our kids to college anymore. everyone's broke as shit. The economy is a disaster and just you wait. And yeah, no, I mean, it's it's nuts. We should do some comments and then. Yes. All right.

Hold, let me just say this real quick. I mean, if we're going to be, if we're going to be fighting wars and stuff, building an empire, wouldn't it make sense to actually take over a country that would benefit us? Instead of, instead of occupying Afghanistan for 20 years, which you got nothing out of. at least Canada would give something of a material benefit to the empire, unlike Afghanistan. So you can at least make the logical choice. And the thing about all of the illegal pot that comes across the northern border, that's a massive national security issue because Americans don't grow their own pot. It's all coming from Canada.

You got to stop. Wait, wait, pot's coming. I don't think that's true at all. No, you're grown pot. I mean, first of all, the Canadian climate isn't good for pot. Trust me, I live in Montana. The Canadian hot trade is a very real. The vast majority of the weed that's sold on the street in the United States originates now in legal grow, in legal houses, right?

Basically, since legalization, there's overproduction and they can't sell enough of it through legal dispensary. So it's mostly just dumped on the street. So most of the weed you can get from like, you know, Jobob is perfectly good. It's the same shit you can buy at the dispensary because it's very market. I would buy wheat off the street at this point. Those taxes are cheaper. I just don't. I don't get why.

I mean, like, look, man, I love the idea. Well, street meat is cheaper. Yeah, there's no taxes on this. No. Yeah. No, no. Believe me, Street wheat, I mean, I don't buy it. But I do, I know someone who does.

I don't buy. Street weed. I know someone who does. And, you know, the same shit is literally half the price. And it's the same shit, though. Like, if I go to the weed shot and I say, hey, I would like tie lights. Yeah. And they said, okay, well, here's your container of tie lights. And tie lights may be expensive, right? Or northern lights.

Dispensary weed is expensive. Yeah, but it's the same exact stuff. It's not the same thing. They're different products. They're different types. It's the same products because it's grown in the same exact facility usually in California. Ted, there are so many different brands of weed. I know. I've been, I've been to dispensaries. I know. Right. I guess I'm saying it's not the same. If I'm going in, so, for, for, example if somebody says I want something for a new rock you can order that specific strain though from uh and like in in in new york city for example it'll be delivered to you right from a street vendor is that what you're saying from yeah yeah exactly you show you you go out and they text you they say come out into the street a guy drives by hands it to you and he's selling it off the street

he's not selling it from a dispensary no yeah exactly he's selling it from he probably has it in his apartment i'm very doubtful well well I believe that you can get it in New York, and I believe that they can deliver it in New York. And you're in D.C., I can't imagine it's any different. It's a real city. Well, I'm in Richmond. Right, right, right. Richmond's a real city, too. I mean, like, I mean, Calispell would probably be not, they don't have delivery systems and stuff like that. Well, they have delivery systems, but they're from dispensaries. That's what I'm trying to say.

Right, right, right, right. That's not what I mean. I'm talking about. You can go to Weehouse. I think there's a lot of gray market weed, stuff that sort of falls off a truck. If you see, it is. There's a huge amount of gray market stuff. Like in D.C., you can go to like a weed house, and they would have just crispy treat. Let's do some comments here. Okay. Ray is taking me to account for my bedhead.

I'm like, I don't have bedhead today. This is normal. You should see my bedhead. I look like McNulty. Jackson, would you do a PhD? Would you do a PhD, Robbie Ted? Did you want to school for one? That's a, I mean, okay, so.

Yes, yes, I would. But I'm worried about the opportunity cost of like, you know, it takes like five years on average. It can take longer. And during that time, I'm not doing this podcast. And I'm not drawing cartoons or not as much as I should be. So I'm 63 years old. Do I now want to be 68 years old?

And with a PhD, which is cool, it would be fun to have, besides which I would also need a master's. So seven years. I'd be 70 years old. I think that'd be great if I had the money and the time to do that. I would totally... I love college. I love studying. But also a PhD isn't really

college where you get to hang out at seminars and shoot the shit and solve the world's problems. A PhD is a lot of individual research which is pretty lonely. So I guess I'm sorry to Weasel. I'm like, maybe. How about you guys?

No. I mean, it's nice to be a doctor, but the work that you put into it Probably, no. There's other things I would prefer. I prefer to be a chess master. I would prefer to, I'd go back a master in history. I've never been to college.

I don't see the point. I do see the point. It's, well, seriously, let's just say you're rich and you have nothing better and you can do anything you want. College is a lot of fun, especially when you're young. You know, it's like, you're meeting, you're hanging out with other people. and studying and the world feels open and you have like possibilities and you get you have access

to research institutions it's a it it it can be a lot of fun I think it's maybe not as fun if you're at a community college or something Ted I've heard your stories about studying I don't think and I'm a married man so I don't think I could study the same way that you did with your extra curricular activities you probably wouldn't be married when you're going to college most people aren't and yeah you would be yeah I mean hey I was a good I was a good student I graduated with honors that's yeah you're going to get get a three your degree on three sums lay lay pipe 401 not just not just three sums her majesty Lindsey Graham says sup heifers and Jackson did you dye your hair since yesterday

Ted you look different yeah it's it's it's I look grayer you I think it's just the light is different. Okay. And no, I don't dye my hair. I've never dyed my hair ever in my life. I can't say I never would, but actually, I like the way my hair looks right now. Is it the laptop versus the iPad? Oh, that's probably what it is.

That might be it. Yeah. Your picture looks. Different camera because I have an external camera on my home computer. Thank you, Ray, for gifting a subscription to D-program. We do need those subscriptions. Ma 36. The dog can now be an FBI agent.

So true. So true. Purovita. Guys, I highly recommend you pay subscribe. Ted sends picks of him in his briefs on request. You don't need to wait for him to get up and let the cat inside the room. Okay. Liza Lahn. Do you know how big Canada is you American?

Yeah, I know. Canada is huge. I mean, we're, but I think the point that we're making is most of it is empty. It's like if you're in Iceland, Iceland is mostly empty. Like, it's huge lamass. And it's like, you don't need to control the, the Canadian wildfire zones. Yeah, you don't need the polar bears. Polar bears can do what they do. We can get that like, they've got that under control. Yeah, just get the part that's important. Yeah. So Montana, you take three, I mean, you take three cities, you have the entire state. Yeah, you don't need all of it. Yeah, it's, I mean, honestly, New York, New York, if you wanted to control New York State, all you need is the city, and maybe you could use Buffalo, you don't even need Albany.

Yeah, yeah. So, yes, we know Canada's huge. We're just talking about the People's Center. And yes, Americans are incredibly stupid. FU so, I took community college classes for 12 years and got 15, what? 15 associate's degrees and three certificates. It's cheap and no stress when old. and doesn't matter.

So I ended up going to, 15 is crazy. I went the Longwood first. I was sick most of the time I was in Longwood. I ended up coming out. I ended up going back to J-Sard Reynolds, ECPI. I got two certificates from both of them. Well, that's not true. One was a certificate.

One was a associate's degree. Then I went to get the bachelor's from New York Institute of Technology and have a herbal bachelor's degree that I never use. I mean, we had a thing in Richmond where if you went to community college, you could skip the first two years of your regular college, if that makes sense. But it doesn't work great. Yeah. There's stuff that you need. So you graduate with the bachelor's?

Yeah, I graduated with a bachelor's from New York Institute of Technology, J. Sergeant Reynolds. I got my associates in, and I got my software degree from ECPI. ECPI was like a college year, which became kind of like a community technical college here in Richmond. But I got associates from, I got a degree from that, which is what I used to go into software and which start doing the software development stuff. Yeah, now you wouldn't even need a degree, right? I mean, not really. I mean, they care more about your skill and capability. In fact, they have classes. They test you.

Yeah, and testing. Yeah, I mean, I think. But see, they used to have technical tests anyway. When you go into software, usually there's like a panel of people who you're talking to, and they're like evaluating you. And sometimes they have you doing stuff on boards and coming up with software logic and all with this other stuff. Yeah, technical interviews can be intense. So, okay, well, let's, I think we should keep, oh, let's see.

Did I hit all the comments here? Oh, I got to say if I had to do, if I really wanted to do things, my way. I'd honestly get a history master's PhD combo. And it would probably, I know it's stupid, but it would probably help me sell my books better. What's not stupid? Knowledge for the sake of knowledge is not a negative thing. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, it's just the accreditation thing. I look, I like, I like dusty archives. I mean, I like handling documents that the president of the United States handled. It's just cool. but I mean I think and obviously you learn a lot but I'm just saying it's stupid that you know someone would buy your book because it says Ted Rall PhD on it my mom used to say that I should have used my formal name my legal name for my books because I would be taken more seriously and she was kind of ridiculous but I kind of see her point like you know like Frederick T. Rall the third like I mean it just seems very serious.

Yeah, it sounds very serious and pretentious as shit which is something I do hate All right, so that's it for the comments for now Should we talk about ice? Yeah, we should talk about ice Or we can move on to

I want to talk I'm really dying to talk about Mary Peltola Shall we talk about her? Yeah Okay, so Mary Peltola is an Alaska native running, she's the Democratic nominee for Senate Democrats were very, very excited about her. And basically, so she was kind of favored to win probably in what would likely be a blue wave election this November.

And she still might. The New York Times just published this piece that basically says she's an asshole. Basically, she pushed one of her aides, shoved him in the chest, almost knocked him over. She apparently has a raging temper. She likes to dress down people in front of others, all reportedly, allegedly, all the normal weasel words. My personal favorite, you'll know why, is that she was taken to task for using the R word retard,

as in fuck that retard. She's a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and she also used the F word where she was referring to someone as a faggot. Really? And I'm like, okay, so definitely shades of Amy Klobuchar. So she has two principal lines of defense here. Well, three.

One is, I knew her and I worked for her and she was great and I didn't see anything like that from some people. Okay. That's a general. That's not much of a defense. Okay. Then, because it's like, so what? Maybe she was nice to you. Okay.

Then the next line of defense is this is sexism, you know, double standard. Dudes act like this all the time. And so what's with this? This is just like what y'all did to Amy Klobuchar. That was also her principal line of defense. And then, you know, there's also people who are just like, I don't care. I'm going to vote for a Democrat against any Republican no matter what. Team blue, no matter what.

But it's not really a defense. That's an annulment. Yeah, that's just, yeah, that's right. And so wait, what was the other thing that she said? Oh, yeah. She said that in 2023, she suffered two big deaths in her family. Her mother died and her, look, I feel that. You know, my mom died six years ago and I'm still not over it. So I totally feel that. and also her husband died in a plane crash.

So she was raising as a widow, raising her kids. And she says, look, I was short-tempered. I was strung out and grieving. And so I took it out on myself. I may have taken it out on my staff, right? So these lines of defense are somewhat in conflict with each other, right? Because it's like, I didn't do it. But if I did it, this is, you know, it was because of.

of my grieving. The one that interests me is the sexism one. I don't know, but because it's like... I even wrote it down. Okay. I don't know. Go ahead. No, no, no.

So reason it interests me is, first of all, I don't know that I buy the assumption that men behave like this all the time and don't get called to task for it. I think that's something that mean women like Hillary Clinton say. And, you know, I've worked for a lot of male bosses, mostly male bosses, and some female bosses. And they ran the gamut. You know, I've had, like, by some counts, like over 40 jobs. And I've had lots of freelance clients, hundreds of them. So, you know, I've had lots of supervisors, editors, and so on.

And I kind of say that, like, men tend on average, at least in my experience, to be better bosses than women. And they tend to be calmer. And they tend not to go to like these very bad places, like belittling and name calling as quickly as women. Now, I think, I guess what I really want to say is if a dude was running for Senate and these same allegations came out about him, I suspect they would be as notable and they would be as noticed as the fact that it was in this case, it's from a woman. I think it's the fact, it's not the fact that she's a mean girl. It's the fact that she's a mean person. And I think the question for voters is, do they or should they care? And that's really the question we should be asking.

I'm not even sure it's like worthy of bringing, I mean, I'm not sure in a world where the New York Times every day skips entire countries to cover that this is really worth the space, you know, like her person, the way she deals with personnel. In a way, I have to admit, I don't really care. I would care how she votes. I would care about the policy she promulgates. I mean, you know, I would have voted for Ted Kennedy. I wouldn't have let my daughter ride in a car with him,

but I would have voted for him because of his policy priorities. You know, Bernie Sanders is apparently very loyal to his wife. I don't really care. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. But they don't write articles like this about men. I mean, I remember when they were. aren't really like this as much as women are. Well,

one, I don't know that. Many, they don't, I mean, obviously, they're going to be people in the political space that act this way. And I would even make... Like Rahm Emanuel, you know he's like that. He's an asshole. Right. Romo manuel is an asshole. But they don't write articles about this is in a negative context

about him being this way. And I got to be honest with you, I would wager to you that many political people are this way, just from the pressure of getting into the positions that they're in. They all yell and curse and carry on and bark at their subordinates. By definition, to get to where they are. Now, it doesn't mean that all of them this way. But I can imagine that getting to this particular position, you have a certain personality type of getting to this position.

It's like they all basically CEOs and politicians of sociopaths and that you on some level need to be that way. And this kind of type of personality you need to get to the position. People like Sanders, who don't want to hit their opponent, don't typically get to that position because they don't necessarily want to be who they need to be in order to get there. And I guess my point is,

they would write this about Klobuchar and Kamala Harris and this woman. But how many men... At a really key time, by the way, right? Like just literally in the clutch, right? Like just six weeks before the election. How many men do they raise stories like this about? That's good point.

Cuomo acted, I mean, this was only like towards the end of his career where they went after Cuomo. But Cuomo acted like this all the way through, Rahm Emanuel, acted like this all the way through. Cuomo's stuff was more serious. He was an ass grabber. Well, that too. I guess I'm saying maybe they do have a point that the mean girl thing is a mean girl thing. Like meaning like they make a movie mean boys, mean girl, right? Yeah. Like, even though men do come in groups and act like, basically, I guess you would call that a gang. But I don't know.

I mean, I don't think this behavior is. And see, I'm in a bubble in this. I don't know. You may be right. That it may be this thing of like, well, women need to overcompensate. And in overcompensating, they have this idea in their heads about how men behave and they are trying to behave in a similar way as they think. Yeah, this is what leadership looks like because leadership has always been man. and aggressive and I have to be aggressive and I've got to like dress like a man and

cut my hair real short and be an asshole and yeah I need to be strong I need to be militaristic yeah whereas the reality of it is okay well men don't entirely act this way as bosses all the time I mean I've only had maybe one that was that way and even he wasn't that way all the time right like he just like that way when things went awry. I've had women bosses that were horrendous. And it wasn't because they were women. It was because they were just horrible people.

Yeah. Like, everybody recognized them as just being horrible people in this particular context. A woman I used to work for it as a barista. She was a lunatic. Like, and just very difficult to be around in general. But that wasn't the norm. Like I had another woman boss that was chill, cool, and just a really good boss. Oh, sure.

No, I've had great women, female bosses for sure. I don't know. I mean, it's very possible that this is, I'm divided. It could be, this is what women think men are, in which case they're trying to emulate men when they're getting leadership positions, and they may be insecurity on some level, in which case they need to behave this way. But the other way could be the media is playing up this mean girl thing

because the mean girl is a mean of sorts. And so when they find a mean girl, they're like, hey, she's mean to her staff. She's pushing this guy. She's hitting this guy, et cetera. The other part to this is- Well, I mean, if true, that is a serious matter. I mean, that is assault.

It's every bit as serious as what Cuomo was accused of. Although with Cuomo, it was a serial matter. And it was sexual harassment, too, yeah. The other part to this is, that is like it's interesting, is A, this is coming just before the election. Also, I'm worried. Is using the R word disqualifying? Oh, well, so much for my political career.

And that's the part, right? It's a Democrat, which if you have Republican, it doesn't really matter. If you're independent, it doesn't really matter. I don't think it does. As a Democrat, oh, this is orthodoxy. By the way, part of me liked when they quoted her, and it was like, where, like, oh, she was pissed because some guy sent some fundraiser, sent out a photo of selfie of him and her together,

and he wasn't supposed to. And she texted her staff, fuck that retard. I'm like, I like this lady's style. I literally was like, you know, I would feel the same way.

Fuck that retard. I love a woman that would drop an up bomb. I think it's very, yeah, me too. Dependence on how to do it. I don't want it to be, you know, if it's, I had an interview.

I like the fact that she didn't feel the need to be woke or, you know, that she could talk like a real person behind closed doors. And it kind of sucks to think that we live in this world where every time you text of, you text out a brain fart. It's going to end up in the fucking New York Times. It's not a brain fart.

She was pissed off. She meant it. Yeah. Well, I have a question for you all. And I think I probably have a different take than y'all. I think we're going to see more of this with women bosses because women are outperforming men in the workplace. So you're going to have more women bosses. You're going to have more women executives.

And women like to put more women senators. And women like to put knives and other women. And listen, I worked on health care. It's a very woman. the dominated the industry. It just is. And you are swimming in a sea of estrogen. That's one of the reasons I wanted to work from home is because

I'm not going to pretend like I don't know what you're talking about. It's bad enough to be a woman in that environment. Me is the only dude. Like the only guy with external plumbing. You were like Clint Eastwood. You were like Clint Eastwood in the Beguiled.

It was bad. And the thing is like, for example, there's not getting as much. There was this one lady who I had to train, and they used the word train loosely because frankly, she was stupid. To borrow a Tedism, she was retarded. And so my job was medical records, which involved reading and reading comprehension and be able to actually understand the document that's in front of you.

I spent six months training this lady. When she finally got done training, she called me over to, she called me over to, to talk to her about an ecology note. The first I asked her, so did you read it? She said no. So read it. Do your job. Then if you need help, come back to me again.

She was to HR. I got, I got seven six weeks of sensitivity training because I was too rough on her. I hurt her feelings because I told her to read a document and do her job. That was sexist on my part. So women who are squealing about this. Come on. Who is looking in the mirror?

Who watches this show who would. not say that you deserve more sensitivity training well it's probably why i'm so unsensitive it's because i've had enough of all this of all this crap but seriously ted if i don't do the job that that you don't pay me for i get called i get called to the carpet for not doing for not doing the job that i'm and i say hey retard no correct but i mean that's the point although you would deserve it but i wouldn't do that no well well of course well in which case i would tell you then to find yourself a lower paid producer to replace me with. Oh, wait, you can't. I've had to pay you to do the job of that point. But I guess the point that I'm trying to make is, is that as women climb more and more and more

and more in the workplace, just to see more and more and more of the stuff coming on and women are very toxic with each other. It's just a fact of life. Sorry ladies, hurt your feelings. It's the truth. I mean, I worked in all male, uh, uh, uh, workplaces and I've worked in all female workplaces. and oh boy oh i mean all male is taught is not good um it's it's like you know you need that you need you need the you need the you need the sexual variety you need people who are like you know you just need people who are more civilized to be present right men aren't civilized men are savage um but like an all female workplace is so toxic um and it's dangerous you just don't want to be around. So it's dangerous. Yeah, you're you will be yeah, you know, only bad things

will happen. All right. But anyway, so Mary, so let's get back to Mary Portola, a peltolla. Yeah, I mean, it is it is it. Is it useful that her family members have passed? Because I think it is. It's it. It's, it's assuming it's true. Well, it is true that they that they had passed. We don't know if it's relevant. Yeah. Right. I mean, look, but that brings up another question, right? I mean, grace under pressure. You know, look, you know, in 2020, my mom, right before the pandemic, my mom died two weeks before the lockdown. I didn't spend the next year or two, like, you know, screaming at people and calling them names and shoving them. I mean, so, I mean, the point is this is a presumably being a United States senator.

even, albeit from Alaska, would involve like some pressure, some high pressure situations. You'd want to think that, you know, she'd be able to be calm and, and address those. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, people handle some differently. Like, I know when I got sick, when I,

well, ironically, just before the pandemic, and really didn't even have anything to do with the pandemic. When I had the stroke when I was at the job. I mean, in fact, a lot of stuff went wrong that year. in 2020. It was like a stroke. It was mirth. Not verse. What was this thing called? Oh, what is the thing called? I can't think of the name of it. Mindia didn't let me come into work. Mindia was like, dude, go home. And I was trying to, I was trying to do the job. At one point he was like, dude, go home, go home. You have, you know, this could be contagious.

But a lot of stuff was going wrong that year. And I wasn't, I wasn't popping off. I was distant. Yeah. I know with eight. You're right. People respond differently. Yeah, I want to be left-bound devices. I don't want to be. I'm like you that way. Yeah. And when you're stuck with the wife, you're stuck with my wife. I don't want to talk about my problems because I already have my problem. And if I talk about my problem, it's like I'm reliving my problem.

I'm experiencing it again twice. Well, it's indulging. I was considered it's indulging. It's like it's. It also doesn't do any good. It's almost never that someone says, hey, Ted, have you ever thought of? And I'm like, oh, shit. I didn't know that.

You know? And see, I think this is the difference between many women. If I being honest, like, women would more so indulge. Yeah, women always say, like, oh, you feel so good after you talk about something. I'm like, I don't. Yeah, I don't see the point. I mean, but. Unless someone has a practical solution.

Like if someone says, like, you know, like when I was dealing with the LA Times, if someone said, oh, I know a good lawyer who. would be interested in your case. I already talked to him. He wants your case. Okay, that's really useful. Thank you so much. That's help.

But I think men get this wrong. I really think men get this wrong, though. Like on some level, I think that's why men eat their guns. The housewives, one of the things that blew my mind about housewives is the way they talk about stuff that I would consider to be too weak to talk about. And they would just openly have these conversations. And I'm like,

Whoa, people talk about that. And I realized, oh, right, it's the housewives that are doing this. These aren't like the housemen or the house husbands that are doing this. Husbands don't really get into it. They may a little bit, but they're usually talking about external stuff. The women are talking about internal stuff that is effectively bugging them. And you think to yourself, is this what you got to spend your time on? Even in the show, the men are like, oh, God, they're at it again.

They're able on some level to maintain your friendships and relationships because they're willing. to kind of air this stuff. I don't know. Maybe there is a value and just airing stuff. Oh, clearly there is. I mean, it makes a lot of people feel better. Yeah, but I mean, sometimes, I mean, I did, I was a, you know, I supported my mom, took care, I was a caregiver for my mom. She had Alzheimer's. It was hard. I was, I'm an only child. And I went to a support group. And that was useful. Just basically like, my main takeaway, though, was, man, my situation sucks, but it could suck worse when I heard these other stories. It always can be worse.

Yeah. Yeah. I stopped feeling sorry for myself. I guess the main point is the, well, I mean, that doesn't. That wouldn't stop me from necessarily feeling, well, I guess I can see why it would. But it's still the situation, still the situation, even though other people may be worse. It's still my own situation in that case. I don't know.

I mean, I give her a little bit of grace. it's true, but that's what's going to be true. Like, I don't doubt that the people died, and I don't doubt that it was hard on her. Whether that was why she was an asshole to her people, she might have just been an asshole to her people. It just so happened, this other stuff might have just been going on. I don't know. Yeah, it sounds

like she's kind of excessively spicy, right? I mean, you know, just in general. I mean, I think that's probably what's going on here. She should probably take up hunting and go shoot some animals. That's where... Right. Don't take it out on your staff. Right. Yeah, yeah. Go shoot something that can bite, you know, that'll keep you busy.

But then that one point is that cinema was also rough to her audit, to her staff or something like that. Yeah. I mean, they seem to do this for women. They don't seem to do this for men. I haven't read articles. Oh, this guy is very an assent. I mean, I guess that's true. And I guess, yeah, I mean, I guess the question is, yeah, I mean, Bill Clinton was an asshole.

Yeah, nobody knows. Like when I, so I had a friend. he worked in the West Wing of the White House. He's a former cartoonist, and he ended up becoming a speechwriter for Bill Clinton. And at that time, my cartoons appeared regularly in the Washington Post, and I did a cartoon that the president didn't care for, and Bill Clinton walked into my friend's office and threw the paper on the desk, and he said,

you tell your friend to go fuck himself. What? Bill Clinton said fuck Ted wrong? Yeah, yeah, he did. So he calls me up and he goes and he's like, the president of the United States is pissed at you. Oh, shit. Like that's not good.

This man can kill me legally, right? Like, it's not good. So. That was good. I was fucking. I was proud and terrified at the same time. Okay, okay. So, but anyway, obviously, here I am.

Everything's fine. But I mean, by all accounts, he's, I mean, they're all like that. Right. I mean, they all have spicy tempers. And, I mean, there are exceptions like George W. Bush, apparently was like a serious pleasure to work for. Everybody loved to work for him. He was a sweetheart. Donald Trump, a lot of people who, you know, were close to him for years in the Trump organization, like his personal assistant,

adored him and said that he was always, you know, very kind and considerate to them. It's like, you know, sometimes it's unexpected. I don't know. I mean, I guess the question is, should we care as voters? I mean, in other words, should reporters care? I care if she's competent. If she's competent at her job, that's what matters. And most people who are competent want stuff done a certain way.

If someone has a complete screw up, like someone asked me in the chat, Andre, said, Robbie, was your female boss an immigrant? No, she was just stupid. Yeah, like Maryvonne Peltola was told at one point, she was angry when she was running for Congress. because there weren't enough sign, or maybe in her current campaign, there weren't enough big yard signs in southeastern Alaska. And she, according to the Times article,

sent out a message to her staff and basically said, our yard, in the southeast, our yard sign game sucks. I'm like, so what, she said that? Who cares? She's good for her. She's noticing things. She's on top of things. Yeah, she's just managing her team.

Yeah. What should she say in that situation? And by the way, Hitler's secretary. thought Hitler was great. Boring, though. I'm going to point out. Very boring. If you're a god, man, I can't remember the name of the movie.

But at the end of the movie, like, she's talking about Hitler, like, oh, he's such a great guy and everything else. And realizing what she was saying after the fact, like, oh my God, all these people are killed and everything else. The person relationship is one thing. How the person is is something else. Yeah, for sure. I don't know, I mean, some of the stuff just sounds like she's just being a manager.

Some of the other stuff might sound if she's been excessive. But, you know, yeah. I don't know if they would write the story about a guy. Massive has a comment. You guys need bus drivers and truck drivers. I want out of this hellhole and I'll gladly get Canadian residency or citizenship if I can. You can go to a Canadian government website. Just Google it.

And you can find out if you qualify for Canadian permanent residency. It's a point system. And so it has to do with how much money you have, how many degrees you have, how many certificates you have, how many languages you speak. it definitely helps to speak to like French also. But there's, I mean, it's actually pretty easy. It's much easier and far more direct than our immigration system, which we talk about here all the time. Right.

So Frasmatas, what was the topic about the bodyguard trashing the ladies' artwork? Who is the principal client protectee? Kristen Cinema. Kristen Cinema. Yeah, she was, her bodyguard was tossing to her artwork. into the pool. Okay, so Frasmatas, question for Ted and

Jamar and the chat. There's a new Kenneth Branagh movie. That's always of interest to me. Set in the Soviet Union called May Day. It was a fun action movie. It takes place in 1988-ish. I would watch. I would check that out. And what's the name of Ken Brannon?

Brenna. He's a very acclaimed director. P.W. Walker, Men, police other men. Women defend and justify bad behavior by other women, unless they're better looking than them. Then the knives come out. Ooh.

I'm not touching that one. No, I'm not touching that either. We do have to talk about ICE. We have in the time we have left. So, Evanston, Illinois, that's best known for where Northwest University is Northwestern University. That's just south of Chicago. So anyway, ICE was looking for a dude outside. You can't make this outside of Mexican restaurant.

They saw another dude who looks like the guy that they're looking for. They go up to him and they say, yo, we're taking you in. Let's see some ID. And the guy's like, fuck you. I'm an American citizen. Suck my dig. Eat shit. And so they get furious.

And they beat the shit out of him. It attracts a crowd. They beat him up. They break his teeth. They leave him. So this goes on for long enough that there's an angry crowd. According to ICE themselves, they were forced to flee for fear of being like attacked by the mob.

And Evanston PD is called. They show up and you can tell from their press release that they are pissed at ICE. Evanston, the cops, the local locals show up. They see this guy on the ground, unable to get up. He has to be sent to the hospital. And ICE claims, oh, well, we offered him medical assistance, but he refused witnesses say. Nothing like that happened. And so this was, and, you know, it's another case of a U.S. citizen being detained, beaten, you know.

I mean, this is just getting, it's getting crazier every single day. And while we're talking about immigration, we should probably talk about the Trump looks like he's about to roll back the Argentine beef thing. But anyway, yeah. Well, how can't, he can't press charges. I remember when I had a conversation with Garland about this, it's like outrageous. Because my thing was, say for the moment that cops were there and say for the moment ICE agents came up. And the guy told him, hey, suck my dick. I'm an American citizen.

Show me somebody. I'm not showing you shit. I'm an American citizen. I don't have to show you anything. And he's right, by the way. And he's right. Can the cops intervene to prevent him for being attacked or dragged away? And I remember Garland said they're probably not going to get involved. Garland used to be like a chief of, you know, like a head cop of like investigations and everything else.

That's outrageous. Like, meaning the fact that the police department, won't protect you as an American citizen from these goons of the Trump administration. Because they would say, well, this is a federal issue. Yeah, but I'm an American citizen. Yeah, I'm sorry. You got to work that out. And you're a local citizen of the city of Evanston, Illinois. Yeah. Well, whether you're a local citizen or not, you're in their jurisdiction, right? Yeah. It's amazing. It seems like their authority supersedes the law.

there's i mean we are seeing a big you know some clash some jurisdictional disputes of this kind around ice increasingly right like um the minnesota authorities have been uh working very hard to try to hold someone accountable for the uh the killings of alex predy and uh i forget the woman's name in uh Minnesota uh who were both um you know killed by ice uh early earlier this year. And they're starting to get somewhere. There's increasing examples of local authorities and local prosecutors now indicting ICE officers.

In some cases, ICE sort of lets them be indicted. So there's some accountability, but it's really frustrating. I mean, look, the thing is, what I can't get past is, again, these are unidentified random goons. Like, we shouldn't, the media shouldn't even say, this was ice. They should say like purported ice officers or self-identified, yeah, or alleged or unidentified men claiming to be ice officers. That should be the nomenclature in all of these stories, except when, you know, people are not wearing masks and they're presenting, you know,

lawful IDs and displaying their badges. I mean, it reminds me of back when I used to go to protest it's in the 80s and 90s in New York. The cops had these like plastic elastics that they kept by their shields. And if they were about to attack us and assault us, they would cover up their badge. You'd see them take the plastic elastic and cover up their shield members. And you'd be like, oh shit, here we go. And I'd be like looking for the nearest subway, right? It's just like a, I mean, it's like you, it just should be in the Constitution that any agent of the state, whether you're an IRS auditor or a federal agent, FBI agent, you should have to present ID.

Like if you watch videos on YouTube, there's tons of examples of alleged FBI agents showing up refusing to present business cards or, which anyone can print a business card, but refusing to show their shield. and their ID, and they're like, well, we're from the FBI. How do I know that? Let me see your ID. Oh, we're not showing you that. I mean, that's, even the Gestapo presented their ID. I mean, that should just be the law. Yeah. I mean, if you need to cover up your face as an agent of the state, you're doing something wrong. True.

Just as a rule. I mean, otherwise, why do you need to do it? Right. Right. I mean, they say, well, we feel. I'm sorry. I don't really think they're in danger. Yeah. I mean, I mean, put it this way, if they're in, if they're hiding their identity, riding up in unidentified trucks and snatching people. And then it's like, okay, but you're in more

danger doing that. Right. Like anybody in that crowd could have pulled out a gun thinking that these people were doing to happen. It's absolutely going to happen. Yeah. I mean, you're beating the living daylights out of somebody. Out of an innocent man. Yeah. And an innocent man, no less. For fun, gratuitously. The day after they shot someone. And so it's like the crowd, not knowing what is taking place, somebody could easily pull that a gun. In Ukraine, for example, when you have those press gangs, one of the videos had a guy pulling out a gun because of the press gang in order to disperse them from grabbing somebody. Okay, that could happen in the U.S., especially if you don't know who the hell of the people are. Yeah. I mean, it's just outrageous.

You're hanging out at a Mexican restaurant? How cliche. I know. I know. It actually does. I love Mexican food, and it really does make me think twice. It makes me also feel like, is going to a Mexican restaurant a political act now? I know.

I know. The ice thing is disturbing. It really is. I mean, until there's consequences, it will continue. And there won't be. Guys, thanks so much for tuning in. We'll be back tomorrow for the full two-hour show, 9 to 11 a.m. Eastern Time for the program. Please stay tuned for TMI with Ted Raul and Manila Chan.

That's coming up right now. Thank you very much, Jamarland. And thank you, Robbie. See you soon. Have a good one, guys.