DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Q&A | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

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Good afternoon, and you are watching the Q&A edition of Deep Program with Ted Raul and Jarmal Thomas. And you might be like, wait, what happened to John Kiroaku? We will keep talking about that a little bit for the next couple of days. And then you'll just have to catch up if you haven't heard. So John's last day was Thursday. He let us know about an hour before Thursday's show that his new agency, CAA, told him that he's not allowed. to do any more podcasts. So he's dropping deep focus as well as deep program.

And I don't know. I guess he may or may not. He'll be probably cutting back his guest appearances. So he can focus on this new TV deal that he's got out in Hollywood. And they told him that you can't do podcasts anymore. So that left us without a host. But, you know, it's a co-host, I should say. There was still me.

But I was, you know, it's funny, right before Jermal, had you had your health setback a couple of months ago. You and I had been talking about doing a show together anyway. So it was only natural that it was like, well, you know, you're better. You know, you're getting better. I think it's a more accurate way to put it. And, you know, we were going to do a show together anyway. And, you know, it's just a natural fit.

And I think it's going to be a pretty seamless transition, although obviously, the dynamic won't be the same, nor should it be the same. But anyway, thanks so much. Jermal Thomas is the new co-host of Deep Program. And we had announced last week we were going to do Q&A, Monday and Wednesday at 12 noon. So this is the second Q&A show, first one for Jamal, second for the show.

Thanks everyone for tuning in. Thanks for liking, following, and sharing the show. Please put your questions in the live chat at 12 noon Eastern time for the entire here for the. hour, either in YouTube or in Rumble. And we're just going to answer the questions. No, if you have a question that involves today's news, we'll talk about today's news, but we're not, the analysis show is at 9 a.m. Monday through Friday.

Okay. There was a truth that came up about Bob Lazar in the previous one. Do you know Bob Lazar is? No. You don't know Bob Lazar. Ted, you know Bob Lazar. Okay. Okay.

So area 50, area 51. You know area 51? Of course. Bob Lazar is a guy that put Area 51 on the map. Like Area 51, nobody knew that Area 51 existed before Bob Lazar came out effectively saying, oh my God, there's an alien craft. The U.S. government is at testing these things. Yeah.

And it became this huge story. Like Bob Lazar became a cult classic. And he is one of the most controversial figures in the UFO lore. Because his stories stay consistent over the course of like 40. years, give or take. But you have a lot of critics who say, well, they think Bob Lazar is full of it, and you have a lot of people who say Bob Lazar is legit. Nevertheless, Bob Lazar stayed somewhat constant over the course of the time that he's been in the public spotlight. And to be honest, doesn't even like the public spotlight. They rated his businesses and all sorts of stuff looking

for what they don't necessarily say what they're looking for. But Lazare is interesting. Lazzar was recently on Rogan again, and it's apparently coming out with a new documentary called S4 where he gives this almost like AI recreation of what it was like when he was at the base and stuff. It's his story is this is one of those guys that I've known about for like 20 years but it's good seeing him back into the lamplight and it is very well um seeing him on rogan again so somebody asked about it yeah yeah someone did all right and so we have questions already piled up in the queue. So let's, are you ready? Yeah. All right. Meta Rayslan. Hey guys, there's a lot of contradictory reporting on the rescue operation. What do you think really happened?

Yeah, I mean, you know, we're talking about the rescue of that pilot, which by the way, I love the fact that like, okay, so we're fighting a war that we shouldn't be fighting and we're getting our economic asses handed to us. But somehow it's a huge victory that we lost a very expensive plane and a bunch of helicopters and another plane apparently. Yeah, the contradictory, so let's go through the contradictions. One is that there was, that, was it two planes that were downed, that were downed? Yeah. Or was it one.

A, Wardholt. The other one was an F-15. E. Eagle, I believe. Yeah. I mean, the story makes no sense. Let's be honest. Right.

This puts you to mind of, you know, the Gilligan, the skipper. got on the SS Minnow and went and blew up North Stream pipeline. And everybody's like, yeah, that makes sense. It's kind of like that. The story makes no sense. I mean, they're saying that Iran shot down their plane. Oh, I'm sorry. A plane went down, quote, unquote.

That the palate lived, apparently. Right. Ragged himself like a thousand miles or thousands of miles or something to that effect, 100s of miles. While injured. Who is? 100 miles. Okay.

Wild injured, by the way, in hospital territory. The U.S. sent, what was it, it was two Blackhawks or something like that? Two Blackhawks, yeah. According to the story, they got stuck, quote, unquote, in the sand. Those had to be blown up. Shades of the 1980 hostage rescue mission under Jimmy Carter. Yes, where it doesn't go well. Apparently, according to the story, they send hundreds of special forces.

deep inside of Iran in order to do the rescue operation. This just sounds so over the top. Right. And I mean, this doesn't sound like a win to me. It's like, sounds to me like, and also there was a report that five Americans were killed in the rescue operation. Yeah. So, I mean, look, all that's clear is that nothing is clear. Yeah.

We're not being told the truth here. You know, it's like, look, this is, this is not. not a complicated story. Like a certain number of planes and a certain number of people died. And like, what's that number? They're not telling us. These are integers. These are low, these are single digit integers. You should be able to answer these questions. So what really happened? I don't know if we'll ever know. They say that truth is the first casualty of war, right? Matina, question, what are Jamal's political views? In other words, where is he coming from? Great question. I come from the left.

I tend to be an honest left team. And I put the term honest in it because, you know, a person could be on the left and still be full of it. Absolutely. I'm not my honest take. And I'm not partisan in this case, if that makes sense. Obviously, I have certain political views. And those views tend to trend towards less or, you know,

non-interventional wars, non-interventionalism. if that's the word, but I'll go with it. Under normal circumstances, but I'm not a pacifist per se. And so, look, I tend to be straight with you, and I tend to argue or give you my take or my point of view, like where my point of view is coming from. You can pick it apart, agree with it,

and disagree with it, but it will be straight with you. And if I think I'm wrong, I'll just say I'm wrong, or I think I'm wrong. I don't have, typically have a dog in the hunt on this stuff. But I tend to float economically to the left, not just float. I tend to be hardcore to the left in economics. And the same thing is probably true, like, from the standpoint of foreign policy, I tend to be less interventionist.

Unless I feel like somebody is about to be attacked or assaulted, I tend to shy away from this idea of invading countries and blowing stuff up, which is why I'm so against the behavior that has been taken place now and has been taken place for the United States over the course of this architecture. So, I don't know. You can spite check me on that stuff when he comes up. But I won't give you my honest take. Yeah, I mean, that's what this show is about, right? Like, the tradition of this show has been, you know, to try to call it as we see it regardless. You know, like, we're not pushing an agenda here, right?

Like if Donald Trump does something great and he does sometimes, I'll say so. Yeah. You know, and so vice versa, you know, if you if whatever. So like basically no agenda, just, you know, whatever. Just call it as we see it. No team politics here.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have plenty of videos where I'm like, hey, good job. Yeah. People are like, oh my God, I can't believe you said that. I've been there. But they don't have other videos where I ain't putting a knife in them vigorously.

And I got to be honest, there are more of those videos than the others. But if he does some good, get him credit. I don't have an issue saying, hey, getting rid of the TPP was a good thing. Right, agreed. I agree with that too. Evan, what genre of movies is y'all's favorite and which movies? Sify.

Easy, sci-fi. Sufi is a hard genre, though. The average quality level is lower than, like, say, drama. Well, okay, like Tenet is an example. Like a Gary Nolan flick. I pay $20 to watch Tenet because it was the came out during... Remember it came out during the pandemic? And it was like the first, and it was like, it's $20.

You want to watch a new movie? And we'd all been at home and it's like, okay, I'll fucking pay. And I'm like, $20 at home. It's not a $20 movie. Anyway, you don't think so? The movie is fantastic. I even bought that movie. You don't like it?

I slept through it. What? Yeah. I didn't not care for it at all. What was it that you didn't like about it? Because to me, Tannit was phenomenal. I thought the pacing didn't work. first and foremost.

I often have problems with pacing of films. You know, it's like it's either there or it's not. But so sci-fi genre, I mean, I do, look, some of my favorite films are sci-fi for sure. I mean, I can't count the number of times. I've seen Robocop, Starship Troopers. I love Verhoeven. You know, love him.

I think he's an international treasure. If I have to say my all-time genre, favorite genre is probably noir or French New Wave. but I also love I mean, love, love, love sci-fi, but it's a disappointing category a lot of the time. There's a lot of schlock. I've got a time to this,

because they lean so far on special effects. Cloud Atlas. By the way, I just watched Blade Runner, the original one again. The original and the sequel, I love. So did you know, it was set in, so this is funny. I just noticed this.

It was last week. It's set in 2019, and Harrison Ford, he has a newspaper. Because even in the 80s, They couldn't imagine that in 2019, there still wouldn't be newspapers. Interesting. Interesting.

Right? See, that's the rub, right? I don't know if you've ever seen these guys who do, oh, what is it called? What is it called? Like, remote viewing. And when they're doing, like, the future. And, like, the people will point out, they would be like, you know, that's always hard. Like, even futurists, like, people who predict that stuff.

Because you never know, like, if you were in 19. 12, you couldn't conceive of anything like the internet. Right? Like, it started to get your head around. And even if you could, look into the future, you would have no words to even explain what it is. And that's just, what, 60 years, 50 years, 50, 60 years, 70 years, 100 years, give or take. Yeah.

I think about that. My dad is born in 1928. And, you know, just think about what his world was like when he was. I mean, like, you know, no one had a television set. Rich people didn't have a television set. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, radio was your main broadcast medium. You know, a city like New York had 26 daily newspapers.

I mean, it was a very, very different world. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Okay. Oh, by the way, spot the sunshine of the, I do like drama also, spotless, what is it called, the Jim Carrey thing of the sunless mind.

Yeah, the spotless mind. The eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. That's it. I love that film. Filmed in my old stomping grounds of Eastern Long Island. Is that what they filmed? Yeah, it's filmed in Montauk. US Triple X A-Rod.

Yeah, how did Jermal intro himself a little more and talk about his journalistic background? Good idea. Journalistic. Oh, God, I don't know if I could call myself a journalist. So I started maybe about a decade, a little bit more than a decade ago on YouTube under Jamal Thomas, my channel. And initially, it was just kind of feeling my way out. I think this was during the Bernie Sanders wave.

And I started paying more attention to politics, especially getting into like a professor wolfian-type worldview, like a workable point of view. and would do my show in that sense. That led to me getting the job at the radio network at Sputnik, where I was there for five or six years. And we covered domestic and international politics. In fact, man, they've sent me to so many events because I was one of those people who just used to love to travel. So if I could do both travel and work, yeah, man, hello. I covered the Geneva thing with Joe Biden and Putin when they were at that meeting. I covered the European politics, I'm sorry, the European parliamentary elections, Lula elections.

I was sent on all of these places in order to cover them on the ground. And at the point where the network went belly up, I reformatted my channel to resemble the radio program that I worked on covering international domestic politics. So this has been something that I've been doing for the last decade. Yeah, I don't want to be long with it. But that's just a brief synopsis. Okay. Plenty more to get to. Did we really, Skylaski wants to ask,

did we really recover both pilots on the downed planes with no losses of American soldiers? But we talked about that a little bit. Yep. I kind of, I'm 50% or more convinced that we lost. Some soldiers in the rest. Yeah. I think he's just lying. I think this is just, you know, it looks bad that you, because let's put it in context, right?

We were told these planes couldn't be shot down. We had total dominance of the skies. And we were told that Iran no longer had air defense. Right. How does that work? Right. It's like all of the air defense. This war is over and all of a sudden this.

Yeah. Like that's not possible, right? It's like, if anything, Iran, like, look, I had talked about this earlier, and I think this was born out to be correct. Iran clearly, they knew that this was going to be like an existential, longer battle of war than the one a year ago. And they obviously used their shitty missiles up front and they're improving them as time goes on, which is exactly what you and I would do. Right. You know, it's like, you know, save the best for last. And then also psychologically, right?

It's like, oh, shit, this isn't getting easier. This is getting worse for your enemy. So, yeah, we haven't even seen the hypersonics yet. By the way, it's what Russia did, too. If you remember, they started augmenting their dumb-dum bombs with, like, gliders. Yeah. So those bombs get effectively glide further and hit those target, like, it's guided bombs. Yeah, Iran did the same.

and it's rational. It's like, okay, well, this guy has X amount of air defense. So he has 20 missiles. All right, let's see if he could shoot down 400. Some of them are dummies. Some of them are the dumb missiles. And at some point, when you realize, okay, their air defense system is effectively weakening and giving out, oh, here's a new hypersonic.

Here's another missile. It's like you're introducing those things in a way to deplete the capability of the enemy. in this case, they're air defense systems. Not to mention the air defense system didn't seem to be all that great anyway. Like, or at the very least, they seem to be diminishing because Iran has been hitting Israel seemingly at will at this point. Yeah. It's the it's the Kinsu Knife strategy, right?

Like, but wait, there's more. Yeah. Right. Yes, do you think for the 200 rupees? I think those are rupees. Hey, Ted and Robbie. extremely sad to hear about John not being able to do the show anymore. That being said, the show must carry on, and it's lovely to see Jarmal on the show.

Oh, thank you. T.C. Ponte, what do you think of the dispensationalist theology in the Trump government? Could it be related to the recent change in army leadership, e.g. refusal to follow absurd and illegal orders? I mean, I do think the purge in the army is of note for a variety of reasons and not. just because we're in the middle of a hot war, and it's weird to switch out the Army Chief of Staff in the middle of a hot war. But, you know, we haven't talked about this, Jamal, but I mean, I think the militarization of ice, you know, turning ice into the biggest militarized force in the United States, bigger than the standing U.S. Army, bigger than the National Army

militaries of whole nations like Denmark or Norway is an ominous possible hint to what might look like an election cancellation this fall. And I wonder if Trump is out is trying to install a more compliant military in preparation for full-on fascism. I think he's trying to install the compliant military in general, but that had, I think people need to put that in context, which you just said. Like, what is it, the Ponzi Conis Act, the one that basically say you can't have U.S. military. Pasicomatatatus, yeah. Ponsicomatatus. And then what they did was effectively find an end run around it. And so, okay, fair enough. We can't do, quote, military, but that doesn't necessarily stop us from creating other organizations that functions

almost as a domestic military and use that at our leisure. Because if you think about it, it's not like if ICE has rules, I'm unclear what those are. Because the way it functions in practice is that they seemingly can get away with anything. It's a paramilitary organization. It is. It's familiar to anybody who's been overseas and seen countries that have paramilitaries. Yeah. Oh, by the way, he is doing that. I mean, the fact that he's putting military or, let's say, trying to put troops on U.S. soil, that is ominous, ominous. Very.

Yeah. And, I mean, look, they're already at U.S. airports. Yep. John Hart, thoughts on Lindsay Graham talking about the invasion of Karg Island as Iwojima-esque. Why romanticize Iwojima? so many Marines on the beaches, excited for the new journey. This show will be on. Yeah, I don't know why Lindsay Graham would be talking about that. Iwo Jima was a meat grinder. Right. This probably will be, probably just because it's an island off the coast of a, off your adversary. I think he's that

dim-witted. Oh, he is. I mean, I was about to say something wrong with Rosa, Lindsay Graham. There's probably nothing more derogatory that you could say about him that that John didn't say. Yeah. Oh, for, see, I don't know the boundaries. Mrs. Lindsay Graham or, you know, fur or... Yeah, but Miss Lindsay, it seems to have an emasculation complex. And just like John McCain, where it's like, look, I don't think these people are

psychopaths or sociopaths. I don't think they care in the conversation. context about human life in the realest sense of the term. And it seems that there's no war that Lindsey Graham is not perfectly capable of sending other people's kids to go diet. And so I don't know why he were both romanticize. I mean, the Japanese islands were vicious fights. Like these weren't you know, these kind of triumphant easy wins. No. No. He romanticizes that nonsense. Absolutely brutal. I would recommend watching letters from Iwo Jima and letters from our fathers. The pair, really brilliantly done.

You need to watch both. Yeah, get a sense of that. Mustafa, thanks for the $1.99. Much appreciated. Oh, hi, Jamal. Welcome to the show from Annie. Anna. How much truth do you think there is to the miracle rescue?

Story of the F-15s. Do they really get rescued? Ish, as we talked about. T-C-K-E. Any thoughts are insight into the Bubian missile and drone strike by Iran? Evidently, the base was a relocation site for the U.S. troops from Camp Arfjohn. Right. I'll look into that. I don't know. Well, they've been reshaping the Middle East in regards to the Gulf countries, which is one of the most fascinating parts of this conflict.

Like, they got into a conflict believing seemingly, anyway, that Iran was going to continue with the true promise thing. Like, oh, we'll do a fake. Okay, or we'll respond modestly. Okay, we'll respond a little bit more. Like, it seems that they had this kind of assessment that Iran wouldn't lose its mind in go bananas. What they miss is that Iran had no choice for the go bananas. Exactly.

This notion that we could continuously peck at you. Yeah. And when we stop, everything stops until we reload and peck at you again is nonsense. It's like October 7th. I mean, you know, Hamas was like, we're not alone to be moan, right? Like, we're coming for you now. Right. You have, you have royally screwed the pooch in the way that you've approached us.

They didn't have a choice. I like, look, they are in a situation where they are dealing with an existential threat. And let's be very clear, it is existential. I mean, if you look at what the United States did to all of those countries leading up to Iran, where are you going to Iraq, Syria, hell, Lebanon, which they've been invading you're trying to take territory from. Like basically, you have had a monster roaming through the woods. And that monster roaming through the woods has been knocking on Iran's door for the last,

God knows how long. It's so ironic because everything that the U.S. says about Iran, you know, Iran could say about the U.S., right? Like, you know, oh, well, someone's got to fucking take out the trash at some point. I think if I'm Iran, the mess. the message that I'm sending out to the Sunni countries is, while you guys were sucking the Americans dicks, like we're actually, we're standing tall.

And I think that's got to speak to the Arab street. You would think, I mean, you would hope that they would look at it in those terms. And I think on some level it does. Otherwise, the Gulf states would act the way that they do. Like, meaning they're scared of their own people. Exactly. Like the language comes across as of, hey, we're working with Iran. We're not going to work with them. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And in practice,

though, Saudi Arabia was obviously helping the States, help the U.S. All the States were helping the U.S. Yeah, MBS was behind the scenes urging Trump to attack Iran. I saw that report. Yeah, I saw that report. And again, I'm not shocked. Saudi Arabia to me was always sketchy. Oh, I think I even had Baranian. I was like, they're the worst. These guys, do you? Yeah. We should have nothing to do with them at all. Okay, so let's see. Thanks very much U.S. Triple X-A-Rod for the donation. That being said, why are the none of the military brass standing up to Heggseth and the president? They have to know that what they're demanding now is insane. It's not their job to stand up. I mean, you can say it's their job. I don't know if it works that way in practice. Usually they're

orders, right? Yeah, John used to say that if Trump tried to like cancel elections, that the military would stand up against him. And I always disagreed with them. I don't think so. I think they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, everything, every atom in their being is trained to just say, yes, sir, and just follow orders. And I know they're told like, oh, you know, you don't have to follow a, you know, an unlawful order. But in reality, if you, if you, if you avail yourself of that privilege, you end up in the, you know, being court-martialed. You can be prosecuted. Yeah. I mean, look at what took place of Venezuela, right? Like they were literally just murdering people in boats. All of those orders were illegal.

Yeah. By our laws, international laws, it didn't. And clearly illegal. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like, huh, murdering this guy falls on the edge of legality. No, it's just illegal, right? No.

Didn't stop them from doing it. They still followed their orders. And even when one of the guys, I forget the name of the general, the person who was running it is basically retired early because there were illegal orders. They still did it. Well, I mean, you know, what we forget is that Ronald Reagan signed executive order 12333, which bans political assassinations like that of General Soleimani. And it's completely still in effect.

No president has ever canceled it. They just ignore it. Robbie had a question for you, for us. Yeah, regarding the shootdown of those American planes. Yeah. I can't prove it. It was fun. Bost us off of you.

What do you think? the odds are that a russians not officially involved well you think the odds are that they sent some of their wagner buddies over there that the ones are playing hell over there in iran oh that's interesting that's what i was doing right it's possible i mean how else are they doing it we know that the russians are giving the iranians targeting information we know that they're assisting with logistics so why would it so why that my what they send wagner i mean what other by the way colonel wickers said the same thing because workinson's thing was they'll probably be russian pilots in some of those planes.

Or like, because you're in this kind of fog of war where you kind of get away to us. Like when you, like, a perfect example. In the very beginning of the war in Ukraine, there were reports coming out of, I think it was Figueroa, French newspaper, that they were troops, U.S. troops, and French troops on the ground in Ukraine. Now, they would never acknowledge this in a sense of, hey, we have troops fighting on behalf of France against the Russians. but are they you know what I mean like you have every incentive in the world to basically drag America into a larger quagmire of its own making considering it was a self-inflicted error no I agree

with you it probably is I mean that'd be Wagner but it may be some other contingent of military I mean it happens to my grandfather he uh lied about his age he's born in 1905 went to go to go fight in France when he was about 12 13 yeah and uh then they He actually fought the Lincoln Brigade. Is that what it's called? Oh, no. This is called the Confederate Brigade because there's all guys from the South. They flew Confederate battle flags over their trenches,

and their commandant officer was this dude in the 70s who was a former Confederate officer. What? And we've got this old wax record. It's about a quarter of an inch thick. It's this old cylinder. And it's in France. It's called You'll Find Dixieland in France. It's not any of the history books, but we've got the record.

Wow. I didn't know that, by the way. I love with Abraham. No one knows. I love stuff like that. It's so esoteric. Thanks, Robbie. Okay, so let's see.

What's the country? This is from Daniel that you visited that disappointed you guys the most or would never visit again. I love that question. Oh, I hate that question. I don't want to ask that question. I'll answer that question. I'll answer that question. All right.

So I fucking hate Japan. and I fucking hate South Korea more. So South Korea is boring. There's really not much to do. The people are not friendly. But Japan, there's stuff to do, but the people are so unfriendly. I mean, you're just not going to get a connection with anyone.

And I used to go all the time because I worked for a Japanese bank. So it's not like I went once and had a bad time. I went more times than I could count. And it sucks. Pakistan, there's stuff to do, but it's fucking, I mean, it's hot, it's miserable. Everyone's addicted to drugs. They hate Americans. They throw rocks at you when they see you go by in a Jeep or whatever.

It's the pollution's fucking out of this world. Everything smells awful. It's dangerous as shit. So I fucking hated Pakistan. trying to think what other countries I would like. So I would go to Pakistan again because there's business there, you know, like in my, because I care about Central and South Asia. But I wouldn't, you know, if I could avoid going to South Korea or Japan, I would.

Believe it, I actually love Japan. A lot of people do. Yeah, it's clean. It is. Food is great. It's all the stuff to do. Yeah, it's safe. radically so. Yeah, it's, it's an interesting place to visit. The subways are just phenomenal, like,

in a way that they can move, cities and stuff like that, or diversity specifically Tokyo. I didn't like India. India's rough. Yeah, I didn't like India. I go back to India again, though. People are, the people are great. Yeah, it wasn't people. It was just, it's rubbed against my sensibilities. Like, like, for example, I was 18 years ago. And, um, You know, it's like it's hot. At the time, they didn't have a trash system that I was aware of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so the trash would just bake on the streets.

Oh. And so you're a squalor. It's this crazy. It would be like 100 degrees with trash baking in the streets in the middle of the monsoons. And it's piled like a foot or too high everywhere. Yes, it's gross. Like, it just grossed me out. Like, there doesn't seem to be trash pickup.

At the time, there wasn't. Yeah, people just throw their shit on the street. That's it. Yeah. It was just like, you would just see streets full of trash. Many of the streets weren't paved at the time I was there. So it's like, where you're walking from point A to point B a year, you're effectively walking in, you know, none street.

I don't know. It just, it rubbed against my sensibilities. I put it that way. Yeah. Yeah, India is rough for sure. Good question, though. Okay, let's see. I don't like the trash countries.

Fais is asking, where is John? John quit an hour before Thursday's show because his new agency told him to. He has a Hollywood deal. And they said, oh, you're not going to have time to do anything but write your TV show. So we're telling you you have to quit all your podcasts. So he's quitting deep focus.

He's quitting this. He quit this. So that's where John is. The pilots, were they women? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was a colonel. They were saying it was a guy.

The rescued guy was a guy. Okay. Okay. Blank. Can you guys show current political cartoons or talk about political cartoons sometimes? Sure, but if you're really into that, you should watch the DMC America podcast with me and Scott Stantis. That's Thursdays at 11 a.m. Eastern. Mattina, this may be a delicate question.

How does Jamal get his news if he can't see? No, I didn't sell blind. It's not a whole distinction of legally blind versus blind blind, you know. Yeah, I'm not legally blind. I'm not blind blind blind. My vision has just been damaged. Like, so, like, for example, my right eye has like, It's almost like you're looking through a straw.

It's almost like a, yes, like you're looking to a straw. And this other stuff is blurry. And so it becomes that much more difficult to, not to mention as a whole at my asset also. So there's a segment of it right there. There's a segment of it missing. And it's like a chunk that if anything falls in it, it just kind of disappears.

years. Your brain tries to ignore that and tries to piece the world together using whatever vision you have remaining into a kind of cohesive picture of the world. It's not that I'm blind, not able to drive at the moment. Playing chess and stuff like that is more difficult. But you still do it. I mean, you can still function. It's just more difficult to function. But yeah, it's awkward. I haven't gotten used to it yet. I still nearly run into stuff or miss stuff when I'm, like, reaching forward or, like, pouring and you're pouring on the floor or stuff like that. Have they told you it's going to get better?

I have no expectation of it getting better. In fact, I assumed that it was permanent the moment that it happened. Because five years ago, something like this happened where I wake up and I am blind, like, and I mean blind, blind, like where, like, suddenly, like, all of the vision and when eye is gone, 75% of it in the other eyes gone. In a panic, in a panic, instead of asking my wife at the time, can you take me to the ER? Because I'm a stroke. I effectively tell her, I'm going to the hospital and giving her a few seconds, I just kind of leave getting the car and draft at the hospital. And they basically said you had a stroke, but at that time it was only

like a sliver of vision that was lost. And I got to be honest, even with that sliver, I went through a full panic. Like, I had a meltdown over to, I mean, it took a while for me to kind of even just deal with the fact that the vision was impacted at all. And this is radically worse. No, I assumed it was permanent, especially when it didn't go away after a day or so, because I was traveling for that about two days to get back into the States. And at no point did it come back. If anything, it was just as well. it is. I'm going to a ice specialist here in Richmond. They don't necessarily know what to put it down to yet. They're thinking it may be something with the right now. I do know it has something to do

with hypotension, like low blood pressure. Like when the blood pressure gets worse, the vision gets worse. So is this officially like, is this like a TEI or whatever that's called? Or is it's, it's an acronym for like a micro stroke? Oh, I don't know. I mean, I got to be honest. Like, they checked the brain, nothing took place in a brain. And to be honest, they didn't even find at the end of it all, well, this wasn't necessarily a stroke in the strictest sense of the term. It was something else that affected the retina that affected blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The previous doctor called the stroke. So that's the terminology I went with because it seemed that there was pinching off or a blockage of something that created some weirdness with the vision. But the weak spot seemed to be vision.

So much for fucking intelligent design. I know. Like, you could be just hanging out and suddenly, you know, you, this, something gets pinched. But that's the terrifying part. You could be, like, look, you can do anything, right? And something goes wrong. And it just, sometimes it's stuff that feels random. Yeah, it's so weird.

Okay, thanks for the donation, Jose Miranda, 499. What are your thoughts on birthright citizenship being overturned? And do you think it will happen? Let's put it in Robbie here because I know Robbie likes to talk about birthright citizenship. I don't, I have to say, I don't think it's going to happen for the simple reason that the Supreme Court, which used to be so hard to read during their oral arguments 20 years ago, you couldn't tell shit. Now you totally can tell how they're going to vote from the way they ask the questions. And it's pretty clear you're going to have like a seven to two roughly majority. opposing Trump's executive order.

But, you know, the thing is, what's interesting is that the Supreme Court in a ruling that, like, people, like, glided by last year, basically has decided that, like, now, when they adjudicate a case that applies to sort of a general class, it only applies to the actual plaintiff, right? Nobody knows this. So it used to be. Wait, what do you mean? Explain that.

So for example, like say there's like now, let's say you had like the, remember the Colorado Gay Cake case where the guy, the guy like, you know, so if that case had come around now, they would have ruled in his favor, but it would not do any good to anyone else who was in the same exact position that he's in. It would only apply to him. And anyone else who was in the same position would have to go back and seek redress from the court. individually. It used to be that like if you, you know, whatever, whether you're a Dred Scott or Korematsu or whoever, you know, whatever situation happened to you, now that court ruling applies to everyone in your situation unless it's a decertified decision like Bush v. Gore. But there's case law. I mean, it still creates case law, right? It, not the way it used to. Not really. I mean, it does create.

case law at the lower level, but if it makes its way all the way back to the Supremes, they kind of consider it de novo, which is the term, like basically like it was never there before. And one ruling overrules the other in a kind of a weird sense. Totally. Yeah, it's very strange. So I don't think, so in a weird way, the Trump administration is likely to de facto have overturned birthright citizenship without getting it officially back. So, it. So, anyone who seeks, who is having birthright citizenship stripped by the federal government can avail themselves of the courts, but they're going to have to spend like $10 million to win their case, even though the truth is they should win their case because the Constitution

is pretty clear. Is it? Explain that to me. Okay, go ahead, Robbie. I'm sorry. Robbie, go. Well, it's not clear. I mean, let's put this into context.

the 14th Amendment was ratified after the war of northern aggression. That's what happened. The entire purpose. Listen, I'm talking to a black man right here, okay? Totally fearless. Here's the whole issue. It was about extending, making sure that slaves and their children had citizenship. That was the entire point of it.

It had nothing to do with immigration. Now, it's a horribly written amendment. I mean, whoever wrote it was drunk, retarded. I'm dropped as a baby. I have no idea. They've just badly written. But history's on my side here. In the 1860, it is because in the 1860s, the Dakota territories, Indian territories,

are all under the jurisdiction of the United States government. No other country on this earth claimed them. That's a statement. But they were considered sort of semi-autonomous nations. states by the federal government. No, they weren't. I mean, they were just there. But the point that I'm making is that Indians who were born, you know, in the tribal nations didn't have American citizenship, even though they were under the jurisdiction.

No, because of what I just said. Yeah, they were tribal nations. Like, it's not like, meaning those places weren't the U.S. Those places weren't America. And they still kind of aren't, right? I mean, like the government needs to get permission from, like Navajo Nation leadership to go on to the res. Right.

The United States never recognized any of those. They go through and they make treaties like to the Fort Laramie and stuff. They go in. They play games and stuff. But it was a very Byzantine, very British way, just trying to go through and try and bribe them and give them the blankets, whatever, give them as much booze. They wipe each other out as much as they can with alcoholism. That's all true.

But under the U.S. Constitution, a treaty obligation is a recognition. You don't sign a treaty with something that's not a. a nation. I agree. So it is on you. The only treaty I can think of that was ever actually ratified by the U.S. Congress was at the end of Red Cloud's war when Red Cloud defeated the United States for the very first time. Like the U.S. Congress never signed a treaty with the Creeks or the Cherokees or the or the, or the Sue or anyone else. That was the Department of Interior going through making agreements. That's where you get the whole idea of a rules-based order versus a law-based order. They were never recognized as nations. Those people were a nuisance. And the whole point that I'm

making here with this from a historical context is that you cannot bestow citizenship on someone who comes over here who's nine months pregnant, pop notes, pops the squat, fires out junior, the baby's a citizen when you had an entire race of people who were already here. And those and those citizenship's rights were not given to those people either. what needs to happen. But that's different because of what I said, they were tribal nations. Yeah, they were tried. Then show me where in America.

Then show me where Congress ever recognized them. Show me where the United States ever set up in this. By signing treaties with them. Those treaties were ratified by Congress. They weren't. They were done by the Department of the Interior. In fact, check me on this. Okay, well, they should have been ratified by Congress.

Well, should have and were are two very different things. point if they did sign a treaty, right? So and I guess it wasn't, but it wasn't lawful. I mean, again, under the Constitution, only Congress can sign a treaty. That's why, for example, if, you know, this whole thing going through with Iran, if I was ever made the, the Grand Baptist Ayatollah of Iran, I would insist as part of the peace agreement that Congress signed a treaty. Agreed. Codifying in law. The only, the only Indian, to my knowledge, that ever got a treaty, got through Congress was Red Cloud. When he went to Washington, D.C., he met the Congress. He went to the Capitol. He did all these things because he defeated the United States Army. And that was a problem

that they did not need. But, Robbie, legally, aside from the legal, I mean, we can, we don't have, we have other questions waiting. So I don't want to spend the whole show on this. But the, you know, we've talked about the problems that are created by not having birthright citizenship. You know, for example, someone's brought here as a luggage when they're one year old. They don't even speak their quote unquote native language. They only speak English. They only play American video games. They play Baldur's Gate.

They watch Robbie West's gaming channel. They, you know, they're completely American. So it's nonsensical to suggest that this person should go back to Uruguay or whatever. It makes no sense at all. And they're supposed to live in the shadows here. Like, you know, and then they have kids and then their kids are illegal too. In France, they have this problem. And you have fourth generation illegal immigrants.

That makes no fucking sense. Then the case that you need to make, and I hear what you're saying. I understand the argument. Then the case that you need to make then is that you have to pass a law through Congress, signed by the president, and you have to make the case how immigration, legal or illegal, helps me economically. You're both economically to the left of me. So the biggest problem that we have is wage suppression and rising inflation. Immigration is a net drain on wages. They're related, but they're not the same issue, Robbie, right? But it's all tied in together. So the point that you have

to make then, so then the point that you have to make then is that you have to explain to me how this is a good thing. And call me a racist isn't going to make it work. You have to make the case. No, no, no. No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. whatever. There's that. Yeah. To, it's not about race. I mean, you're stuck with the birthright citizenship thing. Like, I understand.

Look, you can make an argument to me that this too much immigration creates a depression of wages. You can make that argument. But the issue more so, than anything else, is it's a constitutional issue. Yeah, I agree. The Trump administration, regardless of what you feel about it, and regardless of what it may have been used as, because I disagree with you on the travel thing. I think those things weren't part of the United States. And so at the case where it's like, well, we didn't let these people in.

Well, those people weren't technically part of the United States, in that sense. I mean, the United States was fighting for territory going all the way to the West. The thing I'm getting at, though, is it is part of the Constitution, though, whether it's the letter of it or whether it's the intent. I mean, fuck's it. We're stuck with the Second Amendment, right? And it's not like we're building malicious. And yet they still use it under this idea of everybody has a right to bear arms up to a bazooka. to missiles.

Nonsense. Like, just in the same way that I'm stuck with the Second Amendment, which should be tweaked. We're stuck with the citizenship thing. I don't know the citizenship thing,

to be honest. I mean, we ignore the Second Amendment all the time. Every gun control law in the country is unconstitutional. They should all be thrown out and nullified. But to take it

to kind of take this step further. I mean, should I have a missile launcher in my backyard? Why not? If you could afford it, go for it. I should be able to go to Walmart, buy a tank. and you as my neighbor should be perfectly okay with me having a missile launch in my backyard. Listen, I go out there and help you shoot the sucker. Yeah.

Absolutely. Just don't let you just don't let your dog on your lawn. Robbie, I will tell you, most people will not be okay with me doing that. Listen, the vast majority of people are stupid. So listen, I understand the argument that you're making. But it all comes down to at the end of the day is the Constitution a dead document or a living one. I think that's really what. I think it's the biggest.

It's a dead one. It's a dead one. Now, I mean, Alexander Hamilton was really clear. You think the Constitution of the dead document? 100%. Oh, I'm so disagree with it. That's not what the founders voted.

Of course it is. Because that's why we have the ability to go in and amend the Constitution. It has to be able to be changed. It's not wholly writ. I mean, and Ted, I've told you this before. And I'm a creature of the right. I think that the Constitution that we currently have is

woefully it needed to being replaced. Because the world in which it was written, no longer exists. This is not 13 agrarian colonies. This is a transcontinental empire. We've got to move on. But let me just say, I want to get the last word on this, just because I'm going to be a jerk about it.

You're the host. I think, well, co-hap. I think that, you know, it's like, it's totally possible. I'm in favor of carefully controlled borders, which we have not had as well, because you're not a nation state without it. And that, like, we have to deal with the people, who came in under the previous policies, and we have to be humane to them and treat them

with dignity and respect as much as possible. 100% listen. I'm not mass deportations on a massive scale done in a humane manner. Like, for example, if you're here from Guatemala, I don't want to send you to South Sudan. That's not what you're from. If you came here when you were one, you shouldn't be sent back. Okay, we've got to send your ass back, man, woman, and child you're gone. Because there's no back.

There is. You're not from there. You're not from there. Goodbye. All right. You're going back. Tremal and Robbie and Ted. What are your thoughts on transhumanism and neurolink?

Oh, that's super interesting. So it is a very dubious prospect to me to put a microchip in my head that a company that I'm supposed to trust because you're putting it in my head. To put it mildly. Yeah, to put it mildly, right? And yet, it will happen. Like, I guarantee you, because what's going to end up happening is that for few people who get it are going to be for medical stuff. This person is blind. This person can't move a lend.

This person is, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And those people, just in the development of the technology may develop some level of advantages associated with having it. Hell, you may have memory storage. Maybe you have, I don't know, enhancements in some particular. capacity, in which case, it may be advantageous in order to get it. And if it becomes advantageous to get it, it will spread. But beware. I could see athletic implications. But again, by me, beware. Like the moment that you have something in your head like that, what if there's a bug? Like, like, you know, think of perceptual issues where you're thinking, oh my God, a UFO is landing and

I'm being abducted. And really, it's just a bug in the microchip that they implaintly. And play continue your head, right? I don't know, man. That stuff is very, I get it. I don't know if human beings are as flexible as a transhumanist think they are. I believe human beings are flexible. I believe they're flexible slowly. But I think they may run into hard limits in regards to this merger between man and machine and how far people are willing to talk about future shockers in the short term, you know, over spans of time. Who knows what takes place? I think it's satanic. I think it goes back to that old lie.

You say you think it's satanic? I think it's satanic. It's, well, because it goes back to that old lie that, that Satan told Adam and Eve back in the garden. He said, no, eat of this fruit and you shall be as gods. And I think it's really what this is. It's just trying to blend the line between the physical and the metaphysical,

trying to make, here's the problem with human beings, is that we are too proud to everyone. remit, no, corporately, not individually, but corporately, that we don't know what we don't know. And that's the biggest problem of science is that the power that you get isn't earned. But you pick up with what someone did before you without any worker sacrifice on your own. And so you just keep pushing that edge. You keep pushing that edge. And then I think what really where it starts kind of breakdown is we come down to ethics. If we're going to start going through and we're going to start experimenting with this technology,

well, who are going to be the guinea pigs? It's going to be the most vulnerable people in society. It's going to be the really young. It's going to be the old. It's going to be the mentally challenged. And that's the whole issue. Where does progress become abuse? No, no, I get that.

But is it, is that true? I mean, like, the reality of it is, if you're getting, think of it today, let's say petty transhumanism. Somebody goes to get their lips. done, their ass done, their breasts done. They get cheek implants. They get eye implants. Who's paying for that?

That's the rich. That's not random person, you know, who's poor and is barely making ends. It's not covered by insurance. Yeah, for sure. It's not covered by insurance. Yeah. It has been rich, right? So if you're talking about who's getting a neuralink.

Okay, they're probably putting it in chips and dogs and whatever else, chip months. but invariably, insurance isn't paying for them. Those are things that people are going to have to pay out of pocket for. Now, I can be wrong with us. The more extreme cases of the stuff,

especially when you talk about some of the stuff that the Nazis were doing for medicine and everything else. Or the Japanese. The Japanese did in China was so much worse to what the Nazis did.

Yes. The Unit 731 stuff. Yep. And saying that's the problem, right? Is that once you open that box, where does it stop? I would rather keep the box closed. And never, there's a line that you should never, ever, ever cross because once you do,

this is not religious and this is not metaphysical. The changes that they're making are physical. It's not like they teach somebody to be a psych. I do think that we should go a little slower. I think there should be some sort of, I mean, you know, we're a world of beta testers, right? I mean, I think it's like they basically, I mean, literally they just loosen self-driving cars onto the streets of major cities without any, like, they never even had like a fake town like in the middle of Nevada

where they tested them. And it's like, what the fuck? Like, you know, like we, there's certainly there's some kind of, you know, like, hey, let's, let's take a beat and see if we're ready here, you know? Yeah, they just said, fuck it. Let's study this.

Jamal, great question from Ray. Are you ever going to stream your show on Rumble? I used to stream it on a whole. rumble. It just didn't do well. That's going to change. We were talking, Robbie and I were talking with you about that. Let's bang through a couple more of these and then we'll call it an hour. See our card. Well, hello, Jamal, long time no see. You're the person who started to be down the road of seriously looking at geopolitics. I don't know if you should thank you or thank

you or shake my fist at you. It's a joke. A little bit of both. Let's see. Okay. Oh yeah, we can Jamal, wasn't Malik in a hospital commercial on a gurney? I remember seeing an ad to watch fault lines on Rumble way back when. Was he? Then I don't know. What? I don't know.

Did you get diarrhea when you went to India? You know, I don't think I did. I don't think I did. Man, Central Asia, though. I lost 42 pounds. I shot it all out. Did you? No, see, I avoided anything that wasn't.

Yeah, I avoid drinking. Amber saying John said he wasn't quitting deep focus. Let's just say I haven't not heard that from John. That's all I'm going to say that. Which country gave you the worst diarrhea? Central Asia for me, for sure. See, I never got diarrhea. Slightly in Egypt, but that was because I washed my fruit.

But that wasn't bad, though. Yeah, avoid water. Avoid salad. Avoid washing your fruit. Technically, New Orleans is a part of the United States, but it's really a different country. That was it for me. True, true. Robbie, and this will make this one the last one, as a native, y'all euro immigrants have been by far bigger nuisance to this continent than the sovereign nations who existed before the U.S. for tens of thousands of years.

Okay, I'm going to push back just a little bit. First, I am a Native American. My family came here in the 1600s. I was born here. My generations of my people were here. We helped we found in this country. Sorry, there's no such thing as the United States before 1776. So you're wrong there.

Also, when I just point out some things, we brought you the wheel, we brought you the combustive engine, we brought you agriculture, we brought you the airplane, we brought you economics, we brought you electricity, we brought you running water, we brought you medicine, and we brought you a longer life expectancy. So you're welcome. Who did you bring this to? I mean, because it, my grandpa, it was turkey. Well, in this context is about the Indians who were living here before they got conquered.

Right. And got wiped up. So you didn't really bring them anything short of death. Well, in fairness, Mother Nature did most of that for us because she's a vindictive bitch. But they were also giving them like blankets of small pots and all sorts of shit to get rid of them. I guess what is? Hold on. Really bring them anything.

It's not like people came here and it's like, hey, we're going to teach you how to do all this stuff and we're going to bring you all this technology. it was a white level. Hello, local, hello locals. We bring you cool bubbles from Europe. You will enjoy. Heather around, let me show you how to use this. I've heard this a lot. And Jamal, I'm glad that you brought this up

because I'm generally curious about this. Go for it. No, we always hear about the blankets with smallpox. However, before the late 1800s, people didn't know what germs were. There was no idea. Back of the 1700s, the Enlightenments, we were still going with the myasma theory that diseases are spread by bad air.

Yeah. So then how would the Europeans know that if they took infected blankets, that would do something? Because remember, at the time, they were still going on Galen's assumptions that if it was the bad air was making people sick. There were no germs. There was no immune. I mean, there was no study of the immune system because no one had any idea of what the hell the immune system was. They didn't identify germs, but they didn't identify germs, but they didn't. definitely had associate, they were very observant people in many ways more observant than we are.

And, you know, for example, during the Black Death, they observed that people seemed to recover better if they were in a room that was painted red or draped with red curtains. And that sounds ridiculous to us now. It turns out that actually the light treatment with the red spectrum of light does actually help with a lot of illnesses, including, including the plague. And so wasn't Pope Clement and Avignon who had the two big bonfires going on either side of his throne? So I think that like people, so I mean, I think that the smallpox blanket thing may be

slightly overstated or a lot, but I think that basically they knew, but I think they kind of knew like if you, you know, this thing was next to a person who was sick and you give it to some and someone else is next to it they might get sick and one thing also the idea the kudis principle you know yeah and the one thing i do also want to point out and then we'll will will will end because they were going long um con gani bay he was the one he's while he considered the father of germ warfare because when he was besieging kaffa there in the crimea yeah they were they would catapult corpses of plague victims over the walls because they They knew that rotting meat and stuff and made people sick.

They didn't know how. They didn't know mechanics. Right. But the Mongols straight up went full biological warfare. To say that European traders did that, that's a bit far. Well, the Mongols also, I think they may have actually known because they invaded and occupied the Emirates of, well, the Emirates of Samarkand, which was the center of science in the entire world. and they had to, and the, you know, the Tajik's who lived there at the time, they had a pretty, they kind of did know about germs.

Yeah, kind of. I mean, but I guess that's just the whole point that I'm making, though, right? Is that we always hear, oh, those, those damn white people and those, and those blankets. Bitch, please, read about the Mongols, then get back. I mean, look, it was still a wipeout. Do you? Yeah, it's still a genocide. Like, like, even if you take the blankets out, they, I guess my point to you is,

is the people in anywhere or around the globe in any particular population is perfectly fine. It's, you know, whether those people are advancing at the rate of speed that you think they should advance that. That's kind of besides the point. You're not bringing me the wheel. You're not bringing me literacy or whatever the hell they're supposed to be bringing. You're bringing death because you want to take the land. I live 15 miles north of the flight Indian reservation. I guarantee you, the Indians that live there have got schools, they're educated, they've got wheels, they're living a much better

life throughout what their ancestors did. And I submit to you. Because it's 2026, right? Yeah, it's 20, they should have those things. But that's the point that I'm making, though, right? I mean, the whole myth of the noble savage, it's just that it's a myth. So let's just say that the Indians

are here on North America for 7,000 years before Whitey showed up. They still have the wheel. They were still Stone Age people. The point that I'm making is that my ancestors are always villainized as being these genocidal maniacs. Well, the questioner wasn't saying that the questioner was saying that

you guys were more of a nuisance than his people. Nuisance is defined nuisance, right? Well, that's the whole thing, right? And I'm advocating that we did a lot more good than bad. How many people need to die

for that good to take place? I guess that's the road. I mean, because Look, the reality of it is. I have no way. I have no idea. But that's the rug. There's no way to know that had not those people been killed, that technology and everything else would have still progressed.

But they didn't have any way, they didn't have any way of meaningfully, you know, traveling and exchanging information. No, like in Mesoamerica, the Aztecs had these pyramids where they were performing human sacrifices by ripping out people's hearts. You go,

you travel north for four months into, what's down Nebraska, you have people using dog, using dog, Chavois using pittagraphs. So I mean, there was no cross-pollination. That's the point that I'm trying to make here. But there was, well, we know there was, we know there was, there had to be because there was trade across the continent. But some, but I mean, like, for example, like, no, we know that the Romans traded with, with the Persians. We know that the printing press was originally been, vented in China, and then Gutenberg kind of did his own thing. We

We know that there was a, the Eastern Roman Empire became more Persian, became more Eastern as time went on because of the cultural, just the intercourse between those two civilizations. That was made possible because of the horse. The Indians didn't have that. That's the point that they're making here is that they were technologically backwards. And that's the, that's the. So what? I mean, that doesn't mean they were miserable. What does it matter?

So if Donald Trump goes into Iran, murders, I don't know, 30 million. people takes over the country and 200 years later they are you know some kind of space colony from Iran that doesn't make it okay. Just because you can advance technologically by murdering hundreds of thousands of people, et cetera. That doesn't make the murder okay. Yeah, didn't say that. But what I'm saying is that that is the human condition is that whenever one group of people comes in and they're able to dominate, you know, either culturally or militarily or in this case, both, people are going to be people. I mean, conquest is an integral part of the human condition.

That is a statement of fact. And that's the point that I'm trying to make here. If that's the case, then we shouldn't care about Trump. We shouldn't care about the war. But if we're just comparing nuisances. But anyway, guys were over. We're almost 10 minutes over. So we should we should wrap it.

There's obviously a demand for the UNA.N. By the way. Oh, I do, sir. Me too. Guys, it's so fun. Okay, I'm looking forward to seeing you again, both of you tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. Eastern Time. The program is Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. Easter time with myself and Jamal Thomas. And not so occasionally, Robbie West, our producer, we will do another complete Q&A show this coming Wednesday.

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