DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Q&A: Local AI Model, "The Odyssey," Ukraine | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Have a question for Ted and/or co-host Jamarl Thomas? Join the hosts of "DeProgram" for a full hour of nothing but LIVE Q&A! Any topic, any question, goes—it's up to you.We discussed: Building a local AI model for business use, contrasting conventional high costs with practical results, while warning about unconstrained AI dangers and tech elites prioritizing profit and first-mover advantage over ethics, morality, and safety.Discussion of Christopher Nolan’s “The Odyssey,” its mixed-race casting controversy, and critiques of his films including “Inception,” “Interstellar,” “Tenet,” and Batman movies, focusing on pacing, cerebral style, and cultural impact.Favorite national flags (South Korea, Vietnam preferred over the US design) and best local cuisines/travel food experiences, highlighting Uyghur food in Xinjiang, Brazil, Italy, France, and Louisiana.Michigan politics involving Gretchen Whitmer’s popularity decline due to data centers and the Line 5 oil pipeline, plus related polling and DNC talking points around Haley Stevens.Extensive comparison of the Ukraine-Russia conflict versus US actions toward Iran, covering NATO expansion, 2014 Maidan events, neo-Nazi elements, Donbas civil war, Crimea, propaganda, and sovereignty debates.Light personal preferences (ice cream flavors, tea vs. coffee, preferred countries for unlimited-money exile like France, Portugal, Kazakhstan) plus critiques of Hollywood remakes, military merger with Israel as treason, and race-swapped casting in foundational Western stories.Q&A extras are every Monday and Wednesday at 12 noon Eastern time.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.live https://x.com/tedrall https://x.com/JamarlThomas LIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

you are now watching the Q&A, Ask Us Anything, episode of the Deep Program Show with Jed Rawl and Jamarle Thomas for Wednesday, July 29th, 2026. Thanks for joining us. If you are new to this, the way this works is if you had a question, comment, rant, whatever, that you want to give to Jamaral, myself, Robbie, or two of us, three of us, whatever you want to do, or just spot off. just come on to the live stream. We're usually here Mondays and Wednesdays, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern time today, because I got a doctor's appointment, we're going to do this just for 30 minutes, so we're going to go from 12 to 12.30 Eastern. So we'll try to get to all of your questions. Priority is going to go to the paid ones. Those are the Rumble Rants and the Super Chats on YouTube. I'm trying to think about anything else.

I still want to, still basking in the glow of being the number one show. show in the nation on Rumble this morning. Kind of amazing. I hope the money pours in as the fang punk rock song goes, and the money will roll right in. We shall see. We shall see. Anyway, okay.

So, Robbie, you were saying before we went live. I'm doing just, I'm building my own AI models. And it is pretty freaking wild because, you know, the commissional wisdom is that you need $250,000 to do this. And it's just a massive endeavor, which is true if I was trying to build another chat GPT or something, but I'm not. I'm just building a local model for my business. It's basically work as an employee. And it is amazing when you see just how far technology has come, like back from the old TRS 80 days, to where we are now. And you can definitely see how powerful and how dangerous AI is, because if it's not constrained, it can actually do some wild crap.

and I'm not sure that the tech elites that we have running the country right now with the profit race that they have about being first on everything, ethics and morality and even safety be damned. It's really concerning because if you take it, if you take the right shortcuts in order to be number one, it can be bad. It's kind of data's evil twin brother. lore

yeah i don't remember what his name was but i remember he was an asshole that guy's such a good actor too star trek characters star trek actors they often can't get enough work because their roles that are written for them are so intense and so defining that you know casting directors are worried that they've been typecast um okay do we have any uh do

have any questions to answer here any comments uh there's a yeah so J.S. Quilly says, morning, guys. A couple of questions for you. What is your favorite country flag? And have y'all seen The Odyssey? And what did you think? I'll answer first about The Odyssey. I have not seen it yet. But, you know, I intend to. It's sold out in New York well into August. Like every show on like six in the morning to two in the morning. I mean, who's going to the movies? It's six of the morning anyway. But yeah, so I guess I'll see it, but not soon. What is it around this show? I don't understand the buzz around this movie.

Is it just because they mix race the actors? Like they would have a black woman playing Cleopatra or whatever the hell. Helen of Troy. Helen of Troy, thank you. But basically having a black woman played, I mean, black one played, Claypatrick. What's weird is that Christopher Nolan has this reputation of being an amazing otter, right? Like, he's the guy, right? So I'm looking at, like, you know, his best known movies, right?

So Oppenheimer. Not really. Oh, I didn't see Oppenheimer. I was thinking like Tenet or like the other one he did. Oh, what is the dream world? Inception. Inception. I saw Inception probably, this is part of the problem.

I probably saw it like four or five times because I was in Istanbul when the movie came out. And this was at the time when Istanbul still didn't have a lot of air conditioning. And it was a heat wave. And I was like, I just wanted to stay cool. So in the developing world, you go to the movies to stay cool. So I saw it probably five, six, seven times. I also saw it like in Mumbai. And it was like same thing.

Like, I just need to be cool. The movie's really not that good. You didn't think it was good? No, I didn't like it at all. And it's like confusing. The music is annoying as shit. Like, rah! And I felt like, you know, like,

basically like a ship was about to hit me in the harbor. Interstellar is pretty good. I wouldn't say it's superb. Really? I thought interstellar was exceptional. Do you remember Tenet was the big cash grab during COVID? It was like, it was the only movie that came out new. they decided to release it only on streaming because all the theaters were closed.

It was 2020, and they charged 1999 to see it. And I'm like, and it was not worth 1990. It wasn't worth $9.99. No. That movie was fantastic. And Dark Night is like, yeah. See, okay, this is our disagreement here. I don't think he's that good, but you at least you think he's a good director,

so that might be part of it, right? True, but I think he's a cerebral director. Like Batman, for example, going back to the Christopher Nolan Batman. Exceptional case. I mean, Heath Ledger, Batman, I mean, Heath Ledger, Joker is iconic at this point. And even the Batman that he did with that was far more cerebral, far more psychological with Batman as a detective and, you know, a terror to the criminals and all of the other stuff. I don't know. I like him as a director.

Memento, I think. I think there's a lot of people who agree with you and disagree with me. So that's part of it is that people are looking forward to. the same way that they look forward to seeing a Scorsese movie or I look forward to seeing a Verhoeven movie. I'm curious, why didn't you like an stellar? Pardon? Why didn't you like an stellar?

I'm curious about that. I would recommend it to anybody who is just sort of looking for something to stream. It'd be like, oh yeah, no, it's good. It's slow. The pacing is very off. It's unnecessarily draggy. A lot of sci-fi is like that. I mean, hell, I feel that way about 2001.

Space Odyssey. It's slow as shit. But it's very artistic. Like 2001 is very artsy. Yeah. I mean, I don't care for that. The sky and it turns into a spaceship. That's a hell of a changeover, right? I just don't care about shit like that. I mean, you know, I know people do. And good for them. And I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just talking about this is just Ted's

opinion here. So, Robbie, I know you haven't seen the movie yet. So let's answer the other question, favorite flag. America's is way low because the design's terrible just for that reason alone. It's off balance. It's busy. It's got it's it just doesn't it's it's a shitty flag really. I like South Korea's flag. I don't really have a favorite flag.

I love North Korea's flag better to me. I mean, understand the significance and the symbolism of you know, but I don't really have a favorite per se like meaning I don't look at a flag and think wow that's a fantastic flag. I would say I got to say I like Vietnam's flag. like. Okay. With the yellow star with the red, the red background, the red field. Amazing. Anyway, all right, let's keep going here.

We only have half an hour. Okay, morning, guys. Well, okay, this afternoon technically. Couple questions for y'all. What's your favorite? Oh, wait, we already have, did this. What am I doing? If you so, what countries have the best local food and cuisine most unusual?

Brazil. Louisiana. Oh, you go with Louisiana. The food of Brazil was fantastic. Never been. Also, okay, biggest hidden secret, though, Xinjiang in Western China. So also Uighur, I mean, it's also known it. It's just basically it's Uighur food.

Okay, the Uighur food here in New York anyway, kind of like, eh, but over there, holy shit, I mean, it's so good, it's so spicy, it's so, it's so yummy. I mean, every day I wish a really good, authentic Uyghur, Shenzhenine's restaurant would open to New York. Yeah. I love Indian food, too, but... By the way, Italy was good, too. Italy's great.

Yeah, you think of Iran. Amazing food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, those three. I mean, Brazil. Come on, you got to have France in there. Gotta. Yeah.

And that's why my biggest weakness is that I have just simply, I've not had the opportunity to travel as much as you'll have, and I wish that I have. Food's one of the real treats of travel, for sure. Okay, so spooky fog. wanted to connect to you about Whitmer being popular in Michigan. She's hated now because of the data centers and line five. I don't know what line five is, but I don't know what that is.

But the DNC talking point that we're getting in the media is, you know, Haley Stevens has to win because she's got big Gretsch on her side. Big Gretch is like a kingmaker in Michigan, and that's going to determine everything. So if this person's correct, this could be overblown. But the polls, on the other hand, are not moving in Syed's direction. So up to this point, he has not made gains even after the debate. You know, there's been no polling since then, so we don't know. Internal tracking polls, but the campaigns are holding those close to the best.

So line 5 is a 645-mile oil pipeline that transports of basically half a million. barrels of crude oil natural gas daily from superior wisconsin to sarta ontario got you yeah i i could see that being unpopular um but the same lines have to roll have to go somewhere right i mean what that's what's going to say the same people complained about the pipeline would also complain about oil prices going up yeah you got to pick one true um all right um okay this is a good question mohammed Why are you guys critical of Ukraine who are defending themselves from an invasion and label their attacks on Russia as terror attacks, but literally adopt this exact opposite stance for Iran? Those are radically different things. Meaning, to ask that question has to accept this premise that Iran was just standing there and Russia just hit him for no reason, which is not really true.

I mean, going all the way back to 2008, Russia had been complaining about. about the U.S. using Georgia and Ukraine effectively for their U.S. aspirations of expanding NATO. This was a no-no. This was a no-no, even going back when the fall of the Soviet Union, where the U.S. was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we won't move an inch to the east. They moved to the border, and then they knocked over the government of Ukraine. I don't mean to get active on this. But this was an argument I've had with my ex on more than one occasion where it was deeply annoying to me because I knew she knew. dick about this subject and yet we'll still take this kind of nonsense answer from Google. Look, the reality of it is this was not a situation where independent Ukraine was acting on its own and making its own democratic decisions. This was a Ukraine that was presented with

an agreement from the standpoint of a trade deal by Europe that was bad for Ukraine, in which case, Porchenko chose not to do it. That Porchako, Yanukovych, chose not to do it. At the point where the Russians also had a deal that would have been far better off of Ukraine, when Yanukovych says, okay, we'll pause this. Then you get the overthrow of the government of Ukraine with Victoria Newly not there selling cookies and with a text message or with an audio call between her and I believe Jeffrey Pryant, basically saying,

fuck the EU, we're going to midwipe this thing and basically we're going to overthrow this government and the people who she wanted to put in were put in, not her, but the U.S. government wanted to put in, were the ones that were ultimately put in. I'm saying, this is not Russia, just golly G. wanting to take over all of Europe. This is the U.S. knocking over a democratic government, installing a bunch of Nazis as a tip of the spear for that, and then having troops on the border

like they were going to invade Dumbass. This is not, meaning these are two radically different things. The United States attacked Iran when Iran wasn't doing anything to the United States, meaning it wasn't like Iran was a threat to the U.S. It wasn't that. We just attacked. And this is after killing the Supreme Leader, after killing Soleimani, and for that matter, attacking them during negotiations. This is not what happened here. In fact, this could have been over with the negotiations that were taking place to Istanbul because apparently they had a deal in place by pretty much everybody who was there agreed with such with ultimately Boris Johnson representing the Western Inter saying, cut it out. You're not going to get security guarantees from us. Just keep fighting.

We'll help you win the war when that wasn't the case. My point is, these are two radically different situations. Also, I mean, Iran, not Iran, Ukraine outlawed the Russian language. They outlawed Russian literature. They basically outlawed the Russian Ukrainian church, which is right. bombing, Ukraine. Yeah, I mean, it is a, the word fascist has stolen a lot here in the United States. But, I mean, Ukraine is a fascist state.

I mean, they have Bandera as a national hero. He's on stamps. There's streets named after him. Like, how many Hitler streets are there in Germany? You know, it's like that. I mean, it's literally the only country in the world that has any of its troops wearing Nazi insignia with permission. Right? I mean, yeah, Pete Eggstaff has it tattooed on his body, but it's not on his uniform.

So, I mean, look, I think the genius of the Victoria Newlands and the Obama, assholes back in 2014 was that they managed to, they set it up to make Russia look like the bad guy to people who weren't paying close attention. It's like we're going to make, we're going to set it up, we're going to take them over, we're going to make it look, we're going to create like an internal conflict. This is a trap. It's like Brzynski in Afghanistan in 1979. We're going to put them in an impossible predicament where they have.

have to intervene because if they don't, they, you know, we own their, we own them. And we have NATO right on their most fragile, their most sensitive border, the border through which Nazis came through, you know, and killed 28 million of their citizens not very long ago. Or, you know, but we're going to make them look like the innocent victims here. And it worked. I mean, you know, for people who weren't, you don't pay close attention, it just looks, Russia invaded Ukraine. But, you know, that ignores the civil conflict that was happening in the Donbos, the breakaway republics, the situation with Crimea, which was predominantly Russian, breaking away through a plebiscite that by all accounts, according to international observers, was free and fair. And, you know, I mean, the fact is basically, what is this really about? This is about, does Russia have the right to have, you know, countries around it, or just put it this way, be.

have friendly relations with them. Now, maybe not. Maybe they don't have a legal right to it, but they have like a practical right to it in the same way that the U.S. has a practical right not to have hostile enemy nations on its own borders. It wouldn't tolerate it, right? And so just for its internal security. So is Ukraine a sovereign state that got invaded?

Yes, but is it really sovereign? No, because it was the puppet of Washington. It's, you know, I mean, you have to view, view this from the Russian point of view, where it's like, there you are, you have great relations with Ukraine in 2014. You know, the president of Ukraine returns your phone calls. You have great trading relations. You have everything is fine. And then that guy is overthrown by the United States,

and they install a puppet with a bunch of neo-Nazis helping out, and the CIA helping out, and the U.S. is picking their cabinet members, and then they go to war against the ethnic Russian minority in the eastern part of the country. I mean, you know, it's like what are they supposed to do? Nothing. So it's kind of like, this was our app. I mean, you really could. I would say Russia's big mistake probably was not invading sooner in order to say we are defending our ally

who was overthrown in a fascist coup. Putin was too patient. He waited eight years. He probably should have gone in in 2015. I think you would agree with you. He's too cautious. I think he would agree. He's too cautious.

Even now he's too cautious. Well, I mean, you know, what's funny about that, Putin responded to that in speech. So apparently a soldier in a speech that he recently gave said that they wanted progress to take place faster on the battlefield. And Putin made the point of saying, yes, so do I. But then also add the caveat that I'm trying to cut down on the number of lives that are lost from the Russian side in the war.

Because you can imagine from the Russian point of view, that would be somewhat destabilizing if you have these massive casualties that the West is claiming, you know, a million Russian men have died in a war. No, I don't think so. Not in the way that they're prosecuted in the war. It's certainly not in the way that the war is being executed now. Look, that question blows my mind. That question blows my mind.

Everything you guys said. I think it's a good question, though, because a lot of people, come on, the propaganda, is a tsunami. I mean, people are, the fact that anybody agrees with us is a miracle. I don't think it's a miracle, but, but I guess my thought is, it's like Ukraine was killing its own people at one point. Nobody knew because it happened with a lot of Ukraine and Americans don't follow news from far away. We don't pay attention to it. They killed 40,000 of their own people. Mind you, they were Russian speaking or Russian ethnic Russian Ukrainians, but at somewhere along the way, Eastern Ukraine ceased to be Ukraine and ended up being Russia from the standpoint of the way that the media

talked about the stuff. They effectively ignored the fact that Ukraine was doing this. No, it's wild. I mean, yeah, you're right. If you weren't paying close attention, you could just say, oh, those dastardly Russians are up to this again. And we're completely lubed up to hate the Russians because of the Cold War. True. And they went with it also. Not to mention the Russia gate stuff. And the Russians didn't, they didn't, and they didn't propagandize, correct. Exactly. I'm not sure, you know, American public opinion was ever that terribly important to Vladimir Putin and maybe never will be, and maybe it shouldn't be. But he clearly didn't play to it. He didn't, because if he did, he would have been like, you know, Ukraine, the legitimate government has been overthrown by the CIA. You know, we are going to defend the legitimate government of Ukraine. And that should have kept saying that. Because once, because the problem is by the time Zelensky rolls around, you're now three presidents in. Now there's been that, you know, it's a new government. It's a new post-revolutionary, post-counter-revolutionary regime. You know, you've had not one president replaced, but not two, but three.

You know, nobody's, it's like for you and me, this is not a legitimate regime. Right. And, and certainly criminalizing other parties. And they certainly haven't acted like legitimate since the beginning of the war by ban it by being so brutal and authoritarian canceling all their elections, martial law, you know, yeah, yeah. But they wouldn't retain power without doing those things. I mean, meaning they, they, because Lundsky was really unpopular in Ukraine. Yeah, they were popular. I mean, keep in mind when Zelensky got in. Zilinski got in under this idea that we're not going to have a war, kind of like Trump. We're not going to have a war. We need to work with the Russians and all this other stuff, meaning the overwhelming majority of the population voted for

He was like Trump. He was a weirdo outsider actor. And a peace candidate. Yeah. Supposedly. You know, leading, what is it? People of the Servants Party, a Servant of the People Party. In the same way he did on the television show. Named after his TV show, yeah.

Yeah, which is just wild. Distinguished Turtle. It would be like Trump called it the brand on the Apprentice Party ticket. Yeah. Distinguished Turtle. Ted, what's it going to take to get you to play Civilization Six with Robbie and J.D? J.T., we got play again. People ask if they want to see more.

That's a good question, Ted. We'll talk about it. Do I have to download it or how does that work? You have to download it. It's basically you go on Steam, download it, and at that point we can play online. Okay, I'm not even, I don't know what a steam is. I'll have to figure that out. Okay.

All right, then me and club, thank you so much for the $20. Chocolate or vanilla ice cream, tea or coffee, and if you had limited money, but had to be trapped in one country, where? Okay, vanilla, although I prefer chocolate. I mean, I prefer coffee. Definitely, if I never see a cup of tea again the rest of my life, that's fine. Coffee only for me. And if you had unlimited money, it had to be trapped in one country, where?

Got to go France. The food. Unlimited money? Yeah. Well, vanilla ice cream. I don't like chocolate ice cream. Tea or coffee, either one. I'm partial to both and fluctuate between the two.

And as for country, oh, man, unlimited money. See, I really enjoyed Portugal. No bullshit. Like, Lisbon, one of my favorite countries. It's great. Portugal's great. Bobby? Chocolate ice cream.

I am a coffee addict. And for the country, I've never been to either one. So I'm just talking about ignorance and stuff that I've seen online in reading. I would either pick either China or Kazakhstan. China's a good choice. And I think if I had to pick between one or the other,

I'd have to go to Kazakhstan because it's big, it's wide open, it's empty, there's mountains, I can shoot all the guns I want to. And that's true. They have Baptist churches there.

And I have to go to Kazakhstan. I'd visit you in capital of San, Robbie. Me too. Americans can get a lot of them. I think. I mean, I would buy myself a ranch. and I would just I was homestead

and remind you a lot of Montana would it see I've never been in a conflict fan is that what it's what is it I mean I would imagine it's like I mean it's like like Montana it's huge it's grasslands you know step big mountains like Montana

like really interesting cool wildlife very dramatic weather you know it's not that hot in the summer but man the winter is I'm in Montana. I'm not afraid of the winners. Yeah. Just remember during the Soviet era,

they used to send the people who were too ornery to be controlled in Siberian gulags to Kazakhstan to straighten them out. Did they? Then I would fit right in because I am constantly told how contrarian and ornery I am. Oh, that's why. Okay. Stephen Ward, Jr., came to you. to the show because of John wasn't 100% sure I'd keep watching after his departure,

kept watching and am a fan of T-Program and TMI, now refuse to watch any of John's new content. Don't trust him now. Oh, wow. Wow. A militant watcher. Well, we like our militant watchers. Thank you very much. Exile the Knights of Malta. Now, I have an important question. What's better? Homemade, vanilla, classic vanilla, vanilla, vanilla bean, or French vanilla? homemade vanilla for me. Vanilla bean.

All right. RIP Michael Parenti. Hey guys, big fan of the show. What do you think has to be done to get even semi-mainstream media shows, movies, etc. Back to creative original content instead of remake, slop. I don't think it can be done because of corporate. It's the corporatization of everything. Everything's looking for short-term profits.

Just, you know, it's, the wildness of, like, say, you know, the movie studios in the 70s was because it was, they were independently owned. And, you know, once Columbia becomes part of Sony and so on, I think it's everything, I mean, it's always product, but it becomes product, you know. Yeah. You need a new medium. It's new medium. It's new stuff. Longhorn Clemens, Ted, do you resent John personally? Let me put it this way.

The best way that, I don't know, resent, I don't know how, you know, there's a lot of ways to read that, I wouldn't trade lives with him ever. So in that sense, not at all. I kind of feel sorry for him to tell you the truth. We've talked about that off air. And, you know, I disapprove of what he did. We've talked about it. How do we feel about the three of the three of the three of the, feel about the vote to merge militaries with Israel. It's treason and the lawmakers have signed it should be hung by the neck till dead. It's bad for national security. So it's the definition of treason. I agree with the right. It is the definition of trance and they're an ally. Yeah, I agree with Robbie. I agree with Robbie on this. Robbie's right. I agree. JT. if you went to the moon for the first time in ages, John Park wants to know, what would you say on the moon?

What would I say? Yeah, what would you say? Like one small stuff. And Robbie, when you become president of the new Communist Party of the U.S., who will be your vice president? J.T., you go first. What would I say on the moon? I'm on the goddamn moon.

No, it would need to be something like that. I'm on the fucking moon. And they would have to carry it, right? They would have to carry it. No, you could forget the immortal words of, Astronaut Thomas. He says, quote, I'm on the fucking moon. Look, mob.

Look, ma'am. You know, it's while I wouldn't want to go to the dark side of the moon. Because that's basically, I'm going to find the beautiful basis. Like, it's like I'm here for the remote viewing thing to see whether or not. Is it like almost just like a few degrees above absolute zero over there? Like, it's really hard. But you got the spacesuit on right around your buggy. It's, it's.

And Robbie, who will. when you're the Kami King, who will be your number two? So when I get elected president, I'm one of shocks of people. I would make Jamarillo Thomas my VP. Thank you, Robin. Very serious. Thank you, Rod. And Ted Rawl would be my press secretary.

And what his job would be, would be to always tell the truth to the people in the newsroom. And as the reporters don't like it, they can go fuck themselves. I like it. Now, you know what that means. right, that at some inevitably, there will be a point where what you want to put out will be contrary to what's true. This is all governments, like even the best of governments, run into this thing of, like, I'll tell you this, when John F. Kennedy exposed to the media that, he was like, look, we don't have the ability to get in space. The Russians have a head start on us.

I was shocked by that. Because usually that's not the truth that we would get. Oh, we're in power. We have all the missiles in the world. We have more missiles than we ever need for any. We have more missiles than any country in the world. Okay, this is while the media is reporting that the United States is running out of missiles, right? What happens when inevitably, Robbie needs something put out that is not entirely true, but you dictate it to Ted Raw that he's always supposed to tell the truth.

But here's the beautiful thing. Our government lies so much they would expect the lie. So by me telling the truth, no one would expect it. No one would believe it. No one would believe it. By the way, that's it. I would also be Jones. I would hate that job.

I would Jones to for Secretary of State. I really think I'm cut out to be a diplomat. Well, then Manila could be the press secretary. Yeah, she's, yeah. It should always be like a cute girl. And you speak French. French is the language of diplomacy. It used to be, yeah.

English is now. Okay, a few more. And then I've got to bail. So, okay, if you so, thanks for the dollar. I will go to Montana and raise rabbits. Guess the movie? Oh, I know. Hunt for October.

That's correct. T2123. Have you seen the cop shooting in Wisconsin? Really? Another? I'm not. No. All right, I'll check it out. Obviously, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

By the way, are we going to watch the Odyssey? I have not watched the movie. I haven't seen it. I haven't even paid attention to it. I mean, I kind of feel like, it's one of those things, like I would love to see this in three months if it's still in theaters or whatever. streaming is fine.

I don't think it's going to be that big a deal. The reasons I've read are that all the complexity of Odysse's character is gone. Yeah, I don't get it. And I don't like the cross. Yeah. How do you guys feel about the casting thing? It's a disaster.

Yeah, I'm not going to see it. Yeah, I'm not going to casting stuff like this. Like, if I don't want a black Batman. I would just prefer Batman to be Bruce Wayne and the character is what the character is. I don't care about running. edges. So if you choose a black woman for Peru or black little girl for Peru and Hunger Games, okay, I don't really care. But main characters, yeah, I'm not a big fan of flipping. Well,

I mean, Homer's writings are probably second only to the Bible when it comes to foundational documents of Western civilization. You can put Aristotle up there, Socrates to an extent. Homer's right up there. I mean, it's foundational. And so when you do this, you are attacking the very foundation. of Western classical civilization. There's a right way to wrong way to do this. If you want to celebrate black empowerment, what the hell is there? Ted, you might know.

There was an Ethiopian queen. She defeated a Roman legion. Augustus had to make peace with her, gave her a statue of himself, and she had entombed under the stairs. That way, whenever her subjects came up to come and pay tribute to her, they had to walk on the most powerful man in the world at the time. I can't think for a name. I'm getting a brain part. That's how you do it. Yeah.

You don't just if you don't hijack someone else's history. That's that's low, cheap, then it's lazy hijacking of it better on like. I mean like by the way I feel this way for Star Trek too. So I you know or even the way they did Star Wars the way they did Luke Skywalker where he's throwing away his lightsaber. It's like why? So you put in a Molly Sue character and then you trash Skywalker. I'm not even a big Star Wars. I'm not even a big Star Wars. fan and I felt they were paying on that. Yeah, it's weird. It's like, don't do it. You don't need to do it. I'm very sorry to have to do this, but I'm enjoying the chat, but I've got to go try to get this thing removed from my fucking side of my head. All right, so I'm out of here.

Want me to do it, Ted? I can come over. I got to. I got you. Believe me, that would probably be a lot faster and cheaper, you know what I'm going to be doing. Yeah. All right, thanks so much for tuning in, guys. See you tomorrow, regular time. De-programm. Eastern Time. We will see you then. Bye.