DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Russian Troops Press Forward as Ukraine Comes Apart: Stanislav Krapivnik Interview

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

The co-hosts of "DeProgram," Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, bring you up to speed on the latest in the Russo-Ukrainian War through their interview with Stanislav Krapivnik. Russia launched one of its largest ballistic missile attacks on Kyiv since the invasion began, killing at least one person, injuring over a dozen, and damaging civilian infrastructure. A Russian strike destroyed a disability rehabilitation center in Sumy, killing one disabled man and targeting a clearly non-military facility providing support to vulnerable residents. Ukraine responded with large-scale drone strikes on Russian oil depots, logistics sites, and Black Sea vessels while facing deadly Russian attacks on merchant ships near Odesa and domestic protests over defense leadership changes. Stanislav Krapivnik (also known as Stas Krapivnik) is a Russian-born military-political analyst, consultant, and commentator. Born in Lugansk (Luhansk) during Soviet times, he emigrated to the United States as a child with his family. He served as an officer in the U.S. Army but became disillusioned with U.S. military actions, particularly in the former Yugoslavia, and eventually left the service. He returned to Russia and built a career in supply chain management and procurement, working in roles such as director of supply chain in the oil-gas services and EPC (engineering, procurement, and construction) sectors, including stints with major firms like Halliburton. Today, Krapivnik works as an independent contractor and expert on military affairs, NATO, U.S. policy, history, economics, and supply chains. He frequently appears on Russian and international media outlets, podcasts, and TV programs, offering analysis informed by his unique background as a former U.S. serviceman now based in Russia. His commentary often focuses on geopolitical tensions, the dynamics of the conflict in Ukraine, and broader strategic issues involving Russia and the West. He also maintains a Substack and contributes as a part-time journalist. LIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShow https://x.com/tedrall https://x.com/JamarlThomas #tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

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That's C-A-R-I-L-H-A.com, Karloha. Sleeping Better starts here. Three, two, one. Hello, you're watching Deep Program with Ted Rall and Jamarlemus. Today, we're checking in on the latest from the Russo-Ukrainian conflict. There's been a lot of recent developments that everybody's following. It seems like there's a lot of conflicting reporting. So in order to clarify things a little bit, we're bringing in Stenslav Krapivnik.

My apologies, if I'm not pronouncing your name correctly. He's a Russian-born military. Is that correct? Close, close, Koviv. Oh, if you're under the Russian process, Krapivnik. Okay. He's a Russian-born military political analyst, former U.S. servicemen now based in Russia and geopolitical analyst.

He does a substack. He's a part-time journalist. He wears a lot of hats, has worn a lot of hats. And we can think of anyone better to talk to than him. So joining us from Russia, thanks for joining D. Program. Thank you. Yeah, I'm the poster child for the career you start with us. I probably think the hundred you'll be doing halfway through or like for anywhere else.

That was certainly the case for me, Tim. Yeah. I'm just so proud about blogs right now. So, Stan, I was wondering if you could just bring us up to speed here in the United States. Obviously, we're getting a very pro-Ukraine, you know, narrative in the media. I mean, it's sort of following up what's been going on for the entire length of the war. And before that, where basically, you know, Russia is at fault. and is losing consistently.

Now it's like we're being told, well, now they're really actually losing, but there's been a lot of exchanges back and forth. Zelensky's government seems to be in facing somewhat of a crisis with domestic protests there. Can you tell us what's actually going on as far as you know? Yeah, no problem. One thing, it's Stoss, not Stam. Everybody.

Stas, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So, yeah, I. I put out a video on my YouTube channel two days ago about the total fuel apocalypse. You know, Russia is absolutely dead in the water. Everything's collapsed. That's why I was able to drive 1,200 kilometers down.

So, yeah, it kind of cuts right through that western BS. Look, is it harder with fuel? Yeah, it is. Is it any kind of catastrophe? No. And it's gotten much better the last three weeks. weeks the last time I drove up and down this area when I went to the front line. Well, they go to the front lines this time.

They wouldn't allow us there because what is going on is you've got the Thiel's volunteer terrorist drones flying around on autopilot. And those drones are programmed to go after military equipment for the first 80% of there or something that looks like military equipment for the first 80% of their battery life. And the last 20% of battery life, they're just looking for anything. moves. So they have managed to kill quite a few civilians by hitting their cars. Including today, there was a motorcyclist that was killed. I mean, last month they went after a 10 and 11 and a 12 year old or a bicycle.

I killed them. This is what you're dealing with. Palantir is a terrorist organization. Deal is a terrorist. That's as flat as you could say it. And the U.S. government is using a terrorist organization that targets civilians from murder. And that's part of the U.S. government's policies. That Ukraine does it. Ukraine is just a proxy of the U.S. government. So of course, there's no

big surprise at that. I haven't said that. You know, you get on the city, first of all, it's such a big lock of fuel that I think the traffic jams have got like five minutes shorter.

Look up every the traffic jams that were there are still there. You get out of the city, you get out of Moscow. I'll say probably, you know, three weeks ago was one in four gas stations. Had a few. Now I think it's one and two. Yeah, sure, you may have to wait a bit. But most of these lines, but there's another thing this too is this is the tourist season.

So there's millions of people who have had in Salad for vacation. So you always have some amount of lines just because. and the mom and pops run out of fuel just because there's always this mass migration. Now, I haven't said that, you know, I packed in an extra three hours on a trip just in case in my plan, just in case the fuel lines.

And I'm just in case, yeah, I didn't let my tank go lower than three quarters. So every time I got a quarter, I just re-tapped it off. So I probably stopped off a lot more than I would have on a normal situation. But overall, that wasn't a big problem of finding fuel. Lines, for the most part, you know, you may have had the per pump, maybe like five cars on average per pump.

So you're not talking giant lines. So, yeah, we got down there. You can see the videos. I did the videos we're driving down. The other thing that they're now a story of their telling everyone is, that the crops are rotting in the fields because there's no diesel, which is why Russia is not exporting diesel. Well, except that Russia never exports diesel of this time or year to begin with.

Starting in April and running through September, Russia doesn't export diesel because it all goes either to internal trucking or primarily goes to agriculture. And since Russia is such a giant country, in the south, they'll start to planting, season at the end of March. In the far north, I think it, by the way, in the south, they give two harvests, at least, out of most of these fields. And in the far north, the planting season starts around mid-May, late May. They get one season now.

But maybe it's intense because there are a lot of daylight, very short nights. But because a big difference, Russia doesn't export diesel during the warm months. they're almost mainly for our culture. And in my videos, and in that video, you'll see harvestered, you know, combines going down, collecting the first harvest of

wheat, which is in, and sunflowers, which is in. There'll be, uh, the first, uh, I'm going to say, you can see on the videos, you can see the combines working, uh, and the, uh, the cross being brought in. So the people will, uh,

that count on Russia to feed. them because Russia feeds the third of the world, they're not going to go hungry. As much as Europe is probably crying right now, you know, but big chunks of Africa and Asia are not going to go hungry. I mean, just

to understand, Egypt is alive because of Russian grain. Egypt is one of the biggest purchasers of Russian grain, and not only. A lot of sub-Saharan Africa buys up Russian grain, Southeast Asia, and Russia also exports

a rice, not corn. Corn, it makes just about enough for itself, but it's not a big, as bigger product is in the U.S. But rice, it exports, it's a huge rice producer, wheat, buckwheat, you know, all the different grains, basically, sugar beets, so it feeds, and that's not counting, you know, meat, chicken, fish, and so on. So. Gotcha. So, Jamal, you want to ask about the strikes. Yeah. So has Russia, is it fair to say?

Because there's been a lot of pressure from the standpoint of the public saying they want Putin to be more Russia or basically prosecute the war. People on my channel and even people on this channel. To make that point, yeah, very clear, right? Do you think that this is, obviously, there was a wild berets, attacked, basically at the Wildberries was kind of like an Amazon warehouse, basically a soft target. It wasn't a military target. The Kiev effectively hit and they grabbed this mass explosion out of it. Immediately, almost immediately after overnight, we got what is being called the largest

missile strike point here. We're about 50 or more missiles, including hygriscience, effectively leveled various elements in warehouses in Kiev. is this an uptick? Meaning, are we looking at Russia prosecuting this war, that much more, whether it's Modesa, or for that matter, whether it's the warehouses in Kiev? Have we, is something different?

Now, the strikes on the warehouses in the Wildberries' warehouses, today's strikes aren't a retaliation for that. But these strikes get planned well in the head of time. So I doubt that there's a retaliation. Now, haven't said that. considering the richest woman in the world just had two of her warehouses taken out.

Even if the Russian government doesn't want to hear the people who are screaming burn, you know, strike the Europeans now manufacturers and go ahead and escalate. The government's going to be much harder to ignore when some of the richest people in the world go, you know,

maybe it's time to burn the Italian factories and the German factories, the British factories. Maybe it's time to really take the war home to. the Europeans and let them feel a little pain. And I'm hoping that that's going to be hurt. You know, that's the only way to sober the Europeans up is to make them run around and scream and terror when things go boom. Just to understand Russians, by the way, you know, laying on the beach and there's sirens.

There's air raid sirens because there's drones incoming. Nobody moves. Everybody keeps laying on the beach and going to the beach. drones fly by anti-aircraft systems kick in you can hear a gunfire taking off

the civilians aren't running this is Russians you really can't phase Russians well yeah you remember when the Islamic jihadists of the Muslim Brotherhood had a little revolution

in Egypt and took over with all the civil war going on well all the Americans and Europeans ran away from those Egyptian resorts The Russians stayed. Sherman Sheikh was one of those. The Russian tourists just stayed there.

And you know, damn, the fighting's out there. Don't come in here. And the Islamics, you could have figured out that's probably not worth going in there because those Russians will start fighting back. So we'll just ignore them and go ahead and take over. And then they just let everybody fly away. It's just easier that way.

That's screw. This is, I mean, the most stark example I can bring you is Gorlovka. The pre-war population of Worldikov's 300, I've been in Gorlika multiple times. I've been down the road of death, which is the western edge of Gorlifka, burnout cars lower from Drone.

I've been at a bombed, I did a report at a bombed market. Thankfully, just had not opened yet. And the only victims were the people that were setting up shop. One guy's court must have laying behind me. Nobody's coming in to pick them up while they're still artillery duel going back and forth.

You walk around, you look at these apartment buildings and they've been bombed, but they haven't been bombed or artillery. They get bombed with FPV drones. So what the Ukrainians will do is they'll fly up one of these FPV drones to the windows, look around, see if they see people in there, and then they slammed the drone in and blow up the apartment. They try to maximize civilian deaths.

Gorlifka hasn't had water in 12 years because the Ukrainians keep hitting the stations. They use anti-arm armor for bunker bus. artillery rounds early on to destroy the water mains. Every time it gets repaired, they'll shoot it, they'll shoot up their rescue crews. So the pre-war population of Gorliffeco is $380,000. The present population of Gorliff goes $320,000. People just look at and go, screw you, this is our land. We're not going anywhere.

You can come in here and you can try to kill us off, but we're not going. That's the Russian mentality. So, do you think? Unlike in Europe, we're... Yes and no. And it's essence, the central and eastern Ukrainians are Russians,

and they are Russians. The Western Ukrainians were once Russians. I mean, that was Russian territory. Galizia was Russian territory until about the 1400s. And for that, the Poles were able to grab it, then the Hungarians and their Germans, and it's just an eyegro.

So we're not going to count that. But the fact is, the central eastern Ukrainians are Russians. They've been Ukrainianized by the communists back in the 1920s. Huge mistake. Stalin stopped that Lenin Trotskyite idiocy back in about 33, 34, when they figured out they just created a bunch of want to be Nazis. That was not a very good policy to follow. But, you know, we're still dealing with that little present

that Lenin left us. Like I said, Stalin was smart enough to go and look at it and go, no, we're not going to do the same. But the damage is already done. Let me figure if you want to go, particularly in Yandex, if you do it in Russian, you write in Ukrainization 1920s and hit images, and you'll get tons of these scans of newspaper articles from the 1920s from the Soviets, It's proclaiming the triumph of Ukrainianization and forcing people to learn Ukrainian. There were riots. There were riots in Kiev when they were told, oh, you're not Russians, you're Ukrainians.

You have to learn Ukrainian. We're what? What the hell is a Ukrainian, number one? And why the hell do we have to learn Galicia? That's not our language. They were quite literally riots from that that the Bolsheviks put down. So they were creating this new nationalities, divide and rule, basically is what they were doing. So that's why the fight is so hard because we're basically fighting ourselves.

But there is a difference too because this Galician attitude has also come in that's understood as Maya Hatas Kraya. My hut is at the edge. The whole village can burn and I don't give a damn until it gets to me. Then I give a damn. And that's a big mentality of why Ukraine is always going to be a failed state. Russia went through the same crap Ukraine and went through in the 90s, got off at Tsars. wash the shit and the mud off and started building a massive nation.

Ukraine just kept wallering like pigs and shit. And I mean, just to understand that by the numbers, Ukraine left the Soviet Union with an economy the size in 1991, with an economy the size, industrial economy and scientific economy the size of France. Zero debt, because Russia took all the debt of the Soviet Union onto itself, as the inherited nation. Ukraine, that was Ukraine in 1991. In 2021,

Ukraine was compared to Uganda. At which point, the president of Uganda came out, said, don't you dare compare us to these people. We live much better than they do. So, I mean, this is, you're going to, the amount of just pillaging of industry is, is incredible. Everything was sold off multiple times sometimes.

It's like Trump's deal on, on rare earth's resources. And those those mines have been sold, I think, three or four times at this point. It's like a property. Who else wants to buy it? I'm sure we're selling it again. No problem. That's Ukraine.

Ukraine is a cesspool of corruption. It's a cesspool of Satanism, quite literally. It's a cesspool of just all the worst aspects of modern culture that you can throw in there. it's just that's what it is it's uh it's absorbed everything and you know if you're building society

whose only uh foundation is we're not we're anti-russian well that's you know by the way they also hate the Poles and they hate the Hungarians and they hate the Romanians and they hate each other depending on what area they come from when that's the foundation of your society

you're not going to have a successful society you know You've got to have something a little more enlightening. What do you bring to your society? We just hate everybody. Well, not equally. Certainly we hate even more than other people. But it doesn't work.

But their poor instinct, they are Russians, which, by the way, is something I've been talking about. Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are a very unique anomaly. If you listen to them talk, it's a very interesting anomaly. of self-hatred. Okay, so different from, quickly,

nationalists and an ultra-nationalist. The nationalist wakes up and goes, you know, I want every kid in the world to wake up and want to live in my country and be like us. That's a nationalist. Ultrationalist wakes up in the world and goes, everybody's scum, except for us,

we're in the superior genetics, and I hope they all just bugger off. That's the ultra-nationals. Well, the Ukrainians are an interesting bunch of ultra-nationalists because they actually hate their own race. if you listen to their ultra-nationalists, because at their core,

they know they're Russians, and they hate Russians. So they hate themselves. And you listen to these guys, like there's a professor from, was it, Kiev Institute. They're talking about,

when they're talking about bringing 40,000, you know, 40,000 peacekeepers from the European Union. And quite literally, these guys are talking, boy, they're fucking in Russian, too. It just went on. Like, you know, we're going to get 40,000 men of better genetic quality. And they can all get about a, they can breed the women, and they can get like 100,000 Ukrainian women pregnant.

And the next generation is going to be a better quality, genetically better quality. And you realize indeed, and this is just one example, there's a lot of, so you're looking at ultra-nationalists who despite their own genetics, who hate themselves, they want to breed their people. there's something different. Now they're being Indians and Pakistanis. They're saying the same thing. Because, you know, they're bringing him as workers. This is unique. There's something, the only instance in the world where the ultra-natural is supposed to

breed something out of his people, there's something different because he hates his own bloods so badly. So this is, but this is a society that you have in Ukraine. It's an insane aside. Quite literally. And by the way, but what's going on on the front lines,

just to go down real quick because if you listen to the West Western media again Ukraine is a role in the Russians back they're somewhere south of Moscow everybody's digging tank trenches tank ditches getting ready to defend Moscow it's Barbaros all over again

and then there's reality so since the end of last year to be it to this half of this year the Russian military has moved about 30 kilometers westward. And everyone would say, oh, that's not much. Well, when you consider that this is the most fortified territories in the world, the Donbos, it took the Soviet Union half a year to clear the Germans out.

Oh, the Germans, the Nazis, the Germans and all the other Europeans are at risk. And massive losses of life. Basically, this is an extraordinarily fortified area, and it's taken a while to remove them, especially if you don't necessarily lose a huge amount of law for Russian lives. Yeah, have you seen... I mean, I'm sure you've seen the images of the Ukrainian fortifications.

They're extensive. Yeah. Yeah. And you can even check the bodies that are being returned. It's like one to 32, if not more. Like, meaning it seems to be less Russians being killed,

not more in the way that West's media is talking about it. And not to mention, they're losing villages left and right. Like this narrative of The Ukrainians are rolling the Russians back. I don't know where they're getting at from. And like, you're looking at the ground and you're like, okay, well, they're being rolled back in Constantinayatka.

God, I have such a hard time. It's word. They've lost Krasnil Daman. So it's like, okay, so you've effectively been surrounded. The Russians are surrounding Kramatur Slavians. That is the last stronghold. That doesn't look like success. That looks like your last.

strong cold as well. So I don't know where they get that from. And it's amazing to me that they can make this stuff out of cold claw. And the media just runs with it. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, right? I mean, I don't understand. Like, I mean, even if you're not following this story closely, which I don't blame Americans for not, because it's been going on for so long and doesn't seem like there's really any huge changes.

I need to how the American media is. If there's, things aren't really blowing up in a big way, it's not exciting to them. But I don't get how people can look at the map. And here we hear's Stas. Here we go. So what we have here, the main battlefield right now is the Dhrzegovka Kramatorsk-Slavinsk agglomeration, which is basically just one big city. So you have this, it's kind of sea-shaped.

And on one end, you have Konstantinovka. On the other hand, you have Krasnilman, which is also taken. It's just being cleared now of pockets of resistance. Krasniln Maman is on the high ground, about 15 kilometers away from flooding. It's looking down on it. Historically, this is the way the Red Army cleared the Theroyahoo going downhill. Artillery's got longer range, frying down. The entire city is out on a flat, over.

open area in front of you that you can look down on. So you've got pinchers coming up on the main routes from north to south and south to north. Then you've got the frontal assault that's about five kilometers out in closing. The movement forward has been stopped to consolidate the different branches going forward and make one long line because there's pockets of Ukrainians that were surrounded. So they're going to start moving forward again. They're five kilometers out. So you've got, you've got pincher movements coming this way,

you've got the front moving this way. And then there's another push. Where was there? Got this other push up from Dobropolia, which is coming up behind this fortification. Now, the key difference here is this is the last line of fortifications for the Ukrainians. So what we've had before is every city in the east that's fallen, they just move back to the next state that's been fortified.

And the next city is reported. The next city is fortified. And these cities may be 10, 15 kilometers apart from which is it's not a very long run across open fields to get to the next portified line. It's being held. The problem for Ukrainians now is the Arnhemortified line. This is it. This is the last. And these fortifications of what they've been preparing since 2014 pouring untold amounts of concrete, rebarbed, you know, concrete.

pulling in elevators for machine guns and mortar mortar tubes and so on and so on building tunnels. But this is the last line. After that, it's open fields and small villages and some field fortifications, trenches, that they've dug up that they can't hold. There is no more lines of fortifications all the way up to the Nefer rivers. So they've got big problems. And the other thing is Russia now has aerial control.

of the territory behind these fortifications, these three fortified cities. So when they try to bring in supplies or get the wounded out, they come under drone attack and they come under aviation bombardment and missile bombardment. And they'll make it even worse for them. If they're still in there by the end of September,

beginning of October, when the rains start, those fields are going to turn it to quagmires and only Hardin roads are the only way you're going to get through. So anybody that's still in there is going to have one of two choices, die in place or surrender. And that is just a huge, that's going to be the huge loss for Ukraine because that is the final, actually heavily portified area. The other areas right now, I guess start from north, Sumi, Russian forces are on the edges

of Sumi. I'm thinking within, in areas, there are three to five kilometers out, which is basically the edge, you know, it's a mile, mile and a half. they more likely will start investing Sumi sometime in the next month or so Summi is a town or about 200,000 people it's the key part about Sumi is it's a logistics hub they've got major interstates and rail lines coming in from Cheriniga to the northwest from Kiev to the west

it's the route that was used to invade into Kursk province because there's a road that goes up toward Pursk city and it is the main logistics hub feeding Harko to the southeast. So if you take sooner, you basically cut off Harka from the west. Harkov's

cut off from the north, Harkov's cut off from the east. So the only thing you got left to the south and I believe it's the Volcha River. The Volcha River runs in there. Maybe the Sierra Danetska River that runs to that area. But either way,

that there's bridges to have to be crossed in south of Heidekof to get the Haddikov. So you basically isolate Heidkov and then you're ready, you cut the bridges and you fully isolate the city. So that's the first step of that. Major isolations are even taking

the north and the east, and now the big step is going to be taken Tsubi in the west. And Suez is going to be very hard to defend for the Ukrainians. They're within the Russian artillery, aviation umbrella. there within

it's basically the city is flat, it's open I mean there are points that you can defend on factories things of that but there's no topographical areas that lend to its defense and then swing

all the way back down to south you've got the battle for Areouchev Arjov is the last major fortified town southeast of Zaporado city. And that's being surrounded from three sides. And there's

already fighting in the next adjacent village outside of Arayokov. Russian soldiers are pushing up north, and that's Malatama. Mala Tamakakamakamah, I think. Let me have checked that real quick.

To be accurate. I will tell you. in one second. I want to load up. Mala takmachka. Mala takmachka. And it runs almost to the edge of, it's a thin town, village

along the main interstate's N-08. And that's, that's the many feet of road for that. And that's being surrounded from three sides right now. And it's already physically, it's not physically surrounded yet, but it's

around, it's in a tactical encirclement because the main road going in is fully under artillery and aviation and drone control. So you can't get anything in, can't get anything out. And once that's done, again, you'll have the same thing. You have a bunch of small villages unfortified in any sense right up to the Upper Roja City. So Ukrainians have a lot of problems. How fast this front collapses? We'll see. It's always hard to tell. You know, with I'm thinking the Krematorsky area may collapse a lot faster because while the Ukrainians front toothed an Neo on the previous cities in front of it, they always knew they could always fall back. Things went bad. They always had an ability to fall back to the next line.

Now there is no next line. There's just open fields. So there's the only place to fall back is to try to run across 30 kilometers, 40 kilometers of open fields. That's a lot of running. So we're with drones and aviation overhead. So, you know, it's interesting, too, because what you hear from these guys, those statements coming out of Ukraine from the military ministerate defense. And this made me one of the reasons Philadelphia got fired.

Another really Ukrainian name, Pilgros. I mean, just don't understand how bad this is. Several Russian generals ski generals are born in today's Ukraine. Sierski was born in today's Russia. and his father and his brothers to live in Russia. So, you know, this is a civil war in any which way you look at it. One of the statements that came out was that their aim is 40 to 50% foreigners or mercenaries in the storm battalions. So, you know, they're running out of met.

You don't look for foreigners to do your assaults. if you have plenty of people. That's, you know, that's one of those things you don't do. But since they're actively having to do that and recruit that, that just tells you that they're running on a men. Why did he get, why did that general get fired? Like, why really? Oh, the Minister of Defense?

Yeah. Well, first of all, Minister of Defense is one of the best places to earn money. easy example is Umura who was a minister in defense for three years he's on the security council now he and his entire family and when I say entire family

I don't mean just him and his wife and kids his parents her parents his brother the brother's family they all got American citizenship in 2016 his entire family took for him live in Florida he spent three years as minister of defense during the first three years of conflict, charging, you know, $50 for 10 eggs.

That's righteous like that for the military. So he and his family have been buying up real estate left and rail over Miami. So that's one thing, is they steal like crazy. I mean, Trude Selensky gets a chunk of that, obviously. It's all a mafia state, and the big Don has to get a chunk from the sub-dawns and the sub-sub-dawns and so on.

You know, you pass it up to the big guy. But right now, Zelensky, you know, the Ukrainian government is not quite all as, all as unified as it may look. Because while you have, you know, in Russian folklore or Eastern Slavic folklore, there's a, and maybe in Russian Slavic too, I'm not sure, there's this dragon called Mnagarainich, the snake Gerenich, is a three-headed dragon. In this case, the three-headed dragon is the CIA, MI6, and Assad. And particularly, Zelensky is an animal of the Americans and the Israelis. And even though all three heads are connected to the same body, they kind of still, you know, most of the time they're aiming in the same direction, but they still have their own quarrels internally.

It wants to be on the top. So the British obviously want to be able to control everything, rather than having the Americans control everything in Ukraine. I get the better cream off the top. So they've got Zeluzni, and they keep pushing Zaluzni. So you've really got internal issues because the British want their guy in. The Americans want to keep their guy in. We know that Trump is suddenly best friends with Zelensky.

I mean, look, anybody who believed that little hoopla in the White House in the beginning? That was real, you know, shame on you. Go use your brain. This is all theater for the masses. I mean, to ever believe that Trump, that the U.S. deep state cannot control Zelensky, seriously, they can have them shot any day than one of them. They've got full control over this guy. What you're seeing now is astroturf protests. These aren't grassroots.

In fact, what was grassroots was evolve. That was grassroots. And this is an interesting point. why you don't quite see the same thing in other areas. Well, Lvov... You see, Ukrainians hate each other because they don't consider each other Ukrainians. So the further east you go,

the further they look at everybody to the west of... I'm sorry, the further west you go, they look at everybody to the east of them as not real Ukrainians, but Russians, weren't they only real Ukrainians? It's a ludicrous state. It's an artificial state. And Lvolve, they're the...

You're purest of the Ukrainians, except the Galicians think they're being pure. So how dare you take us and we have to go fight and die? We're the special, really special people. It's those Russians and Niappetrovsk or in these other provinces in the area in Tia. They have to go die and fight beside us. So to them, this is a massive insult. They're now being forced recruited to go fight. That's not supposed to happen.

It's supposed to be the Russians fighting the Russians, not us being. So they're more emotionally now in. involved. But that protest got busted up, or that revolt got busted up pretty fast or pretty hard. The press gangs, they have ultra-nationalist units that will never go fight because they're used as muscle. And they came in there and they beat the crap out of a lot of these people. They brought him in, made them apologize and mass, sent them some of the jail, but most people are going to get protests ganged up or whatever whatever what. that's what a real protest

looks like in Ukraine it doesn't last it doesn't get finance it's something that people start and the government comes in there and kills a bunch of them or cracks a bunch of heads and sends them all off to die on the front and the meat grinder that's a real protest in Ukraine now I haven't said that

what the hell is that just landed on my computer one second that's a big grasshopper I don't beat the round of my bones that's really big grass that's on my screen now. So that's a real protest. What we're seeing now is AstroTurf.

These are funded protests, more likely funded by the British to put pressure on those and skiers. They want their guy in. I mean, that's just as simple as it gets. This is all theater. This is all theater. I mean, look at how many young men are out there and the press gangs are touching. They're not touching because they're paid not to touch him.

these guys have you know these are professional protesters they come out when they're needed so there's a whole class of men that's lower their front because they have they have immunity because they're professional protests and they're in the payroll of one of the government

one of the government's backing the Ukrainian it's as ludicous as it gets but this is this is Ukraine wow any any other questions tomorrow

no this was good. I appreciate Stas to them too, especially with the signal fighting through it. No, I appreciate staying on with it. Thank you very much, Stas. Absolutely. Thank you. Okay, take care. That was the voice

of an image of Stanislav Kropivnik. And hopefully he'll come back, come back anytime, and good luck and stay safe. Thank you. Thank you. All right, here we can. Hopefully, a better internet connection. Hopefully.

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