DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Target: The Far Left | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

LIVE 9:00 am Eastern time, Streaming Anytime:Editorial cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• In an unusually expansive way, Sebastian Gorka, senior counterterrorism director on the National Security Council, is designating leftist groups in Greece, Germany and Italy as terrorist organizations, to pressure foreign allies to investigate them and to search for connections with leftists here so they can surveil, investigate and imprison American opponents of Trump. • Melania Trump denies connections to Jeffrey Epstein and that Epstein introduced her to Donald. Why?• Trump warns Iran ahead of planned negotiations this weekend, to comply abide by terms he says were agreed on for a ceasefire, or he’ll order large-scale attacks on the country. 6 ships—no oil tankers—passed through the Strait of Hormuz yesterday. JD Vance, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner will attend peace talks in Islamabad. After a surge of suspicious trading on prediction markets, the White House tells staff not to use insider information on the Iran war to bet on financial markets.• If someone wants to break into your Signal chats, they might find a way to do so. The FBI recently extracted incoming Signal messages from a defendant's iPhone. The user had deleted the app, but the FBI scraped incoming messages from the push notification database, even though those messages were set to disappear.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

Good morning. You are watching D. Program with Ted Rall and Jamarle Thomas. It's Friday, April 10th. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for liking, watching and sharing the show. Like it also if you feel so motivated. Good morning, Jarmal. What's happening, my man? How you doing, Ted? I'm doing pretty good, actually. It's going to be really warm today. It's going to be like 71 here, which is weird because it was like 22, two days ago. whatever. Climate change. They call it global weirding, which I thought was a good description of it. Today we're going to be talking about this move on the part of the Trump counterterrorism director of the National Security Council to target people tomorrow like us for possible arrest, which isn't good. I don't like it at all. Inexplicably out of clear blue sky, Melania Trump, suddenly saying that she, didn't know Jeffrey Epstein, never went to Jeffrey Epstein's private island, was not introduced

to her husband by Jeffrey Epstein, never knew no Jeffrey Epstein, no-how, no way. But I don't even know why she brought this up, and nobody else seems to know. Donald Trump is, of course, blustering, because that's what Donald Trump does, ahead of ceasefire and peace negotiations this weekend in Islamabad. J.D. Vance will represent the United States and head the delegation. And also a subject of great interest to me, because I use it, Signal, which is an app that's been marketed by people like Edward Snowden and other people as being a private point-to-point encrypted communication. Turns out the FBI has figured out a back channel. The good news is we can tell you how to avoid that back way to access your so-called deleted chats. So with all that, and it's actually kind of incredibly simple.

ones you think about it, but you have to sort of think about it. So during the, if you have a question during the live performance here on D program, between which is 9 a.m. Monday through Friday, Eastern time here in the United States, please put it in the chat on Rumble or YouTube, and we will get to it. Priority will necessarily go to the paid super chats, but we do try to get to the other ones as well. We are doing Q&A's shows, but not today. Those are Mondays and Wednesday. days only at 12 noon. On Friday, the Lord rests. Not to mention I have a Rumble exclusive to do with Robbie. I don't even remember what we're talking about, but Robbie, I'm sure will remind me or we'll just like figure something out. Okay, so let's talk about leftists, shall we?

What time are you guys doing the exclusive? I think we're doing it. Robbie, are we doing that live or are we just recording that? No, we do it live. We've got to stream it. Listen, you're a Rumble partner, Ted. You got to get those sweet, sweet hours so we get your sweet, sweet, sweet Lugar. What the fuck are we talking about? I don't remember. I don't know. What for yourself about that? I mean, we, I mean, the, see, here's the, here's the problem. Me and Ted politically are on opposite ends

of the poll. But we agree on a crap ton of stuff because of both populists. Well, I'm a populist. He's a communist. I don't really know where the overlap out of the bleed works. But, uh, well, there's a left-wing strain in populism. You know, for you long call your office. Being a patriot.

Honest, like, no bullshit. Like, what I'm, like, Like, have you seen Trump's tweet today? I'm sorry, as a Bito, but just give me a minute. Donald Trump flipped out today. I don't know if he saw him going after Tucker Carlson making California. Yeah. Yeah, yes.

He put like a page. Flip it out. Yeah. The president's losing his mind. He is losing his mind. You can call Tucker Carlson a lot of things, but stupid is really not one of them. Stupid is not the thing. And then he's like, nobody's interested in these people.

And yet the president of the United States is literally. You are. You are. That's what I always say to people who are like, nobody cares about you. I'm like, and yet here you are. And yet here you are talking about me, the president of the United States, right? I think the wild part is those people, while we may disagree on a shitload of stuff, there is something to be said about being in the interests of America as opposed to working at the behest of a foreign power.

And so if we agree that, hey, American interests should matter more, then yeah, we will have overlap, even if you're on the right or on the left. I don't think that's a shocking thing. You say, hey, maybe we need to deal with affairs of America as opposed to the affairs of other countries. But you'd be surprised, J.T., how many people, for them, it breaks their brain, like legitimately just shorts them out. Like last night, I was talking to my pastor over on Facebook

because I reposed to Tucker Carlson. I like Tucker. I agree with him. I think he is a patriot. And so he then responds to some BS post on Facebook from some guy with no links, no sources, no nothing. And he talks about, well, Tucker Carlson's misrepresenting the Bible. I said, well, here's the problem is that the post that you share doesn't share anything. Like there's nothing source.

There's no link to the episode. There's no timestamp. There is no nothing. And so trust me, bro. I said, that's not how this works. I said, the only thing you take a Facebook, you are, is the Bible if you're a Christian. That's it. Everything else, you better source it. And that's, and it's just a disconnect. And it's just like, well, Robbie, have you gone leftist? I said, well,

I guess so if you think that only accomplish their war and if you believe in separation of powers. And if you believe that our president's not a king, then sure, I guess so. I never thought of the even as as a leftiest person here probably I've never thought that those were exclusive purviews of the left you know at all right yeah John Adams was a right winger he didn't believe in Kings all right we've got we've got news to do here okay so thanks Robbie thanks Robbie indeed so Sebastian Gorka is the senior counterterrorism director on Trump's national security council He is involved in a really unusual secret scheme being reported exclusively by the New York Times this morning to designate leftist groups in Europe as official State Department designated terrorist organizations. These are basically a total of five very obscure, very small organizations in Greece, Germany, and Italy. And basically his quote is there are no lone wolves. That's not true. And he says that he wants those countries to investigate these groups,

none of which, by the way, in Europe, have attacked anyone for at least 10 years, which is supposed to be the official terrorist designation. You have to have done violence in the last 10 years. But anyway, they want to be investigated, and they're looking for any connections or communications, between members of those organizations with leftists in the United States, which they then, which Gorka then wants to surveil, investigate, and imprison any of those people. This is all an attempt to basically tie them to, quote, unquote, Antifa,

which, you know, kind of doesn't exist as an organization. It's an idea. So I think this is very McCarthyist. They're looking for leftists like us in this. United States to throw us in prison and they're going to do it on the flimsyest of excuses. It's like, well, there's a link between, like Ted Raul once exchanged emails and book recommendations with some dude who used to belong to an Italian anarchist group, which one time 27 years ago did something wrong.

Therefore, Ted Raal has to go to Guantanamo and be hanging from the ceiling with a ball gag in his mouth. I mean, that's basically what they're on about. Yeah, that's outrageous. I mean, like, in the irony of a country that just started a war over aggression, saying, you need to go off to terrorists and terrorists that don't actually exist in this case. And then there's a question of, like, you have nothing else to do? Like, this is what you decide to use your time for?

Yeah, it's outrageous. I mean, honest, like, let's be honest, right? This is just political machinations. This is political experience. It's also a It's a fucking fishing expedition While there's real crime and real terrorists That they could actually be pursuing

And they're not. Well, the real terrorists we worked with That bloke came to the U.S. and shook Trump's hand. And then we went back to Syria With Trump's blessing, if you remember. Oh, you know, this is outrageous. I mean, this is one of those situations

where, yeah, he's looking at going after let's say domestic enemies or trying to create domestic enemies. It puts me in mind almost of the Saddam Hussein thing where it's like we're looking for weapons of mass destruction and we're looking for terrorists who operated on 9-11,

something where the link didn't actually exist, but you're doing this kind of fishing expedition and trying to pull people out and try to say, hey, see, we showed you and we said that there was a link and here's this link. Yeah, I don't buy it. And honestly, this even goes back to January 6th, right?

Because the argument that Trump was making was that yeah, those were Antifa. Those weren't my supporters that were beaten that had a lot of Congress. That was doing it. And there's Antifa all around. And everything that takes place, Antifa is doing this. Antifa is doing that.

And every protest against me is Antifa. And I, Donald Trump, are going to find a link to Antifa to show that this thing exists. No, that's disturbing. Political violence in this country is usually, if it's right or left, it's usually right wing. And that's been the case historically for a long time. You know, I say before we move on here and take a few questions, my first response, Monster Mall was like, oh, wait, there's a militant left-wing organization in the United States. I've been looking for one for my entire life to join.

If you, you know, do I need a subscription card? Like, where can I sign up? Because I've never been able to find one. I mean, I live in a country where we have a bunch of no kings is what, you know, like, well, are regularly scheduled every 17th Saturday, weather allowing, is like, that's what passes for the left in this country is a bunch of fucking corporate DNC Democrats. I would love to join a real left-wing organization. There isn't one. Not one that's effective. And let's be honest, as you point out, No Kings is a Democrat

link organization. There's a difference between the Democratic Party and what I think you and I call the left. Those are different things. I don't think Trump knows the difference. But either way, he is going to be looking for people in order to have a supposed show trials that's assuming he brings anybody into trial. I will make a bet. I don't think he gets anybody legit. No. Because I don't think anybody legit is this. I agree with that. We'll see. We'll see. We will see. I mean, what a fucking joke, except for the fact that, you know, these jokes will sweep up real ordinary Americans for no good reason. And here's the worst part. the liberals, the Democrats, the corporatists, they will not only not give a shit.

They'll help report us. But it depends on who he gets. If he gets a liberal, then he's called it Antifa. But I've got to be honest with you. I think that they are so incompetent and ineffective that this may go nowhere. But I can be wrong. I hope I'm, God knows. I think it's another brick in the wall of the fascist construct.

that this administration is either kind of floating to see if they can get away with or they're actually putting together, and I don't know which it is. Agreed. You know, so, yeah. Manchild, thanks for the dollar donation. Morning, y'all. Morning to you as well. Is Gorka trying to create European terror labels as a legal blueprint to criminalize

the American left? Yes. And import Orban's managed democracy model to rig the 2026, midterms. Victor Orban, of course, in Hungary is in a lot of trouble. We should probably talk about that too. But I think, yeah. By the way, Charlie Kirk is the other part to this.

St. Charles. St. Charles is the first of the United States. He of the statues. He of the sainted widow. Who is not a gross skank at all. Because according to Trump, it was Antifa. or something like that that was also involved in pushing the public to murder Charlie Kirk. Like this is the stuff that they were effectively using.

They were using Charlie Kirk as a gateway in order to go with legislation to go after the left. I mean, you could hear it like immediately before his body hit the ground, before his body was cold. They were out there screaming that is obviously the left. That's responsible. The left did this. You still see this on social media every single day. You, the left, did this. A dude did this because he thought in a misguided way that he was defending his trans girlfriend, right?

Basically, that's it. And roommate. He, you know, does that make him a liberal or a lefty? Possibly. It's one person. There are no lone wolves? No, there's a lone wolf. That right there is a lone wolf.

He did not, he was not part of, he had no co-conspirators. He did it all by himself. he was from a Trumpy right-wing family, if that matters. I don't think that matters either. You know, this was his misguided idea to stand up for trans rights and specifically the insult that he saw perceived, you know, directed at his girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the other part of this.

I mean, ever since his death, they've been using that as this kind of litmus or less lightning rod of organization against. He's their horse, he's their horsed vassal. Yeah. You know, for people who don't know who that is, right? So, Horst Wiesel was a young Nazi in the 1920s who was killed in a scrap with the leftists, with leftists in the streets of Germany, where they actually had real leftists. And anyway, so the Nazi movement had the famous Horst Wiesel song, and it was like he was the martyr of the Nazi movement. The Emily, thanks for the comment. The major difference between the right and the left is that the right does not believe in humanism.

Please stop perpetuating the myth of us agreeing. Well, there can be some agreement, but I take your point. Skylowski, hi guys, can we mention that the U.S. has labeled all transgender Americans as terrorist groups and the biggest threat to the country per the FBI? This is related to that. please talk about it. I'm not familiar, are you? They label all transgroups as what?

Yeah, I need a quote or a citation or something. Yeah, no, I mean, if so, of course, obviously that would be disgusting. Yeah, absolutely. Mabe, Bluth, Funk. Not sure if you guys covered NSPM 7 or the executive orders on this a while back, they issued some ban on the John Brown Gun Club a few months ago. How could they issue a ban on the gun club? I don't know.

Again, okay, sorry, we need citations. Longtime listener, Ted, joined the American Communist Party. I've looked at their stuff. They're very, very tiny, very, very small, and I have some ideological disagreements with them. But I'm not against it. Nerventai, thank you very much for the $5. Why is the government cool with H-1B Indians

who are not qualified for what they're hired to do? speaking from experience, but not hard labor immigrants who are actually helpful. That is obvious. That's a good question. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say, because Donald Trump's in with tech bros, like, if you think about it, this was one of the-old Trump, this phenomenon. It does, but this was one of the big fights when Trump came in an office because Trump kept

saying, I'm Maga First, I'm America first, et cetera, et cetera. And then when the H-1B-Visa thing came up, if you remember, Ramoswami and Elon Musk, broke with a lot of MAGA on this particular issue because everything was like, how are you American first, but you're not hiring American workers to do these particular jobs. You're bringing in effectively indentured servants in order to work with these companies because those people have less power, make less, et cetera, than Americans. And then they'll turn around and say, we're going to destroy the Department of Education while simultaneously claiming that they're going to bring in H-1B1 visas. So the, the

pathway in order to get people sufficiently educated to do particular jobs, you are destroying. While simultaneously is saying, we're going to bring in cheap labor from a standpoint of tech and use that in lieu of American workers, it's that. It's almost like they have somewhat of a bias towards immigrating people from, let's say, like certain countries and are okay with immigrating people for other countries, especially for jobs that are highly skilled. It's weird. Or it's not weird. Obviously, they're bought. But it's still disturbing.

Well, I mean, so this is about, I mean, I guess this comes down to the question of, it's really about the employers, right? So as you point out correctly, you know, big tech is wired into both the Democratic and the Republican Party leaderships at the highest levels. So it's easy for Jeff Bezos to pick up the phone and say, you know, and beg for H-1B visas from Trump or Biden or whoever. And get those. But I guess, you know, we know that working class migrant laborers are, you know,

are employed by American employers like Tyson chicken, you know, Tyson Foods in Arkansas. Farms. Yeah, lots of farms. But is it as simple as the fact that they're more atomized? And like, so, for example, this farmer isn't united with that farmer. There isn't like united ag business that can call up the White House and, and get the stuff or that companies like Tyson are just not for whatever reason wired into the White House as much. I mean, it's a little, it's a little hard to explain.

I guess that's true. Maybe you're right. I just, I remember this fight taking place and I remember the H-1B. And maybe it's just Donald Trump has made this big pitch about immigration. And oftentimes the focus of that immigration is. Maybe it's easier. Maybe also in a country that who's average. educational attainment level keeps declining over the years. It's maybe an easier political

sell to the American people. I know lots of liberals who are like, well, there's lots of jobs that, you know, Americans can't or aren't willing to do. And like, you know, the best scientists come from other countries. So why wouldn't we hire them? And it sort of makes sense to them. Whereas, obviously, you see unemployed people all over the country who could pick potatoes or whatever. Yeah, I'm not sure. I just assume, and maybe my assumption was wrong, that it is, as you point out, it's easier sell. Like, it's, it's very weird, though, to make this argument.

And I thought it was weird when Elon Musk and these guys were making an argument at first, that, well, Americans aren't competent enough to do these jobs. And you're like, really? That's your argument? Foreigner? Yeah, well, it's such a pile of shit. And it's like, and it's like, okay. If only there was an institution that we would call this institution a school that could train people to do perform jobs of various kinds.

Yes. If only there was an institution, we would call this institution a company that could train people that it wanted to have perform a job. I mean, nobody wants to train anyone anymore. You know, I mean, the last time I held a job where I was trained for it was in the 80s. Back then, it was kind of like we hire someone who's reasonably intel. or we get Ted because we have to settle for him. And then we train him to do the job. You know?

See, technical jobs are a little bit different. I was a software engineer for 10 years. Technical jobs are more complicated because it's like... You have to know a programming language. You have to have experience with it. Exactly. Yeah. I get that.

I get that. Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm going to wipe myself. But I've been pushing, like, through, I mean, I think through, you know, the, with all the disruption that we're constantly seeing in our workforce and what, you know, the big mismatch between what employers say that they need and what's available in the workplace. It seems to me like this country desperately needs a taxpayer-funded, you know, system to allow people to get job retraining and go to school and learn programming language or whatever the fuck it is. Now it's not really coding anymore because AI is really disrupting that. But, you know, like, you know, you got to like send people to school for free, you know, have that paid for by the taxpayers. Well, that's what I always said free college.

It's like you are in a global economy. You're competing against other nations with free college. Right? Thank you. Like if you create a disincentive for people to go to college, what are you going to get? And I guess from there. It's $100,000 a fucking year in this country. It's insane.

And so it's like, okay, so you are hobbling your country. for this because we it's almost like they take this argument right that well college is for the individual yeah and nay it's for the individual but a country is made up of individuals and so it's like if you want your country to be able to compete with other countries especially in the context of global economy and especially in the context of other countries that offer college for free because they get the value of that college for their particular country then you need to do something similar I mean, everything in this country is about the individual, right? Like, oh, if you get sick, JT, that's on you.

I mean, I thought we learned during the pandemic. Well, if I get sick and I don't go to the doctor and then I spread contagion throughout my community and people start dropping like flies, that's not just on me, is it? But like, but we still have this ridiculous. We need a more communitarian approach here. But anyway, I did like that question. JT, exactly what you're saying is in this example. executive order, which is called countering domestic terrorism and organized political violence.

So you can look in the chat and see that. I'm going to look at that afterward, not on the air, because it would be pretty boring to listen to me, watch me read this. Question for Ted and JT. In the current state of the world, how would you invest your money if I had money? Or would you correct? A hell of an assumption, right? What a hell of an assumption.

I mean, or would you currently not invest given the unpredictability? Thanks, Jim. I used to, look, I used to be, I used to work on Wall Street. I worked at Bear Stearns. I did. I forgot about that. So I do follow the markets and everything. And the fact is there's always an opportunity and unpredictability creates more volatility,

which means you can make your profits or suffer your losses more quickly. So, I mean, these days, God, what would I? I mean, it's hard to go wrong with AI, I would say, right now. Oh, I think that's going to bless. Yeah, sure, but you can make money until it does. In the meantime, yeah. Yeah, and I also do think precious, I mean, I do hate how high precious metals are because they're at a record high.

On the other hand, oh, no, no, I know what I do, energy stocks, energy stocks. Right now, ExxonMobil, BP, you know, et cetera, et cetera. I think I would have shorted the shit out of oil over the last couple of days, No, I mean, come on. Like, oil's going to $200 a barrel. I mean, you know. Not oil. I'm sorry, not oil. Oh, what was the fuck it was?

There's something related to, no, I inverted that. Oil is going to go high, especially if this war continues. We're at $4.20.0.20 here in Richmond. It's not oil. It's something else. It's something related to the war effort, though. But either way, agree. Agree.

But goal is, what, like $4,000, if not more? Thanks, Waterway. for the $2. Yeah, it is. And silver is crazy. Yeah. $2 donation, thanks very much. White House, September 25th last year.

NS National Security Presidential Memo, Section 7.3. The AG may recommend that any group or entity whose members are engaged in activities meeting the definition of, quote-unquote, domestic terrorism. So, you know, that's the buzzword.

Bullshit. That's the buzzword. Yeah. You're terrorists. Your turn. It's always been that word. It's been like that for, you know, even long before 9-11. This is kind of like, I feel like this is a good segue way to talk about the negotiations coming up in Islamabad over the weekend.

Are we sure that those are going to go on? I've seen conflicting reports all morning because some people said, well, the plane is in the air. Other people said any idea of talks are BS, meaning the talks or the people haven't necessarily or the delegation. hasn't necessarily landed in Islamabad. But the report's conflicting. I don't know which one is true. No, we don't know. So basically they were scheduled, right?

Right. And basically the plan is for the Pakistanis to host, and the Americans are sending J.D. Van, Steve Whitkoff, who's always been Trump's envoy. He was involved in the Ukraine negotiations. And Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, of course, and the great peacemaker of the Middle East. I guess now he could find.

finally achieve that potentially. And the foreign minister from Iran, who, if I were him, I'd be like, hey, can I zoom in? Because what with the Israelis and everything? I'll just do make this a Zoom call. But I guess, so that's the plan. It's supposed to happen tomorrow. I mean, I think the Americans are going. The question is whether the Iranians are going to show up.

Right. I mean, I don't know that I would, honestly. I don't think they should. I would post those guys. The only thing that I would like, I mean, so we had, we had, we had, we had, uh, tweet gate yesterday that we talked about. Um, we know that the Pakistan, so basically the Iranians know that the Pakistanis are, have been conspiring with the Trump administration to pretend to be honest brokers,

but really are kind of doing Trump's bidding to try to basically, Trump's scared to death. And he knows that he's lost the war. And he's, and he wants to try to save face as much as possible. well, that's over. The Iranians know that they always knew they had the upper hand. Now they know they have the upper hand. But if I'm the Iranians, there is one thing I really like about this, J.D. Vance. I mean, the fact is, you and I both know from the reporting that came out of the Maggie Haberman piece in the Times that J.D. Vance was the number one most strident voice within the administration against going to war with Israel against Iran.

Yes. He is the biggest war skeptic here, and he's leading the delegation from the United States. That sends a strong signal to Iran that we're serious about trying to make nice and make peace, I would say. Yeah, agree. And to be clear, CBS reported that Trump knew about Lebanon being included in the deal. In fact, there are few things with us. A, Trump knew of Lebanon being part of the deal. B, CBS was reporting that then Yahoo contacted Trump. And after that phone call, Trump comes out and says, well, Lebanon is not included in the deal, obviously. Okay, that may or may not be true.

Oftentimes we get lies from the media on the relationship between Trump and theniahu as if there's some kind of division that went off the times. There's no division. Israel just used as a escape, go for it. We also found out, or we had news from the Supreme Leader. Because one of the questions that I had was whether or not Iran was going to consider Lebanon inextricably linked to any deal that they effectively come up with. The Supreme Leader saying, yes, that this idea that Lebanon is not included is nonsense. We are linked in this. We're part of a resistance front.

And we are negotiating in this case, meaning the United States seemed to have made the bet that Iran would toss Lebanon over the edge in order to get a deal. Iran is saying that is not the case. Hence, reclosing the Strait of Ramos. They haven't necessarily reopened the tax on Israel yet, but closing a straight of moose is a superpower in some sense. And it gets to your point of having, let's say, the whip hand in this, because this is back to the matter. They can close it. We can't open it, and they can destroy the global economy by doing so. So it's fascinating. And then this question of whether they're going to show up.

If they ghost the U.S. delegation. That would be my move. Talk about power play. Passive aggressiveness is really one of my specialties for people who knew. It's a true of the negotiations. It's like tableball didn't show. I mean, seriously, I think it would be hilarious

to be like, you know, we were going to go. And then we realized we can't trust the Israelis not to shoot our plane out of the sky. So we can't go. Sorry. We can't make it. Yeah. Can't make it.

Oh, and our electricity is kind of not that reliable. What with, you know, you guys bombing us. So not really sure we can do the Zoom call. But you guys, you guys enjoy. Have some good kebabs. Let us know how it is. You can come to Tehran. I mean, you know, or the Iranians might be like, you know, a free trip to Pakistan.

You know, thanks, but no thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be straight, be like, look, man, you're continuing to bomb Lebanon. We told you this is, because look, for my thing is... The U.S. did agree not to do that. Yes. This is a test, and it's a test for Iran. Because ultimately, are you going to go negotiate while they're violating the ceasefire

that you just put into place? Meanwhile, Trump's flipping the script as he often does, and he's like, you know, you'd better reopen the street of removes, like, as we agreed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, this bluster, I mean, come on, if you're, if you're the Iranians, the whole world just laughing at Trump now. Yes. He's been exposed. Yeah. I'm going to end the world or I'm going to end civilization and then simultaneously, hey man, please get them to accept this deal. Oh, by the way, one of the other interesting points. The IRGC apparently wasn't on board for this. So, Aragogy, or the reporting comes out that it was the reformist government. that wanted to open the straight and resume negotiations.

The IRGC said no, or at least they were resistant to it. And apparently there's opposition or there is division within the IRGC on whether or not to even open the straight in the context of these negotiations. Obviously, they reclosed it. Six ships made it through yesterday, which is a trickle. No oil tankers, but I think no oil tankers are, I think it's more that the oil tankers don't want to make the run, right? They're scared.

They don't want to make the chance, yeah. But it's fascinating. It seems like the IRC is the one that's in control of closing the street. And the government itself is effectively having to negotiate with the IRC to even go with these negotiations. I mean, the thing is, though, the civilian government, like the reformist faction, as you characterize them, they're weak sisters within the Iranian government. They always have been. I mean, there are always figures, even more hardline.

ones like Akhmedinajad, but all those guys, they don't really, they don't really have a lot of power within the government, right? I mean, the IRGC sort of like, they really run things on the ground. They're controlling the Strait of Ormoos. They control the missile batteries. I mean, they're going to decide really what happens here. And with the country at war, that goes, that goes, you know, that goes for tenfold. Yeah. And that's what it seems to be. The IRAC seems to have let's say the whip hand in this. They do. I mean, the Iranians hold all the cards, if anything.

I mean, from my view, the biggest mistake the Iranians can do would be to not allow the Trumpies and their Israeli allies a graceful exit here. I mean, because it's because it's almost too lopsided. And that's what scares me in this whole scenario is that Trump's going to feel trapped and stuck, not know what to do. the entire global economy hangs in the balance. It's already started to circle the drain. You know, we just haven't, you know, we can see it coming.

It's just, it's moving in slow motion. Like, we're all tied to the train tracks. Like, you know, like with the evil guy standing nearby, twisting his, the train's coming. He's twisting his mustache. And, but you can see it coming, you know, from across the horizon. You know, by the middle of next month, we're going to be fucked. And Trump knows it. So what if Trump decides, like, oh, my God.

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, I have to nuke to Iran. And so the Iranians have to give something that makes the Trump's going to have to say, you know, Vidi Vance behind closed doors is going to have to say, you have to give me something I can take home so that we can present domestically that we didn't get reamed here. And the question is, what will that? Will the Iranians be willing to do that? And if so, what will it be?

See, for me, I think, look, I think this is a watershed. moment. And I think from Iran's point of view, they've been pecked at, they've been attacked. Their scientists have been murdered. They've murdered Soleimani. They've been attacked your negotiations. It's six years ago, Soleimani. It's been a while. It's been a while. But I guess I'm pointing out that there is. It's been going on over years, though. I'm agreeing to be going to be years. And, you know, even going back to Dick Cheney and the and the sanctions. And the sanctions. And so it's like, if you're Iran and these guys have attacked. hacked you maliciously, you need to demonstrate victory. I feel like this with the Russians saying,

right? Ukraine needs to be seen to lose and to lose moscrously. And I feel the same thing with the U.S. The U.S. needs to lose. Meaning Iran needs to maintain the integrity of Iran and they need to show legitimate deterrence from the standpoint of Israel or the United States to not do this again in six months. All right. Let's go through the point of what each side has to have. I think that's really important. And then let me just ask Robbie something. Robbie, do we have an ad by any chance? We do. I'll throw it up for you. I'll give us one moment here. Okay, cool. All right. And then we'll start that in the middle of that. So, all right, first of all right, the reopening of the Strait of Armuz. Ultimately, Iran wants that. And, you know, and the U.S. needs it. Has to

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and say, listen, we're going to have this toll we never had before. That will pay for reparations. That helps them domestically. I think they're making that argument. If I'm not mistaken, the Supreme Leader made something similar to that argument in his speech. That the toll system, like basically, these are sanctions. Mm-hmm. These are sanctions.

And so they need a, so here's the, here's the, here's, I think, the tricky, the sticky wiki for these negotiations. Iran wants a permanent solution. No more. Israeli and or American strikes. They want, you know, call off your Israeli dog and you guys don't fucking, we can't, nope, we're not going to be back at this next year. You got to say. Right. Okay, so that sounds to be like it's at bare minimum an armistice.

It might even be a peace agreement. It's a treaty obligation, right? Right. It is. I mean, it's not an executive order. So for the United States to give that, but Iran has to have that. right? Well, that's what they want. And I think they have to have it. I don't think if I don't think the Iranians can make any deal without that.

Right. So, so if they don't get so here's the problem for Trump. First of all, I guess he's got it, can he get it ratified through the United States Senate? Treaty obligation I think requires a two-thirds vote from the U.S. Senate. Good luck getting the U.S. Senate to agree two-thirds on anything, right? Except for giving themselves a raise. So, okay, but he's going to have to, I guess he can control his conference, but then, you know, Democrats be warmongers. They might not want to do it. They're not going to do it. He's going to lose Congress. He's not going to get two thirds. I mean, like even let's say for the moment, as hypothetically, that Donald Trump had, what, 65 Republicans in the Senate, 70 Republicans in the Senate. Hell right, let's make it 80. he still wouldn't get that pass. You don't think. No, I don't, like, the likes of Lindsey Graham, the likes of, you know, I'm trying to think of some of these other warmongers, many of these people were perfectly okay with war in Iran. They were. They just didn't want to look, be humiliated.

They just didn't want to lose. Yeah. Right. I just didn't want to lose. So it's that like, like, oh my God, I can't believe the president's attacking Iran. It's, oh, the president has humiliated us in attacking Iran. of different things, right? I think he would have a hard time getting it through, just like I think.

And of course, obviously, that's not the situation. And if this negotiation drags past November, or I should say past December 31st, you know, there might be a Democratic Senate. But I think so basically you're saying between democratic, you know, obstructionism and war mongry and the non-Maga Republican senators, there's no fucking way. he'd be lucky to get like 30 U.S. senators. Yeah, I don't buy he gets this through. I agree with that. That's a pretty. And by the way, I don't say

the same thing with the Russians, right? Because the Russians are saying the same thing. And by the way, they should say it. Like, this is not like, I'm dealing with this. You could sign a treat. However, okay, there's another way. You can sign a treaty. And then you say, well, I signed the treaty.

The Senate didn't ratify it. The United States has done that before. It was with Obama, right? Right. With JCPOA. Mm-hmm. I tried to get the Senate to ratify. There's been various nuclear nonproliferation accords that were like that. They were kind of considered the law of the land because the president and subsequent presidents liked it and agreed with it.

But it wasn't officially a treaty obligation. I guess the question is can the Iranians accept that? They might have to. They're going to have to. And then, okay. And then the really hard part is how can the United States make a lot? I mean, they have to get the Israelis to sign off on this, too. Will they?

Under any, is there any condition under which Netanyahu can go back to Tel Aviv and tell the Israeli people, yeah, we will never attack Iran again unless, like, they attack us militarily? But see, I mean, it depends. I mean, for one, the question, I think the question is, will Trump do it? I mean, obviously, the president can get up. Do you remember the Ron Reagan? And you know this.

You're a absurd in history. Well, Ronald Reagan calls Israelis basically, you know, cut that shit out. And then when he hangs up the phone, he's like, wow, I didn't realize I had the power to do that. It's like, don't. You're supplying. You're the lifeblood. Totally. $4 billion a year all because of Jimmy Carter.

Yeah. But I guess my thing is the idea that we give them financial support. We give them billions every year, like $10, $50 billion a year. We protect them in the United Nations. We protect them against other countries that are. I've been calling him General Sotomayniacs. And then we turned around and said, we have no power over Israel. They're real actor.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Get out of here. That's absurd. Trump calls and he always says, cut this shit out. He cuts the shit out. Will he do it? The question. And the answer is probably no.

Well, he would. Okay, so that's where if this all falls apart, it falls apart there. Yeah. I mean, so then what happens? Again, that's when we get into Ted's late, waking up at three o'clock in the morning and just thinking about all this. and my mind races and I think Trump nukes to Iran. I don't see. I have

a hard time seeing it. But maybe that's so big. Harry Truman nuked two Japanese cities, neither of which were civilian targets. Yeah, but that's different. Like, that's in this kind of major war where life just doesn't matter for most of the

populations. Like, meaning when you've wiped out millions of people in a conflict, it's like, okay, what's another 10, 15, 100,000, 2,000, like, you know what I mean? Like, the numbers start to get goofy at a certain point, and the numbers seem less real.

This would be a war regression out of the blue, for the most part. Or Trump nukes Iran. Like, that is... Well, I agree it's fucking insane. Yeah, that's not my... But that's not my... But we do a lot of...

Look, starting this war was fucking insane in the first place. And the thing is, you know, once you unleash the dogs of war, you end up with an inherently unpredictable set of circumstances, but in some respects, they're very predictable. And that we would end up here was kind of, you know, could have been foreseen easily. Well, it was foreseen. Because at least for me, I didn't think that we had the capability.

I thought it was insane attacking Iran. And I was like, but even like, the idea that we've been at war in Ukraine for what, four years. a major war that's like one of those first war-type pitch battles that is effectively take place in regards to two mass warfare exactly where you're using huge amounts of munitions you are scrounging around the world to try to find air defense missiles your capability of building those missiles are limited and even the capability of the weapons systems that you have at jimspokes are somewhat limited you're not in a wartime economy you're in a normal economy with a capitalist economy of that where you have to buy that stuff and that stuff is limited

in regards to surplus. And then you say, screw it. Let's have another war, meaning you don't have the capabilities that you're claiming that you have at your disposal and yet you're still going to war with Iran. I had Colonel Wilkerson on the show. Wilkinson said, we will be defeated. He said it flat out. We were defeated. The war is not over. So don't get me wrong, I'm not being triumphant, but I am pointing out. It's a zombie war. Yeah, it just goes kind of, yeah. It's sort of like the Battle of New Orleans in the War

of 1812. Like, why are we fighting this? I just didn't get the mail that it was over. Yeah, it's bizarre. F.U. So, here's, go ahead. No, I was just saying nooks is big. Like, that's, it's hard for me. I just want to get to some more questions.

FU. So thanks for the dollar. This is a JT special here. Any new Alien News and disclosures, thoughts on new Disclosure Day Spielberg movie, and the S4, the Bob Lozzar story documentary. Yeah, so Bob, okay, you didn't know who Bob Lazar was. Look up Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar is a fascinating case. Bob Lazar worked at S4. He put Roswell. What's S4? So S4 is the U.S. base that's in Roswell, New Mexico. It was a secret base. Nobody knew about it. And, well, it's the one.

wing of the base. But nobody knew about Roswell as a U.S. installation, military installation. In fact, if you remember, they were burning chemicals out. And Bill Clinton was like, I can't acknowledge that that exists. But at a certain point, they did acknowledge it. Bob Lazar ended up being right that base was there. They were testing, according to Bob Lazar, UFOs, that they were studying that stuff. And Bob Lazar was born in to help with the investigation because they couldn't necessarily make any headway on the technology. It's like if you put a caveman, if you gave a caveman a cell phone

and all the resources in the world can we figure out what it is. Well, he doesn't even know about electronics. He doesn't even know that these signals are flying in the air in regards to radio waves. So it's like, how do you figure out what the technology does if you don't even know the principles by which the technology works?

And that's effectively what they were hitting ahead on, according to Bob Lazard. Balazar is a weird case. But Bob Lazar is big consistent over the course of the 40, 50 years. that he's been out. He comes out with a new movie that is given this kind of virtual representation of what it was like in as for it in that base and as he was doing his work. So that's that movie. Bob Lazar is a fascinating case. I have this seen Spielberg's story,

but apparently there is a wink and a nod that is taking place with trying to get information out into the public in a way that doesn't freak out the public. And the belief is that media is a gateway of doing that. So there's belief in the UFO community that movies like the Spielberg thing is a way of pushing this out to the audience in a way that is not necessarily disturbing to the audience. I mean, I think I don't want to spend too much time on this because I know we have other questions. But I think the interesting thing in this is, what if the reason that they're being squirrely about the subject matter is because it's not good?

like I used to have the Space Brother idea, right? It's like staying on a building with Space Brother on my T-shirt, you know, saying welcome. And then I got more cynical. And I got into politics. And I started to think about this stuff a little bit more hard-edged. What if the reporting is just not good? Like, it's a black box and we don't know what's in that box. And the idea that people like, don't.

Trump, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Ted Cruz, Lindsay Graham, that these are the people who are ferreting information to the public because they will be the gatekeepers to this black box. Like, hey, I don't know what's in this black box, but trust us on this for being honest. And here's the information. This one. How the hell do you trust information government from people like this in a government set up like this? It's hard, right? So, I don't know.

Those things are fascinating. the subject matter is obviously fascinating and obviously keep my ear to the ground on it. But I haven't seen too much recently come up. It's short of those movies. All right. J.T. You need a better mic, great, great mosses says, from Canada,

where he's donating $2. Love him, though. Although it's picking up your train. Oh, yeah, I know, right. The train comes through pretty clear. It's actually cool. I'll get a new one over the weekend. All right, cool.

Again, this weekend was a soft lunch. It was testing everything. Yeah, the room's a little hot, too. So maybe you need some kind of carpet or, I don't know. There's curtains. This room is almost shaped like a church with this huge ceiling up top. I think the ceiling is like maybe two stories. Oh, okay.

So it's echoing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, there's mics that will address that. Okay, this is a question for Robbie. Fellow Southerner here. How would you think, what makes? makes you think Robbie Southerner.

Wanting to know where you're from, Robbie? I'm from, I am originally from Pensacola, Florida. They're on the Redneck Riviera. And then now I'm here in Montana since 2010. All right. Thank you, Robbie. I think I'm a southerner here. I'm in Virginia.

It was one race here, Richmond. Home with a Confederacy. That's right. The destruction of Monument Boulevard was just, It was terrible. You don't change minds by racist history. Agreed. Agreed. You just reshape how you look at those figures. You don't have to take the figures now. It still exists. If you go on my Instagram account, all of my exes are there. And then remove it. It's like removing them. Yeah. Removing them from my pictures doesn't get rid of the history, right? Yeah, it's a little weird. I mean, I've read in like advice columns where people, are like, oh, like, I, you know, I'm in a second marriage with a dude. We're both in second marriages.

And he still has a picture of his ex-wife up. He says he wants his kids to still see her. I want her gone. I'm like, why are you jealous of the person that he divorced? They got divorced. They're not together anymore. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't removed any of them.

Anyway, weird. All right. So is Manchild, is Netanyahu's sacrificing global stability for an October win banking on 77% approval for bombing Lebanon to drown out a world demanding peace. Is he holding the planet hostage for his survival? That's last part for sure. Yeah, he obviously wants to keep the war going. And I suspect he obviously has hitched his wagon to the U.S. believing that that's going to be enough to accomplish his objectives of this kind of greater Israel. I just think they're wrong.

Two quick stories. And we'll and we'll proceed with questions. Why did Melania find it necessary to call a press conference and say, you know, I never suck Jeffrey Epstein's dick. I don't have anything to do. No, she didn't say that. But, you know, I didn't have any relationship, any friendship. I never visited the island. And no, you know, Jeffrey didn't introduce the Donald to me. Why?

What's she responding to? That is a damn good question. I mean, that we're reporting. Okay. So to be fair to her, there were reports that came out that Melania was connected to Epstein in some way. This was a few days ago that came out. So maybe she's responding to that. You know, kind of like, you have a thousand comments, 99, 99.

There's that one. You respond to that one that's taking a message. Yeah, it made me that, right? It's like, oh my God, I can't believe they're connecting me to Epstein. Isn't this a classic stric sand effect? Yes. she should have just shut up about just leave it, right?

Just shut up, because now, like Ted Rawls, like, huh? What's going on? What are you talking about? Epstein? Yeah. Yeah, you don't bring it up. You know, if somebody said, so-and-so beats his wife, the moment that you're amplified, a fact that it's false on some level, well, I guess you have to knock that down. It's rough. It's like, when I was libeled by the L.A. Times. I literally thought, well, if I sue,

it's going to attract more attention to their libel. Right. And that's true. It is true. Yeah. On the other hand, do you let it lie? So it's this horrible. You have to balance like two terrible possibilities. Yeah, but you don't amplify stuff that may not be big. And if you're the wife or the president of the U.S.,

anything that you talk about amplifies a better thing. Especially because she's not a very public first lady. Exactly. Just leave it. Let you go talk for you. Okay. So, and I also want to talk about Signal. Do you use Signal?

Yes. Okay. So I do, I do two. And I was always impressed by the fact that all journalists use it. I mean, I've gone to cyber safety conferences here in New York for journalists. And they're like, first thing you do, like this was years ago, download signal. Only talk to your sources using signal, right? And it's point to, I use it with my friends.

It's point to point end-to-end, you know, encryption. And thank you. And Edward Snowden personally recommended it. I would say he's in a good position to know about these things. So it turns out that there's a recent trial. I won't get into the details of the trial because it's not really important to this conversation. But the FBI was managed to get a defendant's iPhone. The user had already deleted the app completely.

And the settings for it were for the messages to disappear immediately upon being read. And yet the FBI retrieved all. all of the incoming messages on signal. How did they do it? Care to guess? Either. So one or two ways, either. So I know on computers, when you delete something, it doesn't really delete it.

It just makes the memory available for usage. That's true. That's not what it was here, though, where it's like, yeah, basically like on a computer if something's deleted, it's just marked with a tag that says deleted, but it's still there. Right. So, okay, I'm not sure. I mean, it does not save to the phone unless... I'll give you another hint. It's not the cloud either. Unless they had access to the phone in and of itself. I know the CIA.

They had the phone. They had the phone. And that's the key here. They had the phone. But it should, but the app's gone. The messages were set to disappear. All right. So I found this fascinating. So the person had push notifications for their signal, when their signal was active. So it turns out that the Apple iPhone stores all, and this is probably true on Android, too, saves all of your push notifications. Like you got a message, Ted Rawl says hi. So that notification is stored in a push notification database on your phone. So.

So they went and looked at all the push notifications and read the messages. So the message here from Ted Raul, your today's privacy expert, tip before the weekend is if you care about this, deactivate your push notifications. You can have it set, for example, just to show that you have a message, or you can have it set to say, oh, you got a message from Ted, but it doesn't say what Ted had to say. Or you can have the whole thing up there, but then they can read everything. Or you can have no notifications at all, and you can just go check to see if you have anything on signal.

But that last way is the way to go. Are the push notifications encrypted? They're not. What? So turn off your fucking push notifications. So it just says something like, from mistress, ball gagging an ass today. That shows up. Yeah.

That's exactly right. And we got a minute left. Let's race through some comments. So now you know, don't say I'm useless. CIA Vault 7 WikiLeaks discredited signal, it says, DC 8828. Thanks very much for that donation. May Blet, thanks for the $10.

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P.W. Walker, thanks for the dono. You can hear BB and Miriam screaming at Trump right now to use nukes in Iran, agreed. And not to mention, Hegseth and Levin and Fox News. All true. That's a show. That's a week.

Thanks for an awesome first week. Looking forward to many more. We will be back next week, Monday through Friday. 9 a.m. Eastern Time here on D. Program with Ted Rall and Jamal Thomas. Please stay tuned for the TMI show with Ted Rall and Manila Chan coming up right now. Bye all. Bye, Robbie. Well, I'll see Robbie in like a minute.

Have a good one, guys. Bye.