DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - The First Rule of "DeProgram" Is Don't Talk About Ex-Co-Hosts

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

Ted Rall, Jamarl Thomas, and producer Robby West host an unscripted Q&A, discussing a viral clip about former co-host John Kiriakou’s abrupt departure for CAA, which they describe as transactional rather than personal. They cover immigration enforcement, Pete Hegseth’s fitness as Defense Secretary, Ukraine’s strategy and civilian threats, evangelical end-times theology versus a plain reading of Revelation, false rape accusations and Gen Z dating fears, political theater under Trump, and the value of debate across ideological lines. They close by emphasizing courtesy, honesty, and moving on from old show drama.

Good afternoon. It is 12 noon here on the East Coast, which means it's time for the Q&A show on D program with Ted Raul and Jamaral Thomas. We do it Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I think probably this Friday. We're going to start like gatekeeping the Friday show only for the subscribing members. So if you haven't subscribed yet, please consider that's going to be one of the things you get as a subscriber. We really need subscribers.

We appreciate all of the individual donations just as much. But what's really going to sustain the show on an ongoing basis is a few hundred subscribers. We're on our way, but we need a lot more. So if you are so inclined, there's a $5, $10, and $20 level, I'll put up during the show what those all entail. Thanks very much for joining, listening, watching, following, sharing, all that jazz. Nice to see you again, JT. If you have a question, this is the Q&A show, right? So we come here completely unprepared.

Just, hey, what's up? Like a chivisola soup, like my mom used to say, like a hair arriving on your soup. So unexpected. Well, expected every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and 12 noon. Okay, so if you have a question, please go ahead in the live chat, either on Rumble or on YouTube.

Put those in. Producer Robbie West, we'll put those up. we are looking for questions directed to Jamar, to me, to Robbie, to two of us, to all three of us, and we will answer them to the best of our ability. The Q&A shows are getting more popular, so thank you guys for joining those. And yeah, we had a little viral clip. We had a little clip go viral. Did we? Which one?

Oh, Robbie. Do we want to talk about that? What do you think? No, no. Yeah, why not? So last Q&A, last Q&A show, well, not the last one, because you heard it for the last one. It's the last one for last week. It was last Friday. Okay. And a viewer asked, asked a question about when the last time Ted spoke to John Carriacca. And of course, they started kind of talking about it. Well, I mean, he was a part of the show for a long time. People just really kind of advice about it. It went viral because basically, you know, in the short, I talked about how I'm not mad. He might understand why he did what he did. Yeah, me too.

It was, it was purely a financial transaction. And Ted just kind of went in and said, yeah, he's not mad. He's kind of disgusted after being ghosted. I mean, because, I mean, that's what happened. And that clip just kind of just grew some new legs and it just took off. Last time I checked, it's got that short has as well over. 4,000 views now. Oh, I think we're at 8.

Probably 8 now. I haven't looked at the last couple of, I haven't looked at it since last night. But yeah, it's just growing legs. And people like, well, in many context. So I just pinned the link to John's last episode for one at the end of the show, when he said, I'm going to go work for CIA because there are people saying, oh, well, Robbie did something pissed John off because Robbie's a racist or Ted. Ted's an asshole.

Or Ted is John off because Ted's. a racist and he's like, no, this is purely transactional. It was money. Here it is. Here he's a man in his own words. And so anyone wants to know just, it's there. We've got nothing. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. So, yeah, oh, so to keep things spicy for the first time, John called me yesterday. What? I know. Yeah, you know it's been a long time when you tell your friends, so guess who called me and everyone gets it on the first guess, right? Because, and so yeah, so he called, left a message. We're supposedly going to talk this afternoon. We'll see. Interesting. I have no idea. I don't really know what he wants except, well, he did say that someone forwarded him that clip

and that he was surprised to hear that I didn't, I no longer considered us to be friends. So I'll be looking forward to hear what he has to say. Well, I hope that you two are able to to bury the hatchet. I mean, seriously. I mean, it is what it is. It's like I said. I don't, yeah, look, I don't see John as an enemy or anything like that. I mean, I, I, I wish him all the best. And I seriously, look, I would love to see, you know, I mean, look, I'd love to be friends with him. I mean, you know, why not, right? Why not? Yeah, I like him. I mean, he came over here, we spent the day together. It's pretty cool. But that's enough about John. Who cares? He's not supposed. Yeah, this is in high school. No, I just look, I just, look, I just

kind of interesting. Like, it's somebody who recently went through a lot of show drama behind the scenes. I mean, somebody who's aired. I mean, the audience, obviously knew some of it. It's interesting. I mean, I've lost friends over stuff that took place on the show because I make a short demarcation between friendships and work relationships. And definitely, like the show is almost like in a capsule, meaning I can be friends. I'm not going to go into the person. I'll just say it that way. But somebody who I was friends with like a year. Like, I mean, I wouldn't consider it close just because a person is in a distance

of location. But definitely who I considered friends. But there was one particular issue where my thing was always, okay, I can't mess with her on this issue. Can't touch her on this issue. Don't even want to talk to her about this issue. Right. Because it's never going to go down with.

It's a no-files. Yeah, you're going to hate me if we have this conversation about this particular issue. Yeah, there's no point. Damn it. There was no way out. it was just the way out the show was covered the topic I've been having the exact

I've been having the opposite issue because now I'm starting to do YouTube in addition to Rumble because the YouTube's kind of just says they're going to secure everybody and and I mean this sincerely and so seven people

have become paid channel members over there on my YouTube channel over at West Glacier Gaming and like more than half of the messages that Robbie I hate your politics take my money because we appreciate the word that you do over on D program because you balance it out. I was like, well, thank you.

I appreciate it. So, I'm silly. I mean, so I'm actually having the opposite effect. It's like people are just coming over. It's like, we want to just keep you around and just want to support the work that you're doing and to game and go. I think I know why that is, Robbie. Because the general trajectory of how people familiarize themselves with you and based on your style and your politics is that you come, your first impression is extreme. Far right. And then the nuance and more moderation maybe introduces itself at least totally over time as people get to know you.

So they're like, but I think with JT and myself, it's the other way around. And so what happens is where we come off as maybe, you know, more moderated in our tone than you do. And then someone, so they listen and they're like, and, you know, every day we're expressing dozens of opinions. And then, you know, when you express opinions, you know, that's a minefield. And at some point you step on something that pisses the person off. And they don't see it coming because they agreed with you and liked you in general and about, agreed with you on so many topics. And suddenly it's like, wait, you know, you're on the wrong side of the Nogorno-Karabakh border controversy. Fuck you.

You're dead to me. I mean, it reminds me of this girl who I knew, who she told me, the subject of George Carlin came up and the comedian. And she said, oh, I used to be a huge fan of his. I mean, I had all his albums. I went to see him in concert, loved him, watched all his specials. But then he told this one joke. And I was like, wait, what? And she goes, and I'm like, but this is a guy who told thousands.

of jokes, right, over the course of years. And he was never shy to talk about, you know, fraught and controversial topics. And this one time. And so I'm like, so you're pretty unforgiving. So if you're like a, you know, like a baseball team owner and you have a player who only bats 999, you're like, fucking fire that guy. Fucking loser. I mean, so literally the person has to be perfect for you and agree with you on everything.

I go, okay, what's the joke? Well, I got to hear. What was the joke? And she said, the joke was, ever notice that women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to fuck anyway? I was like, that's pretty weak tea, but obviously it tapped in. I mean, it's a good joke because it's George Carlin. But it tapped into something for her, probably about lookism, if I had to guess.

And it's, but it's just like, I was like, well, no, wonder, like my entire career, right? Like, I started out of the gate in syndication in 1991. All throughout the 90s, my star was rising, right? And part of it, of course, was the print journalism wasn't dead yet. And but also, but, you know, people are like, oh, there's this guy, this young guy, he draws different. He has an interesting style, different politics. And so, you know, people at committees, they give me awards. I got this, got that, got offered all sorts of gigs. At some point, I used to joke around that I was the king of all media because I'm on radio. I'm on TV. I'm on radio. You know, not Howard Stern, but, but you know, I mean, but still, doing great. Then I get

really popular. I'm on Fox all the time as a regular guest. I'm a frequent guest on politically incorrect and people are seeing me by the millions. And every now and then, if I can say something that's going to piss someone off. And then, so every day, I'm saying shit that's pissing someone off and I'm watching my audience and my likeability just sort of trickle away. And I'm like looking at like cartoonists who are like in their 70s. By now nobody likes them. Their kids don't like him. The dog doesn't like him. And I was like, that's just the nature of this job because you are just expressing opinions all the time. And I was like, unless you're a reasonable person and you're sort of like, I can appreciate this person even if I don't agree with them at all. Or I can, I need to

generally agree with someone that's not me really but like you know i can if i mostly agree with them like let's say like Tucker carlson i'm he's from the right but i agree with a lot of what he has to say i'm like okay i can let go the other show i don't like but like most many people aren't like that so what you're saying is that the fact i'm an asshole is already baked in exactly yeah i think i mean yeah that's what you say i mean that's sort of the way i mean i've had that benefit fit from like being, like my style being outrageous is already baked in from the very beginning. And so the outrageous style, like, for example, I got the, the New York Times published a cartoon of mine in which one of the characters called someone else a pussy. Come on, they published

the word pussy. So for the time, it ever appeared in the New York Times. It's like, it's like, how did I, Ted Rawlton get away with that? Because it's been. Wait, wait, they put the word pussy in the cartoon? I put the word pussy in the cartoon. I know. I mean, but they published cartoon yeah in the in the sunday times man well the thing is listen i get there are some of my positions that are not reasonable immigration is one of them that my just my just tell you my my animosity towards the government what do you mean by not reasonable yeah did you think it's good reasonable otherwise even expels that position well because because because i think it's reasonable doesn't mean everybody else is because of how extreme i am on it because there are some things these are these are these

are subjective. Inherently, it's subjective things. Well, for sure. But I mean, most things, like, no, Ted, you've changed my mind on a lot of things. But you're never going to change my mind about having a kinder, gentler, more loving immigration system. It's just not going to happen. It's just the best way to do it. It's just get them out. They can go home. Now, that being said, no, Trump is, this is a great case of Trump doing the right thing in the wrong way. Instead of putting bracelets on people and then just let them wander around, going to college, taking a seat that she could have went to an American. You're going to let this guy here and he's going to get bullied and picked on.

He's going to opt out of life by walking in front of a car. I mean, the correct thing to have been done, if you're losing your temporary status as a immigrant, you're a guest, you're no longer invited to be here. You get on a plane. You go home. You don't just wander around the back streets of Ohio for God. Well, look, the correct thing. He didn't even have to go home. He hadn't been ordered to be.

He hadn't been expelled yet, right? I mean, he was in school. I mean, honestly, okay, this is my advice to people who are feeling like things are hopeless and they're never going to get better. Okay, so you have, in this case, he had this humiliating anchor, you know, ankle bracelet, right? Yeah, that sucked. It sucks. But you know what?

It all, lots of things suck, right? If they were like like, it sucks. Jamarles' health shit sucks. My LA Times thing sucks. Your finances suck, but I mean, all of, and we all have to deal with, life is going to throw these really shitty things at us. And like, I'm not saying buck up buttercup. That's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is this is inevitable in life.

And it'll be, it's like Dan Savage says it gets better. It does get better, these individual things. Or you just, or they don't get better and you learn to live with them. But the point is, like, I mean, I wish I was friends with that. that guy. I would have been like, take me to school with you. Show me who the fuck is talking to you. I'll fucking beat the shit out of them. Like, who the fuck?

How dare you fucking talk to someone who's being oppressed by the government like that and give them a hard time? You may not want to own this, but it is Bucca Buttercar. Like because of your heart. There are no safety. No, the safety doesn't exist. But I'm not saying that you're not right to be

sad. That's all. I'm not saying you're not right to be sad. I'm saying But you've got to soldier through. Yeah, that's all sorts of shit that goes awry. All sorts of shit goes wrong in people's lives, even under the best of circumstances. You could, obviously, it is within your right as a human being to take an offer if you no longer want to be a part of this physical matter, reality, existence. Yeah. But don't do it.

Right. I like, it's that point. Teenage, suicide. Don't do it. Yeah. I get it. That's sad. I get it.

It sucks. A lot of people have to deal with shit that sucks. They don't necessarily in their life for it. That sucks worse than that. From my point of view, there's no way out that box. Obama put some Cambodian kids and deported them back, quote, unquote, to Cambodia. They had not been there since they were two. They didn't speak Khmer.

You know, I mean, they didn't know shit. They ended up homeless on the streets of Phnom Penh. That sucked for them, but they had to fucking figure it out. Well, the last had the benefit, though, so think about this. They had the benefit of an American education. They would not have gotten Cambodia. What education? Two weeks.

They were two years old, man. Oh, I too. No, you said they were two years. They never, been there since they're two years old. So they grew up here. That means they obviously went to American education. So they got that education is a reverse brain drain. So that way, these people are educated by the American taxpayer.

They get to go home and make their place better. Well, that's not a thing. Maybe they can get a job as an English translator or teach English in school. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. You're effectively dumping somebody into a country that doesn't misfit the language of the country and the responses. Yeah, I'm against it for that exact reason, right? For that exact reason.

And they're not really Cambodian. Okay, that's the thing. They're really Americans. But one thing, and I was surprised a lot of people say this. Like, if Trump's not ready to deport these people, then there's no point in revoking their protected status. I mean, so. I think he's fucking dicking around right now. No, well, 100%.

I mean, did you all see what I shared on the chat about renaming the straight of Hormuz to the straight of Trump now that he has won the war and taken over the straight? It's right there. I got to do so. So this is a direct quote. And again, I'm not mad at the immigrant. I'm mad at people like this. Now that we have it under USA control, should we change the name Hormuz straight to Trump straight? Like America itself, it would be hotter than ever before. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Donald J. Trump. I wonder how many people pay attention to that. I, like, I got to be honest. I strongly wonder how

many people pay attention to that. Uh, but you make this point about, wait, wait, you make this point about sending all the immigrants home, fuck them, they should get out the country. I'm not mad at the immigrant. I'm mad at the government that's effectively doing that. We should be talking about Americans committing suicide. Trump is doing this shit in lieu of all of the other shit that you were complaining about. where the other shit doesn't matter. I'm saying he is dicking around after losing a war, by the way, about claiming that the straight of removes should be maintaining the straight of America.

And how many people have been, you know, on drug abuse? How many people are living on the street? How many people are living, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He doesn't give a shit. I didn't even think he really gives this shit about immigration. I'm being honest with you. I think it's more so just the way of getting into office. Oh, Trump's all.

Well, Trump's on record now. a couple months ago saying that he wants to let undocumented workers stay or working in agriculture and all these other things. Why not? They work for him. They work at him for the Trump organization. Sure. Right.

I mean, he hired a bunch of people. It's not ideological. When it's, I need money in my pocket. I need to do something that's a political expedience. He'll do it. And in this case, if it means I spend, you know, an entire year screaming and bashing and attacking immigrants, even saying that Haitians are eating cats. And then all of a sudden, on the down,

you flip on either H1B1 visas or for that matter, agriculture. You don't mean none of the shit you're saying. You just make this shit up as you go along. Oh, for sure. But seriously, though, I want to thank the people who have come over and become paid members over on YouTube, especially those of you who think I'm an asshole. It really does. I appreciate it.

Truly. Thank you. All right. Let's hear some comments since it is the Q&A episode. All right. John Park, one, is Pete Hexat, the worst, worst secretary of defense. we've ever had as a nation? Yes.

I'd have to. I mean, I don't think I have a comprehensive set of all of them. I don't have knowledge of a comprehensive set of all of them. So I don't know. There might have been some asshole Secretary of War under James B. Keenan that I'm forgetting about. But certainly in the modern era, yeah. Not even close.

I mean, they took a TV host that's most likely an alcoholic. that thought, that just because you can do pushups, sit-ups, that that is somehow, somehow leadership. It's nonsense. Give me a fat, overweight, but competent person, and I would take that person for the job in a heartbeat. All of the stuff is just optics. Like, meaning it's kind of like Ukraine and the war in Ukraine, right?

Okay, we need to do things like set fires, because we need to make Europe and America think that we're actually doing something in the war. It's like the first war of optics that I've ever seen, at the very least in the modern era, maybe something else happened in the past. What government was entirely dependent upon another government in order to prosecute the war, so they had to do theatrical things in order to get them to send money to continue the war. I'm saying, that's Hex-eth in a nutshell. He is purely looks, the makeup thing in his room, I don't know any of the Secretary of Defense that had a makeup thing in his office. This idea of injecting people with testosterone, one of possibly, possibly, the dumbest floated ideas in the history,

which is why I always joke that the people on the boats were tweaking on testosterone. It's a dumb idea. It's a dumb policy. But again, optics. We want our war fighters to be Ubermen. Look at this woman. She's also an Uber man.

That doesn't, you know, like, that doesn't give me confidence in the capabilities and the competence of the military. It just doesn't. He's all theater. And I'm saying the administration is all theater all the way through. No question. No question. All right, more questions.

Anandamanda Rake, did you guys hear Zelensky threatening civilian airliners flying over Russia? The neo-Nazis are bad, but Zelensky and his Jewish buddies running Ukraine are psychotic. Let's be clear. This is not just coming out of Ukraine. I would imagine that this is also U.S. and European policy. 100%. Meaning the 40-day thing failed miserably.

And it didn't just fail. It failed in a particular way of a backlash that is breathtaking. Like meaning, as Putin pointed out, they've opened Pandora's box. And it seems that Russia has taken the point of view. We're going to take you apart. You've given us just costs. And what ended up being wildberries being hit turned into one of the Ukrainian ministers made the point of saying 90% of the warehouses in Ukraine have been destroyed, which is breathtaking. That number sounds high.

Even if he's like exaggerating, let's say the number is 50%. That is astonishing. No ports being surrounded in regards to Slaubianz Kramatores, last place in Dombas or Donets. No, Dunbass. This is not a successful strategy. And to come away with this and the backlash from this and your response is, we're now going to threaten civilian aircraft. Okay. Let's see how they work out for you.

Right. Well, it's crazy. And by the way, Russia has already said. Putin through his own mouth that we are going to decimate Ukrainian's energy system. They've attacked us. We're going to destroy theirs. And they're doing this in lieu of the winter. Basically, you guys are going to be spending a dark, cold nights. Putin is not like Trump. He is not a bluffer. Okay. He's not bluffing on it. He doesn't watch. It's not his thing. Well, the defense ministry said the same thing.

I don't know about him, not bluffing. His rail lines are fudgeable. Bluffing that may be different. agree uh if you so thanks for the donation you guys should get jackson hinkle on the show that would definitely be a fun and interesting conversation communist it they doubt it communists well then he and i will have a common a lot of people think he's a fit though i think he's a sigh up i think he's oh really i think it's fake really and what explain just when he puts it out i mean he's he's always though out there know he's wearing his his little suits and stuff out there talking and going and just making the circuits. But I don't see where Ashley tries to do anything.

All he does is, yeah, all he does is talk. Like he doesn't try to move. It's a 20 year. I think he's like in his 20s. Yeah, maybe he should be organized. Him and Nick Fuentes. They're very similar, I think. But I don't think Jackson's gay.

I think that's probably the biggest difference. Oh, no. I got to be honest. I'm very dodgy with very young analysts. Because to me, it's like, hey, but how long have you lived to experience the stuff for it to bite? I don't know. Maybe that's just me. Yeah, I just, I think for him, just all a show.

See, I don't know one way to the other. All right. More comments, Duxilla, as a fellow Bontan who generally doesn't care for conservative politics, I like Robbie. I like hearing his perspective. Opasum King. What about that knife-wielding radical leftist? Who weren't they talking about? That was in New York, right?

Well, there was a woman who was stabbing people yesterday. She was just a crazy person. Well, what were her politics? Were she going after rich people? I don't know. Well, she did. She did off the vice president of a major bank, yeah. Okay, so maybe that's why they call it a radical leftist. A few years ago.

Although, in fairness, vice presidents have, I mean, major banks have tens of thousands of vice presidents. Like everyone's a vice president. Well, a few years ago. Just because it was effective. It doesn't mean she didn't have politics, right? It's like, there's the guy that rat bastard at my loan. I don't know why she went after the guy. I'm assuming, though, that's why they're called her a radical leftist.

Well, a few years ago. indication whatsoever by the way that she had any politics whatsoever she had a documented history of mental illness she approached someone randomly yeah yeah this is just a random thing that's so screwed up that they're putting a woman on the left i see what you just did i see what you didn't put the woman on the left she's just crazy there was a iran lady i'm trying to look up her name she was uh a rabbit animal rights activist. She made YouTube videos with rabbits.

And she shot up about, she was a mass shooter a few years ago. And she was a lefty for sure. I'm trying to get her name. Don't remember what I'm talking about? No idea who that is. No. I'm not claiming anybody on the left just because they claim that they're on the left.

Some of these people are just crazy. What is the thing? That was a lady's name. That's on YouTube. She is. And I know they would put that woman on the left. Yeah, she shot up YouTube payquarters. I remember.

Nazman Sabaz. That was her name. But she didn't do it because she was on the left. She did it because they didn't pay her. Yeah, but the thing is that the way that they played it, though, is because she was a rabid, she was a rabbit, she was a rabid animal lover. And so that's the angle that they, that's the angle that they played. Well, she needed, she needed money to pay for pet food then.

Well, that too. But for my understanding, they didn't pay her. YouTube screwed her over. And look, man, I have, I got to be honest, I'm sympathetic to it. Me too. Because it's aggravating. YouTube, especially back then, if you had a copyright strike, for example, YouTube would shut your channel down for a month.

And during that month, you did not get paid. So when you might have had, let's say, $10,000 in the queue and YouTube was like, we're not paying you. And it's like, okay, well, who do I complain to? Nobody. Nobody. Well, it's like the rumble shit. I mean, if someone, I'm not saying to do this, but if something like, that happened there. I'd be like,

they haven't coming. They're fucking with people's lives. It's that part. I mean, like, when that happened, I thought to myself, hey, she found a way to complain. She found the complaint box. And that saying is right. Don't do this, kids. Don't do it.

Right. Don't use kids. But did she find the box to complain? Oh, yes. Yeah, my thing. I mean, she was cute. She had pet rabbits, and she just went in there and just, no, she made her grievances very well known. Don't fuck with people's money. No. Don't fuck people over. Don't do it.

Okay, here we have more cut. Neat Bunny asks, says, I live near Springfield. I can say all the Haitian immigrants I've met have been wonderful people and hard workers. I'm sure that's true. I like Haitians. Trump has no idea what he's talking about. Springfield is shit, and it still is true. dollars

I usually doesn't know what he's talking about he never knows what he's talking about horses are people let's not get forget that Vance specifically imported these Haitians so that his landlord buddies can stuff 10 of them in a single family home and charge them each 500 bucks

and exploit their labor I don't know I'm not familiar I just don't think they're ideological I think they're opportunistic totally Sam Palmasano thanks for the $20

should men have more protections from women accusing them of rape, i.e. if a woman falsely accuses someone, should they be charged instead? Yes. I think so, yeah. 300%. Yeah. I mean, like, I gotta be honest, it's... That's what's growing up to me. Well, yeah, kids growing up today trying to navigate this whole interpersonal relationship stuff. It's far more complicated than I think it was when I was growing up. And by the way, I don't mean date breaks and shit like that. That's not what I'm saying.

I'm not talking about Bill Cosby and anybody. I'm saying, do me two things with the filler are God. At least I think it is. Oh, yeah. Well, like Gen Z, they're not dating because of this. They don't, they're afraid to ask girls out. They won't, they're just like, would rather be alone than to ask girls out because girls are violently opposed to them. And, you know, they're scared.

They're like, oh, shit. if this relationship goes, goes south, I might get falsely accused. I think they got it wrong, though. I think, I don't think women have changed over the course of years. I think they, A, want to be desired. Sure. B, they definitely want to be hit on by men who they're attracted to. Sure.

Obviously, they don't want to be abused. But, I mean, like, for example, for my, I would tell you a rule that I learned that the kids with my right page of 49, now that I'm half, nearly half a century. There's certain things in a relationship that are necessary. At least I think it is. I could be wrong. Affection, softness, sex. And those things can't necessarily be negated.

None of them. Now, if you get old and both of you just kind of age out of it, fair enough, anytime she wants it, gives it to her plus two, meaning she wants to be desired on top of sexing. Like I don't think the Gen Z is getting it right if they think to themselves. Women hate me. Women don't want me to hit on them, et cetera, et cetera. I think they're getting that shit wrong. I think that is very clearly like Latin X. Like Democrats are using Latin X. And you talk to the Latin American community and they're like, nobody uses the shit. Right. Yeah. Like you're pushing something out from a political ideological framing of things that some people may be accepting, but in real reality, it's not really true. I mean, I can be wrong on that, but that's my take. No, I think you're 100% right. Like, there's just no doubt in my mind at all.

Yeah. Okay. Where are you? Man, I remember I hit on this woman, and she used to work at, oh, what is it called? Not Tower Records. It was a bookstore, Borderer's bookstore in Richmond, Virginia. This was, God, man, this was decades ago. And I was so attracted to her.

And I was so afraid to say anything to her. So I was saying, sure, right? Sure. She was kind of goth. She was white, black, jet black hair. She was into kind of astrological stuff, like new agey stuff. And she ends up putting her phone number in my book, full well realizing. Okay, he's attracted to me.

He's just not saying anything to me. I went to her house, hung out with her. She was terrifying. Like, meaning when it became clear, okay, this isn't going to work. I don't really want to keep this tie going. And it's like, God damn it, now I can't go back to the Borders bookstore. She called the ear. No bullshit.

She called me for a year. Every day at the exact same time, I would never pick up. And she kept doing it for a year. And one day, I thought to myself, what would she say in her voicemails? I never picked up. Oh, she didn't leave you voicemails. No, I never really paid attention to voicemails. And one day I did pick up, and it was her.

It's been like a year. And I thought to myself, you got out this at the ground level. Thank God. Thank God. Right. Meaning it's not just women who need protection. It's men who need protection too from crazy women. No, it's, I mean, it's true.

Like, if you are a dude, I think it's really rough if you're being stalked, no matter who you are. But it's definitely harder if you're, I mean, If you go to the cops and say I'm being stalked, often they tell you there's nothing we can do. Yeah, they're going to laugh. Call us when they've killed you. When she stabs you. When you're a guy, it's even worse. Yeah.

Yeah. No question about it. No question. Yeah, she weirded me out. She just wouldn't let you go. Stalking is a real thing from women. It's a one day. Kill wife or president.

As a Christian, I find Zionist Evangelical's obsession. with Armageddon disturbing. It's a death cult. Robbie, you have to come and talk to us. Well, I mean, before Robbie comes in, he's right. I mean, this idea of worshipping the end of the world is weird. Yeah, like, why would, yeah, like, basically it's kind of like, that's part of the Zionist thing. It's like, oh, it's going to bring about the end times.

Why do we want the end times? The end times sound bad, like it's the dead walk again. Everyone dies. It sounds scary, I guess. Everybody's going to hell. back that's the only thing that seems i guess appealing but otherwise what's good about it yeah but even that everybody's going to hell with the exception of like three people whatever yeah it's probably not going to be yeah it's probably not going to be me who's going to happen yeah yeah it's it's not

good it's bad and i mean the big ted you grew up in the cold way cold war j t you and me we kind of grew up there at the end of it yes and if you if you get the mentality where tomorrow doesn't really matter because you could get atomized by a nuclear bomb they don't really have much there's and that could be wrong on this but i think that if you don't know that there's going to be a tomorrow then there's no real point in investing in tomorrow and investing things that matter building a family building a future and so a lot of christians are checked out especially from social issues because i think what's the point jesus gonna jesus can come back on one hour first that's not about serious they really believe that

oh yeah sure it's your church do they believe that that jesus can come back at any time yeah They do because they don't read their Bibles. It says, if you go through, if you read the book of Revelation, the man of sin is revealed first. And then there's the great tribulation that goes on for three years. But they teach that before the Antichrist comes, they believe in the secret rapture that Jesus calls Christians back. Right. Then the Antichrist comes. That's not what the Bible says.

All you've got to do is just go through and just read it. That is not what it says. There is no secret rapture. and the man of sin must be revealed first, and he rules. And by the fact, the Bible says that he wakes war against the saints and prevails on them. If the days were not shortened, no one would be saved. So the Great Tribulation is going to be real, but Christians go through it. But the evangelicals, the Dispies, they believe in this pre-trib rapture where they get to go out and the rest of the world this gets waxed.

That's not what happens. Well, that's right. That's the way it's always taught that there's a rapture. I don't know about secret rapture, but there's a rapture and that aircraft pallets are being pulled away and planes are crashing into the White House or whatever. Yes. But that's not the way it's written, though. It's not written like there's a rapture, which all the good people leave, and then everybody else just takes the pounding from God. It's not that.

The Bible teaches because what they do is that they conflate the Great Tribulation with the wrath of God. those are two different things. So the tribulation is when the antichrist takes over the world. There's a single global government, single global economy. You've got to have his mark in order to participate, to get a bank, basically. And if you don't, then you can't buy your cell and also you get your head cut off, potentially if you get caught. That is, that's what happens to the Christian.

The rapture happens because, And this is Sunday school stuff. I apologize. I'm going to try to keep this as simple as I can. Where they get this, where the disabilities get it wrong, is that they believe that the tribulation is a part of the wrath of God. It is not. The wrath of God happens after.

So after three and a half years, the great tribulation ends. Jesus appears in the clouds, calls up the saints. The dead are raised first, then those who are still alive. after that the horns blow that's when god declares war on earth and just unleashes living hell on the earth the wrath of god and the tribulation are two different things so there's a finite number that can go at any one particular time it's like a funnel well that's what that's what the disposites believe whereas if you actually studied the bible and read the bible says the man of sin must appear first well no i was going about what you said you were making the point of saying the dead erase first

then God takes the living. Yep. Which means that there's an order of operations and there's a funnel. Everybody can't go at one time. There's a finite device that's being used to pull people from church. Yeah, because there's a trumpet blast. The graves are opened up. The Bible says that the sea gives up its dead.

The grave gives up its dead. The dead in Christ rise first. Then those after are called up with them, and they meet them in the air. and if you go through the book of Revelation, talks about how there's total silence. If I remember, it's like for an hour, like there's no sound at all, like none, and then the horn sound.

And the reason why that's relevant is in the ancient days, back in the old times, trumpists were blown in the time of war. So when the trumpet sound, that is when God is telling Earth, I'm now at war with you. Buckle up. God does that war with Earth.

God goes to war with earth and he burns it up. So for three and a half years, because it's a seven-year period, for three and a half years, God only, God just turns Earth into an ever-living hell. People can't fight back. They can try. How do you fight a God? I don't know. You need to work that shit out, though. God is a risk.

I mean, he just flasked him out. He talks about, you know, how, no, the waters are turning into blood, of wormwood, it crashes onto the earth. We need the signs to shit out. That's my point. God is. It's gnarly. It's gnarly. So I'm glad we won't be here for, I'm glad we will not be here for the wrath,

but we will be here for the tribulation. There's two different things. Good times all. That's what persons believed up to like an hour ago. It's like a lot of content. Yep. A lot of content. Okay.

We have some high school drama. All right. Sensation says, I commented on John Kariaku's video yesterday about you guys, and he replied in a comment back. I certainly didn't ghost them. We're all friends, even if they're a little mad at me for going out on my own. That's really the root of it. I'm staying out of this because I wasn't.

I wasn't there. So it's, you know. At all. Yeah, it's totally awkward. Robbie, I'm a little bit gobsmacked by this. this. We're not mad at, we've talked privately about this many times. We're not mad that he went out on his own. No. As a matter of fact, I wish him the very best right here on this show multiple times. So have you. I don't understand. I mean, honestly, I mean, who can begrudge your buddy

going, you know, having good things happen to them? I mean, it's happened to me many, many times in my life, right? I have many friends who have gone on to TV shows and great success, bestselling books, you know, storied careers, Pulitzer prizes. And, you know, I mean, I'm still friends with most of them. But some people, they go Hollywood and they just, you know, they don't want to deal, they don't want to have their old friends anymore. I get it. It's cool. And that was John. I mean, listen, I mean, what the thing was, it was about the way it happened, and it's about the lies where he said he was quitting everything and he didn't. And, you know, I mean, honestly, he didn't, he could have just said, I'm just quitting the show and nothing else. That would have been fine, but he didn't say that.

So it's kind of like, oh, I'm quitting everything. CIA is telling me to quit everything. And he so then suddenly immediately pops back up on other, on. Tom, every Tom Dick and Harry's podcast. And I'm like, okay, well, it's kind of a shitty way to treat someone who's helped built a show with you for the better part of a year, right? Yeah. I mean, are my missing anything here?

No, and I mean, he told me I was going to be his producer, told me I'd be working with him, he introduced me to the people they was working with there at CAA. When his new show was, it was ready to go live. I was trying to get access to the elements of stuff. So I started making videos. And that's when I was informed, oh, we're not going to need. you. We have our own people are going to be doing this. And then John texts me after that. Robbie, I'm sorry about how this turned out. And up until that

point, it's like, we're going with you. You're going with me. We're going to be building this thing together. It's going to be awesome. It's just there's just never any notice with them. It's like I said last week. It was very transactional. I get it. He's older. He doesn't want to have to work forever. I get it. Just there's a right way and wrong way of doing things. And Burning Bridges is typically not a winning strategy. That's what I'm saying. I'm not mad at him. I wish him the best. I hope he gets out of the house with 40 acres and I wish him all. And a mule. Does he deserve a mule? Give him three mules. Seriously, I'm not. He's already kind of been his own ass, so he's got that covered.

It'd be great having to mule. I don't know what he'd be. Mules are cute. I mean, no, listen, I mean, I mean, I mean, he's welcome to call anytime he wants. And I've I've told me the exact same thing I just told you all. Listen, one, I think that there's one thing people who've watched a show for any length of time will know that I will tell you exactly what I think. And I'm not very good at sugar coating stuff. If I'm mad at somebody, I will tell you, I'm not mad at John Kariaku. I pray for him. I wish I'm the very best.

I do wish that he will work on courtesy a little bit. That would be nice. Yeah. Maybe be a little bit more forthcoming about things that are happening. maybe not pissed on my back of tummy. It's raining. That would be nice. And reach out and call Ted.

You've known Ted for years. Well, he did call yesterday as a result of this view. I'm a little, I mean, honestly, my main thing, there is disgust for the way he handled it. And also, I feel so. I worry about him. Because, I mean, it doesn't sound like he's really making the right decisions. But, you know, I mean. Whatever.

I mean, it's like, but he's wrong if he thinks that it's because he went off on his own. That is just objectively not true. It's not true at all. I mean, how many more times can we say? I wish him the very best. I guess he just doesn't believe us. You know, when you're CIA, you think that there's a hidden agenda. I would be the world's worst spook because I would just tell you right up front.

Putin, you're a pussy. You should just put this thing to bed. Stop playing around. Zelensky. You should probably go live in your villa and, in Vienna, maybe Italy. You'll enjoy it. There's the right way of wrong way of doing things.

I'm a lousy liar. I just can't do it. Well, CIA people are trained to lie, right? It's their job. Okay, Frazzle Driperoni. The question for me, is it's weird that Nick Bougas and a Wyatt man got eulogized by RT and it got 3.3,000 likes and 600. 66 retweets and he was Church of Satan affiliated along with Jim Goad and Pat and Oswald oddly enough.

It's funny, Jim Goad was the crazy-ass alt-a-90s journalist who did answer me, Zine, if people remember that. If you're in your 50s, you are likely to remember that. Yeah, I guess so, but I mean, people need to find their coverage where they can find coverage. I still can't get over the fact that Jeff Connolly of the Liars died, and A, that mainstream media didn't seem to care that much, but the New York Times really cared, the band L-Y-R-E-S from Boston. Truly, people always say this about like force of nature, like a weather event.

Oh, I think he's frozen. He is frozen. And that's such a stellar pose, does his mouth open? Oh, he's back. Oh, did I freeze? You just missed me talking about Jeff Connolly of the Liars. Okay, all right. God, it was such an awesome pose.

You're just sitting there. Your mouth is right open. Look like you're... It's like, well, maybe you should screenshot that just stick something in his mouth. Like, we could do all kinds of things. Well, with AI, all things are possible, right? Absolutely. Okay, here we go.

$50 donation from Sensation 37. Thank you very much. John Kyriaku is still my personal hero, and he introduced me to y'all too. Appreciate you all too. Sorry for the high school drama. Didn't mean it to come off that way. Hey, appreciate the donation and no big deal. The emotional aspect of this for Robbie and I has long faded away.

I mean, listen, people are going to be curious. It's natural. I mean, he's a part of the show for a year and a half. That's a minor part of my beef with John. that he didn't clarify things. And he's still, he's still muddying the waters. He's not being clear here.

He could, he's, he could have just said, like, they're a little annoyed because, uh, I've, you know,

of the way that I just fucking dipped, you know, I love for my drive. That would be, and that's true. I mean, there are people on the comments saying, well,

he left because Ted piss him off or he left because Robbie's racist. And he never said, and he never steps in to say that's not true. I guarantee you that, I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to say it. I'm going to shut up for once. For the first time of my life, I'm going to be so shut.

We rarely regret shutting up. Okay. Any more comments? Not currently. Weird. Well, we could wrap it. We could wrap it unless we have something else you want to talk about. That's funny.

That's funny. I mean, I just, I don't know, man. I hope that, I hope, seriously, but whenever you talk to him later on, hope that you're able just to put this thing to bed. Oh, I would love that. I mean, look, there's nothing to put to bed really. I mean, it's like, you know, I'm not mad. It's like, you know, it's like it just didn't go well.

I mean, one of the best comments I read was like from someone who said, you know, just giving two weeks notice. It's amazing how much like little courtesies like that could really make a difference. And that's really true. I mean, little courtesies are under. are really undervalued, you know. Yeah. I mean, there's the right way and wrong way of doing things.

Like, no, you know, after John let me go whenever I told you else, I had no idea if I was going to be able to keep on doing this or not. Yeah. I'm straight up honest. I'm honest to a fault. That's my, that's all my biggest problems is I just, I say things that I think are true. And I have a very, very, very, very. very very very high tolerance when it comes to social pressure and so I don't really care what

most people think and I just always assumed that whenever someone is if someone tells me something I never asked for a contract because a man's word is enough yeah that's how dumb I am yeah no and I'm and I made the mistake of thinking that with him is like no I mean no there's no business contract here it's just probably we're going to go we're going to go do things we're we're going to be working together for a very long time. And then he didn't have the balls to tell me in advance, Robbie, I'm sorry I have to let, show. CAAs, they're not going to let me work with you. He had to have known before that day, just like he had April 1st, that that was going to be his last

show. Yeah. And then he had his producer Chris over on, over on his other show, deep focus, going out, putting out community posts saying that Ted and Robbie were lying, that there's nothing wrong with deep focus, is not going away, that they're just butt hurt, they're making up stuff. Meanwhile,

what John told us was that CIA was making him leave all of his podcasts and work for them exclusively. So where's deep focus now? It doesn't have John Carriacu. I don't know if it's still around or not. He's not here. we got JT, which frankly, in my opinion, is an upgrade.

JT. Agreed. And that's, by the way, what Method 60-59 says. J-T. is far superior, in my opinion. Also, J-T. Oh, thank you. Do you know how me and you will mix it up sometimes? Yeah.

I would try to fight with John. And he would never do it. Whereas it's you and me, it's just like, let's go. You know, let's just, you know. And it's freaking awesome. Then Ted just, he just backs up. drops out and just watches and it's just it's just well I can know how to do that fight yes I should get popcorn um it's definitely I mean I think I by the way I think these two phenomena are kind of related

psychologically uh if you can excuse some dime store psychology that we should really move on people are right this this topic is boring it's dumb for most people and we should like give it a rest but um you know I think it's the lack of fear of confrontation like the same reason that like He's like, oh, fuck, I have to, I can't believe I have to tell these guys I can't work with them anymore. I'll do it tomorrow. Oh, fuck, it's today. I'll do it tomorrow.

They keep putting it off until it's like there's no, until it's too late. You just have to do it. It's the same thing, like, about why he didn't want to mix it up with you. I think he's, I think he really hates confrontation. John, I fought on air. Like, meaning of him got to fight over the whole Sputnik thing and the Russian thing about what Russia and Ukraine would be willing to accept. And the audience was like.

In fact, I don't even think the audience like the audience was like, just calm down guys, et cetera, et cetera. And it was like nobody was like flipping out. I don't know. I mean, I would say this though. You guys had a relationship in a way that I can't, in fact, I knew that coming into it.

There was no way to supplant. I mean, John McHen. Nor would I ask you to. Yeah, it was just, I mean. It's like, look, when I invited you to be the co-o, I was like, I was just like, just come be the co-host. That was, that was it. Like, it's like, meet tomorrow.

That's why I wanted you. I mean, for me personally, I like you being here because you make me sharp in my argument. There's a lot of people that if you tried to debate something with, either either A, they just retreat back to their ideology or they, and they have their, they have their talking points and they can't actually try to articulate an argument, even against a retard like, me, but you can. And then that makes me sharp in my own arguments that much more. I enjoy it. I love it. Just like we had that fight about the homoaks.

And people thought we were just going to just throw down. It was awesome. I love it. I loved it. I love it. And then. The other, the God.

The J.T. He takes me. We have that. Robbie Hopi Roe case. We're fine. Seriously. I love this stuff. I had no feelings.

It's awesome. I love it. At least that after the fact. I mean, you always argue the point, but you leave it. Yeah, well, of course, you leave your swords at home. I mean, keep in mind, man, I had to, like, we had right wingers all the time on the show. And just, you make your case, they make theirs. No.

Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm used to that. I like, look, honestly, it's, if I had a choice between going on a major show on Fox versus a major show, major show on MS now. I'm going to take Fox, not just because they have more viewers. I mean, assuming the viewers were the same, it's going to be more fun, it's going to be more engaging, it's going to be more interesting. And you're going to be talking to people who don't normally hear from your side. And, you know, and maybe a couple of them are going to say, hey, that guy's not a complete retard, only a partial retard. Yeah, which is, by the way, why Kamala Harris should one on Joe Rogan. But because of the way Democrat

Carr, she couldn't bring herself to do it because, oh my God, Joe Rogan is a white nationalist, which he's not, by the way. Like, they are in an, it's not even an echo chamber. It's, they function in a way that most people don't function. Most people don't create this kind of black list of things that you can't say. I mean, there's a, there's things that we accept, right, that most people will except just from upbringing and those type of things and not wanting to offend people when you're engaging with them and that type of stuff. But they go further.

It's like, well, you can't talk to this person. This person is ex-out for whatever particular reason we're exiled in this particular person from. And Joe Rogan ends up on the Allen and Misfit Toots. Joe Rogan has a podcast that is the largest in history. So you've excluded all of these people who may actually be interested in hearing what you have to say, but instead of the person who goes is Trump and Vance. That's insane. That's just insane.

Even if the majority of the audience thought you were an asshole, that's the other half that at the very least gets to hear from you for the first time. Yeah. I mean, honestly, you're probably going to get, if you're looking to expand your voter base and support, you're better off going into enemy territory and both of them. Because you've already got your people, you know? When Sanders did that Fox News interview, I think it was a town hall. and the majority of the Fox News viewers are like,

that guy makes sense. And the hosts were like, what do we do with this? That's a problem. Oh, by the way, I know what I wanted to bring up. The goddamn it's too late because I have to go. Oh, shit. Vote against socialism by the Democrats who joined in were Republicans to condemn socialism.

I mean, I was joking. It's like maybe the problem is that they really want communism, not socialism. I don't know, but that's a wild vote. like you're attacking your own party. It's like voting against Sharia law. There's no Sharia law anywhere in the United States.

Yeah, there's no Sharia law, but like you have and there can't be. The people who would be socialists are ultimately Democrats. Right. Right. Like people they're calling socialists are just after you are Democrats. Yeah, this is some

It's some fucking neo-Macartheist bullshit. All right, guys. We're to leave it at an hour. We'll let J.T. We'll let you take off. Always a pleasure to both you and Robbie. Thanks everyone for your support as much, a much appreciated. We'll be back tomorrow Thursday at 9 a.m. Eastern time and that'd be

it. Okay, talk to you later. Ciao. Bye-bye.