DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Trump Reports Over $1B in Crypto Income | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• President Trump reaped a stunning windfall in 2025, including $1.4 billion from his family’s cryptocurrency businesses. In total, he raked in at least $2.2 billion. That compares to a minimum of $622 million for all of 2024. One of his biggest hauls was when an investment firm tied to the UAE bought nearly half of the Trump family’s main crypto company, World Liberty Financial, blurring the line between foreign policy and private enterprise. He also collected hundreds of millions of dollars from sales of his $TRUMP memecoin and World Liberty’s sale of its own digital tokens.• In another stunning victory for the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, Melat Kiros, a 29-year-old democratic socialist, clobbers Representative Diana DeGette, a 15-term incumbent and Zionist, in the Denver area. Also, highly-connected Colorado Senator Mike Bennet becomes the first sitting Senator in 15 years to be primaried out.• The US Supreme Court votes 5-4 against Trump, preserving birthright citizenship—barely.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

I'm with Chad Rall and Jamarle Thomas. It is Wednesday, July 1st, 2026. Good morning, Jamarle. How are you? What's going on, man? You're doing okay today? I'm a little bit anxious about the incoming heat. It is July. It's supposed to be hot, but it's supposed to be a scorcher. A hundred heat index, well over 100 degrees, both down there in Richmond. And here, anyway, without getting into the details, everything go okay yesterday?

No. Oh, shit. So I'm supposed, so, okay, so just in case the audience didn't know, I was supposed to be going to Iran to cover the Slane Supreme Leader's funeral. And obviously, like, you have to get visas and everything else. All of this stuff happened almost immediately within like a few days of saying, okay, this is what's going to happen. We're going to be leaving like the first part of July, et cetera. So you only had like a week in order to get prepared. Come to find out, the embassy is only open twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays.

For my reading of it online, it was supposed to be open until 6 p.m. I got there at 2.15, and they closed at 2 p.m. I drove two and a half hours to get that visa. And the trip was supposed to be like tomorrow. Is it still in the Pakistanis, is it still the Iranian interest section in the Pakistani embassy? Yep. That's exactly what it is. So under my assessment,

you can go tomorrow. Yeah, I don't know how it works. I mean, there's no way for me to get the visa. And like people are saying, hey, well, they could send you, because the issue basically you have to pay for it. And for whatever reason, the interoperability between the visa systems of Iran and the United States don't seem to work. So under normal circumstances, you would say, I need a visa from a place. I will go onto the embassy of that place online.

I will put my information in. And within a week, they would evaluate on whether or not they're going to give you the visa. Usually, it's always yes. Their site doesn't work. And so when you're trying to get, let's say, the confirmation code back, it never sends it back. So there's that.

So there's no way you can even go onto the website in order to pay for the visa in the way that you would typically do, which would mean this would have been a trivial issue under normal circumstances. It's not trivial now. So it doesn't seem like, it's going to take place.

I mean, I went, when I had to deal with this to go to Iran, I used a fixer. And it was very expensive. I had a fixer. And we used, and it cost $5,700 for three visas. Well, I had a person who helped get the visa. I don't know the cost of it, but the person helped me on the back end because they could receive the code in a way that I couldn't. but then you're stuck with the issue of how do you pay for it if you were never able to use the system yourself. Like it's just strange.

I don't know how much DeVisa was going to be. But I would have gotten it, especially for the trip. So, yeah, up to this point, not so much. I don't see the way through. And the memorial services are going to be held sooner rather than later if I'm not mistaken tomorrow. Didn't mean you wrong. No, no, no, July 4th. I think it's 3rd or 4th.

Okay, so Saturday, Friday or Saturday. Yeah, I mean, yeah, and obviously it takes all day to get to Iran. It's a very, yeah, I mean, my experience going to Iran was similar. It was complicated and really hard because of the, partly due to the U.S., you know, diplomatic, lack of diplomatic relations with Iran. But the other part of it is the Iranians are, their stuff's always closed. They have a lot of national holidays. they it's very like people are often not around i was like marooned in ashkabad turkmenistan trying to cross the iranian border and going in every day to the iranian embassy there tried trying to get in and it was always if it wasn't one thing it was another right like the consuls not here the you know the guy oh the office is open here but the Tehran office is closed it's always some saint who's got a holiday and i was just

Like, I mean, I did make it in eventually, but it was just, it's an ordeal. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I was annoyed yesterday. I mean, it's one thing if I waste my own time, it's another thing to spend a huge amount of money to waste somebody else. It's time to get up there.

Because, yeah, it's just a mess. Sorry about that. I hope it works out. Maybe go tomorrow. I mean, tomorrow's Thursday. It might be open. Yeah, but that's another six-hour round trip. I mean, that's not.

That's not a trivial pursuit. No, and it's also, and it's a brutal drive with, but always the potential of traffic jams. Yeah, I mean, D.C. is insane. Yeah. I mean, I lived there for God knows how long. I don't know if you were going to move to D.C. at some point, if the networks stayed open. If they do go tomorrow, give me a continuing job, and they were, they were always kind of like, well, you know, no, what's going to happen? And obviously stuff happened.

If you do go tomorrow, I'll cover for you. It's no problem. Seriously, just go early, get it done. I mean, Ted got this? Yeah, it's not that simple. Yeah, we can definitely cover the show, but I don't think that's the concern. No, no, I appreciate you covering the show. But I have, yeah, it's complicated.

Yeah, all right. My mornings are not my own. I have stuff that I have to do in the mornings. And even if I could make that work, the earliest I could leave would be 10 o'clock, 10, 11, 12. one that might work. Yeah, no, you'd need to be able to leave at like seven in the morning and be there when they're door. That's the only way to make that work, especially when you get in a

fancy traffic. Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, well, let's get to it. The President Trump raked, has released his financials for 2025. The it's a malumit paloza. He raked in at least 2.2.2. billion dollars last year alone, most afraid from crypto. So it's mega grift. We've got to talk about that. And also, Democratic Socialist progressives are kicking major ass and taking names. The latest is in Colorado, where a 29-year-old Democratic Socialist defeated a sitting congresswoman for Diana DeJet,

15-term incumbent and a supporter of Israel, the Zionism basically did her in. And this was definitely a shocker. This is in Metro Denver. And also, highly politically connected, Colorado U.S. Senator Mike Bennett is out. He became the first Democrat, the first senator to be primaried out in 15 years. Also defeated basically for being viewed as two inside Washington and voting to confirm some of Trump's nominees. That was too much for the Democratic electorate. So progressive Democrats are ruling the roost, not just in New York City, but now also in Denver. And, you know, we'll see how that spreads. But we got to talk about that. Supreme Court ruled yesterday right after the show that birthright citizenship lives. But we've got to talk about

the how and the why and the narrowness of the vote, I think is really important to talk about as well. It was only a five to four decision. Kind of stunning when you consider exactly what Trump was trying to do just with an executive order. Please like, follow, and share the show. If you have a question and you're watching live on YouTube or Rumble, would greatly appreciate it if you post your question in the live chat. Producer Robbie West, we'll put that up for us. We'll read it and answer it. Priority goes to the super chats on YouTube, the Rumble Rants on Rumble. I'm trying to think what else is going on. Oh, yeah. Q&A show 12 noon today.

So stay tuned for that in just under three hours from now. You can just ask us anything, and that includes Robbie, and we will attempt to the best of our ability to answer that. All right. What do you want to talk about first? Let's go with the Supreme Court one. That one is interesting to me. Okay.

I need you to break down the details of their rationale. Well, I get that it broke five, four, but as you were pointing out, you're saying, that the reason why broke 5-4 is interesting. Yeah, so, I mean, what basically, it was a 5-4 decision. The crossover votes were, well, I mean, sort of 5 to 4, kind of to 1, sort of is the way, or it's really 5 to 3 to 1,

is how it broke down. But basically, Barrett and Roberts crossed party lines and voted with the Democrats, that's the usual suspects, you know, Alito and so on, voted with the president. And basically, one, I think it's Gorsuch, I could be mistaken about that, voted for, voted against the president, but like on different rationale, which was based on a 1940 statute, revising birthright, talking, clarifying some rules about birthright citizenship. But what was fascinating to me was basically Roberts, who, who wrote the decision said that their thinking was that this was settled, that basically the court settled this opinion,

sorry, not that the court settled it back in the 1800s, but that the 14th Amendment's language was clear. And therefore, they kind of like re-heard it and relitigated and redid the arc decision kind of from scratch to clarify it. But I have to admit, I was disappointed. to me, regardless of where you stand on birthright citizenship, the president of the United States should not have the constitutional power to erase a major landmark Supreme Court decision or a constitutional amendment with an executive order, with a stroke of the pen, without even getting

congressional input, much less approval. And that's not what the court looked at. I mean, and what's also, you know, frankly, this should have been a nine to zero easy piece, easy, you can't reverse a constitutional amendment that's been backed up by numerous important court decisions with, you know, an imperial, you know, like your king Louis the 14. You shouldn't be able to do that. And but, but, you know, really none of the justices had a tremendous problem with Trump's approach here, with the methodology. It's not the methodology that went down. It was just the, well, birth, birth, birthright citizenship is a promise that was made back in 1868 shortly after the Civil War. If you're a freeborn citizen of the United States, you're in,

and we're just out reaffirming that, which means that like this leaves the door open for other, for Trump to use executive orders, or any president, to try to overturn, you know, even, you know, an act of Congress or that's been signed into law by a previous president or a constitutional amendment. I find that to be flirting with dictatorship. It's like the enabling amendment in Germany, right, where you effectively made the president a king. You said the president could do pretty much anything to the executive order. An executive order is not meant to be that way, right?

Like an amendment of the United States that is put in by, what, two-thirds of Congress in order to get an amendment through. Amendment is above a law. And he's a thing to get away with an executive vote. Two thirds of the state legislatures also vote for it, right? Right. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's widespread.

That's the trivial. Yeah, I mean, this means it's like for anything to be a constitutional amendment, it has to be something that basically the vast majority of the country is really into. Yes, so much so that you have to go through like lifting weights, like it becomes a structure of the Constitution at that point. It's like you're adding on a limb. Like it's not a law, right? It's not a minor trivial thing.

And for an executive order, something that a president could just eat it out. They've made it as if, oh, where Trump had legitimacy in making this edict against something that was an amendment, when really we shouldn't even be having this conversation. That should be, as you pointed out, 9-0, because it's not even something that is up for debate.

with the executive order. I mean, unless they're saying, executive orders are that powerful, like that we have a new power level in the Marvel universe in this case. Exactly. I mean, like, this is extreme, but let's take the middle of a real presidency, right?

But should executive orders be able to do that? Like, meaning, because, and maybe what the fight is over is what, how far can executive orders go? Maybe that's the fight or that's the war. Maybe we need a constitutional amendment governing that issue because, I mean, and this would be something, I mean, obviously Congress would have to have a veto-proof majority to do and it would have to pass Supreme Court muster.

But it's, I mean, the Supreme Court has already kind of ruled in favor of Trump's wide discretion, for example, to say, hey, you know, I can strip the Haitians and Syrians. hundreds of thousands of them from temporary protected status. I mean, it's kind of like the president has, I mean, executive order, my understanding of this is that the idea of it was, well, the government has a lot of stuff going on and it needs to prioritize some things over other things. And where the executive order comes in, it gives direction to the government to say, to the various government agencies and departments to say, a priority of the Thomas administration,

is we're going to do this and we really want want you to focus on this thing and maybe you don't need to focus on this other thing as much. And that's not what's going on now. I mean, this is a, you know, repeatedly Donald, I mean, this was a breathtaking, you know, power grab. I mean, you're literally trying to change the nature of the country. I mean, who gets to be a citizen is literally, I mean, it's the most basic aspect of what constitutes a nation state. You know, it's like who comes and goes. right, who, you know, who comes in, who gets to come in? But like, what happens to people who are born here? Are they in the club or not? I mean, I would argue it's actually a bigger deal than whether or not you get to vote, you know, because literally it's about your future personally as an individual and it's about the character of the nation state. You know, voting, the truth is, like, elections are never settled by one vote, right? So, you know, voting's not that important.

This is a big deal. Well, I think both are important. I mean, I'm important. Okay, that's more of a philosophical argument. I'm not even going to touch that one. That's a super interesting conversation, though. No, it's a power grab. It's an extreme power grant.

I mean, it really does boil down. Look, from my point of view, power is always taken. And if a government effectively enables the president to rule like a king, then the president will most likely rule like a king and going forward that power has now been taken. Like whether it's the president decided to declare war as an imperial president. Okay, well, Congress is supposed to hold the purse strings. Congress doesn't pull the purse strings, hence we have an imperial president. All of them have been that way, meaning Obama, Clinton, well, Obama, Bush, Biden, etc.

They've taken the power, in which case that is now just kind of looked at as a property of the president. I mean, they passed the war powers resolution and Trump was like, yeah, whatever. He didn't care because he knew they were going to do anything about it. But no, I agree with you. If from my understanding, the executive orders become law the moment they hit your registry. Right? Or correct me from wrong. I don't know if law is really an accurate way to put it. I don't mean law in a sense of like.

Oh, into effect. Yeah, they go into effect right away, right? Right. And so if the president said, you're not a citizen in this country under an executive order, I guess there was always a fight that needed to be met it out on how far executive orders go, but they never really had that fight. They entertained this as being legit. I mean, so let's put this into perspective here, right? We are one vote on the Supreme Court, one, you know, one car accident for,

you know, Sotomayor away from this changing and the, you know, having a different outcome. And again, you know, wherever, I mean, there's definitely arguments, you know, good valid arguments, both in favor and against birthright citizenship. To me, that's not the issue here. To me, it's about the president's ability. I mean, if the country decides, you know, it wants to go in a different direction with birthrighted citizenship and it wants to amend the Constitution again, or at least pass a law in Congress and, you know, see if it passes constitutional muster at the court.

Okay. I mean, then that's the decision that the country has made and that's a political discussion. But this is a legal and constitutional and going to the, you know, issue question that goes to the fundamental character of this country. It's not even just separation of powers. It's literally like, is this a dictatorship? Or is this an authoritarian state? or what is this? I mean, I don't recognize, I don't think, you know, Richard Nixon would have, it would have dreamed of a presidency that had this level of power. In fact, I don't think he would

have approved of it. And he wanted as much power as he could get. But I think, you know, he had enough respect for the system and the Constitution that he wouldn't have liked it. Yeah. Well, again, I made this point in the saying, we need to get out of this idea of good faith actors. Like, meaning this stuff needs to be done in a way where you assume bad faith. Yeah, something has changed. I keep saying, like corruption over time gets worse as people get more used to the system and this revolutionary verve of how you see yourself and standards that you have. They erode, especially when you can get something out of it when you realize that the more they erode,

the more I could get out of this particular system. It's an imperial presidency. like I don't know another word for it. Like they are effectively saying the president is a king and he can do pretty much whatever he wants under executive order. If that's true, meaning you can ignore the amendment. The amendment is not the issue, right? It's whether or not the presidents can just blow it off

and just say, you know, this is now null and void because I say so. Yeah. And then the Supreme Court comes back and say, not whether or not the president has the right to do that, but more on like the merits of it or something like that. It's just very strange. It is very strange. Very strange.

Jamaral, are you up for some comments? Yes. All right, here we go. If he so, I called my congressman Mike Levin and called him a traitor if he votes for Israel's military merger. I'd say, look. If you're driving down the street and you hear a buzzing sound, that might just be a drone. Manchild 5,000 retail investors lost $2 billion. The SEC legalized it by ruling that meme coins aren't securities.

And by the way, thanks for the donation. This financial report is Trump's version of enjoying a post-coital cigarette after fucking thousands. Yeah, that's true. Like if you bought Melania coin, you lost like, what is it, 99.7%. Who would buy that stupid coin? Not me? They deserve to lose that money. They deserve to lose that money.

It's a bond, basically. It's money laundering. It's literally like, hey, Mr. President, I bought Melania coin. You know? Yeah, wink, wink. Or like, there's an airplane. Or here's, you know, I'm going to get involved into this oil business with my kid being part of it. I mean, the level of stealing and just outright corruption is breathtaking.

And then this is this Kafkaesque environment that we're in where we've been. become so normalize. If people want to know how the Soviet Union operated or how Nazi Germany operated on some level where you get this, hey, it is obviously illegal to monetize the presidency. And yet the news would report the president is being monetizing the presidency to the tune of billions. And you can do report after report after report. All of it tracing back to Donald Trump getting a huge amount of money and being brought. It doesn't matter. It's like people see it. It will be reported.

It's not like it's even hidden. And yet, I play my Xbox. Right? It's very strange. It's very strange. Here's an obvious crime. And then you move on. I mean, it is, right? I mean, so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, are we a country of laws or not? And they would say so. Apparently. And you would say the oligarchs in Russia and the people and blah, blah, blah, blah, and so and so. And oh, by the way, the president just got at one point something billion dollars. Yeah. I mean, and the thing is, yeah, I mean, he's literally the chief policymaker of the United States about the crypto space. He does. He absolutely has already issued executive orders, saying that crypto is a go and the United States government should, you know, go easy on regulating it.

And so, I mean, he's benefiting directly. I mean, the conflict of interest is glaring. I mean, Like, there's no question about it. You can't credibly say that there's no conflict of interest. By the way, not just on this. No. It's across the board. Totally. Like when Jared Kushner ends up somewhere or when, you know, Steve Whitkoff and his kids

ends up somewhere, these guys are making policy and then has a business arm going in in order to benefit in a financial sense from the policy that the president is making. And Republican lawmakers from the president's own party, They should be pissed about this. They should care. They're supposed to care about it. You know? I mean, it should be at this point.

It's like, no, you've gone too far. This is like when you find out that like your close relative is a pedophile. You know, you love your relative, but you got to call the cops. I mean, you know, it's just too much. All right. So John McAkefeller, I just wish we writeies had a comparable group of younger insurgents. All we have is Groyper's and Kirk fanboy. always. No arguing there. Jibari Media, Zelensky tried to clip a Ukrainian Monaco in Monaco.

Thanks for the caller. Europe needs to get used to that, by the way. You love those Nazis when they were in Ukraine. Wait till they. They're coming to you. They're coming to you. Monaco is just the beginning. It's just the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Michael Williams is taking issue with probably, but what both of us are saying, no birthright citizenship was for a specific group of people enslaved black Americans. Well, that's not what the Supreme Court decided twice, at least twice. Yeah.

And it's also not in the original. I mean, the original sponsors of the amendment traveled the country in 1868, 1867, and gave speeches in Congress. And they made very clear that it was their intention to have people who were born here become citizens. I mean, don't forget, we'd already had mass immigration by then, right? We already had massive waves of German, Italian and Irish immigration, the first wave following the revolutions of 1848 in Europe. So it's not like, you know, we didn't have like the streets of the Lower East Side filling up already. And so it's not like, this isn't one of those like, oh, by the way, like, you know, like, you know, let's like dig into the Constitution and gin up a privacy right and then gin up a right to do abortion from that. This isn't that. It's not duct tape and bailing wire.

And I've got to be honest, it's besides the point. It's not about whether or not Trump was enamored by birthright citizenship. It's not about whether or not people agree with it or disagree with it. There's a legal remedy for that. If indeed you feel that strongly about it and the country agrees with you. This is about whether or not the president is a God emperor. It's that. That's exactly. You know, like the Supreme Court should have not even entertained this for, I mean,

or if they're going to entertain it, entertain it from the perspective of, we are delineating the powers of the executive order and how far executive orders can go. But that's, they almost gave credence to it by definition, because they went into the legalities of what they were talking about, as opposed to dealing with the fact that the president shouldn't have this power. Like if I go to court for something, if I say, I want to sue Randall person for something, the court would say you don't have standing to bring this to the court. Yeah.

Same thing. That comes up a lot. P.W. Walker, what would be wrong with President AOC using an executive order to gut the Second Amendment? Right. It's the same thing. Yeah. It's totally the same thing. Let's see. Marco is an anchor baby. That's true. Yeah. Oh, the irony. Okay. Alexander G. At some point, you have to have enforced borders or you can't have a welfare state. A country is supposed to be for and by its people, not everyone else. This is for Americans to figure out, though. I don't know.

True. I agree with that. Totally true. Yeah, I agree with that. I don't take issue with that. That's separate from the Second Amendment, I mean, from the amendment, though, on birthright citizenship. Both can be true. Thanks, Quinn, for the $10 donation. I was at a Pride Festival the other week. There was a booth that literally said gay socialists for gun rights. Any hope for right-wingeres like Robbie and gay socialists to coalesce. Rob, Robbie, are you going to coalesce with some gay dudes? Well, I mean, if you, listen, what you do in your house, I don't care. What I have a problem with is whenever these people who sponsor these parades,

then look at me and say, you stop telling people by Jesus. How dare you shove your religion down my throat? Meanwhile, yeah, they're doing this. I mean, who you sleep with should not be a matter of public celebration. That's the part for me that I don't understand. What if a man and a woman are on a bench in a park and they kiss? Is that showing their sexuality also? Or holding hands.

Well, I think it's probably a little bit different than a parade down Main Street, don't you think? I mean, and also- But you said they're showing their sexuality off or something like that. I mean, that doesn't even require a parade. Or like a certain singer-songwriter marrying a football player in Madison Square Garden. Okay, so let me see if I can articulate this in the way that makes sense because unlike the two of you, I think that birthright citizenship is a disaster. It should ever be a thing and that Trump did this the wrong way to make sure that I think he,

I think it was a poison pill. I think he did this deliberately to blow it up. That way he could show his base that this is, look, I'm fighting for you. Those evil Supreme Court people, they blew it up. So it is what it is. I think that's what this is. I wouldn't hear him. If he knew his doom film beginning.

Well, I don't know if he was good. It was formative. Oh, for sure. Yeah, but it would have been a way that could have had dramatic consequences. Yeah, he could once again have been a dog who caught a car. Yeah, yeah. Maybe I don't think so because even someone as dumb as him knows an executive order is not a law. And it's not a...

One vote away from it working, though. One vote. So what? But you got on a good show. But to get back to the point about what the question is, if you sleep with is a personal preference, And this whole LGBT thing, in my opinion, is just the new state secular religions. It's like, you guys show how good of a tolerant liberal you are or how good of a person is that you are. And if you don't, then you're, then you're just excluded from the public conversation.

I think that's really what this all boils down to. I sleep with a black woman. I should not get a parade saying, here's to all the Oreos out there. Who cares? who you sleep with does not matter. Robbie, this is one of those cases where I'm saying you're, and I don't mean this poorly, you're looking at this from a white male perspective. Because I'm a white male.

Right. But you got to see this from the other side of this. Like meaning if you were never in a situation where the country itself either kept you in a closet, saw you as being something to revow, or for that matter, institutionalized, laws and everything else in order to denigrate you as an individual. And I'm saying that to say that if you were in that situation, you may have a society or let's say a culture that is, in some respects performative, but in some respects, pushes back strongly against those agreements. And you can say, well, dude, we're in 2026. But that doesn't necessarily change

the fact that all of those things took place. There was no break in time. And society's cultures create means of dealing with levels of opposition. And what are those means is James Brown, I'm Black and I'm Proud, or rappers showing bling and talking about how much ass they get because of, you know, this idea of feeling less than a man. And so they need to be supermen in regards to the way they define masculinity. I'm saying, and again, I'm not saying this poorly. I'm saying you're looking at this from a certain context, but their context is not. I'm looking at from a Christian context because homosexuality and Christianity is an abomination. That is the context I'm looking at it for.

So if you really want me to tell you what I think, I'll tell you what I think. It should be illegal if we live in a Christian country, but we do not. Now, the question is, can Robbie look the other way and make common cause with someone over civil liberties with someone that he does not agree with on that issue? The answer is yes, I can. It's not an issue. What do you mean? It's, is your sexuality an issue? Meaning is the fact that you find your black woman attractive? Is that an issue?

No, because it's not condemned to the white. Meaning, so I don't think black women should go with white men. Now it's an issue. Does I say that? Do you give a shit about my agreement on your sexuality? I do if it's enforced by the point of law. I mean, no, hate crimes are a thing. If you're a, if you're a protected class, based off who it is,

is that you sleep with and you are held to a different legal standard that is a problem like me i only i only as you know i'm a business owner i own a company right so if someone comes to me and and he's an open homo he's like robbie i want you to make a video uh for my gay pride event i will tell you no i can then get sued for that for for civil rights I think you have to like to say no. That's the issue. Well, you can't be sued for it anymore, right? Due to the Denver Baker case.

But that's the point I'm trying to make, though. Once you start carving out of exceptions for people because of what you look like or who you sleep with or any other number of things, then justice is no longer blind and you don't have equal representation under the law because at that point, you're then putting weights on that scale. That's the whole issue. That's the problem that I have. They didn't put the weights on the scale. The society itself put the weights on the scale when it had opposition to the fact that those people existed.

As you pointed out, for you, it's an issue. For them, it is just their sexuality. I'm saying it's not more of an issue any more than you and who you sleep with. It's something that people make an issue. It's a difference in those things. Nobody says, you know, breathing air is an issue for people. Because everybody does it.

It's assumed that people do it. It's just understood as the way they operate. Nobody says same-sex relationships are a, quote, issue. But they do say it about homosexuality because it was made an issue in this country. We have laws in this country about sex between same-sex couples, that you could be arrested for stuff like that. I mean, the guy, well, we're not talking about Britain. But I hope you get my point.

It's not the very fact that we call it an issue when it's really just the sexual. between the people. I'm not so sure, you know, I wanted to, and we do need to move on. But, Robbie, I'm curious, like, for people like, you know, conservatives, Christians, you know, are, I mean, do you, I mean, do you, I, I, I lived in New York City for most of my life. You know, it's a huge gay city. There's, and even so, you know, you know, you know.

There's not a lot of PTAs, even in Manhattan, on a day-to-day basis between, you don't see a lot of, it's very rare to see two dudes holding hands or much less even kissing each other on the lips to say goodbye. Even in the village, you don't see that very much. You know, gay pride parade is once a year. You know, you kind of have to make a point to go see it. The odds are you'll miss it. You'll be home when it's going on. You know, it's like it's not like it's, you know what I mean? You get a whole month celebrating where you put your dick, Ted.

Come on. What? You get a whole month celebrating where you put your dick. Don't listen. Nobody's spending the month like it's not like, oh, it's another day. It's another like man on man, you know, it's travaganza. Everybody go out and suck another dude's cock. It's not like every day in a month.

It's sort of like it's a pride month and you don't remember it or think about it, right? Okay. I need you to do me a favor. Stop pissing on my back and tell me it's raining. And you asked me a question, I gave you an answer. I mean, I'm just saying like how much do you, I mean, especially where you live, there can't be that many, like so much, that much gay culture in your face, up in your face, right? Again, to address the issue, the question that was asked, can I make common cause with someone for civil liberties?

The answer is yes. I 100% can. Cool. I'd do that right now with the two of you. True. Where the line is crossed is when with the force of the state behind you, you then say that I have a protected statute. It's kind of like your precious Syrians or your precious Afghans. You're Afghani traders.

So you seem to have no problem coming here. Oh, I have. That's the whole problem with it. These are issues are being conflated. My, no, really at the end of the day, what my question is, is who the hell is looking out for the American people? the answer is nobody that's the issue that's the question and you can suck a dick or whatever else that you want to do if we can get on board with that and if you're willing to accept the fact that i believe what you do in your bedroom is the abomination but i'm not in your bedroom so i don't care

right then we can work together however you start coming out with me swing and say robby you're a big of you all these other things you'd be debanked deep platform you'd be put in jail because all this stuff. Fuck you and the horse that you wrote in on. I'm being very clear here. That is my stance. That is where I will. That's the hill I will die on.

We can work together on sleep. I can accept that. Well, a lot of people can't. And as you can tell, I'm kind of pissed off right now because we have so many more bigger issues going on in this country right now. And we've got wedge issues like,

oh, Johnny and Tim, like how brave they are because they fuck each other in the ass. Who cares? at the end of the day. Seriously, who cares? I mean, having never been fucked in the ass or having been pegged, I think it would require some courage.

Well, let me know. I recently had those anal skin tags removed. And let me tell you, when I dropped chow and exposed my holiest of hollies to that proctologist, I was like, you know, it was scary. So I kind of think, you know, it takes some nuts to let something up in there. It requires some courage. That's the quote. You know what I wish,

honest to God, this is something I mean, and the two of you all are just over here just crapping over this whole concept of birthright citizenship. I've made this argument multiple times. Knowing cares, fine. Fair enough, the Supreme Court. Oh, they ruled on it twice. Fantastic.

Back in the 1800s, they'd have airplanes. You have massive demographic change. You have the influx of millions of people come across the border every single fucking year because they couldn't get here back then. Now all of a sudden it's an issue and there's no one on the left or the right who gives a single solitary flying fuck about the American people. That's the issue. If you'll stand with me for that, I'm 100% in your corner. Nobody's taking issue.

I don't think we made. I don't think we crapped on the birthright citizenship in and of itself. I think we were crapping on the issue of the Trump being able to just blow it away with the executive order. Birthright citizenship was never a thing unless you were a slave. Trump did this the wrong way. And I think he did that deliberately in order to. put this issue to bed once and for all because he wants those sweet sweet uh no age one b visas and he wants open borders just have the democrats do and the problem is he has to find a way to

life to his base the people who still are still stupid enough to believe him that's what this is well robie first of all two things statistically um about 250 000 people a year emigrated to the united states in the 1850s and 1860s i just looked it up so they did no planes but they were able to get here by boat and the majority of every one went back home, didn't they, Ted? No, not according. No, this is the net migration. And then also the other thing is that like the number of people, birthright citizens, you know, the kids, number of citizens who are coming in that way, you know, like, you know, being born here by foreign parents is really a small percentage of immigration into the U.S. I mean, if you're, you know, a

nativist and you're trying to, you know, America, keep, keep foreigners out, that's a, that's a, that's a trickle, right? The real flow is like these massive is people overseeing their visas. It's like the open border policy that Biden had. That's where the real, you know, that's where the border for a hundred

single fucking years, Ted, no none. Zip, Zilch, zero, none. Close the border. That's the answer. Answer to what? The problem. That's the issue.

It's, it's, it's, it's, I think a hundred, You know, we should never have any policy to do anything that's 100 years long, period. Yeah. I mean, I just, no, we can play with it. Maybe we can make it 99, maybe 90. But the point I'm trying to make is, the point that I'm trying to make is, is if you, have me the one of you ever been to Gary, Indiana? Yes.

What does it look like? It is a hellscape. It is a unique post-industrial, hyper-rust belt, super mega-polluted hellhole. And who's looking up for them, Ted? Living there. Who's looking up for those people? Who's looking out for the people down the street in Columbia Falls, a little town that you stayed at whenever you came to visit me last year?

Who's looking at for me? No, look, you and I are on the same page. And the people. I will repeat what I've always said. No, the United States should not be importing foreign workers, as long as the unemployment rate in the United States is over 0%. Period. I can agree with that.

And I mean, you probably need to even go further because the truth is that like if, you know, it's not enough to just have full employment. You also need to eliminate under employment. You need to make sure wages are not depressed, which, you know, is not in the situation. But at least bare minimum, right? Okay. So let's do. I think we agree on this. Like, yeah.

I don't think we have radical disagreement on this front. I think birthright citizenship is a beautiful. used sometimes. But like the fact is, sometimes. Every day. But it solves some big, but it solves a bigger problem than it creates. You know, so that's the thing. I mean, countries

like France that don't have it have second, third, fourth generation illegal immigration and these people end up living in a permanent underclass, in the shadows. If they, you know, if they see a terrorist in their community,

they're not going to call the police and tell them, because they're afraid of getting busted themselves. That's not good for society. They're afraid to call the fire department if they see someone's house burning. That's not good for society. You want people fully integrated, you know? Okay, so the problem is, Ted, and we just like what happened in, well, you said all over the west. You don't need to integrate if you have a welfare state.

The whole reason people integrated back in the 1800s is because there was no welfare state in order to be a success in the United States, I would say that you have to forget your culture. But you have to come, you have to learn English, and you have to at least nominally adopt the culture from which you came. There were no high-fated Americans. If you were an Italian or a Russian or a Brit or whatever,

you come to New York, you go through Ellis Island, you process through, you're not getting, you're not getting... Those were all illegal immigrants, by the way, right? I mean, they didn't come with visas. They just showed up, like a hair on the soup in the French expression. They were illegals, all of them.

It was just like no difference than Eagle Pass, Texas, under Biden. I mean, they just showed up, hoped for the best. And it was like, oh, you might not have TB. All right, you're cool. Come on in. The whole point is, and I'm saying out of the chats,

you're an immigrant. I am not an immigrant. I can assure you I have 100% am not an immigrant. My ancestors hoped to conquer this continent. They didn't steal it. They didn't settle it. They came here.

They took ass, they own it. So I'm not an immigrant. So first off, screw you. Second, when it comes to- I mean, you say that. I'm like, but then you criticize the Zionists who did the same thing, right? Yeah, because we're doing the same thing. Listen, I get it, but here's the difference of it, is that the United States is funding the genocide.

So that's the problem. What's the difference? That's the issue. Okay. No, no, no. I'm saying what's the difference? If you can harness some power, whatever that power is, in order to come. conquer a particular country. That's effectively what you were chest-thumped about. We didn't steal it.

We conquered it. Correct? Well, the Israelis- That's the story of human history. But you know what? The Israelis can't do it on their own. They have to be financed and supported by other people from all around the world. And then the whole time while they're doing it, they're playing the victim card. Also, let's, let's keep in mind, we're talking about November. My ancestors came over here in the 1600s. It was a radically different age, is a different time. It was a different world. The reason I bring that up, is no you get these clowns in the chat robbie you're an emmerant no brother i'm not an emigrant my family's been here for over 400 years and unlike the israelis i got receipts so i mean right at some point my family came here i could i'm sort of a anchor baby my mom you know became a citizen

after me my mom married my dad um came here to the united states got a green card um she that was It was 1961. I was born in 63. Obviously, I was a citizen at birth. But my mom didn't get citizenship until the bicentennial year of 1976. Did she stick across the River Ted or did she come in legally? No, she came illegally. She married my dad. Immigration policy at that time was very easy. If you married some American, you were in. Then welcome to a world, but welcome to America. That's the whole point. That's the whole point of the issue right now.

We don't even know what the rules are. the key native here, considering my grandfather was Native American. Yeah. You guys, you guys weaseled your way in across the barriers. Taking advantage of loose Ice Age borders. No, that was pretty wild. The whole LAMBridge. And then walking.

Now, here's the question that I have. If that's true, if that's true, why did they bring horses with them? why didn't they? Why didn't they? Because horses are not indigenous to the Americans. I don't think the horses could have made it. But we don't know because I mean if the climate was different, if it was cold enough. It was the tundra, right, when they came across that shit. And these were basically like Mongols, right? So they were they were like, these were tough fucking people who like lived under brutal conditions.

and they trudged across the ice across North, you know, the Arctic and made their way here. I mean, it's fucking incredible. Assuming that's probably me to wrap my head around. I can't get over the Polynesians, right, who came all the way across the Pacific diagonally to the United, to the Americas, in dugout canoes, right? Like, hey, we're going to dig out a log and just get on the high seas. Yeah, just where it goes. balls yeah that's

were they colonizers ted Polynesians should they pay reparations I would say since no human beings lived here at the time

by definition they're not colonizers I'm talking about the I'm talking about the Polynesians not the Indians I'm talking about the Polynesians there was no one here so therefore they're not colonizers

they're OG so the Polynesians were living in Florida at the time well pollen there was nobody there no

whether it doesn't look like their populations survived right they're not in the gene pool so it doesn't look like they made it i think that probably goes as far as hawaias say this is this as far as we can go i think they got here and there and somehow they just it's like james first jamesown settlement it just didn't go well you know so jill do you'll have any do you have any more questions for me before i go back to producer land before i just set more on fire probably you can go back we got to think para illegal Thank you for the very generous $50 donation. Thank you so much. Really, truly appreciate you.

All right. Ted and Robbie, this is a question for you. Sean Pat, have you been to a pride parade? I have many times. It's not so much the floats as it is the revelers, a lot more than kissing on the street, or maybe the city of big shoulders is more wild. That's Chicago, right?

The city of big shoulders? I've only been the one. A friend of mine went through this art where she realized that she was gay or realized, owned it. I don't know, whichever one it was. And she was going through this period of, I don't know, it was like she was married. The marriage was tanking. All of this stuff was going on in once. But she started getting more into the LGBTQ culture of stuff and obviously relationships.

but she was at one of the prior parades, and I went to support her. So it wasn't, I mean, I don't know. It's like, oh, my God, that man has his penis out. Like, okay, like, it's in a parade, right? Or it's like, oh, my God, this guy hit on me. Okay, well, I'm in a gay, like, I'm in a gay festival, and you're a guy.

It's not shocking. It would be insulting if no one hit on you. Yeah, right? I mean, seriously, I remember, When a good friend of mine came out to me as bye, and he's like, oh, you know, men, women, but I'm not interested in you. And I'm like, what the fuck? You're a whore. You'll fuck anything, but not me.

I'm not gross. Like, but I'm off the limit. I felt that way. I had another friend of mine who was, she was gay. But she would go vacillate back and forth. I guess she would buy, but she was more gay. And I remember one of her friends when they asked her, it was like, hey, you two never hooked up. And it was kind of like, yeah, I've always wondered that.

Yeah, it's like, well, it's really funny. There was a very famous woman, I will not say who she was that I went to college with, who she was like, I mean, she was a magnificent slutty girl. I mean, and I only say that, like seriously with full admiration, because I was a very slutty boy. So, and one time she shows up in, at my room, wearing nothing but a full-length mink coat. And she's like, come on it's ridiculous that we haven't fucked yet i mean we're overdue i'm like i was like you're

right i was like we both fucked everyone else like let's get let's do this you need it to just jesus christ that's funny that's funny i was very that's funny um i have never i have never been to one you'll be shocked to us it's not terrible i i didn't it's actually very fun very it's very theatrical. There seems to be, I would say, a lot of energy around it. Yeah, but it was, I mean, I don't know. It's joyful. Yeah. Everybody seemed to have a good time. Everybody seems to be on good terms. I don't know. I didn't feel straight people or you know, fuck Jesus. Exactly. It wasn't that. And it didn't feel, I didn't see this like men hooking up with each other. Like, I didn't see that stuff. It just seemed like a festival of sorts. Yeah. Y'all are welcome to it.

I will stay in my little right-wing echo chamber. I mean, Rodney, it's not like I looked for them to go to. I was supporting a friend of mine, and I just didn't see any issue with it. I just really don't really like parades. So, you know. Listen, I mean, listen, this is where the, the, the, the civil stuff comes in. Do whatever you want, I don't care. It just works two ways.

If you won't be telling you about Jesus, stop telling me about how much dick you suck, because I don't care. All right, listen, more comments. Time is short here. Ray, Ray C, thanks for the two bucks. Remind folks to chat to help the show. Yes. Please remind.

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Thank you very much for that, Robbie. One insult for Robbie. Brian, we can't get Robbie to stop with the extreme right views. Trust me, I can tell? Can we at least get him to put on a clean t-shirt? This is a clean t-shirt. My wife washed it last night. Personally, I don't need Robbie.

Robbie's point of view is his point of view. I don't, I guess I don't know why. It's widely shared to, which is also adds to the interest, I think. I mean, honestly, there's not a lot of fora where this, I don't know. I don't know of another fora where we have where this kind of dialogue happens. So I think it's valuable for that reason alone. Sam Palmasano, thanks very much for the $20. Are y'all chronic nappers or do y'all push through the day and go to bed early?

My parents are about y'all's age and they need a nap every day. So I was wondering if y'all shared that's dad. Thanks. I tend to go until I keel over, like to like not off. Yeah, I'm like you. I get up early. Honestly, I might have like two, three naps a year. It's like very rare.

When I do, I'm always happy that I did. I just go and go and go like the Energizer Bunny, and I usually crash around in the around 8, 30, 9 o'clock. I'm kind of like done and time to hit the, you know, maybe watch something or, you know, read something. And then that's all right. So we got to talk about the elections. And we're still reading the tea leaves, but it looks like, again, more reason for Democratic centrist, corporatist assholes to be upset.

Melot Kiroz, 29 years old, Democratic Socialist, clobbered Representative Diana DeJette, a 15-term incumbent who got support from APEC in greater Denver. Also in Colorado, Senator Mike Bennett, who you might remember as the brother of New York Times editor James Bennett, who was deeply involved in the Sarah Palin situation is become, he just got primaryed out of the U.S. Senate. Big deal. And, you know, I mean, I think you're going to still see, you're going to see more pushback from the centrists, but, you know, this is definitely worth watching. I mean, I think it's a loss of credibility on there.

So, like, the center just doesn't. Do you remember the book during the Obama era? It was like the center holes. And it's Obama beating back the lefties, I suppose, and beating back the right wingers. Okay, well, the center, that was temporary. Or maybe it's not, but it seemed like a temporary thing. How often can you fail and still continue to get elected? And I think what took place with Trump, I think?

It's the same thing that's going to take place with the Democrats, just on the other side. They lost credibility. the regular Republicans were replaced by the Trumpers. And whatever the Trumpers thing means, it's just a call to personality, ultimately. But it is what it is. And it seems like something similar is happening on the left. Totally. We didn't get a chance to really talk about Trump's grifting.

So the good news is in two hours, we have the Q&A show. So I think we can start with that. And so if you were hoping to hear our thoughts about that and whatever breaks between now and then. anything you guys want to talk about more to the point please check that out a tmi show with manila and i coming up right now uh jemarle back solo 7 a m tomorrow 12 noon for q and a show all right i think that pretty much covers everything um thanks everyone for the generous donations today uh we can't do it without you and um roby thanks for the spicy chit-chat as always and uh we will see you guys later.

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