DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Trump’s Newest Nazi Knock-Off | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• Trump’s DOJ will denaturalize 17 U.S. citizens convicted of crimes such as health care fraud, wire fraud and other unlawful conduct. Denaturalization is extreme and rare in democracies, and at scale was most recently used by Nazi Germany during World War II to deport Jews to death camps. Also, a judge voided Trump’s $100,000 application fee for H-1B visas.• Trump repeats his claim that a deal to end the war in Iran could be reached in “two or three days,” and that the Strait of Hormuz would reopen “immediately” after such a deal. Trump said that the two parties are in the final stages of a “very, very good deal that will not in any way allow nuclear weapons.”• A study records the highest number of conflicts between states since World War II, and the highest number of fatalities recorded since the Rwandan genocide. There were 65 active conflicts in 2025, according to the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) at Uppsala University. The number of direct conflicts between individual states doubled from the previous year to eight — the highest number of such conflicts since UCDP began collecting data in 1946. They included the wars between Russia and Ukraine and between Iran and Israel, as well as conflicts between India and Pakistan, Thailand and Cambodia, and Israel's conflicts in Syria and Yemen. The final two are: the border conflict between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the conflict in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden between the U.S. and U.K. against Yemen's Houthis.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

Good morning. You're watching the program with Ted Raul and Jamar Thomas. It is Tuesday, June 9th, 2026. Thank you so much for joining us. Please like, follow, and share the show. If you are so inclined and you're watching in the 9 o'clock a.m. on the East Coast hour live, please go ahead and put your questions and comments in the chats on Rumble and YouTube, especially appreciative of your super chats and your Rumble Rants. and producer Robbie West, we'll put those up. Today we'll be mainly talking about some topics that are dear and dear to JT and myself, foreign policy and war and peace. New study shows that there are currently more wars going on on the planet

than at any previous time since the end of World War II. 65 current nation-on-nation conflicts. Kind of insane. There's only like 211 countries. So it's like basically if there's 65 conflicts, because it means half of the world is fighting each other. And also, there's more deaths occurring from warfare than at any time since the end of World War II. Also, Trump, again, says that he's ever so near a deal with Iran, ever so near two or three days.

And our lead story, that very strange story, Trump is going to denaturalize 17 American citizens, something that the last time it happened on Moss was in Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany and Nazi occupied Europe, which was used as a way to deport Jews to their deaths at death camps. So, yeah, where shall we start? I kind of want to start with the World Cup, if I'm being honest. Let's go, World Cup. Let's do it. I, you know, a couple of politics all over the world. And in having these conversations, oftentimes people from either China or someone would say,

hey, the U.S. should get his house in order before these African Americans are telling us what we should or shouldn't do. And I say to them, hey, you're right. And I would use this kind of Hitlerian thing of, yeah, but if we were in Nazi Germany and we dissented, what would that matter? We'd get arrested, prosecuted. And it took the external world in order to get involved in regards to basically. basically destroying Nazi Germany in regards to ways of behaving. I think in similar ways about the US, maybe not necessarily the destruction,

but definitely from the standpoint of the rest of the world. And you have a World Cup in the middle of the US waging wars of aggression against Iran, wage wars of aggression against Venezuela, going after Cuba, meaning we have been creating all sorts of havoc around the world in addition to paying and funding a genocide. Not to mention, if you're using our military,

the country committing that genocide, why the F are any of these countries coming to the United States for the World Cup? And when the U.S. humiliates one country after the next, having them doing metal, you know, like checking them with metal detectors, meaning players, like, I'm scanning them like their drug mules coming into the country, humiliating one country after the next, disallowing people from certain African countries, like that from Citadel who they didn't necessarily allow to participate and he was a referee of all people and we're doing this in this kind of most racist way that you could think of doing it and i think to myself well you shouldn't have came but meaning none of these countries should have came to the u.s for the world cup i don't care

how employed they believe the world cup is obviously the behavior of if this was nazi germany holding the world cup with countries have come and i come to the conclusion Probably yes. We know because the Nazis sponsored the Olympic. They hosted the Summer Olympics of 1936. Yes. And the whole world came, including the United States. Jesse Owens.

That was the Jesse Owens one. That's right. Or correct me from wrong. Yeah, that's right. Jesse Owens one. Yeah, that was the Jesse Owens one. I guess I'm saying all of those countries should have boycott the U.S. Mind you, if I remember correctly, FIFA,

didn't allow Russia to participate because Russia started, quote, unquote, the war in Ukraine. Okay, what the F is this? This seems to be outrageous to me that these countries, A, decided to come. Look, I get U.S. behavior. But racist countries are going to behave in racist ways, especially when you have a president at the head of it, that has no compunction about getting across. We hate the rest of the world. We don't want you, especially if you're coming from African countries,

coming into the United States, but any particular reason. Even provoking the Iranian, like, even that part is mind-blowing. Iran, apparently, their team has to stay in Mexico. They don't even allow Iranians to come to support their team, and the visas and whatnot. They were supposed to get into the tickets were just completely revoked. And you think to yourself, where's the solidarity? Why don't other countries, or let's say other teams say, we are not participating under these terms? And yet, that's not the way it functions.

Agreed. You know, I've read a lot about the 1936 Olympic Games. You know, I collect propaganda ephemera, and I have a lot of even Nazi-issued pamphlets from the 1936 Olympic Games. One of the things that's notable is, you know, The Germans really rolled out the red carpet in 1936 for the world because they knew they were a pariah state. And they were trying to make a good impression and say, look, we're not as bad as you guys. Thank you. We're making Germany great again. And the thing is, they didn't do the things that you're describing.

No teams or fans were prohibited from traveling to Germany. They didn't say, oh, Jews from other countries can't come to Germany, too. witness to attend the games. No team was banned. And also, they did a better, they did a good job. That should count for something too. I mean, here you have all the behavior that you described that is morally reprehensible and disgusting and should not be countenanced by civilized people. On top of that, we're, you know, I mean, the overcharging, the lack of proper infrastructure, the inability to host properly in cities like New York City, the fact that we're, you know, that we're that we're mistreating,

that we just were overcharging like crazy. I mean, at Sochi, for example, right? When Russia hosted the winter games, transport was free to within the country for people who were attending the games. You know, Russia, like, wanted to make it as seamless and easy. as possible to shuttle people around. They didn't say, oh, if you're from this country that we don't get along with, you can't come. They didn't do that, right?

The point is, we're big dicks, and it would be really easy to boycott this event. Easier than 1936 in Berlin, in that 1936 in Berlin, the Nazis were on their best behavior. We're not at the level of the best behavior of the Nazis. I mean, that's the truth. Yeah, not only does it suck to be here, it sucks to get into the country in the first place. Right. You are pariahs.

And yet, I mean, there's no solidarity with this stuff. And I mean, solidarity in the sense of, hey, we don't like the fact that you're treating the Iranian team poorly. We don't like the fact that you're revoking the permits. We don't like that you're treating the Africa team's racist in just the most racist of terms in the way that you're treating them. We don't like that. And because we don't like that, as a group, we're saying F off. We're not participating. Okay, that doesn't seem to be part of the calculus.

That doesn't even seem to be part of the conversation. They should have boycotted this event. All of those teams should have boycotted this event. I mean, I would argue for more reasons on that. But even from a standpoint of solidarity reasons, they should have boycotted this event. Well, there's, and the thing is, I mean, I mean, normally, you know, there's one really strong argument against boycotts, which is, you know, if you decide not to go to a pariah country, let's say apartheid South Africa, then you don't have an ability to influence them. You don't have the ability to interact and bring West, you know, better values to that country. But in this case, you know, that argument goes out the window because the U.S. isn't letting everyone in, right? So they're not letting, for example, I mean, I think Americans could learn something from hanging out at a cafe or a bar cheering on with sitting next to Iranians and meeting them, right? That would not be a bad experience for a New Yorker to go back home and say, oh, man, I had partied with some Iranians. They were awesome.

wouldn't be bad. That's, you know, but we're not, Trump isn't allowing that. So therefore, in a way, he's already kind of imposed a partial boycott. So, you know, out of solidarity, I agree with you. I'm not, I'm not always on team boycott. But I think in this case, you know, it's, it's like, it, it would have made sense. I mean, people just do what they want to do. And it's like they justify it after the fact. And I think that's what we're seeing here. I mean, to me, the boycott thing depends on the situation. Right.

Like it's not an absolute. And I don't come to the conclusion like in this kind of just absolute sense. I come to it in this case because of behavior. Like was the U.S. backing a genocide, yeah or nay? The answer is yes. Definitively, the world looks at it in those terms. We were contributing billions to it. Did the U.S. go up in the Dura?

The answer is yes. Were these unprovoked wars of aggression? Yes. Was the killing of the fishermen in the Caribbean? Like, I could go down the list. And that's just on this term alone, just within the context of this presidency alone. And so when I'm looking at all of these

grotesquely immoral, overtly illegal, even by our own laws in some respects, Yeah, I come to the conclusion that not only should you have not come for more reasons, look at how we're treating your teams, right? Like, look, meaning, how's FIFA looking the other way as the U.S. humiliates one team after the next from purely racist reasons? And FIFA is like, here, no evil, see no evil.

Hey, can the Russians come? Well, no, because they started to warn Ukraine. Are you serious? You know why FIFA, you know, I mean, just, you know, I mean, just, They just need the money. They just want the money. That's all. I mean, the thing is, the U.S. should not have been chosen to host.

I mean, for a variety of reasons. Really. I don't understand. Got it. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just made infrastructure being one of those reasons. Yes. Yes, is you prepared for something like this.

Yeah, just starting with that, really, honestly. You know, it's like, I mean, when you travel to cities like Tokyo or Rome, where they have hosted Olympic Games. games in the past and you visit those stadiums and what's left of the Olympic villages and all that. You can always see like they did, or Athens, right, like they did a better job back then. You could see, like, for example, the Olympic stadium in Athens, you know, it's not like in the sticks. It's not like, you know, like in New Jersey as opposed to New York. It's like, you know, it's in Athens. You can take the metro. It's like they had the infrastructure,

which is amazing when you consider that it's an ancient city full of historical monuments. You know, the United States just, we're ridiculous. We don't have the infrastructure. I mean, I guess maybe if we'd done it in a smaller city, could have had the infrastructure. But we don't. We just don't because we don't do infrastructure. What are they doing? How are they getting people, so what are they doing with the massive numbers of homeless people that are on the subway in New York?

how are they getting from point A to point B, like meaning how are they figuring out how to move this number of people from point A to Point B in New York. New York is already insane. Well, they're not doing anything in set for the four borough, I should say, subway system. They're not doing anything about that. The big challenge is getting people from Midtown Manhattan out to the meadowlands in New Jersey. And the, so what they have, the New Jersey Transit Regional Rail does that. Now, there's always events there.

There's rock concerts and sporting events at that stadium. And normally what you do is it's a one stop out to Sikakis. It's seven bucks-ish. Then there's a spur that takes you transfer to the spur, and the special train takes you to the stadium. So that's what they're going to do. But they're charging $150 for that little $7 ride now. And it's like, it's not like that $150, by the way, is going to, you know, it's not like the seven, it's a different service or it's express or you go with lace curtains on the windows.

It's, you know, you get crumpets. It's the same fucking thing that New Yorkers have been getting for seven bucks in New Jersey. So, yeah, I mean, there's been talk about rolling back that, that fee. But basically, it seems like the New York area, including the transit authorities, view the attendees of FIFA as a cash cow. It's not about putting on a good show and making people feel welcome. It's about, you know, raping and pillaging their wallets while they're here. It sucks. I'm embarrassed as an American, honestly.

It's just like hospitality is a hugely important, you know, cultural thing that people do all over the world much better than we do. And it's like, you know, this is a chance to meet the world at a time when we are politically fraught and we're doing a shit job. Well, we're a capitalist country. We do this to our own workers. What when we do it externally? It's kind of like, have you ever seen a kid? And yeah, I know all these countries are capitalists, but it's the home of the home of the whopper, right? Have you ever seen a kid flip out in a mall or in a store? And it's like, yeah, I've seen that.

Yeah, and the parent doesn't seem to give a shit. And I used to always, I used to say, the reason the parent doesn't give a shit is because that kid acts worse at home. And this is maybe a three from the parent's point of view, from everybody else that doesn't up kids and don't want kids because of kids like that. I, by the way, I hate that shit. Yeah. My point is, that is the way that we are dealing with teams is that it's kind of like

we have so accustomed to fucking over our own workers and everything else in regards to the amount that we pay them, how we do employment and stuff like that here, basically max mass profit at the expense of poor. When World Cup people come here. here from our point of view, they're at captive lines. You want to see the soccer game pay us 60 bucks. This is no different than you have cancer pay me. You have difficulties doing so-and-so, we don't care. It's that. It's honest, which, however you want to say it, I agree with you. It's embarrassing. But it's honest. They should have never had World Cup

in the U.S. Part of me feels like it serves some bright. do some comments. I don't know which one. Totally agree. All right, we've got Quinn Parsley. Thank you very much for the dollar donation. Hey, guys, would it be possible to have your PayPal link and Robbie's email in the video descriptions? Oh, yeah, we could do that. You've all mentioned both a hundred times, but I'm dumb and have forgotten them a hundred times. All right, well, that's a good request. I'll try to remember to do that. Trent, if you're watching, let's try to remember to do that. Deepprogram podcast at gmail.com is PayPal. West Glacier Gaming at Gmail is Robbie.

Email address. Jabari Media is Jamaral good bro, no show this morning? Yeah, I'm okay. I just ran into difficulties this morning. I will be pushing the guests to tomorrow. I'll have a full show for tomorrow. In fact, four day of shows for tomorrow. Eric F. Hughes, though.

thank you very much for the $5. We don't need a third party movement. We need a no-party movement. Stand on your own record and policies. Like go back to 1796 style, in other words. That's right. Because it feels like to get anything done. You kind of need a coalition.

But again, coalition's end up. Give me a take on that. I don't think any. I mean, the thing is, I hate parties, but I don't know how you do this in a huge country. I mean, are there any countries that have, like, that you, that are partyless politicians? Not they'm aware of. Right.

I mean, like, any country you think of, even a communist party is a party, right? Yeah, you need an organization. You need a standing organization. The problem is it's hard to stand up, you know, to build a campaign from scratch the way that, say, Ross Perot did, you know, in a matter, you know, just add why. It's not like, it just doesn't seem like it's very practical. I'm not against it. I don't really, you know, I don't have any stock in any parties, but like, I just don't see how it works, I guess. The focus is on an objective.

Yeah. Even Singapore has political parties, which is insane to me. Yeah, that's what I mean, right? I don't know how you get a way around. It's just kind of like, hey, we want to get X and Y accomplish. Okay. like a military. Political parties are militaries. If the country devolved into a civil war, the Democratic Party, weirdly enough, would be a military faction, or they would have at least

raise the military and representation of the party, meaning parties are just devolved military campaigns, just in political sense, without people shooting each other. And I guess my point is, the military is a beating heart of a nation, meaning any way you look at it, you're stuck with some kind of coalition. I don't know. Totally. Bluth Funk. Guys, the themes are all there. Number one, ICE, two, detention camps and reopening Guantanamo. Three, Supreme Court bringing up birthright citizenship for no reason whatsoever.

Well, we probably should talk, well, before we get into that, let's talk about a few more comments that are related to the World Cup thing. Luna Lager were worse than Nazis. Well, we're worse than Nazis on their best behavior. Nazis on their best behavior. RACL, 1979, just as a minor detail, the last World Cup in Qatar, they had promised they would allow alcohol sales during the games. It's been progressively getting worse since 2002.

Erica F. You so, thanks for the $2. Will World Cup have U.S. propaganda jet flyovers? hilarious. Wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked. Jeff filming really, France did a horrible job with the Olympics. I didn't follow that. I don't know.

F.U. So, thanks for the two bucks. Trump jinxed the Knicks. He's a big fat loser. I thought the Knicks were going to lose anyway, but they went into it. When you go, I think psychologically, when you go into it, like, look at us, we've been losing all these years and now we're in the playoffs. That's a bad, that's, that's the wrong vibe. It's like, it's more like, let me add them, let me kill him, we're going to win. You know?

I didn't see that, I got to be honest, I didn't even know the playoffs was sticking place. Yeah. You're sitting in the truck, I found out. The Knicks have been out for so long. Okay, so let's talk about the denaturalization, which I find extremely disturbing. The Trump administration has announced that it plans to strip citizenship from U.S. citizens, fully naturalized U.S. citizens. As you can imagine, these are not people from like Denmark, Sweden, you know, Nordic countries. These are, you know, not. These are people who have been convicted of various crimes. And just to be clear, the administration has the legal.

right to do this, right? I mean, when you become a naturalized citizen, if you commit a felony, are convicted of a felony, they can strip you of your nationality. That's something that my mom was always paranoid about because she came from France over here and she was always like, I have to, you know, keep my nose clean. Otherwise, I'm going to be, you know, they could take away my citizenship. But in reality, they never do it, right? And especially for minor crimes. And look, health care fraud, wire fraud, and stuff like that. Those are the offenses here. During world, the last time I looked this up, and in the, in the West, the last time we had mass denaturalization was Nazi Germany and Nazi occupied nations like Vichy France during World War II, where, you know,

for example, Marshall Petin, the puppet collaborationist dictator of occupied France during the war, stripped a lot of Jewish Frenchmen of their nationalities in order to legalize their deportation to death camps in Germany and in Poland. Denaturalization is really radical, and it's not even the main story on today's New York Times. It's sort of like, oh, and by the way, and you have to contextualize this with, you know, as maybe both Funk pointed out, this, you know, this move. to go to the U.S. Supreme Court to try to get them to reverse the old ruling, the old 19th century ruling about birthright citizenship, which is a hugely important part of our cultural and

political makeup. This is a big fucking deal, and it's scary as shit. When I tell people that the U.S. is behaving very Hitlerian, they look at me like, Oh my God, I can't believe you're saying that. And my thing to them is like, I can't believe you don't see it. I mean, here's the thing. We are okay without monsters because for us, they don't seem like monsters. And when we're looking at other countries, especially when we're looking at in historical context, we make it cartoonish as if these weren't real people functioning in what they consider to be legal means in the way that their country operates.

just like the Germans. We're looking at Hitler, and hey, he gives fantastic speeches, right? Even though he's a lunatic. And yet, they were okay with their monsters. Now, you can say at a certain point they couldn't do anything about their monster, fair enough. But let's be clear, they were okay with their monsters. And in their context, it looked, quote-unquote, normal. And I'm saying we normalize behavior that is outlandish.

whether it's again I keep bringing up this idea of us using unmitigated wars of aggression and yet we are okay with it we don't see an issue with what Trump is doing and we talk about it in these very legalistic terms well I mean Iran maybe we don't want them to get their hands on a missile we don't want to get their hands on a nuke are you out of your mind we're just to attack the country for no reason and we're using the same argument of weapons of mass destruction when people look back on it we say push lot And we look at it and condemn it as, yeah, it was improper for Bush to do that. Wish got a million people killed. Donald Trump is attacking a country right now. The only reason that the U.S. or that that country has become a basket case was because, thank God, they had the ability to shoot and kill in order to defend their sovereignty. This is just another, I don't know, a chip off the wall or another item on. that list. This country is functionally insane. And the public itself continues to talk about it in these muted tones. It shouldn't be talked about immuted tones. It's a big deal. I agree with you.

It's another item on the list of outlandish items that the government is effectively doing. This should be considered with the level of gravity that it deserves, just like the other item should be considered with the level of gravity it deserves. And if you had any one item, Fair enough, right? But this is not just one item. This is a list of things that gives, let's say, a picture of the United States as a rogue nation internally and externally. And we should talk about it as such. I agree with it.

It's a big deal. It's not a minor item. Yeah. One correction here, Daniel, BTS. Thank you for this. Ted, you're wrong. You can only be stripped of citizenship if you lied on your application or significantly misrepresented your intent. during the naturalization process.

So to be clear, these are people who committed felonies and maybe didn't reveal that before they, like in a foreign country, or maybe here, you know, before they became citizens. Still, it's rarely been done. It's one of those things like theoretically you can do it. There's a lot of shit on the books that you can theoretically do, right? There's still blue laws on the books about eating ice cream on Sundays on the side, sidewalk and, you know, we don't like bad having sex in their own bedrooms with each other.

Unless it was like under the law also. I guess my point is you're right. There's a lot of random shit on the laws. If the people, okay, let me quantify this or contextualize it. If indeed they lied on their application to get into the country, then the U.S. government obviously has a right to go after them for it. Your point is they never do. like it's very rarely done.

It's like a cop has the right to pull you over for going 56 in a 55, but they never do, right? So if they start doing that, that represents something new and different and radical. Yes. That's the point here. By the way, I've always thought parenthetically that there should be every, that the Congress and municipalities and the states should have commissions that look at existing laws with a view towards deleting them from the law books. They don't want to do that.

Obsculate laws. Like the Comstock Act, which is being used to go after people who mail abortion pills to red states. That act, which was meant basically to prevent the dissemination of pornography through the males, obviously it's obsolete. you know, I mean, Penthouse was mailed to hundreds of thousands, millions of men, right? So it's like, it should just be gone. Agreed.

But the reason to keep laws on books is so they can use those laws, meaning it's a government centrist to be able to criminalize as citizens for permissioning. Yeah, like Coramatsu decision is a great example, right? Fred Korematsu was a Japanese American sent to an internment camp during World War II by FDR. He's revered in the San Francisco Bay Area. There's an elementary school named after him. And everyone hears about the lawsuit. He sued basically FDR.

He lost. People forget that. He lost. And everyone says that's one of the most shameful decisions. It's like Dred Scott. Okay, but the Bush administration used Korematsu to justify Guantanamo. So it's like, you know, the point is, you're right. They leave these gross old statutes on the books to,

you know, in case of emergency, we can break fascist glass, you know? Yeah, exactly. That's the point. I can find, I can find crimes on anybody for anything. Just give me a reason. It's that, by the way, one of the other shameful items in the denaturalization is that they're using, well, these people were child predators as the president, defends and protects, pedophile. I ain't that some shit.

Yeah. It's so, it's so absurd. You can't make these things up. It's like, are you kidding me? You of all people? I mean, Trump? What? Who I firmly believe was fucking kids.

I am of the belief that part of the thing that Donald Trump is protecting is himself. I know you don't believe that. That's okay. I mean, look, it's not impossible, right? Because, I mean, has he been to Epstein Island? Yeah. Probably, right? Did he know Epstein?

They were friends. Did, does Trump like to place his penis in places that are unauthorized? Yes. It's like, so it's like, and, you know, I've read that diary, that birthday book entry, you know, with great interest. And, you know, again, is it possible? Sure, it's entirely possible. Totally. The dude's alleged.

No, I don't know what's the fact. No. We do not know it as a fact. Thank you very much, Kay Gregg, for the $5 donation. Nothing to rant about for now, but nevertheless, feel free to come back and rant any time. Tag D. Nemrog, we should amend or clarify birthright citizenship, but it can't be retroactive. Thanks for the dollar there. John D. Cockfeller, thanks for the dollar.

Require military citizenship service for citizenship. service guarantee citizenship. Would you like to know more? That's, of course. You know what you love to. Shep Troopers, one of my very favorite films. Yeah. So it's, but anyway, yeah, no, I mean, you know,

I'm going to cite my, you know, my mom who died in 2020. You know, when Guantanamo started in extraordinary rendition, I said, oh, my God, there's going to be protests. My mom said, you've got a, year high. Like, ain't nothing going to happen.

They're brown people. No one gives a shit and their foreign rights. In this case, it's like no one gives a shit. And no one's going to. And the thing is, there's not going to be protests. I mean, no one gives a shit about anything, right? I mean, there are literally no protests about anything. You know, women, you talk to them,

you'll be like, oh, don't you care that there's no equal rights amendment? Like, you know, every other country has. Oh, yeah, no, it's really upset. really so I never see a letter to the editor about it right like there's no posts on Instagram about it there's no protests ever about it like you guys don't really care right like you just don't or it's like you know the Dobbs decision I mean oh are you upset about it yeah well personally in my heart of hearts sure are you organizing about it no and the truth is like the the rich powerful East Coast West Coast women

They have legalized abortion. They're cool. They live in blue states. It's like they're not, they don't care about like a 16-year-old Latina from the Texas panhandle. They don't care. They, they should, they theoretically care, but they don't actually care. That's the problem. Yeah.

If the Taliban version of America in the South is accepting of it, which is the rub, right? I mean, part of it is how much energy. doesn't require to do stuff. The other part of it is, okay, most people are spending their time working and occupied. But I think politics, and I learned this after the fact, it's kind of like a marriage, where there are responsibilities. It's not just automatic, right? Like initially, when I got it to the marriage, I thought, okay, this is just automatic.

You and this person got along. It's not that way in real life. It takes work. Like, and it takes work in a way where you have to kind of like, orient yourself around somebody else where you, it's almost like you have to moderate. You have to pay attention to. You have to work on. You have to do stuff.

It's an energetic process. It's not an automated process. And the moment that we allow it to get automatic, it becomes this. I've got to ask you. I've got to ask you. Am I a member of the Southern Taliban? I've got to know. Because, I mean, that is one.

one of the insults that people have to hurl at me. And so I just have to unpack that. I'm concerned. I know the political point of the Taliban. No, I understand. But I mean, from an ideological perspective, um, but life begins at conception,

abortion should be illegal. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Um, I'm one of those annoying Bible thumpers. I, I pray to my best friend up in heaven. So am I a card carrying member of the American Southern Taliban? Yes.

No, no. I'm going to spot. I am 100%. I was thinking of amorphous south. Is yes or no question? What could be amazing? Here's a thing with you, Robbie. If you were running for office, believe it or not, I would vote for you.

I appreciate that. The reason I would vote for you is because, for all the types of purposes, I do think you are an American first. And I think you mean it in the most honest sense of the work. There will be things that I radically disagree with you on, abortion being in one of them. But if it's an even slightly immigration, and I say slightly because I think you go too far with it, but I understand where you're coming from with it. If would I vote for an American Taliban?

No. Would I vote for you? Yes. So I don't know. I have a hard time answering the question as a yes or no. The elements of it while will say yes, but the rub is there's a lot of stuff that you would disagree with that takes place. in the South. I don't think you would agree with these Republicans on the issue of fucking overworkers.

I don't think you would agree with Republicans on this idea of taking care, taking away Medicare, Medicaid, these type of things. That's what I'm saying. It's hard for me to answer that question. I feel like I want to say no. But the same token, I think what you're pushing me on is this notion of abortion and those type of things, which is a single thing. Because the Taliban is a religious organization, right?

I mean, that's what it's founded on. It's founded on conservative Islam. And so if you, if you strip away the theology, the basic tenets are more less the same. They think you marry three women. I think you shall only marry one. Both oppose homosexuality, at least on paper. Both advocate for traditional values, you know, quote marks. I mean, that's where I'm coming out.

I kind of come out of that. And as far as immigration, this is a great example of Trump doing the right thing the wrong way. No one has a right to get to be here as a guest. If you come here and we open the door to you and say, you're welcome to say in my house. When you start pissing in my sink, I have every right to ask you to leave. And if you break into my house, I have every right to use force to remove you before you get a chance to piss in my sink. And so what Trump is doing with deportations, he's doing it one too slow, too inefficient, and he's doing it the wrong way.

The Robbie model, I would round these people up. I would have three days to send them back to the country from which they respond. If those countries don't take them, I would cut off all their evidences, all their foreign aid. I would just impose an absolute economic hell on them until they take their people back. I wouldn't put them in death camps. There's no reason to. There are other tools that we have. to get things done.

And that's the problem I have with Trump. He's doing the right thing in the wrong way. And so I'm just really curious about, you know, because you start talking to talk about the Taliban. Like, where do I fit in on this spectrum as a card carrying member of the white, white, right wing ecosystem, for lack of a better term, who despises Trump? Do you agree Because Trump's a maniac Do you agree with the Republican Party

in the South? No, the Republican parties, they're the biggest traders in this country. The thing about the Democrats, I understand

that the majority of them are going to look at me and see me as an Athamine. That's fine. But they don't pretend to be my

friend while shanking me in the back. That's what the Republicans do. Every two or four years, they come to they come to conservatives,

for lack of a better term, and say, yes, it's true, we're screwing you over, but we're saving you from the guys who are wearing dresses. When the reality is, they're not saving from the guys wearing dresses because Lindsey Graham is still a senator from South Carolina, who's still advocating for war, who's still doing all this stuff, who is empowering an imperial president, all while saying, we're going to defend the Constitution while they're actively pissing on it, every chance that they get. I guess that's my biggest big for the Republicans.

They are, they are, listen, I would rather someone come to my face and be honest and say, Robbie, you're a disgusting white nationalist, traitor and I wish nothing but the absolute worst for you. I can respect them for their honesty. That's better than a hypocrite or a traitor who's going to stab me in the kidney. I said, oh, well, you should have saw that coming. Robbie, I guess that's my point. Yeah. When I ask, that's why, when you ask me that question and have a difficult time saying yes to that question, if I ask you. do you agree with the Republican Party?

You would give me that answer. And I guess my point of view is it's that political entity that allows the South to be what the South is. And if it was under President Robbie, I don't think it would look that way. No, no, no, no. So I guess my point is, even if I disagree with you on a few items,

that's not the same thing as the old, as the, I don't need purity. I don't need period. I just need affect on priorities. And if I can get further along with a particular person in regards to priorities, I have no issue. But agreeing with you on some stuff and trying to put a knife in you in the other. I'm okay with that. I don't think that makes you the Taliban.

That's my point. I appreciate that because I'm against stoning people in the streets. Right. I try to do that in front of soccer stadium, as everyone knows. Or shagging goats. Oh, and Justice Q2. on YouTube says Robbie's an immigrant, non-addigious. I assure you, I am not an immigrant.

My family's been here for seven generations. They came over in the early 1600s. My ancestors were Indian fighters. They helped conquer this continent. We're not settled it. We conquered it. I am not an immigrant. I am a Native American, first generation baby.

Founded. I am not an immigrant. We're colonialists, right? 100%. They came over. They lived in Virginia. the moment it was now west virginia i think my family married into the grays i mean they came over here and they built a nation out of the wilderness and if you don't like that well that's a you brought

did they get a did they get a visa from uh from the indigenous people who live right please that's his point yeah of course not there were never no i mean they were they were they were tribal societies and have the wheel so no they'd have written language they i mean there was no concept of what a nation state even was and so what so they did what human beings all through his history have done. They will go someplace. They migrate. They take the land. And that's the whole thing. If it comes to immigration, this is where people call me a Nazi. Fine. Go for it. If an other nation can come in and take another country's land, like, it's like with Israel. Israel's like, oh, we have a right to exist. No you don't. No nation does. If you cannot defend

what belongs to you, you will lose it. That is the story of human history from Adam and Eve. That's true. No nation has a right to exist. No, no, no. one has a perpetual claim based on ancestry to the geographic area of which you live because people have migrated to every inch of this planet. And so if that's what you're going to go after with me, then brother, you better stick out of that glass house because your ancestors did the exact same thing. Robbie, the argument, and I think I think I'm sympathetic to it, is that, you know, I mean, what's really the difference between you and someone who, you know, whose parents snuck them in in a suitcase across the Rio Grande in 2021.

I mean, it's just a calendar difference, right? There's no, there's no, like, moral or ethical right difference. I mean, it's basically all the, or me. Like, you know, my mom came here in 1961. I mean, big whoop. I mean, it's just a calendar difference. You just, you know, you guys broke the law earlier. That's all.

There was no, no, no, no. It was not. be clear if Robbie's argument is not moral, right or wrong, it's your power. We had the power to come here and conquer and murder the population that was already here and take the land. And then we instituted laws and everything else that we can now. And so now people are in a coyote to come in. What's the diff? Well, the difference is that back in the 1600s, remind me, Ted, what authority, what, what nation state, what laws were being violated? Well, there there was no nation state here however you know i think it was customary to approach the

shore you i'm sure we all know that native americans greeted the people who first arrived here um and say hey guys would it be cool if we stayed here you know that happened when the viking seemed to newfoundland they got their they got their butts kicked to them that's true and also one thing i'll do want to point out one also right one thing i would like to point out is that mother nature did a lot of the work for the Europeans because diseases are a thing. And so let's be honest here. If you're really to know who the reigning champion of genocide globally throughout old history is, it's Mother Earth. Let's be honest. This argument is just based in power. Of course it is. We have power to do it so we did it. And that's the point. And that's the point

they're making. And now if you have, if you have a nation, which supposedly we have, I think it's a corporation. I don't think it's a nation. It's a corporation that's run by a board of directors of the very short, but a very small shareholder pool. You have the right to determine who lives with you and who does not. You have the right to invite people in or ask them to leave. If someone violates it is one of those two tenants. You know, power dynamic. You claim the right to do that, right? Correct. Because by virtue of having a nation with a military that uses violence to enact to enforce the laws agreed upon by this, by the body politic. Correct.

That's the whole point of a law. No, policemen are not there to get your cat out of a tree. They're there to put a bullet in you if you are, if you're disturbing the peace. It is all about order. You cannot have an orderly society, Ted, if you have open borders and if nations, if laws apply to some people and then not the vast majority of others, that's the biggest problem that we have. have. And so I have zero problem whatsoever with equal enforcement of the law, just as though must be blind and done in the right way. You would very much love living in a robbery ran society because wages would go up. Many jobs would be restored to this country. There would not be

homeless people stabbing people in the metro in New York City. I would fix these problems and I would use the power of the state to do it. And that's something that's a lot of people don't want to hear, but that's exactly what happened because that's the whole point of the state. I agree with all that. And by the way, what's the problem? By the way, I think that people who come here and, you know, we shouldn't let people come here illegally, full stop. But that said, once we, if a previous regime allowed people to come en masse illegally,

and we said, come on over. I mean, Biden did. He gave them an app. He gave them an appointment. He said, make your appointment on your app. Come on over. And the people show up on time and the guys like, here you go, come on in. Well, they're not really being, they are following the rules.

They're following, they're following, they might not be rules that you or I, I know I don't agree with those. Rules and laws are different, Ted. Remind me, rules and laws are different. Remind me, Ted, in our system of government, who makes the law, the executive or the legislation? A little bit of both. Right. The legislation for the Constitution writes the law, right? not a question yes but you so so we have immigration laws are on the book it is incumbent it is the job of

the executive to enforce those laws Biden to show Biden shows not he should have been a peach for that but this is we're going 56 and 55 this there's prosecutorial discretion right there's there's a whole mess of laws that if you drop one book on your foot you're going to break your toe so they have to pick and choose what they enforce and as opposed to what they don't enforce and to what extent, right? So there's a lot of prioritization. Our country is in a significant and obvious decline, which y'all just out talking about in the World Cup. I would not have had the World Cup here because it is an embarrassment. Our country is a basket case. Our country is literally falling apart. And so to celebrate our decline, we're going to invite the entire world here to go to some,

crap stained urine-smelling city that we can't even travel to get people to travel around in to show the whole world how much we suck think about that for a second that's not untrue i know it's not untrue so to get to your point if your nation is in decline the last thing that you need is to import more unskilled and illiterate people to come and do jobs that americans won't do when americans are already underemployed and wages are stagnant and everything is falling apart. It is not a people problem. This is a system problem. We got some comments and we got stories. Ray is asking if I have any vinyl of the punk band Fear. Yes, I do. I have Fear of the album on vinyl and I could pull it up here if I had time. Is it good? Three feet away from me.

It's not my favorite. They're not my favorite punk band by any means. That would probably be the Ramones or the Dead Kennedys. But they were dead. definitely worth having, and I've carted that album around for, you know, decades. So obviously it's good. Let's see. Okay, Peter Ive, thanks for the two bucks. Robbie hasn't advocated executing heretics in the local stadium, so he's not in the Taliban. Crown Heights, Brainiac, thanks for the ten bucks.

Robbie woke up choosing violence this morning, every morning. R-T-Y-R-T-Y-R-R-Wriers, thanks for the two bucks. He is a barbarian without a soul. I can't believe you're saying that about me. And Black Spock, thanks for the two bucks. Much appreciated. Who pissed in Robbie Sink? Nobody able to deport them.

I was wondering the same thing, by the way. I was like, who peed him, Robbie's sick? Nobody able to deport them. I had a roommate. piss in the bathtub and I banned him from the bathtub in perpetuity. How did you know he peed in the bathtub? Because it was just me and him who lived, who shared the bathtub in the dorm. And I came home and he was pissed at his girlfriend and he had punched and broken the bathroom mirror.

And there was pee dried up piss in the bathtub. So I'm like, you know, it was a Jack and Jill, you know, that shared bathroom where that, you know, basically the kind old-fashioned kind where you go in and you lock the other one when you're using it and then you unlock it when you're done. Yeah. Yeah, so it was one of those. And I was like, I just told, he was like, oh, dude, it's locked. I'm like, yeah, you're going to be using the communal bathroom from now on. Your bathroom privilege is a remote. You're just gotten. Good on you. Yeah, and you're right. I have no idea what my ethnicity is because it's stupid. Racism is the dumbest thing that humans have ever admitted. Yeah, it's completely retarded. It's very, very, very gay, very stupid.

Okay, so guys, Trump, I don't think we can dispose of this in about a minute. Trump says the war is about to end, straight of our moves is going to reopen right away. It's going to happen within two or three days. That was yesterday. So we're looking at Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. Sorry, Wednesday or Thursday. That's not happening, right? I don't think that's happening.

I am very skeptical of the idea that, Trump can accept. I mean, look, I guess I'm stuck in this in this two-thought mindset. You can't move forward. And how do you accept what, for all intense purposes, will be a surrender document. I don't believe that he's going to get better terms

than the JCPOA. And at this point, I don't even think he's going to get better terms even under the best version of the JCPO if that makes sense. Meaning Trump is going to, if he accepts anything, it would be a worst case. I'm not going to say it's not worst case scenario. Okay, two things. There is reporting that there was conversations

between Trump and Daniyahu where Trump basically told Nanyahu, I need you to calm down. Now, the problem that Trump is going to run into, that's assuming that Trump is trying to get a deal. And let's give him the benefit of the doubt that he's actually trying to get some kind of deal. The flying old woman is going to be in Israel. That's going to be an interesting component to this.

Trump may tell Nanyahu to calm down all the way through in this reporting that they told Nanyahu, hey, you may find yourself without the help of the U.S. I'll believe it when I see. I'll believe it when I see it. The one catch with this, so caveat, is that I don't think Trump likes this idea of seeming like a junior partner,

which he does, because everybody is talking about it as if Nanyahu is forcing Trump's behavior, which, again, I don't believe. I think this stuff is purely in the context of the U.S. but let's say I'm wrong. Is the U.S. going to be able to, one, accept the terms that Iran is putting out? Two, is Israel going to be a participant to these terms?

But does any terms that Iran comes up with means that Israel has to stop, which is not in Nanyahu's best interest, which then is a question of, will Nanyahu stop? Will Israel go road? All of these things are questions that are not. don't really have answers to. And my instinct is telling me no, Trump is lying again in order to control oil markets. We'll see. I'm radically skeptical. I'm radically skeptical. Yeah. I mean, look, under the doctrine of all things are possible, it's possible. Likely, no. But possible, Sure. Okay, so RTR Warriors, two thanks for the two bucks, Wall Street, profiteers and Federal Reserve, make the laws. RTR Warriors again, the guest is the barbarian, not you. I don't know who the guest is, there's no guests here.

P.W. Walker, JCPOA was always designed to fail. It was clearly laid out in 2009. In the source document, which passed to Persia. Brian Berletic over at the New Atlas described it repeatedly. We've got three minutes left. I also want to talk about this study from the Uppsala Conflict Data Program at Uppsala University. I believe that's in Sweden. They say that the number of direct conflicts between nations has doubled between 2004 and 2008, 2025 to 8. That's the highest number of such conflicts.

since they started collecting data, there's also the highest number of deaths and casualties. We currently have the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, Iran, U.S. and Israel, India versus Pakistan, Thailand and Cambodia, Israel against Syria, Israel against Yemen, border conflict between Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Red Sea conflict between the U.S. and the U.K. and the Houthis. the list goes on. I mean, quickly, what is the sort of psychological impact, I think, on American voters, you know, in a sense, but, you know, the sense of global instability, everyone's blowing things up. Everything's, you know, everyone's killing each other. This was a president who, if nothing else, promised us exactly the opposite.

And he's denying that he ever promised that. Americans don't care. unless it's happening to them. I mean, it's one thing if you had a subway blow up in New York, if you had somebody blow something up in this kind of large-scale terrorist activity over the course of the country, we'd care then because at that point the world would be bought home. We don't care. I don't think we care. I don't think this instability hits us. Nobody is bombing our cities. And so it's something that's happening out there in the ether of the world, etc.,

even though we are causing a lot of it. I think when we look back on this time, people are going to realize all of this stuff is one war. And many of these things are being pushed and provoked by a rogue state. Yeah, I like that. It's really well said. A lot of these things are one war, and we know what war it is, too. It's like what Robert Fis called the Great War between civilizations, right?

Anyway, thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll be back tomorrow for the next episode of Deep Programme, with Ted Rall and Jamarral Thomas at 9 a.m. Eastern Time. Thank you so much for your support. Much appreciated. Thanks, Sir Bikes, a lot, for your last comment. We can get into that. We'll get into your comment tomorrow.

Robbie, please save that for tomorrow. TMI show with myself and Manila Chan coming right up. Bye all, and take care. Thanks, JET. See you soon. Have a good one.