DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - UN: Israeli Targets Kids for Genocide | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• A U.N. report says Israeli security forces target, abuse and deliberately kill Palestinian children as part of the genocide. One Palestinian kid has been killed on average every day since the start of the cease-fire 8 months ago, UNICEF finds. “They were killed in their homes, in their schools, playing football, fishing. They were shot, bombed and hit by airstrikes.” • The leader of a group of protesters accused of being members of “Antifa” is sentenced to 100 years for an armed assault last summer against an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas. Six other defendants were sentenced to between 50 and 70 years. Another, who was not even present, was given 30 years in prison. A final defendant is scheduled to be sentenced next month. The remarkably stiff penalties were much longer than those handed down for the 1,500 rioters prosecuted — and then given clemency — for Jan. 6, 2021. • Leftists and democratic socialists win all three New York City congressional races, as angry populist voters deliver a harsh rebuke to the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

Good morning. You are watching The program with Ted Rawl and Jamaral Thomas. It is Wednesday, June 24th, 2026. Leftists are kicking ass in New York City. Good morning. Yes, we are. So, big primary results coming out of New York City. We talked about this yesterday, that all the Mamdani slate of Democratic Socialists and leftist aligned candidates with Zoran Mamdani were all favored to win. They all won, they exceeded their already their expectations. These were landslide victories by the far left. Within electoral politics, these would be far left, not in terms of objective politics. And so, you know, we've got to talk about that.

We also have this issue. We also have this story from the UN, which is our main story. Israel security forces, there's substantial evidence, deliberately target, abuse, rape, and murder Palestinian children as part of a policy of genocide to reduce the Palestinian birth rate. Of course. Pretty disgusting. And I'll take the pretty out of there.

And nothing pretty about it. And the, that Antifa supposed an attack against the ICE facility in Texas last year, got some crazy prison sentences. the so-called leader of this group got 100 years in prison. The other participants, none of whom were accused of engaging in violence at all, got 50 to 70 years. And one person who wasn't even there got 30 years in prison for being part of this, quote, unquote, terrorist conspiracy.

So we've got to talk about this government cracked. clamp down as the clash would have called it. You know, it's pretty crazy. Where, Jamarrow, shall we start? Oof, both of those are good. Let's start with the elections, because I think those are ones that you're in New York. So this is we're asking New Yorkers

about a particular candidate. So if they said, okay, this person's run against this other candidate, and they said, well, this guy is getting A-PAC money, that was a disadvantage in the race by a magnificent percentage. Like, that is a new norm. That is enormous. Candidates killed it. Mammani, his selections,

do you, let me ask you this. Do you think it's Mammani and his coattails? Do you think something else? Do you think it's just political climate? Do you think it's a perfect storm? I mean, you're there. What do you think of the main movement? Mbdauny has coattails for sure.

Because he's, you know, he's a fresh face. He only took office January 1st of this year. He's only been in, he hasn't. would have been in there for six months. So he's still like, you know, when New Yorkers who were in a hurry are like, oh, who should I vote for? And if they like Mamdani and they were fans of his, his endorsement at this point, you know, there still hasn't been one giant blizzard where the snowplow didn't show up at your house yet. So he's still popular. And people are definitely going to follow his advice. But also, there's a general, very anti-A-PAC, anti-Zionist tone in the Jewish

community in New York City, which is the largest community of Jews in the world outside of the state of Israel. A lot of liberal Jews are sick and fucking tired of being tarnished with the Zionist label by APEC and people like that who are trying to say, like, to be Jewish is to be pro-genocide. That's bullshit. The biggest opponents of the genocide have been the not in our name, Jewish Voice for Peace and other protesters. So they've been the loudest, they've been the biggest, they've been the most strident. So this was their chance to express themselves. I think that was a huge thing. Also, there's a, you know, the rent is too damn high and people are pissed at the, at the wealthy. And they don't like their, it's not even the fact that they are rich.

It's the way that the rich act. They're insulating themselves. to be like, you know, in New York City, everyone from the super poor to the billionaires rode the subway, you know, you couldn't really hide. Even if you were a billionaire, you had roaches and rats in your apartment because it was New York. That's just not true anymore. These people have really insulated themselves in a way that just didn't used to be the same thing. And the way they talk, like, oh, we create the jobs. You should be grateful for us. No New Yorker thinks that. Every New Yorker who's not a billionaire says, leave. We don't care about you. Go, go, go. You're not making our lives any better. You're making it worse. So it's a lot of

stuff. But I think it's really important for us to talk about left-wing populism because it doesn't get the coverage that Trump and MAGA and right-wing populism get, which they need that, they deserve that coverage. I mean, you know, the dudes, they got the presidency twice. But this is, this is a big deal. It's a, APAC is crowing about some races they won out in the hinterlands. And flyover country but they were going to win those anyway um yeah they're they're losing their they're they're you know they're not as powerful as they used to be the tide is running out and if they're not that powerful then they can't instill fear and if they can't instill fear then you're going to see more independent people standing up and speaking out against israel and against zionist policies

um so you know i mean if if i'm if i'm the if i'm i guaranteeing you you right now as we speak, it's 9 o'clock in the morning, at APEC headquarters in Washington, D.C., which may or may not be on K Street, they are meeting. And they're saying, okay, where do we go from here? What do we do about it? We have a crisis on our hands. If it bleeds, we can kill it, as said, and by some famous person, I think it was Arnold Schwarzenegger in term and predator. No, you're absolutely right. The moment that you could show that this is a fallible entity and that running against that entity works, then people by definition were run against that entity as a pathway to political

power. Now, obviously, APEC is going to take issue with this, and they're probably going to start putting money into other groups without the name of APEC in order to try to get their money to candidates in order to get political consequences. control of those candidates in Congress. But let's be very clear, it's a wounded entity that is weak, especially if you're talking about in key demographic, democratic contingencies, right? Even I would argue in Republican districts and things, they would take issue with this idea that the Trump administration is functioning at the behest of a foreign power in the way

that it comes across and the way that it's discussed. So even among Republicans, the tide has changed in regards to the way they see Israel as, you know, you guys have been killing babies. Why is that okay? And why should a political entity or any political entity or individual support an entity that is effectively doing that and defending that policy? So, no, I agree with you. I think, I guess the question is, is this a sea change in regards to, let's see, democratic politics going forward even among liberals that can see the right equal in the wall of regarding EPA? I hope people do run against it. I hope Mondani has shown. the pathway. Because, you know, sometimes you can be scared off if something is a political

orthodoxy until you challenge the orthodoxy and find that the orthodoxy is standing there with no clothes on. Hopefully, this is a new norm, not a flash in a pan. I think it is. And we, by the way, please like, follow and share the show. We'll bring in Robbie a little bit later to talk about some changes in the Rumble creative program that we kind of are going to need. your help. We don't really, it's not going to be like asking for money, actually. We're going to be just asking you to chime in in the chat, believe it or not, if you don't ever chat. If you just pop in once a month and just say hi or put in an emoji, that's going to help us. And Robbie, I'll explain that. But by the way, is that chat and comments or just chat itself?

It's Robbie, that's just the chat, right? It's the live chat. Comments do not count. So it has to be while you are live streaming. Okay, so right here and now, right now. Right here and now, if you're on the, if you're on the live chat tab, basically just going to explain what's going on. We have 63 people right now watching us on Rumble. So if you have never chatted with us in the past month,

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Lurking no longer works. She got to be at least once a month, say hi, you know, call someone a name, give them the bird, whatever. Yeah. You have my permission to use the T word, Tard. Anyway, okay, that's that. It has to be the rumble chat, not YouTube. Right.

Come in and check balls. Okay. Cool. All right. So I want to also point out just as one of the, and before we take some of the comments and questions here, the district Brad Lander, who ran for mayor initially against Zaron Mamdani, dropped out and endorsed him and campaigned in a very like sort of father-son kind of way, very cute. He's twice, you know, Zeran's age. but they had a cute bromance. Those guys, Brad Lander was endorsed by Zoran. He's not technically a member of the Democratic Socialist organizing group, but he was endorsed by Mabani. He basically is a socialist,

and he carried a district that encompasses all of Lower Manhattan, a.k.a. the capital of American finance, includes all of Wall Street, all the people who live near Wall Street, near Battery Park City, and also a lot of really wealthy people who live in Soho, Tribeca, the West and East Village. These are all rich New Yorkers. And that district jumps across New York Harbor over to big swaths of Brooklyn, including Williamsburg and East Williamsburg and Greenpoint that are predominantly Orthodox Jewish. So it is stunning.

that is a major rebuke to APEC. I mean, is APEC dead and done? Sadly, no. But the point is they're wounded. You know, I suspect Jews in New York feel like I do about the Iran war. Like, Trump is doing this in the name of America, quote, quote. Right. And even the murdering of the fishermen that was being done in the name of America.

Whereas I look at this and think to me. myself, this is humiliating and shameful as an American watching the president act like this and act like this in our name with our tax dollars. And I guess if you're a Jewish, you probably feel the same way. You don't want that staining on you that they're effectively putting on you by claiming, you know, we represent all of Judaism. We're a Jewish state and Zionism and Judaism are somehow really very similar, if not the same thing and criticizing one means you criticize the other. Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, I don't blame them for that.

God bless them for that. Yeah. God bless him for it. By the way, before, this is not, we didn't have this schedule, but I was just reading it before we went on the air. I'm sure you'll find it of interest. The New York Times had a piece where they talked about how women who are, you know, unorthodox in Tehran and other Iranian cities are now joining pro-Iranian government demonstrations

against Americans and against the, you know, unorthodox in Tehran. Israelis, these are women without hijab. These are women who wear, like, you know, have pink hair and are, you know, wear form-fitting clothing. In other words, these are the liberals. These are the wild and crazy, lefty girls. And they're male friends, right? Comrades. And now the government is welcoming them in. You could say maybe that's opportunistically. But they're also coming of their own accord. I mean, basically, the United States and Israel has managed to unify the Iranian people who were in a lot of discord before all this. Yes. I mean, the wildest thing that I've ever seen and probably the most beautiful thing I've ever seen was this woman with long hair flowing in the

wind, Iranian. And the same woman who was liberal who would have been at protests against the government before was out there screaming, Iran needs a nuke. Like, holy shit. That's man, you're talking about if you were to screw up a process or get a process wrong, you have radicalized people who were liberals who were protesting the government at first, who now see what, let's say people during the Iranian Revolution saw. Meaning, if you're in your 20s, you didn't live during during Iranian Revolution. In your 30s, you didn't live during the Iranian Revolution. You didn't see what the Shah was doing in that country. Now they get it. Beforehand, they could say, okay, well, I know the government is claiming that the West is against us, but we think it's the government that's acting up. We think it's the government that's not offering its hand to America. Well, in the middle of negotiations, your government was attacked. Negotiations, by the way, that your government, I would argue, should have never. entered into or at the very least should have never had to enter into if that makes sense

meaning what we do with our country is our business we're a sovereign actor f off who to f are you and in this particular case now they see it for themselves we were in negotiations we're attacked in the middle of those negotiations you're putting sanctions against us you've attacked our country when we didn't do anything to your country unprovoked war of aggression where you tried to destroy the state as a rational human being even if you were a liberal what is your thought process You have the process is we got it to support the government. The government is being attacked.

I would do the same thing. I didn't vote for Donald Trump. I don't like this government. If we were attacked by a foreign country, I would volunteer. I would join up. I would fight. With very few exceptions, there's always a hope on the part of Air Force people, right? That, like, you know, you can, don't have to send boots on the ground

and have tons of caskets coming home. Well, we can bomb the shit out of another country. And somehow they're going to understand that we mean well. But that doesn't work almost. I mean, I can point to a few exceptions, but for the most part, it doesn't. It tends to unify the population against you. During World War II, if you lived in Germany

and you didn't vote for Hitler and you hated the Nazis, but the RAF dropped a bomb on your street, it was a fire truck with a swastika that showed up to put out the fire. It was an ambulance with a swastika on it that came to pick up your relatives and tried to save their lives. And I mean, when I was in Afghanistan in 2001,

when it was the Americans who were bombing areas that were controlled by the Northern Alliance, but the Taliban fire patrol showed up to put out the fires, everybody yelled, jeered at the Americans, the pilots, including American reporters on the ground, and everybody cheered the Taliban fire patrol. The point is it doesn't work. All it does is pull people together. So, I mean, Nazi Germany and I think Imperial Japan probably would have fallen sooner if we hadn't like engaged in carpet bombing. You know, that unified the populations behind those regimes and made them more desperate. I don't know. I mean, you still have to win the war. And I got to be honest, Japan and Nazi Germany were.

So target the factories, target the military complexes. But don't level Dresden, don't firebomb Tokyo, don't nuclear Hiroshima. I get that. And I agree with you, but the new king of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it was unnecessary. The Russians were already pressing. I always point to that. Like, oh, that's, you know, Hamas got that. Like, yeah, it's disproportionate.

But look at what, you know, the U.S. did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'm like, those were crimes too. True. But I'm not a bleeding heart for them for Japan. Japan and Germany. I'm sorry. Like these, they were monsters in the fullest of the. What Israel is doing right now is worse than Israel seems to take a level of pleasure out of misery in a way that you could say the Nazis there, but the Nazis were more governmental organ around it, whereas Israel just seems to enjoy just nasty stuff, like raping of kids and raping of people and watching it, doing it in groups. systemically, almost as policy. It's very bizarre and strange. And I'm using that to make the point of saying, people kept trying to cap Hitler. You know what I mean? Like they, no one's ever

gone after Beebe. It's like it's, yeah, they agree. But I'm just saying that like it seems like there was more of a resistance in Nazi Germany and more disgust with Nazism than there is disgust in opposition and resistance within Israel. Yeah, they don't seem to be any like talking about. There are no leftists. There are no liberals in the case. collective punishment is wrong JT it is murder it is murder on an industrial scale you are what you're saying you have no problem with is the murder of hundreds of thousands of people had zero saying what the government was doing it doesn't matter if that as a new more baby doesn't matter if it's a toddler doesn't matter if there's a schoolgirl does not matter for just some smuck trying to make a

living that is wrong that is 100% wrong I never said that I was for collective punishment you just said you had no problem what you just said yeah No problem with the Japanese and the Germans getting evaporated. Just to be clear, I say, I'm not a bleeding heart. Okay, for one, I didn't say that. You did say that. I said, I was, I said that they should not have dropped the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I was very clear about that, that it was unnecessary that they were,

Japan was already at the breaking point. So just clear. Was there a war. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If you're going to parrot me, then at the very least you should hear what I'm saying, my take. Sounds good. I'm saying, I'm not a bleeding heart. on this. I'm not a bleeding heart

for the Nazis. I'm not a bleeding heart for the way Japan Japan and Nazi Germany were rabid and the things that they did to South Korea, Koreans, and to the Chinese is utterly disgusting. Look it up. You can make a pace of saying, well, this was just their government. We disagree that it was just their government. And all of those

German soldiers who acted like, well, those were the Nazis, those were nonsense. They were also committing war crimes. So, no, I'm not a bleeding heart. for it do i agree with collective punishment obviously i don't i've said it on more than one occasions that i don't agree with collective punishment am i bleeding heart no the make the case then explain it to me let's just like i'm retarded here so what you're saying is and listen i get it you don't have to be bleeding heart but you don't have to be a bleeding heart though i understand that but you can on one hand condemn

what israel's doing over in gaza blowing up schools and all the other stuff the starvation and everything else. And on the flip side, say, well, no, those damn Germans had it coming. It's the same freaking thing. It's the same thing. It's not the same thing. It is the same thing. It's not the same thing. For one, you have a force, meaning Israel, that has nooks and a full military that is out there slaughtering women and children for the slate of slaughtering women and children in order to steal territory. In Germany's case, you have a group of the lunatics who effectively invaded countries with the idea of creating living space, the murder, millions. How are you considering these things to be the same thing? These are radically different situations. Okay. Well, for, there's a couple different things. One, if you're going to seek to, if you're going to seek to impose a military defeat on another nation, which, by the way, Germany and

Japan needed to be defeated. Yes. Then you go after the military installations. What you do is that you go after the armies. You go after the supply, you go after the logistics hubs. You go after the the things that support the war machine. You don't wage unrestricted more. Germany with terror bombing of the UK and other civilian population centers, in which case, the West responded to that. Okay, so the Germans unleashed the blitz after the British bombed Hamburg indiscriminately. That's what happened there.

That was a retaliation to the RAF terror bomb. missiles into the UK when they got fed up with the Brit Battle of Britain. What are you talking about? I just told me. You're acting as if that the Western powers, I'm saying Western powers. I know Germany was a part of this, but you're acting as if the allies went after them just randomly. Because they did. They started in reprisals because of the terror bombing of the missiles that Germany was firing into the UK. and Japan was murdering civilians in mass and raping women on top of doing so. How are you acting like these are innocent parties?

This is outrageous. It's not outrageous. Okay, again, from a historical standpoint, the whole reason why the Germans decided to turn London into a pile of rubble is because that was a tip for tat. The Germans, when they were doing the blitz, they actually bomb the church, if I remember correctly. The RF then retaliated by,

firebombing Hamburg, that's when Hitler took the gloves off. It's okay, you're going to play this game. We can play it too. That is a historical fact. Now, the case I'm trying to make is that you have to be able to separate the people from a government. A people is not always... You're arguing that I am for indiscriminate killing of civilians.

Again, I've never made that argument. Yes, you're going to... I'm not a bleeding heart. Can you talk about what that means for imperial Japan? What do you mean you're not a bleeding heart? What does that mean? It means it's not something that I am not going to pour a lot of sympathy into it, is my point. Like, meaning I understand what the allies were doing. I understand that when they went after Japan, they dropped the bombs and everything else.

Again, I'm not for the dropping of the atomic bombs. We effectively did that in order to just to see it because we built it. But if you're asking me, am I going to be this kind of, oh my God, I can't believe we did this. this to the Nazis or oh my god we did this in print no i'm not going to be that guy if you're asking me is it right to go indiscriminately kill civilians no let me ask you this i'm trying to make an allegory between nazi germany and hamas i think you're out of your mind okay so let me ask this question i'll go away and go back into producer land let's just say for example if you had maha's job in world war two he was the one who's in charge of the strategic bombing of japan right would you

have signed off on that. Would you have turned Tokyo into a funeral pyre? Yes or no? The question doesn't entirely make sense? It does. You're asking me if I'm in the military position. Yes. And I'm in Admiral Hayes. I have to make the military doctrine. And I am sitting in the seat of being the person who's making that choice. Yes. The choice is forced. You're asking a military person, whether or not the military person would take an action with the idea of breaking the will of Japan. The military person is always going to say yes. The question is not whether force or nay, the question is what kind of force? Exactly where should the force be deployed? How much force? Right? And also,

Marshall, who was the chairman of the joint chiefs, called the men to say, what the hell are you doing? So we have to live with these people in this war is over. Why are you destroying these nations? I mean, I'm going to make this very clear and I'll go away. If it was me, I would have said no, no, but hell no. You don't murder people who have no say on what their government is doing. You, collective punishment is wrong. Now go away now. Thank you. I agree with you, that collective punishment is wrong. But I think we're acting as if these, that there's not consequences for behavior. And there's consequences for bad behavior. And I suspect that part of the reason that we're making this argument is because we're Americans and our government does horrible.

stuff around the globe and we don't necessarily want to be held accountable for the shit that we do around the globe despite the fact that we're murdering, killing, slaughtering, et cetera. And we do this to innocent people all the time. I think your ultimate question is she would be absolved of our behavior. And that's a question that I guess each one of us will have to answer. I will tell you, I am, again, I am not a bleeding heart for Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany. And the crimes that they committed to innocent people is ghastly. to put it back on so so Q&A show at 12 noon in two and a half hour is just a reminder don't don't forget to tune in uh also if you're just tuned joining us on rumble we can explain the

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Mr. A. Lee, is Israel a shit stain on the countries who have influence or the countries who have influence turning a blind eye? I don't understand that question. Philip Blair, 20. What he's saying is basically who's more culpable Israel or the countries that pretend like Israel is not. Both. Both. Yeah.

I don't know who. I guess, you know, the guilty party is always more culpable than the people who stand by and watch. But still, Philip Blair, how many of the people in that Antifa quote unquote plot were working for the FBI in some way? That's always a good question. Tim Bantec, we are hoping for us. socialist movement, nothing better for it than New York City. Communism was a Jewish thing. He'll turn the Jews around. Communism was in large part a Jewish thing. That's true. Anna, Annie Anna, there's no crisis for A-PAC or Israel. They fully control the United States. I think, I'm on the

tomorrow. I think... I would tell you, like in Siv, the moment that you get beside a country, you can start operations against that country. And I guess my feeling is APEC may not necessarily see let's say a sea change immediately, but obviously they're looking at this with concern. I would think they should be if I was then. Frank Friel, 7254, would an electronic magnetic pulse or an EM pulse take out a data center? Is that a thing, or am I watching too much science fiction? No. Former Fischer here, it's a real thing.

Now the thing is a data center can be fortified to protect against it. But, yeah, no, under the right conditions, it absolutely is. is a real thing. I would tell you the first. Palses are weird, right? Like literally even, like, it even affects simple mechanical devices like a bicycle. Like when people, when the atomic bomb hit Nagasaki, people who were quite a distance away, bicycling, their bicycles seized up.

They're bicycling. It's the, you know, what could be a simpler device? I don't know why that would happen. I mean, usually that's dealing with electronics. No, but yeah, no, like it's true, like a nuclear, I mean, it's a well-documented phenomenon. I would tell you the first thing that's going to happen if we were at war with Russia is that they're going to launch a missile into space to knock out our satellites. Oh, okay. That was the thing that the U.S. is bitching about.

Oh, my God, Russia's going to know they have a nuclear weapon in space. Sorry, Costa Constantinu. So do you prefer that we watch the show? Rumble instead of YouTube I think I speak for Robbie when I say generically yes right Robbie it depends on on the metric right so if if all you're doing is watching the Rumble then Rumble pays more if you are a channel subscriber on YouTube like you have tiers you have different tiers of membership that you're able to join Rumble doesn't it just has the five dollar a month but you access

to all the premium content everything else If all you're doing is watching, then yes, Rumble pays more, especially with the changes that are coming in with the new creator program. So it will pay significantly more. That said, the hurdle is going to be higher, especially for the shows that are adjacent to this one. So we got the program, we got TMI, and then we got no Putin. Yeah. And by the way, we definitely need you guys to help out with TMI and Putin bot. But again, if you just think of it and you're just like, I'm fucking around.

It's 10 o'clock in the morning. And I don't really want to watch TMI, although we wish you would. I'll just come in and just say hi. Well, the big thing is just, for example, if you install the Rumble app on your phone and then just follow those channels, when they start streaming, you get a notification on your phone. Say, hey, TMI is streaming now or booting by gaming streaming. Pop in at least once a month and just say hi, flip a bird or whatever. I mean, that helps. Yeah, call me a tard. I mean, it works perfectly fine. And I am retarded. So, feel free. You will not hurt my feelings. So it's good. By the way, if you guys ever want me on either channel to pop in, let me know. Sometimes I'm free. We will do that. Okay. So, oh, yeah. So, Robbie, I think I'll leave you on here. You'll have something to say about this. Frasmataz, always with good questions. Tucker left the Republican Party. Does that mean he's going to announce Kiri Cow? Who's Kerry,

cow as his oh oh i see as his VP candidate yeah i don't know um i don't know if tucker russ president i truly i hope that the man does and i know that people in the chat or have mixed feelings about that uh personally i think i think tucker said to come to jesus meeting i think the scales have fall off of his eyes like he's he sees the republican party and the Democratic parties than the corporate wars that they are. Like, leaving the Republican Party. Like, I mean, it's not like, you know, I mean, you're not a member of the Republican Party.

You either are registered as a Republican with your local board of elections or you're not. I mean, but you don't, you know what I mean? Like, there's no such thing as a card carrying member. There's more to it than that, right? I mean, there's a cultural element. It's like cultural Christians, right? It's not, like, they don't really do stuff, but they still consider themselves Christians. I think the Republican Party.

is like a similar way where they're going to be with people well one thing you've got to keep in mind is that Tucker's not just a normal guy I mean he is he he's one of the most popular media influencers in the world of true but what does it so what so what so what that means is that is that Tucker has effectively said what he's going to do is that there's any candidate that has allegiance to another nation that he is going to actively work to make sure that that person has as meaningful competition and wants to expose the public party for what it is, which is huge. Well, wait a minute. Is that him investing resources in total, just his media company? Like, meaning, is he just talking against the candidate or doing something? Or is he going to use some of that sweet Swanson fortune to, uh, I'm not sitting with, I'm not sitting with a guy, but if I had a hazard, if I had a hazard a guess, I think that one thing that he's going to try to do is get him on his show.

give them as much exposure as it possibly can. And if you really like somebody and he thinks that that person has a, has a shot, I think that he'll contribute. And there have been a couple of people like the dude who took out Crenshaw in Texas in the primaries. Tucker donated that guy, put up his website and said, this is the guy is the real deal. Let's take out, let's take out I patch McCain. So answer your question, it's more than just talk with him. I'm telling you, the dude decided to come to Jesus meeting.

But I don't know. I mean, I just don't know what practice. By the way, it would be sexist, not to mention that Marjorie Taylor Green also announced that she's leaving the Republican Party for whatever the fuck that means. I mean, you know, I guess I could announce that I'm leaving the Democratic Party. I mean, it doesn't mean. Martin Taylor Green was weak. I'm sorry. Don't get into politics if you can't take heat like that.

I mean, like Trump bashes her and she puts it in for retirement. Yeah. Are you serious? Are you serious? right now. Like, meaning she, do you think, and maybe this is a Robbie question, is it that she thought that she couldn't win with Donald Trump as a headwin against her, in which case she pulled out? Because otherwise, that's what it is. For hers, her grift, and she made sure that she resigned after she qualified for the congressional pension. So, so there's that. I mean,

I'm on Team JT with this. Like, you know, you just saw me and JT just have a nice little friendly spat right here on the air about collective punishment whether it's right or wrong if uh if she was a real if she was the real deal she just stayed in congress and went down fighting and called trump exactly what he is which is a lying sycophant and a pig and a traitor to the country if you're going to go down don't resign go down fighting if listen if you're going to be rocky and he'd be fighting the big old russian by god you better go in there and just start swinging Oh, Gulf Lundgren. Who knows?

I don't know until you get into the ring. Gulf Lundgren was misunderstood. We have another comment here. John D. Cockfeller, thanks for the Tupac. I'm a scientist, not a lawyer. Does anyone know what the legal liability would be a rounded information campaign, explaining to inner-sinny junkies how much copper is in the average data center? I'm actually going to answer that question.

I think it all depends on how you state it. If you're just sort of like, by the way, there's a lot of copper. You just leave it at that. You probably are safe from law. And a lot of people. You should go in there and get it. That would be a problem. Yeah.

And a lot of people are pointing out in the chat that Marjorie Taylor Green was saying that her family was receiving death threats, which is true. I don't care. Yeah, I was going to say big fucking whoop. I get death threats all the time. I don't care. It's not that I think death threats. threats are good. Look, I know you guys think I'm a hard ass on a lot of the stuff. It's not,

you are. What did she expect? Like, you are, you are coming out against the person. It's the game. It's just what it is what it is. I don't. Look, you live in Georgia. You have guns, buy a big dog. You know, I mean, pay for some security. She's not poor. In other way, Candace Lawrence gets death threats. Random, like, meaning anybody that is in media on some level will get, let's say, opposition to the person. Just in general, especially if you get up to a certain amount and you're, let's say, aggressive and pursuing your case. Madrealegrine resign for being right. Like, and that's the worst thing in the world to me.

Like, you were pointing out, hey, why are we protecting pedophiles? Okay, go star on that. Right? Good job. Why are we functioning at the behest of a foreign government? Okay, again, go star. You're hitting, you're batting, maybe not a thousand, but at the very least a broken clock is right twice a day.

Meaning you are hitting upon issues that are credible. Hey, why are people going without health care, but we're giving billions of dollars Israel? That doesn't seem right. Yeah, you're right. That doesn't seem right. Basically, members and your family are going to go without health care because of what the president was effectively doing.

Again, you're right. And yet you resign on the things that you are effectively right on, That's weak to me. Yeah. Look, it's objectively weak. And there's other ways she could have said, like, look, Congress turns out to be bullshit, and I can't get anything done there. All I'm doing is sitting in a bunch of boring meetings.

So I'm going to now start a media company or I'm starting a pack or something. But instead, she just sort of like picked up her toys at home. And like, she has every right to do that. She's a free agent. But like, we all get to say, why should we care about anything you have to say? now is a reasonable question um all right more a few more comments and we got to move on to one thing i want to point out real quick uh since we've done our call to action at the start of the show we had 74 unique chatters we now have almost a hundred so thank you all

for coming over and that was so breezy thank you so crazy and seriously all we need is you know starting next month on tMI come by say hi how you doing come to putt and by gaming i'm actually to start doing actual real schedule from like noon to five. But I'm being treated like a real job instead of like a hobby. You want to be doing the game for five hours. Yeah. Well, because you got a minimum of 500 watch hours plus all the other stuff.

So I'll be treating poop by game like an actual real client that I do work for. But in the only one of those years. Yeah. And a lot of people have me to do podcasts. So maybe we can have like a Robbie and JT dust off. We'll just we'll piss off the entire freaking world. I don't care. But, I mean, seriously, just people just come by and say hi.

I won't know a mushroom cloud one morning. I'll know why. It'll be fun. All right. B. Longbull, I have to admit, I'm embarrassed to read this, but it's a $10 donation, so I can't pass up. Thank you so much. Yo came here because of John, but Ted is the real star. Always followed Jabaral and Pleasant Edition here.

Oh, thanks, man. Thank you. Another compliment, Teg Durb. Deprogrammed is one of the handful of podcasts that I watch regularly, even though I frequently disagree with the hosts. You know, I got to say that is a high, that's high praise. I call that what I used to call that, the New Yorker phenomenon, which is, this is no longer true, but then I hate the New Yorker.

Always did. I hate the cartoons. I hate the type. I hate the, I hate the tone. I hate the whole conceit of like the New Yorker. There's certain elite gatekeepers who know better than you, everything. But there was always something that you really needed to read, usually by a war correspondent or something that you really needed to be in the mix.

If you didn't read it, you were left out. And so you'd find yourself buying this thing and reading it, even though you disagree with a lot of it. The New York Times used to be like that, too. that's a high that's that's a high that's high that's high praise i mean if you know like i like i watch the five on fox i disagree with all of it but i watch it it's entertaining it's a good product so it's like to me it's like okay i i appreciate people who agree with us of course and you guys are great but it's like it's super praise when someone's like oh you know like you know

I might not agree with what Ted or JT has to say, but at least you don't think we're full of shit or at least you think we're coming by it honestly. Everybody always agrees with me. Oh, yeah. I'm not polarizing at all. The population agrees with you, Rattie. We all agree with you.

You're not crazy at all. Good boy, you're such a good boy. You're such a good. Debbie scratch you behind your ears, Gutey. So what you're all you're here for. Too funny. Okay. All right.

So this is a real-ass convos. Says Jamara from Connecticut. I think Connecticut. Thanks for the $2. Okay. So it is a real-ass combo. Okay. So, oh, and thanks for...

I think we're talking about the... The... The... The... The... ...thea... Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Let's see war crimes. Yeah, of course. So this new UN report, backed by UNICEF, which, you know, is kind of like, They're a pretty unimpeachable organization. Basically, this is the quote, one Palestinian child has been killed on average every day

since the start of the quote-unquote ceasefire eight months ago. Quote, they were killed in their homes and their schools playing football fishing. They were shot, bombed, and hit by airstrikes. Israel is, of course, as usual, calling this a blood libel and all lies, all terrible lies. But, you know, I mean, it's very disturbing. There's a lot of evidence that, you know, the, I mean, look, I believe the report. We know that there's been report after report after report about the Israelis intentionally, snipers, intentionally shooting kids.

There are a lot of kids in that population to begin with. Yes. But they're doing it on purpose. And it also draws the parents out so they can shoot them too. It's, I mean, I mean, at this point, The only thing that I find that there's the only light aspect to this is listening to the arguments of design of search are still trying to defend this shit. I mean, it's indefensible. I mean, and yet, you know, you yell and you're all caps of social media posts, but nobody is buying what you're selling anymore.

There's a train going on behind me, which is why I had my mic off. I'm sorry. I love that sound, by the way. It's one of my favorite. I'm glad you do. I'm glad you do. I love faith. I prefer prayers in the morning in the Muslim countries.

Oh, God. And I got to be honest. And I hated the prayers in the morning in the morning. Amazing. Yeah, yeah. Well, I loved at 8 o'clock, no issue, 12 o'clock, no issue, 5 o'clock, no issue. Four in the morning. That's right.

Yeah, no, it's good. Get up and pray, infidel assholes. Come now. Well, what you don't typically hear, right, is the tune up. Like, in churches, they have, like, the tuning of the band and everything else. At like 3.40, you get the tune up where they're like getting a divorce history and everything else. And then at four of the melodic prayers and et cetera, et cetera. Me who are, who's typically getting at 4 a.m.

It's, you know, but the rest of the day, I love it. I always think about when like right wiggers say like, oh, what if radical Islam were to take over the United States? I'm like, well, they'd be one advantage. We'd get the call to prayer every day, which would be cool. I didn't mind the call to prayer. I actually liked it. It's so melodic. And it's almost like music of sorts.

It was just the 4 a.m. part. The 4 a.m. part was just wrong. It's absolutely. Yeah. Comes at like 5.30 in the morning or 5 a.m. every morning, so it's pain and ass. Look, this is ritual murder, for lack of a better term. 75% of the people were killed in Gaza have been women or children. So this calling it blah libel is nonsense.

It's hundreds of thousands of people who have been murdered, the majority of which being women and kids, because as you point out, a large part of the population are women and children. From their point of view, this is, quote, mowing the line, unquote. And honestly, if you were raised under this idea that the Muslims hate you, they all want to kill you, look at what happened in Auschwitz, look at what happened in the other death camps, this will happen to you, so and so, meaning you are raised and programmed to be a monster. Yeah, they're also raised to you told, like, these people were aligned with the Nazis, the, you know, the chief, what was it? What was his name? The official from chief Muslim official from Jerusalem traveled to Berlin and met with Hitler. That's true. That did happen. There's the mufti. There's the grand mufti of Jerusalem. Yeah. I mean, I guess my point is this is that shocking. I know some people who are looking at this and think themselves, oh my God, I can't believe they're killing on these kids. It's not shocking if you take it to account how these people were effectively raised. The overwhelming majority of the population of Israel agrees with Nanyahu's position. anytime you've seen protests, those protests were just about the prisoners, not about what Nanyahu was effectively doing.

And again, the majority of the population saw the video where they sodomize an inmate and 60% agreed that it was okay for those were released to do this. Like we should really put in the context what this society effectively is. And they are out of their eyes. sick. I've got to think that at some point they're going to, you know, the spell is going to break. It's kind of like, like if you go. If you go to, well, but yeah, they're going to have to be denotified. They'll be defeated. They'll be overrun. They'll be defeated. And then people will write memoirs. Like, I grew up going to the cabots and I was propagandized. And all my friends were like us. And then, you know, I had one incident where I started to doubt, but I pushed it.

decide they're all going to write these memoirs. They're all going to say, and then like the spell will break. And a lot of people will deny ever having felt this way. A lot of people who were Israelis in the former state of Israel are going to say, like, you know, I don't know what was wrong with us. It's like, it's like the white South Africans. A lot of the white Afrikaners are like, I don't know what the fuck was wrong with me back then. You know, I think they genuinely believe it. They genuinely, like, think, oh, you know, it was a, it was a fever. I was, I was, propagandized, whatever. Now I, now I can see the light. Are they responsible for their actions? Well, of course, everyone's responsible for their actions if they're undertaken freely, right?

And they're undertaking. The catch is freely. That's what I'm asking. Is it really freely if you erase the particular way, program to act a particular way? At once you become an adult, Certainly, yeah. I think so. Once you become an adult, even we're all propagandized. I mean, you know, everybody's propagandized. I was. You were, we all were. You know, we went to schools. We were propagandized by our parents, by our families, by our jobs. True, but this is very specific coding or very specific programming that is being dumped into them to get illicit a particular response. Meaning the response that the Israelis have is the exact response that the Israeli government wants them to have. Right. And the media is very effective.

And there's people who scientifically study how to spread propaganda. Look, your question's really important, Jamar. I mean, I guess the answer is, yes, you are responsible. But, you know, are we going to put all the, are we going to put the entire, you know, those, if we can identify those 60% that you mentioned, you all think that, you know, ass raping innocent people is cool. Can we put them all in prison or it's an insane asylum? Like, we can't because we don't have enough. We don't want to build prisons or a St. Silum's big enough to hold them. So, like, we're going to have to forgive them, right?

And we're going to have to, you know, teach them and help them do better. But are they responsible for thinking that shit? Okay, this is where I'm on team JT. I'm cold-hearted about this. I feel like if you're fucking stupid enough to let yourself be propagandized and you can't fucking think for yourself, Ted Raul doesn't have a lot of sympathy for you. Does Ted Raul want to send you to a Gulag?

No. Maybe to a re-education camp. But the point is, like, I hope you'll come back. I hope you'll plug it. If Ted Raul was born in Israel, and Ted Raw was sent to the concentration camps at four and say, this is what's going to happen to you, if the Muslims will take over,

or if you don't have a Jewish state. And then at five, they do the same thing. And at six, they bring you into Israel that have you mingling around. and you could see maybe they take you to the bodies of Israeli soldiers or something like that without context. Meaning, if they raise you this way from the time you were a child to the time you were 16, does Ted Raw think differently? I mean, the reason of my maximum is because I think this is the operative question. I think people are also programmable entities.

Like when McDonald's, McDonald's has this idea that if you get a child at like between two to six that you're having for the rest of their life up to X amount of percentage. And if human beings are indeed that predictable where programming lasts for years beyond the point of the programming, how do we define culpability in this context? That is a hard question for me. I don't have an answer for that, by the way. I don't think it's ultimately answerable. I guess my point is that sort of I think the Allies got it pretty right after World War II when they decided to concentrate on the big fish in terms. of, you know, punishment up to and including death and basically let the population in general

off the hook. It's only later that they decided, like, you know, hey, we're running out of war criminals, so we'll go after, you know, a dude who was a low-level, you know, camp guard or something. They actually recently, right, convicted some chick who literally was a secretary at one of the death camps. All she did, I'm like, that's going to do something. That's going too far for me. But the point is you do have to sort of say there's culpability, but I guess more to the point, in the same way that when someone commits a crime, I want to redeem them. I want to make, I'm not interested in punishment as much as I'm interested in seeing if we can

redeem this person and make them a useful member of society. I think the same thing with these people. It's like, you know, we've got to like depropagandize them. You have to desionize them. them and like teach them that like equality is an important you know important ethic for human beings and and and I think so I'd want to salvage them that would be my main interest punishment doesn't generally interest me and I don't think it's very effective I don't think it's it's I think it's costly you know I don't I don't know what it gets a

which by the way segues nicely and we should very quickly hit these three to our story about the Antifa thing. That way, I agree with you before you keep going. Thank you. Okay. This is a Robbie question. So Robbie, go ahead and pipe in. Robbie, $5 from Frankfield.

Did you ever get to debate that Christian Zionist? If you did, I missed it. It would be very quick, very quick. We've got three notes left. No, he ducked on me. So he has decided he does not want to spar with your favorite. Oh, see. You want to put on the Antifa if we have a bunch of,

I have a bunch of paid chats waiting to be answered. Okay. Peter I, thanks for the $2 to find myself agreeing with Robbie more and more. Last one that I see, tell me if I'm missing any, John D. Cockfeller, a dollar. Ted may not support sending them to Gulag, but I say we send them to the John D. Cockbler Center for Israelis. Who can't think good and want to learn to do others. Right. Zoolander reference.

Okay. All right. Last, and if I'm missing any, Robbie, let me know. So Antifa. So there was this assault, but not an assault, really. There was a protest at an ice facility. Basically, 10 people show up. One, turns out they have a gun.

This is that thing where, you know, 10 people go out on a wild spree. It turns out that, like, you know, your buddy is carrying a bag, you know, a kilo of high-grade ash, and you all end up in the can. So he basically, when the ice guys came out of the ice gulag in Texas, He pulls out his gun, as he said in self-defense, fired at the ICE officer, shouted him, I believe in the shoulder. Not cool, but I'm not saying this is cool. And although, you know, part of me really likes the sort of armed resistance aspect. Anyway, 100 years, okay, 100 years, the 600 people, all of whom by all accounts were on armed,

But because they're part of it, sort of like, you know, hey, if I, you know, it's like if I shoot the bank, you know, you and I rob a bank together and I shoot the teller, you get, you know, you get blamed too. 50 to 70 and 30 years for someone who was just knew them and part and knew what was going to happen. I'm just going to go on a limb here and say these people have pretty good grounds for appeal for cruel and unusual punishment. I mean, this is the January 16th all over again. Yeah. Yeah, except none of those sentences were anything like this, and those sentences were all commuted. True, but the way that they were treated, some of them were treated for just being there. Look, I'm not making an argument. We're not even being there, right?

Like, you know, like Enrique Torre, what's his name? He wasn't even there. Yeah, but he had weapons stashed in Virginia ready for the revolution and some nonsense waiting for Donald Trump to say the word, in which case they were going to attack. You didn't give him 100 years, though. True, they didn't give him 100 years, but it's the way that the government. government. Again, doesn't that me advocate for this. But states, and what I mean by states are governments tend to be very aggressive at going after people who are attacking those governments because they want to be the main distribution of force, meaning they wanted to be the sole distributor

force. If you're attacking a officer, then they're going to respond viciously to the fact that you've attacked an element of the state. It's just is what it is. The same thing was true for January 6. The same thing is true for this. Obviously, they didn't give the people in January 600 years, but some of those people were getting like 30, 40 years we're just kind of musing through. You shouldn't bring a gun to a nice facility. No. That's just bad and shooting the cops.

That's my main concern is you will be probably killed. Yes. I'm surprised they weren't. I'm surprised they weren't. I don't really care about the ice people. I mean, to me, they're monsters. Okay, so 12 noon. That's in two hours. That's the Q&A show.

Robbie and I are going to, and tomorrow are going to be having at it over matters of evolution and the Great Flood and the age of life. But also, really, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, we are. And we're going to take your phone calls on Rumble. We're going to take your regular chats on YouTube and Rumble. So keep YouTube or Rumble. Go check it out. Rumble will be if you want to make a phone call for sure, do that.

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