DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - U.S. Surrenders to Iran | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM EST. Today we discuss:• Trump gets the 80th birthday present he wanted most: a ceasefire deal with Iran that will result in the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. The “peace agreement,” however, merely restores the state of affairs before he and Israel started the war four months ago, with zero gains, much less “regime change” or “unconditional surrender.” Iran, on the other hand, wins bigly. It gets $24 billion, keeps its nuclear program, and forces Israel to stop attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon. • Netanyahu, facing a national election this fall, has every incentive to continue bombing, as Israelis across the political spectrum called the deal a disaster. If he does, however, he risks a major rupture in the U.S.-Israeli relationship.• Trump is demanding Congress attach his SAVE America Act passport-to-vote bill to legislation renewing Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, used to spy on Americans.• Mitch ⁠McConnell, a US senator ⁠from Kentucky, is admitted ​to ‌the ‌hospital ‌on Sunday morning, ‌a ​spokesperson ⁠said ​in ​a statement. The 84-year-old has frozen up and become unresponsive during several press engagements in recent years.• Britain will ban children under 16 from using a range of social media apps including Snapchat, TikTok and YouTube to protect young people from harmful content and excessive screen time, Prime Minister Keir Starmer says, joining Australia, Canada, Brazil and Indonesia.MERCH STORE: https://www.deprogram.livehttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomasLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowSPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8ZuAPPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas/id1825379504

You are watching the program with Ted Raw and Jamarlem Thomas. It is Monday, June 15th, 2026. I'm Ted Raul, that's Jamar al-Thomas. I'd like to be the first to congratulate the Islamic Republic of Iran on their defeat of the United States, codified yesterday. We will, of course, be making that our lead story today. Coming up at 10 o'clock, TMI show with Manila Tian and myself, Q&A show.

with the two of us at 12 noon. So it's a full morning. We should get right to it. If you have questions, please like, follow and share. Please put those questions into the live chat. Producer Robbie West will pick those questions and put them up. If they're super chats and their Rumble Rants, they will go right up automatically. So I think that's about it.

What else are we talking about today? Oh, yeah. We've got Mitch McConnell is in hospital. He's 84, not doing well. So could that affect the balance of the U.S. Senate? I think it could. The Israelis are absolutely furious about the ceasefire agreement that was struck yesterday. That will be signed in Geneva this coming Friday.

And, of course, yesterday there was the crazy UFC Trumpathon on the front lawn of the White House, which I will admit I did not watch. I will watch probably later today on my phone. But maybe others can chime in on that. Great Britain became the latest English-speaking former, well, current Commonwealth country, obviously, the ultimate Commonwealth country, to joining Australia, Canada, and also Brazil and Indonesia to ban social media for people under the age of 16. So, all right, J.T, let's, we got to talk about Iran first. The news broke yesterday.

Trump got the 80th birthday present that he really wanted. He wanted a ceasefire deal with Iran, and he got one. It looked like it was going to be – it looks like the 40th time was the charm. The Iranians finally confirmed the terms. And from what we know currently, this is very much along the lines of what we discussed here over the past few weeks. But you go to the status quo ante belt, right? So basically, what did Trump get out of this war?

as the song goes, absolutely nothing. So we go back. The only difference between now and four months ago is that a lot of Iranians and some Americans have died. But otherwise, nothing's really changed. Oh, and it costs a lot to refuel your car. But basically, Iran is agreeing not to develop nuclear weapons, but they get to keep their enrichment program.

The details of that to be worked out later, in the next 60 days. This is basically an agreement to talk, to iron out the details. The Israelis are good, I mean, sorry, the Iranians are gonna get $24 billion of their frozen funds back. The weaseling to me says it's gonna happen sooner

rather than later in terms of the weaseling and the in the announcements of the, of how this is being described by Trump. They are also, this is the big one for me, and I probably, I would imagine, probably for you too, is that Lebanon is rolled into the deal. So basically, the U.S., to quote my friend, Jamar al-Thomas, is ordered to rein in its dog, Israel, and say,

you can't attack Lebanon, you can't attack Hezbollah anymore. That's off the table. And, of course, that's going to put, that puts Bibi Njahou in a very difficult predicament. Right. What do you think about all this? I don't want to be dower. Dower away. I mean, this could, I mean, the Israelis can easily scuttle this deep. They bombed Bayruth last night.

Right. Beirut was supposed to be off the table. Look, from my point of view, the U.S. are run by cyclopaths. They are going to test Iran all the way through in order to, A, complete the objective of decapitated. the state, which is what they want to do and destroy the country. But that doesn't mean in the way that people are looking at it, that these are individual actions. These are pushes to do this, if that makes sense.

Syria, for example, and again, I don't mean to be, obviously Iran won the war. Let's start there. Before being dower. That's the part. That's the headline here, right? That's the headline. Iran won. The U.S. admitted it. Right. And so now we need to go into details. Right. And just to be clear on why they won, as you pointed out, the objective of the U.S. and Israel was to destroy the state. When the state preserves itself. Unconditional surrender, regime change. Those were the world. Right. None of that happened. You didn't get your hands on the uranium. You didn't destroy the state of Iran. The state of Iran still is intact. They still control over uranium.

The Islamic Republic is stronger than ever. and they're stronger than other, and they control the straight of Fremuz, which is something that wasn't even in the conversation before this took place, right? Right. Meaning that the objectives that Trump wanted failed. They're getting back $24 billion. Some of that money has already been transferred to them, apparently, through guitar and through some of these other elements. Meaning, these are things that weren't even up for discussion before we even, before Donald Trump initiated this war of aggression against the wrong. on. So all of that needs to be put into the mix immediately. Now, the super interesting part is

control your dog. Can the U.S. control its dog? The dog keeps feeding on the lawn. Can you control your dog? It's a very bad dog. It's a bad dog. Now, the rub and the question is, is the U.S. controlling that dog and using that dog to test the Iran's resolve. So basically, okay, you guys come to a deal. Fair enough, you come to a deal. Bam, we hit Lebanon. How serious are you about attending to this deal and attending to, let's say, violations of this deal? Now, for the longest time, we were pretending that there's been a ceasefire in Lebanon, where the south of Lebanon has just been open for Israeli death machines. The rub is, Hezbollah has been chewing through the Israeli military to the degree where Israeli,

have been complaining that they have these flying killer robots that's killing our soldiers as we're invading and killing people in the country. We don't like the fact that they're flying killer robots. What's what this fighting back shit? That's not allowed. Yeah, I know, right? Like, we're supposed to have air superiority. What is the stuff of them bombing our tanks and bombing our people? Which is wild when you think about it, right? But I guess my point is, southern Lebanon has been open season, whereas Beirut ended up being the red line. Well, that red line was cross last night. What does it mean if you sign a deal? Does it mean that Israel's bombing of Beirut gets a free pass? Because we know what's going to happen. America's going to be like,

we don't see anything. We don't notice anything. Okay, is America going to take that perspective of Iran hits Israel for violating Beirut? That's like all of these are fascinating questions to me that I don't have answers to. And so when, and by the way, Iran's leverage, I would argue, is that it's max now, not later. Meaning, you have the U.S. in a situation where in August we're going to run dry on oil and gas, especially from August and September, those are going to be the months of the highest, let's say, chance of running empty, which means that that is Iran's strongest position, not later. Well, the street is supposed to reopen.

The straight is supposed to reopen immediately, right? Which is a problem, which it shouldn't. Meaning, I don't know what's going on in Iran. It's very possible that Iran is looking at the saying, okay, our position is weaker than what people think it is. In which case, we're going to accept this deal. We're going to rebuild. We're going to get the money. We're going to do all that stuff, even though we know that the U.S. can't be trusted in the situation.

Or is it that just making a bad play where you have the U.S. by the boss because, we will run out of oil. In an entire point of the war was an economic war against the U.S. Okay, now you're at your height because the U.S. real run out of oil. Donald Trump could only jawboat for so long. Donald Trump could only use the energy reserves of the U.S. for so long. Do you keep your foot on the throat? Or do you let up for a deal for concessions from the U.S. when, you know, most likely Trump has his fingers behind his back and that Israel most likely would not abide by the deal? All of these are questions that I don't have answers for.

Well, I mean, so my response to that, and I have some tweaks and differences with you, but before I say that, I do want to echo. Nobody knows anything. This is a pure speculation, but that's our job here. That's what we do. So, yeah, I mean, so I could be wrong. My feeling is that something fundamental has changed. and that what we saw yesterday with the Israeli attack on Beirut was a last gasp of a U.S.-Israeli relationship that will never be the same again.

It is true that the Iranians can reopen the strait, and it alleviates the pressure on America and the West and the global economy for the time being. But the fact is, once you, you know, once they, the whole world knows what the Iranians can do any time they want. And no one wants them to do it again, right? So everyone wants to put this in the rearview mirror, not least of whom is Donald Trump, looking at some pretty disastrous results in the midterm elections. And we'll be talking about that, about, you know, Mitch McConnell and all that a little bit later. But I think this is a big fucking deal. And I think it's like, you know, Iran can definitely say this is a, this is a victory. I think, you know, it's also a victory for those of us who are really hoping to see the U.S.

start to kick Israel to the curb. Netanyahu, you know, we have to talk about Netanyahu in this context because he's the guy who can fuck up this deal, right? But can he really? I mean, so Donald, so let's just say that, so Netanyahu is, of course, between Iraq and a hard place. He's running for re-election this fall. Israeli public opinion from, you know, right to far right, which is all they have, is, you know, keep attacking, bomb, kill, greater Israel. You know, we all know that.

It's like Zionism on acid. They're going to keep, they want to keep, that's how you get reelected. But if he does, if he yields to that impulse and decides to start shit up in Lebanon again, then that puts Donald Trump it up. position where he is right back where he started and all of the best laid efforts of himself, Marco Rubio, the Qataris, the Pakistanis, and so on, all disappears and he's right back in the shitter. So he's then going to have to decide, what do I care about more, Bebe Netanyahu or the deal that I struck.

I believe that he will choose the deal. And he will basically have to go to the Iranians and say, listen, it's not my dog anymore. The dog is off the leash. And I'm not giving the dog any more food. I'm not sending any more money to them. Fuck them. Because it's the only thing the Iranians can trust. It's the only way if, you know, if Beirut gets bound, if a Hezbollah official gets blown up again,

Trump has to be able to call incredibly say, listen, that wasn't me and that was without my approval. He has to be able to do that. Otherwise, he's right back where he started. Right now, he has gotten the least bad option out of this. He's doing what you and I thought he needed to do. It's not good. It's not fun. But he's basically doing a little international diplomatic key.

chemotherapy here. He got he got it. He's taking care of it. Congratulations, Mr. President. In all seriousness, you know, you deserve credit when you do the right thing, and especially when it hurts, and that's what you've done. Now he's got to stay the course. So I think the U.S. Israeli relationship is, you know, and you can tell like the politicians of all stripes in Israel from right to far right are howling. You know, every news outlet except Ha Arets, which is the only liberal outlet in Israel, are howling. Basically, the talk among the far right Zionists is, well, we can do it without the United

States. That's where we are. And that's where, frankly, I think we should want to be. That's, again, congratulations, Mr. President, and happy 80th birthday. I think, you know, it's, I think this is good news. It could get, but you're right. I mean, the douriness, you know, to quote my many Russian friends, you know, any bad situation can always get worse.

And this is one of them. Yeah. I just don't, you know, I think we're, I think we're, I could be, you know, I could be bad looking back like, you know, by Friday and being like, what the fuck was I thinking? But right now, that's not. You're looking back right to saying, what the fuck were you thinking? I don't think that poorly. Let me ask you.

Has there been any time that the U.S. has done that? Meaning, let's say when the U.S. claimed that there was a ceasefire in Gaza, when the U.S. claimed there was a ceasefire in Lebanon, and Israel continuously broke any agreement that was reached when they were attacking Lebanon and the U.S. turned a blind eye towards it. Why would that be different here?

And by the way, I'm asking that in the context of Iran opening the strait, which relates to, the pressure that was on the U.S. to attend to the deal in the first place? I missed a little bit about that. No, you're fine. At what point has the U.S. attended or, let's say, honestly, engaged ceasefires. In fact, Israel even went with the idea that they were going to have the, quote, Lebanese model, which meant that we pretend as if there's a ceasefire while we're attacking

Lebanon with the United States turning a blind eye to the fact that Israel is violating the ceasefire, meaning any time Hamas or any time Hezbollah responded, the U.S. will come out and say, we condemn the attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah, despite the fact that Israel was the one that was remorselessly violating the agreements. I'm saying we have played that role continuously. We would ignore Israeli attacks. We would bring up Hezbollah and Gaza attacks. Why would that be different here? Well, I mean, because we were still good, we were still in bed with with Israel to an extent that we are no longer. It's a different thing.

I mean, this is kind of like, well, you know, you were, you know, why did you used to go to dinner with your ex-wife? Because you were married. Why don't you go to dinner with your ex-wife? Because you're divorced. Yeah, but if I see you hanging out. This is a trial separation. If I see you hanging out with your ex-wife at the gym,

and I see you hanging out with your ex-wife at the movies, and I see you hanging out with your ex-wife, I don't know, at the gas station. I'm going to assume you sit with your ex-wife, even if you're telling me otherwise. Like, even if you're saying, I'm not with that chick. Do, don't act like the girl with the skinny legs is not yours. She obviously is. I'm saying that there's no, even from the way that the U.S. talks about it,

they don't talk about it like there's a break in a relationship. They may be a disagreement on it. I have to push back hard on that. Yeah, they do. I mean, so about a week or two ago, remember, Donald Trump confirmed that he had called BB to his face, fucking crazy. And then a couple of days ago, he did the same thing where he basically told, you know, basically he used obscenities to describe what he had told me, me, me, me, Net and Yahoo, like to fucking cut it out. I thought the exact words. But basically,

he, so twice in a couple of weeks, he's basically publicly confirmed that there's a, that there's a major difference in opinion between him and the Israelis. On his specific, issue, not as a... Which was what, bombing Lebanon? And by the way, just to be very clear, when Trump was asked, he even pointed out, we have no separation with Israel. Like, meaning, we are on the second time. And I think the, you know, I mean, I think the Israelis are, I mean, look, here's the thing. If I'm, I think the Iranians are fucking up in one way. They should demand a complete withdrawal of Israel, of Israeli forces from Lebanon. you know, including south of the Latani River.

Like, no buffer zones. I mean, honestly, if I were them, I would have also said, like, you pull out of the areas of Syria that you're occupying and you and you rein in your settlers on the West Bank. The whole thing. It's a whole thing. Like, we're looking out for our Palestinian brothers. Iran has power to do that.

I mean, I mean, we don't know the limits of their power in this case, which is maybe why they're accepting an agreement in the first place. Like, we're assuming that the reason they're, for one, I disagree with you. I don't think, and I'm not saying this poorly. Donald Trump can say whatever he wants. Trump says a lot of things that tends to be off the reservation. And there does seem to be this plan of putting all of this stuff on Israel as opposed to the U.S. accepting responsibility. The pathway to Persia, which path to Persia, points out this plan in detail. Hey, we're going to use Israel to be the senator. We're going to pretend as if Israel has gone road. and we're going to put all of this stuff on Israel, despite the fact that Israel is implementing U.S. policy.

I am of the mind that that is what's true. Nobody believes that. True. Nobody believes it. But that doesn't mean that that's not still the U.S. playbook. Trump has said that the U.S. and Israel are on the same page. Now, he might have disagreements on issues, meaning the U.S. has an issue from a standpoint of energy and gas and fuel prices spiraling to infinity that Israel may not necessarily to care about. So yeah, they may disagree on that issue. But up to this point, the only thing we have

ever seen was Israel do attacks and the U.S. turned a blind eye to those attacks. Let me ask you this. If Israel bombs Bay route after this is signed, let's say they bomb it two minutes after it's signed, do you think the U.S. looks the other way? Or do you think the U.S. tries to corral its dog? And if Iran attacks Israel in response, what do you think the U.S. looks the U.S. does because that's what matters. I think it corrals its dog and I think it and I don't think it does shit to Iran.

I think it left. If Iran hits Israel after the fact. If Iran hits Israel, the U.S. looks the other way. The deal is still on. Trump needs this deal. He has to have. He needs it. He has to have it. That's why I think you know, it's self-interest.

It's real politic. That's all. It's not because Trump just suddenly like became a peacemonger. He just decided that, you know, this is, this is, this is in his best interest because it is. I think this is a real positioning. I think the U.S. went after Iran, got it wrong, got it massively wrong. And from their point of view, they need to find a different position in order to deal. And so I agree with you that he needs the deal now in this specific moment. Give it 60 days. You've given enough. I mean, he, I mean, he would be, I mean, I, I mean, I, I

I know he's an asshole, but he'd have to be a mega super asshole of the variety we've never seen before to think like, oh, well, we now have 60 days of ships that have passed through the Strait of Ramos. Everything's cool. No, because there's still going to be a major shortfall in global oil supplies for the next, you know, prices aren't going to return. Even if everything's cool and that base holds, we're not going back to normal until next year, maybe. We pecked away at Syria for over a decade. I don't believe this is over. All right. Well, we have some comments to get through.

And by the way, I hope I'm wrong. I hope you are God, man, I hope you're right. I hope I can come on the show and be like, you know what? Ted Rawl was completely right. I was talking out of my ass. I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass even if I turn out to be right. So who knows?

I mean, we're just, I mean, because we don't really know what's going. I mean, here's the thing. I don't know if Donald Trump knows what he's going to be thinking in two, three weeks. But he's very reactive. Yeah. Okay, John Paul, let's race through these morning fellows. Ted, did you go to the UFC match? I live in New York, and if I lived in D.C., I still wouldn't have gone. Did you hear any of the planes? You know, the fighter jets going over the White House and stuff? Oh, I live in Richmond. Oh, right, right, right. Never mind. I always think that you're like, yeah, like Manila living.

I used to live in D.C. I mean, I live there. Hours away. You know, yeah. All right. So no, I did not. And I wouldn't have, I hate crowds anyway. F you so. Thanks for the dollar. So it looks like the Sciop movie, Discs. disclosure day is a flop, has Spielberg lost his game? I don't know. Scy up. I don't know. You got good reviews. It's, to be honest, I haven't watched it. I'm curious about it. I mean, you know, yeah. It came out at the exact same time as Donald Trump was putting out the third trunch of UFO files and UFO leaks. There is a belief that these things are dovetailing with one another, where you have a media arm that is putting out a narrative

and a point of view, and you have the political space that is putting out data and information simultaneously so that both of these things are dovetailing, that you are trying to explain something to the public before the government puts out more and more information to get the public entrenched with a certain point of view. Look, as I keep pointing out, be careful what you wish for. The reality of it is, yes, I want the stuff to come out. I've wanted this stuff to come out a long time, but your government believes in narratives. Truth is different. be careful what the narrative ends up being. That's the point that concerns me more than anything else if I'm being honest.

Couldn't agree more. Listen, we have an amazingly generous Sneaker Dad donation of $100. It really does mean a lot. Thank you so much, Sneaker Dad. And Sneaker Dad's comment is Iran should push to have Israel signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. Yes. I was saying that on Twitter on the weekend. And it went, my post went a little viral, you know, tens of thousands of views and thousands of comments,

mostly from angry Zionists who were basically calling me some version of retard. But there were many, many likes as well. And, you know, nobody, there was no one who could argue, you know, basically what I had said is that Israel should be forced to give up its nuclear arsenal. And, well, it's long-range missiles. If Ron can't have them, why should Israel have them? I mean, Israel, no country has attacked its neighbors more than Israel has. So, you know, I mean, it's, they're a dangerous country. And the response was, well, they haven't nuked anyone yet.

Eh, that's a small for it. Yeah. I mean, we know it's crossed their minds from the Samson option stuff. The mere fact that it's crossed their minds is kind of like reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have it, really. but what do you think? I agree with you. I don't even know what's a question. And in fact, that angry Zionists are responding

is more of an incentive to get rid of them. That's less, right? This is like the Rick and Morty thing. It's like your condemnation fills me with the pride of a thousand burning sons. It's kind of like that. I define myself by my enemies. If you guys are against it,

then that is more of a reason to be for it. The idea that we're supposed to be overly concerned about Iran's, quote, unquote, ability to get nukes, but we're supposed to turn a blind eye to Israel. Actually, having nukes is outrageous. A, the U.S. government knows they have nukes. The U.S. government is pretending like they don't know that they have nukes when everybody and their mama knows it's the most open secret on the planet. Why should they have them? Why should they have them?

They're untrustworthy as a country. I don't even think they should exist as a country, let alone. have nukes. By the way, you know, I mean, I always love the idea that, like, you know, calling for the state of Israel, according to these Zionists, is the same as calling for the genocide of the Israeli Jews who live there. It's like lots of nation state, getting rid of a nation state does not mean getting rid of the people who live in the borders of that nation state.

Exactly. They're not the same thing at all. And it's like, you know, of course, unless you really believe that the only thing that's keeping them alive is the existence of that station, that nation state, which, you know, I think is a fantasy. It's just not true. It's paranoia. Israel at some point has to act like a normal state. And this idea where we don't define our borders, we can attack our neighbors, we're trying to create greater Jerusalem or greater Israel, and for that we need to destroy Jordan, parts of Egypt, etc. This is a fantasy.

And apartheid regime. I mean, it's the only one on the planet. This is a fantasy that needs to be popped, and that fantasy doesn't pop until the U.S. abandons Israel. When the U.S. either collapse or- No, go ahead. Cannot happen a second too soon. Yeah. Yeah. Montana native, I think it's, either that or it's mountain native.

Thanks for the $5. How about them next, Ted? Yeah, it's, well, you know, I don't follow basketball, but, and I'm not, All I can say is I'm glad that I wasn't on the streets of New York that evening. Holy shit, the chaos. Wait, the next one. Did they want to lose? The next one, yeah.

They won in Game 5. The city erupted in festivities and a lot of violence. Someone was stabbed. There were some shootings. Three school buses of all things were set on fire. Yeah, there was rioting, basically. You know, celebratory riots. It's like, guys, this isn't soccer.

This is basketball. What are you doing? Part of me likes the ruckus. I don't want the burning school buses and stuff like that, but part of me finds that it's like we won and now we're going to trash New York to get across. It was bad. There was this, there was video online of a viral video of the driver of one of the school buses who was like a young black man. And he was crying and he was trying to protect his bus. And he said, that's going to come out of my paycheck. That's going to come out of my paycheck. which obviously is not true. But like, you know, I mean, still, he was really upset. Like, he was asking people not to do that.

And, um, you know, obviously they shouldn't burn school buses. No. Burn a bank, you know? Yeah. You know? Why do you think they never do stuff like? Like, they, they attack poor neighborhoods, which is always wild to me.

Yeah, that's, that, that's right. It's like, yeah, it's, you know, there's the Dead Kennedy song called Riot. And it's like, you know, it's like, you know, there's the Dead Kennedy song called Riot. And it's like, you know, burning people burn down their own neighborhoods instead of going into the neighborhood, the enclaves of the wealthy individuals and corporations who are really about them. Yeah.

You're going to do it? I mean, if you're going to protest, protest. Yeah. No burn down. Shouldn't right care of the world. You hurt the people and things that have it coming, you know? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. It's very strange to me. Let's see here. Oh, this is hilarious. An Amando Rocky, some say this dog has rabies and some says or some say rabbis. Mr. A. Lee, funny thing is the people of the U.S. government, if asked, would say they don't trust the U.S. government, but they expect foreign countries to trust it.

God, that's true. That's so good. Yeah. It's true. I mean, if you were being audited by the IRS, you probably wouldn't have a very, you probably wouldn't have a very. good feeling about it that you're going to be treated fairly if you get pulled over by the police you're probably not you know looking forward to what's about to ensue when the cop walks over your window and yet you know we're like we expect other countries to think like oh it's the u.s

government they're they're making you know their word is their bond i mean yeah which was i don't feel true at one point is damn sure not true now march 1661 brings up an interesting side point. Meethinks China whispered in Iran's ear. Why? I don't think so. Because I think Iran has over the course of this, this prize is independence. And by the way, even from the standpoint of a deal with Russia for security agreements, they didn't even do that because the other thing was our independence matters that much to us. I don't know if Iran, if China whispered in their ear. China whispered in their ear to say what? No, I mean, I mean, I can see China whispered. I think China stood

aside, you know, when your enemies are fucking up, you know, that's Napoleon, right? Let them decide to let them do it. I think that's all that's happening here. The Chinese certainly were like, they would have been happy to broker a peace deal, and

they're still waiting for their chance to do that, but they I think they were not seriously involved here. There needs to be guarantors to this deal though. I mean, That's the, and that's a risk. That's a risk.

Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to do it. Sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry. There's a little bit of. Oh, no, you're fine. I was just saying, if you're going to really make a deal, on some level, you may need

guarantors. The only people who will be guarantors would be China and Russia. But that is guarantors in the context of Israel who I don't trust. Meaning, if you're talking about a way to create a third world war, condition, right there. I don't trust them either. I mean, look, honestly, I've got to think that there is a substantially higher than 0% chance that conversations about like in Tel Aviv, like, are occurring along the lines of maybe we should nuke Tehran. You know, this would be like, if we can't account on the Americans anymore, you know, what's the point of this nuclear arsenal?

This is what it's for. It's the only, you know, what are the Americans? America is going to do nuke us? No, they'll cut us off, they'll isolate us. That's going to happen anyway. Maybe we should just go ahead and do that. But see, I don't know how many countries will believe that Israel will get that on their own. Well, I mean, you point out that most people or most countries know that Israeli actions in creating the greater Israel is directly related to America. Even the genocide was directly related to America, considering we were giving them billions of dollars to continue to do it, looking the other way and defending them as they did it. Yeah, Biden's terror. Right? Yeah, but if they turn around in nuke Tehran, I don't think people are going to believe that they did this without the belief or without the consent of the U.S. I gave it an example.

When they bombed Beirut, the reporting was that they asked the United States whether it was okay to do so, and they did it. I'm trying to point out that I don't think these things are completely discombobulated from one another. And I don't know how many people would believe that Israel would go so far as the new Tehran without the United States to give it. is tacit consent. I mean, look, it's a very, I mean, look, obviously that would come up.

Yeah. I mean, if there's, I mean, there's no way to prove a negative. If that happened in the U.S. had nothing to do with it, it'd be very hard for the U.S. to prove they had nothing to do with it. Exactly. But, you know, I mean. And everybody would assume. I mean, that's the problem, right?

I mean, look, the U.S. could severance ties to Israel for eternity and never return their calls again and still you know we're going to be saddled with the legacy of that relationship over the past 75 years right that is going to be that's going to be keep it's going to keep coming up and fucking us up you know the interest is going to keep coming due on this note right it's a it's a problem i mean i take that point completely um Costa constantinu ted loved your honest description of where we currently stand, but the dog will never be on its leash as it's been jumping on the bid to bite Lebanon at any opportunity and will stop, will not stop now. I'm not arguing that point. It may not stop now, but it will stop if it thinks that stopping will keep that flow of arms and money

coming in from the United States. You know, oh, weird. Okay. There we go. That's the rub. Will the U.S. tell the literal, you're no longer getting arms, you're no longer getting diplomatic protection, you're no longer getting money, if you continue to do this. No more hands. And you're by yourself when Ron hits you back.

If the U.S. does that, I will be back on the show saying Ted Raul was completely right. I think that Bibi has tested Trump so many times that Trump's now at the point where he's ready to file for divorce. You know, what's a while about it? I think the issue for Trump, believe it or not, is this idea that people think, especially Amaga, that Trump is being controlled by Israel. I think Trump bristles at that. I think any, I think his hubris and narcissism

bristles at disbelief that Bibi somehow controls him and that if it comes out where B.B. says that he can control Trump or that Trump is subordinate to Israel. Oh, I think that he bristles at that stuff. I agree. I think he whistles. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're making me look like a Puss. Yes. Yeah, making it look like a pussy, yes. I mean, that is true. There's no question about that. And by the way, I don't want to say pussy as a derogative term from the standpoint of vaginas. They're very strong. By the way, it's, you know, the term does not come from the vagina. It comes from, pussy comes from the word pusillamius. Really? Yeah. You know, nobody knows that, right? I didn't even know that. Yeah, nobody knows that. I looked it up like a year ago.

because some feminist was giving me a hard time about using that word. And I was like, I'm pretty sure it's not from that. And it's not. So feel free to use the P word as much as you want. It does not derive from the VAT. Now that I know, I would be like, look, man, I'm not being derogatory. It's not a sexist term. It just doesn't.

Yeah. I think we had a woman on the show. How would she regard some of the stuff? I used to have Manila as my co-host, obviously. And we used to ask Although Manila is like she's an unusual woman She does not give a shit like that Like that she's not woke

She's like talking to a guy Robbie what would Manila say about this I say she would not care Robbie you are muted No Manila would not care one bit And frankly if some woman got offended Because someone used to word pussy She would tell them stopping pussies

By the way Can we ever give Manila on this? show as a third person. I would love that on the show. Yeah. All right. I was going to talk to her in 21 minutes. Okay. All right. You don't like me, JT. Screw you. I know. You're fine. Bobby. I just live there's a minute on the show unless you just want to, you know, come in and a dress one day and pretend. But, hey, listen, I could be a tranny coming out with the dress. I bet you would like that. It's like, I don't want to. Yeah. You get something. woman, goddammit.

How dare you? That atomic regulatory, that woman? Who was that, like, trans person with the... The bald dude? Who was stealing. I know you talked about the one that got arrested for stealing clothes at the airport. Out of the luggage. Yeah, he kept stealing clothes.

I know what you're talking about... He worked for Biden, right? Yep. Yeah, he did. Wow. Yeah, he kept huge guy bald as day as outdoors and dresses... He might be the ugliest American. like out of 330 million people he might be the most ugly one Stephen Miller sorry he he he does not

hot by comparison I don't think so I mean can you imagine listen if you put Stephen Miller in a dress they look like brothers well Stephen Miller is totally like expect him to be like the precious yeah yeah right yeah thank you Sam Britton but was that dude's his name oh god yeah who Oh, Ted, should I drop this on J.T. What we were talking about before. Drop it, do it. So you'll find this hard to believe, J.T. But I offended someone.

You offended someone? I did. I offended a Christian Zionist. And he wants to come on to the show. And he wants to debate us. And specifically, yours truly, about how my replacement theology is, heresy from a Christian standpoint. And if the viewers are all about it, if you're all about it,

I'd like to extend this guy an invitation for the sole purpose of putting him on a cross publicly for the whole world to see. Fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, it's up to y'all on this one. I'm down for whatever everybody else goes with. Let's not do. We're not going to do an hour.

We'll do like 15 minutes. No, I mean, it would be short. And just, I mean, it'll be easy because. Well, Zionism is just a retarded thing to believe in anyway. It is retarded. It's like kicking a wet dog. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the whole Hasbara thing, right? It's just, it's like, you know what Hasbara is, right?

Yeah, unfortunately, yes. I mean, basically all it's about is just flooding. It's verbal abuse. It's literally like we will flood you with, you know, just garbage words over and over and over and over. until you just get tired and you go away. It's not about engaging or educating or trying to move the needle forward or having any kind of constructive debate

or convincing you of anything. It's just a, it's verbal bully. It's an argument to show that there's an argument, if that makes sense. It's a beat your wife argument of sorts. It's like, for example, when we're having a conversation, we're trying to come to some kind of agreement

or to really to understand where people are coming from. That's not about that. That's about we have a political objective in order to steal as much territory as possible and we need people out there soldiers, linguistic verbal soldiers in order to try to justify. We're not trying to have an agreement of sorts. We're trying to project a point of view. That's all. A brutal bashing point of view of why it's okay for us to steal this land and territory. That's all it is. It's not about agreement. It's not about understanding. It's not what I need that stuff. Well, I'm pretty sure that thou shalt not steal as one of the commandments

and also thou shalt not kill as one of the commandments. So if you're doing both of those things, odds are you're probably not doing this the right way. But it's not stealing if you take someone's stuff that God promised you. Yep. Yeah, God gave it to you. Yeah. Yeah, which God, Rimfam? Sorry, I don't worship that dude. Oh, and by the way, J.T.

That's the argument, right? God gave us this. By the way, J.T., you're 100% right. Ted, I love your brother. You are so wrong. That dog is not going to behave. We'll see. All right. I always like me. I was not being a minority. All right. I'm going to, I'm a dog owns Congress. No, but JT's always had the point of view, and I agree with them that the U.S. controls Israel. It's not the other way around. No, absolutely not. And listen, J.T. No, this might play to your case because I solely believe that Israel calls the shots and that they own Trump, they own Congress. And if you're a narcissist like Trump, that's got to burn his biscuits.

I agree with you. The thing is, Trump's not the one in charge. So who cares what he thinks? It's not about him. It's about who controls the Uniparty. The Uniparty is controlled by the Jewish lobby. Let's be honest here. Let's call it what it is.

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Stop talking about trans people. if you guys have zero education on them, I would never support your show, monetarily, because every week you throw the word training around, how disappointing. Okay, for what? We don't throw that word around. The only time I've ever heard it being used was when Robbie just used it, unless it happened before me. I am not a fan of the word training. I am not also a word police, though.

So I'm not going to police Robbie on this. I kind of want people to be able to make their case. I don't think you would find any greater defenders of the trans community than Ted and I, in this case, meaning from laws, from commentary coming from the president, all of that stuff. By the same token, I do think this stuff has gone too far. Like, the civil rights movement won resoundingly, and I think they won so much that people looked around and thought, hey, what other space can we take? And I think they kept going to the left.

And I think this stuff has gone too far. And I say this from the standpoint of somebody who is a firm defender of LGBTQ and whatever other advocates you want to add to it. Yeah, I don't know. I understand where you're coming from with that comment. I am not going to police speech because I have a hope. I don't, under normal circumstances, I think we've gone too far in this policing of speech. But you guys can have your own takes on them. I have literally absolutely nothing.

to add to that. I totally agree. I mean, yeah, we've gone too far and totally. That's, that's right. Robbie, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're the, uh, you're the offender here. So, um, floor is, um, I will say what I want to say. And if you don't like it, that's your problem, not mine. And I'm not going to, and I'm not going to, uh, police your speech. Uh, Robbie, I think you can say, like, have I ever once asked you ever to censor yourself self-censor, you know, control what you say, blah, blah, blah, in any respect whatsoever. No, because the thing is, once you start policing speech, you start trying to police thought because you can't have one without the other.

And if you're like someone's opinion or if you like someone's idea or if you think that someone has a bad idea, then you don't censor them. You bring an idea with evidence to change that person's mind. Censorship does not do that. That citizenship just means that you're weak and that you're stupid. So if you want to change my mind about it, then the sentium is not the way to do it. And to Ted's point, what you do in your house, I don't care about who you sleep with. I don't care about what you do in the privacy of your home.

I don't care about. But if you start demanding with a banette point using the power of the state that I must accept what you consider reality whenever you can't accept yourself for who and what you are, you're never going to win. that on me. So, and also, I am a, I am a fundamentalist Christian. Christianity says it is wrong. I will stand on that. And again, if that, if that offends you, well, sorry, it hurt your feelings. No, if that's a lie, I'm not sorry I hurt your feelings at all. Look, I think one of the biggest problems that we have in American politics and that we don't talk to each other and we don't know each other, right? So, you know, the kinds of people, who were really excited by yesterday's cage match are people that most of my friends never meet,

don't know, can't relate to, couldn't relate to. And so forget about having any common ground. They literally would just be a take offense if they overheard them or whatever in some of the rhetoric that they use. And vice versa, right? Like a lot of those people, you know, they don't really know, you know, people like me. And they're literally like, oh, you know, You loved, you know, you loved Joe Biden. Like, no, I didn't love Joe Biden. You know, you don't, we need to know each other as Americans. And let me just say, if the baseline rule for getting to know each other and talk to each other is that, you know, well, you know, is when we start to say each other to each other, well, you can be 98% yourself, but you can't be 100% yourself around me.

Well, you got nothing. I mean, you know, people have to be able to be completely open. Otherwise, you have no political dialogue. And being politically open, being totally open means you're going to say and do things that other people are going to find offensive. It's just the nature of things. And so, you know, I don't like the word tranny. I don't use it. But the thing is, I don't also take offense at Robbie using it.

Look, people are entitled to take offense at anything. want but but it's kind of like um i think it's important for robbie and me and jermal and all of us to just be ourselves and be real and that's something that we strive for here and so you know you you guys listen to it and you can watch it and decide what you like and what you don't like and if you don't want to support the show obviously you don't have to um and we'll miss you and we're sorry but we're not good but we're not sorry enough to censor ourselves or colleagues You know, we're not going to. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it's a distraction. Listen, a dude and address has never hurt me, all right.

I think they're weird. I think they're kind of crazy, maybe a bit nutty. But a dude and address has never hurt me. The people who hurt me are the guys who are in these expensive $10,000 and $20,000 suits who run our country and who use issues like this as a wedge because, listen, these two guys to my left, conveniently so are to my left for a reason. But we're able to make calls on the people who are screwing each and every. single one of us every single day. And if the idea that I use the word tranny means that we can't work together, all that does diminish you because we're going to disagree on social issues. And that's okay. The bigger issues are matters. To be fair. They don't think it's a distract. The fact that I'm an atheist, you know, and he's a devout believer. Right. And both of us can still, all of us can still engage. Look, I don't think it's, it's a distraction from our point.

of you because that's not an issue of our identity to somebody who, which is the brilliance of woke stuff in the political space. There's a reason that Clinton and the Democrats went to this as opposed to economic issues because they know that that stuff is prized deeply among the people who have effectively affiliated with it. I guess that my argument against taking offense to it would be people are always going to have things that they disagree about. And it's one thing to disagree and say, okay, well, this woke stuff I find to be nonsense. We should focus on the issues that matter. That part I agree with. Like, regardless of what you think about the use of the word, do we agree on 75, 80% of items that affect each and every one of us? And if the answer is

yes, then obviously I disagree with Robbie's religious take. That doesn't stop me from having a conversation with Robbie. Obviously, I disagree with Robbie about going to the moon. Again, that does stop me from agreeing with Robbie. Hell, I even say, that I'd vote for if he ran in a race. Meaning, there's never going to be 100% political allegiance with anybody. Ted and I are disagreeing on the wrong thing right now. It doesn't stop our overall agreement in regards to what we want to take place. I don't know.

I'm trying to say it's more complicated than just, well, he said this word, so F that guy. It is complicated, and we'll continue to hash out the issues of, you know, verbal and identity politics versus class analysis and all that. In future shows, and we hope you'll continue to tune in. We should talk about Mitch McConnell. Mitchell Connell is sick again. He froze up a few times on camera while giving press conferences. He's been sick a bunch of times.

Look, as a 62-year-old man, I hope 84 isn't a death sentence. But, you know, I mean, he could, he doesn't, he looks very unwell, has looked unwell for a while. His current term is due to expire at the beginning of next year. And, you know, the Senate, Senate hangs in the balance. If that, if he were to die, my understanding is that the governor of Kentucky, Andy Bashir, would appoint his replacement. He would appoint a Democrat. That would be effectively a two-vote shift, right? Because, you know, plus one minus one. So that would be a pretty dramatic change, right, for the Republicans. Mitch McConnell is ancient.

And I'm stuck with, I'm stuck with being an American and being a human being. And being a human being stuck with all of the, I guess, the defects that come along with it. We like our monsters under normal circumstances. So Bush starts a war, but America still, you know, it's like, oh my God, they're giving candy to Bush. This is so adorable for the Obamas to do this. We like our monsters. And I guess I feel the same way about McConnell. McConnell. McConnell is a monster, just like many of the other ones. Even though as a human being, I feel some kind of way about him being about the drop dead. That being said, putting the emotion to decide, because oftentimes I'm distrustful of emotions, and this is exactly why. The reality of it is, McConnell is a monster. McConnell will drop dead at some point. And hopefully Bashir can put in somebody who puts a chill on Trump's behavior. I'm struggling saying this because I don't really believe.

the Democrats are going to do anything with it. I guess my thing is, does this or the very least hold up what Trump is doing? Does it bring us closer to getting some kind of agreement to stop the war where the war powers resolutions use, those type of things? But I don't know. My feelings for McConnell is based on familiarity, not because of sympathy or anything like that, if that makes sense. Agreed.

Again, I have nothing to add to that. So it's good. Two other stories and some more comments. So these are very quick, though. Trump wants to link the Save America Act, which is going to require proof of citizenship in order to vote to renewing the Section 702 of FISA. I'm like, I don't want either one. So I don't understand.

I'm like, what's the strategy here? Do you understand it? Because I don't get it. I mean, maybe he thinks that Congress wants Pfizer and so he can force in a Save America Act. This is not about America, though. Let's be very clear. No. It's going to force, by the way, all the women, ironically, most of whom are Republicans,

who change their names to match their husbands to change their names, right, to their husband's names, because their birth certificate is what is the main proof of identity that most Americans use to prove that they were born in the United States. A lot of Americans don't have passports. So they would have to go to court and prove that they change their name or change their name or get like some kind of writ from the court that said, this is who I am. And I mean, it would disenfranchise a lot of Republican women. It's a really, I mean, it's stupid.

I really don't have a problem with the Voter ID Act, which would just be like, I'll bring an ID, like a state issued ID. I don't have a problem with that at all. But that's not what the Save America Act is. It's a Prove Your Citizenship Act, which is not the same thing at all. I don't have a problem with a voter ID, providing that their voter ID is mailed. In Virginia, they... It should be free.

Yeah, they mailed the voter IDs to people to ensure that each person had the voter ID, or at the very least where a person can go and get the voter ID. I don't have an issue with it if it's free. The only people should be able to get them too, you know? Yeah, agree. So I don't have an issue with that. My issue is with all of this other stuff around it that they're adding to it. And let's see, we'll do a few, we'll do a few, we'll do a few, we'll do a few.

you comments. Zoya is love. Majority of socialist countries are traditional. US left does become equivalent to LGBTQ, which is used to pinkwash U.S. imperialism. Zoya's love, fuck identity politics. Agreed. Harry, yeah, I agree.

I don't want to swinging Willie around my granddaughters in the locker room. Red lines people. So he has love, identity politics, is poison to class struggle, toxic individualism used to pride and conquer. I couldn't agree more about that. And last, we have two minutes left. The Brits just, this is moving very quickly to ban social media for people under the age of 16, Canada, Australia, Brazil, Indonesia, and now Great Britain are going to do this very quickly. It's obviously an English commonwealth thing, first and for the most, but I mean, is that going to come to the United States, do you think?

Oh, man, I don't know. I mean, if so, it's going to come through Democrats. Democrats take power. Who knows? I mean, I don't trust any of these people in the political space, but they, look, I think what the problem and what it boils down to is that social media, these countries, including the U.S., had almost an absolute control over, narrative. I think that's what it boils down to. And that from the standpoint of social media, social media is a way of destroying any individual narrative that somebody is coming up with because those narratives immediately get bifurcated and challenged in a way that wasn't necessarily true, let's say 10 years ago or five years ago, even, give or take. I think on some level,

this is a way to, A, keep track of people, basically to get identities of individuals once they get online, whereas now many of the people are anonymous. But two, more to the point, control. I think it's about control. Yeah, even if people are thinking that social media is making them miserable, which I believe is true. I agree that the solution here is one that's going to just increase government control. Everyone thanks so much for tuning in to D-Program. We're here at 9 a.m. every morning, Eastern Time. We'll be back tomorrow. Stay tuned for TMI coming up right now. And in two hours from now, JT. and Robbie and I,

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