DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - War in Pieces | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Editorial cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM Eastern time. Today we discuss: • Donald Trump skipped his son’s wedding to spend a wild weekend in Washington, where he announced that permanent peace was at hand as well as the release of $24 billion belonging to Iran, then a temporary memo of understanding meant to last 30 days, then a concept that needed to be ironed out, and finally wound up bombing Iranian boats and missile launchers in “self-defense.” Complicating peace talks, Trump encouraged Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and Jordan to join the Abraham Accords with Israel. • After security minister Ben Gvir released a video of him abusing them, Gaza flotilla activists kidnapped by Israel in international waters said that IDF soldiers tortured them with tasers and rubber bullets and broken their bones. Activists also accused Israel of systemic sexual violence, including “multiple accounts of rape,” and “forcible penetration by a handgun.” • A federal judge in Tennessee dismissed criminal charges against Kilmar Abrego García, an immigrant who was wrongfully deported to El Salvador. Meanwhile, Columbia grad Mahmoud Khalil appeals to SCOTUS. • Skanky Attorney General Ken Paxton, endorsed by Trump, is heavily favored to defeat 5-term Senator John Cornyn in Texas. JOIN US LIVE ON RUMBLE https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShow FOLLOW TED: https://rall.com/ https://x.com/tedrall LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/2kdFlw2w8sSPhKI8NRx8Zu LISTEN ON APPLE MUSIC: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deprogram-with-john-kiriakou-and-ted-rall

Good morning. You are watching The Program with Ted Rall and Jamarlem Thomas. I need to figure out if people can see us. Let me just hit a button here. Maybe that'll work. I think I know what the problem is. No, that didn't work. Weird. Okay, there we go. Okay. Oh, you were able to see this? Yeah. Okay. I wasn't able to see us. Different, you know, when you're running the Rumble studio, it looks different than on your... on the back end. That's beautiful smiling face. You're fine. Thank you. Thank you. Much appreciated, Robbie.

All right. So good morning, everyone. It is Tuesday, May 26th, 2020. Hope that you guys had a wonderful holiday weekend, maybe a little less chaotic than the president's and the chaos that he inflicted on the Middle East over the weekend. We'll get into that. We'll talk about these very serious allegations,

coming out of the survivors of the Gaza Fotilla, who returned back to places like Ireland to tell some pretty harrowing stories of what happened to them at the hands of the IDF. And today is Election Day in Texas and other places. There's a special election in Texas that the nation is watching. It's the most expensive Senate primary race in American history, $100 million spent as challenger Ken Paxton, supported by Donald Trump, is going up against five-term incumbent Senator John Cornyn, who appears likely to lose. So what do you want to talk about first, J.T? Well, you know, I like foreign policy. So let's do it. All right. So should I describe,

so you want to describe like what happened over the weekend? Like basically, we had a roller coaster from Friday to today. Yeah. So what it brought down to? is there were all of these talks about peace talks. And in the context of the talks, there were comments coming out both sides, meaning the US White House and coming out of the Iranian side, effectively saying that the gap is being narrowed in regards the talks.

Trump, the neocons get wind of this and lose their minds. So Ms. Lindsay freaks up. You get Mike Pompeo freaking out. Basically, the neocons start screaming, oh, my God, you can't sign this deal because the deal effectively that the New York Times put out with a surrender document by the United States. I mean, we were giving them the money back. We were opening the blockade. War is supposed to stop on our fronts. And this brings in other interesting questions about whether Israel would even stop.

And brings in the questions about whether or not Nanyahu calling for more murder in seven Lebanon is directly related. to this idea that the gap is narrowing, pointing out, we're not stopping. We don't care what you do in regards to some kind of deal. This goes back and forth. Trump puts out a bunch of absurd tweets. Everything from the Republic state of Iran will get rid of its uranium, even giving it to us, or for the matter of diluting it, which is a changeover, A, in the rhetoric that Trump is using, and in regards to expanding what he is saying can happen to uranium. Basically, he is walking his comments before back. Then he comes out, yeah, let's slow down on negotiations and let's take our time with the negotiations, et cetera.

Trump has talks with Saudis, Bahrainians, UAE's, etc., all the people in the Middle East. And at some point, even drops that, hey, I want all of you to sign Abraham Accords, which was met with just silence. It's like you're out of your mind. This isn't happening. Meaning it was chaotic in that sense. In the Middle East, what you ended up with skirmishes between the United States, in Iran where the U.S. apparently attacked boats, fishing boats, and the Iran-in military. Iran responded by firing anti-ship missiles. The U.S. ends up bombing certain areas of Iran, I believe it's the coastal cities of Iran,

in which case Iran responded by shooting down one of the Reaper drones. Actually, I think it was two Reaper drones and firing at the aircraft. Israel has decided to, well, two things. Hezbollah has been chewing Israel up in southern. Lebanon with FPV drones during the daytime and now at night because apparently they have nightscope goggles associated with them. Israel has decided that they wanted to escalate the balance in southern Lebanon with additional strikes with Nanyahu, who effectively was saying go murder as many people you can murder in that region. It has been chaos. It has been chaos. I put it badly. Unless there was

something else that was going on that I was unaware. No, I mean, I think that that pretty much summarizes all the basics. You know, and the thing is, we went from Friday where it looked, I mean, the president skipped his son's wedding, which I thought was remarkable. And, you know, there was, there was speculation that he was either heading back to Washington to bomb or invade Cuba or to bomb and invade Iran or to make peace with Iran. It started out, well, I'm making peace with Iran. And for once, the Iranians kind of somewhat confirmed what Trump had to say and said, well, cautious. it looks pretty good, but we'll wait and see, but so far so good. And then Trump went back to

doing what he always does, which is, first of all, to message triumphalism, I'm getting everything I want, I'm going to have the deal, the perfect deal that I wanted, the Iranians won't get anything they want. It's like, the Iranians are like, seriously, you keep doing this. And then you mentioned this ridiculous request that the Gulf states join the Abraham Accords. I mean, you know what Donald Trump reminds me of? I never, I only waited tables for a month of my life, but you know how like the worst customer in a restaurant is like the one who keeps, you know, sending the waiter back for one thing after another. Like, oh, do you give everything you need? Yeah, can I get some salt? Oh, sure. I'll be right back. They bring you back.

Well, actually, can I have mustard too? And then you. And it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, another glass of water instead of being like salt, mustard water, right? And laying it all out up front. And it's kind of like if you've ever been in a business negotiation or a divorce negotiation or anything with someone like that, you can't get anything done. This is Mr. Art of the deal. I don't think he ever did any deals because you can't negotiate that way. I mean, basically it's like you've got to really say right up front what you need. You might be able to do a second round, but nothing huge.

But you can't have a bunch of basic terms laid out and then supplemented with big blockbusters like the Abraham Accords. I mean, the Iranians have to think that Trump is, I don't know if Trump's not serious. I don't think that's really fair to say. I think he would like a deal. I think he's just too stupid and crazy to get a deal across the finish line. Yeah. So I think that what Trump says often is for public consumption and has nothing to do with reality. I honestly think that. I can't come to any other thing. It may very well be, okay, I'm going to let the negotiators do what they do. This is the stuff I'm going to project them. Because there was something that came out from the White House where I think it was Dropside was reporting.

that the White House effectively told the negotiators, pay no attention to Trump. Do what you do. Now, there is seemingly difficulty in getting a deal because the White House walked back some of its promises, meaning in the memorandum of understanding that they were creating, the White House walked back some of the items. And obviously, he's getting pressure from neocons

and screaming at him that he lost the war. In fact, you're seeing this in the Atlantic, you're seeing this in various publications. Trump lost. the war. This is the greatest blunder that America has ever ran into. And I suspect that what he finds himself in is a quagmire. How do you get out of this? Without like an hour. Instantaneously, seven weeks. How do you get out? Like, meaning your narcissism and hubris is now weighed against the world economy. And I don't know which one Trump is going to choose. And plus,

he is chained like he's chained to Netanyahu as if to a cinder block right yes so even even if he's able I mean the thing is right I mean peace negotiations between two countries that have been hostile towards each other for half a century are an incredibly needless to say an incredibly delicate operation you know it's not to be done by some you know some oaf this is not rowing a rowboat this is like piloting a schooner, right? It's like, you know, this is like, it's delicate business. And Trump is unable to focus. He's unable to, you know, to, to provide, you know, to communicate to the other side in a way that makes sense. I mean, sometimes you can say, listen, I'm going to have to beat you up a little bit domestically, but between you and me, we have a deal. But you can only do that after

trust has been established. You can't do that on the international stage, you know, like at a point, like, you know, Iran, which we, you know, let's not forget, right, we just murdered a bunch of their people, including school children. We killed their supreme leader. We've been assassinating their public, their top officials, including the equivalent of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff six years ago. And we're bragging about it all the time. So, you know, I mean, the Iranians, obviously, I don't know if hate us is really the word, but they just can't trust or anything that they probably hate us, they should, but they can't trust anything we have to say. So, I mean, I don't think, I mean, I think in a way Trump's best plan at this point would be to

bring in some kind of outside negotiator. It's too bad Jimmy Carter is dead. But like, you know, to bring in someone who would have some credibility. in the region, maybe, I mean, none of this is going to happen. I mean, like a John Kerry or someone like that and bring them in and have them do this and just stay out of the way and just say, like, let me, like, you know, hiring a lawyer, like, let me know what the deal is and I'll just sign when you're done. I mean, because Trump can't do it. Rubio can't do it. You know, I mean, Hegseth can't do it. They just don't have the personnel, they don't have the talent pool able to do this.

Well, technically, Iran and the U.S. aren't negotiating directly. The Pakistan is getting to meet a year between the two. And it seems like the Pakistanis are doing a decent job. I mean, they're doing what they can, given the certain. They're doing what they can, right? I mean, all things have been equal. The U.S. is still the U.S. regardless of who you have as a front person for it. Look, I, there are certain questions.

I agree with you. And don't forget, attack them in the middle of them. Don't forget that. Twice. Yeah. And they're doing, by the way, I guess we have to say three times, right? J.T. I mean, they just did that this weekend. You just said like, oh, we're close to a deal.

Like we're, you know, it's going to be the best deal, the fantastic deal. And now you started bombing Iran again. Yeah. By the way, I, I smell Netanyahu all over this shit. It may be, I mean, like, the interest. in question is going to be even if you get a deal, even if you get one, whatever that deal is, A, it's going to be worse than the JCPOA. We need to be very clear about that. That's why I thought, by the way, JT, I thought it was fascinating on Friday afternoon when we all

headed off to the weekend, right, that basically, you know, Friday, we call this that you and I in the business, we call this the weekend news dump, right? Because traditionally and historically, when this all goes back to print newspapers, nobody reads the Saturday newspaper. It's like really, really thin as a result. And that's why it's the most important paper of the week to read back in the day. And so whenever official Washington wanted to do something, and it's going to be in the public, but they want it to kind of process out and maybe be supplanted by other news by Monday morning when people are paying attention and they're back from their barbecues, then, you know, it's like you release it on Friday afternoon, like let's say a torture report or something like that,

comes out Friday morning, or Tulsi Gabbard, who we're not talking about, having stepped down as Director of National Intelligence. That happened on Friday. So all those kind of things. Now, the thing is, the world has changed. Saturday is a huge day on the internet, which is where most people get their news. But official Washington is still old school, and they're still reading print, and they're old. So they're still thinking in the old way. But I thought, okay, so Memorial Day weekend is kind of a news blackout time. It's the beginning, it's the semi-official beginning of the summer in the United States. People are heading to the beach.

The beaches, the public pool opens for the first time. The barbecues come out. So I thought Trump was going to take advantage of these three days to cut a deal with the Iranians, knowing he's going to be humiliated, but at least he comes out of it like, okay, we're not going to talk about the details, but I made peace. and this war is over, and now I can go attack Cuba. That was my take on Friday afternoon. And it's like he just couldn't, that's not, he squandered his weekend.

He should have attended his son's wedding. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with him. He couldn't steal the deal. I mean, I suspect that people were screaming at him in his ear, that you failed. I bet J.D. Vance is going crazy. Yeah, I suspect they were losing their mind. By the way, we should talk about Tosca.

Let's. Because I am curious on your take on this. Like, yes, I accept that her husband is cancer. Just being like, accept her husband as cancer. Yeah. But the fact that we have to say that says a lot about where we are. It does. There is like, is it 100% that he has cancer?

No. Not in the age. It's not. Yeah, it could be an AI generated husband, right? It's like, but I accept her husband as cancer. Sure. first. Two, she should have came out differently. And that's why I want to get your take on this. In fact, I think I want to get your take first because I'm curious on your thoughts about Tossing

Abbott, A, within the context of the administration and B, the way that she's leaving. Sure. Well, just a reminder to everyone, by the way, if you have a question or a comment, please put it in the live chat and Rumble or YouTube, and we will answer it. And priority goes to the paid ones, which are the Rumble Rents and the Super Chat. Thanks, everyone for supporting the show. We can't do it without you guys, really, truly can't do it without you guys. All right. So Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.

were the two progressive Democrats to the left of the Democratic Party who were brought into the Trump administration as part of this sort of novel coalition that this second term of Trump began with. So Tulsi is much watched, right? And so her husband has cancer. Now, the thing is, I know lots of people who have had. I've been friends with people who have had and died or recovered from cancer. And let me just say, it's bullshit that the spouse has to quit their job to take care of their spouse with cancer, right?

I mean, it's like they're going to be like your spouse has cancer. Yeah, they need support. But, you know, they do chemo. you don't have to take every day off from work. You know, you can, you know, and often like you can hire, it's just about someone needs to drive them to there. You know, you can hire a lift. I mean, really seriously, it's kind of like his blood cancer, he needs chemo, that's what this is going to be about, right? And I mean, you know, Godspeed, I hope he recovers quickly, right?

But the point is that it's an excuse. He was going, she was going to be pushed out. she was already kind of almost a minister without portfolio, ironically, because I mean, DNI on paper sounds like an incredibly powerful position. You know, literally, she's in charge of the entire intelligence community. You know, it was created after 9-11 to sort of coordinate all these disparate agencies like NSA and CIA. But it turns out that basically, you know, it's kind of like you're kind of an empty suit, and it must have been very frustrating for her to have that job.

She was looking for, I mean, I think we all knew she was either going to be fired because Trump was very unhappy with what she had to say, which was namely the truth about how Iran did not have nuclear weapons, was not seeking nuclear weapons, did not have long-range missiles of any kind. I mean, she was careful to protect the president as much as she could, but she still had to tell the truth. She was under oath, and she did, and I know Trump wasn't happy about it. And so after that, I thought her days were numbered.

So I was not surprised to see her go. This seems to be like they obviously picked the timing. This was a Friday afternoon news dump. No question about it. And we barely talked about it, right? Like by Tuesday morning, it's kind of like an almost an afterthought, given everything else that's happened. But yeah, I'm interested in what you think, too, JT.

I mean, I just thought. I agree with you. I agree with everything you just said. But as bad as cancer is, I mean, it, granted, it depends on the person. It depends on the cancer. It depends on how aggressive and all that stuff. But a lot of people work and still has cancer because they don't have a choice but to work while they have cancer. Yeah.

And this is not even the person. This is the spouse. So I want to put it in context. But I agree with everything you just said on it. Tulsi should have came out and put a knife in Trump on a way out, just like Joe Kent, put a knife on Trump. on his way out. This is my ethical, moral, um, responsibility, um, that I've taken oath to, to the country, not to some rando that is in charge at the moment, meaning I'm going to be a patriot on my way

out. And I'm going to point out that this war should not be happening that Iran does not have nukes, nor are they trying to get nukes. I'm Tulsa Gabbard. I'm leaving. And say nothing about the fact that her husband has cancer. Yeah. She should, She's taking her patriotic responsibility in the seriously. Agreed. That's the point I'm making. Because people kept asking this question and should cost Tulsi stay and agitate internally for a point of view. Okay, but dude, her point of view is not being found.

Like that is not being expoused in this administration. The entire point of Tulsi, people like RFK Jr., even advanced on some level, were to be tokens. token magas that were basically there to say hey, we don't believe in foreign wars. We want to do stuff differently. We are a voice for the things that we're talking about doing differently

and we're now in Trump's administration. Okay, those people were neutered. They cut their balls off. And I'm including Tulsa Gabbard in that. True. And so regardless of what she may be saying behind the scenes, obviously her point of view

was not being espoused on the world stage. She's out. And I guess I'm saying She would have set the stage, right? Like if she had been become the second major administration official to resign under protest, you know, because of that,

it would have set the stage for a third to inevitably follow. And that would have closed the deal. I agree with you 100%. She should have, that's what she should have done. Did you read her Lickspittle resignation letter? I mean, it wreaked a fear to me. She's afraid.

Yeah. If Tulsa Gabbard is scared, that should tell us something. Yeah, isn't she like a captain in the National Guard? I mean, she's actually... She's a national guard. Yeah, she's in the military. I mean, she's not someone I would fuck with. Exactly.

I mean, I've seen Tulsa Gaput and put bullets in and stuff and everything else. She's a colonel. I suspect a colonel, thank you. I suspect a fear, though, will be a power issue, not an individual. Well, she's, I mean, she's definitely like a woman without a party at this point, right? I mean, she's certainly not a Democrat anymore. And, you know, I guess she, whatever Republican bona fides she has, I mean, you know, this is basically like a Soviet show trial where you have to confess to everything. Otherwise, they're going to jack up your family. And it's like,

and it's like, this is like that. I mean, she's obviously been told like, you'd be nice. You got to go the right way and then you know nothing bad will happen to you and who knows we you know you might end up on fox yeah but if that was the case what about joe kent he didn't care yeah he he went yeah he rolled the way we would have rolled he didn't do a shit trump insulted his his wife who died in one of his stupid foreign wars there in syria and the fact that he went after his wife i mean uh if if you have got a pair of grapes between your legs that should be enough for any man to say I don't care. Apparently, it was a wonder going.

Ted Cruz. You called Ted Cruz being ugly. Well, Ted Cruz was sitting on their Trump. Well, it's because Ted has nothing hanging between his legs. The dude has no grapes. Let's just be honest here. I mean, it's Ted Cruz. Yeah.

I'm just one. Give me your take on this, Robbie. I mean, should she have went nuclear when she went up? 100%. Yeah, she should have. Yes. No, she 100% should have. She didn't.

I think that probably would have. it is is she is thinking about future employment opportunities and if you burn that bridge with the the gmps establishment you can kiss your job that fox news goodbye i'm going to meet myself because kizzi decided to start back in me now okay that's it that's but that's it that is exactly it right i mean this is about um careerism let's uh do some comments here man child thanks for the two bucks good morning trump demands Arab solidarity in an accord with a state that vilifies Muslims. Instead of committing political suicide, why don't they nut up and take a stand against President

Fukwad? Jewish supremacy. That's effectively what the Abraham Accords is over Arab fits. Why would anyone have an interest now in getting into bed with Israel at a time when their star is fading fast? money economic opportunities there's not going to be my only thing i can think of it's like hey because this idea that you're protected is nonsense right like like you can't play that card of these military bases are surrounding iran and they're offering us protection and we're yeah we're humiliating yeah it made them a target you mean they have to know that now they can't they're not protected

they can be well you need to be what they need to be doing is sending emissaries to to Tehran and like, you know, hey, let's have some tea. Let's sit down. Let's talk. Hey, we have some really nice carpets. Want one? Let's have some hookup. You talk about the Democratic candidate in Austin who wants to repurpose ice camps.

I do not know about that. So do you guys know about that? I didn't know about that. Okay. Let's look into that. Okay. Manchow, didn't congressional Republicans cancel a vote on invoking the War Powers Act? Yes.

Because they have enough votes to block it. Yeah, we talked about it last week. Yes. Maybe Bluth Funk. Guys, I genuinely think the Dems were going to invade Iran, too. I don't think they were, I mean, they thought about it. They considered it. They just didn't think they could.

Well, I think the difference is, and I still make this point, that Syria is fall. Like, from their point of view, Syria was an open door to Iran. Syria, when it was under Breshala side, was it barely so. Iraq was an open door to Iran. So, Syria. Yeah. I mean, Syrian air defense, especially. I mean, when Israel is doing bombing rates, it's going through Syria for those bombing rates.

Yeah. I mean, look, and Israel had that camp out in the, in the Iraqi desert. Yeah. Well, that was the new thing that came out, too, that Israel apparently had a camp that Iraq didn't know about. And then they, and then, yeah, some shepherd came across it. Crazy. And they killed him. Horses are people, too.

I kind of feel bad for Tulsi. She's not exactly a revolutionary, but she seemed like a good woman, and she constantly got shit on for no reason in the administration. It wasn't for no reason, but, yeah. Like when I say it's no for no reason, it's like if you are office of DNA, and they say, we need a report on her own. What the administration expects is a report that is saying everything that they're saying. Not a report saying they don't have weapons.

She's not going to do that. She has too much of the agency. What's going to do it? So, give a credit. That's the thing, right? Like, sort of like, it's very tempting when, basically, she, you know, it's like when you're the odd man out, which she was, she and RFK Jr. Are the odd man out in this administration.

You get shit on. They don't view you as a precious jewel to hold close. They view you as like, we only brought, you know, we're OG, we're serious, we're MAGA. You're just here because, first of all, you're a traitor to your party. and you have nowhere else to go, and we needed you to get like 6% of the vote, and now we don't need you anymore. That's how they knew you, you know?

Sorry, train is going on a new background. I put one like that. Oh, that's okay. Mr. Blameau, she shouldn't have been in politics if she was gonna drop out because her spouse had cancer. That's harsh, but maybe not wrong. Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, it's hard.

That's hard, go. Maybe Bluth Funk got, dies, thanks for the $2, by the way. Tinfoil had idea. Gabbard's cancer is an excuse. Well, it's Gabbard's husband's cancer. Is an excuse for an out. Like Carolyn Levitt's pregnancy is going to be just a thought.

It can be both. It can be both. Like, meaning he could actually have cancer and she could use it as a way out. Yeah, yeah. Plus, we don't know how long she's known about it, right? I want to. So, Tels, the Frazmatas, Tulsi was an occult run by a guy named Butler, an offshore of the Harak Krishna.

I really liked Tulsi and still want to like her, but the cult thing is a huge red flag. Is that true? Fraudanthaz is usually reliable, so I don't know. She was involved in a Harry Krishna thing. Really? Yeah. Don't take this video of this stuff,

especially with the association with Modi and stuff like that. It gets a little weird. That's not a reason for me to dislike her. It's just not, I mean, like, because what I care about is what she does in a political sense. and she's not president. So it's not like, oh, my God, she's part of this. And so it's not that.

And to be honest, I don't even know how close she was. I just know there was some kind of association that she's always, that they always bring up. That doesn't affect me. Like, what I care about is, does she want to go to war here or next? Will she have been going to be on wars? And I know Robbie's going to be mad about this, but it's like, yeah, I mean, basically it's like with religion,

It's like, okay, so she belongs to, she flirted or belongs to a wacky religion that I don't really believe in. But frankly, so do most congressmen and presidents, right? As a rule, like, I have to accept that Christianity is part of the thing. Like, for example, for the UFO thing, many of the people who were in the military were Christians. And many of them thought that the experiments and investigations that the U.S. government was doing was opening the gates of hell, quote unquote. go, there's a far big close quote. He said they thought that we were opening the gates of hell.

I got it. Okay. Let's not go to theological, but Robbie, as the theological expert here, is there any kind of case to be made that, you know, open,

that you would open the gates of hell by reaching out to aliens? No, that's something that human beings cannot do. It's like, we cannot help Jesus come back. We, nor can we open the gates of hell. That is a power we do not have.

Happens, happens. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter me. Personally, I believe what we see with UFOs and things is, especially if you go through read Ezekiel's some pretty wild stuff, I think a lot of it is honestly just angels and demons, things are outside this dimension that we cannot, we don't know what it is. I think it's a pretty fair. Wait a minute, but Robbie, Ezekiel described his experiences.

Yeah. It's a physical manifestations, like, meaning if, put it this way. Ezekiel saw an in rushing missile hit and described it. What would he describe? Well, I was talking about, like, you know, the first part of Ezekiel or talks about, you know, the spheres inside of a spheres, and they're flying over the ground, like, no, the machines. It sounds like a helicopter.

Yeah, I mean, there's no way, like, for example, talks about, you know, in the end times there's going to be chariots, you know, spouting fire and a great noise. He would not have a had a word for a tank or a Jeep. He's just describing what he's able to, what his mind is. is showing them. Agreed. But does. Yeah.

I mean, who knows? But no, as far as, it's just like the people say, well, especially the Zionists, say, but we got to blow up the dialogues of mosques so the Jews can rebuild their temples. So Jesus can come back. If Jesus needs your help, he's not God. He does not need your help. Right. Agree.

Even a miracle needs a hand. That's the way I always describe it. It's like, we must build this red heifer in Texas and we need to do each in your mind. It's like, okay, dude. No. We can talk about the Gaza Flotilla. The, yeah, so there's some really, so here's the thing. I want to caution here and, you know, be clear.

These are allegations, their accusations. However, last week, security minister Ben Gavir released on his own Twitter feed, a video showing him mocking and abusing and roughing up zip-tied piece. peaceful, by definition, peaceful peace activists who were on the Gaza Flotilla, the IDF landed on their ships on the high seas, international waters, right? So clearly, this is a kidnapping. People are like, oh, well, you know, someone in the comments early on today said, oh, that's an exaggeration. It's not an exaggeration. I mean, you're in international waters. No nation state has any jurisdiction over you whatsoever. And so no one's army has the right to come and grab you and snatch you and take you to their country. Even if they know you're coming to their country, they don't have the right to grab you until you actually arrive, right? So anyway, Ben Govier, like he's making fun of them.

They're pushing them around, including women. A lot of the activists came out and they're now, there's some very well documented, quite a few cases of broken ribs, other broken bones. They were obviously beaten savagely by the IDF. There were allegations of sexual violence, including rape, including rape with a gun. So very serious stuff. The IDF is like, of course, denying everything.

At this point, I mean, I think there's a bunch of things going on here. For me, my first thought was, okay, so obviously there's always a possibility that these activists might have lied. But if that were the case, why would they not have lied a year ago when they did the same thing? And they were also captured, but by their own account, they weren't treated as badly. And then B, at this point, Israel has lied like the day is long about everything that they're doing in the West Bank and Gaza and Lebanon over and over to the point where they have negative credibility. If they tell me that the sun is shining,

I go outside and take a look. You know, I mean, so I'm going to just say, I don't, I mean, this may not be true, but I'm betting it probably is, and I don't believe anything that the Israelis have to say. I believe everything those activists have to say as if it's a flat fact from God himself. Period.

Israel is a country of race. It's like, would you be shocked that the Nazis committed murder. Not really, the Nazis. Same thing. Same thing. There's Zionists animals. They're degenerates. It has nothing to do about it. We have watched them rape a man on camera with 60% of the population saying, we agreed that this should be okay. And with part of the population breaking into the prison to release the rapists who raped the man on camera. That is who we are dealing with. And there's incentive. of the states, so let's be honest, to be abusive when situations continue to present themselves

and they don't have a way out of that situation. So yeah, for January 6th, the U.S. government discrews to January 6th because they wanted to make it clear to the public, don't do this. You will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. So yes, we're going to put you in jail for 30 years because you attack the state. And the state has a monopoly on violence. This is a no-no. This is what Israel was on. Okay, you did. You did it once. That's cute. You did it twice. That's real cute. You did it three times. Okay, now we're going to hurt you in these prison cells. We're going to injure you, etc. You do it a fourth time. There will be rape. There will be broken ribs. We will intimidate. We will mock. We would do these things because it's in the interest of the state to try to create a disincent for people to do it. Yeah, I believe everything that they're saying. What do you think of the tactic of the flotilla? Do you think it's stupid or do you think it's effective? I think it's like the civil rights movements response.

So we will have freedom rights into the South. We will highlight the viciousness of the American state for people who are trying to push for freedom, meaning the broken bones of some level is kind of part of the process. As bad as that sounds. It's sort of like on the petty bridge when you see these Southern sheriffs goons with their dogs. People, yeah.

Or like, you know, or these Hicks, you know, beating up young men in suits and ties who are just trying to order a hamburger at Woolworths. Exactly. That's what they're trying to accomplish. The problem that I think they're running into on this one is African Americans and whites that were working with African Americans. And by the way, many Jews that were working with African Americans was trying to point out the hypocrisy of a state that calls itself freedom, justice, love, and light, who's positioning itself on the world stage as if it's this beacon of justice, while it simultaneously beats the shit out of people wearing suits. right who's just trying to get freedom well Israel is a settler colonial state that started off with a massacre and has continued subjugation and killings over the course of its entire history and lied about it repeatedly and lied about it repeatedly so this is the state that you're talking about a state that just committed a genocide in front of the world stage it's not going to care about how people perceive them beating you and treating

you. They're just not going to cater. That's not meaning, I understand what the flotilla is trying to do, and God bless them for doing so because states aren't doing anything. You're trying to shame and unshamable. Or you're trying to expose them. I mean, in a sense, in that kind of way, you know, Sinwar is kind of true that there's an alliance and an alignment between peaceful protesters and Hamas, in that Hamas's goal on October 7th, was to expose the Israelis as the monsters that Hamas thought that they were. And they thought, well, the whole world doesn't see Israel. They're signing, you know, the Abraham Accords with them.

They don't see them as monsters who are oppressing us in an open-air prison in Gaza. So we're going to, I mean, I've always maintained that the biggest mistake, that the biggest thing that could have fucked over Hamas would have been a kind and gentle response on the part of Israel. If they had literally gone into it, treated it like a police matter, just played up the victimization card, not gone in heavy with a military response, Hamas would be fucked.

But what Hamas wanted was exactly what Israel did. They wanted Israel to expose itself as a monstrous, heinous, colonial, extremely violent, you know, murderous state. and now they have. The whole world sees it. And I don't think Israel, Israel's never coming back from this. If you care about Israel,

you've got to know, like, it's fucked. I mean, they can continue to be as a nation state, but they're going to be so isolated. It's going to make South Africa under a apartheid look like nothing. That is a hell of a strategy.

I thought the same thing, by the way, but Jesus, that is a hell of a strategy. Like, because if you think to yourself, you are effectively saying the only thing I have to leverage in this situation is blood. I don't have the capacity to beat you because you're being supported by superpower as you go through your subjugation. But if I can expose you on a world stage, okay, but what that means is I need you to kill a lot of people so we can point out who you actually are. That's right.

The only thing I have to offer is blood, not even just. mine. Yes, I'm willing to sacrifice mine. But the catch becomes, okay, well, what is the price of freedom? And as I often point out, you know, the price of things is not always appropriated in money. Sometimes it's pain. Yeah, I mean, the population of East Timor was, I think, I think, like, decimated. I think they lost like a quarter of their entire population in, in their independent struggle. Yeah. How much is freedom worth is the question? I mean, I used to have this argument with my, with my father-in-law, who was Taiwanese, independence activist, what will we need to do?

I'm like, honestly, we have to declare independence. The Chinese may invade. They may kill a bunch of you. And if it looks really savage and ugly, you will possibly end up with your independence at the end. Yeah, that's a hell of a... I mean, these are hard truths. These are hard truths.

Yeah, but that's, you know, that's one of our specialties here on Deep Program. Yeah, hard and uncomfortable truths. Because I remember when I pointed that out at the radio station, I was like, they are, they are compromising in the sense of saying, look, we are willing to exchange blood in order to accomplish our objectives. And for the American audience, it's like, whoa, what do you mean? It's like, that's what they're doing. Yeah, we're not even willing to sacrifice a weekday off work for to go in protest. You don't like to pay $4.50 for gas. Yeah, we're soft, man. You're very.

Very soft. Yeah. The priority is bullshit. We have some more comments here. This is a great question. Fantosumus Fanto. If the U.S. never uses the Strait of Burmousse again, what's the impact? And thanks for the donation. I think that's a, I mean, well, first of all, we know that we're, that the world supply of oil is already dropped off a cliff, right? there's basically going to be one billion barrel shortfall within the next month for what the world needs to consume. The prices are already, you know, we're going to start to see the party's over. You know, we're going to start to see very high gas prices. We're going to see securities markets in the United States directly impacted, which they have not been up until now. So if the U.S. and its suppliers can no longer use the Strait of Ormuz, the whole global economy, not just the U.S., is going to be severely impacted. Asian supply lines are going to be brutalized where we buy so much of our shit from Asia. I think we'll be lucky to get out of it with a great recession.

It'll be bad. Yeah. I mean, I got to say, I don't think it's tenable. I don't think it's actually something the U.S. can tolerate. I don't think it can function. I don't think it's like, it's not like it can't be allowed, you know? Which is the point. Which is the point.

Right. Iran is not waging a military campaign against the U.S. Iran is waging an economic campaign against the U.S. Yeah, and that's why they've won. And by the way, anyone who says sort of says, you know, I've been having arguments on social media with Republicans who are like, oh, well, you know, how can you say he lost? I'm like, Donald Trump himself says he lost. Because he was trying to do this over a holiday weekend, if he thought he was going to bring in a great deal, he would be trying to cut a great,

he would be trying to do this out in the light so he could brag about it and put in an application for a Nobel Peace Prize. He knows he's lost. More importantly, if Donald Trump, like what do they think, that Donald Trump is some kind of moral actor in this? He attacked a country and murdered thousands, starting off with murdering a bunch of kids at a school. He also think he's playing for the middle for us, too. If he could do this militarily, he would have. He would have. He tried, right? Like, it's not like, oh, Donald Trump is such a moral man that he's holding off on military, even though he knows the military. This is not Putin sitting in Russia with Oresnix and Sarmatz and all this other stuff that can drop on Ukraine at a moment's

notice, but decides not to. It's not bad. If Trump could do it, he would. What's his issue is that he knows that this is damaging the U.S. economy. And he knows that an attack will make it worse. He has lost. He doesn't have a military option that would accomplish his objectives. All things being equal. Which is why he ought to rip. If I were advising him, I'd say, Mr. President, walk. Rip off the, rip off the band-aid and get it over with. Just accept it. Just walk. Because you're the only going to make it worse. And so that's why we are here.

Meaning that's what we're not attacking them in the moment. That's where we are. Thanks for the dollar. Sorry. What do you all think about Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner, a real dude with real principles or just a big fat phony? I don't know. Grant Platner is.

Oh, so, yeah. So Plattener is getting a lot of national media as like, you know, one of those different kind of. Democrats, T.M. You know, working class. I believe ex-military. You know, like talks like a real salt of the earth, dude. And so like, but also isn't really, he's not very left wing.

But, but I guess he also, he's caught some shit for having a possibly neo-Nazi tattoo, a Tottenkopf tattoo. And he's like, well, you know, I didn't know what it meant when I had. I'm like, I got it done. I'm like, anyway, the point is, I guess I'm like, I do this a lot. I'm in wait and see mode. You know, I'm kind of like, we'll see. You know, we'll see if he gets elected.

We'll see. You know, the national media is enthralled with sort of like, you know, they hate people like Bernie Sanders and AOC and Rocauna. They like, you know, they like their lefties, not that far left, which is why I'm very suspicious. Yeah. I don't have a take on him. I mean, I guess if I had a take, it would just be, I'm getting old and I'm getting cynical. And cynical is not the right word for realists. I'll go with John. When John Helmer pointed out, he was like, no, you're not cynical. You're just a realist. There's no difference. Those are synodems. There is a difference. Yeah. I guess my thing is I've seen this so many times before what these people get. It's like, oh, this guy said, Federman was that guy once. Yeah.

Federman. And I remember talking to Federman. I talked. to that asshole before he had a stroke before he was out of his mind. And he was like acting like a lefty. He was in fact, at a Bernie Sanders rally at Temple University where I met him, I think he had you have a video tape. And he was acting like a lefty and all this other stuff. I think he was. I think his brain is literally broken.

Yeah. I mean, that debate did not do him in your favors. No. To now come up. Thanks for the don't know, maybe blue funk. Guys on the gates of hell bit, did you? see the Pope's new post against AI. Well, it was more just a post. I mean, it's a huge papal encyclical, which means it's a major statement of dogma by the head of the Catholic Church,

where he is making a major statement by the church saying that AI is dangerous and needs to be reined in, which, by the way, people who, like Mark Zuckerberg and, you know, Elon Musk agree with. It's true. All the major developers, all the major tech barons in charge of AI are asking the government for federal regulation of AI, which might seem strange, but if people need that explained, we can do that. It's true.

I mean, like, if I build a robotic system, like, because invariably, it will be used for military purposes, invariably. and the rules that are set up for AI, the governments will ignore. There's that. So meaning, yes, for civilian applications, there may be rules and laws and everything else, for military applications, governments don't care. They're not going to care. You will have robots that will be making kill decisions without a person being added to it.

A thing without a soul killing things with souls. Assuming for the moment that there are no bugs in it, assuming for the moment that there are no glitches in it. And that doesn't even touch like civilian applications. My 2015 Honda Accord has glitches in it. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I mean, A.I. Would a glitch is a terrible, horrifying thing. Added in civilian applications. Like this ability to create images, one faculty of this, the ability to create images of other people alone that look indistinguishable from reality.

will be a sea change in the way that we view news and whether or not what we're looking at is real. That is terrifying to me. Right now where we see stuff online and we don't know. That's only going to get worse. And that's only going to begin coming in this thing. Like meaning, it will be very hard. Like if I come out and say,

there was a false, a Russia bond, Poland, and I show you the video, you may not be able to tell me whether that's true or false. Right, that's right, because it's also, it could be, it could happen. I mean, we'll be looking at WWE world, right? Where nothing you see is real or can be trusted. And so, I don't know, a lot of people will continue to buy in and be like, oh, my God, Rushabund, Poland. But a lot of other people like people like me will have a tendency to just check out and just be like, well, you know, if I don't know what's real, I can't be bothered.

Right, but that's, that's different. different. That's materially different. Like, that's a very hard world to exist. Yeah. Well, we've never lived in that world, right? So we don't know. Yeah, it might be kind of like going back to ancient times where, you know, you see a solar eclipse and you think it's the apocalypse or whatever. It's, Robbie. Well, we've got to remember. I mean, Israel's already using AI to commit a genocide. They use two different AI systems. And to just let you know, just tell sick these bastards are one was called the gospel yeah which is a backhand to every christian on the planet and then the other one's called where's daddy so what whereas daddy would do again using

a i they would track someone who they thought was a hummus operative or whatever wait till he got home and blow up and then blow up the entire building to kill him his family as many innocent of people as they possibly could. That's why my default position is fuck Israel. Yeah, they killed, like they were looking for one guy. And they blew up the entire apartment complex to get up that one guy, killing hundreds of people. And they tune those systems, by the way, like meaning they effectively their thing was,

okay, we have industrial killing that needs to take place. And we don't want to put out operatives to do it because it takes them too long to do it. So let's delegate the AI systems to create models to figure out how we can kill the maximum number of people. Hence, the programs that Robbie is talking about. It would not surprise me at all at that school, they got blew up that girl's school. It would not surprise me at all if Israel's the gospel AI did that

because it was a targeting system. So odds are. It was a U.S. strike. It was a U.S. strike. True. But who gave them the targeting information? Yeah. Well, the U.S.

claimed it was that they got, they had it themselves that it was outdated, right? Yeah. Obviously, it was outdated. I don't know if they're outdated at all. I mean, look, I don't know if that was outdated. They could have done that just to get across the seriousness. I kind of believe it.

And the reason I do is because, you know, as you know, I've been to Afghanistan several times, and sometimes I would look at, like, Google Maps and to see how much progress they had made in Afghanistan, not new, you know, they don't have little cars driving around there the way we do, right? So all the information was always really, old and it was kind of fascinating to see like they'd be like oh that hospital was destroyed 20 years ago

and it's still on google maps right so i think you know they're obviously they don't use google maps they probably partly do but at the you know at the maps at the maps agency and you know at the pentagon but they definitely use analogous systems right and a lot of those systems are old they need to be constantly updated i mean in the same way that you know if you have a old-fashioned GPS in your car. You need to take it out every now and then to update it and to touch it to your computer. Otherwise, it'll just be like, you know, wherever they move to the highway, it's going to be fucked up. Some of that stuff's old. I mean, and that school was part of a government-owned complex that used to be part of a military base years ago, like in 2013. They built a school. I mean,

it's inexcusable. They shouldn't be using old targeting information, old maps, but they do. Israel has gone after ambulances, hospitals. I saw them blow up a cancer facility over and over and over. And this has been in Lebanon. The point that I'm making is the United States has worked with Israel in these attacks. It doesn't shock me if they decide that the first thing they want to do is murder a bunch of kids in order to get across the seriousness of their campaigns. Israel has been doing it all the way through.

when we went after the Ayatollah and the compound and everything else, meaning going after leadership, going after kids, going after sick people, has been part of the modest operandi that Israel and the U.S., because I've considered these two entities, have been doing all the way through. It doesn't shock.

I'm sorry. While that may be true that the information might have been old, it also may be true from my point of view that they went after that school. Well, it's not, I mean, I wouldn't rule it out. We have five minutes left. We have several comments to get to, and two stories. So we should probably do it quickly. So Peter I, thanks for the $5.

I ran as a Tulsi delegate to the 2020 DNC. I lost respect when she came out in the signal chat last April cheering on the attack on Yemen. Also, she was a future leader of the W.E.F. Davos. Yeah, that's not good. All of P.W. Walker. At least we didn't use the dogs this time, so the flotilla terrorists need not complain, IDF spokesman. Okay, two stories. Big election tonight in Texas, or today happening in Texas. Incombin Senator John Cornyn challenged by sleazy former Texas AG, or I guess current AG, Ken Paxton. I checked real clear polling right before we went on at least 10 point, currently, Paxton's 10 points ahead.

And a lot of Texans seem to be like saying, I don't really do. know who to vote for, but Trump's endorsing Paxton. That's good enough for me. So the main effect of this seems to be to really be created, to be building a huge, to pissing off Republican senators in the corporate wing of the GOP. That seems to be the main effect, right, in MAGA world. You mean to choose in Paxton? Well, Trump's endorsement of Paxton. and running under the bus is really pissing off GOP senators. Yeah, Trump wants loyalists. Yeah.

That's what I take out of this. Yeah. How willingness are you, you know, the willingness to kiss ass. It's like, can I really be your ass? I mean, Paxton wins, I say. Yeah. Yeah, Paxon probably wins. I mean, especially if the polling is in a situation.

Like, I don't know where Texas is on this. I know a lot of the Spanages are in Texas and they back Trump. Or at very least they did. Who knows if they still do. Yeah, I mean, it looks like Hispanic support for obvious reasons is softening, but it's not gone. Yeah. All things have been equal, I would say if Trump is backing Pakistan, Paxton is probably going to win this.

Which is fascinating, because Cornyn has been there forever. It is fascinating. P.W. Walker, Israel just said that any drone from Lebanon will result in 10 buildings destroyed in Beirut. you know that's the kind of statement that the Nazis used to make during World War II they would literally issue you can find the posters online on eBay that they used to put up on the walls like if resistance killed any German soldier then the 50 French or whatever Dutch whatever hostages would be executed and if it was a German officer it was 100 it's like it's it's exactly the same tactic

It's really an ideology, Zionism, and Nazis. These two immigrants, well, we have a minute left, Kilmer Garcia, Mahmoud Khalil, judges, the judge basically throughout the Garcia case saying that this was basically a government going after him just maliciously, malicious prosecution, which is very rare. But he still could get deported. And as for Khalil, he now has to put his faith into a six to three Republican majority Supreme Court. Any predictions?

I would now put my faith in a Republican rule of Supreme Court. I mean, like, he doesn't have a choice, obviously. Yeah. On the other hand, it'll be a hell of a message. They're in an awkward position. If they side with the administration, they are, it's going to go down with Dred Scott as being a heinous decision. Yeah, well, it may go down with dredge God as being a heinous decision. It's a six three Republican rule of Supreme Court.

Yeah. That's why I don't have faith in the Supreme Court. I don't think the Supreme Court is impartial. I never thought they were impartial. I always stuck with political actors. Otherwise, why would the President fight so hard in order to get their pick if it was impartial, right? Yeah, and look, how, and anybody who doubts that, that you're right, Jamal,

just ask them, how many times has this, has a Supreme Court justice, ruled in some wildly unpredictable way where you're like hardly ever right I mean anyway with that we are we are no TMI show because I'm on the road today I'll be back at TMI tomorrow with with Robbie's up filling in for Manila you know I will be back imminently but we're not sure on the details there do you program back tomorrow at 9 a.m. Eastern time as we are Monday there joining us and there's the train and I'm going to be on it bye